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SPEEDRevisiting 'Speed': A Deep Dive into 90s Action Cinema
In this engaging podcast episode, hosts explore the iconic 1994 action film 'Speed,' starring Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock, and Dennis Hopper. They offer a detailed analysis of its plot, characters, and thematic elements, including the transformation of Jack from relying on guts to using his brain. The episode features personal anecdotes, comparisons to other blockbuster action films like 'Die Hard' and 'Lethal Weapon,' and reflections on the evolution of action movies. The hosts discuss memorable quotes, significant scenes, and the realistic portrayal of physics in action sequences. Listeners can enjoy a fun trivia segment on notable quotes from other movies, making this episode a thorough and nostalgic look at a staple of 90s cinema.
00:00 Introduction and Initial Thoughts
00:51 Discussing 'Speed' Movie
01:25 Notable Quotables Game
03:32 Movie Trivia and Fun Facts
03:44 Critics vs. Fans: Speed's Reception
05:16 Speed's 90s Vibe and Cultural Context
06:02 Die Hard on a Bus: Speed's Concept
07:01 Dennis Hopper's Villainous Role
08:59 Box Office Success and Fan Reactions
11:00 Analyzing Speed's Writing and Themes
14:59 Character Dynamics and Performances
25:47 Debating Key Plot Points
35:15 Bomb on the Bus: Hitching a Ride
35:24 Character Connections and Performances
36:06 Jack and Annie: The Dynamic Duo
36:38 Philosophies and Character Arcs
38:02 Debating the Hostage Situation
38:47 Fun and Games: Memorable Moments
39:50 False Victories and Midpoint Analysis
43:50 Bad Guys Close In: The Airport Sequence
46:46 Dark Night of the Soul: Lowest Points
49:26 Final Confrontation: Speed on a Train
59:54 Reflections and Recommendations
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Snyder's Genres:
MONSTER IN THE HOUSE - MONSTER, HOUSES, SIN
GOLDEN FLEECE - ROAD, TEAM, PRIZE
OUT OF THE BOTTLE - A WISH, A SPELL, A LESSON
DUDE WITH A PROBLEM - AN INNOCENT HERO, A SUDDEN EVENT, A TEST OF SURVIVAL
RITE OF PASSAGE - A LIFE PROBLEM, THE WRONG WAY TO FIX IT, THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM
BUDDY LOVE - AN INCOMPLETE HERO, A COUNTERPART NEEDED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE WHOLE, A COMPLICATION THAT IS KEEPING THEM APART EVEN THOUGH THAT FORCE IS BINDING THEM TOGETHER
WHYDUNNIT? - A DETECTIVE, A SECRET, A DARK TURN
FOOL TRIUMPHANT - A FOOL, AN ESTABLISHMENT, A TRANSMUTATION
INSTITUTIONALIZED - A GROUP, A CHOICE, A SACRIFICE (JOIN, BURN IT DOWN, COMMIT SUICIDE)
SUPERHERO - A POWER, A NEMESIS, A CURSE
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The Snyder Beats:
OPENING IMAGE
THEME STATED
SETUP
CATALYST
DEBATE
BREAK INTO TWO
B STORY
FUN AND GAMES
MIDPOINT (FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT BUT OPPOSITE OF THE ALL IS LOST)
BAD GUYS CLOSE IN
ALL IS LOST (OPPOSITE OF THE MIDPOINT, FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT)
DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL
BREAK INTO THREE
gathering the team
executing the plan
high tower surprise
dig deep down
execution of the new plan
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[00:00:05] Chris: All of this, I felt like all the exposition was very, very tight. Well done. Does
[:[00:00:14] Sherry: That's like Ricky Bobby, he's covering his base in the same top coat, you
[:[00:00:21] James: Say it loud and proud. Put it in the trailer. It's
[:[00:00:30] Chris: Yeah, I like the, the setup of the movie a lot.
[:[00:00:38] James: That's a, that's an emotional swing for 24, 48 hours.
[:[00:01:04] Phil: I've watched it. It's a it's a good movie For what it is. It's a good movie period but it is a certain type of movie and we'll get into that First we want to do the Sherry had something to say, but then we want to do your notable quotables Yes,
[:[00:01:20] Chris: Okay. Well, yeah, we have something to say about the movie then
[:[00:01:24] Phil: it. Okay. So do you want to do your notable quotables? Yeah. Okay. All [00:01:30] right. Let's let's do notable quotables. We'll get right into this.
[:[00:01:45] Sherry: Okay. This is different. Different. Yeah. This is going to be a little different. I like to mix it up sometimes. Sure. Okay. Can you finish these movie quotes when I start them? Okay. All right. So you're going to tell me who they're, what it's from. [00:02:00] Okay. All right. All right. You ready?
[:[00:02:09] Phil: kicked. Kicked as kicked ass. You kicked his ass. Yes. Ghostbusters. Yes. Thank you. Absolutely. I love this town.
[:[00:02:22] Sherry: Yeah, yeah. You never know what you're gonna get. I was a little unsure about that, but Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. 'cause I think sometimes it's misquoted. [00:02:30]
[:[00:02:31] Sherry: I don't know. I mean, I've heard people, life was
[:[00:02:38] James: Yeah. It's one of those two, but I think, but the quotes life's like a box of chocolates. My mama
[:[00:02:50] Chris: He doesn't even know what he's going to get and he's got his mouth full of chocolate. Yeah.
[:[00:02:58] James: Home? Right. Oh, [00:03:00] okay. From?
[:[00:03:05] Phil: That wasn't that hard.
[:[00:03:07] Phil: didn't immediately click about Wizard of Oz.
[:[00:03:14] Phil: I think about going home all the time. All right. So that was it.
[:[00:03:17] Sherry: hmm.
[:[00:03:22] Phil: I got two new sound effects. That's one of them. Oh. And one of them is going to be when we get to Jurassic Park, because that's I was actually blown [00:03:30] away. Anyway, we'll talk about that when we get to it. All right. So speed, Money Critics fans.
[:[00:04:20] Sherry: What?
[:[00:04:40] Sherry: Yeah, definitely. Maybe they got it backwards.
[:[00:04:44] James: I mean, that's possible, I guess, but No, the people that are wrong.
[:[00:05:00] Phil: It was
[:[00:05:02] Phil: Yes. And, uh, Jurassic Park was 93, right? So
[:[00:05:13] James: Well It's very 90s.
[:[00:05:35] Phil: I, I, it felt very much like a lethal weapon 80s
[:[00:05:39] Phil: to
[:[00:05:41] Phil: Yeah.
[:[00:05:57] James: Yes. Came to Jan DeBont while filming Die [00:06:00] Hard.
[:[00:06:02] Sherry: I call it Die Hard on a bus.
[:[00:06:15] Phil: It got ridiculous, I think. Yes. Very quickly. But this, I think The
[:[00:06:21] Phil: The
[:[00:06:22] Sherry: No, the speed was Oh, because the second one wasn't as good. It was Die hard on a boat.
[:[00:06:33] Sherry: Oh my.
[:[00:06:46] James: his name is John because John and everything, it's Jack, it's Jack, John, Jack, the whole, the
[:[00:06:51] Phil: I'm thinking his name is Jack Travis. And then it credits this Jack tra.
[:[00:06:55] Phil: so the whole time I'm calling him tra Jack Travis, but whatever
[:[00:06:58] Phil: Travis is bad guy from length. Weapon three. [00:07:00] Is
[:[00:07:14] James: I was like, man, this is a lot like OJ. O. J. Simpson Chase happened a week after this movie was released. A week after, okay, yeah. So that whole, the helicopter, news coverage, all over it was released the week before O. J. [00:07:30] did his Bronco Chase. So When, oh gosh, I can't remember his name now. When he says on the bus, you know the police, they're here to help us.
[:[00:07:46] Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[:[00:07:47] Phil: No, there was already that. So it's very dated. Yeah, because he's that Yoko from out of town and so when he says the police are here to help us let
[:[00:07:54] Phil: that's probably not right.
[:[00:08:01] Sherry: by the way, we all
[:[00:08:06] Sherry: the OJ chase we watched live also.
[:[00:08:17] James: Sure. That's funny
[:[00:08:32] James: in this chase. I'll be fine or I'm thinking more of the news broadcast Like it it showed exactly what would happen in that case and life imitates our own You Yeah, that's crazy because 90s in LA it was just nothing but car chases and the TV show cops on Fox Yes, people were infatuated with that stuff.
[:[00:08:55] Sherry: though of cops is in Fort Worth. Oh Yeah.
[:[00:09:26] Phil: 350 million in the 90s, you know, [00:09:30]
[:[00:09:31] Phil: Yeah. So this 76 percent score is, has to be people rating it. Well, after
[:[00:09:46] Phil: Yeah, sure. Now I have, I,
[:[00:09:51] James: Even at speed above 50. God, who goes 50 anymore?
[:[00:09:55] James: Well, yeah, it doesn't resonate. But I
[:[00:10:18] Phil: So they look at it as a dated thing, whereas we're looking at it as sort of, I'm comforted by that kind of feel. And
[:[00:10:28] Phil: Yeah. Well, these days. [00:10:30] Yeah. I didn't think about that. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Culturally. Yeah. All right. His cell phone was a brick.
[:[00:10:37] Sherry: how dare them do that to the Jag too. That's what upset me.
[:[00:10:42] Phil: bought my favorite one. Sure. Sure. He saw this odometer. You said it had what? A hundred miles on it. It wasn't hardly any on that. It was like a hundred miles on the car or something.
[:[00:11:00] Chris: any more thoughts on any of that? Yeah, just, I mean, for me, like, yeah, I mean, it's, sure, it's a 90s action movie, but I think it's, and yeah, obviously you watch it now, it's, 30 years later, it's dated, you know, to a certain degree, but it, to me, why it's so, why it did so successful is it's not just a, another, you know, buddy cop movie, or just an action movie, like, it's clever, I mean, you know, I mean, yes, it's Die Hard on a bus.
[:[00:11:36] Chris: And
[:[00:11:39] Chris: Oh, for sure. He is a
[:[00:11:40] Sherry: And in this, one of those movies, it doesn't matter how many times I watch it, I'm holding my breath on some of the scenes. You know, I think When they're turning the corner, or when they're jumping the I'm like going
[:[00:12:02] Sherry: I love the music with it.
[:[00:12:16] Chris: And I was like, Yeah. Okay. That's a little bit more dated than I remember 'cause I remember loving the, the soundtrack. Oh. I still, I mean, I still, I still like it, but I mean, it, it, it felt more dated to me than you know now.
[:[00:12:30] Phil: Yeah. Billy Idol. Now I was thinking that
[:[00:12:36] James: Yeah. Written by Billy Idol and Steve Stevens.
[:[00:12:43] Sherry: Yeah, but I was thinking that the whole way through, cause I remembered it at the end.
[:[00:12:47] Sherry: but no, let me say this about the, when it comes on, I do not like a movie that takes forever to come on.
[:[00:13:06] Phil: has something, probably has something to do with the screen actors guild and the.
[:[00:13:16] Sherry: you go back and watch like an old,
[:[00:13:19] Sherry: the screen and there's probably contract official credits, you ever go back and watch like an old Disney movie. I mean, old Disney movie, that's what they do.
[:[00:13:29] James: Yeah. Cause all [00:13:30] of them were under contract through Disney as animators and voice actors. Yeah, that was, well, I'm talking about like, that was before the private eyes Yeah.
[:[00:13:40] Sherry: was it? The North Avenue irregulars and stuff like that.
[:[00:13:50] James: Yeah. That the, the guilds really changed that. The writers guilds, they wanted. Production credits displayed,[00:14:00]
[:[00:14:30] Phil: yeah, it's actors were under contract with the studio. I mean,
[:[00:14:35] Sherry: remember reading about Lucy and, you know, she had signed a contract. You know, a deal with one of them.
[:[00:14:49] Sherry: Yeah. But does he have to make so many movies? Yeah, he probably signs a picture deal. Yeah,
[:[00:14:53] James: Yeah. He makes so many movies. They give him so much money. Yeah. And they get credits all around. Yeah.
[:[00:15:14] Phil: Okay. The beats. I don't have a whole lot of notes. I think this is what I call a popcorn movie. This is fun from beginning to end. I don't think, and that's, and it doesn't try to be anything else. I don't think and therefore I think [00:15:30] it really nails what it's trying to be and and remains enjoyable for me Even
[:[00:15:42] Phil: were making the joke that is almost plane trains and automobiles, you know, yeah, they hit a plane They're on
[:[00:15:53] James: He did everything, but get on top of it. He left that for the subway train train. He got on top of that.
[:[00:16:11] James: can go
[:[00:16:12] Phil: Yeah, which is a unique challenge because you know, John McClane had a whole building
[:[00:16:18] Phil: this guy's got 80 feet of bus And it's moving and it's moving and
[:[00:16:24] Phil: right? And so I thought that the concept was very unique and the execution was [00:16:30] really well done Yeah, you know, uh, I can imagine them sitting around a room as they're thinking.
[:[00:16:49] Phil: Didn't he do like walking dead and stuff and some other
[:[00:16:52] Phil: and justified. Yeah. Okay. See,
[:[00:17:02] Chris: You love this guy. A granted justified is definitely more thematic than speed. Well, sure,
[:[00:17:24] Phil: Yeah. Yeah, alright. You know.
[:[00:17:47] James: Oh, really Jeff Daniels was like, no, no, no So broke an arrow Is what came out of that, is because now it's Oh yeah, cause he's the good guy turning bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the good guy turning bad. Okay, alright. So that's where [00:18:00] Broken Arrow came from, is supposed to be speed. Oh. At least that character. I didn't know that.
[:[00:18:04] Chris: far as the, yeah, yeah, the good guy turning bad. Dennis
[:[00:18:19] Phil: oh yeah, I see what you're saying. No, yeah, that, that would not, that's a, that's.
[:[00:18:32] Chris: Well, cause like, you know, their little pop quiz thing they do, you know, ease the tension or whatever. Like, you know, shoot the hostage, take her out of the equation.
[:[00:18:49] Phil: Right. Yeah,
[:[00:18:55] Chris: I like Jeff Daniels
[:[00:19:01] Chris: Sure Yeah, speaking of that say since that found it humorous that he's hairy in both movies and speed and in Dumb and Dumber. Oh, I did not know that.
[:[00:19:11] James: Maybe he survived the house blast. Yeah, and he's a little slow. Yeah, he's a little weird and has amnesia. I like it. There you go. All he knew was his name was Harry.
[:[00:19:26] James: fiction. Speed fan fiction. Yeah, yeah. Harry is a [00:19:30]
[:[00:19:46] Phil: I wonder if his name is Harry too, we could make that a trilogy, the Harry trilogy or something, I don't know.
[:[00:20:01] Chris: Yeah, his name is not, you know, it's gonna be a tough guy name.
[:[00:20:04] James: They called him Jack. Yes, so we could be, that is true. John Traven.
[:[00:20:17] James: know the genre and
[:[00:20:19] James: are hitting every, it's speed and die or I'm sorry. It's, uh, point break and die hard.
[:[00:20:33] Phil: I, I just, because it's LA and it's Keanu Reeves. Yeah. Well, he's chewing gum the whole time. He's doing that opening, you know?
[:[00:20:41] Phil: Anyway, so opening image. I have, you know, obviously this rescue the hostage thing, right? Chewing gum. Yeah. Yeah. Chewing gum. I have Dennis Hopper. I wrote down Stone Cold Killer.
[:[00:21:09] Phil: So there's all this banter. Between Keanu Reeves, you know, Jack and Harry.
[:[00:21:27] James: Badass. They're in the middle of [00:21:30] their Awesomeness. Yes. Yeah.
[:[00:21:33] Chris: Yeah. That's where maybe the lethal weapon thing, cause Harry's the older, you know, like he's the one that's been saying, I'm too old for this shit or calm, calm down Jack. Well, he
[:[00:21:45] Chris: no, why am I doing this again?
[:[00:21:51] James: Which they were alluding to the gold watch. Yeah. Set up very well.
[:[00:22:03] Phil: Shoot the hostage and gut feeling. So, a lot of what Jack is going to do is based on his gut, you know, he's, he's got, because they're told to wait and they don't wait. They, they think that they've saved the hostage and that's the end, but he's got a gut feeling about, Yeah, this feels wrong, blah, blah, blah.
[:[00:22:19] James: a visual representation of the gum to show his gut feeling, like to show him chewing and thinking in his stomach. That's a layer I didn't like. Yeah, it's a gut [00:22:30] feeling thing. I didn't come up with that on my own. I read that.
[:[00:22:36] James: where credit's due, internet helps.
[:[00:22:38] Phil: way. I did not know that. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
[:[00:22:53] Chris: Yes. And there's a lot of references, especially with Hopper, saying don't, don't attempt to grow a brain. Like there's, it's all this guts versus brain. [00:23:00] Yes. And then even when, you know, spoiler alert, when Harry dies, we both know he was the brains of your operation or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's Keanu having to figure it out without his.
[:[00:23:16] Phil: Yeah, and it's, I mean, because later he figures out the wildcat thing. Arizona wildcats. Right. Right. So you can see him sort of picking up the gauntlet of Harry, I guess.
[:[00:23:48] Chris: Yeah, to me also like, like the, they set it up to, their job is to save people, to rescue people right from terrorists. And so even his, in his solution, even in this, you know, The pop quiz thing or whatever, right? Yeah. [00:24:00] Shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation, right? Right. So in a way, it's sacrifice the hostage, take them out of the equation, and then he's put in a situation where he cannot remove the hostages from the situation.
[:[00:24:22] Phil: yeah. No, this, yeah, he's, he's very much.
[:[00:24:26] Chris: remove the husk of the situation. I thought that was kind of cool.
[:[00:24:41] Phil: Um.
[:[00:24:44] Phil: You know. Don't get dead. Yes. Now, as it, as it works out, Guts gets him through this and his luck does hold out. But to be successful, I think he's going to have to learn that lesson and maybe has, you know, that, that you can just [00:25:00] plow right on ahead, but that's going to run out at some point.
[:[00:25:21] Phil: And I think, I think both these movies are very strong examples of their genre. Obviously, Jurassic is going to be probably a monster in the house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And [00:25:30] so these are very, there's no, wavering on what genre this is, you know? Yeah, even though it's his
[:[00:25:38] Chris: Yeah.
[:[00:25:57] Phil: Yeah, pop.
[:[00:26:01] Phil: now the rock has been thrown into his pool again,
[:[00:26:17] Chris: A sudden event that thrusts our innocence into the world of hurt is definite and comes without warning. And then a life or death battle is at stake and the continued existence. Existence of an individual family group or society is in question.
[:[00:26:32] Phil: You think if you pick up all the
[:[00:26:44] Phil: he, when he's, when he's got Harry hostage and he's got the dead man switch, you know, Harry gets shot, whatever.
[:[00:26:58] James: It reminded me of the Joker in the [00:27:00] Dark Knight. Yeah, he goes to kick the door of the hand. He holds the grenades Yeah,
[:[00:27:06] Chris: like like like Dennis opera He said just blow his hair just like just do it. Just really we got
[:[00:27:18] James: Dennis Hopper is in that heavy hitter category. Oh yeah. And I think had that character been played by anybody else, it wouldn't have been as menacing. No, he did really, really well.
[:[00:27:37] Phil: And what's his name? I was in 24. Well, Kiefer Sutherland. Kiefer Sutherland, a young Kiefer Sutherland and Dennis Hopper. There's a movie called flashback. Dennis Hopper is an old hippie from the sixties. And Kiefer Sutherland plays a straight laced FBI agent who has to transport Dennis Hopper who committed some kind of crime back in the 60s and was never arrested.
[:[00:28:09] Sherry: Dennis Hopper was on Petticoat Junction. Okay, whatever.
[:[00:28:14] Phil: Alright, Catalyst is the bus blowing up in a phone call. Debate. I don't have a debate. Like, he gets in the car and he chases him. Was there any equivocation about
[:[00:28:24] Phil: the second act?
[:[00:28:30] Chris: I thought about that. I really did. Cause yeah, cause I mean, cause you're right.
[:[00:28:46] Chris: I mean, broken two at that point. Right. And it's all just fun and games, him getting on the bus is fun and games. And I guess that's ultimately where I think I landed. I think I do. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think he. Cause he's just trying to, kind of like John in Die Hard, whenever we talk about, you know, pulling [00:29:00] the fire alarm and like, he's just trying to get the bus to not get up to 50.
[:[00:29:10] Phil: everything's great. Everything's fine. And that's what he tries to do. Yeah. So that, that is actually so, so on the surface you can say, oh, this is just a, an 80s popcorn movie, but the writing is solid because that's what you exactly want to do.
[:[00:29:41] Phil: Now, if there's no beans in the world, And I want coffee. Maybe I eventually have to plant a tree, but nobody Right. Will plant a tree to grow beans if they want a cup of coffee in the morning.
[:[00:29:58] Chris: You know what I mean? That's right. Right. Yeah. The [00:30:00] shitty version of this and,
[:[00:30:02] Chris: stop version Yeah.
[:[00:30:06] Chris: Yeah.
[:[00:30:21] Phil: You know, uh, so I think that that was done pretty well because he, he takes steps before he has to do, and that's, that [00:30:30] shows, I mean, Graham Yost does obviously know Slouch is a writer, so.
[:[00:30:39] Chris: to yell at him, stop, and he gets out on the bus.
[:[00:30:44] James: he steals a car. Yeah. Yeah. And then he jumps on the bus.
[:[00:30:54] Chris: Yeah, no, that's right.
[:[00:30:59] Phil: see [00:31:00] the light click on
[:[00:31:01] Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And then once the guy gets the note, the driver starts slowing down. Right? Yeah. So
[:[00:31:06] Chris: Yeah. And it's five degree. So once he gets on the bus, then the, the one guy on there.
[:[00:31:20] Phil: that's complications. other
[:[00:31:23] Chris: Right. Yes, it's escalation and it's all by degree.
[:[00:31:28] Chris: the driver so that we can get our B story [00:31:30] character in there behind the wheel. It's good stuff.
[:[00:31:41] Chris: point,
[:[00:31:44] Chris: right.
[:[00:31:53] James: Yeah. Those all looked like fun and games to me. Cause it, it was hard for me to beat it. It [00:32:00] was hard for me to do all the beats to it. So it was like fun and games. Okay. This is fun and games again.
[:[00:32:05] Chris: think it's much of a debate. It's
[:[00:32:18] Sherry: Well, yeah. Well,
[:[00:32:21] Chris: yeah.
[:[00:32:32] James: speaking
[:[00:32:34] James: right? I remember as soon as the lines came across.
[:[00:32:51] Chris: Yes, I watched Slow, no, he was early, he still had three minutes, why does he do that?
[:[00:33:00] Phil: all these, very much quips. Very quotables, yeah. Yeah, right. Was it good for you? Yeah. Right. There's even later on a line, a pretty big wad when the guy's on the phone. Yeah. Anyway, it's a wad. Pretty big, pretty big wad.
[:[00:33:28] Chris: Or, no, no, no, no. I [00:33:30] don't think about it. To James's point.
[:[00:33:47] Chris: Like, I couldn't stop it, so now I have to I can't take the hostages out of the situation, so I gotta get on the bus. Because he's resisting the call, I guess. Yeah, kind of resisting the call, and then jumps in. As far as you're going through doorways, getting on [00:34:00] the bus could be the break in, too. You know what I mean?
[:[00:34:02] Phil: resisting the call, which is a sense of debating. Alright, you're gonna get what he wants. You get what he wants. Yeah, that's true. I didn't think about that. Cause he doesn't want this to happen. He's trying to stop it before it ever gets started. All right, good enough.
[:[00:34:17] James: It's the doorway. Yeah. I like that very much.
[:[00:34:21] James: He jumps across the threshold.
[:[00:34:36] Chris: I got gum on my seat. I got gum. Gum! It's like,
[:[00:34:38] Chris: my God, look! I don't know why I said she loves her delivery of that. Like, she remembers that. She said it with, she shows it in his face too. Like, she puts it on her thumb. I got gum. Gum!
[:[00:34:51] James: I
[:[00:34:53] James: Gum.
[:[00:34:58] Sherry: Yeah.
[:[00:35:01] Phil: Right. Now, now. Oh. This is some setup, but it's also fun and game because he's chasing down the bus, which we talked about various ways, and then Sam and Annie, you know, the driver and Annie obviously know each other and give each other shit.
[:[00:35:22] Chris: Yes. Setting up that, yeah. Yeah, because she goes and sits down next to that nervous lady or whatever. I don't remember, I don't know the lady's name, but she [00:35:30] did very well. Did, you know, played the part very well.
[:[00:35:40] Phil: the daytime hooker, did she? No, I wasn't Patty. Okay,
[:[00:35:54] James: Really? I saw her face, I was like, Ooh, that's her. And the yokel is Alan Ruck, [00:36:00] which is, you know, Cameron
[:[00:36:19] Phil: I don't know if she's, I mean, she obviously becomes a love interest, which typically is what the B story. Yeah. So I don't know if she qualifies as a, cause I don't know what, well, I don't know what change he actually goes through [00:36:30] or if anybody does change, except maybe he does change a little from just guts to be more like Harry.
[:[00:36:39] Chris: Yeah, because he knows guts. So, you know, he starts to realize guts only get him so far and then it gets you killed Yeah, it gets you killed So he has to use more of his brain and then to me I feel like there and I can't I couldn't pinpoint it down To like, you know, I guess how to say it But there's to me there's got to be something in there about take the hostage out of the equation, right?
[:[00:37:09] Phil: mean Yeah. Yeah. No, that's yeah. Yeah. Cause cause I can't figure out how to say his philosophy up to that point was The hostage.
[:[00:37:25] Phil: they're just a commodity to be removed
[:[00:37:31] Chris: Yeah, that's good, that's good. I don't have a key, sits down in this very tender moment on the, the train that's, you know, they're probably gonna, they think they're both gonna die.
[:[00:37:44] Phil: Cause, cause guts is all just bravado and you know, you just blast it in and shoot the hostage and charge ahead to, to a more thoughtful approach.
[:[00:38:13] Phil: At this point, we don't know about the camera. I don't know how, but he'll see. Right. Yeah. Uh, baby not on board. Like anything. It was cans. It was cans. I could
[:[00:38:30] James: What? Did she just say not again? She said she got her license taken for speeding. She didn't say not again. She's just said, oh no. But I was like, I could have swore. She said not again. Yeah.
[:[00:38:47] Phil: Homicide oh My god, so these are sort of the major fun and games pick a side I said you wouldn't
[:[00:38:56] Chris: I'm getting
[:[00:39:01] Chris: Okay, still ask the governor's phone
[:[00:39:02] Chris: he just tore his car
[:[00:39:13] Chris: see a part of that, that was, uh, the pretty big one is good.
[:[00:39:23] Sherry: No, I said it before he did. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember that. Yeah. She's seen this movie a lot have. I've seen it a lot. I like it.
[:[00:39:39] Chris: Yeah.
[:[00:39:40] Chris: It's okay.
[:[00:39:58] Phil: I said possible false victory at [00:40:00] 54 minutes. They get on an empty 105 freeway after and getting, and they get Sam, the driver off leading into the bad guys close in. But then later, I think I also had a second midpoint false victory. So I wasn't sure because, because it is some kind of victory that they're on the 105 and it's calm.
[:[00:40:36] Phil: What do you mean? Floor it. You know, so this whole big bus jump. But, right after that I said possible midpoint false victory jumping the gap. So I didn't know, and it'd be interesting to see where you guys have it. Do you think it's getting on the 105? Do you think it's making the jump, or do you have something else as a
[:[00:40:56] Chris: Okay. False victory. All right.
[:[00:41:00] Phil: Okay. All right. Then that's what we'll go with because I was, they both felt very much like that, but that's good.
[:[00:41:12] Phil: and, and really jumping the gap is a fun and game too.
[:[00:41:18] James: that out of, out of all the things to seem realistic or whatever, to seem fantastical, the jump is the most fantastical of all the fun and games.
[:[00:41:48] Phil: knows
[:[00:41:49] Phil: a bus is going to go boom.
[:[00:41:55] Chris: Yeah. And
[:[00:41:59] Chris: when they, they're all [00:42:00] elated. I was elated
[:[00:42:03] Phil: They've
[:[00:42:07] Phil: Right, so at that point you're just popping your popcorn and like, yeah.
[:[00:42:20] Chris: And there's Mackey's like. It's finished, it's finished on the fuck, god damn map, and you're fired. Everybody's fucking fired. Like, that does suck. Like, they got him on that fucking freeway, that was his idea, and [00:42:30] they realized, oh shit, it's not fucking finished. I just doomed all these fucking people.
[:[00:42:34] Phil: Yeah, cause they have to stop and watch him go off. Like, okay, we're gonna stay here, but we're gonna watch our We're gonna watch him, boop, right off the
[:[00:42:45] Chris: see brake lights, you know. I like James's. He peels the top of the bus back, takes everybody's heads off.
[:[00:43:09] Chris: The one guy's in there, They usually fall down now.
[:[00:43:27] James: It's like, Hey, we have a suspect in the fucking freight [00:43:30] elevators. We need somebody over here. No, we'll just take them down by ourselves.
[:[00:43:37] James: Yeah. But the radio. Click. Hey, everybody come up to this floor. We're about, here's what's going on.
[:[00:43:49] Phil: Sure. All right. So if we're calling the jump, the false victory heading to the airport, bad guys close in because the pain calls right after
[:[00:44:03] Chris: Yeah. He calls and wants us. Yes. A million dollars. Yeah. My money money to me, which I will collect.
[:[00:44:15] Chris: Yeah
[:[00:44:21] Chris: Yeah, he gets off the bus and then yeah, cuz he commences pain to let him off Yeah And goes into the yeah
[:[00:44:32] Phil: And maybe there's ten minutes of gas left. So I wrote that down as a false defeat. So I was very
[:[00:44:47] Phil: screwdriver in the gas tank, which does not help and he can't defuse the bomb, but that also works as a bad guys clues.
[:[00:44:57] James: Yeah. But that I was thinking, how can they not have a fuel [00:45:00] truck in an airport? Like, ready to go.
[:[00:45:03] Chris: Yeah, well. He asked for one, he's like, it'll, you know, I can get it there in 10 minutes, that's not, not enough time, or whatever, yeah.
[:[00:45:08] James: an airfield. Well,
[:[00:45:10] Phil: It's a different kind of fuel, yeah. Well, cause, like, like, fighter jets take JP 5, which is, you're not gonna put that in a car, okay? Maybe they did have it in the bus, and that's how it makes that jump.
[:[00:45:25] Phil: Well, they would certainly have vehicles on the airport that they would, because vehicles on an airport, [00:45:30] they're not gonna run into town to get gas all the time. Exactly. Right, right,
[:[00:45:38] James: That didn't make sense for me.
[:[00:45:50] Chris: do the passengers, though.
[:[00:45:53] Chris: in
[:[00:45:59] Chris: [00:46:00] No, yeah, right. That's true. No, yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Just from a story standpoint, right, they got to the airport, so now all they have to do is circle. There's no traffic. Right, you think you're good. It's safe. Well, then let's puncture the fucking gas tank. Now you're running out of gas.
[:[00:46:11] Phil: you can't let the pressure up, you know, as a writer. Throw down
[:[00:46:22] Chris: and then you give an original truck. Let me work on it or whatever, right?
[:[00:46:28] Phil: That's good writing because you [00:46:30] address the issue and then you say why you can't do it. Yeah,
[:[00:46:32] Phil: tighten the screw. As opposed to just leaving it Because if they didn't As an audience member, you're sitting there. Well, why didn't they just get a fuel truck?
[:[00:46:39] Chris: asked for it. Yeah. Now
[:[00:46:50] Sherry: Yeah. Oh yeah.
[:[00:46:55] Phil: I confused myself then. Yeah. The all's lost. It's not the midpoint. All's lost has to be [00:47:00] opposite of the midpoint. I have a false defeat. Broken chassis, punctured fuel tank, all that. So that's a false defeat. Cause these things are now, have happened. And it seems like they couldn't defuse the bomb, the gas is running out.
[:[00:47:30] Phil: So he's been watching it on their closed circuit TV. Yeah. So this is the lowest point in the movie as I'm saying, you know, especially with Harry, Harry dying.
[:[00:47:45] Chris: Like, this is the first time he's negative and says that, and yeah, and he wigs out and gets, you know, gets all mad. He breaks the phone after talking to, you know, we both know he was a brain injured operation or whatever. Yeah, like he's, that's the first time he's showing signs of, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[:[00:48:05] Phil: Yes, and I wrote down planes, buses, and automobiles, because at this point, you know. Now, again, a little squishy on the break into three for me, because I really didn't have, it doesn't seem, I don't know where the break into three necessarily occurs.
[:[00:48:27] Sherry: They,
[:[00:48:37] Chris: Where did Mine was earlier.
[:[00:48:56] Chris: So the whole looping thing is Jack's idea. Oh, okay. We just never [00:49:00] see the conversation with Mac about, Hey, here's what I want do. So that's his, to me, that's his breaking three. Okay. All right. Alright. It's now using brains, not guts to outsmart the bad guy. Yeah. That that works. And unloading the passengers, all that shit.
[:[00:49:26] Chris: They were gonna yeah No, no, let's do the handoff and let's arrest him and this will be [00:49:30] super easy But then he figured out the loop he takes Annie and then yeah Then we have the whole now speed on a train thing.
[:[00:49:48] Phil: I didn't feel strong about that. And then storming the castle. I didn't really have a strong feeling about that. Staking out the area again. So all that seemed very. Weak to me as far as I was pegging it. So I didn't feel confident [00:50:00] about that.
[:[00:50:04] Chris: And then he, he turns the tables on them, right? Cause I think doing the handoff thing, right. Cause he doesn't know the bus blew up in their mind. I think it's gonna be super easy. Let's go nail this guy. And then. Jack figures out that the money's moving. The guy's like, why, why turn it on? It's not moving.
[:[00:50:30] Phil: Yes. I had my high tower surprises. The bad guy gets the money and Annie, there was a hole in the can, but.
[:[00:50:37] Chris: kind of the same. It's just him figuring it out and still being one step ahead of him. Yeah.
[:[00:50:46] James: him looking at the snipers and
[:[00:50:48] James: you know, that was my thought on the surprise was it being Annie when she turned around and had the bottom like, yeah, cause he doesn't think it's Annie.
[:[00:50:55] Phil: says, freeze, asshole, or whatever. Yeah. Pop quiz. You got an air trigger. Yeah. Point at
[:[00:50:58] James: head. What do you do? Yeah. And then it's her. [00:51:00] Yeah. So that was just the, for me, but yeah, the whole buildup and the switcheroo's and all that. Well
[:[00:51:07] James: you know.
[:[00:51:13] Chris: like that was the only time I was, I guess, taken out of the movie. I'm like, she's sitting there in the ambulance. Why didn't they just, she shouldn't have been anywhere near the fucking Who is this, what?
[:[00:51:33] Chris: Yes. Or pain, which again names. But see, I, I didn't even think about that till just now, so I guess I was, well I've seen it 137 times and Yeah. Yeah. Think about it. Breaking down the beats is the first time it occurred to me that Yeah. I
[:[00:51:51] Phil: But I think it is mine was squishy. I like yours better. Anyway,
[:[00:52:09] Chris: But I didn't yeah, I didn't either but yeah, not this time
[:[00:52:30] Phil: Was it Annie, or was it that the train couldn't be stopped and he had the new plan of speed up the train, so.
[:[00:52:46] Chris: But again, he has to use brains to defeat him. Yes. Because they set up the, the lights or whatever almost hitting him. And then he sees it coming and holds him up or whatever and, and even the, you know, I'm smarter than you.
[:[00:52:57] Chris: it's interesting
[:[00:53:05] Phil: Yeah.
[:[00:53:06] Phil: Bust that pole down, jerk it, pull it, whatever.
[:[00:53:09] Phil: And when that doesn't work, he has to use his brain. So, it's almost like he's trying to revert back. Yeah. And then has to realize, okay, no, I, you know, brains this time or whatever.
[:[00:53:32] James: A., how that didn't rip them apart, you know, head, shoulders, arms, legs, all just hanging about in a subway car. Yeah,
[:[00:53:41] Chris: to a sudden, uh, acceleration. Well, I remember watching it like when the train starts to break apart, like you see clearly part of it get broken up and completely obliterate.
[:[00:53:52] Phil: No, no.
[:[00:53:58] Phil: the train derails first [00:54:00] which Okay, so if you want to be helpful to the movie the plane the train derails first, which is gonna Significantly, almost like a plane landing.
[:[00:54:17] James: I don't know, man.
[:[00:54:24] James: does not apply. Yeah. And we, we learned that in the jump physics don't apply. You are here for a good [00:54:30] time.
[:[00:54:36] Chris: are. And the movie is Speed, so Speed solves all of it, right? Right. Gets him to the jump, gets him to the train crash. Well, and then I'm gonna
[:[00:54:43] Chris: it up.
[:[00:54:56] James: Yeah, like hot fuzz, just nothing but paperwork.
[:[00:55:01] Phil: to Rowling, you're seeing Jack there at the desk.
[:[00:55:10] James: like, the L.
[:[00:55:17] Chris: Go on vacation. It'd be really funny if they had Jack sitting next to Martin Riggs, both filling out paperwork. Yeah. Yeah. You take, huh? You ask each other, you this woman. I've never thought about one of these. I know I've done it.
[:[00:55:29] Sherry: did [00:55:30] occur to me when he shot, what is his name? Harry? Mm-Hmm. . I'm like, if he really had shot him, he would've been off the job for a while.
[:[00:55:48] Chris: Well, no, it's very strange
[:[00:56:03] James: Yeah.
[:[00:56:04] Chris: guy calls on the phone and he forgets. Oh, for sure.
[:[00:56:23] Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you shut the leg. Yeah, that's gonna take a long time Okay. Yeah, there's no
[:[00:56:27] Chris: Yes,
[:[00:56:38] Phil: around. The bad guy is not going to create this scenario with the bus in one night either.
[:[00:56:43] Chris: pissed off, it took some time, that would have been helpful. Six months, a year later, something. Yeah.
[:[00:56:48] Chris: yes.
[:[00:57:00] Phil: Because he's kissing the hostage as opposed to shooting him, so maybe that's his growth in the situation
[:[00:57:09] James: It reminded me of the ending of 5th Element. Just, okay. It's kissing time now. The movie Credits Roll. Kissing time.
[:[00:57:24] Phil: Oh yeah. No, no, no. Absolutely. Yeah.
[:[00:57:29] Phil: as soon as you said it. I [00:57:30]
[:[00:57:33] James: My 9-year-old stepdaughter. I put it on. I'm like, Hey, this is a great movie. We did it for the podcast. She sat and watched it. And then when I woke up this morning, they were watching it again. Your daughter? Stepdaughter. She's nine. I was like, oh my god. So I was like, the song at the end is amazing. That's what I have in my head.
[:[00:57:51] Sherry: don't remember the movie nor the song. Right. Auto wash, you know, auto wash . Bruce will, I mean, I, I know [00:58:00] what you're talking about, but I don't remember.
[:[00:58:03] Sherry: I know, but I don't
[:[00:58:07] James: that mean we need to do a re-review?
[:[00:58:09] Chris: Re-review? No. She go back and listen for something I was gonna say earlier and I just forgot, like lathe has seen this movie. And he didn't watch it with me this time. I tried to get him to, but he was, you know, busy or whatever. But he came in, you know, different times as I was watching it, and he saw the, the yokel, saw Alan Ruck or whatever, and he immediately recognized him as Cameron.
[:[00:58:45] Chris: I don't know why you would put yourself on there and get blown up, but Kaiser Soze kind of thing. Yeah, right, right. I just, I That's interesting. Yeah, he said that and I was like, what the hell?
[:[00:58:54] Chris: yeah,
[:[00:58:59] Phil: We do. That's a [00:59:00] great movie. I haven't seen it in a
[:[00:59:04] Chris: have like the extra features. I probably don't have it on DVD anymore. Man,
[:[00:59:16] James: And in the clip that plays in the menu screen, it's the foot changing. I'm like, Oh,
[:[00:59:37] Chris: Reveals the yeah, I'm like well, that's I know I own this but what about people that you don't want to show it to that Haven't seen it. It's like that's
[:[00:59:45] Chris: That's a big one. Yes Yeah, that's you put anything else up there and said you put that yeah move Anyw Who? Yeah. Yeah. That's a bummer.
[:[00:59:54] Phil: Alright, so that's speed.
[:[01:00:05] Chris: Oh. Saw it in the theater when it came
[:[01:00:08] Chris: I watched it a thousand times on VHS. Huh?
[:[01:00:15] Sherry: We really could have. 'cause I remember, I don't know, I just remember it being. Really exciting because
[:[01:00:25] Chris: because because Sherry was wondering if we saw Jurassic Park.
[:[01:00:29] James: that [01:00:30] was about the same time frame 93. That was the year before so it's possible
[:[01:00:36] James: of it, but it's possible This could be one that we all saw in the theater about the same time. Yeah Yeah, I can't think of any other movie that we, we were
[:[01:00:46] Chris: Oh yeah. Many, many. I was surprised.
[:[01:00:47] Chris: own it, honestly. Yeah. Like I thought I had it. Yeah. To me, I think it's, it is one of those movies where I owned it on V-H-S-D-V-D, blue, you know, blue Ray. Like all the, all the steps. Yeah. Wow.
[:[01:01:04] James: Released. Yeah.
[:[01:01:20] James: cause this was after point break, which was amazing lethal weapon, which was a diehard, like all these awesome weapons have been made at
[:[01:01:27] James: Yeah.
[:[01:01:28] James: two diehards. Yeah. [01:01:30] So we were, yeah. Yeah. In the theater. Awesome.
[:[01:01:39] Sherry: you know,
[:[01:01:40] Chris: I mean, I think we've said before like I think we you know, mommy which was 99 like they don't make Movies like this anymore.
[:[01:01:47] Sherry: you know,
[:[01:01:59] Phil: [01:02:00] These are blue collar heroes, and I don't know that we have that many blue collar heroes Which I guess like that.
[:[01:02:17] James: well, I think I think doing what we're doing and highlighting the fact like you were saying with diehard in this movie Where the character doesn't go directly to jumping off a helicopter and the thing we [01:02:30] highlight those things Hopefully other people learn from that.
[:[01:02:38] Phil: And I mean, I know Superhero movies are very popular. Maybe they still are I don't know But I've never appealed it never appealed to me because of that like I've always said how brave are you if you're bulletproof really?
[:[01:02:51] Phil: you know what? You know, okay, you're bulletproof Superman and you could fly And you got heat ray, you know, you don't even have to be brave.
[:[01:02:59] Phil: you know [01:03:00] Anyway, whereas a blue collar guy like jack or you know, lethal weapon guys, whatever,
[:[01:03:24] Chris: Right, then you're, yeah, how brave are you? I
[:[01:03:39] James: And so, take
[:[01:03:42] Phil: And go. This is why we edit. Alright, pass, consider, recommend.
[:[01:04:16] Chris: Yeah, very much. We don't get movies anymore because it just, it just changed the game. Yeah.
[:[01:04:35] Chris: Yes. And that's 100 percent like the creation of that, like bettered movies, but then people started to abuse it and go the cheap way out.
[:[01:04:48] James: he did, he did. Right. Well, I was thinking that when the bus explodes into the plane, I was like, ah, good old fashioned explosion,
[:[01:04:56] Chris: Yeah, there was, yes,
[:[01:05:03] Phil: effects. I mean, you know,
[:[01:05:08] Chris: y'all were making fun of us saying planes, trains, and, but, You don't have a shark, right?
[:[01:05:17] Phil: Chekhov's gun. If you introduce a gun in the first act, you gotta have it go off in the third act, right? Right. You know. And I will say this, I am,
[:[01:05:25] Sherry: Yes, it was good. You see that, okay, that's true. There really was a [01:05:30] bomb. They weren't lying. Right. But the look on the faces of the people who were on the bus, I thought about
[:[01:05:37] Sherry: that could have been
[:[01:05:40] Chris: Well, if you see the explosion on the glass, Yeah, it
[:[01:05:47] Sherry: Yeah, that's good. And they were like, Wow.
[:[01:05:56] Chris: So, cause you can't have the bus. Hey, we saved 12. We killed 500. That's [01:06:00] what I was thinking. They jump off and they're like,
[:[01:06:13] Sherry: Well, that was my thought when they were getting off of the highway, they, I was like, how many cars are you going to hit?
[:[01:06:33] Chris: It's a record. You really, you really rigged that up.
[:[01:06:42] James: like, damn, Harry got it. Lucky all this paperwork. Awesome. James. Yeah. Oh, I would recommend this one mostly because it's childhood favorite, the whole thing. I don't know if I [01:07:00] was. A different person.
[:[01:07:08] Sherry: Oh man. You want to ride a wild ride?
[:[01:07:12] Sherry: Yeah.
[:[01:07:16] Sherry: Yeah. And I could watch it again right now. I mean, it's one of those movies that you're gonna hold your breath and, and just like, you know, it kind of makes your heart skip a beat, but [01:07:30] no, I like it.
[:[01:07:56] Phil: Maybe, maybe that's why some of the tomato scores over the [01:08:00] course of its life have dipped down. But for people from that time, and if you want to just a blazing popcorn action movie, this will deliver.
[:[01:08:19] Chris: I do too. I think you'll be hard pressed to Not get engaged in the story and and like Siri said hold your breath and be on the ride with them Yes, if you're if you allow yourself to I think yeah, [01:08:30] check out enough to Absolutely, and I think after the movie, you know, the dialogue is everybody's Age of it.
[:[01:08:36] Phil: the dialogue is every bit as fun as some of that set pieces, you know, you got there for sure there
[:[01:08:54] James: Awesome. Little bits.
[:[01:09:14] Phil: But, but I love eating a box of doughnuts, man. You know? Yeah.
[:[01:09:28] James: And I think had that character [01:09:30] been played by anybody else, it wouldn't have been as menacing.
[:[01:09:38] Phil: whatever, alright.
[:[01:09:44] James: I'll
[:[01:09:48] James: She played a crack whore in Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
[:[01:09:56] James: So the physics does not apply. Yeah. And we, we learned that in the jump. [01:10:00] Yeah, right. Physics don't apply.
