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Episode 3816th January 2025 • Egg Meets Sperm • Dr. Aumatma
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I couldn’t be more excited to join Jennifer Edmonds on her Your Journey to Fertility podcast to tackle one of the most frustrating myths in fertility: “unexplained infertility.”

Let’s get real—there’s no such thing as “unexplained.” If you’ve been told this before, it just means no one has found the root cause yet. And that’s exactly what we dive into in this episode!

💡 Here’s what I cover:

  • Why “unexplained infertility” is often a misleading diagnosis and what could really be going on
  • The surprising ways stress and survival mode impact fertility (it’s more than you think)
  • How age factors into fertility—and why it’s not the whole story
  • The overlooked tests that can provide life-changing answers
  • Why male fertility is just as important—and how to address it
  • Actionable steps to empower your fertility journey

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Every couple deserves answers—and a clear, personalized path forward. Whether you’re exploring IVF, trying naturally, or feeling overwhelmed by conflicting advice, this episode is your guide to finding hope, clarity, and solutions that work.

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Hey, it's Dr. Obama, host of Egg Me Sperm. And this is the best podcast to get all of the vital information that you need to support your fertility journey holistically for you and your partner, because fertility takes two.

Such a treat to have you here. You are just a wealth of knowledge. And we're going to dive into so much cool stuff today. Thank you so much for being here. Can we start by learning a little bit about you and the work that you do?

Sure. Yeah. So I am a naturopathic doctor by training. I have a board certification in naturopathic endocrinology, which is a very fancy term for a natural approach to hormones.(...) And then I have specialized in fertility for the last 14 years.

And I have a book, I have a podcast,(...) you know, all the things.

(...) You have all the things. What's your take to this kind of work? I mean, why did you decide to go down

road of natural fertility work?

(...)

I was a generalist, so I was seeing women for everything.(...) And believe it or not, I had literally never seen anyone for fertility. This is 15 years ago now. And I remembered what I learned in medical school, which was our fertility drops off of a cliff at 35.

(...)

You know, there isn't a lot you can do, blah, blah, blah.(...) So I

married to this man who wanted to have babies. And every time he would talk about babies, my uterus would be like...

(...)

I was like, "Oh, that's weird. We're already married.

(...)

I did this." But it was a time of my life where the time that I was married engaged in most of that relationship.

Looking back at it now, like I had the most severe menstrual cramps. Like my body was speaking to me before we got to that point of babies. And I never really correlated it. But by the time that we started having these conversations, I was like, "Oh, well, if I'm married the wrong guy, then how long is it going to take me to find a new guy, get married, and then finally have a kid?" And I'm definitely going to be way over 35 by that point.(...) So I started researching fertility and locked myself in a closet for nine months to figure out what

is what.

(...)

And really came out of that, like, within a few months I had traced this

(...)

comes out of churches in the:

(...)

k that and said, "Okay, well,:

(...)

And the average life expectancy of a woman in that time period was 25 to 30 years, which is the moment at which I said, "Okay, so if that's not true, because we now live way past 30 years, right? So if our fertility is not determined by age, then what is it determined by?"

And sure, there is definitely a decline that's happening.

Once I got to that, I was like, "Okay, I have to question everything now because the foundation(...) is shoddy."

And the more I discovered, the more enraged I got. And the more I was like, "Oh, this is just so...

(...)

this a shit joke."(...) And I have to talk about it because we're all like, all of my friends are going through this. And I started talking about it. And before I knew it, people were like, "Oh, you could help me have a baby." And I was like,

everything I do is

So I kind of fell into it

personal story, but then it really led me to just feeling like, "Wow, there's just so much misinformation.

(...)

We're not talking about it. No one is... back then there was a whole four naturopathic doctors that specialized in fertility.

(...)

So

it's very different now. But back then, it was not a thing. People were not talking about it even on social media that much.

(...)

see the progress that we've made in the last 14 years.

(...)

And I think there's a lot of progress to be had, a lot more.

ity journey started at around:

(...) That's a good question to start with, because in my experience, there is no unexplained.

(...)

There's always an explanation.

(...)

And if we go with the solid foundation that I believe that we should, which is our body is designed to procreate, humanity has to survive.(...) So all of instinct is how to procreate.

(...)

The only time that that shuts off is when our need for safety and survival is stronger than the need for reproduction.

(...)

So we have these like two big energies in our lives and our body is constantly choosing one or the other. So if it's choosing safety and survival,(...) then reproduction becomes very challenging.(...) And a lot of unexplained infertility falls into that bucket. It's literally like the body has shut off reproduction for the sake of the survival of this human.

(...)

And if we can get them out of survival mode, it becomes a lot easier. But there are so many potential underlying causes.(...) And

often tell couples like I'm still waiting for a couple that I test and I don't have an answer.

(...)

Right? Like we have success that we do. And almost every single person has a reason, whether it's unexplained infertility or recurrent loss, which is our other big specialty. But those two things are almost always figureoutable.

(...)

And it is mind boggling to me that we even have this diagnosis. It's basically like, oh, I'm going to like throw this towel away because I don't know what to do with it.(...) Or let me just, you know, like

one of the silliest things I feel like in the fertility world and it's so disempowering. It's so like it leaves women with this question of,

But why? Like what's happening?

(...)

And like there are very few cases in which that unexplained has to do with something that can't be addressed.

(...)

Like in my career, I've only met one person and she wasn't actually unexplained. She had a diagnosis. It was a genetic disorder that left her not having a uterus.

(...)

And for her, I was like, I'm sorry, there's literally nothing that I'm going to be able to help you with.

(...)

But every single person otherwise is like things that we can figure out we can deal with.(...) And if it's figureoutable, then why aren't we doing that?

(...)

Okay, so why aren't we doing it?(...) Into this situation, why are we getting this from doctors?

That's a good question.

honestly believe that doctors have their best, our best interest at heart. I do. I believe that no doctor is evil and out to literally just make money, right? Like a lot of people believe that, but I don't think that that's the case. What I think is more true is that when you have a hammer, everything is a nail.

(...)

And in the case of fertility, the hammer and screwdriver, if we want to go there, is IVF and IUI.

(...)

And those are the two solutions that we have in modern medicine.

(...)

So either you have to be a nail or screw, and if you're not either one of those, then sorry, we don't know what else is happening.

(...)

And unfortunately, there are some doctors that veer towards the side of this immunology approach, which then again, it's just one more tool that becomes everything needs corticosteroids or whatever their solution is for the immunological thing that's happening.(...) So those are kind of the three big solutions that we have available.

And when

practitioner or a doctor doesn't have the wisdom to look under the surface, if they're just looking at the tip of the iceberg,(...) then what's sticking out is all that we can see. And that's usually the fertility hormones, which often look fine.(...) It's the sperm, which again, often look fine.

(...)

But when you look underneath, all of the hidden stuff is what's cruxually happening that is contributing to the challenge of conceiving.(...) There are going to be plenty of women. I've heard stories of women that are like, "Oh, I was diagnosed with unexplained infertility, and then I got pregnant three years later when we weren't trying." Right? That story is very true because they were, maybe they didn't address what was happening under the surface. Their life circumstance changed and they went from survival to, "Oh, I'm okay. I'm okay in this world. I can now reproduce."(...) So it's very possible that those women had those like shifts that helped them kick back reproduction online.

(...)

If we're trying to do this quickly,(...) efficiently, and not run out of time before it happens,

(...)

then our approach is like, "Let's just figure out what all the things are and then we can deal with them."

It makes for a faster path to conception. And again, it's not, I feel like most of these women would potentially go on to get pregnant anyway.

(...)

But we want to make it faster and we don't want it to take three years. We want to do it now.

(...)

And we can. Like, why not? Right? You're ready to have family now? Let's do it.(...) But

get to the root cause in order to do that.

(...)

Yeah. And not just make it faster, but actually give your body the support it needs on a really base level to want to have a pregnancy. You know, this idea that we push pregnancies on our bodies through a lot of medication, yes, it can work, but

that optimal? And is that best for the health of the baby and the mum?

Yeah, absolutely.

the truth is, there's a buzz about the side effects of IVF and things like that. And we're still in the early stages. We don't know for sure what impact that is going to have on your health, your future health, future grandkids. Like we don't have the timeline to even start making these observations. So again, like I go with the assumption that what they're doing is safe,

(...)

but it's safe to a certain degree. It's definitely not safe for 12 cycles, for example. And I've talked to this woman. She will always be in my head. She had done 11 IVF cycles.

(...)

And I said to her, if there are 11 cycles that have not gone well,

(...)

what makes you think that number 12 is going to be the magic bullet?

(...)

I don't understand. Like at what point do you say, actually, this is not working? And she's like, to tell you the truth, I don't want it to work. Because if the 12th one fails, I get a full refund.

(...)

And I was like, wow. A, like the ethics of that, I'm not sure about. Like you have to go through 12 cycles to get a refund. That seems weird.

(...)

B, there's no data on doing 12 cycles on someone and having it be safe. And like, is there any benefit to it? So I think that there is this--

(...)

this is still new.

(...)

It's not been very long that the first IVF baby was born.(...) So we don't have track records to say, like, hey, this is going to come without any detriment.

There is some early evidence that

lot more--(...) well, I'm going to leave that alone.

It's like the data set is very small. It's still like, is this proof not sure about it?

So yeah,

coming out. It's coming out. It's probably going to be another 20 years till we see the actual proof. But

starting to see the beginning trends of potential side effects downstream that we didn't think about.

(...)

So what are some of these deeper or additional tests that someone like yourself is going to be looking for? You mentioned there were six tests that you have. So what are these? And what are we looking at that perhaps the Western medical system isn't?

Yeah, great. Great question.

start with a functional assessment of the basics, which is the day three fertility hormones, FSHLH, estradiol, AMH,

(...)

on the third day of the cycle, ideally,(...) and then a functional or a more tight

of the sperm analysis or semen analysis. And I say that because a lot of guys get told, oh, your sperm are amazing. And then I look at it and I'm like, this is not amazing by any standard whatsoever.

(...)

Your morphology is at 1% to 2%.

(...)

That's horrid.

(...)

No way in hell is that turning into a healthy baby. I shouldn't say that. There's a tiny percentage, but that percentage is so small.

So it's really like we-- so that's the starting point. Then for both male and female, we want to know blood sugar, insulin, liver enzymes, CBC, white blood cell count,

inflammatory markers, homocysteine. So we have about 50 markers on the male and female panel that is just a very basic overview of what could be going on. None of it gives us the end-all be-all information, but it's a good starting point to say, hey, your homocysteine is really high. That could potentially lead to we might want to test your epigenetics. And epigenetics is this like, how are the genes interacting with our environment and how is it working? And if something was inherited that wasn't optimal, then we can adapt for it with nutrients.(...) So

a very low-hanging fruit for being

able to assess something and really create a precision plan for someone based on their epigenetics. So that's one piece.(...) We also know that high homocysteine and high blood sugar in the man(...) can lead to bigger struggles getting pregnant and then much bigger struggles staying pregnant in the female partner.(...) So both men and women need to be tested for that primary stuff.

(...)

Then on the female side, we usually want to

nutrient assay to figure out nutrition deficiencies.

(...)

And this is not our conventional, like what's floating around in the bloodstream, but we want to know functionally, like how much of this are you absorbing? How much is it is there for you to utilize?

(...)

is your body capable of doing that well? So it's assessing for all of those things.

(...)

And then the next test is a hormone test. And the hormone test is how is your body processing the different hormones through the body? So everyone knows, like, yes, I have high stress. Woo-hoo, big deal, right? But we want to know if the stress is high at the wrong point of the day. Is our body producing high amounts of cortisol during that point in the day? And then are we metabolizing that too quickly or too slowly?

(...)

So it's not just the production. It's how is this being metabolized out of the body? If it's sticking around,(...) like, let's suppose our metabolism is very low, but we're making high amounts of cortisol, it's going to look like we have lots of cortisol floating in the system. Oh, you have too much stress. We need to suppress your cortisol. But the reality is you're not processing it. So what we actually need to do is address the metabolism of that cortisol.(...) So it gives us a lot of information. And then similarly for estrogen, progesterone, so we're testing all of the hormones and their metabolites.

(...)

then we also do cycle mapping so that we can understand what's estrogen and progesterone doing throughout the entire cycle. And it's very common that estrogen might be flipped, like, especially in the luteal phase, you might have more estrogen than progesterone, which, like, basically negates the impetus to get pregnant.(...) So we need to flip that back. So the cycle map really helps us identify, like, your hormones might look perfectly fine on cycle day three. It's a spot test. But how do they look for the rest of the month? And at what point are they less than optimal?

(...)

So that helps us really hone that hormone piece in. And then, so we've talked about one, two, three, four. Fourth one is going to be the vaginal microbiome test.(...) So being able to assess vaginal microbiome, what is the makeup?

Traditionally, and this is actually what I learned in school 20 years ago,

is that our uterus is totally sterile. And that fact has actually been disproven-- or proven incorrect--

that we actually have quite a microbiome in our reproductive system. And that microbiome is actually being shown to be crucial in whether or not we're going to get pregnant and stay pregnant. So being able to assess that,

we're finding, like, even the male microbiome might be an important piece because we're swapping microbes.

So we want to make sure that all pieces of this are optimal. So that's it. So there are four tests on the female side, and then the two on the male side, the semen analysis and the full panel. So between those six tests, we usually have some sort of answers.

(...)

If we don't have answers, we at least have clues of what to test next so that we can get less of the answers.

So

kind of how we go about it. There's certainly so many more tests we can do. But these tend to give me enough to be like, OK, I understand. I can make some inferences.(...) We can do a little bit more testing if we must, but we don't need to blow $50,000 on testing. Like, it's good, but we don't need all that. Let's just start with the foundation. And then based on that, we can come up with a lot of

around how we want to approach.

(...)

What an approach as well. And that is just so far from unexplained. When you think about all of those different parameters that you can look at,(...) yeah,

kind of mind blowing to think that there's a fair amount left out there.

(...) Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I the unexplained thing is very interesting because so many of those women actually believe that they've been tested for everything.

(...)

And a lot of those women are told or I see this trend more and more in the last year.

There are a lot of women that are under the belief or have heard their doctor say(...) that it is their age. That's the reason they're not getting pregnant. And these women are under 35.

(...)

So we're coming to a point where like the age thing is just becoming more and more stretched.(...) Like it didn't have science to begin with. And then now we're stretching it into the 30s. And we're like we're just pushing

the bar on it. And I think it's a really lazy answer.

Even if like let's say a woman is 40.(...) To me, I don't care what your biological age is. I want to know what your hormones are doing. And I have seen plenty of 40 year olds whose hormones are actually like that of a 30 year old.(...) So I'm like, okay, well, we don't need to worry about the usual things we worry about with 40 year olds, right? Like you could you as an individual could certainly go on and have three babies.

(...)

So it's really important when we're talking to professionals to ask how they came up with that. And a lot of times, unfortunately, that

slash unexplained, and I feel like the people that are unexplained are now getting explained that it's their age.

So my

hope is that our listeners today can really walk away and say, no, like, no, that's not the answer. And I need a real answer.

(...)

And it's not unexplained if your partner has sperm issues. It's not unexplained if you are doubled over in pain because you have got inflammation, like none of those are unexplained.(...) It's just that your conventional doctor doesn't know how this thing that you're experiencing actually connects to your fertility.(...) Right.

And I feel like that's the missing piece is like, oh, if we understood that gut inflammation causes uterine inflammation, making it really an inhabitable environment for the embryo,

(...)

then voila, like who you have an answer.

(...)

But that's not it's not understandable for the conventional medicine world. So you got to just find someone outside of that field.(...) You got to find someone who thinks outside of the box.

Yeah.

It is so frustrating, isn't it? I was exactly in that position where I was about to start IVF and I decided to, my first cycle hadn't been successful before the second one. I thought, look, I'll go and work with the naturopath just to see if there's anything that I can do to help myself a bit more. And she said, oh, we're going to run a few more tests. And I said, I've had all the tests. I can't even tell you how many tests I've had. And she was like, no, you haven't. And there was so much more that was underlying and things that she found that were, I think, really, really helpful.

(...)

It is

and very eye opening. And also kind of, it feels like a bit of a relief when you learn these things as well. You realize that there's more to it

we thought and there's so much hope as well. So I have two more things. I wanted to ask you about, you first mentioned

semen analysis and how men are told your semen analysis is great.(...) And that's either not true or maybe it is, maybe it is true, but they use it as then a license to do nothing to support their fertility. Well, I don't,

my sperm is great. I don't need to worry about anything else. And in an arrogant way, they're told from a medical professional that their sperm is great. So why would they stop drinking beer on the weekends? Why would they worry too much about their diet or being great, whatever else they might be doing? So

what is an actual good result with a semen analysis and how do you look at it differently?

Yeah, that's a great question. So I have a whole thing on sperm that we can get into, but I want to give

the, the crux of it is that in the last 50 years, semen parameters have declined at a drastic pace.(...) So what we consider normal just 50 years ago is no longer the norm and we've lowered the bar a lot.

(...)

So what we're going by is basically what was considered normal 50 years ago. It's like if, if your grandfather has better sperm than you, that's a problem.

So we're, what we like to see is

optimal sperm count of over 40 million, which is a low bar actually.

Morphology should be above 60 to 70%.

(...)

And then morphology should be above 10%.

(...)

And all of these are like, like, yes, it would be great if they were better than that.(...) But a majority of sperm analysis do not meet this bar majority.

(...)

So in my eyes, a guy always has something to do. And even if he doesn't like, even if your sperm are amazing, consider this,(...) you have the ability to change your diet and lifestyle for a short period of time, ideally nine months since your wife is carrying your child for nine months.

(...)

And she's making all of those changes too. Maybe you could do this for nine months before you conceive.

(...)

And it would literally be things that are going, the things that you do, the ability for you to change your diet and lifestyle, even to a degree, is going to be enough to improve her pregnancy outcomes,

(...)

improve her, like, eliminate the amount of nausea she feels,

preeclampsia, prevent gestational diabetes, prevent recurrent pregnancy loss. Like there's no world in which guys do nothing to me, right? Like the data is very clear. You are influencing the outcome of this child.(...) The pregnancy and the child's future is in your hands or in your sperm, actually.

(...)

So why, like, why do we accept that it's normal for the guy to do nothing?(...) Right? And so in my world, there is like literally the fastest way to get fired from my practice is to have your partner show up and be like, I'm not doing any of that.

(...)

Trust me, like I've had people that have done it and I'm like, here's your money. See you later. Don't ever come back to me. The ladies are like, cool.

(...)

And I'm like, yeah, this is just non-negotiable. Like if he does nothing, we're out.

(...)

And

improves our success rates drastically. But the reality is if you have a partner that's not showing up before you conceive,

(...)

then what is that? How is that going to work once you have a child? Right? So I think it's the fertility is the training wheels for what you're going to do for the rest of your life.

(...)

And you both need to be on the same page and you need to be doing it. And I love it. Like our guys are some of the most motivated, amazing men in this world because they come and they're like, I just had a guy say this on Monday.

I kind of fell off my diet for a couple of weeks because my grandma passed away and I was in the hospital with her for a little while and I couldn't eat well. And it's been like three weeks that I kind of fell off. And I was like, it's okay. It's okay. And he's like, no, like I want to make sure I didn't screw anything up. Like is this reversible? I was like, it's only been three weeks.(...) You're fine. Like we're going to get you back. It's all good.

(...)

So like just such a level of commitment and motivation. And I like, I want that for every single woman on this planet.(...) Like you should have your partner is your partner. He's diehard. Like let's go. We can do whatever we need to do to have a healthy family.

(...)

It was a basically marriage counselor on to give everything.

(...)

The last thing I wanted to ask you about, you mentioned this. At the beginning of the conversation where you, we have to assume that as humans and as mammals, our body is built and designed to procreate. That's what it's trying to do every month. And the only time that doesn't become a priority is if it is sensing a threat and it's prioritizing your safety, your physical safety.

(...)

Can you explain a bit more how that actually affects fertility and why that is such a problem?

Yeah.(...) Well, on a very basic level, we, if we are in fight or flight, if we're walking through a jungle and a lion is in front of us,(...) our body goes, where does, where do my energies need to be to survive? Right? I need to either beat this lion,

(...)

kill it or run.(...) Which one is it going to be?

(...)

And

that moment, all of our energy, like our blood flow, everything is going to our extremities so that we can run. And in that moment, we're shutting off reproduction and we're shutting off digestion. And those are the two like very parasympathetic activities. They're active when we're in rest rather than when we're in stress.

(...)

So that's number one. Number two is that our bodies weren't designed for constant fight or flight mode.(...) So when we're in a constant fight or flight, our physiology is changing. So our cortisol, our thyroid, actually

FSH for example, goes crazy in moments of emotional stress, for example. So I've seen FSH like in the 200s. And that will be usually like, I didn't know this early in my practice, but

have correlated it to like high emotional stress in the last three years is going to like massively ride that FSH.

(...)

So physiology is changing. But in the context of our existence,(...) what's more important? Is it my own existence or my ability to pass this forward?

(...)

And usually for the female in particular, it's my existence.

(...)

For men, it's slightly different. And this has just been occurring to me in the last few weeks. So it's men are slightly different because they can spray their seed and then move on, right?

(...)

There's technically in the world of hunter-gatherers, there's nothing else that they're going to do.

In this life, it's very different. But in the way that our biology is,(...) they're done.(...) The seed is all it needs. So if he dies tomorrow, if he

eaten by a lion, if he decides he's going to go and like meet with someone else, none of it is relevant because he did his job, which was to propagate the species.

(...)

So the male reproductive system doesn't seem to shut down as quickly as the female.

(...)

The female, if she's not safe,

(...)

then there is no world in which she should bring a child into this world, right? Like everything is saying, "Oh my God, I need to protect. I need to like, A, I need to survive myself, but B, I need to make sure that my child survives. And I can't do that if the lion is coming or we're in the middle of a war or etc., etc., etc. Like all of these things that could be happening. Or I'm in a war in my job. Like, don't like my boss. Whatever it is, like all of those things make it so that the female species just like shuts off reproduction as a safety and survival mechanism for ourselves.

(...)

And like a protective mechanism for our future child, right? Like we're protecting this child that we're saying, "No, no, no, don't come right now." Like, "No, just let's put a pause in that because it's not safe here right now."(...) So it's no surprise, like biologically it doesn't surprise me at all that our bodies are this way.

(...)

And reproductive system is very much like in a response to what else is happening in our bodies. Even our ability to "relax"

(...)

for those of you that are not seeing us. I'm putting that in quotes. Relax,

(...)

physiologically relax in order to

sperm and have that sperm go up into the fallopian tube all the way to the egg. Your cervix needs to relax. Your uterus needs to relax. Everything needs to relax in order for that sperm to actually make it.

(...)

And if you are in stress mode, even you're like we're clamped all the way down into our reproductive organs.

(...)

So the physiology and the physical body is reflecting what's happening in our mental, emotional, spiritual worlds.(...) And

we can shift out of that survival and a lot of people have said, "Oh, just relax." You know, like the whole old saying that so many grandmas, "I can hear them all."

(...)

It all happened. Well yeah, but no. Like yes, but it's not the relax of going on vacation. It's a physiological relax of I'm actually letting go. I'm letting go of the control. I'm letting go of the need to do my to-do list. There's so many things that we're letting go of in order to shift our body into the safety and reproduction mode.

(...) I tell my students all the time that you can tell yourself to relax or calm down all day long. But if your body doesn't hear that and then, you know, your body doesn't hear words or understand language, it only responds to how it feels, right? So you have to come up with these tools to help it get there. So, so important that you mentioned that. Thank you. Are there any last words of hope that you want to leave people with? I mean, you must have worked with thousands of couples by now.(...) And just to give people a little bit of hope for their futures as well.

(...)

Yeah, I think, you know, in the context of unexplained infertility or age infertility,

really consider that there has to be more than just that explanation.

(...)

And don't rest until you have actually figured out what it is.

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Because if you're able to figure it out, if you're able to put the pieces together, whether it's with us or someone else, put the pieces together, right? And when you, when you see the puzzle complete and you're like, Oh, that's what it is. Then you can address whatever the things are. It really doesn't have to take a long.(...) It doesn't have to be years in the making. It's like relatively quick. If you can get that data and get the information and understand what your body is saying without speaking

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