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Tucker Carlson

• A true liberal who weighs facts
• Observes events through a moral lense
• Association with Fox News makes him appear far right

Other Liberals Like Tucker

• Ben Shapiro -
• Alan Dershowitz
• Tim Pool
• Joe Rogan

Meeting Ted Nugent

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A pledge of allegiance to the flag.

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of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,

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Good morning, my fellow Americans.

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It's awesome to have one more day to breathe the fresh air of liberty.

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Hey, we're glad you're here and welcome you to episode 18 and

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Hey, we encourage you to weigh in on the topic.

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And you can do so by emailing us at podcast@theconstitutioncommandos.org.

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I'm your host, Chris Williams.

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My brother Patrick Williams is co-host and we're the constitution commandos.

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I asked Stella already if dad listened to Tucker Carlson.

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Yeah.

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And apparently he doesn't.

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And I said, why didn't you listen to Tucker Carlson?

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Tucker Carlson is a liberal, Ben Shapiro is a liberal.

Chris Williams: 00:00:57

Yeah.

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I didn't know he was a liberal.

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Yeah.

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You know, Alex Jones is just straight up against all he is against

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So, yeah.

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But, but you know, dad doesn't like Alex Jones because he's

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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But,

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but you know, I was thinking about that yesterday when

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just sat on one side or the other, but seems to me they would listen

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Or, you know, Republicans would listen to diehard Republicans or something.

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I don't know, but I wonder why they're not.

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Yeah, I got an idea why they're not, especially with Tucker Carlson,

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I mean, but really all he is doing is weighing out facts.

Patrick Williams: 00:01:47

Well, he, he states the obvious and he does it with a level of

Patrick Williams: 00:01:58

Well, it's noticeably sarcastic, but Sure it is.

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You know, I don't, I don't know if you've watched many interviews where

Patrick Williams: 00:02:10

Oh, yeah.

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He doesn't have a, he doesn't have a tv He doesn't keep up with, he

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He, he don't, he don't really, that's right.

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You know, he gets a lot of his news from people

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Yeah.

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So he looks at things like, just, just any subject you can think of.

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Well, I mean, just like, what does Trump

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do?

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He, he looks at it from the way he, he was taught the difference

Patrick Williams: 00:02:42

Yeah.

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He tries to take each thing he hears.

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Through a, a moral lens in a sense, yeah.

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That it fits in the scope of right or wrong, but as a, and not just from a

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So right.

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He'll hear something and to him of sound, mind and body, he's

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I can't that really that's, that's going on.

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So

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you almost did too.

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You almost had the laugh and everything.

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So he states the obvious.

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But from a standpoint of a neutral person or a bystander.

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An outsider, yeah somebody from the outside looking in and somebody

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Per se, you know, he's not stuck in a, oh, I, I'm, I'm Democrat because this, this,

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He's on the fence.

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He hears something that's going on that's current and he views that for what it is.

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So, well, the interview that I saw that, that he was in with Ben Shapiro,

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I can understand that.

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But what he is doing, from what I've, what I've seen in his interviews now, he'll

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He says that his friends in Washington, DC they know they're messing up, but

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Right.

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And of course, if you can do Tucker Carlson, he's like,

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Why can't they just accept that it's a failure?

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Learn from it.

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I make a course correction.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And, and every, every interview I've seen him in, that has

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It is not so much that the Democrats are wrong, it's, I mean, he even

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You know?

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Yeah.

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He's not, it's almost like he's not taking sides, but he, he's just stating facts.

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That's it.

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Which is why I think more people ought to listen to him.

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Yeah.

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Even from the Democratic side.

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Well, and I have a feeling that what happens when

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Initially it was because, oh, he's on Fox, so he's a right winger, or.

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They hear him talk and it comes across as conservative to them and they're

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Or it is so far outside of their ideological beliefs, they don't, like you

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They don't wanna, you know, have a level of they don't wanna look

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It's, it's, it's automatically, it's not what I think it's become so tribal.

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Everybody's like, and, and they're in this group think mentality.

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Okay, well, oh, I don't agree with that.

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So he's a far right wing extremist.

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I mean, that's just the way people don't give him a chance because that's

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They don't wanna listen to him because their preconceived notion or

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look at it so much as he's right wing or,

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I mean,

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well, I, I think it's a culmination.

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I think it's a culmination.

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Everybody associates, Tucker Carlson with Fox News, which he's not with anymore,

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It's the far right media outlet.

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You know, that's so that automatically is the first strike.

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When people hear Tucker Carlson, they're like, oh, far, right?

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Or when he brings his perspective to the table and talks from a logical standpoint.

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It totally conflicts with their ideology so automatically

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You're far right.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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So it's, it's a culmination.

Patrick Williams: 00:07:09

I think it's a culmination of all those things, but I just

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Fox ideology's off.

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Right.

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You know, they don't even want, if they would listen to other

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And just listen, set aside their differences.

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Sit there neutral for a second.

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Say, okay, I'm gonna hear what Tucker Carlson is about.

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They might change their mind, but I think they are so ingrained into

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Right.

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And that's, and that's probably true.

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And to be honest, I thought Tucker Carlson was a right winger.

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Just because of the way I, you know, the way he comes

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But you know, I didn't even find out until he did that interview

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years.

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I don't remember how long he had been there.

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It hasn't been long,

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but I, I mean, it was like, you know, Ben even asked

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He said I just filled a position that was, but you know, Tucker

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And that amazes me because his insight into politics is incredible.

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But the way he analyzes it, knowing now that he is a liberal is, is even better.

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You know?

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But then he's not the only one.

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You know, like I said, Ben Shapiro's a liberal and even Alan Dershowitz

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Vote Republican, especially for Trump, and I mean, apparently he doesn't like

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Right?

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But if you know Alan Dershowitz, he's in Defense of the Law.

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I'm glad we got some fair players out there like that because it does say

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Are you familiar.

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Podcast Tim Poole.

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I heard that name.

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He does what is it?

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I think Tim podcast.

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I I I, and I don't, forgive me if I'm getting it wrong.

Patrick Williams: 00:09:42

You introduced,

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I think you introduced me to him once.

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Lemme see.

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Well, he is Escape guy, Tim Poole, right?

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Yeah.

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He actually was one of the first people like vice.

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Brought him in to start Vice News.

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Basically, you know, he's worked for major media outlets and you

Patrick Williams: 00:10:05

He's, but he, you know, he used Hello to align with Democrats,

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Can you hear me?

Patrick Williams: 00:10:17

Yeah.

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Hear me?

Patrick Williams: 00:10:19

Yeah, I got you.

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Alright.

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He said it's only been recently where?

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You know, his belief system has been more aligned with the Republican party

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But I don't agree with everything that Tim Poole says, and I don't, let me

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And, you know, his insight.

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So I don't agree with all of his perspectives a hundred percent of the

Patrick Williams: 00:11:05

What he does is he's an opinion guy, you know?

Patrick Williams: 00:11:08

Well, Tim Poole right, is the same way he reads the news, and then he's got a

Patrick Williams: 00:11:18

I mean, dude, he gets people like Matt Gaetz, he gets big

Patrick Williams: 00:11:21

Right.

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Not just Matt Gaetz.

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He's had Joe Rogan.

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I mean, dude, you could go down a list of people that he's had on a show.

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I think he's had Bernie Sanders on there.

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I mean, he's had a lot of people.

Patrick Williams: 00:11:34

Right.

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And but anyway, on both sides of the aisle.

Patrick Williams: 00:11:39

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And one of his shows, oh, you remember the band?

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All that remains right.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Well, the lead singer from all that remains is one of his regular pa

Patrick Williams: 00:11:55

Okay.

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And they give a, you, you really ought to watch it.

Patrick Williams: 00:11:58

But basically what I was saying was he, you know, he, he is a liberal,

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That's what he does.

Patrick Williams: 00:12:11

He's a, he's a skateboarder.

Patrick Williams: 00:12:13

Okay.

Patrick Williams: 00:12:14

But right.

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He said a lot of his friends or a lot of people that have known him, acquaintances,

Patrick Williams: 00:12:27

He, he, he just says Trump was the first one that he got on board

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He didn't start any wars.

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You know, he's, he's one of the, he's a liberal, he want, he wants

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You know what I mean?

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He wants everybody to live and let live, right?

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But a lot of people call him a freaking Republican.

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It's no different than what we were talking about with Tucker.

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Some people won't even give Tim Poole a chance.

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Look at Joe Rogan.

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He is a hardcore liberal.

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He is hardcore liberal, but he's fair.

Patrick Williams: 00:13:02

He was a, yeah, it was he a Bernie bro or was he a Hillary fan or something?

Patrick Williams: 00:13:07

But anyway, I wanna

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say Hillary, but I don't know for sure.

Patrick Williams: 00:13:10

But now you look at him.

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Yeah, he'll say it.

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Point blank.

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He's going to vote Republican because of the lunacy, not because he's a Republican.

Patrick Williams: 00:13:22

Mm-hmm.

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But there's a lot of people now that say he is sold out and

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He's a curious man.

Patrick Williams: 00:13:29

He has great questions to the people that he interviews, you know?

Patrick Williams: 00:13:34

Right.

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I look at people like that, like the Tucker Carlson, the Joe Joe Rogans,

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I look at 'em as not just people that want to hear the other side to hear

Patrick Williams: 00:14:01

And that's what we used to do and that's what's so.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:06

It's, it's a stark reality and contrast between today and say 15, 20 years ago.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:14

Right.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:14

15, 20 years ago, that was common life in America.

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Mm-hmm.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:19

Everybody knew everybody that had I mean, everybody knew somebody that had

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Get canceled from, you know, whatever and fired from your job or call a speciesist.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:39

Oh my gosh.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:40

Yeah.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:40

That, yeah.

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I, I wish the left would just stop inventing words, man.

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I mean, it's, it really does show the intell or the lack of intellect.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:51

I mean, it's, it's horrible.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:53

Go learn some grammar.

Patrick Williams: 00:14:55

I stopped trying to subvert grammar by inventing stuff.

Patrick Williams: 00:15:00

I mean, just sounds stupid, but anyway, yeah it, just trips me out because

Patrick Williams: 00:15:13

People won't give 'em a, because logic, what they're talking about is outside of

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Is the same thing as being logical.

Chris Williams: 00:15:29

I'm good with that.

Chris Williams: 00:15:30

Yeah.

Chris Williams: 00:15:31

I mean, but you know, a lot of the people too that are, you know,

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Rogan and all these people, they're old enough to, you know, been liberal when

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I mean, You know, it wasn't quite the John Kennedy type of Democrat, but

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Kamikaze Nazis that we have in power now, but, but a lot of those people

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You know, they're old enough to remember what the Democratic party was back

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Yeah.

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And you know, and back then, I mean, if I remember correctly, even

Patrick Williams: 00:16:32

Right?

Patrick Williams: 00:16:33

Oh yeah.

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Hell, I remember going to the airport and watching Jimmy Carters speak.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:38

Oh

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my

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gosh, I remember that.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:40

Yeah.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:41

I mean,

Chris Williams: 00:16:41

that was, we watched him get off the plane, right?

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They were on the tarmac.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:45

Yeah.

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And looking back, I'm like, what were mom and dad thinking?

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I mean, really.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:49

I mean, was that was one of the worst we went.

Patrick Williams: 00:16:53

I mean, and hey, I'm, I'm cool if they just want to go here with the

Patrick Williams: 00:16:59

It was the president, right?

Patrick Williams: 00:17:01

It could been, and I'm, it was one of those two things as opposed to, Garner

Patrick Williams: 00:17:08

I, I'm just, I'm praying that's not the case.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:10

You know, you gotta

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give mom and dad a little credit now because Jimmy Carter did not

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So,

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well, you're, you're absolutely right about that.

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He at least remembered where he was.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:25

Well, I.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:29

Okay, I got, I got two memories of my history that are always, they're going

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Number two was watching Donnie and Marie Osmond for my first concert.

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I've like, wow.

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And you just let the cat outta the bag, man.

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We wasn't supposed to tell that.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:53

Well, I know.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:54

It is embarrassing.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:55

That's a tough one to talk about.

Patrick Williams: 00:17:56

But once again, I am sheltered from the blame on that because we

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The first concert I decided to see was Brian Adams, summer of 69, so I.

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Redeemed myself with that right there.

Patrick Williams: 00:18:12

Well, look, I can save

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base with my first requested concert, which was my birthday.

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In fact, Ted Nugent in 38 special.

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And then I got the honor of meeting Ted Nugent in

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Austin.

Patrick Williams: 00:18:23

Yeah.

Patrick Williams: 00:18:23

Was that, was Molly Hatchett?

Patrick Williams: 00:18:25

Was that the one with Molly Hatchett that day?

Patrick Williams: 00:18:27

No, no, it

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he came, I thought it, it was a really twisted bill

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Yeah.

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Three songs into 38 special.

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It was proven that Ted NuGet should have opened, I mean, headlined

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But but I, I never would've imagined in a million years I would've ever been able

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But I did.

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And it, I, he blew me away really.

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First thing.

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He looked at me and said, I mean, I don't know if you remember,

Chris Williams: 00:19:03

Oh.

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The apartment manager's brother.

Patrick Williams: 00:19:09

Oh, you, oh, you're talking about in Austin?

Patrick Williams: 00:19:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris Williams: 00:19:13

Well, I went with him to the back room and

Patrick Williams: 00:19:17

yeah, his name was Perry.

Patrick Williams: 00:19:18

Yeah.

Chris Williams: 00:19:19

He went on one side of the bar to do something and wanted me to go

Chris Williams: 00:19:25

Right.

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So I went and found a table and I mean, we're in Austin,

Chris Williams: 00:19:31

Right.

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Long hair, earrings and everything.

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And so when I found this table, I went to the table and next to me, I said,

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And they said, yeah, bad company and damn Yankees.

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I said, oh, I walked in the wrong side of the bar.

Chris Williams: 00:19:47

And they said, you're not from here, are you?

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Does it show, you know, as it turns out, it was Jason

Chris Williams: 00:19:54

Yeah.

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And

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yeah, but dude, nobody in Austin at that time was from Austin.

Patrick Williams: 00:20:01

No, nobody.

Chris Williams: 00:20:02

Well, Jason was, but Jason asked me, he says,

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And I said, Ted, who?

Chris Williams: 00:20:10

I was like a moron, right?

Chris Williams: 00:20:12

And I said, yeah, I'd love to meet Ted.

Chris Williams: 00:20:14

He said, where is he?

Chris Williams: 00:20:15

He goes, he's at the sound booth.

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He'll be coming up in a minute.

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As soon as he walked by, Jason stopped him and started talking to him, and Ted looked

Chris Williams: 00:20:24

So awestruck.

Chris Williams: 00:20:26

I'm not awestruck, believe me.

Chris Williams: 00:20:28

He said, what's the problem?

Chris Williams: 00:20:30

So I told him about going to the concert.

Chris Williams: 00:20:33

Him and, well, I didn't tell him it was him and 38 specialists.

Chris Williams: 00:20:35

I said, I went to his concert three years prior on my birthday.

Chris Williams: 00:20:39

I said, man, and I could have sworn you were hopped up on

Chris Williams: 00:20:44

He said, I've never done drugs in my life.

Chris Williams: 00:20:47

Never drank a drop in my life.

Chris Williams: 00:20:49

And I said, wow.

Chris Williams: 00:20:51

Yeah.

Chris Williams: 00:20:51

I mean, but if you, you've talked to Ted before.

Chris Williams: 00:20:54

Have you ever been around

Patrick Williams: 00:20:54

him?

Patrick Williams: 00:20:55

No.

Patrick Williams: 00:20:55

Or just listened to him on, man, I've listened to him quite a bit, but I've

Patrick Williams: 00:21:02

Look, man, that guy

Chris Williams: 00:21:03

blew me away.

Chris Williams: 00:21:05

His intellect is far beyond anything you would expect from a rock and roller.

Chris Williams: 00:21:09

Yeah.

Chris Williams: 00:21:09

But when he told me music was his hobby, I was like, well,

Chris Williams: 00:21:15

But I, I was really impressed with him.

Chris Williams: 00:21:17

I mean, I thought he was gonna be, I mean, if you think about it, every time

Chris Williams: 00:21:26

But talking to him, it's a whole different personality.

Chris Williams: 00:21:29

I mean, he's a great guy though.

Chris Williams: 00:21:31

I mean, I wish I could talk to him some more.

Chris Williams: 00:21:35

Yeah, that was an interesting one, especially since that was my first time.

Chris Williams: 00:21:38

So it special.

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