A back-and-forth on the oldest argument in astrology: is fate fixed, or can you change it by changing your beliefs? The conversation moves from luck and the law of attraction to Prince Charles as a case study in outcomes that don't bend to effort, then lands on a real chart example — a child's learning disability showing up as Mercury in detriment in Sagittarius with Saturn conjunct. Traditional astrology doesn't sugarcoat what's written, but it also doesn't close every door — progressions still play a part. Know thyself. Balance your energy.
Takeaways
Changing your beliefs can shift what "luck" even looks like — the win you expected and the win you get aren't always the same shape.
Not every outcome bends to effort — some placements point to limits no amount of striving overrides, and traditional astrology says so plainly.
A real chart read: Mercury in detriment in Sagittarius conjunct Saturn showing up as a learning disability — with progressions left open as a possible turning point.
This has been the astrological argument since astrology started.
Speaker A:
Fate or free will, Is everything predetermined before birth?
Speaker A:
Or, or do.
Speaker A:
Do we have partial determination, determinism of some outcomes?
Speaker B:
I think I can.
Speaker B:
I think I. I just answered in my head the question I just asked you about.
Speaker B:
Do you think you can change your luck?
Speaker B:
And I'll answer with the following question.
Speaker B:
Is it possible to change your beliefs?
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
So once one changes their beliefs, it could be that their quote, unquote, luck changes.
Speaker A:
Now you.
Speaker A:
Yeah, well, now you're getting on the.
Speaker A:
The law of attraction theory.
Speaker A:
I mean, if.
Speaker A:
I mean, if you.
Speaker A:
If you think about.
Speaker A:
If your thoughts become things, if you change your thoughts, if you never think you're gonna win a lottery, then you change it to yeah, I can win the lottery and I will.
Speaker A:
Shouldn't that show up at your door at some point?
Speaker B:
Absolutely.
Speaker A:
Now?
Speaker B:
Absolutely.
Speaker B:
But that's what I wanted to get to.
Speaker A:
But the thing is, what you think hitting the lottery is and what the universe is hitting the ladder is might be two different things.
Speaker B:
Right, right.
Speaker B:
But at the point where your beliefs change and now your luck has changed with it, I would also assume that your perspective will also change.
Speaker B:
And so maybe in the past you thought winning the lottery was receiving, you know, a million dollars, but once everything kind of, you know, once the wheel spins, winning the lottery could be, I don't know, spending one more moment with someone that you really love or care about.
Speaker A:
All right, now I'm a one up on.
Speaker A:
One up on you.
Speaker A:
And just say, look.
Speaker A:
Look at Prince Charles.
Speaker A:
You know, even though he's been second in.
Speaker A:
In command, it may.
Speaker A:
It may come to it that he may never be king.
Speaker A:
No matter what he tries to do.
Speaker A:
He might die before his mama.
Speaker A:
Wouldn't that be.
Speaker A:
Maybe some.
Speaker B:
Maybe he's.
Speaker B:
Maybe he's.
Speaker A:
That, that.
Speaker A:
That also means no matter how.
Speaker A:
How.
Speaker A:
How much effort you put in, you may never be a boss,
Speaker B:
but you can be a boss in another aspect of your life.
Speaker A:
However you.
Speaker A:
However you.
Speaker A:
Now that's your Sagittarius moon look.
Speaker A:
That's what I talked about, right?
Speaker A:
Sugar coat some stuff.
Speaker A:
Hey, hey, in traditional astrology, Walter, you can't sugarcoat everything.
Speaker A:
That's what I said in the beginning.
Speaker A:
Hey, sometimes.
Speaker A:
No, but listen, some bad gonna happen to some.
Speaker A:
Some good people.
Speaker A:
It is what it is.
Speaker B:
Yes, absolutely, you're right.
Speaker B:
But this.
Speaker B:
But, but think about it like this.
Speaker B:
This is why the wheel is so unique to everyone.
Speaker B:
Because society can tell you that being a boss is only, you know, worthy when, you know, you walk into an office that's yours and you employ 10,000 people.
Speaker B:
All right, maybe.
Speaker B:
Hold on.
Speaker B:
But maybe you don't have that aspect in your chart at the top of your chart.
Speaker B:
So guess what?
Speaker B:
Maybe you're a boss when you walk into your one bedroom apartment with you and your significant other and your one child.
Speaker A:
Speaking of child, now I have something for you.
Speaker A:
What do I say to somebody who, who, who talks to me about their child and being slow and having trouble reading and putting stuff together?
Speaker A:
Right?
Speaker A:
And I, I was like, oh, all right.
Speaker A:
And I look at that person's child's chart and I see Mercury and fall with Saturn sitting right on top of her.
Speaker A:
Mercury.
Speaker A:
And this lady sitting up here talking to me about the.
Speaker A:
They're.
Speaker B:
They're learning.
Speaker B:
Learning disability.
Speaker A:
Learning disability.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Was it written in the stars?
Speaker B:
Saturn, Saturn and falling, wearing cancer and Leo.
Speaker A:
No, no, I said Mercury and fall.
Speaker A:
I mean Mercury and detriment.
Speaker A:
My bad.
Speaker A:
Mercury and detriment in Sagittarius with Saturn sitting right on top of Mercury.
Speaker B:
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker B:
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A:
Hey, Sagittarius.
Speaker A:
Higher learning.
Speaker A:
Higher learning.
Speaker A:
This person's talking about this.
Speaker A:
This person has a learning disability.
Speaker B:
Yeah, interesting.
Speaker A:
I don't know.
Speaker A:
I don't know if this person may ever get over that hump.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Because remember, progressions?
Speaker A:
Yeah, they may or they could.
Speaker A:
They could end up progression.
Speaker B:
Progressions play a part, you know, Let
Speaker A:
me ask you this.
Speaker A:
I mean, I didn't really, like, examine the chart, but that person could get over, get over that learning disability or that person could end up in the, In a straight jacket.
