This podcast features a deep and candid conversation with Bounty Hunter BJ, who reflects on his tumultuous journey through gang life and the impact it has had on his identity and community. He shares his experiences of selling his soul to the streets for 30 years, leading him to become a notable figure among bounty hunters, all while grappling with the loss of loved ones. The discussion delves into the evolving landscape of gang culture, highlighting the stark contrast between past loyalties and the current state of disunity among young gang members. BJ emphasizes the importance of education and personal growth, urging the youth to seek positive influences rather than succumb to the allure of violence. Through his narrative, he advocates for change, redemption, and the need to return to a sense of community that values life over street cred.

Bounty Hunter BJ

I sold my soul to the devil, man.

I gave my soul to the devil for 30 fucking years.

I took the red suit, put it on, and I led my structure, my generation.

I led myself to the levels in which I intended to be where I was gonna become one of the most volatile bounty hunters alive.

Until they killed me.

Either the police killed me or niggas in the streets killed me.

Because I lost my king, my little brother, and my mother, my queen.

Back to back to back.

Real life street stars know what time it is.

Real life street stars, man.

Hold up, man, hold up.

What we got in the building?

We got bounty hunter bj, the infamous man.

You already know, man.

Hey, listen, Jeff, I wanna say first of all to you and the crew, man.

It's an honor.

I wanna start this show off with two situations.

I want to give a shout out to my guy, man, for the collaboration as well, man.

Eastside Grinders, man.

Lv, man.

To all the truckers out there, man, Because I fucks with the truckers.

I'm going into that field myself, man.

I'm going into the trucking business.

So shout out to the truckers out there in the world, man.

They mean a lot, man.

And second of all, because I know Ms.

Wright sits right here and a multiple, a whole host of others, man.

Listen, man, I gotta give it up for watch, man.

My city, man.

And this right here is the bounty hunter Stump, man, from my triple og, Big homie.

Tc, man.

We in the building, man.

Y'all see what it do, man.

Representing OG Style, man.

We here on the blue couch, y'all.

We here.

It's going down, man.

First and foremost, before we even get into it, there's a couple terms.

I need you to just give me a quick definition from your standpoint.

Og.

Define what an OG is.

Okay?

It's.

It goes in a variety of lanes.

But an OG for us, the street perspective is someone who really earned that.

That status.

Like, it's.

It's the status that you grow to earn.

It's not just like some cats in the hood become an OG because they lived in that neighborhood, that community, all their lives.

And once they got up to an elderly age, we have a tendency to call them og.

But the real significant meaning in street terms of the OG word comes from putting their work in the streets as a young yg, a bg, you know what I mean?

A baby gangster to a yg, young gangster to an OG gangster.

So that's where the terms OG come from.

You know, where you'd have made it to that level where now, okay, you a og.

And from an og, there's no other status outside of you growing to your elderly status to become a senior citizen.

Now, how old do you have to be to become an og?

That's great that you asked that question because there's a whole lot of youngers out here, 19, call themselves OG.

Right, right, right.

There's no such thing because you ain't put in no time, no efforts, no work, no nothing.

The normal statics of becoming an OG normally sets in around primarily the age of 45 to and going on up, because that should be your era of where you really, really on edge as far as your maturity statics, as far as even talking about gangs now on those levels, you supposed to be trying to grow to a whole nother level.

So it start taking you out of that equation, give you the status of that level now as an OG because you're not really out here trying to really be active, be in the streets as you was as a young cat.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, man.

You know, it's first and foremost, you know, any.

Anybody, any black man that writes a book, you know, I always just give double salute for that.

You know what I mean?

We.

We got the product on the table, the green jacket.

Oh, yeah.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate it, man.

Quickly, I want you to take them through that.

I read a little bit of it and there's a couple things I want to touch on in it.

But to tell them real quick about how you came to create this book and what it means.

Well, it means a lot to me.

First of all, it's a dedication to my neighborhood.

This is why it's the illustrated part of the book where when you first open it up, it's like nine pages dedicated to the first, second and third generation, which are photos, photographs of individuals I grew up with from all three generations.

And so they depict a variety of photos.

And I'm throughout all these photos as well.

And so the Green Jacks itself, we started out in the history in our neighborhood that was our first name before we took on the tag as notorious bounty hunters.

Then my big homies before me, my first generation big homies, the seed planters who started the situation in the projects.

We were the green jackets.

And from there I knew history of it, but I wasn't a part of it.

I didn't participate in it because I wasn't that age.

I was a kid then.

But I knew my history of it from mentors of my big homies that I grew up and grew up, under and around.

So instead of me taking the whole format of the book and writing it fully in dedication to my neighborhood, it would have kind of been an impossible task for me because so many individuals are deceased for me to obtain those rights because it would be based on true stories and true events.

So what I did was I said I'm going to do something different by me being a graduate student from AFI Stellar Academy.

Me and T.

Rogers graduated from LACC together, Drama arts and theater.

So this is where my writing skills has always been there.

I said I'm going to put a twist on it.

I'm a take the title itself because it has so much meaning to it and I know the marketing aspect of it is going to have an is to it because people know the green jackets when you hear that name, the green jackets.

Oh, that's them.

Bonnie Hunters.

That's the Nicholson.

So it's real history behind it.

So what I did was I took the characters, certain characters and I flipped them and I put my own twist to it.

And you gotta read the book, cause if I keep talking then I'm gonna be telling you the story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's about five characters out of the Nixon Gard and the book surrounding the projects itself.

The Nixon guard, right, who became self multimillionaires in the game outside of becoming gang bangers.

They grew in essence to become self millionaires from the street perspective.

And they connected with this other crew from the west side which was BPS's black Peace Stones.

Because growing up in our era, well basically I'm one of the main characters, right?

So set the.

So for people that don't know the era, set the era time frame that you're talking about.

Right now we talking about the early 80s, coming out of the 70s to the early 80s to the late 80s, the crack epidemic wars.

The crack epidemic where you had to be a sorry individual that couldn't get no real money out here during that era because they gave it to us.

Nobody in America outside of the black race.

I'm not saying that from a bragging or BOSA standpoint, just from a political and just a self righteous fact standpoint.

They threw the shit in our hands first before the Mexicans got it and the Yugoslavians and the Russians.

But the mob has already been always in tie.

The cartels has always been in tie.

But they connected with us in that early 80s because they knew we ran and controlled the streets.

So in order for them to distribute they had to put out lieutenants in position.

So this is where the Ricky Rosses came from.

You know the Chico Browns cats I grew up with, you know what I mean?

Know these cats personally.

Oh, you know Rick Ross?

Yeah, most definitely.

Yeah.

Chico Brown is my cat.

Both of them?

Yeah.

So how was Rick Ross before the game?

Like, in the game, you say, how was he?

How was he?

Was he really cutthroat person or.

No, no, like.

Like the film and the stories depicting.

No, no, Rick was smart.

Hell, no.

Rick is a shrewd thinker, businessman.

He.

Rick thought numbers, right?

You know, it was like you could have took Rick in our time.

Ever see Rick was, like, coming from the east side and growing up where he come from, he was different, Right?

It's like myself around my peers, I was different because I educated myself.

Not just I didn't have no gangster mentality.

I educated myself.

So that took me further and a long way in my leadership and my influencement because of that.

Because cats couldn't read and write, niggas couldn't count.

You count some money, but you don't even know you miscount.

I'm sitting here watching you miscount, and then I can go back, double back and peel on you because you just miscounted.

You thought you counted a thousand, right?

You know what I mean?

Well, you.

I know that you said that you were smart enough thinking would you get your hands dirty, though, like, in the game?

Oh, well, you have to, right?

I mean, it all depends on your status as far as your leadership.

Me personally, my type of leadership, bro, was if I couldn't show you.

You was on my team, you was one of my soldiers, and we was really getting down together.

If I couldn't show y'all how to do it first myself, and I couldn't show you that I'm a lead by example, then I'm not doing it right.

I'm not a good leader.

And in essence, I had this analogy that I use this philosophy that I say that if we going out, if I ain't got a parachute on, y'all ain't got a parachute on, man.

It ain't fair game.

You know what I'm saying right now in the book?

You did shout out Bun B from UGK like it was either prologue or right in the beginning.

What is your connection with, you know, UGK down here?

That's n.

They like super legends to us, you know what I'm saying?

So when I seen that, I was like, damn, what's bro's tie in with UGK.

It's a 13 year long story.

13 year long relationship.

I mean basically it goes back go back some time where a situation had occurred in Los Angeles and some basically Christian bloods is finna rob the set in la.

Mike Jones video, Snoop.

They was primarily targeting Snoop and Mike Jones.

Snoop was getting a lot of slack from the west coast at this time and they was targeting him and Mike Jones.

Bun was a feature on the, on the song at this time.

And so it wasn't so much they was tripping on Bun, but he was going to get it as well because he was a high profile artist in their eyes.

It was on set that day.

So they don't even care that Snoop's a legend.

Bum B's a legend if he's going down.

See, that's one thing about la.

It's different.

It's really a different moon, man.

It's like cats don't give a shit unless you really that type of nigga that really can push that kind of weight or your main carry that, then don't care.

You know, they're still bulldozing and test the waters.

So getting to the introduction was I had a strong relationship with Chino.

Excel.

That was my guy, you know what I'm saying?

I got Chino out a couple situations in Los Angeles when he first touched down and moved in la.

And so I was on my way to an audition and I got a call from Chino.

He was ecstatic.

Yo, yo, son, son, yo, yo, Captain, where you at, man?

I need you, man.

They finna robbing.

They gonna rob him, son.

They finna lay him down.

They lay everything down.

I'm like, hold on, man.

Son, slow your ass down.

Tito, who you talking about?

He go, Bun, man, Bun B.

I go budk.

I said, blood, hold on, where you at?

Give me the addie, give me the address.

I said I was on my way till audition, but I'm on my way.

So.

So they was in VG hood and crook neighborhood.

Half and half it was broken half.

And they parked at a church shooting this scene for my lowrider, Mike Jones, my six foe.

And I actually ended up in the video that day.

I ended up doing a cameo with Bun and them that day in the video.

But nevertheless, I turned around, pushed my way over there.

When I got over there, it's like at least about 30, 40 young cats all in front of the gates.

These niggas chant.

You hear cuz and blood and they chant.

So when I pulled up, I pulled right Up I seen two of the little weenie security guards, you know, standing at the gate but not putting no force.

You know, they just like getting at these dudes, but they ain't made they move in yet.

So I pulled up in my truck and just stopped.

When I stopped, cats turned around, started looking, now looking at me, and you can hear cats like, what, cuz?

Who is that?

Like, so once I got out of my truck and made my appearance, I jumped out.

What's up?

So now my attention is immediately to the.

To the niggas, because I speak they lingo, and I'm still active in that world.

So I'm like, jump out.

What's up?

And the first thing I see, I see the young homie from vg, Bird.

He go, big homie.

I go, bird, what's up, blood?

I said, hold on.

Let me holler at you in a minute.

Let me go in, holler at these folks, Bird.

The go nowhere.

I'm hollering a minute.

So that's all I need to see one individual who had the energy that I know who was regulated.

So I go right in.

So when I go in, I step right in, be who.

Who the director is.

And I got a strong relationship with him.

Shout out to him, love and respect to him, because I.

That's what I say today.

And that's Dr.

Teeth.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Dr.

Teeth.

So when I walked in, Dr.

T, they introduced me to.

He said, what's up, OG?

He said, what's going on, man?

He say, I can't finish the video or nothing, man.

These guys is threatening.

They threatened the production, dude.

They took one of the speaker mics, and I said, check this out.

Don't worry about it.

I got it.

I'm gonna lay it all down.

Who's the petty cash holder?

He go, huh?

He was shocked.

I knew the lingo.

I said, who?

The petty cash holder.

Who's the producer?

He said, hey, come here.

He introduced me to me.

He said, whatever.

He say, he won't give it to him.

So I told the petty cash.

I said, look, I got what I'm going to do.

I'm going to go over here, I'm going to hire a few of these guys.

Once I hire them, they're going to take care of y'all for the rest of the day.

Give me a minute.

From there, I wanted to burn them trailer.

Once I bust up in the bundle trailer, big truck, buck sitting at the door, Bonafide bone, which is road manager queen in there and Bun.

And so when I come in and Chino, Chino walked me in.

So Chino introduced me to everybody.

Once he introduced me, I embraced Bun, shook hands, looked at him and his wifey, and it was like we instantly, we just, we connected, like instantly we had this chemistry like where we connected.

Not only that, I had a big fine for their music.

I respected their music, you know, especially particularly Pimp C.

Cause Pimp was that dude, you feel me?

So I really respected they shit.

And to really meet Bun and me, I was already pushing the line.

That's how I got in the game.

From, you know, my security, pushing my way to security to bodyguarding.

And really protected a lot of major name cats in the game for a lot of years.

Until I turned my status into a CEO status.

I wasn't no groupie.

So I met.

I knew all kind of dudes.

I met him, been knowing him.

So that built my relationship with him from that point on.

And I let him know that, you know, anytime you in the west, anything, doing anything dealing with the West, I got you straight.

So was that like the aversion of checking in, so to speak, when you hired them?

It was almost your way of putting money back in the community's pocket in order to settle that.

It's great you asked that question.

And I can break it down and explain it to TV Land.

Because there's a lot of young cats need to understand that shit because they missing the bag right now today by not applying this formula.

See, this is a formula, man.

And now cats just go to the hoods.

And your hoods is.

See, what I don't like about my neighborhood at this point in time is that.

And don't get me wrong, it's the younger generation term.

I'm not here to ridicule it, but I can't voice my opinion as a double OG and being a legendary from that hood and knowing all the work I put in, man, in the years and decades I put in behind this shit with other soldiers and warriors like myself, we had never had no intentions from our neighborhood and our community to break down to become a fucking tourist attraction.

Right?

You feel me?

Where any motherfucker with a camera could just walk in step and be like, oh, hey, hey, take a picture.

And they gone and they get the money.

So because our people so lack of education, bro, and don't understand the formula of this is really, it's a business.

Like the big homie, the G, really, he's speaking real.

Ain't about no extortion.

It's business.

And the white Folks understand it, but if you don't apply it, there ain't no trip.

They're gonna go still do their thing and Moses their way in and get in and get out and get the money.

But if you apply it and it's applied in the right way, you find yourself getting hired.

Now you're a consultant on these sets.

When they come down in the neighborhood, they call your phone and say, man, we want to come shoot a movie in such and such neighborhood.

You got contacts over there?

Shit, yeah, I do.

You make your contact over there.

Now you to hire five or ten dudes over here.

So just to give you someone else who has that same formula is Cleese Long Bone.

Actor Bone, writer, director, producer Bone.

This is how he come up in the game the same way, bro.

The same formula.

You know what I'm saying?

That's, that's, that's, that's some real dope knowledge right there, bro.

It's like, I just feel like LA when it comes, I mean, just California in general is different when it comes to.

Y'all really stand on business.

When it comes to politics, the way that people should move and y'all not just letting anybody do anything.

Can you give me the history on how it got like that?

Because I feel like it ain't too many cities that really regulate they city like y'all do.

Well, it all, it all came from the function of gangs.

When the gangs merged and came in and really gave us that division and divide and separation, then those politics was built because for those politics had to be rules and standards and principles and morals.

See, in my era, my time coming up, you wouldn't finish this.

Be no gang banger.

You from.

You just moved from Tallahassee, Tullahoma, some damn where to la, and you just moved here.

And you want to join this game.

It's cool, you can get in the game, but you're going to prove yourself.

You've been in the hood for 10 years already and you want to join the game.

Same aspect.

You got to prove yourself.

Nowadays, it ain't no proof.

It's just me and Buddy right here.

We decide, hey, we finna go hang out with the.

With the L gays over here, and we finna be them today.

But two weeks from now, they poppin over here, so we gonna switch over here and switch sides.

See what?

None of that.

It was rules.

What about the California jails?

Is it, is it the same still or.

If you go to jail in California, you don't have to prove yourself.

Oh, it's it's crazy because it's worse em.

It's like it's worth them.

And in my time and error, it was like we really gang bang, right?

We banged.

So like the little young cat 4x to say off the back, it was on site, Our wording was on site or off top.

So it was the same thing.

So we really gave it.

So in essence like him and Cookie Monster, cmac, they back, they gang banging in the wrong era.

See, they really gang bang.

See Forest need to be gang banging in the 80s and it would have been competition for him because it really bangers.

See, these young niggas don't gang bang, bro.

So when you go in that county jail, the county jail more or less now is a bully force.

Like the bullies really regulate and run everything.

Like you got to be one of the bully type that's really putting it in to survive on it all that you gonna get chewed up.

So yeah, it's true about when you go in that county jail, I take them phase and where you from?

Where you from and see what the politics was different for us.

They had us separated, segregated because we were so volatile we couldn't be in them situations with each other.

Was gonna die, wasn't gonna be no fight, just head up fights.

Niggas was dying.

Late night, you go lay down, two or three niggas may get poked and not wake up.

That's how serious the shit was.

See, it ain't like that.

It's just different.

Did you grow up in the era of Monster Cody?

Knew him personally.

So how was he in person?

Just like his name, Monster Cody.

Right.

Smart though, militant, sharp, you feel me?

Muslim mind, Muslim background, great brother.

But he was serious about that gang banging, man.

We come about our paths, crossed path in juvenile hall.

I got caught up in 79, my first bodies.

79, 70.

I paralyzed A and got attempted murder.

Two cars ADW, which is solid deadly weapons.

17.

I'm on my way juvenile hall now.

When I go Jubilee, I'm already hearing this name, Monster Cody.

My homeboy, Bonnie Hunter, Rack dog was the quiver of the Monster Cody.

So they was like neck to neck.

So Rat was in the system as well.

So when I hit the system, I go to a holding tank.

It's like multiple crips in there.

Primarily two sets of my enemies, which was the PJs and the gray streets at that time, which was my rival enemies.

So when I hit the tank, I ended up, you know, getting down with a few of them niggas.

And at that moment was when I met Monster, because he appreciated and respected how I stood my grounds as a Blood.

And back then and there, if you gonna be a Blood, you better really be a Blood.

Not too many of you.

Oh, no, no, no, bro.

That's why we stood out.

And this is why real da moves like myself and others, our names still carry the day.

Because of those situations, we really had to sacrifice ourselves.

We had to sacrifice putting it down like that.

Because if not, these young niggas wouldn't even be saying blood or whoop, whoop right now, today.

Because niggas like myself, so me being in that situation and the Crips knowing that, and they hit me up like we.

You niggas know I want from niggas.

Bonnie.

Hunters.

Blood.

What's happening?

What's happening, Cub?

What was happening?

We can get down.

So Monster Cody stepped and said, hold on, hold on, cuz.

Give him a head up.

Y'all can go head up.

What he did, man, ain't gonna be no Rat Pack then just go hit up with him.

That's some real shit.

You feel me?

And from that day on, me and Cody became.

I'm talking about A one.

So his first book.

I'm in the first book because we grew up in the same generation, Second generation.

So you're in the book.

Did he change your name or.

No, it's in there.

Bj.

Okay.

Yeah, it's under bj.

I'm trying to think what.

Cause I read his book and I'm trying to think what part he's talking.

About the bounty hunters when he's talking about different sets of Bloods, the first, second generations.

Yeah, I'm in that category right there, that paragraph.

I gotta go back and watch that thing.

What made you essentially, like, turn up in the gang life?

Like, what gave you that edge to be like, I'll do something to somebody?

Well, that's.

This.

That.

It's like, was it something that you saw?

Was it innately in you?

No.

This is where the part of my life where it became an emotional situation, bro.

I basically, I.

I sold my soul to the devil, man.

I gave my soul to the devil for 30 fucking years.

I took the red suit, put it on, and I led my structure, my generation.

I led myself to the levels in which I intended to be where I was going to become one of the most volatile body hunters alive.

Until they killed me.

Either the police killed me or niggas in the streets killed me because I lost My king, my little brother and my mother, my queen.

Back to back to back.

Did your little brother get killed?

Nah, bro, I wouldn't be sitting here on this couch talking to y'all, man.

I'd be on death row some damn well, if not dead.

Especially if some niggas in the streets killed you.

We wouldn't even have this conversation, I guarantee you that.

Now, unfortunately, he was in a car accident with two more of my young homies, My little homie twin and my little homie pookie.

Rest in peace.

And the car flipped over.

Neither one of them little niggas could drive at the time.

They were 16 to 15 years old.

And the car flipped over and they was able to drag my little brother out.

By the time I got there, they had.

The ambulance came, they took him to the hospital and he survived.

He lived for six months, and then all of a sudden, he trying to follow.

He was following my footsteps.

You know, we heavily in the gangs at that time, but we both.

Our life was headed toward the sports world because we played sports all our life.

So my real.

My dreams had been football and baseball.

I was going to make it out in those terms, had good grades in school.

And so all that shattered when I lost my family.

Because my family has always been everything to me in life, still is right now today.

So that became my emotional turning point where I had already been fascinated with the gang life.

Watching my big homies, I was torn between two different characteristics in my life.

Coming outside, seeing bodies drop, shootouts, niggas in a dice game, they might get knocked out and have a doohickey size of a real baseball on his head and still fighting, seeing all these things at 13, 14 years old and not jumped into it yet, but knowing about it.

So I'm just learning certain things.

So when I really made that decision, I was really basically already groomed in a lot of ways because of what I've seen and what was taught.

So when I lost my parents, like I said, my little brother, that was my turning point, bro.

I took that red suit and I ran with it.

And I became one of the most hated love feared niggas in my neighborhood.

Right?

You know, I was loved by many, feared by many, and hated by many, hated based on the fact because of my violence.

And niggas know, I go, I go even right now in the day, and I'm retired and I don't want to hurt nobody, but don't fuck with me because I go straight up, you know what I mean?

And I ain't Tripping on the fact of the consequences.

Because I'm smart enough to know, I know I got to deal with consequences if I go there.

That's why it's so important for me not to go there.

So I don't fear no man, no nigga on earth.

I fear God and I fear myself.

Because I know what I do to someone protecting me, you know what I'm saying?

So I'm, I'm glad that I'm, I was able to self retire myself out of that life, take myself out of that equation and you know, become the entrepreneur that I am and today because you know, that was the best thing that I could have done for myself, bro.

So I want to dive a little deeper in it.

Like did you figure out how to move in the streets or did you have like an OG teaching you how to put in work?

Funny you asked that question.

Great question though.

For me coming out of Kansas City, Missouri, I was born, first of all, I was born and raised Kansas City, Missouri, the first 10 years of my life.

Coming out of a set of projects, coming out of one of the biggest housing projects in Missouri, which was Wayne Minor projects.

Coming around.

Gangsters, killers.

Not gang bangers.

Gangsters, hustlers, killers.

Can you define the three?

Define those three.

Oh, let me break it down most definitely because I always get into this debate with Chicago because I love Chi Town, because Chi Town for us was always a big influencement to us as gang bangers that we was doing the dumb stupid shit, fighting over these stupid ass colors when these brothers over here was holding down their communities, they neighborhoods.

You couldn't come sell drugs over here if you weren't from this community.

First of all, you weren't selling to your own people.

So they mind frames was different.

So we always respect them as gangsters.

Chicago produced gangsters, not gang bangers, bro.

Gangsters.

LA is the seed, the manufacturers, the first individuals on the globe who produce the red and blue syndrome of gang banging.

I'ma kill you if you got on the wrong fucking color, nigga.

We did that shit in LA and we became genocides amongst ourselves.

So gangsters are more structured, organized criminals, bro.

They take the formula of the mob, so they take it on a whole nother level.

Gang bangers are the individuals who are from the neighborhoods gang banging, but not yet from the set.

See that?

It's three elements from gang banging.

A gang member and from the set.

You gotta become from the set.

Well, how do you get to the set?

Bonnie Hunter, B.J.

putting that work in Young, that real Work.

And when you put that real work in, you climb what we used to call the ladder.

So now you went from a gang member once upon a time, which is the question he asked me.

I was associate from my neighborhood because I live in the neighborhood.

So anybody in the neighborhood, you're associated with that hood now.

I became a member because I'm fascinated with the gangs.

And I'm associating with the gang members and the gang bangers, meaning I'm hanging around certain individuals now.

I get caught in.

Now I'm in.

I became a gang banger when I became a gang banger.

My first total, My tool was a.357 Python at 8 inch barrels.

And I was dangerous with it.

So now I be start putting that work in.

And less than a couple years.

I'm from the set.

Meaning from the set.

Oh, what I say go.

Would he say go if we in the meetings?

We the in the meetings talking product ticket.

Not you gang members, damn sure not your associates.

You ain't even in the meeting.

You ain't even in this meeting.

Only in this meeting is gang bangers.

Cause they soon to be the from the set.

Cause they got to go put this next work in too, to climb that next ladder.

And the niggas from the set, see, that's the big difference of the day.

It was a whole different ball game, bro.

We played.

You know what I'm saying?

And again, not seeing none of that from a bragging bullshit standpoint, but from an educational standpoint that you guys need to know the rules if you gonna be into this shit.

You jumped your head into it or you ran into a wall like a crash dummy, but you don't even know no rules.

Cause y'all don't have no rules behind this shit, bro.

None.

Right, right, right.

So those are the three separate, separate elements of it, man.

There was two brothers, and I can't think of their names right now, but they're from California, right?

And they practiced devil worshiping back in the day.

Did you know anything about that?

And they were bloods, and they grew up real good.

But then they got into devil worshiping.

I don't know their names off the top of my head, but you ever heard of any gang bangers praying to the devil to get, you know.

Hey, hey.

I'ma tell you this, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

And I'm gonna say it for no viral aspect.

You asked me an honest question.

And it really from a spiritual standpoint, bro.

That just hit me.

It hit me A certain kind of way.

Cause I'm like, how the this know.

What kind of research has he been doing?

Right, right, right.

I just watch a lot of gang.

But, bro, I was from a crew when I got.

When I got.

I got paroled out of Folsom.

I got recruited in this crew, Money, Mac and Murder.

And my initiation in this crew was if I want to come up and I wanted my own.

And I wanted to better establish my own crew of niggas and establish my own as the leader that I was then.

Okay, here we go.

Here go your front.

We gonna give you your bird, but you responsible for your bird and you responsible for getting it to the next stage.

85.

But what is the OT game?

Big Cap out of town.

Okay, this is when we got into the whooping, doubling up our shit, taking one bird, flipping it into two, and we ship it.

Feel me?

Basically, you know, out of town distribution.

So from that point, I was given a bird.

And that bird was broke down into a cookie, which is two big cookies.

You cook it in a binker, it breaks down into cookies.

So I got a bird busted down, put it in the jockey strap, strap it around, put it on me, put it on me, Put my draw zone, walk straight through the airport, get on the airplane.

At that time, it was safe haven to do it like that.

Cause it wasn't as high tech dogs, none of that.

TSA wasn't even.

It wasn't.

It was a whole different ball game.

September 11th.

Yeah, it was like you.

You literally gonna walk with it in your hand, you know what I mean?

Until they got wind of it.

And that was for at least a good seven to eight years.

It was like that.

So once I got involved from that aspect and I got into the clique, come to find out the founder, you know, one of the leaders was this young cat, great cat from Anthony's Park, Miller's gangster area.

I ain't gonna utilize the name because one of my bros, he's my dog, he's rest in peace.

But we were known in LA for devil worship, right?

Because that was.

That was a part of our cult, you know, we became the devil worshipers, bro.

And I'm giving it to you with all honesty, because that was something that I was part of my life.

Right, so that's why you said earlier you had sold your soul.

Is that why you mentioned that?

Yeah.

So if you don't mind, can we dive a little deep into the.

Hey, man, I'm just.

I fucked up, man.

Yeah, no, no, like, God damn, that's crazy.

So I want to, I want to ask this.

And the reason I'm asking this is for people at young ages, you know, your mind can be influenced.

You know, I have a son that's a.

You know, he just turned 20 and I, I could just see his mind get influenced by just certain things.

Right.

And so if you're practicing devil worshiping, what are some of the things that they would.

That you would have to do when you were either talking to the devil or.

What did.

What did you want?

Well, basically our, our.

Our.

Our ritual.

Our ritual aspect of it was basically we'll be smoking, getting high, a couple of homies.

Because I.

One thing about me, I never smoked with no hard narcotics.

I never smoked drugs.

I never too d.

Cocaine.

I didn't with nothing.

I smoked my weed.

That was it.

I never got to the drinking up until later on into my 40s, right?

You ever fuck with the wet angel dust?

None of that.

None of that.

I didn't need none of it, bro.

I was already volatile.

My temper, I'm temperament, right?

I'm a go.

I'm a fighter, trigger man, whatever you need, I can.

I'm gonna bring it.

I mean my, my father instilled that in me because my daddy was a war vet.

So like I said, I bought it from Kansas City, being around all my uncles and my daddy for his brothers being from Vietnam and war veterans.

So I grew up shooting at an early age.

Eight years old, hunting.

That's why it's one of my favorite biggest hobbies in sports right now, right?

So, so the first thing you kill was like animal, like hunting and when you was young, right?

So that's why I was asking, like.

Going back into the question of the ritual.

Our particular standpoint of rituals was we were just more or less suicidal.

Like give you an example.

The homie say, I'm just use the word G as a name.

Let me just use G.

The homie G say, hey fool, you know, I just want to get my million dollar policy, fool.

Cause you know, we might.

I might just die tomorrow, right?

He'll say some like that, what?

But in actuality, he's serious.

So now here it is.

We fall in lead, we going to get policies.

So I went and Got my policy.

We had just went and bought us a 20 foot Bayliner.

We pieced up when it got us a 20 foot bayliner, right boat.

And we had to start throwing these parties on San Pedro harbor where all the LA was, all the damos from different hoods would come to the beach.

We throwing these big old super beach parties and shit.

So we bought, we bought the boat, then we bought jet skis.

So I was on my jet ski one day, we out there clowning in the water.

We bought eight, nine deep.

We clowning.

And mind you, I just got this policy, bro.

Not even five, six days that I got this policy on myself.

And so I'm dipping in the water and my good smart dumb ass not realizing, hey man, you not on pavement.

This thing not gonna just stop.

So when I went to dip, I tipped the nose in the water and the rocks to the shore, it spin like this.

It took me right on up the rocks.

So I let the bike go, it flew off of it and the bike just blew.

So here come the Coast Guard, all that they had to come come and get me dragged.

One of the homies pulled up, I jumped on his jet ski, got off the jet ski, they come get mine out the water.

Three days later, we had our main house once again.

I jump on a motorcycle.

It's one of my little homies bikes, his bike.

I tell hey, let me ride right quick.

So I jump on this motorcycle and I cut ass coming down 132nd.

I'm in Compton in West side prior hood.

And I'm coming down 130 seconds and I'm finna cross central.

And it's all ongoing traffic.

It's a main boulevard, right?

And I go to break down and the bike ski on me, not stopping instantly.

And I go straight through ongoing traffic and a diesel and a couple of cars, like just really barely miss me.

And I bust down and I came out with a quick left without hitting the fence in the gate, the wall, because that was my next stop, that wall.

And I hit that left, it came out of it like.

And just like a whole.

It was like a whole spirit came through me like a protection that stopped me from dying right then and there instantly.

Because my next impact was that wall, bro.

Right?

It was that wall.

And once I knew once I hit that wall, if I let go of the bike, I'm still, I'm damaged regardless.

And I'm on a little speed motorcycle bike, you feel me?

So it's like it was all bad.

I should stop.

When I pulled up they all cheering and going crazy all the time.

I'm just looking at them going like this, man, I just damn near died, right?

You know what I mean?

And then of course, that kind of brushed off of me and I go into my little laughter and yeah, was crazy.

You know, that's dumb shit, man.

You know what I'm saying?

But that was sort of our ways, of our rituals and then, you know, just being on point as far as just knowing we didn't give a fuck.

So would you contribute?

You would contribute that you not dying because the devil practicing, basically.

Cause that's our shield at this time.

It ain't God.

God not protecting me.

Satan is protecting me.

Whatever I do, shoot me right now.

I'm coming back get you.

Cause I.

He got me fooled, right?

Feel me?

That's why many times I didn't get shot.

When I got shot at was on me trying to not boom, blah, blah.

I'm knocking back.

We knocking.

Bullets ain't hit me though, right?

I didn't hit plenty of.

Cause I can really shoot.

And I creeps.

I walk up on.

I might walk up on you looking like an old right and walk right up on your ass and give you what you needed, you know what I'm saying?

Because I didn't give a right, right?

That's really how volatile I was.

But I didn't give a right.

But I thank God he took me out of that element, bro.

Right, right.

Because I, you know, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't be here today, you know, to be able to be a father, raise my kids, love my first grand, but my first born grandson.

Just.

Just being here, period, bro.

And just having this change the venue, you know, for me even to sit here and to share this with you guys.

And I'm so.

I'm.

It's fine to be on the blue couch, man.

By the way, you know, I told him I was coming, boy.

Yeah, for me it's different.

Yeah.

Ms.

White.

I'm right here too, bitch.

Right?

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, man.

So it's just that knowing coming from where I come from, bro, and then being on this Internet and becoming, you know, you know what I have become in this Internet world and also having to run in my own channels and things of that nature.

It's just that for me, it came with a lot of growth, right?

Cause I had to take a lot of shit, you know.

So how did you.

All right, I'm gonna walk with you in the game.

So you.

You just don't give a fuck you that Nigger, you kill.

You, you know, do whatever you fucking gotta do.

Allegedly.

Allegedly, right?

Allegedly kill or whatever the fuck you do.

You know what I'm saying?

You hit.

You know what I'm saying?

So how do you go from, you know, I'm worshiping the devil to be like, nah, God really got me.

Well, you niggas cheering on Woody, Woody, funny ass did it.

Why I can't do it?

No, no, I'm just saying, like, no.

That'S a whole different category.

I just had to throw that out there.

So I'm saying, like, no, no, just.

Like, like I'm asking, I'm asking for.

Go ahead.

The damn show is not overnight, right?

It's not overnight, fam.

It's for me.

It's not overnight.

That's why I said I gave 30 years to him, right?

30 years.

No, not as a dummy.

I literally had carried the red flag in my pocket for 30 straight years.

And gang bang.

No, bro, I gang bang, became a D boy criminal organized.

All type of organized structures and crimes, elements of crimes, which led me to prison systems, right?

My prison world, all that shit combined together, just that whole lifestyle for 30 years.

30 years in the streets until I said, you know what?

This enough is enough.

I ain't with the streets, I ain't with the hood, none of this shit no more.

Because I did it.

I gave enough.

What am I going to do?

I'm going to keep doing it till I die, right?

Because that's, that's the only element I'm going to get out of it or the rest of my life in prison.

Once again, my integrity, intelligence kicks in, you better than that, which is the spirit of my integrity and my intelligence talking to me.

Are you ready to come home?

Right?

And because becoming a father and doing something that other gangsters ain't done, never done.

And.

And I can really say that and brag and really boast on that, that how many of you niggas can say, you delivered your kids, nigga out.

Your woman, pussy.

Open that up, come on, let's go.

And you deliver them, cut the umbilical cord, named them, hand them to the doctor, and you raised them all the way to college.

And they speak three different languages.

You feel me?

Now that's gangster.

That's gangster, right?

So those was the type of things I took myself on, levels on, man.

And I seen those changes and transitions and I know the devotion that I gave to my kids.

Oh, man, I gotta make a choice.

I can't live this double life now.

I can't allow this friction to spit me up because A one I got a good thing going over here where I got a set career in the entertainment field.

I didn't establish a name for myself in the entertainment field as well.

Now I have these beautiful babies that God has blessed me with.

Got.

Satan didn't give me this.

He pissed off.

He.

He got me running the obstacles right now because shit is going on.

I didn't got a little pussy nigga over here and testing me.

So I gotta go ahead and knock on this door and handle my business.

And.

But when I'm trying to do good and think good, but this test me now he see I'm trying to go to different directions.

And that's when the test has come.

That's when all the wolves, all the come out the woodwork, the tough.

Now I got.

I just gotta ask this question, right?

You know, when it comes to gang banging, right, we have like a guy named OG Percy and he say basically he gang banger for life, right?

I was hoping I was gonna sit on this blue couch and that fucking name didn't even arise in this conversation.

You mean YG Super.

That's that nigga name super off of PJ's nigga.

Ugly ass nigga.

But go ahead on, man.

But my question was, when you're gang banging, is it one of those rules where it's like it's for life or.

Because like you're saying you're trying to change your life, but is it one of those things that it's gotta be.

For life or it' I'm gonna tell you like I'm gonna tell you like I tell a lot of the bloggers.

Big Jeff, knock that off, man.

You smart and sure that you a.

You a king and you a man.

You understand that?

Them just be talking.

First of all, again, most of these raise your kids, got your kids pulling pistols and bust you upside your head while you sleep.

And all type old because your parenting ain't right, right?

Which means you ain't right.

Don't look at that.

They come on this Internet and say what they want to say, because the Internet gonna believe it, bro.

And if you a kid a thousand miles away, you looking at this ugly on here telling you, yo, nigga, it's gang bank for life with me.

But then when them cameras is off, that same just gave you that influence.

Don't got a car, don't own.

Ain't setting no boundaries to lead you, to show you nothing good and positive.

But you, you falling this dumb nigga that Ain't og, bruh.

That ain't gangster shit.

That ain't gang banging, none of that shit.

And I get tired of that shit, bro.

And that's the shit I've been running from.

Not to get on this Internet and battle.

Cause I could.

I shut them all down, all them pussies, I shut them down.

Can't fuck with me in real life.

And no one with me is Internet.

But that ain't my character, bro.

That's not me.

So that's why I separated myself from him.

And I just do my thing.

I don't speak on them cats names, none of that.

I just keep it moving, bro.

But it's just, it's not right because it's too much misguided influence on this Internet to our youth, bro.

Too much.

What would you tell OG Percy to do different than what he does?

This ain't hear me listening, huh?

What would I tell him different?

I really, it's like you can't tell a like that nothing different because his mind was fucked up coming in the game.

Nigga, how you gonna be 40 years old and let a 16 year old, 17 year old nigga tell you I'm putting you on, cuz.

I'm gonna make you a crip.

So you see the mentality there?

So how do you explain that to a man with a mind like that?

That's not OG shit, bro.

But that's the world that these youngsters want to believe.

Okay, it I ain't gonna take it from.

But I'm here to give you the truth and facts.

That's not the it.

That's backwards, right?

First of all, 17 year old niggas don't put 30 year old, 25 year old, 28 year old niggas on.

It's the opposite way around.

You get put on during them time of eras.

16, 15, 18 years old.

You know what I'm saying?

So and really in honestly actuality, bro, this would be my advice to answer your question based on you asked it and out of respect is stop lying as far as the characteristics of the gang banging field.

Over 50 and let's go for not just him.

All you over 50, all you over 50 on this Internet to continue to profess you a gang banger.

A1.

You ain't in your hoods like that.

You ain't even active with the young.

Who's really active.

You ain't even around them young because you don't want to go to jail.

You ain't got it in you to go sit down in jail.

You damn sure ain't got no fight in you like you be claiming on these Internets.

You ain't got that kind of fight in you that 15, 20 years that you still dreaming on, man.

Leave this alone and let's change the narrative, bro.

Well, why not?

Let's all come together.

If all these gonna be real cats, then why not the real dudes?

Let's start getting together, city to city, state to state, communicate and take this and change it in a whole nother form.

Another way we still get the bag and get the money, right?

We ain't got to be stupid to be on here with the buffoonery and the feel me Integrity can still get us money.

Intelligence can still get us money, man.

A brain can still get us money, man, but refuse peace, bro.

So instead they'd rather come over here with the controversial and fake like, oh, I'm just, man, that's just.

Earth irks me, bro.

This irks me, man.

But yeah, that, that's my advice, brother.

To any of them over 50, even over 45, what do you still gang banging for?

What are you proving?

Or are you really a gang?

Gang banging because one minute, some of these cats, they holler about, they banging and they holler about God in church and are singing religious songs and.

Right?

Got on suits with dirty brims and, you know, I.

I don't know, man.

I'm just saying I'm the mess and I shoot back, you feel me?

It's just crazy to me, bro.

So Sh5, do you believe there was anything good about gang banging at all?

Hell, no.

And, and check this out.

This main camera right there.

Boom, bam, bam.

I got it.

I got this.

I'm a professional.

I said boom, bam, bam.

Main camera.

No, my God.

Question.

Gang banging out there, youngsters, TV land.

Listen, man, I'm telling you, sitting here on the blue couch, bro, from a real og, bro, who really, really done it with the best of the best.

Keyways, Damos, Crips of Los Angeles, bro.

Crips and Bloods from all over, man.

Different states that was generated in this game, man.

We all get to a point in our age, our age and the point of our life where we grow, man, and we think, and we think about the things we've done in past tense.

If someone is trying to tell you who come from that life, and he's trying to tell you, youngie, that ain't what you want.

You gotta stop and take the time to listen and not make that mistake.

Because once you make that mistake, it's Too late.

See, once, one thing about this era and y'all, y'all don't get the chances we got.

See, we can knock a nigga head off and go do five years and come home and kill another nigger and go do five more and come home, kill another nigger and go and do seven, eight years, come home again.

That's three bodies.

This is long before the three strike shit kicked in.

So you had real niggas, like, not just me niggas in Los Angeles really have this type of jacket, bro, and have this type of assault system in a.

In a resume, bro.

Because it was like that.

And then we knew the system.

We knew how to play.

From a murder to a manslaughter, from a manslaughter to a Battery, to assault, W80W saw with a deadly weapon.

So we knew the system.

And then the system wasn't as broad as it is now.

The laws was as broad as it is.

So now once the laws became strictly, that's how they tied down us.

Because they knew, okay, we gotta stop these bloody 80s.

These niggas became too volatile on us.

They got out of hand.

We weren't expecting that.

So the laws got real, real harsh.

So just knowing, coming from where I come from, it's always gonna be my advice from my change of being a father and getting out of the game, it's always gonna be my advice to push peace, to push change and grow for you youngsters out there.

Because this y'all era y'all time, man.

And y'all can do something totally different than what we done, bro.

Y'all don't gotta do this shit, homie.

You don't gotta make no think you, oh, this is gonna make you a man and make you tough.

No, it ain't right.

That nigga ain't raising his kid, but you raising your son.

And you trying to gang bang you more than the man that nigga is.

You don't even recognize him.

You living two different lives, don't even recognize you.

Trying to take care of the responsibility of this child and still claim a hood.

It's pretty of us than done it.

Plenty of us out there doing it right now today.

Youngsters, you gotta make a wise choice.

It's either them kids or them streets go home.

The baby and them kids.

Especially if you got it right at home.

Go home, man.

Fuck them goddamn streets.

Straight up fuck them and tell em Bonnie how the BJ says so.

AK CEO Nino Cappuccino.

Fuck em.

Them streets go home, man.

Where it's Right at, man.

What would you have told yourself that you think would have resonated with you when you were of age, when you was banging?

Damn.

Busting me with some good ones.

It's crazy because it never resonated until I got in them situations.

It in themselves.

You don't think there was nothing.

No advice.

Someone could have been just it.

It was given to me all the time.

I got.

I had great mentors in my ear, right?

Like, what you doing, man?

You.

You too talented in the game, man.

Let's get back into your sports, man.

Play your ball, man.

It was like that.

I'm gone, man.

Let's see it.

I'm.

You know what I'm saying?

Right?

So long as I was connected to the man in the red suit, he kept those thoughts out of my mind, Right?

Cause everything was just.

I lived on anger, bro.

I woke up in the morning.

Who.

I'm finna up.

Rat Dog.

What's up, nigga?

Where you at, blood?

I'm over here.

Let's link up.

Me and Willie Dog.

Me and my homie.

Rest in peace, Warrior Glad Air.

We link up.

We looking for some.

We looking for.

To go beat up and get in some trouble.

Oh, this over here.

Owe me some money anyway.

Let's go with this hood.

We go check on this.

We go here.

They might end up something.

So we looked forward to that.

So it was like your mind really don't have room and time to really think on the positive aspect of the.

Whatever the possibility because you're doing so much destructive shit, and the people around you is doing it just as well.

So the influence is there, right?

Like, you may be getting to some.

It ain't even my thing, but it's my thing now because you my boy, right?

Right.

So we gone.

Makes a lot of sense, you know what I'm saying?

So shout out to big homie.

CC and Dugar.

They're on this couch, and they basically said that, you know, the violence would be almost like intoxicating, almost like a drug.

And if they didn't have it for a while, then they would suffer some type of depression or something like that.

Did that ever happen to you?

Like, man, we ain't got to know.

So let.

Man, we got to figure out something to get into.

Exactly.

That's why I said you find yourself daily creating those problems or creating something, right?

Whether it's a robbery, stealing something, taking some.

You know what I mean?

It's something that's got to be dealing with you fucking up.

It's violent.

It's criminal element in some form being.

That you were in both spiritual realms.

Well, like when you.

And then now, you know, God now today, right?

Do you ever have yourself talking to the devil and talking to God at the same time?

Wow, man, that was a fight.

That, that, that was the battle.

And with all honesty still right now, today, it, it tweaks me to certain levels, but I'm so much in control of it now to where when he pops up, it's like, I really.

Fool.

If you don't get out of here, I literally sock you myself right now, fool.

You already know I got wings.

What would you tell somebody that would be like an atheist and they don't believe that the spiritual realm is real?

God and the devil.

I've been there with a few of them a lot, you know, a few of them.

And it's like, that's really a strong debate.

When you sit down with atheists, that's like the strongest debate you can really come across from a spiritual and a biblical standpoint.

Right?

Because there's no belief, no matter what you say, no matter what your analogies is, your philosophy, what the Bible says, what's written, even if it's in wording, it's like you can't convince them, you know, it's like, nah, they gonna have a different analogy for a different response, different everything.

No.

How many, how many partners did you lose in the game?

Well, I couldn't even give you that in numbers.

Put it like this.

If you go to the Nixon Gardens, you will see a wall that was sponsored and made by my homie Loaf, Big Homie Loaf, Loaf, OG Loaf also co produced with two of the little homies, Todd Stick and dk.

Rest in peace.

But we have a big wall that they had made devoted to the hood back 40 some odd years ago.

And that wall has every person in Nixon projects, whether it was a young kid, an adult, elder, mother.

My family's on the wall.

We on the first doors, the first three original doors.

My family's on the door.

You feel me?

My father, my mother, my little brother, and my little relative is on the door.

So those are, those are our cemetery monuments.

In the Nixon Garden project is that wall.

That's why that mall, that wall has so much meaning to it and to us, especially out of the first and second and third generation, because we know the triumph that we went through and so many people that we lost in the game of gang banging just for Ran Red.

Red.

These niggas had them Red and the opposite who pulled up, caught Them slipping.

The homie got shot in the head or he got shot here, red or they got killed over there because of blue.

A green, yellow, purple, orange.

Colors, man.

Colors, bro.

And that I'm.

When I look back on it being the man that I am and the fatherland, bro, those are the pieces of me that beats my ass every day.

And I did that, man, like, like, look at this suit I got on.

Spiffy, ain't it?

Stink blue, man, with them, with them stripes.

I'll be beat myself up back in the day to wear this because.

Only because I like the suit.

But man, it got blue in it.

Give me a burgundy or a red one.

See how up my mind was?

We was walked, bro.

We was warped.

I wouldn't drink great.

Nothing great you wouldn't be.

Boy, I used to slap out of hands.

I wouldn't.

You could catch one of my homies drinking a grape soda.

Or my homegirls, My homegirls hated that when I came around here, here, go get your strawberry soda.

I give everybody, go get your cherry soda.

Yeah, we was walked, bro.

They that, that gang banging really had LA cats like myself and thousands and millions of cats.

It's right now today.

Their minds are warped, bro, behind that, you know, and just, just to say this, just to put this out there as well, because I'm loving the fact that the question that you're touching on with this gang banging issue, man, is the fact that a lot of them youngsters don't even realize, bro, is most of us, you either born into it right, or you got a choice.

Now, those who have choices, meaning you moved into the neighborhood, you came around for a while and you decided, oh, you gonna jump into this game.

You got into it, that was your choice.

You weren't forced into it.

Some get pure precedent to it.

However, those who were born, let me break it down and explain to you what born means.

Your mom and your daddy is your fault because they put the red and the blue flag in your pocket from birth, taking pictures and shit.

When you was little, you find yourself three or four years old doing like this and like this in pictures.

And they thought that was cute.

Not knowing we were warping our kids mind.

This is why I refused as a.

As the gangster that I was.

I ain't never bringing no kids up in my hood, in the projects.

I ain't having kids right now.

As the volatile individual I am, I don't want no kids.

I don't want that responsibility.

I don't even want to do that to them.

Kids feel me.

So it's like, I didn't want that, bro.

I knew I want to have a home setting and be a father.

And I knew I wasn't at that level yet.

So when and when it happened to me, and it wasn't forced upon me, but it was something that happened that became a part of my change in my life.

I know, okay, damn.

This is where he want me to make the choice now.

You know what I'm saying?

But it's like these kids don't understand, bro, that if you weren't born into this shit, which most.

The majority of the world, you got into it by choice and you weren't born into it.

You can say what you want to say.

Out of towners and from different states.

Oh, no, I was born into a big homie.

My homie was.

Your homie wasn't even born into it.

It was bought to them just like clothes.

It was a fashion.

It became a trend.

If they didn't come to the Mecca, or if the Mecca didn't come to them, meaning if cousin Louie didn't come back from Cali, who been in Cali for 15, 20 years, and he got relatives out here in Texas or Louisiana, because that's his bloodline, that's the only way it becomes official.

Official.

And this is the real deal.

We got bloodline here.

Feel me?

If it ain't that, man, it's that bullshit.

So.

So let me.

Let me ask you this, right?

You start.

You see a lot of gang culture now online with the streaming, these platforms that are putting it online.

What are some of the messages that you've seen that has misconstrued what you feel like gang banging stood for or just some false ideologies that they're putting out there?

What are some of the things?

Well, some of the things, Jeff, is primary.

One, I just had to do a video, and I'm glad that I was able to have this interaction and had this communication with this brother, this young brother, not putting his name out there.

But I had a young cat get at me, bro, last week.

I had just got off the phone with you, and I happened to check my messenger and looked at my DM and the young cat telling me, oh, gee, put me on, man.

Put me on.

Now, I could take this message two ways.

Is he getting at me?

Because he.

He know my grind.

He see my hustle, and he want to get out in.

In the entertainment field with me.

He want me to put him on musically.

I can take that in that fashion.

But me knowing my Mind and my mentality and knowing the streets, I.

I read it just the way it was.

This little nigga asked me, literally putting him on over the Internet.

Like, oh, you want me to tell you, okay, you're a bounty hunter and you under me.

Boom, boom, boom.

Here go my text message.

And bam.

Now it's in the atmosphere now the feds, the hip hop cops and everybody else that's involved.

Just got my text, right?

Hold on.

We know he's going by the Barney Hunter BJ moniker.

That's his characteristics via Internet.

But we know he's a retired CEO, grown entrepreneur, soon to become a million dollar farmer.

But this nigga still gang banging and he's still calling shots because he's putting on he recruiting, feel me?

But that text never came because I'm sharpening and smarter than that.

So what I did was I went straight on, I went live and I did a video.

It's on my channel now.

And.

And the videos went viral because I gave advice not to just him, to all the young out there because I'm just fed up with it, sick of it.

Like, man, you got so watered down with this.

Now where y'all literally.

I know I ain't the only OG from la.

I can just imagine the other Crips and Bloods.

But I just hope you is smart enough to do the same thing I did.

Shut it down and tell them y'all the real advice, bro.

You don't want this, that life, you don't want to be put on.

Why be put on?

You don't have a jail record, you ain't been to prison, you ain't never been to juvenile hall.

Why the you want to be put on?

Put your cell phone in life, get you a life, youngster.

That's the best advice I can give you.

And that's what I gave you.

I said you ain't gonna have me indicted, have me caught up in somebody's under somebody prison right about now and take everything I done, worked hard for and got.

Oh, hell no.

I'm way smart in trouble today.

I ain't no og, was a drug addict or, or hanging out in the parks or nothing like that.

I own, I got ownership on, feel me?

I go home at night, I sleeps, feel me?

I eat right, I train five days a week, I'm in a gym and I still hit hard box write all that.

So nah, I ain't one of them OGs.

I'm different, bro.

That's why I'm hated on because of that situation, because I'm different, but I'm real.

And I respect real all over.

No matter where you from, I respect real.

So what do you think about, like, when you see, like, celebrities joining gangs?

Like, you got, you know, Wayne and them Chris Brown, and just.

They're almost glorifying it to a certain extent.

You feel what I'm saying?

Well, again, J, that takes us back to the hip hop aspect of when you first asked me the question.

Based on the checking in and the bun B situation, it just goes back to I can't give it to you no other way and sugarcoat give it to you.

It's just.

It's just a sophisticated way of distortion, gang man.

You feel me?

Because it's like, there's no way, nigga, you a singer or you're a rapper from here.

And we gonna bring you on to this set where we done lost 50 homies, 30 of them.

Homies, really.

Homies, they.

They was from the set they put work in.

They died.

But we've been let this sucker just come on in because he a rapper and got money and got a bag and claim the set, and you ain't gonna pay homage?

Come on, tv, man.

We know the realistic to that.

For all them to claim these gangs and from these different hoods.

You feel me?

You gonna pay some homies, you gotta pay some homies.

And if you ain't, that's when the come.

That's when you.

You see the politics hit the fan in the air because the ain't really paying that homage like they supposed to.

Why else would you take yourself from a million dollar seat and become a thug to have four ugly around you to say, yeah, I'm from over here.

These ugly is broke, and you not knowing they plotting on your stupid ass.

So the first time you get out of line, okay, I already know where he lay his head at.

We know where one house is.

He got two of them.

But we know where the houseweet party had already.

We come to get him.

So you stuck.

You feel what I'm saying, right?

How do you feel about, like, the people that represent Cali right now on social media, for instance, like, whack 100.

And do you feel like he does a good representation of that of Cali?

My opinion overall, when you say representation of Cali.

Yeah.

First.

First of all, reiterate that question, because representation can mean a lot of things.

I.

I'm just gonna put it like this.

Me personally, my professional opinion, for anybody, any of these on the Internet with the stupid buffoon, it's bro because it's still.

It's misguided to our youth.

But let me say this, though.

Some of these cats like him.

I don't think Wack promotes.

No, no, no, no, no.

I'm saying not just him.

I'm just saying, period.

Right now, I'm going back to that.

I'm saying.

Now let me say this, though.

One thing I can say based on him, and that's from conversation.

Direct conversation, me and him.

Milo.

Milo.

Is the fact that, okay, I can respect this game because the fact.

Sit down.

Over the years, and he mastered some within this digital world, right?

Because this one was told to me out his own mouth.

So that's why I.

I'm not gonna get on this couch and disrespect the.

And go ham on him, go upside his head.

None of that.

Even though I can and I will if I chose to.

But I'm not gonna do that, bro.

I'm gonna keep it professional and I'm gonna keep it real bloody as a real damu.

And give me respect on that level.

Because me, I had the conversation with the.

So when I had the conversation with him, and he broke it down to me explaining, oh, see, no, big homie.

Listen, man, see you, og.

You is too serious.

This right here, it's.

It's a game, man.

It's.

It's.

It's a digital world.