Gillian shares her personal journey of alignment, growth, and self-discovery through various avenues: from studying film in New York and Asian culture in Japan, to her exploration of Rolfing, Pilates, hypnotherapy, and Buddhist Psychotherapy. She explores the profound value of aligning with one's inner identity, environment, and, importantly, with money. After her third encounter with Bitcoin, she made the decision to invest her resources into it. She underlines the empowerment Bitcoin provides, especially for women and encourages self-interrogation when facing resistance or discomfort in exploring new areas like Bitcoin.
00:03 Introduction
00:31 Announcement of the Orange Hatter Women's Retreat
01:34 Guest Introduction and Conversation
01:47 Early Life and Education
03:55 Career in Film and Technology
04:18 Personal Struggles and Self-Discovery
05:36 Journey in Different Countries
08:15 Career Transition into Technology
10:13 Exploration of Self-Identity
13:28 Career in Psychotherapy
17:55 Personal Growth and Future Plans
31:19 Unveiling the Layers of Self-Discovery
31:44 Exploring Zen Buddhism and Consciousness
33:32 The Journey of Self-Realization and Conscious Death
34:14 Experiences of Emotional Struggles and Healing
37:00 The Mystical: Astrology, Starseeds, and Channeling
38:04 The Path of Spiritual Exploration and Transformation
42:33 The Intersection of Bitcoin and Spirituality
42:45 The Journey to Bitcoin and Financial Freedom
45:11 Bitcoin as a Tool for Personal and Financial Alignment
49:31 The Role of Bitcoin in Alleviating Anxiety
57:23 Empowering Women through Bitcoin
01:00:16 Closing Remarks and Invitation to Join the Women's Reading Club
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I was trying to free myself and help people free themselves
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:through therapy, but we will never
be free without a free money.
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:This white elephant in the room
was missing in all this therapy and
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:alignment stuff I'm trying to do.
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:We need to align with money.
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:That was for me, the
last piece coming together
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:Tali: Hey, everybody.
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:Welcome to Orange Hatter.
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:Before we dive into my conversation
with our guest today, I want to share
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:with you a very exciting project,
the Orange Hatter Women's Retreat.
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:The mission of this retreat is to create
a nurturing sanctuary where women in the
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:Bitcoin space can connect with each other,
recharge batteries, find grounding, and
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:form deep friendships so that you don't
feel so isolated where you are sharing
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:the potential of Bitcoin with the world
while keeping an eye on the fiat system.
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:This retreat is going to
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:I am partnering with the
Yucatan Project in Mexico.
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out later this week.
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:Keep an eye out on Twitter
at Orange Hatter Pod.
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as they are finalized.
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:Spaces are very limited, and
they're going to fill up fast.
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:So sign up for it when the registration
and I will see you in Mexico.
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:And now we're going to.
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:Continue with our podcast.
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:Here is my conversation with
our wonderful guests today.
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:Hey, Gillian, thank you so much
for coming to Orange Hatter.
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:I'm so glad you're here and I can't
wait to dive into your stories.
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:Gillian: So thank you for having me.
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:Tali: Let's start by just giving
us a little bit of your background.
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:Gillian: many, many years ago, 55
years ago, I was born in Malaysia.
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:I was raised there till I, till I
was 13 and my parents sent me , to
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:Singapore to study because they
have a better educational system.
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:It was in English, not MLA, so I was
there for my, uh, secondary school,
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:we call it, under the English system.
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:But then I, I went to college in the
States because I wanted to study film.
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:And there wasn't film
in Asia or in England.
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:, but I didn't tell my parents
I was going to study film.
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:They wouldn't have
allowed me at that time.
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:, so I did go to New York, , all by myself.
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:really looking forward , to
finding the America.
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:, I thought I knew from the
cinema, from the films that I saw
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:growing up, but I didn't find it.
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:And most of the films at that time
, were set in California anyway.
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:I thought about going to California
or even Boston for film school,
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:but then somehow something
asked me to go to New York.
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:So I went to New York, the
toughest place at that time.
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:But I think New York really
helped to, toughen me up in a way.
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:In many ways, you know, , my
own security, safety, I started
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:learning Chinese when I was there in
Chinatown because NYU is very close.
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:It's still very close to Chinatown I
was, basically ethnically Chinese, but
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:I never grew up learning or speaking.
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:I spoke some Cantonese, you know, like
home Cantonese, my family's Hakka.
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:So they spoke to us, my grandparents
spoke to us in Hakka, but we
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:would answer in Cantonese.
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:So , I met some people in Hong
Kong in the film industry and
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:became good friends with them.
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:And that gave me this.
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:This whole dream that I was trying
was nurturing at that time is
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:that I want to live in Hong Kong.
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:I want to be in the film industry,
you know, I want to be with these
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:people I see on TV all the time.
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:so I went to film school and then started
studying Chinese , in Cantonese, actually
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:reading Chinese characters in Cantonese
so that I could read scripts in Hong Kong.
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:So when I graduated, went to
Hong Kong, worked for two years.
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:, on one of the films where I was
working and filming in Spain, two
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:events, live events took place that
just got my attention and said,
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:you have to pay attention to these.
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:I was 21 at that time.
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:I graduated early, you know,
kind of typical Chinese.
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:Let's finish your education as fast as
possible, save money and start working.
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:So at 21, , when I was abroad
in, , Spain, working on a film,
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:two events took place that made me
really have to think about myself.
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:And it was about coming out
actually, , as a lesbian at that
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:time, but it was so frightening.
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:It was 35, how many?
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:Yeah.
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:No.
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:Yeah.
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:35 years ago, that I
needed to take time off.
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:So I quit.
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:The film, the only way I could take
time off without telling my parents
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:immediately coming out would be
this is too scary at that time.
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:I thought I needed to go back to school.
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:So I went for a master's degree, and
I thought I had three cities to choose
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:I wasn't into Europe at that time.
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:So just the States and New
York, , because there was somebody
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:So I went back to New York and I got
into a good school because that's the
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:only way that I could have convinced
my parents to sponsor me for a master's
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:degree, you know, I had to be in an
Ivy league, so I got into Columbia and
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:I did that program that was very well
recognized and then moved to Japan.
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:I majored , in, , what we call East Asian
languages and cultures and majored in
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:Japan, but that's because I had nothing I
wanted to study, but I wanted to find out.
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:About my own identity, because the
first time when I went to America,
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:I'm going to be in America.
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:I didn't resonate with any of my
classmates, schoolmates that
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:35 years ago, I was wanting to make.
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:Films about, okay, coming to
another country on my own.
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:And what does this mean?
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:And most of my classmates wanted
to make films about car chases,
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:sex, smoking, action movies.
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:I, I didn't feel like I, I fit it.
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:So when this chance came up to, to go take
two years off, , my life, uh, I thought,
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:So I wanted to look more
deeply into my, my identity.
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:So I thought, you know, I'm
Asian, I guess, but, , I'm
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:Well, I speak some, I can, I could only
read in English at that time and some
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:So I went to Japan and say, I
want the Japanese are Asian.
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:But they're so different.
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:So I wanted to understand what it was
to be Asian from their perspective.
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:So I did my master's in that, went to live
in Japan for a year, loved it, loved being
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:learning about Japan and Japanese culture.
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:There's so many things.
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:I felt like the language, the culture gave
me, how would I say, they kind of made
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:real, , some human experience that I would
have had, but now there is a word for it.
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:Now there is a group of people
who lived around this concept.
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:So it was really nice.
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:I felt at home in many ways and yet
totally, totally a foreigner , in Japan.
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:, and then I met my first partner there
and, uh, instead of settling down
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:in Japan, she was, , sent to teach
Japanese , in Thailand and then We left.
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:So we went to Thailand and
subsequently to the States, to
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:Spain, and then came back to Japan.
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:And that's one part of the story.
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:At that time, because I always lived
more for love than anything else.
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:, After leaving film, I studied,
well, humanities, but I was
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:always interested in food.
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:You know, I think that's very Chinese.
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:Food.
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:And I always wanted to have a restaurant,
a cafe, but somehow it never happened.
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:And when we moved, when we moved
to Thailand, I started, that was
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:when computers, I always loved
the Mac ever since I saw one.
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:So I use the Mac.
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:30 years ago when I was
doing graduate school.
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:And then , just before, well, when,
when I went to Thailand, so I was,
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:I had a Mac, I brought it with
me and I just went deep into it.
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:The internet was just
starting at that time.
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:So I bought books and books and books
of manuals and I read from first page
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:to the last page and I taught myself and
then whatever I didn't know, I found a
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:BBS, you know, a bulletin board system.
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:At that time, I learned how
to connect to the internet.
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:I met all these.
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:Men usually, and I'm like, sit
next to them just to hope to ask a
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:And I was very lucky.
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:I've met people who are very
generous and very sincere.
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:So I learned a lot.
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:And then I kind of created my own job.
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:Where my, my partner was working
and I, I, uh, helping them, , put
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:their network together and put
them, create a website for them.
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:So I was learning every
day and being paid to learn.
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:And I was so excited at, like, every day
I would spend more than 10 hours, 15 hours
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:just learning and putting things together.
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:And so when we left and went to
San Francisco, I was actually got
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:a job at that time and one of
those new, , technology companies.
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:But, my ex partner
didn't find a job there.
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:And We went to New York and we found, we
both found jobs in New York, me, again in
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:technology, and she in writing and editing
that gave us, , work visas in the States.
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:And that's why we went
back to New York to work.
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:But then I had a little bit
too much of New York by that
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:time, , that was my third day.
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:And then again, this energy from
within when, when change, it's almost
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:like that when the transits on your
astrological chart come, there's
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:almost like these energies are
bubbling and you know that you need
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:to go through some transformation.
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:And then I thought I need to go, I need
to leave and I want to go back to, I
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:want to go to Spain, you know, cause
I had filmed in Spain before, after my
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:first degree, we went to film in Spain.
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:And why?
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:Because in Spain, I
didn't know the language.
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:I didn't, you know, I
didn't know the culture.
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:I've never been to Europe at that time.
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:And I felt like, , I could, I could kind
of reset, like I could feel like nothing.
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:I know nothing here.
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:I'm not tied to anything.
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:I don't have to play by any rules.
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:Now I can feel what I
actually feel inside.
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:That was the first taste of, of Spain.
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:And then now I'm wanting to deepen.
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:So I wanted to go back to Spain.
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:So we went, we went, but at that
time, the internet was still just,
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:you know, like when we, when I started
the internet, there were only like
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:three pages, three websites in the
world that I kept going to, no others.
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:So at that time still, We didn't have
the World Wide Web like we have it
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:today and my partner being Japanese
and, and Spain at that time was, you
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:know, like living in another time,
there was all Asians and Chinese and.
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:And you being made fun of sometimes still.
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:And so she wanted, you know, again,
pressure from, from Japan, parents,
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:Japanese parents think that Japanese women
had to get settled one way or another
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:into a job or into a marriage by age 30.
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:And we were just at 30 at that time.
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:So then we decided to go back
cause she wanted to go back.
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:So I went back to Japan
and that's the first part.
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:Tali: And that's just the first part.
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:I mean, so much has happened.
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:Gillian: Yeah, that I was, I was 30 then.
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:Tali: Yeah, so we'll dig into the next 25
years in a minute, but I just want to, I
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:So you left home when you were 13
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:Gillian: Yes.
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:Tali: and you were basically independent.
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:Gillian: Basically I was sent to
boarding school the first year.
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:Yeah, but tough.
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:Boarding school in Singapore.
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:Tali: I'm sure.
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:I'm sure there are stories there.
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:, moving around so much like going
to Malaysia, to Singapore, to New
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:York, to Japan, to Spain, to Japan,
to Spain, again you have to stay so
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:flexible and , almost chameleon like.
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:to adapt to your environment.
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:Talk to us a little bit about that.
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:That must have been a personal
struggle or was it just very easy?
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:In your story about adapting to
the internet in those early, early
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:days when people were, a lot of
people were questioning if it
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and you were already deep diving.
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:Walk us through your, your mindset.
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:Gillian: Okay.
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:Never thought about that.
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:the first, well, I had some difficulties,
like, you know, trauma growing up at home.
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:So in some ways leaving home was It was
a double edged sword for me at that time,
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:because I was just doing better at school,
I had good friends, I didn't want to
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:leave, but yet, leaving home or leaving
my family would have given me some freedom
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:from some breathing space, I felt, and
I, I do believe somehow in timing, and
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:I do believe in things happening, um,
in a way that is Not accidental, or we
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:can think of it as okay, it happened
and therefore a certain energy is in
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:place and then I might ride that energy.
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:So it depends on how
we want to look at it.
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:But a year before my parents sent me away
at 13, I met some adults, I was kind of
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:always precocious, and some adults that
were actors and actresses in Hong Kong,
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:who's videotapes I grew up with, watching
these series and I got along very well
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:with one of them who was 10 years older
and she was like a big sister to me.
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:I was a little sister to her.
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:And because I was always looking for
some other, some other, I don't know,
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:someone to love me, I guess, you
know, who cared for me, who saw me.
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:Who gave me time and attention.
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:, I, then when I did well in
school, , my parents, , rewarded
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:me with whatever I wanted.
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Hong Kong by myself and stayed
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I was exposed entirely to the film
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:I was with adults all the time.
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:And I, from that time, I always
thought I want to go back.
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:So I think and then since then, you
know, after that Hong Kong, let's say
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:I went to school in in New York and
immediately the people that came to my
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I had trauma at home with All that.
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:it's always some overseas Chinese of
family that helped me You know, so in Hong
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Kong friends, they always like open their
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:I was looking for connection.
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:I was looking for love, right?
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:Love in the bigger sense.
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for, uh, to learn also that I'm
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learn, of course, not just everything
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:So I didn't think about in terms
of flexibility, but I think
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being sent to boarding school.
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those rules and not be depressed
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angry, I couldn't express them.
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:Who, to whom could I express?
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still be well, so I think that probably
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think, in the Chinese family, whether
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lots of drama going on, like the book.
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:family, you know, jia, like
ba jing, every, all the
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:You have 20, 30 cousins, I don't
know, 20 aunts and uncles and stuff.
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I think was also complex.
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have been part of it.
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connection, and also recognized, , how
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and appreciation for those people who
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to connect with people, you know, so it
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in Chinatown , in New York when I was
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go to school, Chinese school, , my old
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bring to him and I became friends with
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friends with people at the Chinese,
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before but now in retrospect, I always
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like I had a lot of my life was within,
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how do I have connection, but I think
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was this inquiry inside, you know,
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of the trauma I had because you needed
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them sit and make it sit okay in yourself.
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don't know, , I don't know why these
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I was 12, just before I left Malaysia.
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:I remember I drew something like a
video player before I actually saw one.
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things, downloads or whatever it is.
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beauty, , by how, how beautiful
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to the ugly computers I saw around
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even a popular film when I was
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:studying in Singapore about how
a computer was responding to you
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:And it was totally, uh, the
internet was like that at that time.
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:How do you make the modem work?
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:Just how, how, how,
how, how the whole time.
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:Tali: I think that's really fascinating
that you simultaneously feel power,
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:not lifting you up, but almost like
pushing you forward and you have the
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:internal energy and you have the inquiry
mindset and the combination of those
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just very interesting experiences.
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first part of your life.
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:Give us a What did you do after that?
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:Gillian: what did I do?
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:So after we got back to Japan.
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:What am I going to do for work again?
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:Oh, should I have a cafe?
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:Like I love that, but I didn't.
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:My partner was working for a
Japanese company that dealt
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that for technology companies.
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think all these things just are meant
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:to be, well, were meant to be one of
the writers, uh, had, I don't know
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:So they were desperately
looking for someone.
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:And since I have some technology
background and I know both
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they asked me to try it out.
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and then they loved it.
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we started our own company
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:for quite a few years, , I was, , excited
because it was, uh, mobile phones were
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:just coming on, the smaller ones, Sony was
picking it, so I was writing the manuals,
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were not translated, that were to be
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:written, I got to meet all the engineers.
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:I go to Epson to meet them and find out
about the this commercial, , printer
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out with and learn about the functions and
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:how do you express this in a clear way.
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have that of curiosity of wanting
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:I guess I always like technology
somehow without even knowing it.
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:You have automatic translation, but even
though Japanese is very hard to translate.
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okay, now I have like 30.
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or three, no, 34 by that time.
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:It was like, okay, I've done the
thing that I'm supposed to do.
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:I grow up, I go to school, I do well
in school, you come out, you get a
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:job, you make sure you can support
yourself, you find a partner, you know,
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:I, I don't feel like I'm elated,
like I like part of my work, but
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:I don't like other parts of it.
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:And all this energy I put into it, how
many people actually read the manual?
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:So I thought, my life, why
am I putting my life energy?
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:And again, this was another
one of those turning points.
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turning points, at least
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:I hated the gym actually, but I went
anyway, because there's not enough, parks
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:and all that , to do things outside And
then I started , weight lifting, and then
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:I thought, Oh, this doesn't feel right.
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:I don't know how to use and somehow when
I do a squat, my thigh started to hurt.
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:And then that's all
coinciding during this period.
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:And my cousin, who's a doctor
mentioned Pilates, my ex partner's
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:friend mentioned Rolfing.
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:And , somehow I knew I had to look up
and I looked up, I read the page and
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:I'm like, this is what I need to do.
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:So when the timing is right for
me, always in my life has always
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:been like a message of voice.
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:I just know I have to do it.
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:I don't go very deep.
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:I just read a little bit.
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:That's it.
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:That's the right thing to do.
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:I have to.
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:So it was hard at that time to
give up a good business and tell
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:my parents, you know, even at early
stages, much more easy for me.
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:30s, I guess culturally,
maybe it's a cultural thing.
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:I'm still kind of concerned about what my
parents thought and how they would react.
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:, but I, I followed my heart
anyway, and I gave up all of that.
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:Went to Boulder, Colorado to
study Pilates, rolfing, all at
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:the same time, totally different
from what I had done before.
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:I had lots of.
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:Body image issues, , growing up as
a girl, but, , I didn't deal with
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:them, , and I know how you just
deal with them by denying and then
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:saying, Well, I'm just going to do
well in school to make up for it.
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:Right.
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:So, but it came a time when I thought
I really need to look at this.
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:Because I cannot live a
full or authentic life.
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:So, that starts that, journey.
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:, I also had stiff shoulders because I
was at the computer so many hours a day.
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:My little finger on the left
side started to, send a kind of
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:numbness up my arm into my neck.
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:And I didn't know what to do.
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:And it's not something like
the doctors would say, Okay,
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:this is what you need to do.
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:You know.
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:So, I look for the solution elsewhere.
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:So Ralphine being a structural
integration, being a physical modality,
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:you know, you start to feel like,
okay, things are changing in you.
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:Pilates was the hardest for me training
to be an instructor because I have
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:to, within a year, a year and a half.
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:do all those things that you need to
do on top of teaching and learning
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:the anatomy or what goes with it and
movement and all that to be able to
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:perform all of those things yourself
and it was a very good school and
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:they're very strict and they keep up
the standards so And it was physical.
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:It wasn't mental.
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:It was something that had to
be manifested in the body.
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:Yeah.
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:So a year and a half, I did that
lots of yoga and, rolfing school.
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:And then after that, I still felt like
there were parts of deeper parts of
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:myself None of these things touched.
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:It was deep inside my neck.
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:I could feel it.
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:Headaches deep inside of me.
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:Some tension deep inside of me.
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:And then of course I was
looking and the thing came.
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:It was cranial sacral therapy.
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:So I spent another two years
studying cranial sacral
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:therapy and that got deeper.
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:So I guess I was peeling layers.
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:I was peeling layers to myself, meaning
I'm getting to know myself better now.
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:, but even after that, I still, I kind of
felt, okay, now I feel more, uh, readier.
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:I felt readier to meet clients
because clients come and you don't
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:know who they're going to be, right?
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:And how they're going to react to you.
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:But then at that moment, I met one of
the most important teachers of my life.
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:Kind of by accident.
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:Again, no accidents.
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:I was doing craniosacral therapy.
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:, , , that was put together by someone
called Franklin Sills, and he
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:was visiting from England in to
Boulder to teach a cranial course.
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:And the wife was coming so I only knew
her as the wife Franklin's wife, and she
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:was going to teach a three day workshop
called coalescence of compassion.
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:And.
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:My teacher, I asked my teacher in Boulder,
I said, um, should I do this work?
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:How, what is this workshop about?
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:He said, well, she's fantastic.
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:You should do it.
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:But then I was really attracted to
these words, coalescence of compassion.
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:So I did do the workshop three days.
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:I sat there just crying.
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:Yeah, it was like, it wasn't that
kind of, it wasn't like that.
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:It wasn't sobbing was I was seated
there present and tears just
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:rolled down and I understood it as.
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:a resonance, a strong resonance when you
hear truth that you don't hear normally.
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:And you see this person in there
in front of you and you can
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:see something you never saw.
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:It's a kind of presence.
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:It's a kind of being able , to hold the
field and to be with the 20 over of us.
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:there in that workshop in a way that
I had never seen, never experienced.
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:And it moved me so much.
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:So I thought, I want to
study with this person.
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:And I thought I could do something
that's related to cranial,
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:but that course didn't run.
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:And the only thing she was doing
was a master's in psychotherapy,
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:in Buddhist psychotherapy.
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:And I'm like, Psychotherapy?
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:No!
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:I don't want to study psychotherapy.
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:Two years!
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:And on top of that, another year
of, clinical practice or something.
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:I thought about it.
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:I was still hoping, looking
for courses, but there wasn't.
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:And then one or two weeks
later, I thought, Oh, if
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:Maura, her name is Maura Sills.
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:If Maura is going to teach
a singing class, I would go.
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:So why wouldn't I go for
psychotherapy or whatever it is?
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:So I said, okay, I'll go.
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:I decided I applied and I went.
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:And this course was in England, in Devon.
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:So another , two years plus
another year of practice.
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:To write my dissertation and it was the
most important thing I did, I think, at
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:the timing to, you know, when I've done
a lot of things and this needed to come
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:into my life to integrate everything.
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:And only after that experience, because
it wasn't just a learning, a mental
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:learning, it was all about embodiment.
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:It was really living the things that
you would read about the experience.
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:It was only after that course that
I felt, okay, now I'm ready to meet
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:anyone in my practice, you know, that
I felt I would be able to handle in a
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:sincere, truthful, responsible way that
met my standards of being a therapist.
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:And then that would.
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:That would be another part of my life
because after that, , I was still in Japan
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:because I went to England and came back to
Japan, traveling many times in the year.
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:And then, , I separated
from my first partner.
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:And then the third, I would
say the third part would start.
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:I was 40.
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:When, when was it?
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:I was 42.
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:Tali: Wow.
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:I'm just mesmerized by your stories.
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:I , it's absolutely incredible that you
followed , the leading, like you, you say
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:when the timing is right and you get a
download and you have instruction and you
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:would just go, even though it's taking
you from one country to another and from
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:one discipline to another, and then to.
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:Change your course because
you were moved by a teacher.
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:I think that's absolutely fascinating
It makes me want to sit in that
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:room with you and just be able to
feel that because I've heard people
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:Describe experiences like that.
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:I haven't personally experienced and
I I wish I could because I'm very
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:fascinated by the whole Concept of health
and when like you were saying you had
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:to peel off layers because we build
them up when we're growing up, right?
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:So you're you're self protecting and for
you to really find What's inside you got
531
:it and it takes time too Like what you
described that you had all these journeys
532
:that brought you different places in order
to kind of shed the layers So now I just
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:can't wait to hear what happens next.
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:So keep going.
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:Gillian: You're talking about layers.
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:I just remembered about this.
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:I'm not very good in Chinese Mandarin,
but, you know, Chan, which is Zen
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:Buddhism actually started in China, right?
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:It's just made known by
Japanese Zen Buddhism.
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:So there is a very famous.
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:Poem written by a Zen scholar or zen
practitioner, where the core, the, the
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:core part is the one that is usually, um,
quoted and it, I think you might know.
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:It says,
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:and then,
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:which is like the three of consciousness.
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:So the first one, the third one, which
is in English, if I were to translate,
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:right, it would be like, you look
at the mountain, it's a mountain,
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:you look at the water, it's water,
because water in Chinese usually
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:represents lake, ocean, whatever.
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:And then the second stage would be you
look at the mountain, it's not a mountain,
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:you look at water, it's not water.
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:And then the third stage, you look
at mountain, it's a mountain, then
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:you look at water, it's water.
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:So the first and the third stage,
they look so similar, but it's
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:a totally different reality.
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:Yeah.
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:So that was, that's fascinating,
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:peeling those layers.
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:Like we think when, whenever we think
of something that we, we don't like
560
:now, we always think, Oh, we should go
back to the thing, how the past was.
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:It wasn't like that.
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:It's not like that.
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:You know, it's not like, Oh,
if only I were a child again.
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:If only we could be innocent like that.
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:No, you cannot.
566
:It's not the place to go.
567
:It's the other direction.
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:It's a different kind
of innocence, you know.
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:And that's beautiful.
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:I want that.
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:The thing that I want the most is actually
a conscious death that I choose to go.
572
:And that for me would be the
ultimate, uh, reaching of myself
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:Tali: What do you mean conscious death?
574
:Gillian: Meaning, like, I know it's
time and I am there with myself.
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:I would imagine I'm probably lying down.
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:I probably wouldn't be seated and die
like those, uh, abbots of the past, but,
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:, probably be lying down and I'm very, very,
very conscious, very aware, very present.
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:And I choose to leave my body.
579
:I've had those experiences.
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:I felt like During this third part of
my life, after the separation, I was at
581
:that time actually in a relationship with
someone, , who's married, thinking that
582
:she would be leaving the relationship.
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:That's the impression I
got, but it didn't happen.
584
:And then it got drawn out and was
very painful for me because it
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:was antithetical to everything
I found, I cherished in life.
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:Openness, honesty.
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:You know, uh, just feeling
totally free in what you're doing.
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:And that pushed me to, and because
of the nature of that relationship,
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:it pushed me to go deeper.
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:And I wouldn't have if I didn't.
591
:But because there are two times in my
life I felt like, you know, like you
592
:felt, you feel like you're totally
without, energy that you just have to,
593
:you don't have agency anymore, almost.
594
:Like, you just need to survive.
595
:The first was a very interesting
experience in, Buddhist psychotherapy
596
:school where we sit together.
597
:And because I just don't know how
to tell you, I don't think this is a
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:very common experience where, , the
teachers were so skillful to, because
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:a lot of things need to be allowed
to come onto the surface, right?
600
:And then that's when you
have a chance to resolve it.
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:Just like the economy, you know, so,
but the people holding that space for
602
:that to happen is what makes a difference
to on top of the players, of course,
603
:but there was this experience when
I was in a circle with that group in
604
:school, but I felt I was decimated into
like little pieces like I disappeared.
605
:You know, it's a very interesting
experience to not be so solid, to not
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:be like, you know, like you say, we
have learned, we learn to survive.
607
:Right.
608
:And usually there's a bit of solidity
in that survival and that beingness.
609
:And then the second time was, , when , in
this relationship, I had a difficult
610
:time when that person just cut off
contact with me when she was sick.
611
:And that was too much for me to handle.
612
:And I felt like I wasn't,
I just lost all my energy.
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:I couldn't, that was like a big hole
that no matter what energy came out.
614
:It would just drain and that kind of
state was the only reason I guess why
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:you would just do whatever someone
that you trust will tell you and that
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:someone was one of my ex classmate from
the Buddhist psychotherapy training.
617
:And she said, Hey, you know, maybe
you should see this astrologer.
618
:I said, okay, and I went online, I
saw the astrologer, and then that
619
:astrologer then mentioned some things.
620
:It's not even important anymore what
she, what we talked about, but again,
621
:you know, these messages come, and
there were two things she mentioned that
622
:made me, okay, I gotta look up more.
623
:She told me about, , star seeds,
and she told me about Bashar.
624
:Do you know Bashar?
625
:Tali: I don't know But sure,
but I have heard of starseeds
626
:, , Gillian: so Bashar is a extraterrestrial
entity that's channeled, has been
627
:channeled for 40 years now by a
filmmaker, actually, in Los Angeles.
628
:And his teachings for
me, they're just perfect.
629
:They just speak directly to me.
630
:They're very clear.
631
:There's nothing, no cult, no
religion, no nothing, just more
632
:like, , quantum physics and
633
:just another way of looking at the same
thing, just change your perspective,
634
:same thing, and it's totally different.
635
:So, from there, I was more exposed to,
I started listening to his things on
636
:YouTube, you know, just trying to recover.
637
:And then the thing from the
starseeds led me to Dolores Cannon.
638
:She's passed since.
639
:that time, but she's written books and
books about hypnotherapy and how she
640
:would encounter, you know, about Dolores.
641
:Yeah.
642
:And she would encounter these,
what she calls a subconscious that
643
:is a larger presence that would
then she would be talking to and
644
:getting all this information.
645
:So it started me on this kind of
more, areas where in life, , maybe
646
:given my, , tendency towards, I
don't know, I guess practicality I
647
:may not have dived into, but I did.
648
:And then through Bashar.
649
:, I went to swim with the dolphins.
650
:I went to swim with the whales.
651
:And then I, I was also teaching rolfing.
652
:but then I met somebody, uh, while I was
teaching that told me about ayahuasca.
653
:Actually, the second time I heard about
ayahuasca, the first time was when I was
654
:in rolfing school and I visited Brazil,
but it didn't speak to me at that time.
655
:But then this second time,
I thought, oh, it's time.
656
:And then I asked and it was in Peru.
657
:So during those few years, I was
intensely doing all these kinds of things.
658
:I went to all kinds of, , Bruce
Lipton, you probably have heard of.
659
:The biology of belief.
660
:I did the psych K thing
that he recommended.
661
:It just went everywhere.
662
:And I did shamanic studies.
663
:, went to Esalen, did a lot of other
things, tapping, all kinds of things.
664
:And, , five rhythms, which I love also.
665
:Have you, do you know about five rhythms?
666
:It's a, it's a kind of dance where you,
you really can transform through it.
667
:Yeah.
668
:So, It just totally now opened my
life to something else, but I thought
669
:they were all necessary to make my
life more well rounded and fuller.
670
:And during one of these classes, the Site
K class that Bruce Lipton, , recommended.
671
:Where was I?
672
:I don't remember.
673
:Somewhere in the States.
674
:iT was during that time I had
done a death and dying workshop
675
:in the shamanic studies.
676
:Where you could, go and help
those people who had not moved on.
677
:To move on and then right after that
I did this workshop and this workshop
678
:is about reprogramming yourself and
I was very much into being deep into
679
:myself, and I already know how to go
into get into the cranial state by that
680
:time, so that those few nights when I
was doing the course at night, I would
681
:feel like I could feel like my, I could
will my a a energy to leave my body.
682
:And I had done some, , hypnosis work too.
683
:And in the hypnosis, sometimes you
can also feel that kind of leaving.
684
:So then I, I could, I felt
like, wow, I can will myself.
685
:So I start to learn to how, how can
I fall asleep in a different way?
686
:How do I, so those things.
687
:And when I felt, okay, there is a way
where I can, and in one of the hypnosis,
688
:I was Leaving my body when I died in that
life, because this is, , Michael Newton's
689
:work on, , hypnosis and what is it called?
690
:, I forget now journey of souls.
691
:I think the book about what
you're learning as a soul.
692
:So the hypnosis always
brings you to your death.
693
:So in that death, I, I could literally
feel my energy, leave my body.
694
:It was very embodied.
695
:So I remember all of this.
696
:I put things together and during those
few nights, I felt like I could actually
697
:leave and come back, leave and come back.
698
:Not, not far.
699
:I'm not those that you go
astral traveling and come back.
700
:No, it was really real here.
701
:Like I would go up to up,
maybe up to the ceiling.
702
:I'm like, Oh, my hand.
703
:Is it going to go through the ceiling?
704
:Things like that, but it was very real.
705
:So that's what I like to do.
706
:When I know it's time.
707
:Tali: very, very fascinating.
708
:I think we're going to have to do a bonus
episode to dive deeper because, , , I just
709
:think that , this area is very mysterious.
710
:And a lot of people probably have
a great misunderstanding of the
711
:experiences you're talking about.
712
:So we'll do a deep dive on that
in a, in a different episode.
713
:But so, okay, so I feel like your life
has prepped you to the point where
714
:you're going to encounter Bitcoin.
715
:Gillian: Totally.
716
:Totally.
717
:It
718
:Tali: talk about that.
719
:Gillian: So, actually, it was a
third encounter that I listened.
720
:Because that was when I wanted something.
721
:I needed something.
722
:But I remember the first time,
because I'm so into computers.
723
:Many years ago, probably in
:
724
:Somebody asked me, hey, do you
want to do this mining thing?
725
:I said, what?
726
:Like, what do I have to do?
727
:I said, Oh, you have to turn, keep
your Mac book on the whole time.
728
:I said the whole time.
729
:No, no, I'm not going to, it's going
to kill my, my book, my Mac book.
730
:I thought, so I didn't do it.
731
:And then the second time I was already
a therapist and someone asked if
732
:I would take Bitcoin for therapy.
733
:And I, I mean, for rolfing or something.
734
:And I said, no.
735
:, because I'm like, what?
736
:Bitcoin, what am I going to do with it?
737
:I don't, it's too much trouble.
738
:And then the third time was
when I, it was very late.
739
:It was 2020.
740
:I wasn't, I was living in Lisbon
then and the pandemic started.
741
:, I.
742
:moved with my partner, my current
partner to, after six months in
743
:Lisbon, I said, no, we need nature.
744
:We moved to live in Bali for a year.
745
:During that time, I was
thinking something's not right.
746
:What's going to happen?
747
:Like something's just not, I've been
asking like, Hey, where should, which
748
:bank should I put my money into?
749
:Because, this money thing is not small.
750
:It's not a small matter
in a Chinese family.
751
:It's central.
752
:And I always pushed back on investments,
you know, things my parents, my
753
:family, my sisters were interested in.
754
:It never felt right to me.
755
:And every time I try to do
something, I would fail.
756
:So I said, no more.
757
:And then I thought, never, I
just keep my money in the bank.
758
:Right.
759
:I didn't know about inflation.
760
:I mean, I did, but I didn't
know everything at that time.
761
:So I thought.
762
:Nothing.
763
:And I can't just invest into any
fund or any company because I don't
764
:agree with the things they're doing.
765
:So I'm like, what do I do with my money?
766
:Just leave it there in a term deposit.
767
:And I let that happen for like 20 years.
768
:I was once rich , and
then I wasn't anymore.
769
:And then I was like.
770
:What do I do?
771
:Which bank should I put my money in?
772
:It's going to collapse.
773
:So then I asked a friend who was more into
these things and he mentioned Bitcoin.
774
:This time it was different.
775
:Bitcoin.
776
:That's it.
777
:It's like when I heard Pilates,
Rolfing, or when I met Maura.
778
:And then I just, he sent me two videos.
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:They're not even the best videos,
like Raoul Paul, not the right person
780
:for Bitcoin, but it didn't matter.
781
:I just listened.
782
:I'm like, this is it.
783
:This is it.
784
:And I started, I know nothing because
I had stopped being in technology
785
:for a long time going into these
alternative medicine or therapies.
786
:And I just had to start from scratch.
787
:So every day, every day in Bali,
while I was gardening, I was listening
788
:to podcasts nonstop, so many holes,
so many holes, but immediately I
789
:thought this is the right thing to do.
790
:And immediately I bought some,
my friend , held my hand and
791
:showed me how to use Kraken.
792
:And then.
793
:It was December in 2020, and then the
price was just going up like crazy.
794
:But then I thought, I have to
do that to get my money out.
795
:And because I've lived in so many
countries, I had bank accounts in
796
:so many countries, and the more I
wanted to take out, the more difficult
797
:I realized it was going to be.
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:They wouldn't give me my money.
799
:It's like, what?
800
:Like, why do you ask all these
questions when I'm going to do?
801
:So, but I was able to,
and I was very lucky.
802
:, I just put everything into it.
803
:Everything.
804
:Because that's the only way
I felt I didn't have to worry
805
:about what's going to happen.
806
:and I didn't know when it was going to
happen and it felt so right that with
807
:this money we can finally be free.
808
:So I was trying to free myself
and help people free themselves
809
:, through therapy, but we will never
be free without a free money.
810
:And I was like this white elephant in
the room was missing in all this therapy
811
:and alignment stuff I'm trying to do.
812
:We need to align with money.
813
:And so that was actually for me, the last
piece coming together, although probably
814
:money is the first piece of many people,
but it's like it had to come last for me.
815
:And like, this is it.
816
:This is the final
alignment needs to be made.
817
:We cannot write the
Buddha was able to do it.
818
:But how many people can be Buddha
He had to go through all he lived
819
:in a time of manipulated money.
820
:Even though he had it, but it's still
he was worried about concerned about
821
:other people, and he was looking for
a way within right to find happiness
822
:and peace and equanimity in that world.
823
:And he found it right and he
taught us he gave us the teachings.
824
:But imagine if we didn't, if that
money part was taken care of, how
825
:much easier, how much, well, not
necessarily that we would do it
826
:anyway, because it's still a choice.
827
:Because I actually did, , I gave
a presentation , , this year in a
828
:small Bitcoin conference retreat in
the Philippines, in Boracay Island.
829
:And I did one on Bitcoin and spirituality
and So I took the teaching, The Four
830
:Noble Truths, the Buddha's teaching,
where the fourth truth is the Eightfold
831
:Path, the Noble Eightfold Path.
832
:And if you look at all the Noble
Eightfold Path, Bitcoin, or sound
833
:money like Bitcoin, can help you really
more easily achieve, Five of them.
834
:But the last three are out.
835
:We need to want to beat that.
836
:We need to go into meditation.
837
:We need to want to go deeper
into ourselves beyond money.
838
:What money can help of
sound money can help.
839
:So for me, telling people about
Bitcoin, helping people understand,
840
:helping people use it self custody.
841
:That's my thing.
842
:I really want to help people do that.
843
:It's the same as for me giving a session.
844
:Of alignment.
845
:How do you find your body?
846
:How do you find a line in yourself
where your physical body your emotions
847
:your thoughts and your spirit are one
and at peace So what do we need to do?
848
:So there's the same for me.
849
:It's the same
850
:Tali: I have never heard of
Bitcoin described in that way.
851
:That is the final alignment.
852
:So I want to dig deeper about that
because I love the way you explain
853
:it in terms of spirituality.
854
:Because, I think in America, there's
an of anxiety, So many people are
855
:on antidepressants and whatever else
they're doing to cope with anxiety.
856
:And we keep treating
the symptom of anxiety.
857
:But like you said, what is the core?
858
:Anxiety doesn't come from nowhere.
859
:It's not just that we.
860
:We tend to worry.
861
:We worry for a reason.
862
:That's a reaction that our body is
having to something in the environment.
863
:So talk to us a little
bit more about that.
864
:It is so fascinating to hear you talk.
865
:Gillian: Well like you're
saying Anxiety just take me.
866
:I feel like i'm pretty lucky I'm,
not born into a lot of wealth But
867
:I was never wanting of anything.
868
:My parents gave me what I
needed, maybe even more.
869
:And I have my whole body.
870
:I don't, I'm not missing anything.
871
:So, but even then, I know
I, I earned some money.
872
:I didn't do bad things with my money,
but , I don't know how to protect it.
873
:I had anxiety, of course, because we don't
know what life is going to cost tomorrow.
874
:Tomorrow, meaning 10 years
later, 20 years later.
875
:And it's just the opposite, right?
876
:When we are older, we want to
not worry about things like this.
877
:And in this society that we live
in, where the money is totally
878
:manipulated, it's the opposite.
879
:You have to worry the older you get.
880
:When, when we are not, we should
not be thinking about such things.
881
:And I, I think of that as just, , even
though not all anxieties come from
882
:money, but a lot of it is related.
883
:You, you just trace
where the anxiety goes.
884
:Like it's like following the
money, you actually get to money.
885
:Right.
886
:what I try to do in my therapy sessions.
887
:Is to, like, I want to find
the fastest way, right?
888
:The easiest, most efficient.
889
:The things, the thing
that makes sense the most.
890
:Something that you can
start doing immediately.
891
:And what is that?
892
:Well, anxiety and all sorts of inner
discomforts, uh, physical as well.
893
:They come from a place where
we feel a lack of resource.
894
:Whether it's inner resources
or outer resources.
895
:And the inner resource is, , we
forget that we live in gravity,
896
:but we live in gravity.
897
:Everything lives in gravity on earth
and nobody really yet understand
898
:what, understands what gravity is.
899
:They're still changing their,
, definitions of gravity now, but it
900
:is a universal force, let's say,
and I can call it the God force
901
:is acting upon us all the time.
902
:And if we are not aligned with gravity,
when we're seated, standing, walking,
903
:running, whatever, we're fighting
with it the whole time, are we not?
904
:Just like a plant that's not getting
direct sun, it needs to go sideways,
905
:and now all the parts that are not
supported, not straight, let's say,
906
:not stacked, it's fighting with gravity.
907
:And that's why those trees usually tend
to be very skinny, because most of the
908
:energy is used in also staying upright.
909
:If we can align our body with gravity,
there is a place, not just the physical,
910
:, you know, how we put ourselves in poses.
911
:I don't mean that alignment,
because that is a fake alignment.
912
:You can do that, but then you're
not going to feel good inside.
913
:But the one where you feel good
inside, you can actually, uh, you
914
:can feel that, uh, dropping, where
you're not holding yourself up.
915
:That is the alignment with gravity.
916
:And when you, when you're in
that place, not all of us can
917
:go because of the patterns that
we've, we've lived all our lives.
918
:And if you're, if your pattern is very
strong or you're, some things are really
919
:out of alignment, you might not be able
to stand in that place, but you can get
920
:closer, but let's say you get to roughly
a good place, you will feel that you're.
921
:Your whole relationship to yourself
and to the outside changes.
922
:And that is when I, one thing I would call
a resource, that is internal and external.
923
:Because external, because there is gravity
acting on you, and if you find where
924
:gravity is, , you can stand effortlessly.
925
:But if you don't, then you're
fighting with it though.
926
:And imagine if I'm
sitting like that, right?
927
:I can be very engaged with you in my mind.
928
:But I cannot integrate my body, but
most people are not thinking about it.
929
:And then what is coming out of me
cannot come out from all my cells.
930
:I can't be speaking to you
with my whole body present,
931
:agreeing with what I'm saying.
932
:I need to, because I'm sensing my
body, my body needs to agree with me.
933
:Otherwise I will feel like I'm lying.
934
:So all of that.
935
:Tali: Such an interesting
way to think about life.
936
:I'm thinking of it in application
to myself and my kids and my husband
937
:and everybody I know, I wish they
teach this kind of stuff in school.
938
:We were talking before about
homeschooling and I just feel
939
:like we've done such a disservice.
940
:To our kids when we don't teach them
how to build up from inside first We
941
:are so quick to throw knowledge at
them we just want to fill them up with
942
:our wisdom and our experiences but
the true strength comes from inside,
943
:Gillian: Yeah.
944
:And the funny thing is that
children actually know that place.
945
:It's the education that
takes them out of that place.
946
:At least the education
that we've known so far.
947
:Tali: yeah I feel like
that's another bonus episode.
948
:we need to do Okay
949
:Gillian: send you some photos of
what alignment looks like.
950
:You see it because it's something
we know and we recognize.
951
:It's not something new you have to learn.
952
:It's almost like, Oh, of course.
953
:It's like that.
954
:Me sitting there is like, of course, you
know, in that workshop of the three days
955
:where I was crying kind of like that.
956
:And I feel like Bitcoin is there in
that alignment, but I haven't found
957
:people in the community, to speak
to about about this, , how, because
958
:the, I guess Bitcoin is still so new.
959
:We are still all fighting just for people
to understand it, understand what the
960
:economy is, and, learn how to use it,
not to be afraid of it, things like that.
961
:So, , lots of developers working
on it, Noster, , all of that.
962
:So I totally understand, but
I would love to have some
963
:conversation or sharing around.
964
:This other alignment that I feel that
Bitcoin has, because, if we don't do,
965
:let's say of the, , the noble eightfold
path, if we don't do those three that
966
:money doesn't touch, we will not live
the whole, let's say, teaching the truth
967
:for me, the ability to come into what
they call the four, , immeasurables,
968
:the feeling of love and compassion
and sympathetic joy and equanimity.
969
:These things, money can't
bring you, it can help you.
970
:It can help you go there, but unless you
decide to do that work, we don't go there.
971
:So for me, Hey, we have Bitcoin.
972
:How come not everyone's going there?
973
:Because if you have no Bitcoin, I
understand we have so many problems to
974
:deal with so much suffering in the world,
but Bitcoin can help alleviate all of that
975
:and let us move further, in our evolution.
976
:Tali: okay.
977
:So what would you say to women who are
sitting on the fence, they've heard about
978
:Bitcoin, they're somewhat skeptical,
they're not going to invest a whole lot
979
:of time into researching it like you
did listening to podcasts hour after
980
:hour, until they're at least somewhat
convinced it's a thing they should pursue.
981
:What would you say to them?
982
:Gillian: Actually, for me, especially
for women, my current partner, Paola,
983
:now she actually has a group, a meetup
group in Lisbon for women to help
984
:give that space for them to ask the
questions that they have and stuff.
985
:But I think especially for
women, it's so empowering.
986
:I started out being like, Oh, okay.
987
:I'm going to first identify
as being a feminist, but it's
988
:like, wow, it's so empowering.
989
:And, , it's empowering not only
because you will your own money,
990
:your custody, your own money,
but to know, to be part of this.
991
:Evolution of life.
992
:This is the next step.
993
:So then if you learn about it,
you're ready for what's coming,
994
:even if it's not Bitcoin.
995
:Let's say if there's something better,
it would be some of the thing, right?
996
:But we'll be going in that direction.
997
:But the thing is Because I'm a therapist,
I always think this, whatever we
998
:have discomforts about, because if
you're not interested at all, you
999
:will not be on the fence, right?
:
00:58:46,232 --> 00:58:47,362
You're, you're not there.
:
00:58:48,432 --> 00:58:51,122
But if you're on the fence, something
is making you uncomfortable.
:
00:58:51,572 --> 00:58:52,962
Look into the discomfort.
:
00:58:53,459 --> 00:58:58,149
Our discomforts are always trying
to tell us something about us.
:
00:58:58,556 --> 00:58:59,946
And it's usually a limitation.
:
00:59:00,372 --> 00:59:02,232
It's something in our belief systems.
:
00:59:02,232 --> 00:59:03,662
It's something in our history.
:
00:59:03,672 --> 00:59:05,202
It's something in the way we think.
:
00:59:05,602 --> 00:59:09,669
Because why would you not
go and find out more, right?
:
00:59:09,769 --> 00:59:12,039
Only after you find out
more you make a decision.
:
00:59:13,184 --> 00:59:17,384
But if there is resistance, resistance
is trying to tell us something.
:
00:59:17,754 --> 00:59:19,664
It's kind of like what they
say in permaculture, right?
:
00:59:19,954 --> 00:59:21,714
The answer is in the problem.
:
00:59:22,257 --> 00:59:27,177
So for me, I will always take every
opportunity in life, whether it's
:
00:59:27,454 --> 00:59:32,034
money related or whatever, that pops
up and says, okay, I find myself
:
00:59:32,064 --> 00:59:33,894
uncomfortable here, what is it?
:
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:41,072
I want to look more deeply and
that's another empowerment because
:
00:59:41,082 --> 00:59:46,262
the only thing we learn in life is
ourselves more of ourselves, because
:
00:59:46,262 --> 00:59:50,886
we only learn about how we feel
about things, how we react to things.
:
00:59:52,136 --> 00:59:55,286
So the more you learn about
yourself, the more resourced you are.
:
00:59:55,806 --> 01:00:01,802
So I think definitely look at it
that way, instead of it's Bitcoin.
:
01:00:01,932 --> 01:00:03,102
I believe in it or not.
:
01:00:03,102 --> 01:00:05,322
I'm skeptical or not this
and that, because then we're
:
01:00:05,382 --> 01:00:07,412
externalizing everything.
:
01:00:07,472 --> 01:00:13,109
And we don't see the gem in the message,
which is about knowing us ourselves.
:
01:00:14,807 --> 01:00:18,107
Tali: Thanks for joining us today . If
the discussion with our guests
:
01:00:18,157 --> 01:00:21,617
resonated with you and you would
like to dive deeper into the world of
:
01:00:21,647 --> 01:00:25,927
Bitcoin, don't miss out on joining the
Orange Hatter Women's Reading Club.
:
01:00:26,347 --> 01:00:28,067
The meetup link is in the show notes.
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01:00:28,497 --> 01:00:32,517
Also, if there are women in your life
whom you think would both enjoy and
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01:00:32,537 --> 01:00:36,517
benefit from learning more about Bitcoin,
please share Orange Hatter with them.
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01:00:37,177 --> 01:00:38,727
Until next time, bye!