Everyone’s got a ghost story, from your grandma to your high school social studies teacher. In fact, some of the people that you least expect (and some skeptics as well), seem to have stories that they just can’t quite explain. One time, I remember talking to someone about ghost stories and he said, “Nothing’s really ever happened to me… well… except that time that heard my grandmother’s voice tell me to stop immediately when I was driving, and I narrowly avoided getting into a car crash that surely would have killed me.” Nope, nothing at all then.

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So, this week, we decided to talk about our personal ghost stories as well as reach out to See You On The Other Side listeners to get their tales of the unexplained, so we could share them for this special episode. Wendy and I are joined by my sister, Allison from MilwaukeeGhosts.com as well as Scott Markus from WhatsYourGhostStory.com and we originally recorded it as a livestream on Facebook.

Here’s the video of our livestream

But there was a ghost in the machine that day, so we didn’t end up listening to several of the listener stories, because of technical issues. However, all of those stories have been saved for the audio podcast for your listening pleasure, including:

• The ghost story Allison and my mother told us when we were kids when our parents lived across the street from a cemetery
• Our family’s strange story of our great uncle seeing an “Angel In The Mirror” right before he died
• A comforting ghost seen by our Patreon, Dr. Ned
• Katie’s story, who as a young girl, was out on the road doing merchandise with a country singer calls us to let us know about a hotel she stayed at where the ghost got a little too friendly
• Former Milwaukee ghost tour guide, Mike J., tells us of a childhood haunting in the “little pink house” that his family lived in
• Allison and her husband’s adventures at the Haunted Larium Manor Inn in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
• Ghost hunter Scott Markus’ adventures investigating in Illinois
• Quick stories recounted by Amy, Jimmy, and Tina as well…

We also read our Patreon C.E. Martin’s story, “The Closet of Terror” from his biographical paranormal novel, Stranger Than Fiction .

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world

of the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

Wendy from the band, Sunspot. We are live

from the CU on the other side, America Ghost Walks, watch a ghost

Story, Hangout, Listener Ghost Stories,

Personal Ghost Stories party today. I am

your man, Mike. Coming on in is

Wendy, my co host and Scott from

what's your ghost story.com. How are you guys doing today? Doing great. Thanks.

Yes. How are you? I well, hanging in

there. Hanging in there and having fun and,

okay, making sure that, everybody's audio is on.

So you guys make sure put a comment or reaction if you can't hear something

or anything like that right away in the comments or reactions so we make sure.

Also oh, we just got a heart for saying that. Thank you.

Oh, we just love hearts. Absolutely, we do.

And also joining us today

is my lovely sister,

ghost writer, paranormal researcher of the year

in Milwaukee, Allison Jornlin. Hey,

everybody. Great to see you. Thank you for joining

us, everyone. Yes. Everybody, I just wanna get make sure Mike get everybody on the

screen today and so we can do some hanging out. So today, we'll be

recording episode 291

of the see you on the other side podcast. And, that

is gonna be our favorite listener ghost stories, plus some personal

ghost stories that we haven't shared on the air yet.

Now when we're talking about, like, our favorite ghost

stories and stuff, like, there's there's stories that you get from

reading them in a book. There's stories that you get, you know, when you research

in an old newspaper. But because we are in the business of

the weird, we also get stories from people

individually. And, I mean, is that something you guys

have noticed? Like, if you tell somebody that you're like, oh, I like ghost stories,

that some people are like, oh, you're a freak, and other people are like, hey,

man. I gotta tell you my story, because nobody else believes

me. I totally get that because, you know, I think

there are so many people out there who

have their own personal stories, but they don't know if you're safe to

tell. They think that, oh, you

know, I might be labeled a crazy if I tell someone my story,

so they know I'm a safe person.

Well, I I know I went on a first date, one occasion, and it

came up that I I wrote a book on ghost stories. And,

and the the it was certainly one of those one one date

only types. And, she's like, you didn't publish it under your real name, did

you? Oh, okay. So you have this going.

So and, you know, I even had trouble. I I rented a room one time

and somebody, you know, they researched me before renting the space to me,

and and they found my ghost story web page and, like, I don't know if

I should rent to this guy. And he confessed later that, like, his son had

talked him into it that it's okay if the guy's a ghost storyteller, that he

lives under your roof. Yeah. It's it's kind of unreal to me that there is

that much of a stigma. Well, and I've noticed, you know, as we've

been attending more and more paranormal conferences over the years

that that's really a safe place where people feel

free to open up and share their stories much more so

than anywhere else, of course. I mean, obviously, it makes sense. And

especially when they find out that we work in this field, we have a

paranormal podcast, then it's it's Mike a much more

easy platform for sharing things like that. Well, I tell you,

I discovered, pretty early on that when you had you know,

when you put up your your shingle or whatever for haunted history and

stuff, that people would start communicating or calling

in stories. Maybe not even anything that

had to do, with your haunted history tour or, like, not even

inquiry on, like, hey. Can I get a group together or anything? But more Mike,

oh my god. Like, calling you Mike they would call the Ghostbusters

is that. Yeah. Absolutely. And, also,

on the American Ghostwalks tours, I've

noticed that, you know, when I when I've been guiding

in the past that, you know, people come, of course, for the

ghost stories, but they want to come there as a

forum as well to share their own stories

and to hang out with other people who,

have their own stories as well. You know, a lot of people are looking

for a forum, where it's safe to

talk about these things. Well, I I tell you, just to kick it off with

a story that I thought was interesting was that, you know, I was contacting

people on Twitter, in the early days of marketing the podcast.

And, you know, I was saying Mike, hey. If you like mysterious universe or darkness

radio, you might like See You Under the Side, and Mike and Wendy doing you

know, just trying to get him into it, writing songs. And alright.

So and I remember so this is from March, like, 22,

2014, so I believe so it's probably me and you are driving

back from, oh, you know what?

This this was even before the podcast. I'm sorry. But we still would have been

driving back from South by Southwest when I received this email, and I immediately sent

it to you, Allison. And it's somebody that sent a this

long message on Twitter saying, I need some kinda help.

Something's going wrong. And then I'm like, well, please send an email. And I

thought it might be Mike, okay. Maybe we can do an investigation or something. But

it ended up being a little more sinister than that. His email is the

title is possession. I just sent a message to

Twitter asking for help for my fiance who has been having some issues in her

sleep. And at first, I took them as night terrors. But when she started

responding, she looked at me and her eyes were black and not hers.

I started to think that this might be something more

than night terrors. Alright. I don't I mean, I I can see why you'd

think that. And so, she would say things

Mike, he is coming. Don't take me. I don't wanna go. But then she would

start choking, gagging for breath, eyes wide open, and I'm holding her helpless. I

then grab my voice recorder just to get some of the things she was saying

on tape. And when I turn towards her after grabbing the recorder, she sits

straight up in my face, her eyes black, and she cocks her

head, smiles, and lays back down. She'd then say things Mike, he

has been here for a long time. He won't leave. She'd say, I was

a fool and that he will kill me. I put the voice recorder in

between some pillows, and she's laying with her back to me sleeping with her face

to the wall. She turned, and I tried to hold her from turning, but she

pushed me right off her, Mike, her eyes still black, and says, he

knows. I said, he knows what? She reached

out and went straight for the recorder. There was no way she knew the recorder

was there. She smiles, cocks her head, calls me a fool

again, and that my foolish ways would do nothing. She asked me over and over

oh, that that that part gets a little dirty. But,

let's just say she asked him, to have sex with her,

the sexual relations with that woman. K. And,

and then when that was happening, she would start choking. She would stop breathing, and

then she'd fall asleep. And then I'd terrified,

and then she'd fall asleep until 4 o'clock in the morning and then

get back up and not remember a single thing that happened.

She'd wake up crying saying he will never leave and that it hurts and

that her stomach hurts and, just it kinda the

story goes on and on, for another few, another

few paragraphs of all this kind of stuff happening.

He's like he's like, it's it sounds far fetched. I know. And

I'm not a religious guy, but I asked god for help. And he

pretty much said, I can't help you. I don't know what's going. I don't

know what's happening. I don't know if I'm causing more of an issue by recording

or by talking and acknowledging it or whatever this is. I don't know, and I'm

getting scared. I don't know what to do. Please help. Now,

Allison, do you remember me sending you that at all?

No. Sorry. No. No. We we we get a lot of

Help is on the way, sir. Help is put on good day. How could you

forget? That's the feel good story of the year. I'm like, no.

I don't know. Sorry. I I I didn't help him.

I I feel terrible now that that you read that to

Mike. But, Yeah. He needs to Mike that to the

Catholic church. I responded to him that he should probably,

he should start by taking her to the hospital and see a psychiatrist. I'm

like, start with that. Sure. Start with the psychological stuff and then let the devil,

like, worry about the devil later. Yeah. Because the the the Catholic church

is gonna do that anyway. They're gonna they're gonna have their own,

psychiatrist look at you True. And evaluate you. And now

I would say to anybody who is in that situation where somebody approaches you with

something as serious as what this guy was talking about. Like, the thing is

I was trying to make sense of what he sent me because it's all, like,

one run on sentence. And I probably wasn't the best

person to send it to at the time because we were in the middle of

traveling back from Texas, probably still hungover from that

weeklong of South by Southwest tour. And And you weren't at, you

know, your full power to battle the devil at that time Right. Being

all hungover. I'm also the last person who's gonna know what to do to fight

the devil. That's not really something that I'm an expert in. I could I

could go to his house. I could, like, videotape

his, girl. That sounds bad. I'm talking a story. But, like,

but, you know, I could I could try to set up some kind of surveillance

so we could see if we could capture any paranormal activity on tape.

But to like, in a situation like that where it sounds

like he thinks that his girlfriend is possessed and not just possessed by the

spirit of, I'm a horrible girlfriend, and I hate you, but the devil,

like, he knows. He knows about the recorder in the sheets. You

gotta call a psychiatrist. You gotta call a doctor. Also, she

might not be that into you, and this might be her way of ending a

relationship. Well, it's kind of elaborate instead of just

saying it's not Mike, it's you, or it's not you, it's me.

I'm possessed. Yeah. It sounds like a Actually Yeah. It's like a

Halloween episode of Seinfeld. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't get out of this

relationship, Jerry. Just act like you're possessed.

Yeah. It's not you. It's not me. It's actually the

devil. Oh, I love

it. So that was I thought that was an interesting listener story, and that

was, like, one of the first ones, that we got. And I

wanted to play some video footage that we have and play you guys

some of our listeners stories that they called in to share their stories with

us. Oh, yay. And so if that's if that's alright with you guys, I'm gonna

share some of the stories, from our awesome see you on the other

side podcast listeners. And we're gonna have to start with

our man, doctor Ned. Doctor Ned is a Patreon,

and he called in to the 40 in line to share

his ghost story with us. And, let's

all take a listen to doctor Ned's story. The thing that

I, I've never been really one to,

see unusual things. I did see a possible

UFO in 1965 or so that

summer camp was up in the sky, just

lights spinning around that couldn't be anything

we know on this planet. But

2,004, my

son's grandmother died. She was 81,

chronically ill for a number of years, And

we buried her at the cemetery in the east out of Madison,

her cremated remains.

And she has spent quite a bit of time at the Grace Hospice Center

in Pittsburgh, wonderful place. And I

was near the doctor who founded that place, doctor Bill Rock.

And I almost worship the guy. And

there was a walkway in front of the hospice care

center where Nana, I'll call my son's

grandma, that's who it was. I adore her.

Where Nana died, oh, about

2 years before, I think. But something told me this

day of July 5th, I think, 2006.

So go to the hospice nurse here in Fitchburg and just walk along this

walkway in front of the center where there was a stone

for a lot of people who had spent time in

hospice care there at a grace. And,

someone said, Nancy, both are world's

greatest wife, mother and

grandmother. And below it was

elbows off the table. You could not put your elbows on the table

with this lady. I don't know if you got smacked.

My voice is kind of porous. I'm not sick. I just,

did a lot of speaking and singing in the last 3, 4 days.

Anyway, so I got to the hospice care center.

Just somebody told me to go there. I went along the walkway, looked

at her stone. When I was looking down at the

stone in this pathway in front of the Grace hospice care,

it was an apparition. My son's nana was

right there. I could kind of see through her, but she looked at me. She

looked a bit younger. All she said was, and I could hear

it. I don't think she was moving her lips, but I'm

okay. The time will come. Then she was gone.

Full time about 15, 20 seconds. She just

disappeared. I wasn't startled by it or afraid. I

just said, wow. I don't understand what happened.

And Mike son is

very practical. Just said, well, these things happen.

And his mom has said, every spring, there's a

cardinal outside her window staring at her.

Birds don't stare for a long time. This one does. That's her mom. That's

her my son's nana. Alright. Thanks, Ned, by

sharing that story, that powerful story of, seeing someone you respected very much

Goosebumps. At the hospice. Who died at the

hospice? And, yeah. And but the things like that, like, that's not the

kinda that's why we're talking about happy ghost stories last week. That's not a

terrifying ghost story. You know? Ned wasn't Mike, I saw nana in Christmas. It

was more comforting. He was like, I saw nana. And, I think that's a that's

a powerful, that's a powerful thing. Yeah. It shows continuance.

And, actually, a lot of lot of, hospice

workers have their own stories as well. They they run into

a lot of strange, phenomena, and I welcome

anyone that that has stories that they they wanna share. We

we had just so many great contributors that that reached

out, but, you know, I would welcome to, keep

contributing, and anybody can call 414-fortean,

f o r t e a n. Right. And we could always do a

follow-up with more listener ghost stories. And, you know, we have another, ghost story

from one of our Patreons that I'm gonna read. It's from his book, but I

wanted to see Scott, I wanna hear about one of your stories from the what's

your ghost story site, and one of your favorites as somebody contributed there,

and then we're gonna jump to Chuck Martin's story from a stranger than fiction. Yeah.

I mean, so many have already come to mind, because just

based on the stories we've already heard, you know, the way one story kinda

reminds you of another great story. And

I I eventually changed my website to what's your ghost story dot com because

I I was able to see the importance of the community

aspect of ghost storytelling. And I first put my book out. I self published it

in 2003, and I was very proud of it. But then so many people came

out of the woodwork and started to share their own stories and and share more

information on other stories that when my book was then picked up by a publisher

and and widely distributed, it was a 100 pages longer just getting

all of the new information into it. And that's only, hats

off to community building. So I think it's very important to

encourage people to to share stories. So I guess I'll I'll tell one that

basically changed the story for me from the first publication to the second

publication. And there's a place in Libertyville, Illinois. It's actually the cover

location of the book. And I covered the story. It's called The

Gate, and Libertyville is in the middle of Lake County, so north

of Chicago, south of Wisconsin, kinda right in the middle there, the the border of

Wisconsin that is. And it had so many outlandish ghost

stories that it just seemed like a a place that was kind of spooky

visually. Therefore, it spawned a whole bunch of urban

legend because it was it always, you know, there's a big massacre of a bunch

of kids that were killed by either a a deranged school

principal or an escaped convict or all of these, like, very outlandish

urban Wendy stories. And, and so I covered it in in my book in the

folklore section and the urban legend section just to say, hey. Here's here's how

stories change from, like, school district to school district, and I found that

valuable from a cultural standpoint and it also just interesting. And then

eventually well, you know, one the first thing that happened that kinda opened my eyes

was I was giving a speech in Libertyville, and a woman came to

hear me talk. And I, of course, I talked about the gate since I was

in its home turf. And she's Mike, well, after my

speech was over, she came up to talk to me and said, I don't think

I have to ask you a question now because I came here to ask you

why my house is haunted, but I live across the street from the gate. And

hearing all these legends, like, obviously, there's something going on in this land and

my property is right alongside it, and I've got an

actively haunted house. It must be somehow related.

But, eventually, I got an email into the website, what's your ghost

story.com. And it was somebody telling

their story about they've they've heard all the urban legends. They were in high

school, and he they, he and a friend went to go check this place out

for themselves. Now how this area looks is that there's this

gate there's this, pathway that goes for less than a

100 yards, and then you get this huge stone wall

and wrought iron fence gate that's open. And then this path just

goes into the woods and keeps going. And once upon a time, there was a

summer camp back there. There was an orphanage back there. Over the years, it

was a lot of different, incarnations, but now all everything is

destroyed. There's just woods. So now it's this huge ornate gate that goes

nowhere, which I think is enough fodder for people to tell some scary

stories. Well, like most people, this guy went with

his friend, and they they arrived full of anticipation and

dread. And then they just see a gate in some woods, and it's actually

not all that spooky. So this is kind of a letdown. Like, well,

we don't wanna just turn around and go home now. We kind of dedicated the

night to this, so let's just go for a walk. We'll go down this path

and go into the woods and just go for a walk. And so this is,

late at night, and just coincidentally or weirdly enough, it was on it

was the night oh, it's coming up. It was the night before Easter. So we

have an anniversary coming up. We can try to if we if we're allowed to

leave our homes, we could maybe see if this happens again on the, on Easter

eve. And the thing I always say about this is, for whatever

reason, as kids, we always stayed up to try to see Santa, but nobody it

was never a thing to, like, try to stay up late and see the Easter

bunny, which is an even more spectacular thing to see.

But so he and a friend, they they walked until this path kinda

came to a t intersection. But instead of going left or right, they saw a

very thin footpath that wasn't even defined, but you could

just see where the the the ground was trampled down a little bit. So they

walked straight ahead. And it was around, you

know, midnight on Easter eve, and suddenly they heard the sound

of a whole bunch of kids playing. And he said, I know this sounds weird

because there's so many legends about children, but we weren't even thinking about the legends.

We just thought, like, why are there all these kids up so late at night

on this night? And he said the sound of children playing

started to get softer and softer and quieter and quieter, and they were just

standing still listening to the sound and trying to hear now this pinpoint of

a sound way off in the distance. And he said, and that's when the screaming

started. And they no conversation needed. They turned

around and started to hightail it to the car. A scream well, a singular

scream, just screaming bloody murder. One scream,

would happen and go away as if a breath is being taken, and

then another scream would happen. And each time they heard the scream,

it was closer to them. And their fear as they were running back, their

car is now in sight. He was so afraid that the next time he heard

the scream, it was gonna be in front of him. That's how close the scream

was getting. Like, this is the most amazing firsthand account I've ever heard of this

location. I've always heard legends, but this is this is what happened to me. And,

I was so excited to hear this story because the first time, you know, again,

hearing a a firsthand, story from this location, I posted it on

the what's your ghost story page. And within a month or

2, somebody else wrote in and said, I've been to where they're talking about, and,

yes, the screams will follow you there. So that's one of the most chilling.

I got goosebumps right now telling it. It's such an amazing

location and amazing story. And, yeah, I thank people for sharing that kind of

stuff. Right. And experience that's occurred to others too. Yeah. Like, that's Yeah.

That's crazy in a great way. Mhmm.

I like it. You know, the thing about the, you know, going to see the

Easter bunny on Holy Saturday, though, that seems kinda nice. Like,

seems kind of a nice thing, to wait up. And the thing

is, though, like, somebody can dress like Santa Claus and be fairly believable. You can

be like, oh, that's Santa. But nobody's gonna dress like the Easter bunny unless

it's Mike somebody, like, steals a costume from the night of the Lepus or

whatever. It requires a lot of commitment, yeah, to, like, go into into

an actual Easter bunny. And, like, only Andy Serkis could really pull off the motions

of it. You know? Right. Gollum. My

precious eggs. I think I told you about all those times. I think I told

you one time about how, and we'll have a ghost story from Allison and my

mother coming up. But, I think I told you guys

that when I was little and one time I got a broken egg for

Easter because I was naughty,

that, then they said, like, the Easter bunny is not gonna bring you anything because

you were naughty, then I I prayed to Jesus that night that he would join

forces with Santa and kick the Easter bunny's ass. Oh.

Sixed. Well, it sounds sounds like you deserve everything you got. You understood the

lesson you were trying to be taught, I see.

So I wanna I wanna read you guys a ghost story, from another one of

our listeners and our Patreon,

Charles Martin. Chuck Martin has been a a fantastic Patreon for a long

time for the scene of Otherside Podcast, and he released a book that you'll be

able to find in the show notes for this episode, othersidepodcast.com/291.

And his book is called stranger than fiction, and his story is about the closet

of terror. Terror. Terror. Terror. Maumaw, my mother's

mother, lived only a subdivision away from the house my parents had built

together. It was a long ride, but my mother and I could actually

bicycle to Maumaw's. Maumaw's home was the same tri level

design as our own. You'd walk up a short set of stairs to the front

porch, step through the front door, and you were in the living room.

On your left was a half flight of stairs leading to the upstairs bedrooms.

Just past them was a closet, and past that a half flight going down to

the basement. Ahead of you was the way into the kitchen and the dining

room. To your right was the bulk of the living room.

After my parents' divorce for a time, my mother and I lived with mama in

the basement. Back then, most of mama's 8 kids had grown up and

moved on. It was just her and my uncle Joe. During the

time my mother and I lived in the basement, I almost never noticed

anything unusual. The basement was just the basement, filled

with boxes of our stuff, some beds, and some furniture.

Upstairs was another story. In particular, there was

that closet door that was always shutting by itself.

The unusual closet was in the living room, the one between the stairs

going up and the ones going down. The door was set so that

the hinges were away from the front door of the house. Any wind

blowing in through the open front door would have pushed the closet door open had

it been ajar. The wind would not have pulled it shut.

But of course, that's what the door did quite often. It would

abruptly slam shut on its own. It was fairly routine, and

no one seemed to pay it much mind. In all fairness, it always

seemed to happen when the front door of the house was open, with just the

screen door shut. Looking back on it, I'll concede that it's very

possible that a breeze blowing from the open kitchen windows through the

house might have slammed the closet door shut. That's the

rational explanation, at least. One nice summer day after

Wendy moved out to our own apartment, my mother had taken me over for a

visit. She, my mama, and 1 or 2 of my aunts were sitting

around talking. My uncle Joe came walking downstairs from

his upstairs bedroom through the living room, then turned and made

the trip down to the basement to do some laundry. I was busy on the

floor, sitting quietly, reading a book, or playing with toys or something.

Suddenly, and as loudly as normal, the closet door in the living room

slammed shut. I was startled as were my mother, aunts, and maw

maw, but they quickly returned to their gossip. In the past, I

had questioned the slamming door. I had been told with a

smile it was just the ghost. I never believed it. On

this day I decided I wasn't gonna sit back and believe the story I

was going to investigate. I asked again why the door had

closed by itself. As usual, my question was

answered with, it's just the ghost. As before, I

wasn't believing it. I offered a hypothesis of my own. It

was uncle Joe playing a joke on me and hiding in the closet.

This theory was greeted with smirks until I got up and

started toward the closet. Someone tried to hold me back, but I was too

fast and evaded their grasp. I crossed the living room, stood

before the closed closet door, and began yelling at the closet, Uncle

Joe, I know it's you. Come out. I was

afraid at the Mike, very afraid. No doubt my

family sensed it. They laughed at me, chiding that I'd better be careful.

Goaded on by their derision, I grabbed at the doorknob, intent to pull the

door open and expose my uncle for the prankster he was.

The knob wouldn't budge though, not one iota.

Even at age 6, I knew that a locked door back then wiggled

a little from side to side before rotation was stopped by the mechanism.

Not this knob. It wouldn't budge. Someone was holding

it from the other side. I beat on the door and yelled at my uncle

to come out. When he didn't, I decided that I had

had enough. I sat down in front of the door, crossing my arms

over my chest, and declaring I wasn't moving until he came out.

A moment later, no doubt having heard all the yelling and laughing from

my aunts, maw maw, and mother, my uncle Joe walked up from the

basement, demanding to know what all the yelling was about.

I was stunned. If uncle Joe was in the

basement. I reached for the doorknob. Again, the women on the other side

of the room cautioned me, laughing and snickering as they told me not to open

the door. I was undeterred. I grabbed the knob,

and it turned easily. I opened the door, and I found an empty

closet. No one was inside it, just some coats and

shoes. What the the women were having a great time now, laughing

and knee slapping and yucking it up, but I wasn't giving up.

I had seen the James Bond movies. There had to be a false panel in

the closet, perhaps put in by my papa before he passed away.

I leaned into the closet, punching and beating at the walls, trying to find a

secret panel. There was none. It was a regular

closet, with no other way out. The walls as solid as

any others in the home. I was completely baffled and

beginning to believe the supernatural I had seen on TV was not

the work of fiction, but something that might just be

real. Wow. Thank you,

Chuck, for that delightful story. Well, formative experience. With the

audience, the the old women taking such pleasure in it, I believe that they were

witches. I mean, Mike, yeah, we know what's up. We're doing this with our

Mike. Oh, yes. We spell. Good point. Good point.

She's a witch. Oh, the poor little kid. That is so

scary. And then you're just getting laughed at by your family. Yeah. Oh,

gosh. Okay. Who wants to watch another listener video? I

do. I do. Oh, I do. Okay. This

one comes from Katie from the Ghost River Society or the Wolf

the Wolf River Ghost Society. I'm sorry. So Katie from the, the Wolf River Ghost

Society. She, lives in Arizona now, but she's

from the, Fox Valley area, And she has a ghost

story for us that's actually music related. So,

let's go see what Katie's up to. A few years back,

my roommate at the time and I would occasionally drive around

the eastern half of the country selling t shirts for a

country singer who was opening for various national acts at the time.

On one of these jaunts, we drove from Wisconsin to Alabama overnight,

driving straight through thunder, lightning, tornadoes, etcetera.

Needless to say, when we arrived at our motel at 4 AM, we were

exhausted. The singer's manager had reserved some rooms there

for us, so we checked in and went right to sleep. The room was

on the first floor with an entrance direct from the parking lot.

My roommate crashed out on 1 of the 2 double beds, and I took the

other one thinking I would fall right asleep. However, I

was apparently just too tired, and instead, I laid there awake

waiting for sleep to come. The light from the parking

lot illuminated the room somewhat, so it was easy to to

distinguish furniture, beds, etcetera, in the half

light. However, as I laid there, I noticed a large shadow

enter the room from the door without opening the door.

This shadow was completely black and blob shaped. It

moves slowly across the room in front of our beds and

then entered the space between the bed I occupied and the wall.

At first, I thought I was just hallucinating. After all, I was very tired.

But what happened next was anything but a hallucination.

Without going into too much detail, this, quote, unquote

shadow tried to climb into the bed and assault

me. It was very real, very solid, and

heavy. Its surface felt like old binder twine and

burlap wrapped around a log as it rolled on top of me.

However, I was tired and very crabby after a long drive. All I

wanted was rest, and here was this damn darn hate

trying to get past first base with me. So instead of

screaming, jumping out of bed, and turn running away like any sane human

might, I got mad and tried to push it off me.

As we struggled, I could feel one part that definitely felt

human. But as I was wearing underwear, it could not get

past that. For for probably 20

or 25 seconds, this thing and I had a test of

strength until finally it seemed to give up and slide off me. The

shadow moved away back across the room and exited the way

it came. Believe it or not, I finally fell asleep after it

left. The next morning, I asked my roommate if she had seen or heard

anything. Of course, she hadn't, but she had fallen asleep right

away. Naturally, I would attribute this to a lucid dream and

nothing more. The next night at the show, I was chatting with

one of the locals and just out of curiosity, to see what she

would answer, I asked if anyone had ever noticed anything different about

that motel. She responded that, yes, there were reports of

odd happenings going on there, but she didn't know any more than

that. So was it real or a dream? I've had

lucid dreams that you wouldn't believe, but I knew they were dreams. This hate

felt absolutely real. And as a postscript,

when we went to check out the next morning, we found that we

hadn't had a reservation at that hotel. Our room

had been paid for, but they still checked us in and let us

go without paying. To this day, I have no idea

where that singer and his manager were staying.

So, anyway, that's that's my story.

That is a very frightening story and all too real for many

people who, report a variety of nocturnal

attacks. I mean, that attack sounds a lot Mike,

an incubus, but, I mean, these stories of the

male demon incubus and the female demon

succubus who come and, attack you sexually

in the night, you know, go back for millennia.

So, this this isn't the first time

we've heard stories like this. You know, they're quite prevalent throughout

history and across cultures, in fact. So

her story, you know, was really great to be able to hear

it. And, she she said that, you know,

she did try to follow-up and find out if there's anything unusual

about the hotel and, then, you know, found

out that there was supposed to be a haunting. But,

never talked to never was able to talk to anyone who had the

same level of experience she had. But the interesting

thing is they did not have a reservation at

that hotel, but the the hotel checked them in as if they they

had and never charged them. So that's that's an unusual

That's wild. Footnote to the story. It reminds me a lot. I I had, you

know, and and as we're all all of us here are tour guides, some of

the best stories that we hear comes from our audiences

sometimes. And I had I was able to do a, a couple's tour

once where I just had 2 people on. It was kind of a date night

thing. And I was like that because you get to really talk and it's more

conversational than presentational. And you could tell

as I'm sure a lot of us have dealt with, like, one person in the

group really was excited about it. The other person was just kind of laughing it

off and not paying that much attention and being maybe a little bit disrespectful even.

And, but, eventually, this guy, asked me. He's Mike, what do

you think about shadow people? And I said and I and I went into the

spiel about what the theories were about, Mike, there's a lot of different theories, but

one of the ones that I like a lot are kinda, like, interdimensional bleed through

whether it's intentional or not that, there are these entities that will

appear usually in your bedroom at night. And once they're seen,

they they fade away pretty quickly, and, they're just kinda Mike observers.

And then he told this story that was so extreme that I thought he was

messing with me. I thought he was wanted to see, like, how far along I'd

go with it. So I was super skeptical at first until he continued and

continued, and you could tell that he was actually fearful while he was talking. And

he he said that he'd been visited by a shadow person, but they didn't

just disappear when he saw them that they he was attacked

by them. And, he said he was, jumped and put

into a bear hug from behind and his arms were, like, pressed against his his

chest, and he was struggling to to get free. And he said at one

point, he got one arm free and he sent an elbow back,

into this being. And I said, what what does that mean? Does it just did

it just go through the shadow? He's like, no, it made solid contact like I

just elbowed a human. And, and it

eventually it went away. And, and so

amazingly, just kinda like the the previous story, I had somebody else

later, somebody that was in the navy and they were on

board a warship and they were attacked by a shadow person in their

bunk. And it was very similar. They both described being,

caught up in a bear hug where they couldn't move their arms. 1 of the

guys talked about the light coming through the window and then being able to see

the silhouette of 2 people struggling. So, like, this thing was even casting a shadow

while being a shadow. And in both cases, this is what was so chilling to

me. And I'm I'm I'm getting the pre goosebumps now as I'm talking about it.

No. I'm Wendy I'm winding up to. In both cases, I asked, like, how did

the fight end? How did it finally go away? And for both

cases, the person realized that they could not win the fight, and that's

when it left. Oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. It's Mike

and so why another thing I love is one of the theories because, you know,

at first, shadow people were looked at as these observers. These,

they just were in the room, and then once they were seen, they left. And

now, people are wondering, is was that the first stage of the

invasion, just observing us? And next was is testing the waters.

This we're in phase 2 now where they're kind of, like, getting to some physical

tussles and then leaving, gaining some information, some experience points.

They're trying to beat us up. Yeah. So I don't know what the you know,

I I I always find it so amazing because you think paranormal experiences, they're

going to be somewhat linear. If somebody's observes a shadow

person today, it'll be the same as yesterday and the same

hell. Mike, that is extremely freaky.

Well, number 1, I wanna thank, Katie for that awesome story

Yes. And for calling it and sharing it with us. Next

up, I wanna share a story from Allison and my mother. Oh.

And the Allison, I just I just called, Judy again

today to see, Oh, yes.

To see if she could refresh my memory and anything. So if you remember anything

differently of these stories, please feel free to jump in. Alright?

So these are some of the stories from including one I hadn't heard yet today.

So some some of the stories from our youth. But, so Allison and my parents

were married in 1960, and they were married in Milwaukee

in 1960. And they're newly married. It's 1961. They're living

in Milwaukee on Wendy Street across the street from Union Cemetery.

And Judy made sure to say today that she's like, well, it

wasn't just, like, kind of on the street. She's like, it really

was right directly across the street. Like, you walked out the door

and you saw the cemetery kind of thing, and that's that's how she described where

they were living. It's about 11 or midnight. During the week, so now on the

weekend, they're already in bed asleep. She wakes up, and

she hears a light knock on the front door

consistently. Bang. Bang. Bang.

Bang. And she's like, oh, I don't know what that is. So she

gets up, and she continues to hear the knock, which is weird

because they're not living in a house. They're living in, a

4 apart you know, a 4 apartment building, and they're on the second floor.

And they're not expecting anybody. They're not even friends with the neighbors. They weren't even

friends with the neighbors when we were growing up. They're not friends with the neighbors.

And she's like, okay. It's just ping. And it's not like an emergency, like somebody

needs help or anything. It's just this slow

knocking on the door over and over again. So,

she wakes dad up and, dad jumps up and

he runs to the closet and gets out a rifle. You know, she didn't even

know he had a rifle, but it was a like Mike hunting a 20 gauge

rifle that he had when he was a kid for hunting, or whatever.

And so, she didn't even know he had a rifle. He grabs his rifle and

runs to the front door. She's like, stop. Don't open the door. And

she the the banging continues. They both hear it, and they're both standing in the

living room. And she calls the police. So she calls

the police, and she says it's on a, she goes, it's on a it's on

a phone that's on the wall that's the same wall they're sharing

with the hallway. And so if anybody's in the hallway or

footsteps or walking away or the door's open, they'd hear somebody. And

as she's on the phone with the police, knock, knock,

knock, the knocking stops, and that's all they hear. And so they don't

open the door again until the police actually arrive, and there was no

one there. And, she said she was

just freaked out about it. She could hardly go back to sleep. And, you know,

being across the street from the cemetery terrified her and also

the fact that the light knocked and they didn't hear anybody go

away. You they she said, I would have heard the door open because I was

the same place that I was all the time when I talk on the phone.

And you know mom, Allison, she talks on the phone all the time. And she

said she would've Oh, yeah. You're right. She said she would've heard somebody

opening the door or somebody leaving because she was used to hearing those noises

in the hallway. So having that happen in the middle of the night and obviously

Mike father jumping to red alert right away, I'm gonna shoot him, was,

Holy overcompensation, Batman. Right. And she the funny thing is she

didn't even know, like, they were just married for a year. She didn't even know

he had a gun in the closet. She's like, I wouldn't have let him keep

a gun in the closet. I didn't even know he had one. So

she tells that you know, she told us that story, but then another

ghost story she told was one that had used to scare her when she was

a teenager. And this one comes from her mother,

Adeline, and, our grandmother. And

Adeline's cousin, her her cousin's husband had cancer for

a long time in 19 fifties. And,

one night, he wakes up in the middle of the night. He looks

over at the mirror over his bureau, and he wakes

his wife up and he says, I just saw an angel in the mirror.

And then she wakes up and goes, what what are you talking about? And he's

like, I just saw an angel in the mirror. She goes back to sleep, and

he goes back to sleep, and he doesn't wake up. He

never wakes up. Right. And so my mother said

when she was a kid then or when she was a teenager and even now,

when she wakes up and goes to the bathroom or something like that in the

middle of the night, she doesn't look in the mirror. Oh, man. Because she doesn't

wanna see the angel behind her. Yes. Because the the angel might be

coming to reap her. But, you know, but that that kind of

thing but then again, but her

mother, Adeline, also, saved our

aunt Paula from a dream, and I didn't realize this. And so in

1983, our cousin we called her our aunt because she was born 30

years before we were. But our cousin Paula, she was living you

know, she was sleeping alone at the time because her husband had passed away from

cancer the year before. And she said she has a

dream where she sees her grandmother, Adeline,

and, Adeline, like, tells her to move or, you know

you know, to move a little bit. She wakes up, and she moves

to the other side of the bed, and she falls back

asleep. She said she woke up a few minutes later, and there was a picture

hanging over the bed. And the picture woulda slammed into

her head if she'd have been sleeping at the same you know, in the same

place. So she had said that,

her grandmother That's a new one. That's a brand new one. And my mom's like,

oh, I never told you that before. I'm like, no. She said that

Adeline visited her in a dream and,

saved her life because, otherwise, the picture would have banged on her head. And Wow.

And so she was a little bit of kind of an explorer herself. When

Adeline was a kid, this was in the beginning of the she was born in

18/97, so she's a little kid in the 1st decade of 20th

century. And she's growing up in a big family in Milwaukee before they

had electricity. And so, her brothers and sisters, when they'd

hear a noise in the attic, Adeline was always the first

to go explore, and then she had a candle. They Oh,

man. They Wendy her up with the candle. They send her up the candle, and

they say, Adeline Adeline, you go first. You got the candle.

And so, anyway, it's fun because our

parents are not what you call paranormal believers by any stretch of

the imagination. But it's a lot of fun when they have

little stories in the family, of paranormal

activity. And so I just wanted to share that one, today,

because she gave me much more details about the knocking on the door. Like, I

didn't know she called the police. I didn't know that dad had a gun.

She just said, we lived across the street from a cemetery and there was a

knocking at the door one time. And I'm like, oh, well, cool

story, Ma. But then today when she tells the story, I'm like, okay. It was

a pretty cool story. So, viewer mail.

There we go. Those are some really good stories. We should do

another family one. This is from Allison's

nephew, Mike Jornan, who It's a really

good one. Who also used to be a ghost tour I mean, ghost

tour guide for the Milwaukee Ghost Walk. So That's right. Let's hear

about Mike's story. In my childhood home, we

had a number of interesting occurrences.

I remember it was my birthday once, and I was

up in our second story facing the stairs. I was

sitting on the floor doing my homework, and I

very distinctly heard footsteps come up behind me. And

I was the only person up there, and I was facing the only way that

anybody could access it. I remember getting up and just running

downstairs. I didn't look behind me to see what might be

there, but this wasn't the first time that something had happened at that

house. Shortly after we moved in,

my parents had heard noise upstairs in that same second floor, and

that's where my brother's bedroom was. So they called up

to my brother trying to see what he was doing because it was past his

bedtime and he should be in bed. And his response was,

mom, dad, who's up here with me?

Now they told that story to my great aunt and great

uncle because we were actually the 3rd generation to live in the house.

And my great aunt and great uncle said that they had regularly

heard people or somebody going up and down

those same stairs. Now

because we were the 3rd generation to live in this house, there

was some history there. And it actually turned out that

my grandma's brother had had his

bedroom in that second floor, and he had died,

untimely, you know, died an untimely death. He drowned,

during the time that the family was living in the house. He didn't drown at

the house, but it was while they were living there, and that second story

bedroom had been his bedroom. So there were numerous

occasions over the years of us hearing footsteps

up in that second story where his bedroom was.

I never felt like anything malicious. You know, once we

realized that there was a pattern here and my grandma told us that that had

been, her brother's bedroom. We kind of tried to

recognize him as a, you know, somebody watching over us,

but there were numerous occasions. Oh Mike god. That's terrifying.

But actually, I mean, it's really especially cool when you can connect

a number of stories to an actual event or an actual

person that had lived in that place. So we wanna thank Mike for sharing

that story. And, oh Mike gosh, we have so many stories. Who's next?

I think, who Allison, you haven't told a story yet. So, Mike, you

wanted, me to talk about the Loria Manor. Remember that one?

Oh, absolutely. And what I think it was cool about this particular

story is that you sent it to me and you cc'd me

on a email that you had sent to John Tenney wondering if he could

do some investigation on it. Yeah. I I, emailed John

Tenney just because, I had met

him, and I was Mike, oh, hey. He investigates in

Michigan. That's his home state. So I was like, I

should send him the story that I learned

about when I visited Michigan back in, 2011.

So in 2011, for our summer

vacation, Scott and I just went on a haunted road trip.

And, what we did is every night,

I scheduled it so that we could stay at a haunted location

between, And this is Allison's husband, Scott, not That's

right. Yes. Just to be clear. There's lots of Scotts in the world. So

my husband, Scott, and I,

were on this, ghost story vacation where we

just wanted to take a haunted road trip and stay at a haunted place every

night. And, it it got problematic when

we got to Calumet, Michigan. They had a they

have a haunted theater opera house there. And,

so I wanted to see that and take the tour. But then

after that, we we were like, oh, no. We wanna stay at

another haunted place, but we don't know one around here and we stayed

too long. And so as luck would have it, we,

met some elders who live, in the area,

and they just, like, adapted us for the day and

even, had us come over to their assisted living center.

Yes, we know how to party. Anyway, so,

we hung out with them and then near the end

of the day, we're like, uh-oh, we don't have a place to

stay. And then so we're talking to them, of course, about the haunted

places around town, and they said, well,

we have heard some rumors about the

Loriam Inn, the Loriam Manor, which is not far

away in Loriam, Michigan. And and they're

like, well, you know, you could make it there, you know, in Mike 15

minutes. And we're like, okay. That's the place. And

so we went to the Lauriam Inn, and then this, older

lady checked us in. And

and of course I waited for the opportune moment to

spring in on her. Well, are there ghost stories about this place?

And she's and she said, well, you know it used to be a funeral home.

And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I I had heard that,

but, are there any ghost stories? And she said, oh, well,

those teenage girls are always talking about this place, of course,

but you can't believe anything they say. And I'm like, well, okay.

And then we went up to our room and had a really

lovely night. It's a beautiful, beautiful,

big mansion, and it has like 3 floors

I think and we were on the top floor, in one of the

servants quarters, but it is just

an opulent place with incredible woodwork and

stained glass all over in in,

very artesian type designs. It

it's really an awesome place even if it wasn't haunted.

But anyway, so we went and stayed in our servant's quarters

and it was perfectly blissful. Nothing nothing,

scary happened until the morning. So,

in the morning, there was a big clawfoot tub and

before we went down to breakfast because it was a bed and breakfast type

place, I was Mike, I'm gonna take a soak in that

big soaking tub. And so I was really relaxed and

then I heard Mike some loud sound and

I was like, was that outside, Scott? What's the what was that? Was

that a dog? And he was like, no. That wasn't a dog. That was

a blood curdling scream from inside

the house. And I'm like, oh, yeah. That's

weird. And, so

I eventually got out of the bathtub and we went downstairs to

breakfast and also to investigate. And, so we got

downstairs to breakfast and then, this place was actually owned by a

husband and Mike. And, we were

talking to the wife, in the dining room there,

and she and she said, in

response to you know, I was like, hey, you know, what happened?

We heard, like some scream or something?

And she was like, oh, yes. I am so mad about that. I

am angry. If anything like that happens again, they're out of here.

And we're like, woah, woah, what happened? And

so she explained that there was, a

family staying there that was, essentially 2 parents

and a teenage girl. And then all of a sudden, at the

time when we had heard the scream, this

young girl bolted out of the room where they were

staying, screaming her head off through the hallway,

screaming bloody murder. And then,

the the parents were able to grab her and pull her back into the

room and and quiet her down, and

then apologize to, the owner.

But I was like, wow. You know? Is there something

more to the story? I mean, it wasn't yelling. I mean,

I know about yelling and being a difficult teenage girl. So,

it wasn't anything I recognized. It was like a blood

curdling scream. It wasn't, you

know, yelling as in an argument. So that was very

peculiar to me. And, we ate our breakfast, and I was

like, oh, man. What would I do if I was on the

television show Freaky Links? Well, I'd probably

stay here for the weekend, but we're supposed to be, we're

supposed to go see the Balding light. And Wait.

I'm not sure anything more is gonna happen here. Saying what Kolchak the night stalker

would do. Instead of saying what Mulder and Scully would do. Instead

of any of the great ghost hunters, even the guys that who

Mike, Hans Holzer, who you're Mike, he's kinda cool, but kind of a proto

Zac Bagan's. You're like, let's what would the cast

of freaking freaky links do? Yeah.

Yeah. What would, Derek barn Barnes do?

Anyway, so this is what I was thinking. Instead of Peter

Venkman. Oh, god, Allison. You're breaking up the 1st

I'm sorry. I I think that show was ahead of its time.

Anyway and you used to think that Derek Barnes was real, so don't

even go there with me. Hey. They got me. I was an Internet sucker.

Welcome to You were an Internet sucker. Welcome to 21st century. Remember

before that show premiered. This is Mike a show from 20 years ago

on Fox. And, Mike was like, the summer

before that show premiered, he's like, there's this guy, Derek Barnes.

He's got this cool website. It's called Freaky Links. I mean, maybe we

should get to know him. Yeah. And then it

turned out that, you know, these same people who, put out

Freaky Links actually were behind the Blair Witch Project. This was,

a project after they gained that fame. And so, of course,

they're famous for harnessing the Internet and and

making up things, that become part of reality. And Mike

got sucked into that. Guys like me look like assholes. Thank you.

I'm like, what would Derek do? And I

was like, oh, man. I should totally stay, but probably nothing's gonna

happen. And how am I even going to track down that girl and

get her story? I'm probably not gonna be able to be able to talk to

her. So I was like, well, we'll just go see the paulding light. But

before we do, we'll talk to the husband when we're

checking out, and we'll ask him again because you gotta

be persistent. Is this place haunted? And then, of course, he

started with, oh, well, yeah. You know it was a funeral

home. Right? And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I know it's a funeral home, but

that doesn't mean it's haunted. And then he said,

well, did you know about the double murder suicide?

And I'm like, dude, you had me a double murder.

And I'm like, what? And he tells

me this really crazy story, which seems like

an urban legend, but it's not. It's all true. Anyway,

he told me that there used to be this couple that

owned the place when it was a funeral home, and they were

getting quite elderly. And their

son, had had a a

son who, was very difficult.

And so their grandson is living with his parents in another

nearby community, and, he

does something crazy. He's, like, not quite right.

He's a little bit unhinged, and he sets

a fire at his school. And,

actually, instead of hurting anyone else Mike he

hadn't, I guess, intended to do, he got caught in the

fire and became terribly disfigured.

So Oh, man. After this happened Well, he did start the fire.

Right. But the parents didn't know what to do.

And so they thought, well, maybe he he needs a change

of scene, and they sent him to live with his grandparents

at the funeral home. Now Oh,

boy. Unbeknownst to anyone else in the family,

Maynard, the elder who the grandfather

who owns the funeral home Don't confuse him with your funeral home. Diagnosis

that Different guy. What was that? Sorry. Yes. Making a joke. The only famous

person I know named Maynard is the lead singer Atul. Okay. I think you're Atul.

I'm like but, anyway, beside the fact, besides that fact

so, Maynard owns this funeral

home, and he's always been a really responsible, trustworthy person.

But what happened was his wife had been sick

for, you know, about a year or so before,

they took in their grandson. And then he found

out, after routine doctor's appointment

that he had a terminal illness. And

he just felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. How was he

gonna take care of his wife and his troubled grandson?

And so he came up with a solution, which was

to kill them and himself, and he

actually laid out the burial

clothes. He had all the burial clothes and

all the paperwork, done ahead of time

and had everything hung hung up in the closets,

and noted that, you know, this is what so and so should

wear in the casket. And he had all the arrangements,

set up before he committed the murder. So he

committed the murders and then, committed suicide.

And I was like, what? I can't believe this.

And That's a crazy story. Then after I left,

I was like, this can't be real. And I go to

my newspaper archives, and I find it right away.

They have lots of information about,

this couple and about Maynard and how he

planned everything so meticulously and how, you know, the

detectives were saying how everything was so neatly placed,

to take care of the situation. And then I thought to

myself too, after this was confirmed,

that, what what better

ghost to terrify a young teenage

girl than a disfigured teenage boy. Oh,

yeah. And would do it. Who who would be,

you know, why would he haunt her? Well, I mean, he never got to grow

up, and he's still an eternal teenager. Sure. And, of

course, teenage boys are going to be interested in teenage

girls. And then I recalled, what,

the assistant had told me the night that we checked in that,

oh, this is the place that the teenage girls in particular talk

about all the time. And I was also able to

verify the story, from a community

forum as well. People, in the neighborhood

who had lived there for decades, just started,

messaging about Maynard, and about

what a nice person he was and and how this was just such a

surprising and tragic turn of fate. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. That

was that was deeper than I thought it was gonna be, Allison.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a long one. From just the email you sent

to John Wendy, back before I even know who he was, from just the email

that that ended up being a lot heavier, than I thought it would be. But

that's a that's a pretty cool ghost story. Then you even have a you even

have some experience there. Right. So what a story too. I mean

Yeah. Even the non ghost aspect of it. So I think those are some

pretty good ghost stories for episode 291. And to all the people

that were on and joining us, we wanna thank you very much for all of

the, ghost stories that people called in. If you

guys wanna learn more about us, othersidepodcast.com

is a great place to go. If you're looking for haunted history tours that I've

written, Allison's written, Scott's written, Wendy's led.

You can find that American ghostwalks.com. If you

wanna see Wendy and Mike cool band, go to

sunspotuniverse.com. And, Scott, if they wanna give you

a ghost story themselves, where can they go and do that? Yeah. Definitely. It's

what's your ghost story dot com. And, also, head on over to YouTube and just

search for me, Scott Marcus, m a r k u s. I post

videos, up there. I do some Mike streams, do Mike documentary

type things. But but as always, it's the comments, and the conversation

that is the most important part of building this paranormal community.

Absolutely. And, you know, the the thing is is that I think that,

now that people know that we're doing listener ghost stories, we might do it

again. And the more stories we get, the more episodes we can do on it.

Yeah. Definitely. And we still have stories that we wanted to share today, and we've

run out of time here. So if you called and left us a story but

didn't hear it today, we will include those in the next. We'll have a sequel

to this episode of listener and personal ghost stories, but we

definitely appreciate everyone who called in. Thank you. So, feel free

to call Allison's special phone number and that's

414 Fortean or, Allison, if people

can't spell, what is that number?

Okay. 414-367-8326.

And if that's not it, someone's gonna get some really interesting voice mails soon.

That's perfect. Alright. So everybody have a, awesome week. What we'll

we're gonna do it. I mean, the thing is we're we're stuck inside indefinitely. So

we're doing some more of these and ranking up some more podcast episodes and getting

some more ghost stories and having more paranormal discussion for you from the

livestream. So everybody stay healthy and,

obviously, it looks Mike, you know, it really looks like we're all close to each

other, but we're all in different locations. So don't be fooled. We are

socially distancing, and you should be too. Right. That's,

Scott's a hologram. I'm I'm chiming

into the holodeck here. Not just that. Wendy virtually. Alright.

So we'll talk to you guys soon. This week's song

is inspired by my own family story, the

one where Allison and my mother told us about her uncle that saw the

angel in the mirror in the middle of the night, went back to sleep,

and never woke up. So that seemed to be the

perfect inspiration for this week's sunspot paranormal

song of the week. Here is the angel in the

mirror.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike. See you on the other side. One of the most fun

things about today's episode, Wendy, was that we got to feature a couple of

stories from our Patreon community. Yes. It was

super exciting to be able to share a story from our number 1

Patreon, doctor Ned. He gets a shout out in every

single episode because he's at the level of Patreon commitment

where we make sure we talk about the cool stuff he does

every single week. Doctor Ned, thank you so much for all your

support and also, Chuck's story. My gosh. What

a traumatizing thing to happen to a kid. Right. The closet of terror when you're

6 years old. But the thing is, I gotta say Wendy, what gets

me really excited is the fact that in the past couple

weeks, we've added 3 new patreons to the community.

I know. I'm excited about that too. It's Mhmm. It's really nice having our

community grow when we're in this weird time of, like, being stuck at home

and not able to perform out at venues, and it's just great. And so

I'm happy to welcome our newest 3 Patreon members. That's right. So,

Christine, we Wendy welcome you to the senior on the other side and Sunspot Patreon

community. Thank you so much. Eric, in addition to being a

great guy to do shots with, welcome to the Sunspot and the CEO on the

other side Patreon community and Stu. Stu. It

is exciting that you've decided to join us, and it's our mission to bring

you guys more fun songs and content and

podcasts and all of those kind of things. So everybody, we just

wanna say, Christine, Eric, and Stu, you guys,

are you know, you're awesome, and we wanna give you a very warm welcome for

all you've done for joining. Yes. We're looking forward to chatting with you in the

Patreon Hangouts Mhmm. And in the secret Facebook group and getting your

ideas and and input for future shows. And we're looking forward to

spending more time on our Patreons, as soon as we can. Now we do a

monthly hangout, special emails. Patreons get the

downloadable versions of the songs that nobody else gets and a

discussion forum where we could talk about our favorite things, new

paranormal news. Like, we used to have a paranormal newsletter, and we just moved putting

paranormal stories right into the Facebook Patreon community because that's

where we were getting the most feedback. If you're interested out there

in listener land, in joining our Patreon community, it's

really easy to do. All you gotta do is go to this website,

www.othersidepodcast.com/donate.

Become part of the coolest paranormal community on the Internet,

and we'll see you on the other side.

Then I I prayed to Jesus that night that he would join forces with Santa

and kick the Easter bunny's ass.