In this heartfelt episode, hosts Dawn and Dottie take you deep into the mission behind Embrace Your Brave. With raw honesty and gentle wisdom, they share their personal journeys through trauma, healing, and the power of showing up as your whole self. This episode explores the courage it takes to face your past, speak your truth, and find your people. You’ll hear stories about choosing growth over fear, the beauty of being “not okay,” and how creating brave spaces allows others to do the same. Whether you're a survivor, seeker, or supporter, this conversation will remind you that you’re not alone—and that your brave is welcome here.

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Dawn Bouillion: Hey, friends, welcome back to not that girl anymore.

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Dawn Bouillion: I'm your host. Dawn Bouillon, a trauma, therapist and coach, and the founder of embrace your brave.

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Dawn Bouillion: And since this podcast is all about women sharing their stories, I thought it was only right that I start off today by sharing mine.

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Dawn Bouillion: So I'm joined today by my dear friend and teammate, Dottie

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Dawn Bouillion: and Dottie is a huge reason that I'm here doing this Podcast, in the 1st place.

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Dawn Bouillion: and all the brave things that we're doing at embrace your brave.

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Dawn Bouillion: She saw something in me that I hadn't fully seen in myself yet.

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Dawn Bouillion: and she heard that advocacy in my voice and called it out, and she spoke it

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Dawn Bouillion: out loud, and she believed in this vision when it was still taking shape, and she's still showing up and helping us build, embrace your brave into something that can reach more and more people with the message of hope, healing, and wholehearted living.

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Dawn Bouillion: I have invited her here today to kick off this podcast by interviewing me.

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Dawn Bouillion: So, Dottie, welcome, I'm so glad you're here.

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Dottie Griffin: Thank you. Thank you for that kind introduction

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Dottie Griffin: and I'm so honored to be walking with you on this journey, you know. I think when we 1st sat down and we kind of started talking, we saw that our visions aligned, and you know we both want to

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Dottie Griffin: help women

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Dottie Griffin: help women reclaim their voice, help empower women so. And let me congratulate you on the launch of your podcast this is very exciting.

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Dawn Bouillion: Thank you very exciting, and thank you

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Dawn Bouillion: for helping me. Be brave and brave. Shit.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, you know. So you know, just and

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Dottie Griffin: talking to you and and getting to know you. You know a lot of your story inspired me so much. So I was just wondering if you would share with us what inspired you to become a therapist

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Dottie Griffin: and a coach.

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Dawn Bouillion: That's a great question, Dottie. Well, it was my own therapy that I

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Dawn Bouillion: kind of got forced into when I experienced my 1st

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Dawn Bouillion: like real crisis, like my 1st marriage crisis, that

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Dawn Bouillion: I was in like such bad shape that I had to get. I had to get help, and that was really my 1st experience of going to therapy. But I wasn't eating. I wasn't sleeping. I wasn't functioning, and I had 4 small kids at home that I had to take care of.

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Dawn Bouillion: and my husband at the time

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Dawn Bouillion: ended up going off to a treatment center for 90 days. So it was like, okay.

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Dawn Bouillion: I have to get. I have to get some help. So

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Dawn Bouillion: going to that therapy, I would say, is what really kind of

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Dawn Bouillion: it changed my life, because it was the 1st time that I felt like I mattered.

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Dawn Bouillion: And it's the 1st time I felt like

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Dawn Bouillion: what I had to say mattered, and my pain mattered and my story mattered, and it was just because

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Dawn Bouillion: she felt like I mattered, and because she felt like that. Then it helped me feel like I mattered.

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Dawn Bouillion: And so that whole experience, you know it. It helped me start to connect to myself.

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Dawn Bouillion: And then I started looking at you know, I started making like connecting all the dots to my whole story like it really wasn't until then

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Dawn Bouillion: where I remember when she was, she asked me like, Well, how do you feel? You know the feeling wheel that you're acquainted with now.

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Dawn Bouillion: And I just was like I.

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Dawn Bouillion: I had no idea what I felt. I was so

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Dawn Bouillion: in tune with maybe what everyone else felt but like asking me what I felt. I'm like, oh.

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Dawn Bouillion: I haven't really thought about that before, you know.

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Dottie Griffin: Can, feel.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, like, Oh, you mean my feelings matter?

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh, you know

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Dawn Bouillion: And so it was just kind of like

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Dawn Bouillion: getting connected to myself. And then recognizing like that the things that were happening in me that day were deeply connected to my story.

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Dawn Bouillion: and it was the 1st time I really started to even think about where I came from, and what I've been through and.

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Dawn Bouillion: You know.

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Dawn Bouillion: Growing up for me was

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Dawn Bouillion: in some ways kind of difficult, because I had a dad that struggled with alcoholism.

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Dawn Bouillion: And so, looking back on that now, I can see, like where I started to

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Dawn Bouillion: become what everyone else needed me to be in that space and really lose connection with my with myself. So therapy was really all about. Who am I? You know? Like, when they kind of started asking that question like, who are you?

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Dawn Bouillion: I'm like, I have no idea, you know, because so much of

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Dawn Bouillion: what I've done is just I don't know who do you need me to be, and I'll and I'll be that. But it was really like

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Dawn Bouillion: that 1st time that I was saying, Who am I? And really asking that that

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Dawn Bouillion: question. And at that age and stage of my life. I kind of view it almost like an identity crisis.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: I like this like, okay, wait.

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Dottie Griffin: It's the realization that you know I've gone my whole life and really have no clue

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Dottie Griffin: of who I am. You know. What do I want. What do I like.

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Dawn Bouillion: Right.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: And and it was just like

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Dawn Bouillion: that process of like really getting to know myself and really healing.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know, really starting to heal and reconnect with myself.

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Dawn Bouillion: It just like it helped me understand that we can all heal.

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Dawn Bouillion: and it made me want to be part of helping other women heal. And so, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: at that time in my life I remember when the therapist looked at me and was like, Have you ever thought about becoming a therapist, and I was like shut up because

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Dawn Bouillion: all I could think about at that time was like going to grad school, and I'm like I can't go to grad school. I got my 1st F in 5th grade, you know, like I'm not smart enough for grad school, and that's all I could think about when she said that

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Dawn Bouillion: But then it was almost like

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Dawn Bouillion: I knew that that was what I was gonna have to do now, and.

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Dottie Griffin: Like you. You couldn't. It's not that you wanted to. You had to do it.

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Dawn Bouillion: It was really like a I was like.

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Dawn Bouillion: well, damn now, now I got it to do it.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know. Now, now I got to

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Dawn Bouillion: But I had 4 kids at home, and the thought of going to grad school was like way out there. But I guess I kind of lost my mind and said, I guess we're doing this.

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Dawn Bouillion: I guess we're doing this thing.

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Dottie Griffin: So what was grad school like.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh, man, you know what grad school was really probably one of the most healing experiences for me, like spiritually speaking, because it was a it was a Christian grad school.

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Dawn Bouillion: and they were

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Dawn Bouillion: they were really what opened my eyes up to like social and cultural understanding people in the context of their story, and really.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know,

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Dawn Bouillion: But they had this class there called the life of the counselor.

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Dawn Bouillion: and that was like one of my favorite classes, because that was really

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Dawn Bouillion: where I started getting a totally different vision of God, and a different vision of Jesus than I had growing up, because.

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Dawn Bouillion: honestly, at this time in my, in my life, from what I had learned about Jesus and and God and the Church. Up until that point.

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Dawn Bouillion: my mindset was like, I'm gonna have to leave Jesus out of the room. If I'm gonna go in

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Dawn Bouillion: help. These people that are like so broken with addictions, and just just, you know, horrible

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Dawn Bouillion: situations and and pain. And at the time it was like, I didn't know

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Dawn Bouillion: that Jesus, you know, was okay with that. And so

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Dawn Bouillion: I remember my professor like that really helped me get a whole different understanding of the gospel, and he said.

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Dawn Bouillion: the simplicity of the gospel is, receive God's love and give it away.

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Dottie Griffin: Hello!

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Dawn Bouillion: And I was like.

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Dottie Griffin: Beautiful.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh!

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Dottie Griffin: And simple. Yes.

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Dawn Bouillion: So much better, you know, like receive God's love and give it away.

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Dottie Griffin: Like it's like such weight lifted off of your shoulders.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah. And like, just understanding God to be love and understanding that

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Dawn Bouillion: you know Jesus is healing. And so there is no healing apart from him, so I would never sit with someone and help them heal apart from Jesus, because he he's the author of healing. You know he's the author.

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Dawn Bouillion: hope and life, and love and and healing, and so

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Dawn Bouillion: like, thank God for that experience, and that that school that I happened to be at that really helped me

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Dawn Bouillion: step more into, I guess alignment with

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Dawn Bouillion: knowing like that Jesus is the healing.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: He's it.

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Dawn Bouillion: He's not, you know, someone that you gotta leave out of the room because it was broken.

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Dottie Griffin: Right.

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Dawn Bouillion: He's the exact person you wanna welcome into that brokenness.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, no.

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Dottie Griffin: He's the one that needs to come into the hard places.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, absolutely to soften them.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah. So that was

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Dawn Bouillion: that was where I learned that. And I did. I did come from a lot of

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Dawn Bouillion: I guess you would say, like spiritual pain

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Dawn Bouillion: more, what I experienced growing up. So that's why I say my time at Richmond was very healing for me.

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Dawn Bouillion: It was healing because I was doing brave things every day to show up and and write 12 page papers at

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Dawn Bouillion: 2 Am. You know, like.

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Dawn Bouillion: but it was also so healing like from the inside, and my relationship with God and my relationship with myself, and

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Dawn Bouillion: really, you know, come into terms with some of that, so that I could sit with people.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: And help them.

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Dawn Bouillion: Help them heal too.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, you know, because

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Dottie Griffin: if if you're not healed or on your journey to be being healed, then how are you going to heal people.

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Dawn Bouillion: It doesn't work out very well, you know.

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Dottie Griffin: Doesn't work out very well.

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Dawn Bouillion: If you haven't done your own healing, for sure as as a therapist, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: you're gonna have a really difficult time helping other people heal.

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Dottie Griffin: So how has all of these experiences in your life?

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Dottie Griffin: helped you to be a better therapist.

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Dawn Bouillion: Which experiences which ones.

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Dottie Griffin: Well, you know the ones going through the church, and just not feeling worthy enough or smart enough. And and then, you know, having that spiritual transformation

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Dottie Griffin: at Richmond.

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Dottie Griffin: How did that help you become a better therapist?

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Dottie Griffin: I mean, you know, having those experiences to me would would really help you

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Dottie Griffin: in being able to help other people.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh, yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, you know, absolutely. And and it's really just like.

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Dawn Bouillion: Seeing them as people and people that have a story and

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Dawn Bouillion: You know it was at Richmond that I came up with that quote that I now have built. Embrace your brave upon, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: Which is behind every face is a story to be told

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Dawn Bouillion: is a voice to be heard?

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Dawn Bouillion: Is a soul to be healed and a dream to be discovered.

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Dawn Bouillion: But like that healing was so foundational to me, being able to see people in that way, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: and that's how I try to see people every day now, and when I sit with people I think about them in terms of their story.

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Dottie Griffin: Well, that quote in and of itself was very, very inspiring to me also.

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Dawn Bouillion: Hmm.

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Dottie Griffin: You know the name. Embrace your brave, you know, is

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Dottie Griffin: it's so. It's it says so much in in just that little phrase, embrace you brave, you know, because you have to be brave to step out

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Dottie Griffin: and do any of this, you know, and

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Dottie Griffin: tell me so. How did that come about embrace you. Brave! Is that just from your own experiences like that's what I did. So.

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Dawn Bouillion: You know I think it. Yeah, I think it. Just it. It encompasses what recovery is about, you know. Embrace your brave every day is a choice.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know. Every day is a new choice to embrace.

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Dawn Bouillion: You're brave, or embrace your recovery, embrace what it looks like to.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know, live a life connected to your, to yourself, and what's in your best interest, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: and so yeah, embrace your brave. And

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Dawn Bouillion: I mean that name kind of came to me quickly when I needed to form an Llc. And like

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Dawn Bouillion: came in, you know, just in like a in like a day. But it just, you know, really

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Dawn Bouillion: flows well, like maybe I found out about it that quickly. But it's always kind of, you know. Been.

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Dottie Griffin: It does definitely encompass who you are, you know, because

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Dottie Griffin: all of the things that you're doing, building the business, starting coaching programs, and all of those kinds of things. It's all very much embracing your brave.

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Dottie Griffin: you know, and it's stepping out. It's it's doing things even though they're scary.

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Dottie Griffin: What was it you said earlier?

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Dottie Griffin: Oh, you said something about

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Dottie Griffin: something. It's something that you always wanted to do, but it's the scariest thing you've ever done.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh, this, podcast.

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Dawn Bouillion: This, podcast. And just about everything else.

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Dawn Bouillion: about everything else in my life. It's like, my, it's like my dream and my biggest fear collide.

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Dottie Griffin: That's yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: That's like. So it's like we want to do it because it's like, you know, it's part of the dream. It's part of, like the throw up dream, like my friend says, like.

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Dawn Bouillion: But it's terrifying, you know. And so it's like those 2 things colliding together.

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Dawn Bouillion: it's kind of how this feels every day.

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Dottie Griffin: You know, but the mission and the vision behind embrace your brave

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Dottie Griffin: is is such a timely one, you know it's 1 that's needed. You know. I I just think, from my own experience.

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Dottie Griffin: It's such a a powerful message for women

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Dottie Griffin: to realize that they do have a voice, you know, and that they can be empowered to use that voice. It's just a matter of

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Dottie Griffin: reframing and and getting rid of all of those conditions that we've grown up with.

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Dawn Bouillion: Right.

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Dottie Griffin: And.

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Dawn Bouillion: Well, and I think that's 1 of the cool things like it's 1 of the things the reasons I love my job

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Dawn Bouillion: so much right, because when I'm sitting with these women.

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Dawn Bouillion: it's not. It's not about, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: doing anything for them. It's empowering them.

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Dawn Bouillion: To see what they've just haven't seen yet.

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Dawn Bouillion: like they. It's like you see them, but they don't see them yet, and you help them see them.

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Dawn Bouillion: and then you help them like I.

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Dawn Bouillion: I have the coolest job, because I literally see women's lives be like transformed like they. They come in day. One like

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Dawn Bouillion: have no idea who they are, you know, you know, can barely function some of some of them, you know, just like I was when I 1st came into therapy

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Dawn Bouillion: and, like you, slowly see them.

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Dawn Bouillion: can reconnect to themselves and to their story, and then you see them like take their power back.

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Dottie Griffin: And you see them like, really.

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Dawn Bouillion: Step into who they like, who they are, who they've always been. It's just that life had beaten them down so much that they couldn't even see

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Dawn Bouillion: who who they were anymore. And so it's just like the coolest.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know, Job, to have. But that embrace your brave thing. It's

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Dawn Bouillion: it's like. It's not enough that I'm doing some of that like I want to help everybody else do that, too, like whatever that looks like in your life, like. What does it look like to embrace your brave.

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Dottie Griffin: And.

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Dawn Bouillion: You know, when people show up to my office, I'm already like Whoa!

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Dawn Bouillion: Let's celebrate that.

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Dottie Griffin: Brave.

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Dawn Bouillion: That is so brave like you made that phone call. You even drove here. You got out of the car.

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Dawn Bouillion: Could have stayed in the car. But then you sat on the couch, and then for many of many people like they're letting me in

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Dawn Bouillion: to their most broken space.

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Dawn Bouillion: They've never let anyone into before, you know, and so they're trusting me with that. And then I get like that front row seat

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Dawn Bouillion: of like building them up and empowering them and and saying, You matter. Your story matters your pain matters right and like connecting with people in the eye. And and there's something that just kind of

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Dawn Bouillion: happens. And for many women they've never been told that before.

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Dawn Bouillion: They they've they've never even realized that, like they have a story, and like they.

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Dawn Bouillion: they matter, and like they have a dream, too. You know, it's it's crazy. How almost like foreign that thought is to some people, you know, especially when they 1st sit down in there. But by the end of the process they're like

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Dawn Bouillion: dreaming again.

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Dottie Griffin: Right you. You tend to forget your dreams when you're conditioned to take care of everybody else.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh,

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah. And as they sit and learn and find themselves, yeah, that's when they open up the space to be able to dream again. That's so beautiful. Something I experienced in my own therapy.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah. Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: And and just that.

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Dottie Griffin: the inspiration behind the quote of Behind every face is a story to be told, and you know you have always emphasized every.

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Dottie Griffin: You know every face so.

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Dawn Bouillion: Favorite.

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Dottie Griffin: Every face. Everybody has a story, you know, and it it's it's their story.

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Dottie Griffin: and they make sense in their own story. I think that's very beautiful.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yes, yeah, absolutely. And it's everyone right? It's Oh.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know, I I mainly serve women, but it's like, I don't want it to just be women. I want to be all women, you know. I want it to be.

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Dawn Bouillion: you know I don't want. I don't want anyone not being included

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Dawn Bouillion: in this we all have a story, and we all make sense in our story. If we actually

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Dawn Bouillion: took the time to listen to one another's stories.

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Dawn Bouillion: And, like, you know, seeing behind the faces to even get to the story.

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Dawn Bouillion: and then hear the voices and to, you know, to care and connect, as people you know.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: So, yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: I think that's 1 of the things missing is, you know, people putting themselves in other people's shoes, you know, and seeing that story, seeing that. Yeah, that person has a story, and you know I don't. I don't have. I didn't. I'm not writing their story.

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Dottie Griffin: you know. They're writing their stories so.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: That makes sense. There. Yeah. Oh, I like that.

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Dawn Bouillion: And one of my favorite things that you've said, Dottie.

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Dawn Bouillion: It's like when we kind of grow up in that disconnected

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Dawn Bouillion: place. And then we're we're just like handing over our power, and we're handing over our PIN. So wherever we go, we're like here. You tell me who you are. I mean you. You tell me who I am like letting other people tell us who we are and what we're worth.

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Dawn Bouillion: and like they're getting to write the story because we haven't realized that it's our PIN, you know.

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Dottie Griffin: Right, right.

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Dawn Bouillion: And it, and we don't have to hand our power over. And so

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Dawn Bouillion: to me, therapy is really about taking back the PIN.

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Dottie Griffin: Yes.

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Dawn Bouillion: And saying, This is my PIN, and and it's my story. And I'm going

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Dawn Bouillion: to kind of decide what this looks like instead of let everyone else decide what it looks like. Everything I've been through. Define who I am and where I stay.

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Dottie Griffin: It was definitely liberating and empowering, taking back the pen, you know, and beginning to write my own story. So.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, I love that. I use that a lot. When I'm talking to my clients. I use the PIN.

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Dottie Griffin: The PIN. Yes, yeah. Take your own PIN back, girl.

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Dottie Griffin: That's right.

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Dottie Griffin: So what do you hope listeners are going to take away from your story and from this podcast.

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Dawn Bouillion: Hmm!

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Dawn Bouillion: I think just one that you can heal.

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Dottie Griffin: Hmm.

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Dawn Bouillion: Too, that you're not alone, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: Everybody's going through something. Everybody's going through hard, hard things. And I think, just in general, we've been conditioned to isolate, and we've been conditioned to to do that alone and think that we have to do that alone. And I,

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Dawn Bouillion: you know sometimes it takes one person saying, Hey, this is true for other people to stand up and say, Oh, wait me too, you know.

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Dottie Griffin: You know

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Dawn Bouillion: So I'm hoping to kind of create that that sense of like belonging. That sense of

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Dawn Bouillion: you're not alone in any of this, and if if we can talk about things that maybe you're not

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Dawn Bouillion: going to find somewhere else, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: Then, you know, I would hope that that's what

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Dawn Bouillion: you experience here, you know.

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Dawn Bouillion: it's okay to talk about these things, and you're not alone in it, and you don't have to stay alone in it. We don't really heal in isolation.

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Dawn Bouillion: We need each other.

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Dottie Griffin: That's beautiful. Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: yeah, you know. And I'm I'm really excited to see. As you know, the podcast. Unfolds and more of your story, you know, is told as well as

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Dottie Griffin: the women that you're going to have on the podcast and their stories. I think you know.

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Dottie Griffin: it's going to be very impactful for for other women to hear and and to really connect with. With.

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Dottie Griffin: There's really them themselves, you know, and find find themselves.

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Dawn Bouillion: You know, through that. And that's I think, what you're hoping.

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Dottie Griffin: Is accomplished through this podcast.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, absolutely.

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Dawn Bouillion: And and and maybe an introduction to yourself, you know

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Dawn Bouillion: the healing is, you know, the secret ingredient with with healing is you.

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Dottie Griffin: Meet.

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Dawn Bouillion: Just we didn't.

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Dawn Bouillion: We didn't know. And for those of us that might maybe grew up in some of the more religious circles.

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Dawn Bouillion: Losing us was part of what made us holy.

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Dawn Bouillion: You know.

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Dawn Bouillion: The the less we could think about ourselves.

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Dawn Bouillion: the more godly we could be, and that that's really kind of

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Dawn Bouillion: opposite of healing, because Jesus is healing. The the healing that Jesus came to do was to heal us and make us whole. But if we're not part of that equation, then it's not healing.

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Dottie Griffin: Yes.

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Dawn Bouillion: Right.

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Dawn Bouillion: And so kind of realizing that

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Dawn Bouillion: you are the person that can heal you.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: We don't have to go to other people to heal us. We have everything that we need already inside of us.

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Dottie Griffin: Yes.

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Dawn Bouillion: And.

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Dottie Griffin: Resources inside of us. Yes.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, that's the beauty of God's design of us.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, I think we've we've pretty much gotten away from that you know.

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Dottie Griffin: In in that we are designed to to operate optimally.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: And we stay connected to ourselves.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah. Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: And you know what I'm I'm excited. To like. Hear more about what you're learning right now in your coaching.

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Dottie Griffin: Because I know you're getting some insight into even more. So

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Dawn Bouillion: Our design. You know of how how we heal and how we're connected to each other.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: Our in our healing kind of

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Dawn Bouillion: taking our power back to actually use those things God's given us to heal.

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Dottie Griffin: Yes.

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Dottie Griffin: yeah. So I'm I'm really excited about you know, as podcast. Podcast. Goes on, we hear more of of your story and how you got to where you are.

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Dottie Griffin: and thank you for sharing all of that with your listeners.

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Dottie Griffin: We're not using this.

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Dottie Griffin: I don't know how to handle.

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Dawn Bouillion: No, I've I've barely even shared any of my story.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay, so, how? Well.

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Dawn Bouillion: We're gonna have a taste.

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Dottie Griffin: Like, what what.

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Dawn Bouillion: I'll try again.

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Dottie Griffin: What? What part of your story didn't you share? So I can ask those questions.

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Dawn Bouillion: Well, what part did I share.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay? Well, you shared about an alcohol, do you? Unrecord.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, I'm gonna on record this.

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Dottie Griffin: Hmm.

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Dawn Bouillion: I feel like my brain is like a mush right now. I'm like, I don't even know what I'm saying.

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Dottie Griffin: Well, let's just let's just hash out, and then we'll do it again tomorrow. She'll just have to wait.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: We'll be fresher like tomorrow, and we won't talk for an hour and a half.

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Dottie Griffin: We'll just get started right away. But this is what you said. You talked about your dad.

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Dawn Bouillion: Okay, a little bit. Yeah. I did.

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Dottie Griffin: You talked about Richmond.

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Dottie Griffin: You talked about how? What inspired you?

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Dottie Griffin: You talked about, you know spirituality in

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Dottie Griffin: receive God's love, give it away.

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Dawn Bouillion: I didn't really talk about my childhood.

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Dawn Bouillion: Like church, upbringing types.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay, so you want to talk about that.

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Dottie Griffin: So.

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Dawn Bouillion: Maybe just in a way that makes a little bit more sense.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay.

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Dottie Griffin: yeah, you didn't, really. You you mentioned it that you grew up in a church where? But you didn't, really.

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Dottie Griffin: You didn't really expound on it.

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Dottie Griffin: And.

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Dawn Bouillion: We might need a little bit more like directed.

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Dawn Bouillion: like something at least like some type of outline that we cover.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay, no, this is good, because this way we at least have a an idea.

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Dawn Bouillion: Right.

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Dottie Griffin: Of how we're going to like bounce off of each other. And

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Dottie Griffin: I mean, how stupid did I sound? I'm like Whoa! Whoa!

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Dawn Bouillion: No.

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Dottie Griffin: Cause I'm trying to pick up on things you're saying for the next question, you know, just.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: Why?

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Dawn Bouillion: But I think I'm we're operate. I'm operating that like half brain size.

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Dottie Griffin: Capacity. Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: So it's not going well for me. I'm like when I go back and watch this. It's probably gonna sound like blah blah blah blah.

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Dottie Griffin: Probably need to.

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Dawn Bouillion: Okay.

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Dottie Griffin: That's gonna be hard for me to even listen to myself. So.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh!

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Dottie Griffin: Say whether or not it sounded stupid, and toss me out or not.

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Dawn Bouillion: No, you did. Great.

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Dottie Griffin: Hey!

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Dawn Bouillion: I think we need a little bit more at least, like

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Dawn Bouillion: I think it's good. I think it's fine like that we start off with when I

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Dottie Griffin: It's spot. Yeah, I think the beginning was really good. And I was trying. I was trying to end it with, because I didn't. I agree, like not a whole lot of you. Story came out. So that's why I was saying, you know, as the podcast go on, we would learn more about you.

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Dawn Bouillion: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: Yeah, that was kind of why? Because, you know, you did say I just know so much.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: And and I don't really know how much of what I know. You want to come out. I mean, you did talk about. You know your marriage crisis.

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Dottie Griffin: what other big parts your childhood church upbringing that could come out?

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Dottie Griffin: That's probably the only thing you really need to expound on

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Dottie Griffin: yeah, which would which would lead it kind of in a spiritual.

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Dottie Griffin: really direction, because we talked a lot about spirituality, which is fine, you know. We've talked about.

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Dottie Griffin: I mean, I thought it was. I thought it was pretty good up until I didn't know how to land the plane.

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Dawn Bouillion: No.

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Dottie Griffin: No idea how to land it.

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Dawn Bouillion: I just was. I mean, it'll be interesting to go back and listen to it and see if it felt like

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Dawn Bouillion: any of it.

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Dottie Griffin: Is there any way you can send it to me.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, I can send it to you. I can send you the link.

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Dawn Bouillion: We're still recording right now.

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Dawn Bouillion: But the the other thing I can send you.

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Dawn Bouillion: I can send you what I was preparing.

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Dottie Griffin: Okay. Yeah.

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Dawn Bouillion: Where it was telling a little bit more of my story. It just felt like

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Dawn Bouillion: it just felt like I was saying it versus like.

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Dottie Griffin: Feeling it.

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Dawn Bouillion: Feeling it, and and more like I would like if I was actually trying to tell you for the 1st time, like.

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Dawn Bouillion: Like. If if you were asking me questions and like you really were getting to know me for the 1st time, or you were really.

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Dawn Bouillion: then I would.

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Dawn Bouillion: I feel like I would be saying more like I would be

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Dawn Bouillion: really helping you get an idea of like who I am or where I came from, or.

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Dottie Griffin: You know.

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Dawn Bouillion: When my brain is operating at a higher level than it is right now.

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Dawn Bouillion: But I can send you that, and that can also where we feel like at the end of it.

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Dawn Bouillion: we have shared.

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Dottie Griffin: Parts of my story that people.

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Dottie Griffin: yeah, yeah. And you know, I think when you go back and hear it, you'll realize you did share a good bit.

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Dottie Griffin: You know. It's a very, very general, you know. You didn't go in into any specifics

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Dottie Griffin: you know of of

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Dottie Griffin: what you dealt with in your marriage with the marriage crisis. You know you didn't do anything specific. You didn't

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Dottie Griffin: throw anybody under the bus, you know, so I and I don't know if that's by design or.

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Dottie Griffin: You know so.

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Dottie Griffin: But yes, send me the outline you had, and then that might help me.

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Dottie Griffin: because I'm trying to formulate questions from what you're saying. So.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah, and you did. I mean you, you did great.

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Dottie Griffin: Well, thank you, but I mean I I can improve, too. You know I I did like how we talked about the quote about behind every face.

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Dottie Griffin: You know, and how embrace your brave. That's important, you know, about embracing your brave. But that's

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Dottie Griffin: yeah. That's just kind of the peripheral of your story, you know. That's

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Dottie Griffin: but it's such an important part to me of who you are.

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Dottie Griffin: you know, and who what your heart is. That's really what I would like the listener to come away with is.

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Dawn Bouillion: Hmm.

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Dottie Griffin: She, you know her heart is this, quote.

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Dawn Bouillion: Yeah.

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Dottie Griffin: And you.

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Dottie Griffin: You do this by embracing your brain. Maybe that's how we should talk about the quote and say.

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Dottie Griffin: you know, you get all these by embracing your brain.

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Dawn Bouillion: For right.

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Dottie Griffin: No.

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Dawn Bouillion: And maybe we should just.

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Dawn Bouillion: in case it's good enough, like.

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Dottie Griffin: Thank you for joining us today.

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Dawn Bouillion: And you're more.

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Dottie Griffin: How we end it.

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Dottie Griffin: We could. We could

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Dawn Bouillion: So let me just say.

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Dawn Bouillion: thank you guys so much for joining us and holding space for for some of my story. And just remember you matter. Your story matters your healing matters.

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Dawn Bouillion: and you're not that girl anymore.