Fresh off the Ian Whittaker interview, Marc and Vassilis sit down for the PostPod to unpack what actually stuck.

The through line: marketing keeps losing the budget argument because it treats finance as an obstacle instead of a customer. Ian's framing reframed it. Follow the incentives. Understand what executives are rewarded and punished for. Reframe budget as risk, not just missed opportunity. And stop leaning on "ROI" as if the word alone wins the room, because it is a ratio you can improve simply by cutting spend.

They also get honest about the echo chamber marketers live in, the gap between how advertising works and how people believe it works, and why infinite data and AI still have not cracked proof. Marc brings it down to earth with a personal lesson from running a real P&L.

No tidy answers. A much better set of questions.

Chapters:

00:00 The board is a customer too (cold open)

00:41 PostPod: why our heads were spinning

02:22 Follow the incentives, the question we never ask finance

03:12 Marc runs a P&L now, and cost is a worthy adversary

05:07 Marketing's echo chamber problem

06:10 Finance is the customer: vocabulary vs grammar

07:16 Learn capital allocation, not just the buzzwords

09:42 Why leading with ROI can get you cut

10:27 How advertising works vs believing how it works

11:40 Understand board priorities before you pitch

12:53 Infinite data, still can't prove ROI, enter DCF

15:05 The bridge and the ravine

16:45 Getting marketers closer to the business