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Joaquin Niemann vs Wyndham Clark - 59, 60, OWGR, Majors & more!
Episode 22 • 9th February 2024 • Golf Lovers United: Discussing Golf, the Fair Way • Golf Lovers United
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The hosts discuss recent golf tournaments, including the DP World Tour and the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am.

They compare the field strength between the PGA Tour and LIV Golf, noting the parity in talent and the positive reception of LIV Golf.

The conversation also touches on the controversy surrounding Wyndham Clark's 60 and the impact of lift, clean, and place rules. They analyze Joaquin Niemann's impressive 59 and his performance on LIV Golf.

The hosts also discuss the influence of mental factors on golf performance. In this episode, the hosts discuss the mental fortitude of Joaquin Neiman and other players, the iconic shot of live golf, and make their picks for the next tournament.

Takeaways

  • The field strength between the PGA Tour and LIV Golf is becoming more balanced, with both tours featuring top talent.
  • Controversies surrounding lift, clean, and place rules and their impact on scoring should be discussed fairly and consistently.
  • Joaquin Niemann's performance on LIV Golf showcases his talent and potential as a rising star in the sport.
  • The mental aspect of golf, including confidence and decision-making, plays a significant role in a player's performance. Joaquin Neiman's mental fortitude was on display during the tournament, as he overcame a two-stroke penalty and maintained his composure to win.
  • The mental fortitude of other players, such as Ludwig Eiburg, is still uncertain and will be something to watch as the season progresses.
  • The iconic shot of live golf, with the TV shot from above showing the huge monitor lighting up the green as they played in darkness, was a significant moment for Live Golf.
  • The hosts make their picks for the next tournament, with Brooks and DJ as top contenders, and the 4Aces and Legion XIII as strong teams.

Chapters

  • 00:00 Introduction and Recap of Golf Tournaments
  • 03:25 Discussion on the DP World Tour
  • 10:30 Comparison of Field Strength between PGA Tour and LIV Golf
  • 20:12 Debate on Wyndham Clark's 60 and the Impact of Lift, Clean, and Place
  • 41:22 Analysis of Joaquin Niemann's 59 and his Performance on LIV Golf
  • 45:08 The Influence of Mental Factors on Golf Performance
  • 45:16 Joaquin Neimann's Mental Fortitude
  • 48:40 Mental Fortitude of Other Players
  • 50:14 The Iconic Shot of Live Golf
  • 52:45 Picks for the Next Tournament
  • 56:29 Conclusion and Future Episodes

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59, 60, two lots of 54, and a lot, a lot

of attention on men's pro golf this week.

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This is Golf Lovers United where we

discuss golf the fair way.

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My name is Mark, one of the hosts at Mr.

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Asquith on Twitter.

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And today, as always, I'm joined by my

good friends, Jay at Pro Golf Critic and

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Ben at Golf Lover UK, and we have got a

heck of a lot to discuss.

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Not only.

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Are we going to give our picks for the

upcoming week tournaments, in particular,

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the LIV tournament over in Las Vegas, the

weekend of the Super Bowl is going to be a

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big one.

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But we're going to analyze and deep dive

that cracking weekend of golf, wind and

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weather that we've just seen across men's

golf.

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It's been a really, really interesting

week.

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Of course, if you've been asleep, it was

the season opener on LIV golf.

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Mayakoba, we also had the AT&T.

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at Pebble Beach and an honourable shout

out to the Bahrain Championship on the DP

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World Tour, which featured a really

endearing win for someone that I think we

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all wanted to see back in the winner's

circle.

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So we're going to dive deep into that in

just a few minutes.

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Before we do that, a quick shout out to

all of our supporters.

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It's really nice to see people supporting

Golf Lovers United.

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It's really nice to see people joining the

fan zone.

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And we need to give a big shout out.

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to Tony Gentile who joins us as a fan over

at glugc.com slash support.

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The fan zone is open to everyone and you

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glugc.com slash support.

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with us wherever you get your podcasts or

your entertainment.

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So without further ado, let me shut up.

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And I'm going to bring on the wonderful

Ben, the wonderful J.

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Ben, how are you, my friend?

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You had a good weekend.

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You enjoyed the golf?

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Yeah, I did enjoy the golf and a happy

birthday to Tony Gentile.

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It won't be when he's listening to this,

but I believe his birthday is today

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because I was chatting to him on Messenger

on Instagram.

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So happy birthday to Tony.

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I'm gonna guess Tony is a youthful 16.

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He's not, but he might like that.

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He would probably, I think we all like

that.

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It was all very useful.

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I'm sure he's very useful indeed.

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But yeah, thank you so much, Tony.

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Thank you for joining us.

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It means a heck of a lot.

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And Jay, how are you, my friend?

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You doing all right?

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Yeah, everything's good.

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Definitely dealing with a little bit of

bad weather here in the Bay area that

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definitely impacted Pebble Beach.

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We saw a lot of PJ Pro's that were making

some bad weatherman content over there in

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the Monterey Peninsula when they couldn't

play on Sunday.

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But yeah, navigating things pretty well.

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Everything going well, though.

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No complaints.

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Good man.

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Well, it's been a busy weekend, hasn't it?

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We should probably get to that.

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The AT&T we saw a 60, which we'll get to

in a bit.

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I'm going to go 60 with an asterisk just

for you, Ben.

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So we'll get to that in just a minute.

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And we saw Ludwig Oberg.

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I need to get that pronunciation right.

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He was starting to make a bit of a move.

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So a little bit of bone contention there.

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Had it gone to Sunday, would Wyndham Clark

have been able to protect his legacy even

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further by coming second?

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Who knows?

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We'll get to that in just a second.

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But also the LIV season opener where we

saw a victory.

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from Legion 13, which was actually it was

fantastic.

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See, really, really enjoyed that a lot to

dig into there and a fantastic win in an

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atmospheric playoff.

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Of course, between Akon Neiman and the

wonderful Sergio Garcia, so a heck of a

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lot to dig into on this one, but let's

just spend a couple of minutes before we

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get to that.

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I just want to give a bit of a shout out

to the DP World Tour.

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It gets a bit of a it's like the awkward

step child at the minute, isn't it?

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No one's really no one's really talking

about it, but I watched it on Sunday.

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Um, Stridham, there was, uh, Dylan

Fratelli, few people in contention on a

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course that Monte had designed in the

middle of a desert, what 10, 15 years ago.

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It was actually quite compelling golf.

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I don't know if you, you watched any Ben

Jay, I know you, you didn't spend much

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time with it, but Ben, did you spend much

time with the DP world tour this weekend?

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I watched highlights, but one thing on the

DP World Tour I'd love to talk about just

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as a quick one is that Marcel Siem, the

German guy, I think a lot of people don't

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realise quite how old he is.

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Like he has been around so, so long.

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He's late 40s.

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Yet another, I look in now, I thought he

finished 22nd, but I'm wrong, he's 23rd.

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Like Marcel Siem has just been grinding on

the European Tour, getting some loads of

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top 20, top 10 finishes for maybe 20 odd

years.

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25 years and it's actually we had Scott

Drummond on the show didn't we who dip

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talked about his performance in the 2004

Wentworth.

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Marcel CM played in that event so like

Marcel has been on tour for a long time

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and just I think sometimes you do forget

there are some absolute journeyman's the

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wrong word because journeyman implies that

you haven't been great and you've moved

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around a bit what would you call it?

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He's just been a stalwart of the tour,

isn't he?

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I think sometimes some of these players

get overlooked.

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I quite like him, he's a bit different.

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He's got the long flowing locks and he's

sort of languid where the way he walks up

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to the ball, yeah.

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I did watch it.

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There is a young guy, I can't remember his

name though.

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The one thing that DP World Tour did annoy

me this week is this young lad who won his

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card and still hasn't had a start.

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He's had to play four or five events in

the challenge tour, so he still hasn't had

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a start despite winning his card.

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And I don't understand how that was

happening.

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And I looked into it.

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not going to get too political but the

reason he's not been getting into it and

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he missed out by three spaces this time is

because of the five players who have been

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parachuted in from a PGA Tour that lost

their card.

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So you know there were five players who

got parachuted in from a PGA Tour onto the

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European Tour.

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That way you've got one bloke who's

qualified and isn't getting a spot because

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people who've been kicked off another Tour

are taking it.

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That to me feels really wrong.

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It's not a dig at the PGA Tour, that isn't

a tour.

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I'm just saying that's actually the PGA,

the DP World Tour.

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You've got a young man who's earned his

card.

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He's done what you wanted him to do.

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He's gone through Q School and earned it.

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And not got a place.

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Oh, it doesn't sit right with me.

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No.

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I get that.

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It's a funny situation.

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Like I grew up, obviously, being over here

in England, grew up watching the what was

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the European tour back then.

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And it I know this feels a bit cliché, but

it always felt a lot stronger than when

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you when you had Westwood coming through,

you had Polter coming through, Rosie was

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coming through.

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But then you also had people like Monti

still playing the tail end of Seve.

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Obviously, Bernard Langer was a massive

stalwart on there.

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And it just.

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It's wild because it almost felt more

global back then than it does now.

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And it's sort of, like you said, it's sort

of weird to see.

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Like I never really considered the

European tour to be a weaker tour back in

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the day.

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It may well have been, and I may just not,

I may just not have had the information,

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the data or the opinion to see that, but

it always felt that Monte and Langer could

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go toe to toe with, you know, whoever

Duval and whoever else on, in that

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generation.

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And it just it is just increasingly

starting to look like.

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It's just a shame, isn't it?

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It's just looking like there's not much

care and attention.

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Yeah, I know you've got some thoughts on

where that to us sits, but yeah, I don't

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know if I got that wrong.

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Is it is that just is that like rose

tinted glasses from like the 90s or what?

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No, I think you have it completely right.

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I think that the European tour of old, it

certainly is, it is not that anymore,

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unfortunately.

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And part of it has to do with the

decisions made by leadership and Keith

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Pelly.

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And honestly, this strategic alliance with

the PJ tour just is not panning out the

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way that anybody wants.

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I think that, and I think this is

something people need

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uh, two, two and a half years ago, the

European tour had a chance to partner with

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the PIF, um, and that would have allowed,

um, access to the LIV players playing in

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European tour events.

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Now, if you combine the LIV players with

the European tour players, you start,

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especially now, I think if you combine

those two against the PJ tour, I mean,

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you may be looking at a tour that's a

little bit better than the PJ tour.

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Like I think that that's something that

probably should have happened from the

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beginning.

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Unfortunately, you know, we, we could talk

about, you know, the PJ tour and how

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they've sort of threatened the DP world

tour and their sponsors, if they didn't

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sort of side with them, like that

definitely happened.

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So, you know, I think that two, two and a

half years ago,

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totally unproven thing, they hadn't signed

any players.

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It was a totally different ecosystem then

than what it is now.

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So if you were to sort of reconfigure

things and sort of align the European tour

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with Liv and allow some of these great

European champions to like go back and

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play in some of these events, like that

would be because one, you're able to get

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them access to world ranking points.

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Two, you're gonna strengthen those fields

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number of points available is even more

than what it is now.

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And three, you wind up building up a

competitor to the PGA Tour that's like

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actually on the same level.

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Like that's where I think this whole thing

needs to go.

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And I think that's that may be a world

that we're living in the not too distant

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future.

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Like I think this whole deal with the

merger now is very, very tenuous.

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I think that's probably the most likely

outcome of all this.

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there isn't necessarily going to be a deal

between the PJ tour and PIF.

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I think PIF could go ahead and sort of

take the European tour because we already

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saw in the paperwork, the PJ tour

described it as a distressed asset.

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So it's like, you could easily spin that

off to the PIF and sort of have them

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invest in it.

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And that seems like the most logical thing

to me.

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And I think that it was strengthened the

tour.

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It will allow a path back for some of

these great champions, which is what I

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really want to see.

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Yeah, it's interesting to see the people

coming up, like the Hogard twins and so

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on, coming up through the DP World Tour as

well, because the talent is clearly still

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there.

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And, you know, I think we're going to get

to the fields in a second on the PTA Tour

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and LIV, because this week probably

highlighted beyond all of the weeks where

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men's professional golf is.

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But huge shout out to Dylan Fratelli just

before we do that, because...

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Not one on the DP World Tour for six

years.

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Last year, the guy was thinking about

walking away.

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We've all, look, we've all wanted to throw

our seven iron around a tree from time to

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time, but this is a guy's living.

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It's a guy, Ben's done that.

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Of course, it has probably when he threw

the club championship away for longterm

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listeners, you'll get this.

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The emotions are rife.

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They're huge.

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But this is someone's career.

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It's someone's livelihood.

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So massive props on that one to Dylan

Fratelli.

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Now, we've got to get to the fields then.

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One second, just, I wanna put that name on

that guy.

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So it's 18 year old Englishman Josh Berry

became the second youngest ever player to

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gain a DP World Tour card behind Rory

McIlroy.

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And he hadn't had a chance to play yet

because of the reasons we said.

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However, the good news is he has got his

first start and he will be playing guitar

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this weekend.

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So great to see he's got it.

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But a question should be asked, is six

events in?

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should he probably have been able to play

this far and won his card?

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I'd have thought so, but hey, he's in now

and he's going to get a chance.

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Hopefully he will take the most of that

chance.

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He's 18 years old and hopefully he's got a

great career ahead of him.

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It was just a point just to say that

didn't quite seem right to me.

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Go get your card, go and get your card,

get it and then get a start.

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It felt a bit weird.

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Yeah, it's interesting because it's the

elation followed by the deflation must be

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challenging.

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So we'll see how we get something in

Qatar.

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And yeah, it was something to probably to

keep an eye on in terms of a concept that,

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you know, how often does that happen?

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Does it happen year on year?

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That's that's actually quite interesting,

mate.

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Let's switch gears to LIV in the PGA tour

then.

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I mean, the irony of Wyndham Clarke

winning a 50 hole, 54 hole, no cut

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elevated event tournament while protecting

legacy, I mean.

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Doesn't matter which side you fall on.

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I think it's been a very interesting week.

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One thing I want to talk about Liv in

particular in a minute.

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And obviously, we're going to talk about

the PGA Tour AT&T.

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But I want to preface this with maybe for

the first time ever, whether you like Liv,

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hate Liv, like the PGA Tour, hate the PGA

Tour, like All Golf, hate All Golf,

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whatever.

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It doesn't really matter.

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This is the first weekend that I've

genuinely seen the whole of golf talking

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about the PGA Tour and LIV in complete

parity.

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There has been, and obviously the

weather's played a huge part in that one,

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but it felt like for the first time as

many quote unquote column inches have been

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dedicated to LIV in a positive, even, you

know, worst case neutral way.

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has been directed towards the PGA tour.

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Again, is that is that Rowy Rose tint in

that?

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Or is that how does that feel?

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Does that feel?

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Does that feel fair?

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Yeah, I think that is fair.

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There's been, there's definitely been a

shift, ever really since the ROM signing,

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I feel like there's been this sort of

seismic shift in the ether where people

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have been covering Liv a little bit

differently, they've been talking about it

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differently.

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And the thing is when you look at the

leaderboard, and I posted this on Sunday,

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you have all these, like,

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great champions at the top, number one.

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And number two, you have this global sort

of reach to these players.

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You have players from the United States,

South Africa, Australia, England, and then

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two players from Spain and then someone

from Chile.

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This is the whole vision of Liv actually

playing out in real time.

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And I think that it was so, the finish was

so exciting.

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It was

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You had someone, you had this great

champion like Sergio, who's won, I don't

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know, 36 times worldwide.

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He's a master's champion.

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And then you have someone who's younger on

the come up, Joaquin Nieman, who I have

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said is like, probably one of the best

players, 25 years old and under in the

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world.

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I think that he's the best young player

out there.

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Like these are the types of storylines

that you need.

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to continually build interest in

professional golf.

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And this is something that's been totally

glossed over and whitewashed on the PJ

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tour.

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Is that when you remove all these great

champions from your events, and then you

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have guys coming up, it's like in order

for those younger guys to get like

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legitimacy and like prove themselves, they

have to beat these older champions.

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And it just happens to be like pretty much

all the older champions are over at Liv

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now.

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So I think that's a really important thing

that

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I don't think people should necessarily

gloss over.

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I think that it's something that's really,

really important to sort of to building

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golf up and sort of making it more

interesting is that you have to have these

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matchups.

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And then you have someone like, like John

Rom who is breathing down their necks.

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Like this is like really, really

compelling stuff.

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Like this is something I, I was actually

reading right before we hopped on.

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Like

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Viewership is like up 50% on Mayakova from

last year, which is this huge, huge

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uptick.

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And part of that is they've, they

definitely got viewers that would have

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typically watched Pebble, but you know,

this is, I thought it was a great event.

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Like it was really one of those times.

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It was definitely a top five event so far.

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And you notice every now and then there

are these times when

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LIV sort of up levels and this was one of

those times because it Totally captured

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the imagination of the golf world and I

saw people that have been very negative

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about it for two years Kind of flip and

basically saying and tweeting.

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Wow, this is really cool

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Yeah, I spotted a lot of that myself.

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And I think there's a few elements to that

as well, just to unpick the up and comers

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versus the legacy.

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I think that's an interesting one.

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So Waco versus Waco versus Sergio was it

was a big deal.

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The.

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I think for the first time ever for me.

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There was I keep using this word now, but

there was parity between the field

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strength.

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I genuinely don't think that has been I.

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We can say there's that many major

champions on LIV.

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That's fine.

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It's cool to say, but a lot of them are

legacy major champions.

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And yeah, well, obviously the young up and

comers have got to beat those guys and

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passing of the torch, but for the first

time, when I personally looked at both

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fields and some friends of mine that have

been, you know, on the fence.

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When it comes to LIV for the first time,

there has been no denying that the

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modernity of the field and the mixture of

legacy within the field.

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felt reasonably similar.

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And I think those, the addition of Rahm

Manhattan has, I honestly think in 10

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years time, whatever LIV becomes, that

will be the single biggest pivotal moment

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because it was that has transformed the

brand for me.

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And they did a few things around it for

me, again, they did a few things around

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the broadcast.

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I thought the broadcast was.

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Far better than last year.

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Still a little sketchy in places.

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The pylon was a little bit out of order

against the commentary and like whoever's

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placing the microphones, sometimes the

music's loud, sometimes it's soft and I

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can hear the cup rattle when the ball goes

in.

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Like little details that just, it's all

just through practice, but it's.

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That is not hearing the cup.

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That is an imported noise.

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And the two things that I've said that Liv

need to do is they need to get rid of that

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import.

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And look, we know we like Liv.

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That's not a surprise to anyone.

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But that imported noise when the ball goes

in the cup needs to disappear.

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It's got to go.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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I didn't think it was imported though.

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I thought they actually had microphones in

the cup.

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You sure about that?

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Okay.

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important because twice during the

broadcast, you heard the noise randomly as

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they're walking down the fairway and it is

the exact same noise.

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Because I wondered if they got some of the

channels mixed up, because you heard it a

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few times where a few mic channels are

being left on and there was like someone's

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cell phone went off and it was a bit like

trigger happy TV here in the UK.

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It was, you know, the old Nokia ringtone

jam.

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And it was there's a few little details

like that.

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But again, it's still fairly new.

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I think the quality of everything was

significantly higher.

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Let's talk about that field strength,

because we had obviously.

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Let's think about it this way, OK?

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It felt like there was a lot of parity

between the PGA Tour this week in terms of

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field, regardless of the results and Liv.

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All right, that's the first thing to note.

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But then if you look at some of the

stories that came out of it, all right, we

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had Wyndham Clark, who won with a 60, 54

holes.

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But he then had.

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Let's just say that the next two, Oberg

and Pavon, Pavon won last week and Oberg

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breathing down his neck.

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Franklai, I think he would have picked him

because he was on a bit of a tear.

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And then you had Jakob, you had Sergio.

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But the big stories were people like

Serat, Vincent, you know, they all had

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pretty strong debuts.

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A lot of the argument has been that the

players just aren't there.

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And I just feel like that has probably

changed.

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How important for, Jay, I think this would

be an interesting one for you.

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Those storylines around like people like

Caleb Surratt, okay.

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He for-putted and instead of going to

pieces like I would, he absolutely blitzed

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it.

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All right.

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How important is that when you have

similar stories like Dunlap and, and Oberg

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on the PGA tour, you know, the argument of

strength of upcoming talent.

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Again, that doesn't necessarily seem to be

there anymore.

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It's

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Again, there's a bit of parity.

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Yeah, it's true.

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I think the diversity of talent is

something at LIV that they've really done

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a good job of up leveling from Last season

to this season.

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I think the depth of field You know, we

always talk about raising the floor of LIV

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and I think it was an addition by

subtraction in some ways too, like some of

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the guys like Siwon Kim, unfortunately, I

hate picking on him, but it is what it is

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and then people like You know chase Capca

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Uh, those are like two of the punching

bags of LIV last year.

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Um, and this, this year, like, you don't

really like it.

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If you look at the field, like you don't

really have that anymore.

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Like you have guys that are younger, but

they're, uh, proven sort of talented

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commodities like Sarat.

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Like, um, I think that's something people

it's going to go totally gloss over.

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But when you, uh, totally screw up and

have a four pot

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when you're having a pretty good round,

typically it's gonna go south after that.

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He rebounded immediately and made five

straight parties.

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That's something that people need to

really file away.

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Oh wow, this is really, really impressive.

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And then when you start looking through

the field, there's not like...

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there's not a lot of weaknesses anymore.

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Like I think that the, the relegation this

season is going to be really interesting

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to sort of see who's at the very, very

bottom.

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Because that's going to tell you a lot

about sort of where Liv is going.

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And like we mentioned last week, a lot of

these sort of captains and sort of higher

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level players, like there are contracts

are going to be up this year and next

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year.

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So you start falling down in the

relegation all of a sudden.

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you might not have a spot on LIV in very,

very short order.

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So I definitely think that the depth is

there.

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I think that if people, uh, people are

always going to nitpick, like certain

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players and trust me, I could go to the PJ

tour leaderboard and talk about like all

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these, these people that no one's heard

of.

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I know it because I'm a, I'm a golf sicko.

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Most, most people are not, not going to

know those names.

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The LIV model.

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you get to know these players because

there's less players and you get to know

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them week to week so that by the end of

the season you may not have known who

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Caleb Surratt was prior to two weeks ago.

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Moving forward you're going to know who he

is because you're going to have a whole

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season he's going to play in every single

event against these great champions from

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the past or the sort of current.

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He's on a team with John Rahm, he's on a

team with Terrell Hatton.

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And I think that that's something that's

really interesting and it's something that

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people really need to keep an eye on as

time goes on.

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A lot of these guys you don't know now.

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The end of the season, if you're following

Liv very, very closely, you're gonna know

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exactly who they are by the end of the

season.

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I think Caleb Surratt is, you look at it,

he was seventh, I just lost it, Surratt,

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whereas he was...

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he was eighth in greens in reg and that is

just, and seventh in fairways hit.

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For a boy who they kept saying was

repacking his dorm to be seventh in

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fairways hit and eighth in greens in

regulation is...

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phenomenal and especially consider you had

a four putt to just go birdie and have

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that discipline and that control because

you miss a couple of fairways and a couple

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of greens and you go from seventh and

eighth down to sort of 15th and 20th and

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you're middle of the pack but the strength

of feel for me is fantastic and I look at

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the, if I get the big one, my big screamer

on the phone and I look at that

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Just look down that list and again at

least comparing it to PJ TOR fantastic the

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PJ TOR had a fantastic card as well you

look at Clark, Aberg, Scheffler, Thomas,

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Day, Burns, Rose, Cantlay, Keegan Bradley,

Morikawa in their top 14 and they're all

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big names Neiman, Garcia, Rahn,

Bernmeister, Johnson, Koepke, Hatton,

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Ustaz, and Cam Smith, Paul Casey, Taylor

Gooch like it's just

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Those that you can put that one 14 against

the other 14, it'd be a fantastic,

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fantastic event where you'd probably have

to do a coin flip.

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And that's testament to the characters and

the players they brought on.

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And I think that what for me is so

encouraging is that there are so many

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people saying positive things this time

about Liv that they weren't before.

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And it does feel like a lot of the, maybe

the fence sitters have gone, do you know

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what, it isn't as bad as people made out.

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And I said the one thing that did make me

laugh was it's gone from being, Oh, it's

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a, it's a tour of has beens, which it

never was.

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It's a tour of has beens to going, then I

moaned, then I moaning about the music and

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the team names.

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It's.

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And I get team names are always funny, but

like who, who went, who, who thought Miami

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dolphins and it first came out was a

great, great team name, like.

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The LA Lakers, find me a lake in LA.

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They weren't based there originally.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like they want red socks, white socks.

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It's all moved around.

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Names don't necessarily work straight

away.

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I think that is something that will come

with time and recognition and just

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repetition of it being in existence.

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But look, the PGA Tour had a great level

of player.

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The LIV had a fantastic level of player on

display.

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And I think it's...

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I know people will say, I want them all to

play together.

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Well, part of me doesn't.

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I like them playing a part.

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And I like the fact that the majors are

gonna be where hopefully they all come

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together.

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And if any point ever gets done, a PGA

Tour versus a LIV tour competition, a

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Ryder Cup style event, I don't mind a

little bit of people being on one side and

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the other.

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Let's get them together and let's let them

compete against each other four or five

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times a year.

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They don't have to compete together week

in, week out.

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That's fair.

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That's such a huge thing, just to jump in,

Jay.

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The

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It's wild, isn't it, with the majors?

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Because the comment from, from Yako at the

end where, you know, a lot of people have

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said, almost said it as if it was

flippant, you know, the first thing he

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said on the interview was, you know,

congratulations.

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He said, yeah, but I'm not in the majors.

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And it was, it sounded flippant and it

looked flippant when you see it in black

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and white on Twitter or whatever.

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When you see the guy, like he's upset.

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I know he's in the open because he won the

Australian, but he's upset by it.

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And it is, I think some-

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was it?

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It wasn't flippancy, it was upset and

anger.

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Yeah, it was it was his first reaction.

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And I get it.

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And it just feels like if the cards are

played right, like you just alluded to,

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then the.

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The majors are the clear winners of all

this, if the cards are just played right.

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And because all the ratings go up, all

everything just raises if the majors are

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the only places that these guys are

playing together.

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And it just seems wild, Jay, that we can't

seem to get to that, you know?

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Yeah, unfortunately, and this is something

that I'm going to keep complaining about

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until it's until it's fixed.

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I just I don't know, I don't have any

confidence that the majors are going to

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fix this.

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Like, I don't have any.

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I know David Ferri, basically guaranteed

that walk, I was going to get an invite to

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the Masters.

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I don't see it that way at all.

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I think that the sort of golf

establishment wants to punish these guys.

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And I think that 2024 might be their sort

of last opportunity to do that.

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I think that they want to punish some of

the players that are not in the Masters.

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So they're not going to extend any special

invites.

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I hope that I'm proven wrong.

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I really do.

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Like it will restore some of my faith in

Augusta national if they, they do, because

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if they don't invite walking Neiman, who's

literally only the only reason why he's

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not in the Masters is because of politics.

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Um, like it goes against literally

everything that they stand for.

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They.

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created the Latin America amateur

championships, specifically for guys like

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Joaquin Nieman to get recognition and get

in the Masters.

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He won it in 2018.

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Like it wasn't like that long ago and he

was playing in the Masters.

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He played in it last year and he played

well.

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He finished 16th.

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And it wasn't that long ago that if you

finished 16th in the Masters, you were

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automatically invited back next year.

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So there's a lot of reasons why they could

say, oh yeah, let's just.

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I'll bring him in.

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I think that the whole golf establishment

is very petty.

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I think that they're very upset about how

things have gone with Liv.

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I don't think they like being back into a

corner like this.

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And I think they're going to resist.

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I don't think he's going to get invited.

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I think it's going to be travesty.

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I think that it's going to go against

everything they stand for.

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And I think that.

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Augusta Nashville is going to get exposed

if they don't invite Joaquin Neyman

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because he's this great global superstar

in golf.

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Like I think that he's a super like he's

that good.

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Like I know a lot of talent when I see

Joaquin Neyman is like one of the most

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talented players that like I've ever seen.

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So, um, and for him to not get into the

majors, like I still think he's obviously

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in the, in the open.

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Uh, he's so good.

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Like I.

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I'm pretty sure he's going to want to

qualify for the US Open too.

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And I think his ranking should, it should

be maintained so that the PJ championship,

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he should still be in the top hundred.

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I think it might be a little bit dicey,

but so I think he'll, he'll be in three of

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them, but the Masters is a closed invite.

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Unfortunately, the only way he's going to

get it because he's not going to have

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enough world ranking points to get in the

top 50 for a variety of reasons.

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And it's really frustrating to me because

the majors are supposed to be where the

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best players are all coming together.

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And if you start getting to the point

where you don't have all the best players,

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you're going to start to people are going

to start questioning like, oh, man, like

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you're missing like all these guys.

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Like you're missing one now.

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Maybe next year you're missing five.

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Maybe the year after that, you're missing

10, 15.

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Like all of a sudden you start getting to

the point where it's like.

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wait a minute, like, is this really a

major?

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And that seems crazy right now.

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I get it.

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The Masters is like one of the top golf

tournaments.

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It's probably the top golf tournament in

the world.

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Everybody watches it.

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It's the highest rated one.

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I get it.

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Looking into the future though, part of

the reason why it is what it is, is

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because it's always had the best field.

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And if it starts getting to the point

where...

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Uh, like in two years, Bryson DeChambeau

is not automatically qualified for the

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master's.

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So, and there's a lot of other guys, uh,

at LIV that, that are like that, that too,

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Bryson's probably gonna have to win this

year, uh, to make sure he gets, gets in

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forever, but, uh, that's the thing that's

really frustrating to me.

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I don't know how this is going to play

out.

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Um, I'm hopeful fingers crossed that we

get some sort of resolution to get these

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guys access to the major so that we don't

have to haggle over this.

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except I think for 2024, they're going to

do everything that they can to keep

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walking.

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We shall see on that one not too long to

wait before April rolls around.

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We should get a little bit of news before

then.

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Now, in just a bit, we are going to talk a

little bit about Windham 60 and Yakos 59.

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We're going to dive deep on those two.

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Plus, I think there was a bit of a pivotal

broadcast moment for Liv that got some

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people interested, but before we do that.

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Lovers United.

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Now, Ben, you got some thoughts.

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Wyndham Clark has shot a historic 60 over

at Pebble Beach.

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But you asterisked me.

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What's going on?

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What's the asterisk?

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um, again, what I found and this is what

I'm...

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A couple of people that I get on with,

quite civil with in the golf media, that

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are not, they're very anti-live, have said

things like, why can't you just say well

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done?

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Now, my point is, I did say well done.

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It was an incredible round.

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Shoot 60 is unbelievable.

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But those same people were the very first

people that when Bryson got his 58, went,

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it was lift, clean and place.

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That 58 doesn't count.

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It was lift, clean and place.

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Bryson's 58 doesn't count.

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And when you dare to say the same, and

it's a valid point, look, Bryson's 58 was

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world class.

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Unbelievable.

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What an amazing round.

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It was lift, clean and place.

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:

The 58 still stands, because he's got shot

58.

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Wyndham's 60 still stands, because he shot

a 60.

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The point I'm making is, if you're going

to apply the lift clean and place attack

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to one person, and attacks to one word,

critique, you should be able to apply it

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the other way.

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:

Now, Wyndham's 60 was undoubtedly on the

best rounds that's ever been shot, best

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score for sure, and one of the best rounds

that's ever been shot at Pebble Beach.

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You can't take that away from him.

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It was world class and I watched.

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:

I was about to say something snarky.

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I said, I was expecting 12 shots of

adverts, but the adverts are a problem,

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:

but hey, I'm not moaning about that.

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Wyndham's round was fantastic.

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I was expecting 12 shots of it, and the

guy was flushing it.

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Absolutely superb.

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But we've all played golf when it's lift,

clean, and place, and even if you don't

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:

improve your lie through the lift, clean,

and place, mentally, you feel like you've

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got a better place.

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You feel like your ball's in a slightly

better position, and golf is up here.

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We know that.

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My point isn't that it's not a great

round, and it's not that it isn't the best

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shot score ever at Pebble Beach, which it

is.

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My point is, should we be saying to

ourselves, fairly, is a 60 with lift,

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clean and place, as true as 60, as a 60

playing as it lies?

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That's all I'm saying.

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And I would never have said that if the

comments hadn't been made about Bryson's

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58.

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It was a bit defensive of me for sure.

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But I feel like many of us have been

riding into battle for some of these

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:

people at times because of the unfair

criticism.

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And I think it's a perfect example of.

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Criticizing it on one side and not

leveling the same criticism or being

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crossed that criticism is being given away

That's all it is mark and yeah fantastic

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round best score ever there He flushed it

round there.

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What do you shot a 60 that lift clean in

place quite possibly who knows?

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I tend to think lift clean in place is

probably worth one and a half to two

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strokes

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:

Anecdotal, made up in my own mind, but I

know that for me, if I get a chance to LIV

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clean in place, I always joke, my

favourite time of year is March the 28th

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to March the 30th, when the fairways have

started to dry out a bit, but I still get

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a bit of lift, clean and place under

winter rules.

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So I get the best of both worlds.

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Or when it goes into October, and of

course there's a strict October to end of

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March, lovely stuff.

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I've still got some firm fairways and I

can pick clean and place.

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I said as a joke, that's all I'm thinking.

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It's not that it wasn't a great round, it

was one of the greatest rounds we've ever

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seen.

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It was superb, he deserves all the praise,

but a 60 with lifting in place isn't the

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same to me as a 60 without.

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:

Yeah, I think that's, that's totally fair.

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And I think that the thing about some of

these criticisms too, like all the

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criticisms of Bryson sort of that came out

after you shot 58, it was like, it was so

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disingenuous on a lot of levels.

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Um, and that's, that's part of the reason

why, uh, you know, some of us have sort of

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leaned into the fact that.

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You know, window of Clark 60 was lift,

lift clean in place, but, um, I actually,

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I dove into the numbers a little bit on

Twitter.

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some of the strokes, game numbers about

Windham's 60.

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And people were trying to say, I think he

even said something about, oh, I'd rather

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shoot 60 at Pebble than 59 someplace else.

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He's honestly taking a shot at walking

demon.

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There's no question about it.

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And Windham Clark just needs to zip it

about Liv because there's a lot of

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information out there about why he's not,

he wasn't playing at my Acova this.

693

:

This week we've already shared some of

that information.

694

:

So he needs to just like stop So but walk

walking Neiman's fifth 59 was basically

695

:

almost three shots better strokes game

then window Clark 60 Just because the

696

:

scoring average at my Acoba would was

actually a little bit higher than it was a

697

:

pebble that particular day

698

:

the distribution was a little bit wider

for, for walk, for walking Neiman, which

699

:

makes his 59 again, almost three shots

more impressive than Wyndham Clark 60.

700

:

So because the pebble scoring average of

Pebble was like ridiculously low, it was

701

:

in the sixties.

702

:

So that's something that people need to

sort of, if you are going to dive into the

703

:

numbers,

704

:

a little bit more and I was waiting for

Data Golf to say something about it, but

705

:

they never really did.

706

:

But they were the first ones to sort of

dive into and sort of try to discredit

707

:

Bryson's 58.

708

:

It's stuff like that, that just like

really grinds my gears and it like this,

709

:

it's I'm hopeful that we're sort of moving

into this period of time where people are

710

:

going to start treating these things more

fairly.

711

:

I still think that there's so much bad

information out there or just like

712

:

withholding information or like double

standards and all these things that we

713

:

just have to continue to keep calling them

out.

714

:

It just is what it is until this is fixed.

715

:

Maybe it'll never be fixed.

716

:

Maybe it's always going to be some level

of unfairness in terms of how these things

717

:

are covered.

718

:

But it's our job.

719

:

It's something that I take seriously.

720

:

And it's something that like I

721

:

want to make sure that I am sort of

centering the conversation.

722

:

Whenever it's going too far in one

direction, I'm going to bring it back to

723

:

sort of center.

724

:

That's sort of one of the things that I've

been doing from the beginning.

725

:

And it's part of the reason why people

think that I'm such a LIV shill is because

726

:

the conversation about LIV has been so

negative over the last two years.

727

:

Like, I've been trying to center the

center of the conversation the whole time.

728

:

So I, it probably does seem like I have a

LIV bias.

729

:

And maybe I do, but it's like, you do have

to treat these things more fairly.

730

:

And that's what I'm all about.

731

:

That's what this podcast is all about.

732

:

And we're going to continue to keep

calling out this unfairness and hypocrisy

733

:

until it stops.

734

:

Let's talk about Yakko's 59, which I

watched the entire round on that.

735

:

His putter was on, well, his was on fire

throughout from tee to green and on every

736

:

single putting surface.

737

:

But that could have easily, easily been a

57.

738

:

Missed four footer, four foot four inch on

17.

739

:

Didn't play 18 fantastically.

740

:

short the green, a little bit of a little

bit of a duffer.

741

:

But he duffed it for a 59.

742

:

I mean, holy crap.

743

:

That's pretty solid stuff.

744

:

Ben, that could have easily been a 57

though, man.

745

:

Why the only person whose lower back hurts

watch him in his impact position?

746

:

Surely, mate, surely I can't be the only

person that watches him in impact and

747

:

goes, that's absolutely insane.

748

:

How he get, it's just unbelievable.

749

:

But look, fantastic round.

750

:

He's a great striker of the ball.

751

:

And I think one of the things that Wakka

would say himself, he didn't have.

752

:

the greatest first half of the season last

year on Liv.

753

:

Things weren't quite gelling for him.

754

:

Obviously he was new in some ways with the

team and getting his mates together in the

755

:

way that he did and all that sort of

stuff.

756

:

What other external pressures might be on

a man?

757

:

And we all know, we all have different

levels of form.

758

:

But he's sort of taken that back half of

the season on Liv and got better and

759

:

better and better.

760

:

Got into the DP World Tour in the LIV off

season, played a few events there.

761

:

We know he won the Aussie Open and we know

he won

762

:

fourth and the other event which Minmoo

leave one and he just kept going and going

763

:

and going a fifth place in Dubai and he's

really trending and the thing I get when I

764

:

watch him is he doesn't seem to have any

self-doubt at all.

765

:

Now I'm not saying the other 53 players

have got loads of self-doubt but you can

766

:

sometimes see from what...

767

:

I like it to Mori McIlroy

768

:

When Rory McElroy's got that swagger

going, you know he's gonna shoot with 65.

769

:

When Rory gets going, that strut goes, and

Rory, I joke, he bounces down the fairway

770

:

like he's got springs in his shoes, but

Neiman's almost got a slightly different,

771

:

it's like a quicker to the ball, like

that, and I love it, and you can just see,

772

:

and he gets there, he has long

conversations with his caddy, and the

773

:

relationship they've got is fantastic.

774

:

And I thought his 58.

775

:

Sorry, his 59 was absolutely superb.

776

:

It was a pleasure to watch and a joy to

watch.

777

:

But I am gonna say something about golf

and Neiman from day two and day three.

778

:

Not about the two shot penalty that

happened.

779

:

If you just look, and Greg Norman was in

the booth for a little bit.

780

:

Greg Norman said something and we've all

been there.

781

:

He said,

782

:

Today, because I didn't even get on round

two, he got, sorry, he got the, he got

783

:

the, he got, he was one over.

784

:

And Greg Norman said, sometimes when you

play golf, for some reason, some reason

785

:

you can't explain the voice between a

club.

786

:

And Greg Norman did a fantastic, he said,

yesterday when he shot 12 under, he said,

787

:

They got to the club and they got to the

ball.

788

:

What distance is it?

789

:

175, okay, that's my eight iron.

790

:

I'm picking a random club.

791

:

But it was always his number.

792

:

And he said, you go to round two, and

every time they got to the ball, every

793

:

time you heard him speak, oh, do it at

seven, do it at eight, he was never, and

794

:

golf is so funny that you can shoot a 12

under the day one, and on day two you

795

:

shoot a one over.

796

:

And he didn't play bad golf day two, but

sometimes you're just in between clubs.

797

:

I shot a couple of low single figures,

which I know to Jay is nothing, he shot

798

:

under par a few times.

799

:

But a couple of times I shot low single

figures, everything, I had a four over.

800

:

Every time I got to a ball, it was 125 or

137, like which are the distances that I

801

:

hit my gap wedge and hit my pitching

wedge.

802

:

I mean, it was literally every single, and

I thought about that.

803

:

And I thought, I wonder if there's enough

made of golf about sometimes just that

804

:

ball's in the right place for you.

805

:

Do we talk about that?

806

:

No, I don't think we talk about that

nearly enough.

807

:

Like that's something that is like a

really, that's the reason why great rounds

808

:

turn into great rounds is because

everything kind of goes your way.

809

:

And look, like I said, Joaquin Neyman is

one of the top five to 10 most talented

810

:

players in the world.

811

:

He literally has no weaknesses in his

game.

812

:

Like I have been watching him for a long

time.

813

:

A lot of guys, I tend to sort of...

814

:

find something that's like a little bit of

a weakness.

815

:

And I want to sort of talk about that.

816

:

The one weakness that I thought maybe he

had was like the mental toughness.

817

:

Like I wasn't exactly sure sort of where

he was there, but like to get that two

818

:

stroke penalty right before the third

round that turned his 70 into a 72.

819

:

And then to bounce back and still wind up

winning the event.

820

:

That's something that's gonna go totally

glossed over but it's like a lesser player

821

:

would have like taken that and like It was

going south a little bit in the final

822

:

round like a lesser player would have

probably shot 75 and lost He wound up

823

:

keeping it under part.

824

:

He kept it together Granted it wasn't as

good as his first round like very few

825

:

rounds are but you know I think he was

able to sort of keep his level He drove it

826

:

great his iron game is always solid short

game.

827

:

Good putting was great

828

:

He was able to save some really good pars.

829

:

You know, he just he's a player that has

no weaknesses.

830

:

So like I think part of the reason why he

made such a big deal about the majors in

831

:

the post run is because he knows that he

can win not one, but he can win multiple

832

:

majors.

833

:

There's no question about it in my mind.

834

:

And it just takes him getting in and he's

playing so well now that they better keep

835

:

him out of the Masters because he could

easily go there and win.

836

:

So because he's got the game to certainly

do it.

837

:

So, and he's been trending at Augusta

National the last three years.

838

:

He's been progressively getting better and

figuring out that course.

839

:

And he's still so young.

840

:

He's only 25.

841

:

So it's like, he has his whole career

ahead of him.

842

:

I think that he's, as long as he finds a

way to get in his majors, he's gonna win

843

:

one, I think in the next two to three

years.

844

:

I don't think there's any question to me

about that.

845

:

Um, and he's just, he showed his mental

fortitude and it's something that there's

846

:

other younger players that I'm not quite

sure if they have it.

847

:

One of those players is Ludwig.

848

:

I'm not sure if he has that mental

fortitude just yet.

849

:

He hasn't proven it in majors yet.

850

:

He hasn't even played in a major yet.

851

:

Um, and the one time he was in a big

event, he was in the lead in the third

852

:

round.

853

:

He totally blew up in the final round.

854

:

So, um, at the BMW PJ last year.

855

:

So it's just something.

856

:

people need to keep an eye on as things

continue to unfold this season.

857

:

It's something that I want people to just

like plant that seed so that when it does

858

:

things start going a certain way, you're

more equipped to say, Oh, you know, uh,

859

:

this is some, something we had talked

about early in the year.

860

:

Um, and it's something that I think, uh,

is going to play itself out a certain,

861

:

certain way.

862

:

I'm excited to see how the season plays

out.

863

:

I think it's going to be really

interesting.

864

:

So we'll have to see.

865

:

I disagree massively on Ludwig Eiburg.

866

:

I think that everyone has a bit of a blow

up.

867

:

I don't think that necessarily means

you're mentally fragile or mentally weak.

868

:

I would say one of the things I think that

really helps Eiburg and when I think that

869

:

mentally it's a good thing, he could be

very strong.

870

:

I mean, what we all get to see is that if

you're a natural flusher of the ball and

871

:

you're not a forcer of the ball.

872

:

that really helps mentally.

873

:

If you haven't got to try and force gaps

and force this and force that in just a

874

:

natural flusher, I think that really

helps.

875

:

So I think you've been a bit harsh and

abug there, but we don't always have to

876

:

agree, do we?

877

:

Not at all.

878

:

Disagreement's part of it.

879

:

nicely.

880

:

I'm gonna get this on Twitter.

881

:

You guys like nothing more on Twitter than

going look back at this tweet from 12

882

:

years ago when I said Twitter is amazing

and now look at it.

883

:

It's amazing, I was right.

884

:

You guys are wild.

885

:

I did pick Joaquin Neiman to win this

event.

886

:

So I didn't want to pat myself on the back

here, but I picked him the way Mayako and

887

:

he did win.

888

:

So let's just, let's not gloss over that.

889

:

You can have that one.

890

:

I'll give you that, my friend.

891

:

I do want to get to the picks in a minute.

892

:

We are going to wrap up in a second

because I think you're absolutely right.

893

:

You did pick that man.

894

:

You deserve that one.

895

:

The the picks for the last time I want to

get to, I want to skim over them and just

896

:

revisit them.

897

:

But also, let's get our picks for this

weekend as well.

898

:

But one thing just to finish up on, I

think we LIV in my Acrobat, which I think

899

:

has probably began to change the tune a

little bit.

900

:

We talk about brand quite a lot of LIV and

it's had a lot of work to do on brand.

901

:

I think LIV accidentally got.

902

:

something that it desperately needed this

weekend.

903

:

I think every thing, whether it's a media

outlet, whether it's a golf tour, whether

904

:

it's a startup, whether it's a band,

whether it is a movie, needs an iconic

905

:

shot.

906

:

And I think Live Golf finally got its

iconic shot this week because the TV shot

907

:

from above showing the huge monitor.

908

:

lighting up the green as they played in

darkness, coupled with Sergio saying, Come

909

:

on, let's go and just get it done.

910

:

That they desperately needed that iconic

shot.

911

:

And I think they managed to get it.

912

:

So, yeah, huge, huge props on that one.

913

:

I thought it looked fantastic.

914

:

Now let's get some pics.

915

:

Ben, very quick recap.

916

:

I wasn't around.

917

:

I had tonsillitis.

918

:

Who did you guys and Achille have for my

Acoba?

919

:

Let's zip through those.

920

:

only way to make this work right, is that

we'll do our picks over the season.

921

:

Whoever gets the lowest score wins.

922

:

Cause obviously if you pick Bryson, which

Jay did, and he finished 25th for his

923

:

third place, that's 25.

924

:

So what we'll do is we'll just have three

picks and whoever's got the lowest score

925

:

over the season and Mark standing in for

you last week was Achille and he's done

926

:

you some favors.

927

:

You're off to a flyer.

928

:

So both Achille and Jay picked Neiman to

win.

929

:

Achille had Cam Smith and DJ

930

:

finished eighth and fifth respectively.

931

:

Then Jay despite picking the winner is in

last place because he picked P Reid who

932

:

came 17th and Bryson who came 25th.

933

:

And while I didn't get a winner, I had

Burmeister at fourth, Abe at 20th, and

934

:

John Rahm at third.

935

:

My fireball pick came sixth.

936

:

Achilles range goats came 11th and the

crushes came in second with the teams.

937

:

What I'm going to do is I'm going to

double that up because it's a difference

938

:

of having a single versus team.

939

:

So that's how we'll do it.

940

:

I'll track it over the year.

941

:

No one will be interested apart from me

and maybe like 10 other people who

942

:

listened to this, but I will keep a record

of it.

943

:

So what I need off you gentlemen, I need

your foot, your three singles players.

944

:

You can say who you think is going to

finish first, but the three singles

945

:

players is what's going to, is what's

going to count for your score.

946

:

your team who you think your team will be.

947

:

So let's fly through them.

948

:

If you want me to go first, I'm happy to

go through them first, but we've got a

949

:

rule mark to keep Jay on time.

950

:

You are only allowed to give a 30 second

explanation behind the player.

951

:

That is the rule.

952

:

Cause you know what Jay's like, he could

give you an hour on why Paul Casey, who he

953

:

won the program with, is going to finish

second.

954

:

So if you want my pick, so I'll go first.

955

:

I'm gonna take that as a challenge.

956

:

I'm gonna go first and I'm gonna keep this

all under 30 seconds.

957

:

And also I kinda think that we should only

pick winners instead of the top three, but

958

:

that's a story for a done today.

959

:

Top two, okay.

960

:

All right, top two, I'm going Brooks to

win.

961

:

I think Vegas is his spot.

962

:

He loves Vegas.

963

:

This course, that suits him.

964

:

I think he's gonna play well.

965

:

And number two, I'm going to go DJ.

966

:

I think that he is playing pretty well

right now.

967

:

And then for my team, I got to go with the

four aces.

968

:

I think the four aces played really poorly

in my cove, and they will be the first to

969

:

admit that they are going to bounce back.

970

:

They're going to bounce back in a huge

way.

971

:

They're going to win LIV golf.

972

:

Las Vegas.

973

:

up.

974

:

going to go with Rambo because I think

he's got a point to prove from last week.

975

:

I think he desperately wanted that first

week when I think he wanted to, like they

976

:

kept saying on the broadcast, the new

sheriff in town.

977

:

So I think Rambo has got a big, big point

to prove.

978

:

Um, and he played well.

979

:

So he's coming off that team when as well.

980

:

I also, I think Bryson's probably.

981

:

Trending as well.

982

:

He seemed to feel pretty good last week.

983

:

Um, and for the team, I mean.

984

:

This is, it just feels cliche now.

985

:

We're only two weeks in, but it feels

cliche to say Legion 13, but I just, they

986

:

look that strong this week because of that

fourth, that fourth player counting, it

987

:

just looked really strong.

988

:

Um, so there my picks my friend.

989

:

Okay, I'll allow it this week, but from

now on, after this week, you can only pick

990

:

one captain.

991

:

That's gotta be fair.

992

:

Otherwise, you're only picking the same

seven or eight players the whole time.

993

:

That fair?

994

:

Because if we were gonna pick one captain

and one other, my other would have been a

995

:

different player than I'm gonna pick.

996

:

There is no way for me I'm not gonna pick

Brooks.

997

:

Las Vegas, golf and country club.

998

:

is an old school golf club, very tight,

but still got length.

999

:

So it's going to reward being tight and

accurate and into greens.

:

00:54:48,185 --> 00:54:50,827

I can't, Brooks has to be my pick for

that.

:

00:54:50,827 --> 00:54:53,067

Brooks absolutely has to be my pick for

it.

:

00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:59,011

Now I'm torn between Sergio Garcia going

for another great round, flushed his irons

:

00:54:59,011 --> 00:55:02,192

all day, was a little bit wavered at times

off the tee.

:

00:55:02,192 --> 00:55:05,053

So I'm, I'm going to go for

:

00:55:07,002 --> 00:55:10,164

I'm going to go for Jon Rahm and I don't

want to go for Jon Rahm because I wanted

:

00:55:10,164 --> 00:55:13,566

to go for Tyrrell Hatton because I thought

we were going to do one captain and one

:

00:55:13,566 --> 00:55:15,667

non-captain but you two have got me for

that.

:

00:55:15,667 --> 00:55:17,688

So you've gone Legion 13.

:

00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:22,892

I was talking between Legion 13 and

between Ripper.

:

00:55:23,173 --> 00:55:26,855

I think that Ripper were trending really,

really well at the end.

:

00:55:27,135 --> 00:55:30,457

I have some concerns maybe about...

:

00:55:31,026 --> 00:55:34,987

Surat and Vincent, if they're just their

first time, not in this place, with a big

:

00:55:34,987 --> 00:55:38,549

crowd, they can have a massive crowd,

really tight to people.

:

00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:40,290

I don't know how they're gonna respond to

that.

:

00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:44,511

So I think that the Ripper GC are gonna be

better in that environment.

:

00:55:45,672 --> 00:55:46,952

But I can't overlook the Stingers.

:

00:55:46,952 --> 00:55:47,893

I've gotta go Stingers.

:

00:55:47,893 --> 00:55:49,474

I'm going for the Stingers as my team.

:

00:55:49,474 --> 00:55:50,494

I'm going for the Stingers.

:

00:55:50,494 --> 00:55:52,035

They love a bit of tea to green.

:

00:55:52,035 --> 00:55:53,435

Right, that's that dealt with.

:

00:55:53,435 --> 00:55:54,356

We've done the teams.

:

00:55:54,356 --> 00:55:55,396

I will work out the scoring.

:

00:55:55,396 --> 00:55:58,957

From next week on, gentlemen, it is one

captain and one non-captain.

:

00:56:00,749 --> 00:56:01,126

That's fair.

:

00:56:01,126 --> 00:56:03,687

I think I can smell a spreadsheet coming.

:

00:56:03,687 --> 00:56:07,550

That sounds very much like something Ben

might get on with anyone watching the

:

00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:09,071

YouTube version of this.

:

00:56:09,231 --> 00:56:11,272

You'll see how delighted he looks.

:

00:56:12,434 --> 00:56:16,256

Hey listen, thank you for joining us for

episode 22 of Golf Lovers United.

:

00:56:16,256 --> 00:56:20,399

What a fascinating time it has been over

the last week and will continue to be into

:

00:56:20,399 --> 00:56:27,164

next week of course, with, well, Live Golf

Las Vegas, which has built its own party

:

00:56:27,164 --> 00:56:29,810

hall to compete with the PJ Tour.

:

00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:31,391

over in Phoenix at the Waste Management.

:

00:56:31,391 --> 00:56:32,572

So we will see what comes.

:

00:56:32,572 --> 00:56:34,854

We will be back next week with more of the

same.

:

00:56:34,854 --> 00:56:39,638

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They can tune in their podcast app of

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If you want to get involved in the fan

zone, just like our good friend Tony

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Gentile, once again, happy birthday, Tony.

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You can do so at glugc.com slash support.

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Ben, we'll see you next week, sir.

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Thank you very much.

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And I am probably four to five hours away

from having completed the putting together

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our first event in the UK.

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So I'll have all the information on that.

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And I'm trying to make the date work for

when Jay is gonna be in the UK and Achille

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from Drunk by the Turn so they can join us

on our golf day.

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Get yourself a spreadsheet that'll sort it

out.

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It will be a great day.

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And if you do turn up at the event, you

can bring your own spreadsheet to look out

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for that one.

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Now it will be exciting.

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And you will get to know about that first

if you are a fan zone member glugc.com

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slash support.

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And Jay, always good to see you mate.

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Love you four aces, heart commiserations

on not winning the team event this week.

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Yeah, it was a tough week for us.

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However, like I said, we're gonna bounce

back.

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I can't believe we're already 22 episodes

into the Golf Lovers United.

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By the way, this is really impressive.

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Last I checked through, we've now done

more than I did with the other guy who

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will remain nameless.

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I think that things have been going

really, really well for us.

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We've got a great team.

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So yeah, I'm looking forward to another 22

episodes.

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I love it.

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And as a data guy, I'll tell you this, my

friend, we are trending very, very well in

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terms of downloads, in particular over on

YouTube.

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We are doing really, really well in terms

of what does an average podcast get?

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It's we are in a very strong position and

most podcasts only make it to episode

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seven.

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So we've tripled that record and we'll be

back for more next week.

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So until then, thank you, the ever present

listener.

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Thank you to all that get involved over on

Twitter at GLU Golf Club.

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So until next time, enjoy your golf,

whether you're playing.

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whether you're watching, enjoy yourself,

look after yourself, and we'll see you

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next week.

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