From sleeping in his car to rocking stages with Bay legends, Baby Gas opens up about the hustle, the culture, and the sacrifices that shaped his journey. In this episode of Unquestionable the Podcast, the East Oakland artist talks music, media, acting, and balancing it all with family life.

We cover:

🔥 Early struggles, first studios, and finding his voice in Oakland

🌆 Collaborations with E-40, Richie Rich, and breaking barriers as a Latino rapper

🎶 The role of Spanglish, Latin culture, and crossing into new genres

🎥 Transitioning into media, film, and building platforms with purpose

🎙 Starting Trap Hours & podcasting with his wife during the pandemic

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Family, work-life balance, and the importance of men’s mental health

🏟 Performing at Oakland Coliseum & feeding the inner child with new milestones

It’s a story about resilience, representation, and building something bigger than yourself.

Timestamps:

00:05 Reflections on Struggles and Success

06:09 Celebrating Cultural Identity in Music

12:15 From Personal Struggles to Musical Aspirations

23:12 Transitioning to Media and New Opportunities

32:32 Transitioning to Acting: Embracing New Opportunities

35:16 Starting a Podcast: The Journey Begins

45:00 Finding Balance: Family and Work Life

54:29 Building from the Bottom: The Journey of Growth

01:01:23 The Importance of Patience in Entrepreneurship

01:06:35 The Power of Influence and Collaboration

01:14:46 A New Chapter: Embracing Change and Growth

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I never forget this shit.

I'm over here thinking, like, fuck, I'm catching this buzz.

Everybody's listening to my music, but I'm going to sleep in my car, bro.

And a part of me.

I was young at the time, I didn't have no kids, but a part of me was like, I don't give a fuck.

People listen to my music.

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unquestionable, the podcast.

You're with your boy Chris Bucci, K3, and we're joined with none other than Baby Gas.

Yo, how you doing?

What's going on, baby?

What's going on, man?

Oh, you know, can't call it.

I appreciate you guys pulling up on me.

No, I appreciate you having us, bro.

Congratulations.

Yeah, congratulations.

We trying to create something that's comfortable for people like this to be able to pull up.

You know, I'm a family man, so, you know, my schedule will be crazy, but I'm glad and I respect the fact that you was willing to work around and even pull up, so respect on that.

No, thank you for coming and joining us, bro.

It's been a long time coming.

We definitely been trying to.

Trying to make this one happen.

I know.

Hey, hey, look.

All right.

Person to cat on nobody, man.

But I know you had reached out to me a few times, and, bro, I apologize.

Crazy.

But when I see you being consistent, when I see someone be consistent, I'm not the type to get, like, annoyed.

I'm like, oh, these serious, you know, I mean, we gotta lock in.

So I'm glad we're here now.

Come on.

No, definitely appreciate you, bro.

Appreciate you for real.

We want to start it off the same way we start off a lot of these, bro.

Tell us about yourself, where you're from, what it is that you do.

I go by Baby Gas Gas, the Ghetto Vato, whatever you might know me by.

I'm from East Stan, California.

Deep East St. California, to be exact.

What I do.

I do a lot of everything, man.

Father first.

Yes, sir.

God, fear, man.

You know, artist, entrepreneur, podcaster as well.

I do a lot, you know, I do what it take.

You know, I'd like to tell people I do what it takes, bro.

I mean, so definitely I'll be on a lot of side missions and.

Oh, that's dope.

Honestly, bro, you're doing so much, and we can't.

Can't help but see you around doing.

Whether it be, you know, now you're about to be performing at the Roots.

Congratulations.

That's a big one.

That's a big thing.

Crazy.

I ain't gonna lie.

I'm still a nervous about it.

I'mma keep it real.

I don't know when this episode covered out, but, you know, check back in with me, y'.

All.

You know, it's the first of it.

It's the first time that I do something like this.

You know, just at the end of the day, I just try to put on for my people.

No, that's dope.

It's bigger than where I'm from, city wise and more of like, what can I do for the people that come from places like me.

No, that's dope.

And on top of that, I've seen you with Richie Rich recently, bro.

That.

Oh.

Yeah, that must have been a crazy ass.

Take is good, bro.

Shout out my.

My big bro Royce.

And you know, the people that be playing their parts behind the scenes, whether, you know, it's my team or just like family that, you know it's outside and you know, put my names in in rooms when I'm not in them.

But actually, I bumped into Richie Rich at a Oakland roots game.

Okay, so we bumped into each other at an Oakland roots game.

It was the home opener.

Too Short was performing.

If you was from the town, you was there, you know what I mean?

28,000 seats sold.

Shout out to my guy, Ed Reese, man.

Like, it was.

It was wild.

But he come up to me, you know, we in like this little private club area, and he come up to me like gas, you know?

You know, anytime somebody I grew up listening to recognizes me, it still be like, hold on, bro, you coming up to me.

Well, man, what's up, my guy, man?

Surreal, you know.

So it was dope, bro.

Automatic, you know, it was love and, you know, mandatory.

When you feel the vibe, it's like, bro, let's cook.

Yeah, and I'll keep it real.

I won't say too much about the records.

But he reached out like, let's cook.

I actually reached out to him like, yo, need you on the album.

He reached back out like, it's easy.

Let me know what you want to do.

I'm like, man, I could come through with something that's open already, or we could cook from scratch.

And he was like, bro, let's cook from scratch.

I'll see if I could keep up.

So he pulls up to the studio, man, I'm.

I was the one keeping up.

You feel me?

OG was putting bell to ass over there in the lab.

He was some baby ass.

Yeah.

No, for real, for real.

And and like we said, you know, at the session, it's like, it's.

It's good sparring, you know what I mean?

Because at the end of the day, it's an art.

And, you know, like, we grew up with friends, you know, you might.

You might shadow box with your friend, or you might try to race your friend.

It's healthy competition, healthy sparring.

And, you know, iron sharpens, iron takes.

You back to this sport of everything.

But it goes back to the kid.

Me, bro.

You know, being in these situations, regardless of how long I've been doing this, it'll never get old to, like, really get in something like that.

You know, I'm looking at OG that I grew up.

That we all grew up listening to.

I also grew up listening to some of my favorite rappers, mentioned Richie Rich, you know what I mean?

All I could think about is sideshow with tracks and million, like it was with Rich, you know what I mean?

Like, all that is, like, you know, you get into this moment, you're like, damn.

You know what I mean?

So, yeah, God's good for sure.

That's dope, bro.

You gotta.

You gotta talk because I know you mentioned Richie Rich.

You gotta talk about 42, because 40.

I know you got a song with.

Him, and we're talking about it earlier, and you just gotta walk the people through.

Like, you got a song with Richie Rich, you got a song with 40, at least.

Like, the influential bar artist.

Like, like, tell us about that situation when you just.

You were in the room of 40.

How that all played out.

Well, first and foremost, I tried to keep in mind, like, you know, I don't like to really stamp it.

Like, I'm the first to really do anything, but when I first came out, you know, years ago, you know, I'm 29 now.

You know, I really came in the game professionally when I was, like, 15.

One of the biggest things that I wanted to do was put our people and push our people forward.

It wasn't the coolest thing to be a Mexican rapper, you know, they didn't embrace our people like they do now.

Now our culture is televised, so people feel like it's cool to have amigo, you know, I mean, they feel.

They.

They.

They found out that we was the plug for real.

And then they.

They instantly, you know, wanted to adapt to our culture.

But at the time when I first came out it, you know, as a rapper, people would be like, man, the Mexicans shouldn't be rapping.

Or.

People doubted our, you know, our lyrical exercise and.

And capabilities and one of the biggest things I always wanted to do was stamp myself along the greats.

So, you know, going back to the E40 thing, when I did the E40 thing, bro, it was, you know, the team reached out.

E40 was familiar with who I was, which was another, like, crazy moment.

We was talking about it a little bit off camera.

He was just like, I don't want nothing gas.

He asked me for a dollar.

He's just like, just, if I call you in the future for a feature, just return the favor.

Yeah, and it did a lot for me, man, in terms of, like, recognizing the fact that you could be this big and still rock with somebody that's still coming up, because, you know, tables, my turn one day, whatever the case may be.

So shout out to E40.

I'm not too sure.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think besides, Baby Bash and Baby Bash is in a slightly different lane than me.

I ain't seen no other Hispanic artists with E40.

So when we did the record, I have platforms like World Star actually snatched that up.

And at the time Raw Star was booming.

It was like, it was like 10, 15,000 just to get on their YouTube and, you know, probably like, another 5, 10 to be on the Instagram.

And, bro, they snatched it up.

Shout out to my guy Geo over there.

And then, yeah, bro, I try to really stamp the black and brown because these were the people I grew up listening to.

At the end of the day, I don't do it for nobody but myself, you know, I mean, the younger me, the kid in me, you know, I mean, the game's changing.

The game is a different game than what it was.

So anytime I collab with the greats, I not only do it for myself, but I do it for, like, hey, our people could do it too.

You know what I mean?

No, that's dope.

That's dope for the culture, for sure.

Yeah.

To take it back to the start of everything, I want to kind of rewind it a little bit in here.

What is it that, like, kind of sparked your interest in hip hop in general and even rapping and what started off.

I mean, the career you have, culture.

You know what I mean?

Like, here's the thing, bruh.

You know, growing up and growing up in Oakland, my I.

My mother is Salvadorian, my pops is Mexican.

I grew up with my mom.

Pops was incarcerated basically my whole life.

And my mom barely spoke any English, so it was a lot of, like, Spanish music, banda, you know, cumbias, you know, bachata.

Like anything Latino music, I knew it, you know, we danced it.

That was my culture.

But the reality is that I was also growing up in a multicultural city, you know what I mean?

So I started adapting and like soaking up different perspectives of, you know, where I was growing up.

So the younger years, my younger years, I lived in a certain part of Oakland where it was my apartment complex was nothing but Hispanics, Latinos all through there, you know what I mean?

Not everybody, you know, we had some black folks in there, but they were from Panama, you know what I mean?

Regardless, everybody was Latinos.

We all spoke Spanish, we all share the same culture.

But then, you know, we moved to the deep of the east.

And that's kind of where my neighborhood was.

Regardless of where I was coming from, my neighborhood was all black and brown folks.

And when I say brown, I'm not talking about Mexicans.

I'm talking about, you know, folks from the Middle east, you know what I mean?

Polynesians.

I was the only Hispanic in my neighborhood.

So I started adapting and soaking up all this new culture.

And one of the new things that I was soaking up was my next door neighbors at the time used to be outside freestyling.

And I'm just like, what the is that?

You know, I mean, I knew rap, you know, I mean, come on the radio, whatever it may be, but just the fact of like being out in the streets and still I got to, you know, I don't know if these younger kids do it now, but I got to experience like the little bit of like the older hip hop.

Like when I was in school and somebody found out that I rapped, I used to battle, you know, I mean, especially being Mexican, you know, I mean, I used to have people come to me, hey, you heard, you rap.

Meet me in the cafeteria, man.

It's on you feel me.

And even though we don't do that now, at the time it was like it really showed your, your capabilities in terms of, like you say you a rapper, rap right now, you know what I mean?

Like, you better have something off the top or you better have that one rap written because somebody gonna pull your card.

It isn't like it is now.

You know the game, you know, no shade, but, you know, people make songs from the comfort of their own home.

Sometimes they'll show their face, the.

The song go bigger than them.

It's just a different game.

But at the time when we was coming up, we was outside, so, you know, just watching my neighbors definitely influenced me.

Not for only music, but just the whole Approach that I took from the beginning, for sure.

That's dope.

That's dope.

And then what early steps, I guess, got you inserted into the rap game and took.

Made you, I guess, take it serious.

Like now it wasn't just a, you know, now it wasn't just battling at lunch like you said.

Now it's.

You're looking at it like, I'm really doing this.

I could.

Yeah, yeah.

I. I went to my first studio, okay, So I went to my first studio when I was 13 in Oakland.

Back in those days, about 10, 15 years ago, there was a.

Like a super popular studio that everybody used to go to was called Stay Tuned, Shout Out My guy Jeff.

And at the time, there was an artist, you know, from Oakland, West Oakland, if I'm not mistaken.

Lee Majors, you know, he was an artist, you know, used to rap with the Jacka and all, you know, time before me.

He was an artist, but he was engineering.

So somebody took me to the studio for the first time and Lee Majors happened to be my engineer, you know what I mean?

And once again, you did not regularly see Hispanic rappers.

So I was 13.

I went in there, I had two hours.

I'll never forget the.

I had two hours.

I recorded my first song.

When I recorded my first song, man, all my kids, bro, pulled me to the side.

We went to go holler outside, and he was.

I ain't never heard no Mexican rapper rap like you, bro.

You know what I mean?

He's all, I mean, we gotta cook and come on, I'm a kid, bro.

Don't tell me that.

The next thing I was like, I got a song right now.

So I happen to have a song brat the time called Streets Made Me.

And it was basically, you know, being raised by the street single mom, no pops and Bruh had a similar story.

So we went back in there and for my second hour, me and Lee Majors collab, you know what I mean?

Which, like I said, if you from the town and you new elite Majors was doing at the time, that was major.

That was crazy.

You know what I mean?

So that's like my first song, bro.

They put it on the CD after your session, no email, and you had it on cd, you going home.

You putting that in your boombox, bro.

It was the time to be alive.

How I got into it now, the next step into the game was at the time, you know, there was a guy.

Well, there is a guy.

He's still here with us, obviously, but my guy go to Julio Sanchez out of the city, had A label called this Latin, which was an imprint off the this label.

And that's what I knew.

This.

This was that one group of Latinos from where my I'm from that I was seeing doing the.

So one day, somebody passed me the email and was all like, I can't give you his number, but this.

The email.

So I ended up emailing him and like, yo, my name baby gas.

You know, I mean, I'm 14 years old, you know, trying to do whatever.

I don't know what the.

My email said.

And I attached two songs.

The two songs that I had from that studio session, he emailed back, like, hit me, and he hit me with his number.

And one conversation led to another, and he was like, let's rock.

So I hopped on the this Latin, you know, imprint at the time, and it was definitely like a stepping stone.

That is what showed me the game, the shows, the touring, the studio sessions.

Now, I had attached myself to somebody who had access to different studios.

Not only that, but he was creating something big at the time, which was basically that this Latin label started creating, like, subdivisions in different cities.

So they had, like, this lat in Chicago, this lad in Denver, this land, all these.

This light is around the.

The country, and it gave us an excuse to travel to these states.

So I was 15 years old, pulling up to Chicago, doing a verse in the trenches with some Chicago dudes, and, you know, doing the same thing in Denver, Kansas City.

And that showed me the ropes, bro.

You know what I mean?

And by the time I got to age, I think I was, like, 18.

I didn't necessarily have an issue with this Latin.

It was the fact that it was just me that was signed at this Latin, and I wanted to bring my day one friends with me, and some of my day ones are.

Aren't Latin.

So, you know, I had to start my own, and I started trap hours.

Okay.

The rest was history.

Yeah, that's dope, bro.

I know that you're pretty big, you know, within the Latino community.

And honestly, me being half black, half Mexican, I think it's.

I think it's dope, you know, I think it's pretty dope to see, like, you know, within the Latino community.

Like, I noticed, like, you know, you got a lot of people that you work with.

And then one question I want to ask is, like, what's like a.

How do I phrase this?

I was gonna say, what's like a.

You know, some of the artists that, you know, for people who don't listen to Your music.

And this is the whole point of the podcast.

This is, you know, shout them out.

Stuff like, what's some of your motor, like, favorable, notable like, you know, collabs that you've done within, you know, the Latino community.

Because at least within Oakland, you know, the Bay Area, that's, It's.

That's, you know, very, very big, big and huge out there.

So, yeah, I mean, I don't have too many in the Latino community just for the simple fact that, like, you know, not sure if you ever heard this, but Latino's biggest hater is another Latino.

Oh.

You know what I mean?

And if you ain't heard it, I'll be the one to say it.

You know what I mean?

But in the Latino community, I for sure, you know, always respect the collaborations that I did with my boy Young Chop out of Oakland for the simple fact that we kind of were going, you know, back to back during the time.

Because, you know, around 15, 16, 17, you know, when the label was branching off, I started this light in Oakland.

So, you know, we ended up, you know, creating something, you know, major.

And Young Chop and his team was back to back with us.

So the fact that we was both coming out the same city, you know, both Hispanic, our collaborations always came out dope.

Another one that was always dope to me was Loracas.

So they're from Panama.

They're the first Latinos I ever saw from my section, my city be on tv.

I never forget that.

I seen them on.

On Moondos.

When was that, bro?

I was like, I was probably like eight, nine, around that time.

Yeah, for sure.

And, bro, they had My City on tv.

And this is like, Mundos was like our mtv, right?

So, like, I'm watching all these music videos and, you know, you see people in Puerto Rico and New York and all these different things, and I see Loras and I'm seeing stores that I recognize, streets that I recognize.

That was the most major thing for me as a kid, bro.

The inspiration was crazy.

So, you know, when I grew up, I. I collabed with both of them, Raka Rich and Raka Dun.

And that collaboration's always been major.

You know, I've done some shit, you know, with.

Yeah, I definitely got a lot on the new project.

I got, you know, songs with an upcoming groupo called Grupo M out of Hayward area.

Songs, Fire, definitely.

I'm definitely trying to increase the collab with the Latino community.

Like, I Said, it's just I'm big on people that stand on the same principles as me.

I'm big on collaborating with Latinos.

That's pushing the same line for our people.

There's a lot of no sabos out there, bro, that just don't really care about pushing our people forward.

And there's no shade to them.

Maybe that's all they know.

But I try to do my collaborations real strategic.

I mean, it's chess, not checkers out here.

And being a bilingual artist yourself, I wanted to ask, has that always been in your music?

Was that something that, like, just starting off like you were.

That's what caught my buzz.

Okay.

So the ones that really know me from back then, that's what initially got me.

My buzz was the Spanglish.

The reason that I put the Spanglish on hold is because when I came out, it was uncommon to be a Latino artist and they doubted the bars.

So I had to come with the English bars and establish myself on the bar side of things in English to show the world, like, man, I rap for real.

You hear me?

And then now, like I said, we're in a space where, you know, these, these English speaking artists want to transition and collab with, you know, people from our section.

And it started like in bits and pieces, right?

Like, we got.

Who was it?

Romel Santos was with who?

Drake.

Drake did with Chino Pocas, right?

Bad Bunny.

It was Bad Bunny, but not.

But somebody.

Yeah.

Chino Pakas.

Romel Santos.

That's how you say his name.

And even further back, if I'm not mistaken, Lil Wayne did it with Enrique Iglesias.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think I'm, I think I'm on point with that.

But it started in bits and pieces where people, like, would try to transition, right?

You got.

Who is it?

Justin Bieber.

Despacito.

Yeah.

Like, people slowly start to, you know, kind of transition into that lane.

And I found myself in a space where like, whoa, that one thing that I put down a while ago is, is people are ready for it.

Yeah.

And honestly, a part of me felt like I shouldn't have put it down because I could have been one of the first to really kick it through the door.

I. I didn't know better at the time.

You know, I didn't realize that that could have been what really, like, stick me out in the industry.

But it's cool.

We're in a space right now where we could come and deliver.

And hopefully, I mean, this space continues to grow because now it gives Us that space to like, move around from just rap transition to.

I mean, I just released my first Latin house record, Sick as I mean, performed at a raid for the first time, bro.

That was insane.

That's dope.

Yeah.

What was that at San Jose?

Downtown San Jose.

Okay.

It was lit.

That's what I'm talking about was major DJs from all over.

And, you know, I'm thinking like, shout out my guy, Clayton Williams and Soul Siete.

You know, I'm thinking like, ah, this ain't my style.

But luckily I surround myself around creatives who push me and they're like, yeah, bro, but you got to, bro, like, this music is growing right now.

And I did, I. I gave in.

I did one record and we done got it on 94.9.

While 94.9 in the bay, we done got it in Sacramento, Valley stations.

And people, like, are adapting to this.

I'm like, all right, well, let's get work at work.

That's dope.

No, that's dope.

So moving on, bro, from the music, obviously you transitioned.

You said Covid was the time you transitioned into trying to get more into media and move outside of music a little more, right?

Yeah.

What.

What kind of drove that originally and what.

Where.

How did you guys start, you know, saying what you don't.

Yeah, saying what you want.

Yeah, it's.

Honestly, bro, I think I got, you know, in a.

In a space where, you know, you're in this industry for so long and you got to realize, like, the only way that you'll make it being in this industry for so long is, you know, being relevant in some way, you know, and some people, you know, end up going to doing some weird.

You know what I mean?

Like, you see a lot of artists doing weird because they want to make headlines again.

And, you know, that's just not me, bro.

You know what I mean?

Like, I try to keep.

I try to stand on the principles I've always stood on.

I'm a family man, so I try to do something that was going to keep me in the people's view.

And I think a couple minutes ago we had the conversation of like, yo, Gas, I'm seeing you everywhere, not just music wise.

And that was the goal.

And this is some real game for anybody who's in this industry.

And coming up, I think people fall for the misconception of, like, you gotta have like this super dope music.

You know, in today's time, the.

The game's changed.

I come from where you had to have talent, but with the game that we have now, it's about you being a likable person.

So when you make people fall in love with you as a person, they will literally support everything you do.

Bro, I've done.

I mean, I've been in tequila business.

I've been in the cannabis business.

We don't sold merch.

We didn't did meet and greets.

We done did everything.

And every time people go and support just for the simple fact that they're like, I fuck with you as a person, you know, I mean, like, you remind me of me.

I want to be like you, whatever the case may be.

So when I did the podcast, it was just a way of me showing people another side of me, you know?

I mean, like, you listen to, you know, you look a baby gas, and the first thing you do is see my hit songs with, you know, me riding in the car with a Mac 10, you know, that's the younger me, you know, I mean, not saying that, you know, like, I'm a. I regret any of that.

Like, I'm proud of all my work.

It was.

It's where I come from, and it was a time.

But I think at the end of the day, we get older.

I'm not here to compete with the younger generation.

So I find my lane, and when I build my lane, I stay in it, you know?

And most importantly, you know, to all my younger people over there watching, man, I think that what I did was I built my platform big, brick by brick, you know, some people, you know, build their houses super quick, but it ain't sturdy.

Somebody the other day reached out to me, was all, like, guys, you kind of have like a.

Like a cult, like, following, you know what I mean?

I wouldn't say cult.

You know, I mean, like, all crazy playbook, supportive, but super supportive supportive, bro.

Yeah, super supportive.

I mean, I'm seeing the same fans that will come to a rap show.

I'll see them at my podcast live shows, or I'll see them at my meet and greets.

Or, bro, I could.

I could play soccer and they gonna pop into a game, you know what I mean?

Like, it's just.

Was dope, bro.

So that is what motivated me to, like, switch into media.

And not necessarily switch, but start dipping and dabbing into, like, these side missions.

You know?

Who's a good example?

And I'm gonna just throw this out there is Marshawn Lynch.

Oh, yeah.

Perfect natural, bro.

Marshawn Lynch.

Well, it was a beast on the football field, right?

But you'll see Them on Survivor, you know what I mean?

You'll see him.

Snoop did the same thing.

Chilling with, like, bro, it's when you start doing these side missions, and I think that that's what some of the newer generation tries to shy away from is like, when you're an artist, you're an entertainer, you know what I mean?

Like, I've.

I've done all types of bro.

I've done commercials, I've done voiceovers, you know, acting like, you gotta remember, brothers, the whole point of the rap game is to be a stepping stool for you to get into other stuff.

You not gonna be the hottest thing forever.

The new and improved versions of these kids is coming out crazy, bro.

You gotta either, you know, don't be.

What?

Don't be one of them old heads that try to close the door on the younger generation.

Do your thing, you know, you know, each one, teach one, pass down the game and you know, that's how you gonna stay relevant.

No, definitely, definitely.

Was, was there any hesitancy starting it off?

Like, did you have hesitancy with all that accessibility that you were opening up to?

I. Nah.

You know, a part of me, you know, when I was growing up, some of the people in the industry, you know, believe that, like, having too much access, People having too much access to you can dumb down the, like, celebrity status.

Exactly.

But honestly, bro, that's like, you gotta come into this with a goal.

My goal has never been to be like this, a list celebrity that gotta, like, cover his face when he come out the restaurant.

That's not what I want.

You know what I mean?

Everybody gets to decide how big they want to be.

No, for sure.

I mean, like, I. I've never intended to be that big, you know what I mean?

And I think that's what, you know, going back to the younger generation or some people that weren't taught no better.

Like, people think that you gotta be like a multi million dollars a year individual to be successful.

But, you know, when I quit my job, my last 9 to 5 job that I had like a decade ago, you know, one of the things that I took into consideration was like, well, how am I gonna survive?

You know, I mean, because I just went cold turkey.

I just went like, I'm gonna do this.

And I thought to myself, well, let me compare it to a job, you know what I mean?

If I'm making a hundred dollars a day at a job or 150, I gotta make 150 on this a day in order to survive, in order to, you know, Match the.

So people don't realize that a doctor is out there making like a quarter meal, right?

Depends what type of doctor.

But there's doctors out there making a quarter meal.

You could be an artist making a quarter meal and be good, bro.

You ain't got to make billions dollars a year.

You ain't gotta make a million dollars a year.

There's different levels to success.

Whatever you comfortable, whatever makes you happy.

So, yeah, I've never tried to be like all the way up here, you know what I mean?

So I came in the game with an intention.

No, definitely.

I also think there's something to say about, you know, that accessibility now is like almost currency in today's day and age with how like social media is and stuff.

All that access, whether it be Twitch Kick, all those things, like, that is what grows, you know, fandoms.

That's what Kai Sonat did.

And honestly, you even look back at like the Keeping up with the Kardashians thing and how they open doors and let everybody have an opinion and see their lives.

That's what made them as big as what they are.

And I think like you said, oftentimes people making that transition, they kind of turn a blind eye to it because they're like, oh, it's going to turn down my celebrity status or it's going to impact me negatively.

But like you said, you, it.

I feel like if you water where it grows, like, it ends up making it way bigger anyway.

Yeah.

And if it's.

And if it's in your business plan, so be it.

I mean, to some people, don't get twisted.

Some people at work, it works.

You know, being like a, like an actor, you know, you got people like Denzel Washington, you know, barely at this age, doing some interviews, you know, probably don't even be on social media, you know, like, that's, that's that status.

Whereas, like, you saw Denzel, you met Denzel, it's much more, you know, like, damn.

Because not everybody meets him.

But that's his.

That's his way of doing things.

Then you got artists, you know, that are coming up where we, where we from, like little Russell, you know, shout out to bro.

We had the privilege of having him on our podcast, the dude Selling experiences.

Or we talking like a level up.

I mean, look at Chris Brown.

Chris Brown hugging for a thousand dollars.

He been your girl over for a thousand dollars.

It's the experience, bro.

And there's like, that's what people don't understand.

Like, some people might think it's corny or whatever.

But there's women out there who really grew up, like this dude was their crush.

And like, for a thousand dollars, you telling me I can take a picture with this dude hugging me from the back?

You know, like, as funny as it may be, that's inexperience.

And you can talk about that for years to come.

You can blow that up and have that in your living room.

You hear me?

Like, it's just, you know, when you create a certain experience and that's a prime example, that's a big, That's a pretty big artist.

Yeah.

And he.

Given the, the, the chance of somebody just talk to him, touch him.

A lot of people don't like being touched.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So that's major in this way.

No, definitely, definitely, bro.

And we were talking about actors you recently.

We were talking about a little earlier, you recently did Splash City.

I wanna, I wanna hear a little bit about that experience.

Not only that, but also the process of shooting a movie.

Yeah, the process was dope, bro.

I mean, you know, obviously movie wise, can't really talk too much about it, but the process, the experience was dope.

It wasn't my first time on a set.

I, I've, I've played on a, on a comedy show that's on tubi called Ghetto Busters.

It's a spin off to Ghostbusters.

And I play a paleto man in there.

Okay.

I mean, so I'm like episode one or two, I, I don't recall, but I did like a little bit of comedy.

But the acting, you know, was always something that I wanted to dive into.

Right.

We have plenty of people that have done it.

You know, we've had, you know, we've had the ice cues, the Will Smiths, you know, that have transitioned from music and been pretty successful in the film.

I think like anything I do, bro, I just try to understand it.

I try to like really dive into it, you know, I mean, I go.

I don't really be talking about it because if we.

Seeming like I dive in too deep to shit.

But when I did that film, bro, like, I auditioned for the role, you know, somebody pitched it to me, was like, yo, think you'd be crazy for this?

Audition for it?

You know, and we, I wanted to do it.

Not in the sense, you know, just because Like, I wanted people to pick me because who I was, but because they genuinely liked what I brought to the table.

So aside from Splash City, there's a lot of stuff that I got coming out, and, you know, I'm dipping and dabbing to a lot of things.

I like the comedy.

That's my.

Even, like, on smaller scales.

Me and my wife would do, like, a lot of skits on Instagram, which is a form of acting.

We'll do, like, a lot of short films when we release albums, which is, you know, acting.

But most importantly, like, my goal is to really dive in into, like, real deeper dramas, to be able to once again, push our people forward.

Or some of the biggest Latino actors you see, they're in comedies, you know, I mean, like, when.

When we gonna get a Hispanic Denzel that's really gonna bring that out?

You know what I mean?

It might or might not be me, and if it's not, hopefully somebody else pushes that envelope, but somebody gotta start putting our people in these rooms and be like, we could be taken serious, too.

Yeah.

Sounds like you're a multifaceted man.

It's crazy to see, you know, you got your own podcast in the background right here.

Coming from a podcaster, man, and just.

And just talk about, you know, just being in the podcast world, you know, as a rapper, being multifaceted and stuff.

How did you guys start?

Did it come from just a quick idea or you just, you know, hey, let's just get in.

Tap in this lane and see where it goes.

We.

It was during the pandemic.

We started, like, a Instagram live, and.

And we just played games, me and my wife, you know, shout out to my wife, bruh.

Cause, like, our platform has a lot to do with, like, me with my wife.

That's really the truth.

Like, yeah, she's shaking her head back.

Y' all ever watch back in the day, like, we will a bam.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he.

Brad just always with his parents.

Yeah.

Like, I've been putting my wife through some, bro, but I think that, like, it ties into everything.

I try to tie in everything that I do professionally.

I try to tie it into, like, family, you know, so it doesn't really, like, take away.

Me and my wife work together.

A lot of people be like, man, you work with your wife and still come home?

No, your wife, like, you must be tired of your wife.

But when we, like, in this.

In this industry, bro, like, you get to have, you know, fun with your.

With your dog, with your road dog, your right hand, you know what I mean, so we went live one time, and we just, you know, started seeing people chime in and, you know, people.

This is during the pandemic, so no one had to go to work.

Everybody was running off stemmies, you know what I mean?

And people are chiming in.

Yo, y' all going live today.

Yo, y' all going live today.

Everybody chiming in.

And, bro, one thing led to another, and when I saw the podcast thing was becoming a thing, I'm like, I want in on that.

You know what I mean?

And not necessarily because I. I wanted to create a platform.

I. I'm not a fan of the platforms that just get to gossiping and try to do all that messy, you know what I mean?

We just like having raw conversations and bringing size out of ourselves in our guests that the people don't naturally see, you know what I mean?

Now, I've seen people.

I've seen venues that used to deny me, like, music venues.

They used to deny me to perform there when I didn't have a podcast.

Cuz, like I said, you look up Baby Gas, and it's just this dude in the hood.

People, guns, all this, right?

Like, I get it.

But when I started doing a podcast and you search up Baby Gas, now you got clips of me.

We.

We laughing.

It's me and my wife, me and my kids.

You know, you're.

I got more of a balanced lifestyle now.

Those same venues that was denying us was like, yep, it's good.

Come through.

I would love to have you.

You know what I mean?

So somewhere along the lines, I'm not sure, you know, those people.

Some people just, you know, it's a stereotype.

I'm like, bro, like, it's music.

You know what I mean?

How the Ice Cube become a rapper gangster than the.

You know what I mean, he out here doing.

What was it?

Are we there yet?

You know, not only is the game changing, but the audience too.

So I think we got to go back to the fact that, you know, we're entertainers.

No, at what point did you know that it was time to get into live shows?

Because obviously, like, as a.

As a podcast, as a podcasting group and stuff like that, wanting to obviously keep on moving up and stuff.

At what point did you know, like, hey, like, let's start doing this live for people.

There's no.

There's no time.

You just.

You just did it.

You just got to be down to fail.

Yeah, you gotta be down to fail.

That's the best thing.

Like, a lot of people, like, try to like, wait for the right moment, you know, for it to be, like, time.

Because they don't know if they'll sell enough tickets.

Like, it's okay, bruh.

Like, if you sell 10 tickets and give away 20, that's cool, bruh.

Yeah, that's 30 people in the building.

You know what I mean?

And, like, I think that the social media thing has kind of, like, you know, really, like, tampered people's brain because they see, like, 30 likes, that ain't.

That ain't enough.

100 likes, that's not a lot.

You go.

Go put 100 people in that backyard right now.

See how big it looks.

Yeah.

You know, and give them a good time.

Give 30 people a good time.

Watch them go tell their friends, and next time they go, bring a plus one, you know, I think, like, if you get away from that, like, are we ready?

Is our platform ready?

Is our fan base ready?

You know, it'll just not.

I wouldn't say it'll never happen, but you might come in that too late.

You know, I've.

I've did it too many times in my life, bruh, where I thought of an idea.

Even my wife has thought of an idea.

And then we come back two, three years later, and it's like, we thought of that.

You know what I mean?

Like, we didn't do it, though.

You know, I forgot who it was.

Don't quote me on that.

I think it might have been Elon Musk or somebody, but somebody was like, why you ain't afraid to give out the blueprint of your ideas?

And it's like, 95 of people won't.

Execute.

99, probably.

Exactly.

You know, I mean, they just won't execute, bro.

Somebody could have the whole sauce.

Every ingredient still won't cook up.

You know what I mean?

So it's like, do your.

Bro, if people watch you on YouTube, if people watch you on Instagram, like I said, you start small.

Sell people the experience or don't sell it at all.

Maybe it's free the first few times.

That's one thing me and my time, me and my team do, bro.

We not scared to fail.

We're not scared to do a podcast out there to 10 people.

You know, I think, like, I've.

I've seen people who.

Whether it's music, I've seen it more commonly in the music side of things, because the live show for podcasts ain't as common yet, but on the music side of things, people will be like, there's 10 people out there.

I ain't performing, but it's like you literally dog 10 people that came to watch you, bro.

You know what I mean?

You were so worried about the people that didn't show up and completely dissed the 10 people that showed up.

You know what I mean?

So I've always learned to like, you know, put on a show as if there's a thousand people watching.

And I think those are the people that win too.

Like you said, even the wrestle's whole formula has been that he f. He's invested more in the experience than he's invested in the numbers or who comes out, you know, and next thing you know, you look up and it's all sold out.

You know, you go in place to place and you.

You get lost in that journey.

So I think you're.

You're absolutely right.

Just focus on creating that experience, whether it's in music, whether it's in.

And I respect br Honesty.

He made a post the other day where he talks about that, like, you guys see all these shows that I'm doing in my backyard and you don't realize that cost me 20,000 a show to just make happen.

Yeah.

From like the team, everybody that plays a part, 20 bands.

And he said the show sold out already and he's only made 12th, you know what I mean?

So it's like you $8,000 in a hole.

But he knows it's bigger than that.

He knows the return will come.

Exactly.

You know, just like any other business.

That's why like the.

The industry people got to realize too, like, anything you do, it is a business.

So I recommend a lot of people getting into the industry whether you're in entertainer or not.

You know, we, I mean, not.

I didn't graduate high school, but I did make it a senior year.

Econ and government is a big part of what you utilize now, bro, because you get to utilize, you know, some of the.

You learn in terms of like, this is a business, you might be entertaining somebody, but if you want to entertain people for a living, you got to look at it from a business perspective and realize you really got to monetize this shit.

And.

And so going back to the taking the loss, a lot of people start their business and take none, but.

Ls from the first two to four years to they see their first bit of profit.

So it's the same thing, bro.

You might not get people at your first few shows, but keep doing them and might be like, bro, I've been meaning to come, you know, to one of your.

And bro, we and we done did some where I done had, like, one person fly by themselves from Arizona to come out a show that we had in San Jose.

Like, what the.

And then, you know, when they tell me, you bless those people.

Like, last time we did a show in San Jose, it was one guy came by himself from Arizona.

I sent them to the merch booth.

We gave, bro, like, $200 worth of clothes.

You feel me?

If you're gonna pay for a plane ticket.

Plane for a hotel, pay for a ticket to come to the show.

I need more.

Multiply that one person.

No.

And that's.

That's dope, bro.

Because honestly, I think.

I think that's the method nowadays is.

Is literally pouring into those who pour into you, because that's.

That's what will come back tenfold.

Like you said, the rest of will lose $8,000 on a show that he knows is gonna touch his community, and he knows it's gonna touch the surrounding community and make 10 other people want to go to a show for the first time.

You know what I'm saying?

So he'll get that dollar back and then some later on.

And he motivated the.

Out of big people, and he's motivating the people.

Under.

Yeah, for sure.

You know, under.

I think the under is a given, though.

But when you see people that are up here, that's looking down there.

Because, like, I just said this to somebody the other day, like, you can have all the money and success, but you can never buy the people, bro.

You can never buy the people.

You know what I mean?

Once the people take you out, you know what I mean?

You.

It's over.

You decline from right there, you know what I mean?

Well, regardless, if you're in the industry, you could be.

You could be a mob boss.

You could be a kingpin, you know?

I mean, even the biggest kingpins give back to the people.

Once you don't got the people, bro, nobody got your back.

You hear me?

So it's a.

It's important for people, you know, take notes for sure.

Yeah.

Because you're not alone in this world.

There's a lot of other people that are making the world go around.

You know what I'm saying?

Take attention off of you and give it to.

To the next person.

100.

Yeah.

And it's like, yeah.

Be mutually beneficial to those around you.

You know what I'm saying?

But, no, that's dope, bro.

And obviously, we've already talked about your music, bro.

We've talked about acting.

We've talked about the Podcast, it sounds like the list goes on.

You've done cannabis so many different businesses.

How do you balance everything, bro?

What do you do for you?

What.

How do you, you know, ground yourself and come back to.

I, I just.

I just, you know, play with my kids, you know, I mean, chill with my wife.

You know what I mean?

Like, me, first of all, me and my wife, when we, like, away from the camera, even in front of the camera, but when.

When it's just us, we.

We just, we the stupidest people out, bro.

Like, we do the dumbest, bro.

I'm telling you right now, like, we the biggest kids for sure.

Like, there's times where me and my wife just be in bed, non stop laughing.

Like, I think I'm, you know, it don't work for everybody, but family is just big to me, bro.

It's just, you know, I come from not having nothing and, like, family's all we had, you know?

So when I grew up and I created a family of my own, I wanted us to be, you know, sort of like that too.

So what do I do?

For me, I think everything that I'm doing as far as working is for me, you know what I mean?

Like, I've been able to experience in and peep all this that I've never thought I've ever do, you know?

Know what I mean?

And, like, I've learned along the way, you know, I've learned, I've been taught, I'm forever a student, so I always take advice.

And one of the things that I learned recently is, like, sometimes we get so caught up in, like, our destination that we fail to realize that the real fun was on the journey.

You know what I mean?

Like, just the way there, bro, no, 100% started from the bottom is the sickest, you know?

I mean, like, that's.

I think that's why I've been so, like, attracted to my podcast, because it's one of the first things that I've had in a lot of years that I got to build from the ground up, you know?

I mean, I think we just hit like, 29,000 followers today.

Congrats, bro.

Yeah, but, you know, it was.

It was 29,000 followers from people just watching genuine content, you know what I mean?

I got obviously, like over 100 on my personal that I've built over the years.

But to start something new from zero and be like, yo, I've done this here, let me do this here.

And it's working, bro, that excites me, Brad.

I'll be.

I'LL be the last one to go to sleep first.

When I wake up, like, just trying to see, like, what's next, you know, that's dope.

But, yeah, bro, just keep, you know, family close.

God first, you know, I mean, I think it's, like, super important because you can lose yourself in this.

No, 100%, bro.

I've.

I've lost myself in this for sure.

I ain't afraid to hop on this and say it.

Yeah.

You know, you could.

You could get lost in the sauce, you know, I mean, it's important, you know, success comes quick, you know, next thing you know, you put in, like, the important on the back burner because, you know, you got all these things coming at you, but some things ain't worth it.

Sounds like, you know, as far as, like, work, work life balances, literally, like, your life, like, you know, working, taking care of the kids, family, and stuff like that.

That's.

That's how you cope.

That's your outlet.

Stuff like that.

That's it.

Like, you know, and that's dope because we were talking about it with Stewie last week, about how so many people don't even.

Don't prioritize work life balance.

They prioritize a dollar amount.

They prioritize these experiences.

They prioritize these milestones.

And I guess that's kind of why I even wanted to ask.

It is because oftentimes, especially as men, we don't talk about work life balance.

We talk about trying to.

Now we got to level up.

Oh, we got to go.

Which obviously hustle culture.

You want to hustle, you want.

We want to build something from the ground, like you said.

But at the same time, you know, something that grounds you back to reality.

Like you said, you, your family, and.

I mean, you know, we got a full man sitting on this couch.

I think, you know, it's important to even, you know, bring up the fact that, you know, men's mental health is important.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, you gotta.

You gotta be able to, like, really balance that because, yeah, bro, as men, we were built to be providers, protectors, and sometimes we don't have enough left over for ourselves.

So you got to kind of like, you know, balance that, you know?

And I think.

You think.

I think it's really just, like, staying busy, you know, I'm.

I ain't gonna sit here and act like I got the key to success in life, you know what I mean?

I mean, I'm only human, you know?

I mean, but I definitely.

I definitely learned over the years I didn't.

I didn't.

Took some crazy losses, you know, I don't lost people.

I don't lost stuff.

Stuff that is replaceable.

Some ain't, you know, some ain't replaceable.

But I think most importantly is like, you know, keep everybody close, keep your people close.

Don't forget why you even doing this in the first place.

Everybody might be doing it for different, but I got five kids, I got, you know, basketball, team.

Point cardi shoes.

You know, all that.

So it's just that, bro.

It's just that, you know, I mean, depending on what you thriving for and trying to break the generational curse is the biggest thing right now that drives me every day, bro.

Like, we always talk about off camera, you come from nothing and you try to build a little something and we, you know, we talking about the Oakland Coliseum performance that I'm doing, bro.

I got my whole family pulling up to that, you know, my kids, everybody.

I don't know when's the last time we go, next time we gonna do something like this.

Exactly.

Just pop up, just soak it in and experience it for the moment.

That's so dope, bro.

Yeah.

And again, congratulations, bro, because that's like, you know, looking back as we were all kids that love sports growing up, you know what I'm saying?

So to.

Even.

My first.

My first baseball game was at that Oakland Coliseum.

I shot Derek Jeter, hit a home run, first inning against the the A's.

Back in the day, we went to the game.

Yeah.

And I remember it.

It's just like to see, you know, you know, you grew up watching that stadium and to be able to grace that.

Yeah, bro, in a way, it was like those type of things were like the only thing that we had that was not the streets.

You know what I mean?

Growing up, all we had was the streets.

Before we was in the streets doing dumb shit, we were just kids in the streets, riding our bike, playing outside.

That's all we knew.

Like, single mom, you know, I'm one out of four siblings, you know, you talk about going to a baseball game or a football game or.

Matter of fact, one of my.

One of my podcast sponsors took me to my first NBA game earlier this year.

Last year, my whole.

My whole life, I ain't never went to no like that because I was been.

I've been grinding, you know, I mean, I've been trying to get to the next level.

And my.

My kid years, you know, moms was working double jobs and even if she did have time, you telling Me that she gonna pay for five tickets.

Like, it's just not.

It's not a thing.

So now I'll catch myself feeding, like, that inner child.

Like, we gonna go do this.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

Like Disneyland games.

Anything, bro, Anything.

You know what I mean?

And we just had a conversation with one of our guests that we had on our podcast, EBK Lebo, you know, was telling me, you know, like, him and, you know, you know, his partner, EBK jbo, you know, which all these kids are listening to now.

You know, he was like, bro, we got some money.

We started going to trampoline Park.

Don't get it twisted.

You know, we make the music because that's, you know, we're a product of our environment.

But, bro, we have fun.

Yeah, you got to, you know exactly what you gonna do.

There's some dude that I follow on Insta Instagram, he'd just be pulling up to like, the Home Depots and asking, you know, for like, three, four workers, but he takes them to, like, amusement.

Parks.

And they have a time of their life, bro.

You can just see it, like, you can see it in their face, like, grinding every day.

I ain't never did this for sure.

Feeding the inner child is.

Is what it's all about.

And you, you being able to, you know, like, you keep on reiterating.

It's like you starting from the bottom, you building it from the round up, you building it all the way to the top to where you are now.

It's just like, it's.

It's good to hear, like, you know, it's good to hear that somebody who, you know, who's from the town, you know, look at you now, bro.

You got.

I ain't going to lie on the.

Back for that one, bro.

I turn 30 next Friday, bro.

Oh, man.

It's been a long time coming, you know?

Definitely, you know, I feel like I lived different lives, like every five to seven years was a different, like, stage in my life, you know, so it's definitely, you know, it's a bittersweet right, because we get older and, you know, I mean, but it's dope to just like, be here for, you know, many moons and still have a shitload of many moons in front of us to be able to like, really pave the way and, you know, I mean, still be able to do, like, this link up, meet new people, you know.

I mean, I think that's, you know, that's.

That's my version of having fun, bro.

You know what I mean, like, I enjoy doing like this.

We meeting new people, chopping game, sharing game.

Hopefully there's people out here watching that, can soak that and run with it.

I mean, what else can you really ask for?

No, that's dope, bro.

That's dope, bro.

And honestly, yeah, I love hearing that because even, you know, it's a, it's a remembrance of how far you've came, but also, like you said, so remembrance of how far you can go to like, I, I wouldn't have even thought I can get this far and I have all this on, on my mind, on my plate.

You know what I'm saying?

It's.

It puts that battery in your bag sometimes to, to make you remember what, what you're going for and what it is, bro.

I mean, just don't be afraid.

Don't be afraid to struggle.

You know, I was, you know, I was 15, 16, living in my car, you know what I mean?

And at the time, that's when I caught my first buzz, you know?

So you'll never know, bro.

People, I never forget this.

I'm over here thinking like, I'm catching this buzz.

Everybody's listening to my music, but I'm, I'm going to sleep in my car, bruh.

You know, I mean, and a part of me, I was young at the time, I have no kids, but a part of me was like, I don't give a.

People listen to my music.

I could go to sleep comfortable in this hot, the Civic still noise, knowing somebody slapping me my right now, bruh.

Yeah.

Just don't be afraid, you know what I mean?

And I, I respect people that come from the bottom because I, I got a lot of friends and I've met a lot of friends that didn't come from the bottom and they don't know what the bottom looks like.

And to them, falling off is a scary thing.

Yeah.

To me it ain't.

I'll do this again.

Exactly.

I can lose it all tomorrow, Brian.

Get that right back.

I know what it looks like.

I'm familiar with the bottom, you know, I mean, so it's cool.

It's just a step by step journey.

It's just, it's the journey, man.

Exactly.

Have fun with it.

You feel me?

Definitely enjoy this.

And so many times we get so caught up in how far away we are from, but we don't realize how fast it compounds when you just kind of put your head down, make those necessary sacrifices.

Yeah.

You know, and just do, do the thing.

Yeah.

Just staying consistent, bro.

Like, we was talking about a little bit off camera, which I want to take my hat off to you.

You guys, you guys are coming, you know, from like different locations.

And obviously you guys don't live together, you know what I mean?

So just being able to like hop on the same accord, I know that you reached out yesterday again, and I'm like, look, bro, all I got is tomorrow.

And you're like, we're gonna be there, you know, I mean, so I take my hat off to that type of consistency, bro, because that, that tough.

I ain't even gonna lie.

That's.

That type of is tough, bro.

I've did.

I've did it before.

I've done the podcast mobile and I know that it take a toll, you know what I mean?

You set up all this equipment, you break it down, you hop in the car, still gotta drive home, bruh.

Like that a beat, yo ass you probably coming off of whether you got a 9 to 5 or you got a family, bro.

Like, it's.

It's for sure.

But consistency, bro, like, brick by brick, before you know it, you'll be like, damn, bro.

No, 25.

We did some.

No, for real.

And that's what it hit me when we were talking about the live shows.

I'm like, bro, this dude's right.

Because you do just feed those 10 people.

Next thing you, it's going to be a hundred people, five shows.

And you don't even realize because like you said that plus one turns to.

Plus two turns to, I want to bring my kids along.

I want to bring.

You know what I'm saying?

It's all about feeding that experience.

The.

The numbers thing, like really like, has tampered the art of everything, bro.

Because like, when you start off your podcast page, right, you start a questionable, you know, page, and everybody starts their Instagram page from zero, and you start your YouTube from zero, and you start everything from zero.

And then just seeing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 views is already like, oh, somebody like took time out, they did a peep game.

And then like, you look at the next podcast or you see the next going viral, and then you start down playing your little five views, you know what I mean?

Or.

Or do that, right?

You start looking at them like little five views.

You just gotta be like, bro, shout out to those five people.

Exactly.

I've seen some of the biggest right now in the game, whether it's streamers, like, I show speed, and some of the biggest in the game that are able to share clips to where they're like, yo, thank you for 20 subscribers, you know what I mean?

And now is hitting world records.

Like, but it's that, it's that, it's that some people don't get the results overnight, bro.

And they just like shy away, they give up.

But this, like I said, business wise, this shit's an investment.

Exactly.

What you gonna do?

You gonna invest two, three years and all this money and just be like, ah, it ain't working.

No, for real.

I have all types of people hit me up like, yo, gas, you be you trying to buy this pop podcast equipment.

I started a podcast a year ago, bro, stop really with him.

Like, bruh, you gonna sell it to me for a quarter of a price?

I'll take it, I'm gonna take it.

You know what I mean?

But like, damn, that sucks to see you go.

But yeah, I'll be on you.

No, definitely.

That's the thing is people, people, people don't realize that it takes a whole infrastructure to do something like this, but they think it's going to be overnight.

Whereas, like, even the Russell's a testament of that.

It, you can build an infrastructure, but that takes years.

It takes building, pushing into your community and feeding people who feed to you and building a team.

Like you're doing all those type of things.

Like, it takes a whole infrastructure that takes years to be running at that capacity, you know what I'm saying?

And oftentimes people are expecting it to happen overnight.

And that's something that humbled us.

Like, like I told you, we did this for a couple years before we even went live.

And that was trying to figure out lighting, trying to figure out DSPs, trying to figure out all this different, how do we distribute it, how do we do this, how do we do that?

Re basically reverse engineering what we watch all the time.

You know what I'm saying?

And that's why some of the, some of the great, some of the biggest are in that, that space for that reason.

I don't know if y' all remember like back when we had Blockbuster and then Netflix came out, talking about, we'll ship you CDs to your DVDs to your house.

Go to Blockbuster, bro.

I'm not going.

I can see it after that, you hear me?

Then it turned into, you know, this, the DVDs being shipped to you and then it turned into a streaming service and you know, Red Box became a thing where you could like just go to the thing and get a dvd and then they was like we streaming.

And then next thing you know, one of the biggest providers that we had for movies and DVDs got knocked out the water by somebody we used to doubt.

That quick, too.

You know what I mean?

That quick, too.

And like, you.

You.

You see Netflix now, and you forget.

Yeah.

That they were somebody who just distributed other people's movies.

And now you got Netflix original films.

Crazy, bro.

You gotta pay attention.

Like, I tell people all the time, like, you know, some of the biggest.

And started Amazon, the PayPal, these places started in garages and like, Nike, you know.

Nike, bro.

Like, you know, shit's crazy.

They paid.

They paid like, what, 30, $35 for the Nike swoosh.

Yeah.

You know, and gave her a couple shares.

Exactly.

And nobody wanted to go to Nike.

He was blue ribbon at first.

Nobody.

Adidas looked.

Looked, you know, like it was beating them by a.

A long shot.

And now you got checks over stripes.

Everybody puts that on everything, you know?

It's like.

That's what it is, bro.

You got to just be down to take the hits.

Be down to, like, turn non believers into believers.

Wait your turn.

And only the strong survive, bro.

I'm not going to lie.

It's not for everybody.

I. I have seen, like, I. I've seen some people online recently that I follow that's like, yo, I'm back to a 9 to 5 after, like, 10 years of entrepreneurship, and it's like the best thing I could have did.

Some people, like, they're like, that shit's a stress.

It's stressful, bro.

You'll lose your hair over this.

I'm not gonna lie.

A couple years I was dealing with, like, a severe case of, like, alopecia, bro.

I was, like, really in the space where I was, like, stressed out, and, like, I thought my barber had nicked me, and it turned into, like, a big bald spot, bruh.

And that lasted, like, a whole year.

So if you see me with beanies for, like, a year.

Yeah, I was going through it, bro.

You know what I mean?

Like, this will take a toll on you, but I ain't give a. I'll go bald.

I'll shave this off if that means breaking what I'm trying to break, you know what I mean?

It's not for everybody, though.

So, you know, salute to the ones that's doing it, you know what I mean?

And.

And on.

On the return, y' all told me behind the scenes, y' all real friends.

Oh, yeah.

Salute to that, too, bro.

Cause once you start climbing this, it.

Ain' no for sure.

You see why, too, bro.

Like, I mean, even in our short, short time, how many times we've done dirty or like we told you behind the scenes, like we've had so many situations like that where we travel out to somebody and they just, we gotta make it work without them or like certain things like that, you know, so it really does, you know, it tests your.

Yeah.

Your patience and everything.

And it makes it better that you have people that you like, you know what I'm saying?

That you.

Hey, look, I had, you know, I'll just, I won't say no names, but I had like one of the biggest label executives, CEO as a matter of fact, of the industry right now.

You know, I remember he was like, yeah, you know, like, you're, you know, I want you to come, you know, to my.

What was it?

Compound.

Something like this.

But I'm pretty sure it was a fat ass mansion.

It's like, next time you in LA or, you know, come down this weekend.

You feel me?

So, you know, me being the artist that I am, trying to come up, I'm like, like, let's rock.

You feel me?

So I put a whole trip together, brother.

Come down to LA to just link up with Bruh, trying to see if I could get a opportunity tossed at me.

And when I went down there, bro, I'll, you know, try to reach out to, bro.

And it was no answer, you know, I mean, just left me hanging, cold turkey.

And the day that I was leaving back home, you know, he reached back out to me and was all like, oh, man, my bad.

You know, I had some family, I had family come through from out of town and it's good.

Like, where you at?

Like, pull up today, you feel me?

But by that time I was like, nah, I'm straight.

You know what I mean?

So, you know, a lot of people was like, bro, that could have, you know, could have been your ego, whatever it was.

But it's like, bruh, ain't no way.

You know, I just stand on certain type of principles, bro.

You know, respect go a long way.

The smallest gesture go a long way.

You could, you could have text me and been like, yo, let's reschedule for tomorrow.

Family here.

You know what I mean?

Exactly.

Sometimes you're gonna go through that, bro.

You're gonna go through like some false promises and, you know, failed visions, but you gotta just come back to the drawing board and.

For sure.

No for sure.

And like you said, it is decency.

So it's like it tells more about that person than it does about you.

You just gotta keep running Your course, you know what I'm saying?

Like, because even recently, we had somebody hit us up, too.

Do a recap, A show recap.

Like, they want us to go to this concert, do a bunch of recap, Interview the artists, the everybody stuff.

You know, do all that, bro.

Coming up a couple days before, I'm like, all right, like, what are the details?

Do we need any passes?

All this and same thing, just crickets.

Crickets, crickets.

Y.

So it's like charges of the game.

Charges the game.

All right.

You know, you're on to something new.

You know what I'm saying?

You.

But, like, that happens sometimes, know, you.

Know, depending on the situation, I might hold somebody accountable for that, though.

You know what I mean?

Like, the Internet, a powerful tool.

You know, I'm just like, sometimes, you know, not every situation, but there might be a situation that needs some addressing.

Yeah.

And I think the only time that I'm in that space is if I bump into, like, culture vultures.

Okay.

If I.

If I bump into somebody who, like, tries to use, you know, us for the culture, and then, like, probably go cold turkey like that.

Yeah, for sure, bruh.

You know what I mean?

Like, that's another.

That's a different side of me.

Yeah, because, like, you know, we.

We already are dealing with those certain obstacles, you know, man, we don't need people setting us back.

Exactly.

But for the most part, bro, y' all doing your thing, you know what I mean?

I was.

I was glad to be here, for sure.

No, you know, I mean, I'm excited, bro.

You know, I mean, I try to take you in any podcast.

And that's the thing, bro.

It's.

People gotta do more than that, you know?

I mean, I could have been, like, a hater.

That's like.

No, I got my own podcast, you know, I mean, but everybody doing their thing.

I'm sure you got a different audience that I do, so, you know, follow me.

You know.

Some of the best podcasts would be with another podcast.

No, for sure.

You know what?

Like, I've been.

I've been telling people, and I'll.

I'll go ahead and say it on here, bro, because I don't care about giving away my ideas.

I've been telling people, people, you know, like, podcast need a collab, bro, for us pollinate audiences.

I've been saying that to everybody.

I don't know if y' all remember.

I think it was like, Nickelodeon or, like, Cartoon Network, or sometimes it'd be, like, the Disney Channel.

Disney, Nickelodeon, or.

Yeah, like, you'll see somebody from Zoe Oneon one on Zack and Cody or something.

Like when the CW did it with the whole dude, DC univers.

Like, wait, what the.

I never thought I see these two people in the same room together.

You know what I mean?

Like, bro, it's.

It's about feeding the audience, you know what I mean?

And.

And especially, you know, y' all from y California platform, you know what I mean?

So, yeah, it's for sure more than an honor to come through around.

For sure.

No, it's an honor having you, bro.

And same thing you said earlier.

Even, like, what, 40 said it.

Like, it.

It means a lot to us that you'll come and sit down with us, you know, and, like, same thing sits with us because, you know, when we're at a point where we are getting asked to sit down with certain people, you know, it's going to be no hesitation because remembering all the people like you that sat down with us early.

On, salute to y' all for, like, being cool enough to, like, take your shoes off.

And you know what I mean?

Because I was telling.

I was telling, bro.

I was like, hey, you know, sometimes don't come prepared to take off.

I got a hole in my sock, bro.

The socks.

I said that I.

This.

This is his socks.

No, bro, that's what I'm saying.

Like, you know, it's.

It's.

It's funny, bro.

It's funny.

Me and my wife have.

My wife could tell you I've been in that situation before.

I'm like, hold on.

They want us to take off our socks.

I wore my bad socks today.

Baby, you didn't wash clothes last night.

You feel me?

I'm stuck with my.

Now starts an unnecessary argument between.

Yeah, like.

How you gonna pull up Crusty?

Somebody said, man, I'm telling you, bro, I'm like, you know, luckily in those situations, I didn't have some pants on or something.

I mean, like, you got them shorts on you.

You're done.

You know what I mean?

But yeah, no, like, I was telling him.

I'm like, wait, I want to shoot, baby.

We shoot here.

Y' all just gotta take off y' all socks, you feel me?

The girls be on me about the carpet.

So he's like, nah, now we good.

I'm all right.

Cool.

Yeah, no, man, we're.

We're pretty flexible with everything.

We.

Like I said from the beginning, we just appreciate anybody who sit down and chop game with us, cuz, you know, ultimately, that's what this is for.

Just to, you Know, talk to people that we respect and be able to kind of see a human side of them, but also get to ask some of the questions that, you know, fans and supporters might want to know or people who don't know.

What's your view of side of things, bro?

I got to call you out.

What's your view on side of things, bro, you more like the quiet one.

Nah, I mean, I'm a little quiet today.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm hella high.

You done got lit?

I don't smoke that much, but I've been smoking more.

More.

And I was smoking on the way here, and I'm.