Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers, as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer gaze into a crystal ball hoping to see a better episode in their future. Meanwhile, the Excalibur crew finds a guild navigator who helps angsty men with tortured backstories find solace in Crusade: Episode 4 - The Path of Sorrows.

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're the Babylon 5 watch cast by a

couple of former strangers who are

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now friends and still getting to know

each other over one of their favorite

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shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: And I'm Ja'far.

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Laura: and it's another

episode of Crusade.

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Xhafer: You know, when we told our

friends in the Babylon 5 podcast and

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community that we were going to do this,

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Laura: huh.

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Ha,

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Xhafer: why would you

do this to yourselves?

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And there were a couple episodes of

the show where I'm all like, you know,

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I think that was unfair to Crusade.

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It was not unfair to Crusade.

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And it was a very legitimate

question to ask us.

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Laura: I think it makes for good material

for the type of podcast that we're doing.

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You know, we're not taking

the show super seriously.

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Uh, We didn't take Babylon 5 super

seriously, and we're sure as fuck

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not taking Crusade super seriously.

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I

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Xhafer: Yeah, this one was rough,

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Laura: the bones were there though, man.

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There were some bones that this

could have been good science fiction.

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Like,

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Xhafer: have been a really good science

fiction and instead it's boring at best.

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It's just, it's rough.

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man I don't know.

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This is the episode Scott was supposed

to be joining us on, listener, he's not.

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obviously we wish him well.

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I don't know that this episode

would have helped his recovery at

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Laura: No.

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Even making jokes about it might

be a little uh, much at this stage.

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Yeah, no, and it's sad, like,

I feel like we're kind of the

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crusade rewrite podcast too.

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Like, every time we're like, oh,

if they, just a little bit of

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this or just a little bit of that.

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Yeah.

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Like, and it's so easy for us to do, like.

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In hindsight, 30 years later,

like punch it up a bit.

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Xhafer: can make this, I can make

this episode better in one line very

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Laura: You think just one?

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Okay.

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I have a couple of places I

would tweak this one, but,

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Xhafer: Oh, I will.

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Yeah, no, it needs a lot of love,

but I can, I can take it from a, this

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was miserable to I get the point.

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Laura: uh,

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Xhafer: Like with one line

and it's not even a full line.

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It's a adjusted line of dialogue.

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Laura: Interesting.

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I can't wait till we get to it.

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We were talking before pod, behind the

curtain, off the pod, that you don't

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have very many notes for this one.

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Xhafer: I, this has to be the

least amount of notes I've ever

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taken for an episode of anything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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You said

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Xhafer: I think it's, I, Yeah, well,

it's close to a page and three quarters.

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It's, it's rough.

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normally, for context, I think I've said

this a couple times, my average is five

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pages of notes for an hour of television.

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Uh, Half hour shows tend to run

three to four ish, depending.

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Hour long, run five, cause you tend to

do a lot of uh, I see the production

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notes or kind of stuff that doesn't

really matter how long the episode is.

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I have gone on record saying

that sometimes I know an episode

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is bad when I like, we'll pause

it to go do the laundry and

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: I did not do

that with this episode.

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This episode was so bad that

I'm all like, I can't stop

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because I won't come back to it.

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Laura: I had that impulse this time.

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Like, there was something at the

beginning that I was like, oh, I need

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to pause because I need to go do that.

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And I don't usually, like, usually

we're going straight through unless

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one of the kids needs something.

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Like, you know, we'll pause a few

times for me to take notes, but.

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I don't usually pause to get up and

leave, but I did that with this one.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm really looking

forward to Battlestar right now.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, we're not too far.

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We're getting there.

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Xhafer: No, we've got, what, four

episodes of Crusade left after this?

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Laura: And a book that I still need

to finish reading, but I'm enjoying.

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Xhafer: I, I'm not super far into

it, but I am enjoying the book.

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We're going to do the Centauri trilogy.

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Laura: We have the lost tales.

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We haven't done the lost tales.

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Xhafer: that's right.

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Lost Tales is the last

thing because Galen's in it.

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So we wanted to wait till after

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Laura: Oh, I didn't remember, well,

but I didn't watch Crusade, so I

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didn't really have a context for

Galen when I watched The Lost Tales.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Well, this one, I should probably,

should probably talk about the episode.

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Laura: I'm wondering if I should

lead, because you only have two,

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less than two pages of notes.

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Xhafer: I mean, it opens pretty

much the same, I think, regardless,

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Laura: it's always the Excalibur

at some point, doing something.

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Xhafer: This time they're hanging

out outside the dark tower

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trying to find their way in.

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Laura: Yeah, Doreen is trying to climb it.

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That seems legit.

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Yeah.

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Max is bitching about not

being able to get inside.

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Xhafer: Yeah, there's

a riddle on the door.

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Laura: Yeah, who's gonna know

what to do with a riddle?

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The space wizard.

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Duh.

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Xhafer: Of course, yeah.

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What a balanced adventuring party this is.

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Laura: Yeah, okay, so

we have space wizard.

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Um, we have space rogue, obviously.

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What do we call Max?

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What is Max?

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Xhafer: Max is probably an artificer?

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Laura: Okay,

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Xhafer: I mean, our space wizard is

technically an artificer, I feel,

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Laura: mm.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: you know, that's, he's

a space wizard, it's fine.

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yeah, he's kinda like, he might also be

a rogue, but just like a very, like, it

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depends on what system we're running.

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In 3.

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5 he would be an in paced rogue.

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Laura: Yeah, I like Artificer for him,

because he's always foolin with, like,

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gadgets to do languages and stuff.

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Xhafer: You know, he might be a bard.

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Laura: Is he a bard or is he a monk?

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Xhafer: I think he's a bard.

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So if we look at like bard abilities,

right, you've got the thing that gives you

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proficiency in all your skills, you know,

your jack of all trades, you've got your

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like bardic knowledge where you can just

kind of summon ethereal knowledge from the

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past and stuff and put things together.

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And then bards can also attack

with like your vicious mockeries.

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Laura: Mm Yeah, I guess.

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See, here's the

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Xhafer: really like a sing y bard,

but you don't have to be like a sing

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y instrument y bard to be a bard.

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You can be a historian.

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Laura: Buddy, here's the thing.

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Mm hmm.

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With bards, I feel like they should

be able to sleep their way through any

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problem, and I don't think Max could have

sex to save his self out of a paper bag.

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You know what I mean?

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Xhafer: Fair.

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Um, he's not a charisma based bard,

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Laura: No.

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Xhafer: think, I think he, I might build

him as a, if I were to build this in 3.

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5 or 5th edition D& D, I

think I'd build him as a bard.

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Laura: Okay, but he's like the

anti bard because he can't get any.

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Xhafer: It's an unusual type of

bard, but a bard nevertheless.

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Laura: what is Gideon then?

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Xhafer: Gideon, I think, is a ranger.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: It's kind of like, hangs

out in the back, keeps track

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of everything that's going on,

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says when to fire, does a

couple things here and there.

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Laura: he's got leadership skills.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He would be a marshal in 3 5, which

is a lot more like a leadership

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type class where you're like, your

thing is you're the party leader

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: and you like give bonuses to

people who are around you and stuff.

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He might be a paladin.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: I can see that working, too.

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Laura: no, I kind of like that.

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I like both of them.

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Xhafer: Yeah, an oath bound paladin.

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Yeah, yeah, there we go.

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We did not have this

planned for Cold Open, but

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Laura: No,

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but it's

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Xhafer: of Babylon 5.

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Laura: And then, there's one

left I really want to know.

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Mathison.

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What is Mathison?

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Xhafer: Matheson might

be a space sorcerer.

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Laura: Yeah, he has like a

natural ability, whereas Space

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Wizard has studied it all.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he's, I don't think he's

very, I mean, he's like a lieutenant,

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he's not supposed to be a particularly,

like, high ranking character, but I think

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he's like a nice little low level wizard.

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Yeah, or sorcerer.

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Yeah, sorcerer, not wizard.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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I like that.

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And I like that we did spend

some more time with Matheson

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this time, in this episode.

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Xhafer: he's a good character to spend

time with, and actually, I think his

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bit was the highlight of the episode.

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Laura: Exactly!

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I said the same thing!

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Xhafer: I was ready to just write

this whole thing off as going

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to be Gideon flashback in space.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: When it went to commercial and

came back from commercial and he was still

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in space, I'm just like, oh god, this

is the whole fucking episode, isn't it?

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, his went

on a little long, but we'll

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get there, we'll get there.

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Xhafer: Yeah, so they gotta get

in, they gotta solve this riddle.

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And our space wizard makes our space rogue

cry uh, and then uses her tear to get in.

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Laura: yeah, he like

straight up bullies her.

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Xhafer: Yeah, Galen has no

trouble finding the button here.

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And just leading us to our terrible,

terrible fucking theme song.

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Laura: Smash!

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we get some kind of alien head

smoking at us to the theme song.

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Uh, Yeah.

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Xhafer: this is the world's lar this

world's, at least, largest water bong.

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which reveals itself to be a

clip show machine when Gideon

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relives being stranded in space.

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They decided to bring it aboard

because, of course, they do.

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Laura: Yeah, this doesn't seem,

possibly dangerous at all.

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Big crystal ball with maybe an

alien trapped inside, or something?

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And this is from a dead world again, yes?

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Xhafer: Presumably.

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It looks pretty dead.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: look like a, a, a live world.

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Laura: yeah.

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Crystal ball from a dead world.

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Not dangerous.

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Xhafer: No.

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Galen just rides the

train to pass the time.

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He can't sign up for free

trial of ISN of course.

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Those terms and conditions, yikes.

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Uh, He comes to some conclusion

after talking with Matheson

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briefly and leaves him on the tram

to come to the same conclusion.

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Laura: Yeah, they, I guess Galen was gonna

leave when they got what they came for,

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but he's riding the train because they

haven't actually got what they came for.

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Is that what's, this is happening?

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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For sure.

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He's like, oh, it's On board,

so we can just leave this planet

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now, even though we haven't.

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Laura: yeah.

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to

take it away with it on board.

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I would want to stay

like in orbit cause like,

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Xhafer: well, then you

shouldn't bring it on board.

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Laura: well, that that's the thing.

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I, I wouldn't have brought it on board.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I think if you bring it on

board, you leave immediately

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because you brought it on board.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Uh, So many logical decisions here.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Right?

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Gideon does our pod intro with

the Lady of the Bong Water.

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It uh, kind of sings, speaks in an

understandable but unknowable language.

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And we get the full flashback of

Ensign Gideon on the Cerberus.

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Laura: Cerberus.

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So.

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The ship has been attacked by

something, at the start, yes?

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and Gideon and a team are

sent out to EVA some repairs.

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But then the ship starts

to jump without them?

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Is that right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, the ship's trying to

get away because the thing is back.

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Which, boy, that sucks.

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I mean, I guess it must

happen in space, but,

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uh, yeah.

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But the ship can't make it anyway.

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Uh, It's actually being

attacked by a shadow ship.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Not one that I remember seeing.

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this

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is

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Laura: a different design.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Kind of where the shadow

ships really reminded me of, like,

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spiders, this one's more like

a different insect, you know?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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This one's like a

caterpillar or something.

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Laura: I was gonna say.

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But yeah, something, something a

little rounder than the spider has

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like long legs, you know, this has

like roundness and shorter legs to it.

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So Caterpillar also works pretty well.

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But they explode the ship.

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And I guess Gideon is the only

one left alive, even though

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a whole team went out there.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, if they weren't

detached enough from the ship

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at that time, then they got pulled

with it when it started to accelerate.

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Laura: Ooh.

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Ooh.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, I

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Laura: Mm-Hmm.

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Xhafer: yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's

not like the pull of the ship would do

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anything to you besides move you because

there's no other force holding you in

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place, you know, there's no gravity,

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Laura: You might black out from the speed.

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Huh.

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Xhafer: um, I don't.

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I don't think you would, but

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Laura: It

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Xhafer: you might.

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It depends a lot on how the,

it depends on how much you can

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move inside of those suits.

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if there's like, wait, if you can

get shaken in one of those suits,

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if it's not like skin tight on

the inside, holding you in place.

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Laura: huh.

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Xhafer: Cause otherwise you

would just move as one thing.

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I would think it would just pull.

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Laura: It sure seems like the helmet

is, got some, some room in it.

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So you might actually,

like, wang your head.

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Xhafer: Yeah, and Skoogans did bust her

head open inside of it last episode, so.

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Laura: So,

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Xhafer: Okay, yeah, you might be fucked.

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Laura: Yeah, not great.

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Not, not a good situation, no

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Xhafer: Seems like a design

flaw, actually, but, regardless.

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Gotta, gotta have those actors

show those pretty faces, what

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else are you paying them for?

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Laura: Mm hmm, yeah.

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So he's floating in space,

he's got three minutes left of

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oxygen, and he sees the fleet

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Xhafer: The Technomage fleet, yeah.

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Laura: little black ships.

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Tries to hail them, and of course

no one responds because they're

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supposed to be above these matters of

mortals in the universe or whatever.

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Mm hmm.

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They're like the elves in Lord of

the Rings going off to the west.

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Xhafer: You know what?

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Since, like, four or five episodes

ago, I forget when it was, when we

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found out that the Technomages are just

fuckin the descendants of rich humans,

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: I have so much less

sympathy for these fuckers.

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And also, like, no, they're

just the 1 percent flying off.

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They're above the matters of peasants,

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is the real

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Laura: rude.

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Yeah.

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Ew, does this mean like the

descendants of like Elon Musk and

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's

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Laura: are gonna be techno mages?

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Fuck that.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's, that's

exactly the implication.

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It's people who were so rich that they

developed, they had technology developed

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to implant inside of them to make them

live longer and to give them superpowers.

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Those are the techno mages.

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They're the people who could

afford to fucking do that and then

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fucked off with their super wealth.

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They are the 1%.

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They are exactly the

descendants of your Elon Musk.

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Like, that is exactly who these people

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Laura: Oof.

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I feel some, some riots coming on.

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Ha ha ha.

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Xhafer: riots.

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Laura: the Bell Riots today, everybody.

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Happy Bell Riots.

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Xhafer: I got dinner plans.

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Can we riot tomorrow?

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Laura: yeah.

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I mean, anytime is a good time

for a riot if you have the right

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Xhafer: Yeah, just, just let

my back heal up a little bit.

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I'll be, I'll get into

the rioting later, guys.

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I

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Laura: That's real though.

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So Gideon's about to pass out when

suddenly one of the ships stops

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and picks him up, and it's Galen.

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Xhafer: Are these ships

bigger on the inside?

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That was the vibe I got.

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Laura: well, they've got that

same technology as the Excalibur

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for the basketball court.

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Xhafer: Ah, okay.

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Uh,

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Laura: Yeah, so we cut from

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Xhafer: yeah, we skip ahead a little bit.

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Yeah,

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Laura: I didn't catch what level this

guy was, but I assume like general,

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Xhafer: yeah, something,

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Laura: something high up.

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Xhafer: something.

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Yeah, enough to be yelling at

an ensign, but not enough to be

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like, I don't know, maybe not.

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I don't know.

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Laura: Now, let's talk

about this for a second.

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So, they tell us that Gideon

is an ensign here, right?

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And they also tell us that President

Clark wants this all cleared up.

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So, Clark is president,

Gideon is an ensign.

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Is it just me, or did he

move up ranks pretty fast?

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Xhafer: So if this is at the very

beginning of Clark's administration,

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Which would be before they

knew what shadow ships were,

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: right?

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Clark becomes president at the end

of season one uh, shadow ships get

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revealed at the end of season two.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: So I'm guessing it fits in that

year, which means it's been seven years

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since then for him to become captain.

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Laura: Seven years?

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Xhafer: Yeah, so we've got the four

years of the show and then there's

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a three, the three, the four, the

last four years of the show and a

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three year gap in between the end of

season five and the start of crusade.

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Laura: Okay, so, Call to Arms fits

in right before the start of Crusade.

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So it had been a couple of years

between End of Show and Call to Arms.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: And that's if

this is early season two.

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It does seem fast.

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No, no, it's it is.

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And this is his first command though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Is kind of, I think that's

alluded to a couple of

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Laura: Oh, I thought they, I thought

they were like, no, he's, he's the right

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captain because he's, does the thing.

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Like, I thought he had

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Xhafer: the deep, the, the, yeah, he, I

think he missed the civil war by being

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out on a deep space exploration ship.

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And I think he was the

first officer there.

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He might've, I mean, that's the thing

too, is when you're on one of those, you

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don't get reinforcement, so you could show

up as fourth or fifth in line and then a

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couple of bad away missions and you're the

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Laura: yeah, because they should stop

sending the captain on the away missions.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They don't have that rule in earth force.

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Laura: because like Lockley was out

fighting Raiders and got herself stranded.

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So.

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Xhafer: That's absurd.

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Can you imagine Picard?

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Laura: It's absurd, yeah,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So he gets grilled here for a bit.

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And obviously this doesn't ruin

his Earthforce career because

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he does make it to captain.

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We skip ahead again.

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We don't know how far, except

that he's a lieutenant now.

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And then we see the scene where,

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Laura: oh, did they tell us he

was a lieutenant in that scene?

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Xhafer: yeah, someone refers to him as a

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Laura: Okay, I missed that part.

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Okay,

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Xhafer: Um, it's, it's

off, offhand dialogue.

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Laura: at a poker game in

like, civilian clothing,

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Xhafer: Yeah, playing games

with weird shaped playing cards.

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I love me some weird shaped

playing cards in sci fi.

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It makes absolutely no sense, but I'm

fucking here for it every single time.

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Laura: Give me weird shapes.

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Give me weird designs.

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I'm on

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it.

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Xhafer: percent.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Doesn't Dabo have like round cards?

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Xhafer: Damo's got weird cards.

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Sabacc's got, like, weird,

like, diamond kind of cards.

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Things from, they're like, they're

not diamonds, but they're kind

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of like that shape, almost like

an inverse hourglass kind of

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thing.

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Um, fucking Battlestar.

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All of the paper has the

corners cut off in Battlestar.

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Laura: It's like round corners,

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Xhafer: No, it's just, no, it's just like,

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Laura: Like we just cut it off.

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Like where, where

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We just cut off the corners.

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Yeah, exactly.

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No staples.

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Laura: All right.

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Xhafer: All corners just cut off

at like a little 45 degree, like an

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inch or something out of the paper.

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And that goes to the

playing cards as well.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: They've got all

the corners cut off.

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And I, we'll talk about that

when we get to Battlestar.

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It's one of the smallest world

building details that I'm

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just a fucking sucker for.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: It makes no sense.

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Laura: do like weird cards.

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Xhafer: even the, the Battlestar

collectible card game, which exists

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Laura: they carry it to the card game?

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Xhafer: They did

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Laura: Awesome!

489

What a

490

Xhafer: all all the card game cards

have the corners missing, right?

491

Ugh, so good.

492

Laura: Cool.

493

Cool effect.

494

Yeah, so, Gideon's opponent can't

pay up to uh, to play his hand,

495

and offers up some collateral.

496

Cool.

497

Xhafer: Yeah.

498

We see the apocalypse box.

499

He whips it out, shows the

room, says it's older than

500

mankind, and that it knows things

501

Laura: So, Homie just rolled

up to this poker game carrying

502

a giant box for no reason.

503

Xhafer: and the box told him to.

504

So this is all implied, right?

505

The box wanted to get to

Gideon is, is what I'm.

506

Is what I'm presupposing

507

here is my theory is that the box knew

that Gideon was going to be this game.

508

The box wanted to get to Gideon.

509

And so the box lied to him

about what hand to play.

510

And I was like, no, you'll win this one.

511

Bet me as collateral.

512

You'll take all of his money, which is

why when he loses, he's just laughing

513

because

514

the box fucking

515

lied to him.

516

And then he, well, he says

it right after to the box

517

Laura: Yeah, he did say that.

518

I did take note.

519

Xhafer: So I think that's exactly how he

wouldn't have brought that box normally,

520

but the box was all like, you're going

to want me at this poker game or maybe it

521

helps them cheat at cards all the time.

522

Laura: you know, that's just hysterical

though, like the box telling you,

523

bring me to the poker game and then

you roll up to the poker game carrying

524

your giant box because it told you to.

525

Xhafer: Yeah.

526

Laura: like, this isn't

embarrassing at all.

527

I don't take orders from my box.

528

Xhafer: So, well, it controls,

I mean, he was, there's a reason

529

his dying words are I'm free.

530

Laura: Right?

531

Yeah.

532

So let's, let's go

through the whole scene.

533

We keep like alluding to moments away.

534

So, he, He puts up the apocalypse box as

collateral when he has, what, two pair?

535

Xhafer: Yeah.

536

Or he had a full house or no, no.

537

Okay.

538

So Gideon has a full house.

539

Previous owner of the

apocalypse box had two

540

pair.

541

Laura: that's what I was, okay.

542

So, Gideon gets the box, and is

like, taking it away, and his, the

543

box's owner laughs hysterically.

544

And tells him, but sometimes it lies.

545

Like, yeah, it tells you things about the

future and stuff, but sometimes it lies.

546

And then bolts and gets

himself hit by a motor scooter.

547

Xhafer: Just

548

like, I'm

549

Laura: tries to, like, get him

to a hospital and he's like,

550

No, no, no, I would rather die.

551

I'm free now, thank God.

552

So, now Gideon has an ominous box.

553

Xhafer: Yeah, which we've seen,

it's taken him to some unsavory

554

places in the galaxy so far.

555

Like, we have not, some of the

leads that we believe it was

556

responsible for, not great.

557

Yeah.

558

Laura: doesn't want him to trust Galen.

559

And we like Galen as an audience.

560

So

561

Xhafer: We do.

562

Laura: not a good look, Box.

563

Xhafer: Yeah, well I mean, the

box knows that, you know, he

564

can smell that musk on him.

565

Laura: Yeah, the Box knows.

566

Xhafer: mm hmm,

567

Laura: I, I, as much as I am

here for the Box content, I think

568

the Box content is hilarious.

569

Let's talk edits, Ja'far.

570

Xhafer: okay,

571

Laura: I would not have put any of

this shit about the Box in here.

572

I would have taken it out.

573

Because the, as we come back to the alien.

574

You know, the alien is satisfied

with this truth that Gideon has

575

shared and forgives him, right?

576

Xhafer: yeah,

577

Laura: I think the thing that Gideon

wants forgiveness for is, like,

578

watch his survivor's guilt, like,

watching everyone on the Cerberus die.

579

You

580

Xhafer: and watching this other dude

die, yeah, that's why, that's why

581

you get both stories, I think, is

because they're both survivor's guilt

582

Laura: I guess, but I, I don't think,

583

Xhafer: Oh, they're not comparable,

584

what is way

585

Laura: I think that this, the box, the

guy getting, like, hit by the motor

586

scooter for the weird, like, oh god,

thank god I'm free from the apocalypse

587

box, like, that's not Gideon's fault.

588

Like, that's just a weird

thing that happened to him

589

and could be super unsettling.

590

But he didn't do anything to cause that.

591

Xhafer: he didn't push that

guy in front of the motorcycle,

592

Laura: Right.

593

I think that if you should take that out

and leave it at, like, Gideon's, like,

594

survivor's guilt of not understanding

what happened to the Cerberus, no

595

one believing him about the ship that

he saw, getting rescued by, like,

596

space wizards, and, like, why am I

still alive when everybody else died?

597

I think, I think that it's more

impactful if you leave it there.

598

Xhafer: And then if you

have it just to be that,

599

right, then you've got Matheson's

story coming up in a minute, which

600

could also be a survivor's guilt story.

601

And then you have Galen's story

coming up after that, which could

602

was also a survivor's guilt story.

603

Laura: hmm.

604

Xhafer: So you have, that's

the pain that you feel.

605

You know, the pain of living, which

is also in line with, you know,

606

all, well, of course I have pain.

607

I'm alive is something Gideon says at

something along those lines at some point.

608

So it's just like, it all

kind of falls into place then.

609

Laura: Yeah, I think you gotta move the

box story and I think you could contain

610

it in this episode and just put it

like toward the end where we're like,

611

he's, Gideon's privately reflecting

on another experience, you know?

612

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

613

I think I would move it up and have

it be the flashback that occurs

614

when they first encounter the orb.

615

Laura: Okay.

616

Xhafer: he's granted forgiveness, before

we know what's going on with this thing.

617

It's just like, pierce something

off of his memory off the

618

top and that's what it gets.

619

Laura: Mm hmm.

620

Maybe

621

that's what makes it interested.

622

Like, ooh, the box?

623

I know the box.

624

Xhafer: yeah.

625

the box and I are old buddies, yeah.

626

The box causes lots of people to have

survivor guilt and I eat that shit up.

627

So,

628

Laura: Yeah, so Gideon leaves.

629

We don't follow up with that

right away, and Matheson

630

goes to see the alien.

631

Xhafer: Why do they call it an

apocalypse box if it just knows stuff?

632

Shouldn't it just be a knowin stuff box?

633

Laura: Maybe that's, maybe the box

causes apocalypses with what it knows.

634

Maybe it's actually a Pandora's box.

635

Xhafer: They call it a Pandora's box!

636

I just, I don't know why you would ever

want something called an apocalypse box.

637

It seems like an item that

you would not take ownership

638

Laura: Mm mm.

639

Like, no thanks.

640

You can keep your weird box, guy.

641

Xhafer: With that name, nah.

642

Mm

643

Laura: yeah, yeah.

644

so Matheson goes to see the alien in the

645

crystal ball, and the background music

here sounded like something I would

646

listen to while I'm in the bathtub.

647

Like it's very new age spa,

648

Xhafer: Yeah.

649

Laura: that you would have it on the

background while you're getting a massage.

650

The music in

651

the show, Ja'far,

652

Xhafer: It's terrible.

653

Laura: so bad.

654

Xhafer: We get a flashback

to, I'm believing Matheson

655

here is a Psycop in training.

656

Laura: Yeah, cause he's definitely at the

Psycorp headquarters building that we saw,

657

like, in the last Bester episode, right?

658

Xhafer: Yeah.

659

Laura: Where he had his

little Psycop interns.

660

Xhafer: in the black suit.

661

He's got the pin on, he's got the

662

gloves.

663

Like it's very Psycop looking, but we hear

that all the Psycops are off doing shit.

664

Laura: Uh huh.

665

Important shit.

666

Mhm.

667

Xhafer: so, he needs

to be doing this thing.

668

Laura: Mhm.

669

Yeah, the, the Psycops are

all handling rebellion stuff.

670

So this is the height of

the problems, I think.

671

Of the troubles, if you will.

672

Xhafer: I, I would say it's the

climax of the side cop troubles.

673

Laura: Yeah.

674

He's got to give the, administer

the sleepers to a resistance

675

telepath that has been

676

captured that was like a leader.

677

Very high up.

678

Xhafer: Yeah.

679

He's getting his orders from

Gary, motherfucking Graham.

680

just throwing that out there.

681

Had no idea he was in this show.

682

Laura: Tell me about Gary Graham.

683

I don't, I don't remember this name.

684

Xhafer: Gary Graham is fucking everywhere.

685

But the role for him that always comes

to mind is uh, is it soak in enterprise?

686

He's like the lead Vulcan dude.

687

In Enterprise.

688

Not the one on the ship, but the

like Vulcan ambassador to earth.

689

He's Sarek's predecessor.

690

Laura: Okay, but I'm doing

the most important Google to

691

see if he was ever an airwolf.

692

It doesn't appear that

he was an airwolf, so.

693

Xhafer: Okay.

694

Laura: All right.

695

And I haven't seen much of Enterprise,

that's why I didn't clock him at

696

all.

697

Yeah, Yeah,

698

Xhafer: I think he's maybe in

like 10, maybe 15 episodes.

699

He's not in a ton.

700

Laura: yeah.

701

But he does have a,

like, a Vulcan ish face.

702

You know, like, they

703

like a face with some,

like, Strong eyebrows.

704

Xhafer: Yeah.

705

Laura: Or potential for strong eyebrows.

706

So yes.

707

He's going to administer the

sleepers to this resistance lady.

708

He has orders not to talk to her,

but of course he talks to her.

709

Xhafer: Yeah, she's all like,

look, I'm the last one left.

710

All the other resistance leaders are dead.

711

They say they're going to take me

over here for this other thing.

712

Now they're just going to fucking kill me.

713

They're going to kill me.

714

Like they killed every single one of

my peers and you can look up my peers

715

and see what the fuck's going on.

716

And so he does.

717

Laura: Mm hmm.

718

Xhafer: And it is a fucking crime

that Byron is not on this list.

719

Laura: Oh yes!

720

Because Byron would be dead

by this point, wouldn't he?

721

Xhafer: Yeah.

722

He'd be a dead resistance.

723

He'd be, he would've been dead

for a little while at this

724

point.

725

Yeah.

726

He had been dead for a couple of

years, but he is a resistance leader.

727

And if you're going through the

list of resistance leaders and

728

checking their alive dead status,

729

you would think he'd be on that

730

Laura: Is he only not on the list?

731

I mean, I think the show should

put him on the list because that

732

is a fun callback and people would

be like, Yeah, I remember Byron.

733

Remember Byron.

734

Xhafer: That is the

735

Laura: that is the thing.

736

But is it just like, so ubiquitous

that we know how Byron died?

737

Like, because Leta was making it a thing.

738

She was gonna share it everywhere.

739

Xhafer: I mean, if there was a storyline

reason for Byron not being on this

740

list, it would be Bester erasing him

simply because of Remember Byron,

741

Laura: Yeah.

742

Xhafer: just like out of spite.

743

Laura: Yeah.

744

Xhafer: But No, he, a thousand percent.

745

There's no reason he shouldn't

have been on this list.

746

Laura: Agree.

747

Xhafer: Even if it's just a

still, you can pay the actor the,

748

the hundred bucks or whatever,

749

Laura: Uh Huh.

750

Xhafer: like it can't be, it can't be that

much money to use someone's production

751

still of someone from a previous episode.

752

Laura: Because we love

callbacks to this stuff.

753

We love that shit.

754

Eat it up.

755

Xhafer: And that's one of the

things this show does so good.

756

So to not see Byron here, not actually the

thing I would change with this episode.

757

Laura: No, I I would throw this

in there, because if we could have

758

Lockley We had Lockley just like

reading personal logs to an alien

759

in Med Bay a few episode back.

760

Like, why can't we have a s just a still

shot, just a second of Byron on the list?

761

Xhafer: Yeah.

762

Laura: Okay, so He goes back

to administer the sleepers.

763

I think this is they said every two hours?

764

Xhafer: Something.

765

It was

766

Laura: Yeah, so He's got to see her

a lot in a short amount of time.

767

She tells him that if he continues this,

then her blood is on his hands, because

768

he's uh, helping them get her killed.

769

He goes to administer the dose when

someone walks in the door behind him,

770

but uh, just squirts it on her arm.

771

He does not give

772

Xhafer: Yep.

773

Yep.

774

Just a little, just a

little squirt on the arm.

775

The turned anti vaxxer.

776

So.

777

Laura: The superior runs into him

in the hallway and is like, Oh, hey.

778

That raid we were doing, they

weren't where they, they weren't

779

where we thought they were gonna be.

780

So now we gotta find them.

781

Math is in charge, charges back to her

cell and wants to know what she's up to.

782

Uh, She tells him that she smuggled

in a homing device, like digs it

783

out of her leg with the needle

784

Xhafer: Yeah.

785

Right.

786

Laura: and now they know where the

Sitecore base is and they'll be attacking.

787

So he better run while he can.

788

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

789

And then he does like immediately and

the attack starts almost immediately.

790

Laura: Yeah, he's like running through

hallways and all of a sudden the alarms

791

start blaring and the ground starts

792

shaking and uh,

793

Xhafer: We see

794

him in a shuttle.

795

Laura: He gets on that shuttle right

as the base explodes, they take off.

796

Xhafer: Yeah.

797

So they just like nuke

the thing or something.

798

Laura: Yeah.

799

Crazy.

800

So, out of the flashback,

the alien forgives Matheson

801

as well, and we don't see

802

his response to that.

803

He just walks away.

804

Xhafer: And then Galen comes in and

he says that he knows what's up.

805

This thing is feeding off of fear.

806

If you're feeding off of

sadness, it's all like, nah, bro.

807

I feed off forgiveness.

808

Laura: Yeah,

809

Galen's a suspicious bitch.

810

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean

811

Laura: It's part of Space Wizard, I think.

812

Xhafer: Yeah, it just

comes with the territory.

813

When your boys make dragons for fun, like

You're gonna be suspicious of some shit.

814

Laura: Mm hmm.

815

Well, and didn't one of their other

homeboys make the uh, the virus thing?

816

Xhafer: Oh yeah, they're all shady.

817

They're all shady, for sure.

818

Laura: Hmm.

819

Man, that could have gone somewhere.

820

The Technomage is turning out to

be, like, actually pretty evil.

821

Xhafer: I mean I think they are maybe

not categorically, but like for sure.

822

I mean, they left because they didn't

want to do the shadows bidding.

823

Laura: Yeah.

824

Xhafer: You know, they're like,

we don't want to get involved in

825

this conflict because it's going to

be fucking messy for us if we do.

826

Laura: But if you just take that at the

Babylon 5 level, it seems kind of noble.

827

It seems kind of, like, evil.

828

altruistic and a good thing.

829

Like, we're taking our technology

away so it can't go into bad hands.

830

But as we're going through

Crusade, we're actually seeing

831

that the order is kind of corrupt.

832

Xhafer: Yeah.

833

I mean, I, I always took it as

kind of a, if we stick around

834

the shadows will enslave us.

835

Laura: Uh

836

Xhafer: it's like.

837

And yeah, we want, we don't want them

to have the technology, but do you want

838

them not to have that technology because

you care about the galaxy or do you want

839

them to not have the technology because

it's implanted in your fucking chest?

840

Laura: Uh huh.

841

Yeah.

842

Yeah.

843

Yeah, I don't know.

844

I, I'm excited by it.

845

I wish there was more of that and

more interesting things to go with it.

846

Xhafer: so the, the lady of the

long water tells Galen that he

847

cannot be offered forgiveness

because he must offer it himself.

848

Laura: Yes.

849

Xhafer: And we see Isabella's death,

and the love of his life dying.

850

It's like, don't go, don't leave

me to die alone, all this stuff.

851

I'll send a message

through the cosmos somehow.

852

Laura: Yeah, this was not effective.

853

Xhafer: it's sad, but it's

also just like, they're both so

854

like above talking to people.

855

It feels

856

That them expressing these serious

emotions is so hard to take

857

seriously because they're so past

this most of the time in their

858

casual interactions with people.

859

They're so Galen is so.

860

Uncaring of everyone else's emotions that

when he feels sad, I do not feel empathy

861

towards him because he's an asshole.

862

Laura: Yeah.

863

I don't get it, because like,

she's never been mentioned.

864

And, no, you shouldn't

necessarily have to have that.

865

But, like,

866

Xhafer: I think she, I think she was,

867

Laura: know we learned

about her in a quiz.

868

Mm

869

Xhafer: of her.

870

I don't know if we got a name,

but there was, when he was talking

871

with the techno mage on the dragon

872

planet, there was some conversation

there, if memory serves about

873

like the love of his life.

874

Laura: Yeah,

875

maybe.

876

I just remember the

877

quiz.

878

Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

879

Laura: Like, it felt like we're

just shoehorning in a woman to

880

Fridge to give Galen a backstory.

881

Like, for plot.

882

And I'm like,

883

Xhafer: yeah.

884

Laura: I was interested in her telling

us, through their conversation, telling

885

us that they're, they're stuck on a

planet and they've been stripped of

886

everything they are by some of their own.

887

So it's more of that, like,

technomage infighting and corruption.

888

And I wanted to know more about that.

889

I didn't really care about Isabel

because, again, she's just there

890

to kind of like deliver a soliloquy

891

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

892

Laura: and die.

893

And to tell Galen that he needs to learn

to believe there's a god, basically.

894

I don't know.

895

I didn't care about any

of this story at all.

896

Xhafer: None of this hits, and this

is, this is the line I would change.

897

Laura: Alright, hit me.

898

Xhafer: cannot be offered forgiveness

because he must offer it to himself.

899

Laura: Yeah.

900

Xhafer: That's all.

901

That's all you need.

902

Not, you must offer forgiveness,

903

y yourself.

904

You must offer it to yourself.

905

You have to be able to forgive yourself.

906

I cannot help you.

907

Laura: And they've made it really

ambiguous in the flashback of like, she's

908

telling him he needs to forgive God.

909

And,

910

Xhafer: Yeah.

911

Laura: I'm like, is he, does he

need to forgive her for leaving him?

912

Like, that's a, that's a stage

of grief people go through.

913

Right?

914

I mean, that could be it too.

915

It's not clear about where

this forgiveness goes, really.

916

Xhafer: Yeah, and I don't

think it really fucking

917

matters.

918

It's, this is the lowest

point of the episode easily.

919

Laura: Did not enjoy, would not do that.

920

would figure

921

Xhafer: So Galen gets ready

to fireball this bitch.

922

And uh, Gideon makes him stop.

923

Laura: And now we're gonna

take it back where we found it.

924

Xhafer: Yeah, we just wanted to

have a couple more flashback scenes

925

without having to pay for that

other set to be set up for them.

926

So,

927

Laura: Yeah, and uh, we're gonna

take it back where we found it

928

because, I don't know, maybe

somebody else needs forgiveness.

929

Maybe they

930

Xhafer: Yeah.

931

And someone rolls in immediately,

932

Laura: There's like a line,

there's a forgiveness line, but

933

it's like on the other side of

the planet, so they don't know

934

Xhafer: right.

935

it's like, how do you not interact

this like other alien flying down?

936

You would have an interaction with

937

Laura: Yeah, you would

notice them, at least.

938

Xhafer: Yeah.

939

You'd be like, oh, hey know that this is

what you're getting into or something.

940

There'd be something there.

941

It's just fucking weird.

942

Laura: know who needs this?

943

The lady of the bong water?

944

Can you think of a Babylon 5 character

who needs the lady of the bong water?

945

Xhafer: I think a few

could use this visit.

946

I think this would save us a walkabout.

947

Laura: Oh, that's a good point.

948

I was thinking of a

certain Centauri emperor.

949

Xhafer: Oh, oh Londo.

950

This thing could just get

installed at the palace, man.

951

Laura: Just needs to sit there, like,

952

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a lot of, a lot of

forgiving needs to be done with Londo.

953

Ugh.

954

Laura: be so interesting.

955

Xhafer: Yeah.

956

Anyways Galen gets delivered a

message from the universe to Credits.

957

Laura: Yeah.

958

Yeah.

959

No, before that, Gideon and Matheson

also have a discussion about how they've

960

slept well for the first time in years,

961

Xhafer: Yeah.

962

Laura: which, you know, I'm, I'm glad

to hear and I'm glad there's healing.

963

But dudes would rather dig up an

ancient crystal ball than go to therapy.

964

Xhafer: Just get you some CBD tea, brah.

965

It helps.

966

Trust.

967

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

968

Laura: Yeah,

969

Xhafer: God, I just turned my

boss onto that and he's sleeping

970

well for the first time in

971

Laura: hey, good for him.

972

I could not sleep last night, but

I think it was, I had a migraine

973

day yesterday and wound up taking,

in addition to my regular medicine,

974

some Excedrin migraine in the

afternoon, which contains caffeine.

975

So

976

I think that that was

actually keeping me up.

977

Oh well,

978

Xhafer: That'll do

979

Laura: I'm going to need

some more CBD tea though.

980

Xhafer: Yeah.

981

I got to get you some CBD tea.

982

Do you have the link?

983

I'll send it to you.

984

Laura: Oh yeah, send me that one.

985

I've tried the

986

Harney and Sons CBD tea.

987

It's very good.

988

Xhafer: Yeah, no, it's the same

989

Laura: Oh, it is the same one?

990

Xhafer: Yeah.

991

Yeah.

992

It's Harney and Sons.

993

Uh, I, I usually drink the chamomile mint.

994

Laura: Uh huh.

995

Xhafer: Which is the 16 milligram.

996

They had a 12 for a while,

but I think they, I dunno.

997

I'm on the 16 now.

998

I got the 24.

999

Maybe it was even, maybe

it was more than that once.

00:42:52,966 --> 00:42:55,426

And that shit just knocked me out.

00:42:55,486 --> 00:42:56,776

I was done,

00:42:57,036 --> 00:42:57,536

Laura: Yeah.

00:42:57,716 --> 00:42:58,646

No, I liked it.

00:42:58,646 --> 00:42:59,476

I just need to get more.

00:42:59,904 --> 00:43:00,144

Xhafer: yeah.

00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:05,014

Laura: Yeah, so the message from the

universe, it says, Galen, my love.

00:43:05,354 --> 00:43:07,244

Or just Galen, love, I think.

00:43:07,924 --> 00:43:10,924

And they can't figure

out where it came from.

00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:12,174

Xhafer: Mm

00:43:13,229 --> 00:43:17,309

Laura: He wads it up and tosses

it on the floor to take credits.

00:43:18,254 --> 00:43:18,674

Xhafer: yep.

00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:20,269

Laura: Okay.

00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:22,216

Yeah.

00:43:22,538 --> 00:43:23,408

Xhafer: Therapy bra.

00:43:25,533 --> 00:43:28,683

Laura: So, Ja'far, how many

of your main guns are firing?

00:43:31,499 --> 00:43:37,119

Xhafer: one main gun fires for

Matheson seen in the Psycorps.

00:43:37,434 --> 00:43:37,934

Laura: Uh Huh.

00:43:39,024 --> 00:43:39,404

Yeah.

00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:40,229

Xhafer: it.

00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:40,551

Laura: Uh

00:43:40,551 --> 00:43:40,851

Huh.

00:43:41,468 --> 00:43:45,928

I didn't hate Gideon's either, except

that because we went with the apocalypse

00:43:45,928 --> 00:43:47,438

box, like tagging it in there,

00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:48,573

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

00:43:48,588 --> 00:43:49,708

Laura: it went on too long.

00:43:50,304 --> 00:43:52,814

Xhafer: I don't really, I mean, I

guess the order we're watching it

00:43:52,854 --> 00:43:55,694

in doesn't really fucking impact

this, but I feel like we've seen him

00:43:55,694 --> 00:43:57,644

floating in space like four times now.

00:43:57,869 --> 00:43:58,389

Laura: Yeah.

00:43:58,549 --> 00:43:58,819

Yeah.

00:43:59,279 --> 00:43:59,539

We've,

00:43:59,754 --> 00:44:00,854

Xhafer: It's just like, we, we

00:44:00,909 --> 00:44:01,149

Laura: it.

00:44:02,059 --> 00:44:02,289

Yeah.

00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:02,639

Yeah.

00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:03,858

Yeah.

00:44:04,949 --> 00:44:08,419

Yeah, it's kind of like, um, how

we kind of hammered in a little

00:44:08,419 --> 00:44:10,869

bit Sinclair's, like, abduction

00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:12,759

from the Midnight on the Firing Line.

00:44:13,354 --> 00:44:15,954

Xhafer: Yeah, except there's

no fucking mystery here.

00:44:16,641 --> 00:44:22,041

Like there's not, you know, surprise

Valen hanging out behind this, this story.

00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:24,171

It's I picked the dude up

00:44:24,748 --> 00:44:25,118

Laura: Uh Huh.

00:44:26,003 --> 00:44:27,843

Xhafer: also question.

00:44:28,593 --> 00:44:33,333

If he had the apocalypse box or

no, he would've gotten it after.

00:44:33,513 --> 00:44:33,863

Okay.

00:44:34,003 --> 00:44:34,683

He would've gotten it after.

00:44:34,748 --> 00:44:36,778

Laura: When did he get

the Apocalypse Box, we

00:44:37,023 --> 00:44:39,353

Xhafer: He, he got it

after the ship blew up.

00:44:39,768 --> 00:44:40,398

Laura: Yes.

00:44:40,578 --> 00:44:42,448

Xhafer: I'm just like, how did

it survive the shit blowing?

00:44:42,448 --> 00:44:44,668

You know, no, they tell

us it's after I'm just

00:44:45,638 --> 00:44:49,478

Laura: Did he have it when the

Drak Plague was released on Earth?

00:44:49,945 --> 00:44:50,575

Xhafer: He would have.

00:44:50,695 --> 00:44:51,745

Laura: Yeah, he would have had it.

00:44:51,765 --> 00:44:54,045

And the box is supposed

to tell the future, right?

00:44:54,598 --> 00:44:56,908

And the box just was like, Nah.

00:44:56,908 --> 00:45:01,058

Laughter

00:45:01,358 --> 00:45:04,638

Xhafer: I mean, he wasn't assigned

to any, he was in deep space then.

00:45:04,638 --> 00:45:05,408

So who knows?

00:45:06,368 --> 00:45:07,928

He may not have been

able to do shit about it.

00:45:07,928 --> 00:45:09,868

The box maybe didn't

want to do shit about it.

00:45:10,898 --> 00:45:12,198

Laura: I don't like the box.

00:45:13,151 --> 00:45:14,471

The box is bad.

00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:17,731

I mean, I think the box is hysterical.

00:45:17,791 --> 00:45:19,601

Let me clarify.

00:45:19,751 --> 00:45:21,811

But the box is a bad person.

00:45:23,151 --> 00:45:23,431

Xhafer: yeah.

00:45:24,201 --> 00:45:25,271

Laura: Yeah, so I'm with you.

00:45:25,271 --> 00:45:29,111

I'm like one main gun because

I've been like itching for

00:45:29,111 --> 00:45:30,651

some more about telepaths.

00:45:30,911 --> 00:45:32,361

And I finally got it.

00:45:32,891 --> 00:45:33,631

Xhafer: It's still a little bit.

00:45:34,511 --> 00:45:34,881

Laura: Yeah.

00:45:35,591 --> 00:45:35,911

But.

00:45:36,891 --> 00:45:39,181

I didn't need the Galen thing at all.

00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:41,741

It wasn't interesting for me.

00:45:42,467 --> 00:45:45,807

Xhafer: well, hopefully this

next episode is interesting.

00:45:46,107 --> 00:45:46,827

Laura: Hopefully.

00:45:46,887 --> 00:45:47,697

Tell me about it.

00:45:48,397 --> 00:45:52,537

Xhafer: We've got episode

six ruling from the tomb.

00:45:53,257 --> 00:46:00,287

Gideon and Lockley must prevent a

doomsday cult from killing everyone

00:46:00,297 --> 00:46:02,977

at a virus conference on Mars.

00:46:06,227 --> 00:46:08,097

Laura: so we're gonna get

some more pandemic weirdos?

00:46:09,157 --> 00:46:09,747

Xhafer: Probably.

00:46:09,837 --> 00:46:12,337

Laura: mean, that's one complaint

I've had is that there have

00:46:12,337 --> 00:46:14,037

not been nearly enough weirdos.

00:46:16,022 --> 00:46:19,522

Xhafer: We know there's going to be a

lot of weirdos when a pandemic hits.

00:46:19,597 --> 00:46:20,607

Laura: Now we know.

00:46:22,042 --> 00:46:23,682

Xhafer: Just how many will show up.

00:46:24,997 --> 00:46:25,637

Laura: All right.

00:46:25,677 --> 00:46:26,957

It's time, I guess.

00:46:27,436 --> 00:46:29,576

Xhafer: yeah, just like

it's time to say thank you.

00:46:30,216 --> 00:46:32,696

Thank you, Jeremy Siegel

for our lovely theme music.

00:46:32,696 --> 00:46:33,666

We appreciate you.

00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:36,396

We appreciate everything you do

and we appreciate your music.

00:46:36,756 --> 00:46:38,856

You can find more of

it at Jeremy Siegel 42.

00:46:38,906 --> 00:46:39,526

bandcam.

00:46:39,566 --> 00:46:42,376

com or on streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

00:46:42,531 --> 00:46:44,871

Laura: And thank you to

angryducktimemachine on Instagram

00:46:44,881 --> 00:46:46,031

for our podcast artwork.

00:46:46,931 --> 00:46:49,041

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing the podcast and

00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:50,291

making sure it gets out on time.

00:46:50,791 --> 00:46:52,051

Appreciate the hell out of you.

00:46:52,321 --> 00:46:52,871

Laura: Sure do.

00:46:53,381 --> 00:46:55,771

And thank you to you, the

listener, for being here with us.

00:46:55,781 --> 00:46:57,961

It's been another episode of Crusade.

00:46:57,971 --> 00:46:59,371

I hope you had a good time.

00:47:00,271 --> 00:47:06,161

Xhafer: I hope that this episode of our

podcast was better than that episode of

00:47:06,611 --> 00:47:08,391

Laura: I mean, the bar is so low.

00:47:08,391 --> 00:47:11,851

You gotta hope that we're

like, just flying over it.

00:47:11,851 --> 00:47:13,031

Yeah.

00:47:15,786 --> 00:47:20,526

And if you want to tell us about it, you

can email us at whoareyoub5 at gmail.

00:47:20,526 --> 00:47:22,926

com, or you can join us in the discord.

00:47:23,347 --> 00:47:23,657

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:25,247

And we'll see you next week, internet.

00:47:25,542 --> 00:47:26,072

Laura: Bye.