Today's guest is Diana from Horse Rescue United.
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:Diana is a dedicated advocate rescuing
and rehabilitating horses in need.
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:We'll hear about the mission, the
challenges of rescue work, and the
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:lives being changed one horse at a time.
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:Hi, Diana.
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:Thank you for coming on the show today.
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:Diana: Of course, anytime.
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:Dixie: My vet, Dr.
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:Charlotte, is the one that
recommended you because she got
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:her horse from Horse Rescue United.
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:So I would like to hear
all about your rescue.
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:Before we get into that, tell
me a little bit about yourself.
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:Diana: Sure.
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:Basically I work in marketing and
communications for a university,
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:and then I also, on the side, I
write fiction novels about horses.
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:And then I've been involved in horse
rescue pretty much since I was 15
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:years old doing fundraising and
marketing horses and things like that.
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:So yeah.
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:So basically I joined the rescue
ith somebody else back in, in:
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:So it's been 16 years
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:Dixie: When you first got
into horse rescue when you
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:were younger, what did you do?
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:Diana: I started out sponsoring a
horse, and then I realized they didn't
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:really have anyone to promote the
horses for adoption and sponsorship.
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:And I was 15, I was like I have
a computer and I can make flyers,
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:so if you guys want help."
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:So I would basically make flyers and
then go to 4-H fairs on the weekend
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:and just hand them out to people And
this is like pre-internet really.
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:And then once we got, once the internet
was up and running, like more people
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:were going on that, then I would
share stuff via the web and message
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:boards, and then eventually that
became things like Facebook and stuff.
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:So I've been on and off involved
in horse rescue since then.
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:So that's been, 31 years now.
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:It was just always a passion
of mine to help animals in
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:need, and especially horses,
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:Dixie: yeah.
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:I have spoken to a lot
of different rescues.
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:I've had, of course, cat rescues, dog
rescues, rat rescues, bunny rescues.
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:Oh, wow.
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:You're the first horse rescue.
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:The only other time that I ever did
talk about horses was we're in the
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:New Orleans area, so we have Mardi
Gras here, and after Mardi Gras they
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:have the Mardi Gras horse adoptions.
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:So- Okay … I spoke with the Humane
Society of Louisiana about what they
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:do to get these horses into homes.
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:So I would like to hear way more
about horse rescue, where the horses
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:are coming from how you handle homing
the horses, do you foster them?
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:I'd like to hear all about that.
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:Diana: Oh, sure.
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:Yeah.
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:So how we get the horses is like
a variety of different ways.
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:It can be like for example,
Charlotte's horse, Cooper,
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:actually came from an auction.
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:So a lot of times these horses end up at
auction, people don't want them anymore,
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:and then that's where their last stop is.
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:And there's, sometimes they can find
a home through there, but most of the
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:time it ends up like people that are
kill buyers that actually sell them
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:to slaughter in Canada or Mexico.
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:So there's people that bid on the
horses for meat, and they get sold and
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:then carted off to Canada or Mexico.
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:Sometimes they just get sold to the
Amish and a lot of the Amish horses
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:are, they're basically treated like
equipment, so they end up working in
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:the field, they end up pulling buggies,
and, a lot of times not very many years
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:later they're at a home and then they
end up back at the auction because they
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:can't, perform those duties anymore.
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:And a lot of our horses, like
including Cooper, were ex-Amish horses.
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:And then honestly, and then,
we've had horses who are abused
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:that, the SPCA gets involved in.
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:We've had neglected horses, a lot of
those that are just skinny and starved.
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:But then we've had, for as many of
those as we've had a lot of really
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:nice, owner surrender situations.
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:So people who have financial distress
or a death in the family or something
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:those people will contact us and as often
as possible we try to help those horses
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:before they end up, going to auction
and going to the slaughter pipeline.
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:So that's where all the horses come from.
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:I would say most of our horses are
ending up being owner surrenders now.
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:But when we can go to auction, we do.
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:And then as far as what we do,
so we don't have our own farm.
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:We board horses at a
facility in Wall, New Jersey.
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:So we have three, I think four
paddocks that we board the horses,
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:and they live out 24/7 with sheds,
and we can stall them when we need to
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:for emergencies or other reasons But
basically, the horses all live there.
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:And then depending on the situation,
the horses are either made adoptable
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:or they're sanctuary horses,
depending on if they have medical
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:needs, if they're extremely old.
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:So we actually have two horses
right now who are in their mid-30s,
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:which is really old for a horse.
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:The average age of a horse lifespan
now is pretty much 25 to 30, and some
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:of them don't even make it that long.
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:So we have one horse who's 35.
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:We have another who's 33.
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:And those horses are sanctuary horses.
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:And then we have some horses who a lot
of them are adoptable, but they're only
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:adoptable as a companion horse 'cause they
can't be ridden or , pull a cart anymore.
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:So those horses just stay and
people sponsor them, or they
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:might get adopted for a companion
home every once in a while.
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:It's really hard to find people willing
to just take a companion horse, but
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:thankfully we have found a number of
those horses homes over the years.
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:And then the horses who are rideable or
able to drive a cart, those are usually
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:the ones that are more adoptable.
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:And we, do a lot of our networking
is on Facebook and Instagram.
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:But we'll go on like local Facebook pages.
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:We'll sometimes try to do local
events as much as possible.
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:Most of the promotion we do these
days are digital, so there's not
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:a whole lot of like flyers and
things like that happening anymore.
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:It's all online.
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:People sometimes find us through
Petfinder and on our website too.
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:So there's lots of different ways that
the horses can find homes that way.
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:Dixie: So the sanctuary horses that
you have, are they living in the
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:facility that you have in New Jersey?
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:Diana: Yes.
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:Yeah.
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:So we so we don't own that facility,
but we board there, so we pay, a monthly
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:fee basically to have the horses there.
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:And then we're really lucky that we have
volunteers that are completely unpaid.
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:So we've got about 25 volunteers that come
in twice a day to do all the horse care.
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:So it's like mucking the horse fields,
making sure they have their hay and grain,
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:medicine, supplements grooming, all that
kind of care, make sure they have water.
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:So they come in twice a day
and take care of the horses.
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:So thankfully, we don't have to
pay anybody to feed the horses, but
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:obviously we have to pay all the
hay, grain the farrier for their
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:feet dental costs, vet bills on top
of their hay, grain, and whatever
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:medication and supplements they get,
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:Dixie: and what about an
exercise time for the horses?
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:Diana: So they're actually out 24/7.
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:So the horses all have their own paddock
with a run-in shed, so they can just
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:go in and out whenever they want to.
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:And the horses that are obviously not
rideable it's just whatever they wanna do.
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:And most of the horses that are companions
or sanctuary horses, you don't wanna
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:really get them to run around too much
because they're already dealing with leg
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:issues and lameness and things like that.
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:So they can just freely run
around as they feel like.
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:But they're just in and out all day.
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:Most of the time the horses are
outside, and then they just go in
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:their shed if it's too hot or maybe
when it's raining, but sometimes
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:they don't even care about the rain.
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:They just stay outside.
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:And then the horses that we do have
that are rideable, which right now we
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:don't have any rideable horses, but
when we do those horses are basically
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:we try to either bring in a trainer or
if we happen to have an in-house trainer
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:those horses are ridden, and then we
take videos of those horses and keep
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:track of their progress to post those
on Facebook and other places to try
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:to find them homes and just keep track
of their progress, but yeah, the ones
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:that are just companions or sanctuary
horses, they just hang out all day.
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:They're like big dogs.
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:Dixie: Yeah, they have a good life.
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:Diana: Yeah, I have two pasture pets at my
house, and I'm like, "Man, I could just…
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:this is the life right here."
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:Dixie: So what is the criteria
that you have for adoption?
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:Diana: We actually have a
pretty strict adoption process.
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:I've talked to other rescues, and
a lot of the rescues don't do what
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:we do, but we're really committed
that our horses don't end up in the
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:bad situations they come from again.
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:So we have a really long contract.
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:It has everything from, if the horse
is ever sold, leased given away,
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:that kind of thing, without our
permission, there's like a $10,000 fee.
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:We require photos from the
adopters every three months.
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:Thankfully, I have a really good
relationship with our adopters, so a lot
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:of them will just post them to Facebook.
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:I don't actually have to ask them.
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:And they'll put them on Facebook or
Instagram, tag us, and then we always
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:provide those updates back to the people
following us, so people that give money.
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:That way if they wanna see a
horse - Some people call horses
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:that were adopted 14 years ago, and
they ask for updates all the time.
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:So we require the photos and the updates.
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:We also require a vet check form.
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:So the vet check form is given to
every adopters every adopter once a
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:year, and then they're responsible for
having their vet fill out that form.
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:It says that they've gotten their vaccine,
they've gotten a physical there's no
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:issues that we need to be aware of.
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:There's a mechanism in place so that if
the vet does see a horse and there's an
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:issue, they can contact us anonymously.
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:So that's one of the ways
that we keep in touch.
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:But thankfully, most of our adopters
in the contract, it does require them
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:to update us, so if the horse, it needs
to be put down or dies suddenly, or if
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:there is a very serious medical issue,
we require them to get in touch with us.
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:And if somebody isn't able to keep their
horse anymore, so if they have a financial
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:situation or somebody passes away and,
they can't keep the horse their contract
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:requires the horse basically to come back
to us, unless we can find a new home.
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:Now, we've had situations where a horse
is adopted out, somebody passes away,
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:they can't-- you know, , their family
can't keep the horse, they'll contact us.
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:And thankfully, we've been really lucky
that a lot of those horses haven't
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:actually had to come physically back
to the rescue, but we were able to,
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:find them a home through the rescue
and then get them adopted that way.
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:So it's a pretty strict process.
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:We do background checks.
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:We do reference checks
of people to make sure…
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:Like we're actually okay with first-time
horse owners, as long as they have some
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:horse care experience, and we don't
require anybody to own their own farm.
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:But we just like to make sure that, people
are committed to the horse, especially
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:even if the horse is rideable at the time.
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:We have , a clause in the contract
that specifically asks, "If this
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:horse isn't rideable anymore,
will you keep this horse?"
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:And if the answer is no, then
that's obviously not a good fit.
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:If the answer is yes, then we
know they're a committed home.
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:They're gonna keep the horse.
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:And most of the people, are true to their
word and do that, unless there's a very
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:serious financial situation or something.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I like that clause
about the photos, 'cause that's
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:nice always knowing how they're
doing when you see the photos too.
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:Diana: Yeah.
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:I feel like a lot of rescues,, they
adopt something and it's like, how
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:do you even know where they are?
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:If they're okay.
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:Like they're just, there's just so much.
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:And One of the things that our rescue does
is we maintain that, that quote-unquote
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:"ownership" for life, even though I would
consider all of our adopters owners.
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:We at least have the safety net
of if something happens to that
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:adopter, whether they, if they have
an issue or if they need to reach
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:out to us, like we're at least there.
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:So there's never a situation
where it's like, "Oh my God,"
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:"I lost my job," or, "There's a
family member that passed away."
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:They always, like the horses always have
a spot with us no matter what as long as
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:they were, if they came from the rescue.
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:So there's always people that contact
us for places in the rescue, but we
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:can't always accommodate those unless
they came from the rescue before.
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:Dixie: So have you ever had to enforce
that $10,000 portion on your contract?
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:Diana: Thankfully, we haven't.
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:We have had two horses that were
neglected that had to be taken back.
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:But thankfully other than
that, we've been really lucky.
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:We've had several horses that
have come back two or three times.
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:Two, like one of them in
particular, both of his previous
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:adopters passed away from cancer.
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:So it was one of those situations
where they didn't really have any,
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:the families weren't horse owners.
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:It was really just those adopters that,
that had the horse experience, and
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:they just didn't feel like they could
keep the horse for various reasons.
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:So those horses got returned
to us, and thankfully they've
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:all been adopted out since.
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:So like I said, there's been a
few that have had two or three
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:homes depending on the situation.
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:But thankfully, I have a lot of
horses that we adopted out in:
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:2011, and they're still in those
homes today, which is amazing.
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:Dixie: Yeah, that's fantastic.
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:Now, you said that some of the horses
are companion only, and in other
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:ones y-you may be able to ride or
people may be able to do a cart- Yep
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:with them.
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:So would- Yep.
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:E-explain to me what a cart is.
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:What does that mean?
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:Is that a workhorse?
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:Is it, or is that different
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:Diana: oh, yeah.
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:That would be like if somebody
wanted to go on a carriage ride.
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:There's a lot of around the country,
there's a lot of pleasure driving
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:that happens, so there's people that
do like even, people just take their
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:horses out with a carriage on a trail.
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:There's some people that actually
do competitive driving in shows.
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:We actually one of the horses I know
of that we've adopted out, she actually
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:does do shows every year, and they
send us really nice photos of her
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:competing in shows with the carriage.
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:It's really pretty.
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:I would say most of our horses are just
riding horses, but since we do a lot with
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:Standardbreds, those horses, were driven
on the track mostly, so they can do both.
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:So thankfully, we've had some horses
that, their adopters have the choice.
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:So they can go riding or if they
wanna go out with a carriage.
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:We evaluate all the horses
before they go out for that.
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:Sometimes we'll have a horse that even
though it was a Standardbred, it's not,
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:a great fit for a driving horse, but
it's a great fit for a riding horse.
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:So that's how we evaluate that.
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:But so yeah, we've had carriage
horses, nobody's doing any work horses.
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:We don't allow any breeding of the horses.
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:That's something that's really strict.
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:So once the horses go out we
have a clause that they, if
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:it's a mare, it can't be bred.
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:We have a clause that they can't be
just given away The horses usually don't
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:go to lesson programs or trail barns.
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:I think when we first started, we
had a horse or two that went out to
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:trail programs where people like,
come to a business and ride trails.
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:But it was a really nice facility.
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:It wasn't like a facility where
the horses are overworked.
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:But in general, we seek private homes
and just trying to find people directly
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:that are gonna kinda keep a horse as
a pet and just wanna do some riding.
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:Dixie: You did mention that
you get some Amish horses.
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:Do you get- Yes … more Amish
horses than you do other ones?
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:Diana: I wouldn't say more,
but we've had quite a few.
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:We've had many that were Standardbred
racehorses that got, for one reason
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:or another, they were sold and then
they ended up, in an Amish home.
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:My, one of my personal horses
that I adopted from the rescue,
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:her name is Classic Cookie.
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:She's one of those.
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:She's 16.
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:But she basically was in training
to be Standardbred racehorse.
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:She wasn't fast enough.
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:She's a small horse.
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:She was sold and actually ended up
being a broodmare for a few years.
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:And then unfortunately,
her owner passed away.
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:I think, and before, he actually
got sick first and had to sell her,
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:and then she just fell through the
cracks, ended up with the Amish.
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:She didn't get adopted
through our rescue at first.
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:She was like a private horse that, that
our that our founder knew from, 'cause
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:she worked in the Standardbred industry.
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:And what happened was, because she
was her trainer the Standardbreds have
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:freeze brands on their neck usually.
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:Anouk is the founder of our rescue.
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:She got a phone call when they
found Classic Cookie at a sales
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:lot, as basically somebody
saying, "Hey, we found this horse.
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:Do you wanna purchase her?"
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:Thankfully, we were able to come together
and give her a spot in the rescue, even
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:though we were pretty full at the time.
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:And then she has old injuries.
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:So she has an injury that they think
is probably an old buggy injury,
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:so she's got a huge back ankle.
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:And then with her other
back leg is sunken in too.
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:So she could technically maybe ride at a
light walk, but that's all she could do.
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:There, she wouldn't hold up to a lot of
work, and that's probably why the Amish
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:ended up dumping her at a sales program.
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:So there's a lot of horses like that.
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:, It's such hard work.
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:They're wearing these really heavy shoes.
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:It just takes a toll on their bodies.
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:And, with my horse's case, she's
been with me for two years now.
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:All she does is stand in the field
all day, eat hay, grass, hang out with
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:her buddy and that's all I ask of her.
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:Sometimes you get lucky.
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:Sometimes we'll get a horse from the
Amish via auction that can be ridden on
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:some level, but a lot of times the horses
that come from the Amish especially are
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:just really beat up and it takes a lot of
rehab to get them in better shape again.
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:Dixie: When you purchase a horse
from an auction, how much do you
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:typically have to spend per horse?
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:Diana: So it's gone up
considerably in the last few years.
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:When we first did it back in
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:horse who had cancer in his eye.
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:So he obviously didn't have a good
prognosis, but we got him for $35.
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:Dixie: Wow.
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:Diana: We got another-- Yeah We
got another standard bred mare
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:who was in really bad condition.
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:We got her for $75.
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:So I think we got-- I think Cooper
and the other horse that we got at the
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:time were m- were closer to 150, 200.
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:And usually the cheaper horses, that's
the ones that the kill buyers go after.
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:But I know the last few years the
prices have definitely gone up.
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:That's why we don't really deal so much
directly with auction horses anymore is
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:for a reason, because, we went a few years
ago and there were horses that were in
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:really bad condition and they wanted $500.
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:So it just depends on the time
of year and things like that.
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:Sometimes you can get lucky and they're
not that expensive, but the prices for
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:meat and just for horses going through
auction has definitely risen considerably.
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:But any of the horses, that's one
of the things we always tell people
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:that are looking to place their
horses that we can't help, is just
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:to try to make the price as high as
possible or require a contract and
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:follow-up, because there's just so much.
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:If, people see ads for free horses,
those are the horses that they're gonna
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:target and try to sell to kill buyers.
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:Dixie: Would you mean this is like
an individual that contacts you for
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:a rehoming, but you don't have space
right now, so you just offer them
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:Diana: that advice?
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:Exactly.
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:Exactly.
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:So we'll just tell them, "Hey,"
we'll even tell people like, "You
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:can go to our website and take our
contract and just change it, the
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:wording, so that it's, your name."
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:And that way it's something a
little bit more tangible that
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:might scare a kill buyer away.
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:Because a lot of these kill buyers will
literally show up to people's houses
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:when they see these ads, and they'll
bring their kids, and they'll bring their
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:family and say, "Oh yeah, of course,
yeah, I really wanna help your 25-year-old
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:horse, and give her a great home."
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:And meanwhile, they're just literally
gonna flip the horse for profit.
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:So that's something that people
have to be really careful of.
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:And a lot of people don't understand,
like, how bad, the industry is as far
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:as just how dangerous it is to let
these horses go through the cracks.
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:There are horses we've talked to people
that we can't take that are older,
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:that have a lot of health issues, and
that our recommendation is to literally
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:have the horse euthanized because the
risk of that horse ending up in a worse
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:situation and suffering is just so high,
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:Dixie: yeah, that's very sad.
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:I know as far as with puppies and kittens
and cats and dogs, whenever people are,
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:like, giving them away, especially on
social media, I always tell them, do a
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:vet reference because they do show up
and they will actually pay a family to
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:go show up and make everything- Yeah
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:Look legit.
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:So you're like, "Oh, they have
kids, it's a nice sweet family."
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:Yeah.
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:I cannot- Yeah … believe they
do that for the horses too.
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:That just blows my mind.
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:Diana: Yes.
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:Yeah, and if anything, it's worse 'cause
it's just, they have the horse, the
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:dogs that they use for fighting and
stuff, but with the horse industry- Yeah
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:the way it is, it's so easy to be
like, "Oh, I'm just gonna take this
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:horse, and I didn't have to pay
anything for it, and now I can go to
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:auction and get five, $600 for it."
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:And if it ends up, going to a
kill buyer, what do they care?
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:That's just a way to make money.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:It makes a lot of sense because, even
with the, with what people will try
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:to do to acquire cats and dogs, and
like you said they're doing this- Yeah
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:and they're not really making a
profit off of them because, most of
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:the time a cat or dog- Yeah … is
just gonna be like a mutt basically.
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:But I mean- Yeah … that makes a
lot of sense though with the people
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:going to get these horses because
it's a financial thing for them.
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:But I mean- 100% … still it just,
it like blows my mind 'cause I guess
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:just most people never think about
that, especially people in the city,
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:they just don't think about that.
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:Diana: Yeah, it's horrible.
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:It's one of those things I learned
the hard way when I was 15, 16 and
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:didn't wanna believe it, but it
was just, it's just gotten worse.
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:It's…
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:And unfortunately you hear from
people that are, desperate.
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:There's people that reach out to
us all the time, "Oh my God, I
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especially the good ones
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amount of space and funds.
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put you on a wait list," or, "We
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heartbreaking to see some people.
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best bet is if they can't afford it
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like you might wanna just, consider
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:giving them a good end now before they
end up in some terrible situation.
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:Because going to those auction houses,
you see some absolutely terrible things.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I can imagine.
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:So how many horses can you
house at your facility?
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:Diana: Normally we can house, let's
see, six, about eight or nine at max.
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:Right now we have eight, because one of
the horses we have is actually, I would
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:actually call her a semi-feral horse.
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:She's a 35-year-old horse.
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:Unfortunately she was badly abused.
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:She has a lot of issues, and we
can't put her directly in a field
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too territorial with those horses.
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an entire field right now.
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probably put two where she is.
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the the eight we have right now.
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Standardbreds, a Thoroughbred.
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:We have a kind of a Welsh cross pony.
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:We have what's called a Criollo
mare, which is a Thoroughbred
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:And we probably are about to take
actually a Oldenburg horse that's
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an emergency in-take request from.
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that horse comes in, we're
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:Dixie: How many adoptions do
you normally have per year?
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:Diana: It varies.
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:The last few years have definitely
been down because we've been getting
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be adopted or just aren't adopted.
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16 years, we've adopted, I think,
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:But we-- the last few years
have been two or three a year
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:I believe last year we had
two adoptions, if not three.
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haven't had any so far.
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:Currently, we only have o- two
horses for adoption right now,
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:and they're both companion horses,
and one of them is amazing.
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:One of them is just the
nicest, sweetest family horse.
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:But again, it's a companion horse, but
you can't really ride her a lot of people
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:don't wanna deal with that right now.
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pretty much stagnant other than, we have
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:two that are available for adoption,
the chances of them getting adopted
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:People don't wanna take on
a horse that they can't ride
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:Dixie: Before we end the call, do
you have any good rescue stories
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:Diana: we have so many
good rescue stories.
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:I always had really great
situations where we had a horse
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:He was a gray stallion, and basically
the, our founder, Nook, was out driving
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ponies chained on the side of the road.
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with the house with these ponies, why
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:It turns out it's just this family
that really doesn't know any better,
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stallion living in their backyard.
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living on a chain in their yard.
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:And we were able to save the ponies.
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:We were able to save the the gray horse,
and he was one of those horses where he
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:clearly had been trained at some point
in his past, but was just sitting in this
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:person's yard on a chain, like neglected.
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:We checked it probably took us about six
months to, to get him to rehab so that
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and he was one of these horses that
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really needed a very experienced rider.
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we didn't really have a lot of great
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:inquiries because, again, there's
not a lot of people out there
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:looking for a horse that needs an
advanced rider, and especially people
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:But we were able to find we, a
12-year-old girl contacted us of
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:all things, and we require all the
adopters to be 18 and older, so her
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:It was like love at first sight.
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:They rode.
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:Everything went amazing, and she
still has him to this day, so she's
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:had him for, I think, 15 years.
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:And he's a little old man now, and that's
one of my favorites, just like seeing
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:like that horse would've probably died in
this yard if we hadn't, come across him.
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:And just being able to s- like just
have him be with somebody who's not
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:only you think when somebody's 12 years
old, like they might lose interest in
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:horses or they might send the horse
back, and the fact that, she's well
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:into her 20s and and she doesn't really
ride him anymore but she's dedicated
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:to him and just that he's had such a
really good, end of his life because
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:he came from a really rough situation.
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:So that's one of my favorites, but there's
so many that are similar to that, whether
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:they're companion horses or riding horses
that our adopters have really stepped
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:up for and given like amazing homes.
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:And it's really great to like still
get the updates after 15 years from
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:some of these people and see like
what an amazing life their horses
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:That is amazing to hear that she
started at 12 years old and she still
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:has the horse that many years later.
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:That is amazing.
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:Diana: Yep.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah, exactly.
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:Dixie: Thank you so much for coming on
the show to talk with me about this.
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:And I hope it raises some awareness too,
because I think like a lot of people,
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:and particularly in the city, you hear
about things like this with all these
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:horses going to auction and getting sold
to slaughterhouses, but I don't think
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:it really sticks with a lot of people.
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:I don't think they tend to believe it.
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:I think it's just one of
these things where they're
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:like, "Oh, that's just a myth.
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:So I think it's good, to speak with you
to raise awareness for that too, so people
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:know that kind of stuff does go on, and
these animals need to be rescued as well.
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:Diana: Yeah.
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:Thank you.
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:It's one of those things, like until I
went to my first auction, which I think
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:I was a teenager when I first did it,
it really is just eye-opening and just
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:makes you wanna, help as many as you can.
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:And it's just hard 'cause
there's always more to help.
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:But but at least the ones that
we do help, we really feel good
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:that we've changed their lives,
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:Dixie: yeah.
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:I couldn't imagine going to one of
those auctions because, it's gotta
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:be- Oh, yeah … so awful because
you can't take all of them with you,
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:Diana: yeah.
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:And when I first went, I was a teenager.
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:I couldn't take anybody, and it
was just like, "What do I do?"
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:And and Nook, who was our founder,
she went up several years ago, she
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:called me, and originally she was
gonna take two horses, and suddenly
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:she's I think I'm gonna take four."
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:And I went, "Do we have money for four?
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:Like, how are we gonna get four?"
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:But we, thank God we got four because
those horses all really needed it,
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:and they all ended up in, in much
better situations as a result of that,
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:Dixie: yeah, that's wonderful.
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:Thank you for the great work
that you do with the horses.
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:Diana: Oh, thank you so much.
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:And if people are interested
horserescueunited.org
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:is our website.
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:Obviously people can go look at
us and we always need sponsors and
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:things like that, so really appreciate
anybody helping to support us.
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:Dixie: Yeah, and I'll put that
in the show notes too, so that
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:way people have the direct link.
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:Oh,
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:Diana: that'd be great.