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Engaging Our LIteral Neighbors
Episode 20 • 23rd October 2023 • Listening for Clues • On the Journey with Jon & Lauren
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Engaging Our LIteral Neighbors

We are honored to have the Rev. Derek Miller, Rector of St. Peter's Church in Ellicott City, MD with us. Derek talks with us about what it means to be a "co-vocational" priest, and the work he is doing with the Ellicott City Partnership. He encourages us to re-engage with our literal neighbors, people outside the walls of our churches.

00:00 Engaging Our LIteral Neighbors

00:22 Introduction

01:34 The Ellicott City Partnership

03:49 About Ellicott City and the People

06:56 Co-Vocational: What Does It Mean?

11:47 Surprises? Resilience!

14:47 Your Source of Spiritual Resili

16:55 Having Fun

19:25 BothAndBand

22:00 Connect with Derek

23:48 Final Words

26:55 Thanks

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Derek's Website

Derek's Facebook page

Derek on YouTube

@stpetersec on Instagram

Band is on Instagram: BothAndBand: @bothandband

Old Ellicott City partnership website: https://visitoldellicottcity.com/

Derek is the Rector at St. Peter's Episcopal Church in Old Ellicott City and the Main Street Coordinator for the Ellicott City Partnership. Person, Partner, Parent, Priest, Place-maker. I live in OEC with my wife, Kara and my three-year old son, Easton and I love to accumulate (and sometimes read) books, drink craft-made beverages, and play music at open mics. (let me know if you need other info)

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Jon: Welcome to Good News, being

brought to you by Listening for Clues.

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Lauren: We are Lauren Welch and

Jon Shematek, deacons in the

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Episcopal Diocese of Maryland.

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Jon: We sure are, and today we have a very

special guest, the Reverend Derek Miller.

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Derek is the rector at St.

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Peter's Episcopal Church in

Old Ellicott City, and he is

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the Main Street Coordinator for

the Ellicott City Partnership.

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His bio has several

words that begin with P.

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He's

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a person, partner,

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parent, priest, and placemaker.

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He lives in Old Ellicott City with

his wife Kara and three year old son

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Easton, and he loves to accumulate

and sometimes even read books.

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You drink craft made beverages.

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And play music at open mics,

which actually I'd like to

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hear a little bit about, too.

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But, Derek, welcome.

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We're really so grateful that you're here

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with us today.

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Derek: I'm really glad to be invited

and to be here with you both.

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So looking forward to the conversation.

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Lauren: Great.

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It's so good to have you

with us today, Derek.

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So along with all of your

duties as Rector of St.

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Peter's in Ellicott City, you also

are coordinator for the, partnership.

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So tell us a little bit about that.

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Derek: Yeah.

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The best way to begin is to say that

it's sort of an experiment as our

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church has really leaned into part

of its identity as being a church

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that's here for Old Ellicott City, as

a parish church for Old Ellicott City.

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And part of that has been engaging with

a lot of our neighbors here and getting

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To know their world to serve them.

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And one of the organizations that has

some shared values in that mission

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is the Ellicott City Partnership,

which is our main street organization.

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Historic Ellicott City is

a, is a historic district.

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It has a main street that's comprised of a

lot of different businesses and residents.

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And so, I had served on the board

with this organization for a little

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while, and we had this kind of crazy

experimental idea of basically having

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a, a sharing agreement between St.

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Peter's, which has been a really active

and engaged church in Ellicott City,

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especially since the the flooding

that took place here and and the

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Ellicott City Partnership, you know.

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And so we came up with this

idea of having a part time Main

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Street coordinator position.

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Frankly, that was in some ways

officializing some work I was already

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doing as a priest that believes

that I'm here to serve the parish,

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which includes this community.

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And so so we're trying it out.

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And seeing seeing how it works

in ways that can mutually benefit

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not just each organization, but of

course benefit our neighbors here

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and help our community flourish.

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That's the most important thing.

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So so that's, that's how it's begun.

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It means spending a lot of time with

our business owners and residents,

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hearing what's important to them,

hearing some of the challenges.

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Helping to get ourselves organized

and addressing some of those

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challenges together in creative

and hopefully positive ways.

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So and it's new it just began in

the last couple months, so we're

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still figuring it out as we go.

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Jon: Oh, that's really exciting.

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So Derek, can you tell us for

some folks don't really know

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Old Ellicott City at all.

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Yeah.

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We have an audience that kind of

goes beyond our borders as well.

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Can you tell people a little bit

about what the environment is

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like and what the town is like?

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Derek: Sure, sure.

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So Ellicott City is a historic town that

actually we just celebrated our, I think

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the, I can't remember exactly the right

term, but it's the 250th anniversary of

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this old mill town that was founded by

the Ellicott family and the Ellicotts who

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came down from Pennsylvania themselves,

who were Quakers, and helped to introduce

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grain growth into this region rather

than just tobacco and tried to harvest

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the power of the Patapsco River here

for a flour mill, and 250 years later.

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Of course, this area has

grown and changed a lot.

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Ellicott City itself is the seat

for Howard County government.

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And so we have our

government offices are here.

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And just like other historic towns

that have gone through a lot.

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The economy has changed.

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Of course, we no longer have an active

flour mill that's now slated for adaptive

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reuse, likely to be turned into apartments

and retail and restaurant space.

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What was once more of a sleepy antique

dealing sort of town has now changed

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into having a more diverse economy.

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With a lot of different businesses

and frankly, just a lot of different

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people some increased diversity here.

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And so we're trying to do our best to

adapt and change which frankly feels

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very much like the same challenge that

many of our churches are facing as well.

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And so, there's a lot that's lined up

there, but anyway Ellicott City itself has

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also gone through quite a few tragedies,

it's been been through several large

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scale fires a train derailment, and in

the most recent years, two what they call

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thousand year flood events within two

years of each other, in:

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Where there was loss of life and

many many businesses that did

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not make it through that time.

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And then of course, like the

rest of us we've had a pandemic

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as the cherry on top after that.

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And so a lot of challenges and with that.

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A lot of developed resilience

in the community as well.

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So that's just a little bit about us.

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It's a wonderful place.

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I, of course I'm biased, but I would

encourage anyone to come and visit.

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It's a place where you

can get all sorts of food.

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There's so many different

interesting shops and businesses.

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We have places to throw axes, if

you're into that, and, you know

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everything in between, so it's a

really great, really great town.

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Jon: Knowing you in other contexts

I've heard you use the word co

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vocational rather than bi vocational.

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Is that part of what you're talking

about, being a parish priest or a

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rector of a parish, of a church,

and being part of this partnership?

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That's a new concept for a lot of us.

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We've heard of bi vocational.

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Clergy, but not co-vocational necessarily.

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Derek: Certainly.

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And yeah, it's it's something I've,

I've probably been overly vocal about

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in discussions around vocation, but,

you know, we all have different ways in

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which we live into our callings, even my

bio has all these P words that describe

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sort of the dimensions of my own calling.

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I'm my part of my vocation.

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One as a, as a person in particularly

as a baptized person in the church

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is to be a minister in God's church.

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To be a partner is a part

of my vocation as a husband.

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To be a parent is a part of my vocation.

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But also to be a priest, and then

that last one, being a, a place maker.

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But those are all, to me, not

divided up parts of my vocation,

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but are all dimensions of a, a

singular calling for me, which is

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to, where, how I, I show up as...

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As that vocation, whether I am, you know,

at the altar, whether I'm doing what I

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was just doing before this call, sitting

in someone's home as they're dealing

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with a loved one who's in hospice care.

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Or whether I'm helping to mediate conflict

between business owners or help someone

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talk about how they can help to start

a new venture in our, in our community.

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It's, it's all layers of vocation.

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And so sometimes, and I, know every

every person approaches their,

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especially if they're in vocational

ministry differently, and some people

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cannot sustain that with you know,

getting their paycheck from the church

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and, and need to get it elsewhere.

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But I, for me, I, I don't like

calling that bivocational.

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I think there's an alignment

in that sense of vocation.

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So I, I view stepping in

as a Main Street manager.

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As also a way that I'm caring for

for a parish which is not just my

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congregation members, the people

who show up on Sundays, but it's the

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people who live in Old Ellicott City.

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I consider them to be my.

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And because they live here.

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And so it's my opportunity,

it's my calling to serve them,

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how they need to be served.

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And so this is another dimension

and that's, that's been part of the.

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As we've discerned this a little bit

here with my, my vestry here and had

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conversations with some other diocesan

leaders about this unique structure and

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of course, got the bishop's permission,

to, to explore this, they, they saw

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this very much in that way that this

is not this is not a bifurcating of my,

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of my calling or kind of a splitting

up, which is what sometimes, sometimes

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I can receive the phrase bivocational,

but it's, it's co vocational.

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It's, it's a deepening of that

sense of calling to place.

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And and I'll just say

one thing about that.

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I think that's become something

that's become more central to my own.

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I'm not just calling, but my understanding

of what I think is ought to be

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decidedly Christian about our sense

of calling is that it be rooted in a

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place that when Jesus calls us to love

our neighbors as ourselves, that he

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at least means our literal neighbors.

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The people that we live next to,

the people that are right around us.

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And I actually wonder sometimes how

how our literal neighbors bear witness

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to our love for them as opposed

to how others might feel loved.

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So so anyway, that's, that's part of it,

part of it, I think, for me, is that we

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all have ways that we're called to serve.

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To serve others and to

serve God in this world.

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And I'd love for us to see them

as being a lot more integrated and

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related to one another than split up.

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Lauren: That's wonderful.

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I love hearing that.

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I had not heard the word either

Derek, and I, I really liked that.

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It does make our work, our

vocation more dynamic and organic.

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I know as a deacon.

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Everything I did was diaconal, so that

I could not separate myself, but I

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didn't have a word for it, so thank you.

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In all that you do at St.

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Peter's and with the, with Ellicott

City, what has surprised you the most?

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Derek: Hmm,

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that's a really good question.

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I, I think the, the depth

of the resilience of people.

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Continues to surprise me, you

know for those that don't know St.

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Peter's as a church itself has gone

also gone through its own layers of

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trauma, and has made it through that.

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It's a church that experienced.

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Imperilment.

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And from what I understand, imperilment

is oftentimes more of a stage on

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the way to the ending of a church.

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And and St.

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Peter's was able to come out of that and I

think stronger than it was going into it.

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In that same time frame, it

also experienced tragedy.

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There was incidents of gun

violence about 11 years ago.

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Where our parish administrator and

a priest at the time their lives

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were both taken by gun violence.

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And the, the shooter also

turned the gun on himself.

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And that was a very tragic and

very difficult circumstance for the

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church to work through and overcome.

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And, you know, I'm told that on the

Sunday following that tragic event

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that they were committed to still

worshipping in their own church.

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The, the Sunday following

the Friday, I believe.

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That, that is incredible strength

and resilience in the face of,

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of, Real, real intense tragedy.

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And so I continue to see that showing

up again and again here in this church

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community and the way that they have

now also leveraged that resilience in

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service of others who've now gone through

two floods, and who've now gone through

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a pandemic and are coming out of it.

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And so, yeah, that's a long answer

of way of saying resilience.

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It's, it's been a.

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a wonderful thing to see.

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Of course, there's other difficulties

that come with experiencing trauma and

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living with that as a community and

as individuals, but that resilience

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is, is nevertheless very present.

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Jon: So I'm, I'm kind of wondering for

you, for you, as well as the community

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Derek, and living through these

traumas, whether it was vicariously

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by being, just be part of the history.

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You yourself, various traumas or

obstacles you faced in your own life.

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How, what, what do you see as the source?

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Let's say, maybe take it for you,

if it's not too personal question.

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What, what is the source of that

spiritual resilience or, or strength?

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Where, where does that come from for you?

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How do you, how are you nourished?

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Derek: Yeah.

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You know, I, if I could sum it

up in a, in a word, I would say

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it's, It's the word connection.

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So connection, connection with God

through obviously some of the spiritual

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practices that many of us engage with.

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For me I've learned that that connection

is often found by me getting away from all

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that is digital and distracting and being

being very much in in place in nature.

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You know, this morning as much as I

didn't want to get myself out of bed

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this morning, I did to go on my what's

become a morning run ritual for me.

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And I intentionally do that here in

the community in places where there's

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a lot of leaves and water running

and, you know and so that's, that's

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been very helpful and grounding for

me because it helps reconnect to

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me, to myself as a creature, to.

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Being a part of the broader creation and

the one who's created it, to my creator.

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I think also connection with each other.

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And so being able to do that obviously in

regular worship, rather regular gathering

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with each other, sharing with each other.

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I mean, I mentioned having had

a moment of pastoral care right

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before I jumped onto this call.

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There is a connection that.

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is really profound when you connect

with someone else in, in the heaviness

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and in their, in their difficulty.

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It it evokes those times where

you felt that same connection.

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I think often of Henri Nouwen's

discussion around this, about the

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wounded healer, that we connect in

our place of common woundedness.

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And that that can be that can

be very profound and sacred

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when we connect in that way.

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And not, and to make it not

too serious, to just connect

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and have fun with each other.

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I mean, just to, like, eat

good food and have good drink

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and laugh and tell stories.

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Those have been things that

I've found very generative.

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I love laughing.

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I love, you know, sharing good

stand up comedy with somebody else

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or, you know, just laughing a lot.

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I have a three year old, so I have a lot

of material for him at home right now.

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And frankly that's been

very restorative for me.

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So, those are, those are some of the ways.

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Also my spiritual director's been

very helpful in this of helping me.

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Make sure that I guard regular, at least

quarterly times, if not monthly, where

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I am getting away and being quiet and

can't be found, you know, kind of like

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Jesus for a little while would do that.

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And and that's been very,

very important for me.

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and sustaining.

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So, I hope that, I hope that gets

at an answer to your question.

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Jon: Well, yeah, it's your answer, and

it's a great answer, and it's one I think

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we need, we all need to pay attention to.

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I'll speak for myself, right, Lauren?

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I need to think of my I statements.

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I need to hear that.

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I need to think about getting away.

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One of the reflections in my Prayer

life this morning was around Jesus

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going away to pray by himself.

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Derek: Isn't that amazing?

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And that, and that people

got upset with him.

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They couldn't find him.

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You know, I, you know,

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Jon: they were, they were hunting for him.

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Right.

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Isn't that, I mean, that's the word.

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Oh my gosh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So people do miss their priests

when they're not available to,

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I suppose, but there is such.

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You spoke such a good and deep reason for

that so I, I'm going to treasure those

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words that you've just spoken and, and,

and go back to them from time to time.

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Good lesson.

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So let's see.

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This is all good.

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You know, sometimes we do just

have to be quiet and see what the

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Holy Spirit's saying to us too.

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I'm not good at that, as you may know.

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I kind of chatter.

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Good.

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I love what you had to say about laughter

and just recalling, Some great laughs

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I've had today and yesterday as how that

kind of opens your heart , you talked

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about in your bio that you You play

music at open mics Yeah Can you talk

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a little bit about that, what that's

like, and what, I mean, what's your

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instrument, and what kind of music?

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Derek: Yeah, yeah, so since middle

school, I've been playing guitar,

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and was in a smattering of bands

all through high school and college,

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mostly, like, way heavier music.

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That I've learned that many of

my congregation members probably

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wouldn't care for, but that's okay.

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Currently I have a good friend of mine

and I have had this duo that we've

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we've started, kind of resurrected.

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She and I used to play church

music together, at a, in a

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different church setting.

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Before coming to the Episcopal

Church, I was serving in a non

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denominational church context.

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And so she and I did

some music there and...

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But we'd always talked about

how we'd enjoy just playing fun

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music out wherever we could.

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And so we, we started doing that more

recently and, even played at a few.

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Church gigs here.

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I, we have there's a tradition here at St.

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Peter's of having a big

Mardi Gras party before Lent.

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And so we we got to provide the

music and entertainment for that.

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And that was a lot of fun.

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So I play guitar and sing.

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She sings and also plays violin.

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And so so we do kind of our own.

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Acoustic kind of folk

Americana covers of songs.

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And we've started writing a couple

of original tunes too, but it's it's

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actually been something that has also

itself has sprung out of a recognition

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that there are things that I need

to do just because they're fun.

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And just because I enjoy them, not because

they have some sort of, you know, ministry

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purpose or value for somebody else.

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It's actually something

that's more for me.

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And so we played it a

few open mic nights here.

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There's one that we have here in old

Ellicott city and then we've played it a

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few in the Baltimore area more broadly.

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And, yeah, hoping to, to play some more.

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We, we, we came up with the band name

finally called ourselves Both And,

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so both and, cause we, we are both

people who really love the, the gray

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of life and the nuance that comes with.

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With life as we live it and

holding together things in tension.

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So, if you want to a book, a acoustic

duo band, you know, let me know, be glad.

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Jon: I didn't know that was going to

be something you'd you'd offer, but I

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would like to to know, and I think our

viewers and listeners would like to,

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gosh, I'd like to know more about this

guy, or I'd like to learn more about St.

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Peter's and Old Ellicott City and so on.

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If that's the case, if someone says,

gosh, I'd like to find out a bit

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more, or I'd like to book his band.

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I've got a gig.

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Coming up what where can,

how can people find you?

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Derek: Yeah.

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So for our, our ministry here at St.

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Peters we're online.

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You can find us there.

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stpetersec.

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org you can search for us

the same handle on Facebook.

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We're not really on Twitter or

what used to be Twitter anymore.

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really bad for someone in my

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I am on Instagram as well.

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So you can find me at Derek

H Miller is my handle.

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B O T H A N D B A N D.

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Ellicott city partnership.

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Please do check out visit OEC.

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com, which is our our Ellicott

City Partnership website.

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And that's, that's the best way where you

can learn about all the amazing things

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that are happening in our community.

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There's an events calendar, there's

ways to get involved in the community.

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It's a really, really great resource.

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Jon: That's great.

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Thanks, Derek.

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We'll make sure to put all those links

in our show notes so people can find

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them easily and connect with you.

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Thank you.

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Lauren: Derek, your joy

is just so infectious.

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I love listening to you.

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So, is there anything else you

want to share with us before we go?

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Or any words of wisdom to help

us figure out how to be joyful?

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Derek: Yeah, I, I would,

I would just encourage us.

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conversation we've been having and

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kind of my articulation and my calling

here, but I would encourage our church

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people in our churches to rediscover

what can happen when we really re

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engage with our literal neighbors.

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our, part of our sacramental tradition

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is that we, we believe that God is

present and, and, and works through.

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Really ordinary stuff, right?

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So God works, God is present and

works through bread and wine.

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And let's be honest, sometimes it's

not even very good wine, right?

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Like, and, and God works

through water and oil.

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our, our, if I could call it

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our sacramental imagination.

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To believe that God might also be present

and at work in the interactions that we

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have every day with our neighbors, in

the relationship that you develop with

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the same person that hands you your

coffee in the morning, with your neighbor

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walking the dog with, in the conflict.

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that exists between you and

that person in your community.

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That God's always present

and always at work.

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us as, you know, as Episcopalians, a

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unique way of expressing that is that we

can actually bear witness to that work.

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attention to that work.

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In our communities, in the very

ordinary stuff of life and that we

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don't have to generate it and we

don't have to kind of make stuff

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happen that we can just join into it.

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that's the case here in our

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community in Old Ellicott City.

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I feel like I have the unique benefit

of just stepping into things that

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have already been in motion and that

are already happening and getting

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to just sort of take my finger and

sort of point to it a little bit or.

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yet, hold it up, right?

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And, and say, look this is something

that God is doing in our midst.

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we going to engage with it?

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How are we going to respond?

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for all of us that we we expand our

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imagination and we get curious about how

that might be the case in our places.

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Jon: Wisdom.

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You know, Derek, I feel so honored

to be with you and so grateful for

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your spending time with us today.

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said has been just great.

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Derek: Thanks.

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Well, I just, I'm excited to be

with two deacons at the same time.

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Like, that's just really fun for me.

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I love, Part of part of my joy right now

is we just welcomed a new intern who's

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in formation for the, for the diaconate.

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And so really excited to to work with

her as well on being able to to help

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us expand and, and deepen and like

grow our diaconia here at, at St.

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Peter's.

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So I'm, I'm hoping that some of that,

like, rubs off on me today, too.

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Jon: Thanks so much.

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Lauren: Thank you, Derek.

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It's been a joy to have you with us.

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And you, you're doing, you're doing great

work, and building the beloved community.

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And I think that's what

you're calling us to.

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So thank you again.

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Derek: My pleasure

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Lauren: jon and I want to thank

all who are watching and listening.

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with us today.

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gift of your time with us today.

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Until next time, peace and blessing.

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