In this powerful episode of Wildly Wealthy Life, Kat and Lee sit down with Hanne Fellers, a passionate advocate against human trafficking and a seasoned leader in philanthropy. Hanne shares her incredible journey, from being adopted as a child to leading efforts in organizations like Zoe International and In-N-Out’s Slave 2 Nothing Foundation. They dive deep into leadership, creativity, and Hanne’s heart for rescuing trafficking victims. Discover the importance of building strong foundations in childhood, how creativity shapes leadership, and the life-changing impact of transforming one life at a time.

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00:00 Introduction to Hanne Fellers: Philanthropist, leader, and human trafficking advocate

01:10 Hanne's passion for helping human trafficking survivors and founding Passport to Freedom

03:45 How growing up adopted shaped her leadership and life mission

09:59 Hanne's views on creativity as a key tool in leadership and societal change

17:52 Her work with In-N-Out Slave to Nothing Foundation and the importance of humility in leadership

19:52 Lessons learned from vetting over 100 nonprofits and working with leaders worldwide

25:06 The importance of focusing on one life at a time in combating human trafficking

43:02 The role of peer-to-peer mentorship in fostering growth in children

47:17 Hanne's personal definition of living a Wildly Wealthy Life

Abolish Slavery

https://abolishslavery.org/

In-N-Out Slave 2 Nothing Foundation

https://www.slave2nothing.org/about

Zoe International - End Human Trafficking

https://gozoe.org/

Salt Exchange

https://www.saltexchange.com/

Human Trafficking Educator

https://www.rachelcthomas.com/

7 Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen Covey

https://www.franklincovey.com/books/the-7-habits-of-highly-effective-people/

Trust and Inspire

https://www.franklincovey.com/books/trust-and-inspire/

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I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing,

you know, one life transformed.

It's like once you see one life going from where it was to then having

full joy and life and as you guys know, at Zoe's, we've seen that you

see that joy coming to their lives.

You see healing, you see just, you know, people that now become

valuable members of society.

And so it's continuing to see.

One person at a time, right?

Because that's the thing with human trafficking.

It's like, you can get so overwhelmed at the statistics and the numbers

and the 50 million people and, you know, all of those types of things.

But then, I think it still comes back to, oh, the one that I helped in

that season, the one that moved from, you know, even if it's just one step

further in their healing process.

Um, I think, yeah, it comes back to the relationships and the one at a time.

Today's guest is Hannah Fellers.

Hannah is an amazing friend of ours, um, who we have been

so inspired by over the years.

Uh, she's Korean Norwegian.

She has traveled to over 25 countries through Impact World Tour.

And when she was, In her travels, she really got exposed to the exploitation

in children and that really impacted her and changed the trajectory of what she

was going to do for the rest of her life.

She has been working with organizations that really help fight human trafficking.

She has her own nonprofit called Passport to Freedom.

And she also worked with Abolish Slavery and Zoe International, and

she also helped to shape In N Out's initiatives to fight trafficking with

their Slave to Nothing Foundation.

She is an incredible powerhouse woman, a mom to two young boys,

and she loves the arts, she loves storytelling, and strategy.

So, I'm sure you're not going to want to miss this episode.

Make sure you stay tuned.

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We're bringing Hana in and before that we'll do a quick recap, babe

How was your episode with Hana today?

Hannah is an amazing woman.

She has a strong love for other people, and I think her upbringing really

helps kind of set the stage for her.

And you can really see how things from your past really are carried through your

entire life, and Will positively affect you as you adapt and grow from them.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think the main takeaway for me from the interview with Hana is how everything

she has done, um, growing up and all the success that she's done in her work and

the impact that she's made on so many people around her and everything that

she will continue to do as a leader has really been founded on a strong foundation

as a child because she was so supported.

She had this background of, you know, being abandoned by her

biological parents and got adopted.

But yet she had this very strong foundation of love and support.

And I think that is why it's so important.

It's so important for us as either caregivers, educators, or parents to

raise kids with such a strong foundation in their identity and in their mindset.

So you're going to want to keep listening to this episode all the way to the end.

Let's go ahead and bring Hana in.

So Hana, when I think about you, I think of someone who has

really amazing leadership skills.

And the reason why I say that is because I think that There's a huge difference

between someone who's an entrepreneur versus someone who's a leader, and I

think that a leader is actually really someone who can sign on people into

their vision and be able to, you know, kind of sacrifice parts of themselves

to be able to support someone's vision.

And so when I look at you and what you've done, you had this vision

of, uh, for Passport to Freedom.

And for putting together like a center in Brazil, and it took you, you know,

years right to put all of this together.

But I've seen you over the years, never waver in that vision.

I've seen you put together events after events to raise that funds

to, you know, actually come to fruition with this vision.

And not everybody can do that, you know, and that's the thing you put it out there.

And you had a way of making people believe in your vision and sign up with you to

make that vision actually come to pass.

So I think it's incredible.

And what I want to ask is, how did you kind of like learn how to become a leader?

Like, what is some of your most favorite leadership values that you feel you really

hold on to and what made you learn that?

I have some

very

good.

Role models.

I think that's, uh, the main thing at an early age.

I had, you know, good leaders around me, people who, you know, were

encouraging, wanted to love on me and wanted to see how they could come

around me to bring out the best in me.

And I think that's what makes a really good leader.

Is loving someone and seeing even like further than that, they, then they

can see for themselves, see potential and call out that potential and give

resources and places to where they can kind of practice and use those giftings.

Right?

And so, yeah, I just grew up with a lot of really great leaders around

me at a young age, as a teenager, had a really great leader around me.

And, uh, when I started traveling with Impact World Tour, that I

traveled with seven years, the founder, his name is Bill Lannerman.

He is just one of the most amazing people that is hardworking,

passionate, and just really knows how to pull out people's giftings.

And so, yeah, just really good people around me.

I think that's the main thing.

When we talk about leadership, um, there's usually different experiences

that kind of get us into that mentality, get us into that position.

What were some of your first experiences with leadership?

I started.

Kind of like a creative arts slash dance program at my church.

I think I was 14 or 15 and it was just one of those things where it was like in

Norway where I'm from, they just didn't really accept dance as a part of like

church or faith or, you know, and so.

My youth pastor leader at the time, he just was like, well, I think that the

Bible talks about dance and I think that, you know, God intended for dance to be

a part of the church and you love it.

And.

You know, you know how to use this to spread a message and to bless others.

So why don't you do that at our church?

And just gave me the space invested in getting like dance

mirrors, uh, for the church.

And then, yeah, that's kind of how I first started leading.

So it was pretty, pretty, uh, when I started to lead.

What were some of the obstacles that you remember at that time

that you had to kind of overcome?

A lot of it was that.

There wasn't a lot of people around me that had gone before me within this yet.

Um, not in where I was from.

So I had to look to other places.

Yeah.

So it was like finding the music even, you know, like Christian music

or whatever it was, it was like.

That was always a challenge, finding the right music, finding people that

can inspire you to create, you know, new dances and then knowing how to lead.

But I was pretty fortunate because I met this, uh, young leader that was

in the capital of Norway that also really believes in me and invested in

me and kind of helped me figure it out.

So.

Even though it was challenging, um, I still had great role models.

And I think that comes back to my first point of leadership.

It's like, I believe in being a leader that can pull out the best in someone.

And inspire them, right?

Not just, you know, say, this is what you need to do.

It's more like, how do I inspire you to do something new that I haven't even done?

That I think that you could do, you know?

Because that's been your experience.

Like people showing you that, hey, you can do, you can do this.

You probably don't know it yet, but you can do this.

And so that's why you lead that way because that's been your experience.

For sure.

Yeah.

Amazing.

And how does creativity kind of contribute to your leadership

skills and how you lead people?

Yeah.

So I think when you think of creating in general and creative people,

I think they're the people who basically run the world and you know,

they're the ones who come up with, you know, what's the next trend?

What's the next thing?

The creatives and unfortunately in, I guess I've learned this more so in America

and, you know, other places too, but often the arts are the ones that are,

you know, Oh, we need to cut the budget.

Let's cut the art piece or the creatives or whatever it is, you

know, but then I think our society is now changing into wait a minute.

The creatives are the ones who set the trends and the lead.

And so, you know, when you think about it, that's how it's been in

history, but it's starting, I think, to be more acknowledged now, how the

creatives are the ones who set kind of the next thing for, for society.

And so, yeah, being creative and, you know, The arts, I think is so important

in any, uh, leadership skills and how you learn how to create new things, right?

Cause if not, you're just doing the same old shmable and people are like,

okay, I seen that in there, done that.

And I know, I know there's the verse that talks about, there's nothing new

under the sun, but at the same time, I'm like, God created us creative people.

Yeah.

And so I think that in every person, there's something creative, and

it's about learning how to pull out those creative, you know, ideas.

And

that was a creative word, shmammal.

I've never heard that before.

Same shmammal.

You're just gonna keep doing the same shmammal.

When we are looking at you, you know, there's excellence, there's consistency,

there's like a grace that you have.

You're For people, for the projects and whatnot that you're working on when

you're working with different, different companies, different organizations

and whatnot, what do you feel are some of the qualities or characteristics

that can help somebody step into some of those leadership positions?

I think the most important piece is humility and just being

able to show that sometimes you're wrong and sometimes things fail.

But then it's how you rise, it's how you move on, that really shows

your character and who you are.

And so I think that's a really important trait in leadership is

being able to be humble and, you know, admit when you're wrong.

And then also, I think it's about having a servant posture.

I've been so fortunate to be around very many leaders who

just model that so greatly.

I was the You know, an organization called Zoe that you guys know

really well for seven years.

And Mike and Carol Hart are just those people.

They just show humility and they serve.

And so it inspires you to want to be like them and to, you know, outdo them in how

you serve and how you, uh, are humble and just, you know, give joy to God, God, give

glory where honor and where praise is due.

Uh, And they're doing amazing work, but they're constantly pointing at other

people to say, Oh, these people do that.

And, you know, these are the people that's doing the important work.

And it just shows that humility, you know, and it's not forced or feels fake.

It's like genuine humility.

And so I think that's what has inspired me the most.

You mentioned a couple times just finding different leaders,

different mentors and whatnot.

Is there an approach that you have to seeking these people out?

Is it just how you carry yourself?

Do you feel like it's Just an alignment where God has put you

to, to be under these people.

Yeah.

Cause I think about it too, Hannah.

It's like, like, you really do have like people who it's almost like you're

always under great, like you're always in great relationship with people, like

there's gotta be, it's almost like, it's like, how did that just come about?

Like, is it, you know, like you just meet like the most amazing people all

the time and it's just incredible.

Yeah, it's totally, I would say again, it's totally God.

But at the same time, I think it's about once you meet someone that shows you those

characteristics, like, you know, humility and leadership and all those things and.

So to me, it's just about being authentic with those people.

And like some people, I just did straight up, like, Hey,

would you spend time with me?

Can I learn from you?

You know, and then that kind of has snowballed into maybe, you

know, work or different things.

And so even with Zoe too, it was just like, you know, we went on a

mission trip and then I was like, Oh my gosh, I see the fruits.

I see, you know, the results.

I see everything that's going on here.

Truly.

The favor of God is upon this organization.

How can I serve?

How can I learn how, how you're doing it?

Why are you doing it?

And all those pieces.

And so I think I just kind of had that spirit of being like, how do I learn?

How do I, how can I grow?

How can I help you?

Um, and I think that comes back to leadership skills of being like,

it's not about yourself, it's about building someone else up.

Yeah.

And then all the other things kind of snowball and happen, you know, it's

taking the focus off of yourself and trying to help someone else, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When it comes to your heart for helping, uh, you know, kids, youth,

or anyone that's being, you know, trafficked, where did that desire

to help, uh, come from in, in that specific, you know, um, group of people?

It was something, you know, like, I think some, some people are

born with like, a justice in them.

Um, but I think there's different pieces that kind of happen that obviously

led me to kind of focus on that.

Um, I just remember being a young kid and always being like, you're

not going to bully my friend.

And, you know, just always was about like, what's right.

How do you treat other people kind of thing.

And then, you know, once I learned and saw, I witnessed, you know,

prostitution essentially in Amsterdam, but then saw and looked into these

women that were working their eyes and just saw the emptiness in them.

And then started learning more about human rights and then, you know,

witnessed it in Brazil and then witnessed it in Thailand and other places.

It's just one of those things I say, like, you can't unsee it.

You can't know about it.

And I think the injustice and how just straight up wrong it is, is what, you

know, fueled this like spark in me, um, to want to do something about it.

And then, yeah, it kind of.

Just naturally failed into a career and you know what I'm doing now and

what's nice is that you've Focused on your your passions or like where you

come alive or helping people rescuing people and then these positions have just

kind of opened up so I was curious like with the transition from Zoe to like in

and out For example, what were some of the driving factors for that decision?

And then how do you think that has really helped accelerate, um, your

leadership, your, your ability to be creative and to impact that

you have on the world around you?

Yeah, the Zoe thing, it was interesting cause I so love, you

know, Zoe and love the leaders.

Um, but I just, I think it was this thing of, I feel like I need to grow

and expand my, what I can learn.

And I felt like I had kind of come to a halt a little bit, where I had worn

so many different hats at ZOE and been involved in so many projects, where

I was like, wait, I need to Kind of get out and learn a little bit more,

which is funny because now I'm kind of communicating a lot with Zoe and probably

likely will, you know, always somehow work with them and always be a huge

champion of them as an organization.

But it was a lot of different factors on top of, uh, my husband going through

some things at the time that kind of led us to need to be out more.

From the city a little bit more.

And so, you know, we realized that we need to be closer to nature and all of

that for healing and for different things.

And so, um, there were a lot of factors there, but I would say a major thing

definitely was that I just wanted to expand, like, how can I keep learning?

How can I keep growing?

And, you know, in and out burgers.

Uh, multi billion dollar company and, uh, you know, they have a reach that's

unreal and so much, you know, people love this company and I still like it.

Love this company.

And, uh, it's just has a great reputation.

And so, yeah, I just felt like it was time to expand and learn something.

And so tell us a little bit about that journey of your work with them,

what you, you know, you did with them and what is your biggest takeaway?

Like what was, you know, what is the thing that you learned from them

that you feel like can really be applied to, you know, the next season?

That's a good question.

So my main job was, I would say to, you know, represent the foundation.

Uh, it's called the Slayton Upping Foundation, the owner, president

of In N Out Burger, Lindsay Snyder, and her husband, Sean Ellingson,

they created this foundation.

So it's not very old.

It's about eight years old now.

And, you know, it was like their vision.

And so I joined them.

And I did a lot of like vetting of nonprofits.

So they would especially give out grants around, you know, 2.

8 million is what we would give out throughout in and out burgers marketplace.

So they're currently in 10 States and growing a nice standing.

And it was my job to travel to the different States and meet with.

Anti trafficking organizations that were working in that marketplace

and then get them and then recommend funding essentially.

So it was.

That's an amazing experience.

I traveled, you know, I with Slate to Nothing, there was like the

anti trafficking side and then there was a substance abuse side.

Um, and when I first came on board, I was kind of the only person that would do the

vetting where I traveled and everything.

So I did overlap with some substance abuse organizations, which was

amazing because I learned so much just about that and that issue as well.

So between like the two causes, I probably did that about a hundred or so nonprofits.

And so when you get to see that many nonprofits and you get to hear, like,

because of, I think, you know, the way of how In N Out Burger has established

itself as a company, so many people want to be involved with the company.

And so, you know, they.

Make sure that the founders are there or the CEOs are there whenever

I would come visit and so I got to meet so many people who just saw a

need in the community and started a nonprofit and would tell me about

their vision and ideas and all of that.

And so.

I learned firsthand from about a hundred founders for CEOs about why

they started, how they're working, what they're doing, what's working,

what's not working, all those pieces.

And I know for sure, all of those lessons, it's what's kind of trailblazed me now

into what I'm doing now with a firm in New York called the Salt Exchange.

And it's essentially.

Multiple philanthropists and foundations, and I'm hoping it

buys them on funding right now.

So, yeah, it's for sure.

Just kind of guided me to the path of, you know, understanding philanthropy,

understanding giving and what's important for donors and for philanthropists in

regards to where they want to give money.

So I, yeah, I learned so, so much during, during the season for sure.

Wow.

Yeah.

You mentioned earlier humility, right?

Something that's very important.

For you, I think, and also what you think is one of the best leadership skills

is to, uh, values is to have humility with all of those 100 nonprofits that

you, you know, met the CEOs, you said you learned, you know, what worked,

what didn't work, why they started it, how are they operating all of that?

Is there one leadership?

value or skill that you feel is the most common out of all of those?

You know, there was such a variety of leaders that were there, but I think

the, the kind of red thread is that again, like I mentioned, they all saw a need.

That they wanted to fulfill however they could and so many people started out

not really knowing what they're doing and some people, you know, then just was

like, oh, I need to go to conferences.

I need to connect with other people.

And, you know, like, I know Zoe because they've been around for

so long, you know, 22, 23 years.

Um, I know they have mentored so many other anti trafficking organizations

because they were kind of early and early organization, whereas, like, I

would say right around, like, 2012 to, like, 2016, there were so many new anti

trafficking organizations that came out.

But by that time, Zoe had already been around for 10 years, you know,

so they were able to like pay it forward and, you know, help Stuart

and teach these other leaders.

Um, so I think again, yeah, it comes back to like, a desire to make a difference.

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Lack of life in people's eyes or whatnot, but has there been a

spark I guess that has helped you just stay passionate throughout all

this because I'm just thinking like, you know, with different things that

we saw in Thailand, and in the work that Zoe does and that people fall

out just because of the weight of the The issues, you know, that are there.

What are some things that have kind of been that spark to keep you, keep you

moving, you know, throughout that fight?

Yeah, no, that's a good question.

I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing, you know, one life

transformed, it's like, once you see.

One life going from where it was to then having full joy and life.

And as you guys know, as Zoe, we've seen that you see that joy coming

to their lives, you see healing, you see just, you know, people that now

become valuable members of society.

And so it's continuing to see one person at a time, right?

Cause that's the thing with human trafficking.

You can get so overwhelmed at the statistics and the numbers and the 50

million people and, you know, all those types of things, but then I think it

still comes back to, oh, the one that I helped in that season, the one that moves

from, you know, even if it's just one step further in their healing process.

I think, yeah, it comes back to the relationships and the one at a time.

Yeah.

Can you share, um, a story that of a transformed life that is your favorite

that you You know, in days where it's hard for you, you hold on to that

story because it's what fires you up.

Yeah, you know, I actually accompanied a survivor, pretty

well known survivor in Los Angeles.

Her name is Rachel Thomas.

I accompanied her to a speaking engagement at an event in

Newport, actually like last week.

And I would say her story is one that I heard kind of early on.

But just being able to have a personal relationship with her, more like a

friendship, like a girlfriend that you see and have lunch with and get

to learn from her and kind of hear her heart, understand what fuels her,

and then also seeing where she's now.

I think I frequently come back to her story because she's just,

she's impacted thousands now.

She has a contract, a prevention contract with.

Um, the state of California, she has her own business where she

has employed over 25 survivors.

She's reaching so many foster care youth and just has, you know, I, she's

prevented probably hundreds of teenagers from going the direction that she went.

And, you know, fell into trafficking and she just, yeah, she's just inspiring,

super humble, so like talented, a strategist, a leader, a spokesperson, and

yeah, just beautiful inside out person.

Wow.

That's amazing.

That's awesome.

I want to go back a little bit too, because you had your start with

dance performance, the creative life that helped get you into some of

these beginning leadership roles.

How has creativity been a tool for you when you're moving in through,

like, I imagine like looking at a lot of spreadsheets and, you know, if

doing evaluations and profit margin loss, uh, reviews and everything else.

All the same.

Yeah, um, I think the creator can, you know, speak to you in such a

different way from like, You know, when I would travel, I would listen

to music that would inspire me.

I would try and surround myself with the arts wherever I could, you

know, go to a show, uh, you know, go to museum, make sure I walk the

streets to, you know, appreciate the architecture and, you know, all of that.

And so I think the arts in general is used to kind of speak and fuel and

refuel you and bring you new ideas and.

It just, it, to me, it often is used, I feel like, by God, to like reaffirm

the direction I'm going or kind of the season that I am, that I'm in,

uh, like throughout my whole life, there's music, especially that's

spoken to me in every, you know, great season and also like difficult

season, and it's just kept me through.

Those hard times, you know, it's like fuels you to keep going and inspired

you to, or inspired me to want to do better and to, you know, create myself.

And so, yeah, the arts is just so essential.

Everything.

Yeah, I want to touch on that a little bit deeper, Hannah, because I, you

know, I love, love, love teaching piano.

And one of the reasons why I love it is because I tell the kids that, you

know, what a gift it is because music is already a gift in and of itself, right?

But what a gift it is to not just be able to listen to music and

connect with music that way, but to actually be able to play the music

that you love to listen to, right?

Like such a gift.

And so, and you know, my students are kids, right?

So like, yeah.

They don't understand that right now, right?

They don't understand that, but me as an adult, when I sit on the piano

and play, I'm like, Man, like, this is just such a, like, I still can't

believe that it's a gift, you know?

It's really, truly amazing.

Why is it so, like, as you said, for you, music is one of those where,

like, it comes to you all the time.

Why music of all things?

I mean, I'm sure you're very artistic.

I know this about you.

You do so many artistic things, but you mentioned music.

So I want to tap into that.

Why music?

I think from a really young age, my parents really loved music and they, uh,

would encourage me to play music and to.

Listen to music.

And then once I kind of became my own person, you know, like

in your teenage years, you kind of break out and everything.

I just, I was always drawn to it.

And it spoke to me, like I said, in so many seasons, I

look back at like my childhood.

It's so funny because now I have, you know, kids on my own.

And so I think about what music should I introduce them to?

And, you know, what were the songs that I listened to?

And.

As I go back and, like, listen to, like, my Norwegian cassette tapes, uh, and hear

the kind of messages that I was listening to, it's so funny because it, I look

back and I'm like, oh, no wonder I felt this way about certain things, and no

wonder I learned about God in this way.

And yeah, so I think just from a really young age, it was like infused

in me that music was a part of life that could speak and could influence.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I think that, um, you know, you can tell a story, right?

Uh, or, or you can, you can tell someone about something, not in a story form,

but just, you know, outright tell them, or you can tell them a story.

And when you tell in a story form, it connects with them.

Because there's something about the functionality of the brain

and how, you know, it's wired.

We love storytelling, but then if you put story into a song, I

think that it even multiplies the connectivity of why we remember things.

I told Lee the other day, I said, you know, the Bible verses that I

remember are the ones that I sang in Sunday school, you know, and to this

day, I still sing these Bible verses.

And I'm like, why do I remember these?

I'm like, it's because it's music.

You know, I don't remember the ones that were spoken to me.

But I remember the ones that were that I would listen to over and

over again and sing, um, but I want to go back into your childhood.

Sorry, babe.

It's, it's like, there's so many questions we want to ask you, Hannah.

Like I told Leah, I was like, Oh my gosh, this conversation, Hannah, it's going

to be hard to keep it 45 minutes and under because there's just so many things

about you that I feel like I want to.

Share with our audience, you know, uh, one of that is the fact that,

you know, you were abandoned as a child and you were adopted.

And, uh, what I want to know is, you know, growing up and knowing

that you were abandoned, what were some of the, um, limiting beliefs

that you had to go through, right?

And had to kind of like put a stop on how obviously you're such an amazing leader.

So how did you grow up with a growth mindset, especially in in your case where,

you know, of course, your parents who adopted you, they're, they're amazing.

They raised you into this beautiful, amazing woman, but

still like being abandoned.

And, you know, all of that has got to have some Sort of impact on you.

And I want to know what that was for you.

Yeah, I think that the hard shifts are the ones that really

define you and make you grow and Um, you know, the joy and all of that

people can relate to, but I think, you know, the hardships is what people

where people really, really connect.

And so I often, you know, get asked, like, how does that feel?

Like, what do you think?

Did you have an age where that was a really hard thing for you?

And.

It's very interesting because I can't remember a season that

was a very long season where I had a difficult time with it.

I was very fortunate to have parents that taught me about God at a really young age.

And the amazing thing about a relationship with God is that, you

know, that you're created for a purpose.

If you have read the words, you know that you're created for a purpose

and that God has a plan for your life and that there is all these.

Different gifts and talents and things that he can help spark in you.

And my parents were really good, like really, really good at fueling

that in me and speaking that over me.

And so I don't like, you know, how like.

Some kids, they're like, Oh, I didn't know I was adopted until I was like 12.

My mom told me, you know, things like that.

And for me, it was a thing that I always knew.

Like, I can't, I can't remember a time not knowing.

And obviously like being in Norway and being Asian, I can look in

the mirror and be like, okay, that's not my mom and dad, but.

It was just like a thing that I always knew and I think, you

know, everything in your childhood really has an impact on you.

And I think because I was so fortunate, I like credit this back to like my friends

and the people that I were was around.

Is that they always just saw me as me and not as something super different,

you know, there, there will always be those kids that would be like bullies

and say, oh, Asian yellow rice, you know, whatever things that they're going to say.

But the people who I knew really loved me and that were in my corner

just always had my back and always, um, you know, loved me for me.

And so I just grew up in a very, very supportive community.

And so I think all of that, um, really helped me be able to

be like, okay, I can do this.

I can.

You know, go for my dreams.

I know again, God created me for a purpose.

There's something I can do for him.

And I think as you learn and grow and learn about God, you realize that it's

about God and it's about loving people.

And so how can I do that better?

How can I, you know, and once you love people, truly love them.

They see it and they acknowledge it and there's fruit, you know, however

that happens in leadership or in friendship or family, you know.

Yeah.

And it's about rice, okay?

Rice is life.

I don't know why people would hate on rice, okay?

Why would people hate on rice?

It's always about rice.

Got to memorize, and noodles.

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With the people that you impact through the work that you do and the

people that you deal with They're you know in people just in regular life, you know,

sometimes they don't have the best support

We've seen people come through You different situations.

They find God, they find that support, they find that peace.

But for those that maybe haven't quite connected with either God

or a level of support in their own circle, would you have any advice

in how, how to approach that?

Because you had mentioned something earlier where you, you know, you saw

something in somebody, you saw a quality that you liked, that you wanted to attach

to, and then you just went after it.

Like you just said, hey.

Um, what, what kind of advice would you give to somebody who maybe Hasn't

found that courage, doesn't have the support, and maybe is like fearful of

taking that next step, what will be some things that you might recommend for them?

I think, again, it's about people, and so trying to find the right people

that you see isn't just about themselves.

That is willing to invest something in you and then, you know, there's different

things that you get from different people.

Some people, you get friendships, some people, you get business leadership,

you know, all these different things.

And so I think it's like.

Obviously, we always want to keep our circles a certain size because you

can't connect with everybody, but I am a firm believer that you can learn

something from pretty much anyone.

So then wherever there's some kind of response back, or like, if you get

like someone that says, Oh, yeah, I'm willing to meet with you, say yes.

Like, go an extra mile, uh, be, try and be bold, like, like I said, so much of

it has come from me saying to someone like, you know, Mike and Carol Hart, like,

I'm so inspired by what you're doing.

How can I learn?

And then that turned into a career for seven years, you know, um, so I think

it's continuing to like, look for the open spaces where there's like some

kind of give or pull that you can, you know, attach to, um, and then kind of

being, feeling free to flow in all that.

And.

Knowing that you're not going to learn everything from one person,

but there's something new to learn from a bunch of different people.

But yeah, it's just anywhere where there's some kind of.

Invitation, take the invitation, uh, if you're afraid to, you know, ask, um,

I would say, try and be around people that are into whatever you're into,

you know, if you're a musician, like, try to find a community or, you know,

somewhere in the city where people meet and talk about music or do gatherings

and, you know, Open mics or whatever it might be and just like be in that space

and let things kind of flow naturally.

And if there's one person that talks to you, keep talking,

keep, keep that conversation.

So yeah, like, like looking for little windows in of invitation, I would say.

Yeah.

And I think with the, the world that we have right now, like the accessibility

to people is so huge through social media, through social groups.

Discord channels.

Uh, it is true.

What you're saying is like, you know, you have to find common ground.

And sometimes in that, that space of, if you're an artist, you're in with other

people who paint and draw and whatnot.

If you're building models, if you're an athlete, if you're business into the

finances, the finding those, Those, those groupings, um, the schools of thought

and being able to just connect and build your confidence and then grow from there.

Um, it's a good, good point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everywhere you go, people are looking for someone to encourage them.

You know, doesn't matter if you're the most famous person in the world.

They're still looking to be approved by someone who could speak into their lives.

And, you know, they're still human and looking for a connection.

And so it's like, how can I bless you?

How can I serve you?

You know, I love, you know, going out with people that I know are like

billionaires and just like secretly paying for everything, like the meal

or whatever it might be, you know, where it's like, They're so used to,

because they, everyone knows that they're billionaires, that they're just

used to, Oh, I'm going to pay for it.

You know, it's like a given type thing, but it's like, so fun and

so different to go against and just be like, Oh, no, you're not

paying, you know, I'm paying for it.

Or, you know, someone that's, everything's usually taken care of for them and they.

Express certain things, like doing something completely

different to try and bless them.

Uh, you know, I think so many of my relationships and different things had

come from just, How can I bless you?

How can I serve you?

And kind of try and outdo them in how to serve and bless, you know, people.

And I think, you know, people are looking for that.

People are drawn to that.

Yeah.

What I feel like what I'm really getting here, Hannah, from you today

is where you are right now really started from your childhood, right?

Like, having a goal.

Good foundation, having parents that loved you, right, love you and

parents and mentors that that believed in you and challenge you and how

important that is in a child's life.

And unfortunately, not every child gets to have that right.

What would you say to educators or caregivers or parents that are

struggling with giving that kind of support to their children, like

what would your advice be to them?

Yeah, I think peer to peer is something so powerful and unique.

And a lot of the times there's just not a window for a parent figure to

influence in the way that Lily has impact.

So I, I always say, like, try and find, like, is your

child plays the piano, right?

And then goes through a dry spell of like, I don't want to touch

the piano, but you know that they have, like, amazing potential.

I try and find a peer that's like, maybe, you know, five years older that

has gone through those loops and, you know, those valleys and try and get to

that person to talk to your child, you know, it's just so different coming from.

Someone that you see more as a peer and someone that can inspire you,

because unfortunately, parents will always kind of have that parental lens

that is good and bad, you know, so I say to parents who feel like, oh, I

can't influence how I want to, like, Use someone else to influence, like,

ask someone else to help inspire them.

And then, you know, so you can cultivate, as a parent, you can help

cultivate that and give room for that.

And that might be like, even needing to pay someone to do that, you know,

so it's like investing and also like, Driving them places, then, you know,

helping facilitate that, but I think that's what I feel like I've seen the

most result is from, like, peer to peer.

That's been there and gone through similar things and kind

of come out the other side.

I think that would be my.

My best advice.

Wow.

That is very encouraging to me, Hannah, because one of the reasons why we're

kind of bringing back the show, we had this back in 2020, but we're kind of

bringing it back, is for me the thought of exploring leadership, but how, and

growth mindset and how important it is to develop in young kids, you know,

like, like as early as, possible.

You know, five year olds, four year olds, right?

It's just so important.

There's a way to teach them that, and that encourages me because I do

believe that, and sometimes I have this imposter syndrome because I'm like,

well, I'm not a mom, you know, like how can I, you know, teach these kids?

But I have to always remind myself that, well, you're not a mom, but you also have

a different perspective and you could step in as a mentor, as a life coach,

because Kids sometimes don't want to listen to their parents, but they will

listen to a mentor or a life coach, you know, and so it's really encouraging

that you say that, because as kids, I don't think we realize that, that

our brains just keep talking, that our minds just keep talking, you know, and

then we get into adults and no wonder there's so many life coaching for adults.

And it's like, well, if we just coach the kids, they probably, you know, we would

still would need it because it's always, you know, an evolving process, but we, I

feel like we would be in a better mental space and emotional space if we actually.

You know, teach that to kids at an early age.

So that's really encouraging.

So Hannah, you have lived such an amazing life, like, and it's just going to keep

going with your impact and, and what you do because of your heart, you love

serving people, you know, and you have the humility to, to go and, and, and do it.

What do you.

Think it's your own definition of a wildly wealthy life.

Oh, that's good.

I think it comes back to what I talked about earlier and

loving God and loving people.

And, uh, you know, wealth is such an interesting word to say.

It often is.

I think, you know, people think of.

More and bigger and better kind of thing.

But I think a wealthy life, it's a life that's fulfilled.

You feel fulfilled in what you're doing.

So it doesn't have to be, you know, making millions or having this, you

know, million impact on people or thousands of followers or whatever.

Uh, society often says wealth is.

I think it's again coming back to living out your passion and

feeling like you're contributing.

And I always come back to saying, like, if you can influence the life.

That's the most important thing.

Like, how can you encourage the person in front of you to see the potential

and their lives to invest in their life, to, um, you know, speak life into

them, encourage them, and then see even further, maybe for them that then they

can see for themselves at the time.

Um, and I think, yeah, that's a wealthier life is being able to

influence people one person at a time.

And, uh, feelings are filled.

Yeah.

Awesome.

I love it.

So, noodles or rice?

Oh, noodles.

Rice noodles

is like my thing.

So, it's kind of both, because it's rice noodles, specifically.

I do love Japchae, which is like, You know, it's like a sweet potato noodle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh my gosh.

So good.

Yes,

so good.

Oh, well Hannah, thank you so much for spending time with us.

We just really enjoyed talking to you.

Yeah,

this is fun.

It's funny, like the last, while a few people have kind of asked and

you know about like, do you wanna come and be a part of our podcast?

And I actually turned a few down and then.

When I saw you guys were focused on leadership, I was like, I really want

to make time because I think it's such a intriguing thing to talk about.

And it's something where I want to keep growing.

And, um, I feel like I've been in a season of really trying to learn and

discover what is important in leadership.

So it was just.

super fun to be a part of it.

So Yeah.

Same here.

And you shared a lot of really awesome stuff and it's really exciting.

I'm excited to share the episode.

I've been reading a lot of like the John Maxwell books cause he's written just so

many, you know, and every time I read a chapter, I'm just like, Oh my gosh, wow.

I have so much more to learn.

You know, Have you read, uh, Covey's books?

I haven't read, uh, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

I read that a long time ago, but it's been a long time and I feel like, you know,

when you read a book at different seasons in your life, you learn something new.

So I haven't read any of his books lately or even some of

his old books lately, but yeah.

I highly recommend, he has one called Trust and Inspire.

It came out in 2022.

And it just, to me, it felt like it reaffirmed so much of like what I talked

about with Carol and Zoe and like.

The inspirational leadership to inspire someone to move into leadership and to

inspire someone and pull out the giftings in, in them and, you know, all of that.

So highly recommend that one.

Thank you.

I

will put,

I will add that to my book list.

Awesome.

Well, thank you, Hana.

I appreciate you.

Yeah.

Love you guys.

They love you too.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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