Shownotes
In Season 11, Episode 19, we travel with the boys to Gunnison, Colorado, in The Chitters. We also get to meet Cesar and Jesse, who deserve their own spin-off reboot. Get on that Chaos Machine! Liz gives talks about the lore behind the bisan (bisaan), a Malaysian tree spirit/deity who can turn into a cicada. Also how do you say cicada?
Research Links
- Notes and News A. S. Gatschet, H. Ten Kate, Isham G. Allen, W. W. Newell American Anthropologist, Vol. 7, No. 2 (Apr., 1894), pp. 215-225 (11 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/658547 Contribution from Wiley
- Meeker Massacre - Wikipedia
- gunison history Gunnison County, Colorado Genealogy and History - presented by Genealogy Trails History Group
- Haunted Places in Gunnison, Colorado
- Columbine Victorian Hotel | Haunted Places | Gunnison, CO
- Gunnison, Colorado - Wikipedia
- Bisan | Offbeat Folklore Wiki | Fandom
- Bisan - Wikipedia
Transcripts
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we learn, always double tap your.
Speaker B:Eggs and hold the oregano.
Speaker B:Let's do.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about season 11, episode 19, the Chitters.
Speaker B:The Chitters.
Speaker A:And I'm very upset.
Speaker A:I had a shirt with my cicada on it.
Speaker A:We're gonna have to also determine if we're gonna say cicada or cicada, but.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Cicada.
Speaker B:Cicada.
Speaker A:Cicada.
Speaker A:Cicada.
Speaker A:So I had my favorite.
Speaker A:One of my favorite shirts that says live, live fast, die loud, leave a beautiful exoskeleton, and has a cicada on it.
Speaker A:Cicada, whatever.
Speaker A:And I was.
Speaker A:I did all my laundry because I knew I wore it last week, and I was like, okay, I'll just do laundry.
Speaker A:And then it wasn't there.
Speaker A:And then I realized that it was the bot hamper, like, that I missed.
Speaker A:And I used it when I was wearing it when I was watering dirt.
Speaker A:So it was completely covered in dirt.
Speaker B:And there.
Speaker A:Even though you can't smell through a podcast, you could see this.
Speaker A:Possibly, possibly could have seen the shirt was covered in dirt.
Speaker B:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:And sometimes you just don't feel like putting on a dirty shirt.
Speaker A:No, no, it wasn't.
Speaker A:I just got out of the shower and didn't really want to put on like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Even if it would have been great.
Speaker A:So beyond, you know, so I would say what I've been up to.
Speaker A:So we'll just.
Speaker A:Yeah, go right into that.
Speaker B:Go for it.
Speaker A:And so besides dirty shirts, it last week was the Texas Spirit Gathering here in San Antonio put on by the Austin seance.
Speaker A:And it was a good time.
Speaker A:There could have been, I think, greater attendance.
Speaker A:I think maybe something else was good.
Speaker A:There were a lot of things that were going on on Saturday, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:But it was still really.
Speaker A:It was really good.
Speaker A:It was a villa finale, which is a historical house in the King Williams district.
Speaker A:Of course, at once upon a time, it was a brothel.
Speaker A:And because that's, you know, all the.
Speaker A:The coolest houses were.
Speaker A:And we were talking about that, like, does it make.
Speaker A:Why does it seem like brothels are always haunted?
Speaker A:And I think it's just because it's more an interesting fact of the building.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, those are things that you're going to remember about buildings.
Speaker A:Not typically.
Speaker A:Like, it was a dentist office.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:If that's not something that's Going to spark the interest.
Speaker A:But, like, places like Villa Finale.
Speaker A:I will tell you, that's the first fact that comes out of my mouth is that at one point in time, this was a whorehouse.
Speaker A:And what was really funny is we were downstairs.
Speaker A:I was downstairs with some friends, and we were doing some EVP recordings, and I had told them about the house, you know, like, and the.
Speaker A:That fact.
Speaker A:And the people who.
Speaker B:From.
Speaker A:I think san.
Speaker A:They're from San Antonio, and I think they're called Ghost Seekers.
Speaker A:I think that is your.
Speaker A:Your team's name who was leading the.
Speaker A:The recordings downstairs.
Speaker A:They started telling the story of the building and brought up the fact that it, you know, that the downstairs was a bootlegging place during prohibition, and the upstairs used to be a brothel.
Speaker A:And then all my friends, like, looked at me, like, very Just like, hardcore looked at me, and I was like, guys, when you do that, it looks like I'm a sex worker.
Speaker A:Not like, I know that this is like, that is not.
Speaker A:It was like, that's.
Speaker A:So can we not do that next time?
Speaker A:So anyway, so we did some EVP recordings in the basement, and then there was an investigation on the first and the second floor of.
Speaker A:Of the place, which is a museum.
Speaker A:And the last owner of the place really likes Napoleon and has hundreds of pieces of Napoleon through there.
Speaker A:And so the house is stuffed full of.
Speaker A:And you can't touch anything, and it makes it really hard to do anything.
Speaker A:So fun place to investigate also, you know, with a crowd of people.
Speaker A:Not always my favorite, not always a good time.
Speaker A:But it was so cool to be able to go see some things upstairs.
Speaker A:And we do think we heard a weird whistle that nobody.
Speaker A:Nobody did.
Speaker A:Was like.
Speaker A:Like, there was a.
Speaker A:And I was like, what the.
Speaker A:Did you.
Speaker A:No, I didn't.
Speaker A:So that did.
Speaker A:We did hear that.
Speaker A:So maybe that happened.
Speaker A:But beyond that, there were really great lectures.
Speaker A:Austin Seance.
Speaker A:They did a lecture on table tipping, table turning, which is, you know, the.
Speaker A:One of the older psychic methods, I guess, for the basics of it.
Speaker A:I would say it's like light as a feather, stiff as a board on top of a table, right?
Speaker A:That if you get enough people.
Speaker A:Your hands touching around a table, eventually the table will start to move in different directions, right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And you can do it with any table.
Speaker A:So you and your family could sit down for Thanksgiving dinner and all sit with your hands around the table and just have them touching.
Speaker A:And eventually the table would start to rock back and forth.
Speaker A: ething that people did in the: Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And it also became associated with, with, with psychic mediums and things like that because you could use it to say, you know, if you're a spirit, you know, turn the table this way or you make the table knock twice or you could do the Alphabet with it.
Speaker A:You know, all sorts of things.
Speaker A:You know that.
Speaker A:But it was a really great lecture.
Speaker A:And Dr. Laycock, who wrote the Penguin Book of Exorcisms and just came out with the Penguin Book of Cults did a lecture on Marian apparitions.
Speaker A:That was really cool.
Speaker A:Then Dr. Melton, who is one of the world's leading exper on Dracula and looks like he should be a leading ex.
Speaker A:Like he looks like he is the.
Speaker A:In the movie when you have to go find the professor to like tell you the, the story and like how to like kill the monster.
Speaker A:He looks like that professor and he owns that like thousands of copies of Dracula in different languages and editions and translations.
Speaker A:And he was talking about just the journey of the book from the Byron Shelley meeting with her, with his drug dealer dude boyfriend, I can't remember his name, starts with the P. The one who wrote the original vampire story that then went to Bram Stoker's.
Speaker A:But basically the pathway of that into how we got into the Draculas of today, it was really, really great.
Speaker A:And he was fascinating.
Speaker A:And then Brandon Hodged it, who is the, the pet mysterious planchette dude.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:He owns like all the Ouija's and all the planchets.
Speaker A:But he also owns some magic lantern and I think that's Spiritualists would love it.
Speaker A:I just call it, you know, magic lantern.
Speaker A:But we were.
Speaker A:He did a lecture on spirit photography and had some glass slides of some of the original spirit for your spirit photographs of like these were the mediums and.
Speaker A:And I found out he.
Speaker A:He found a lot of them in Lilydale and I was like, oh.
Speaker A:And then, and then I got to.
Speaker A:About the library to him and that was fun.
Speaker A:So yeah, that was.
Speaker A:That happened this weekend.
Speaker A:It happens once a year.
Speaker A:They had like.
Speaker A:And there were vendors there.
Speaker A:It was a good time.
Speaker A:There was a taco truck.
Speaker A:So everything is better with the taco truck.
Speaker B:Everything's better with a taco truck is true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And what have you been up to?
Speaker B:Oh man.
Speaker B:We went and caught a couple of bands.
Speaker B:I went and saw the West Texas Exiles and at one venue and then went and saw Lydia Loveless and J. Isaiah Evans and the Boss Tweed.
Speaker B:And then that was fun.
Speaker B:And then we did some.
Speaker B:We had some family stuff and then car club stuff as we are prepping for annual invasion car show.
Speaker B:That's been a lot of my time.
Speaker B:A lot of my time.
Speaker B:Invasioncarshow.com on October.
Speaker B:October 25th in Deep Ellum, Texas.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:It's free for spectators if you walk around Dallas, pop on down Deep Ellum, go look a bunch of hot rods all day on Saturday.
Speaker B:That's about.
Speaker B:That's my excitement, my little world.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're just getting through that.
Speaker B:I was getting through it.
Speaker B:We enjoy it.
Speaker B:It's just a lot of prep work.
Speaker B:And then it will be here and then.
Speaker B:Then it'll be over.
Speaker B:It'll be Halloween time.
Speaker A:It'll be.
Speaker A:And then it'll be time to plan the next one.
Speaker A:All right, so, yeah.
Speaker A:And I don't think anything new is going on in SVN land.
Speaker A:I think everything is.
Speaker A:All projects are still in development.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think they're still pushing to try to save Countdown, but that's about all I've seen.
Speaker B:I. I would.
Speaker B:I'm not optimistic.
Speaker B:I'm seeing social media push for that, but that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, y' all shouldn't.
Speaker A:Y' all savior pushed for something else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Jensen's got other things.
Speaker A:He looks.
Speaker A:He's better a soldier boy than that.
Speaker A:And like, oh, I guess.
Speaker A:Okay, something did happen.
Speaker A:Tracker premiered and Jensen was in the premiere.
Speaker A:The season three premiere of Tracker.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So something did happen in their land.
Speaker A:And I still have it caught up on Tracker.
Speaker A:Maybe I'll do that next, but maybe I will.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:But let's talk about.
Speaker A:Let's go back in time and talk about this episode, the Chitters.
Speaker A:And this is season 11, episode 19.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:This is pretty cool.
Speaker A:This was directed by Eduardo Sanchez.
Speaker A: o directed and co written the: Speaker A:Oh, so that explains, I think, a lot of things like in this episode kind of sort of the, you know, some of the visuals.
Speaker A:And just if once you say that, you think about, like, what you like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, you can see that within some of the directions.
Speaker A:So it was written by Nancy1, and we love her this season.
Speaker A:She did then Lizzie.
Speaker A:And don't you forget about me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: s in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we got two brothers walking through the woods, and they are Going fishing.
Speaker B:And we learned their name.
Speaker B:The older brother is Maddie and the younger brother is Jesse.
Speaker B:And Jesse is very as a young as a.
Speaker B:Is what they imply.
Speaker A:He's 13.
Speaker B:Okay, I missed this exact age, but 13.
Speaker A:He's either.
Speaker A:He's either 12 or he's 13.
Speaker A:He says it later in the episode.
Speaker B:Oh, that's right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:He said 12.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:He says he was 12.
Speaker B:So at this point, we weren't exactly sure, but he's very self aware and has.
Speaker B:And has is very open that he kissed his crush, who is a boy.
Speaker B:And his big brother Maddie is like, be careful.
Speaker B:This is a small town.
Speaker B:But don't worry, we're gonna save up money and we're gonna run away to Cal.
Speaker B:So I'm selling my coin collection.
Speaker A:We are going to get out of here.
Speaker A:Like so many people in small towns do.
Speaker A:Like, once we turn 18, we're going to get out of here.
Speaker A:And Jesse is, like, also kind of fascinated with his brother's coin and wants to look at it.
Speaker A:And so we all get a pretty good visual of what this coin looks like.
Speaker A:And then Jesse goes off to pee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I mean, out in the woods.
Speaker B:And he hears a noise.
Speaker B:And he calls out for his brother, Maddie, but all he hears in response is Maddie Y.
Speaker B:And sees him being dragged into the woods by something.
Speaker B:And he is trying to chase after it but can't get to him.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And we, you know, we hear some heavy breathing and he can see something we can't.
Speaker A:And then it just goes to the title screen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Super creepy.
Speaker B:I didn't like it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker A:So I. Bunker.
Speaker A:Yeah, we go to the bunker where once again, Baby has been parked outside.
Speaker A:You have the entire garage to put her inside you.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so we have established by that shot that we are at the bunker and Baby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean is sitting there researching.
Speaker B:And Sam's like calling out that he's just been sitting on his ass researching for a very long time.
Speaker B:At this point, I think they said sitting is the new smoking was their comment.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It was a weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this was the time when standing desks were starting become a thing.
Speaker A:And we were all, like, getting concerned about sitting too long at our corporate desk jobs.
Speaker A:Aha.
Speaker A:You leave those.
Speaker A:You don't have to worry about that.
Speaker A:And then you still end up sitting at your desk all day anyhow, so Dean, though, is really concerned that Amara has Cass and is kind of the way he is looking at Cass.
Speaker A:And It's.
Speaker A:I don't know how I feel about it.
Speaker A:Because he's saying that.
Speaker A:Because Cass is not one of the big players.
Speaker A:He's just a run of the mill angel.
Speaker A:Amara won't give a.
Speaker A:If she hurts him while he, Lucifer is in inside him.
Speaker A:And you know, he's just killed.
Speaker B:He's going to be disposable.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker B:Disposable.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:And it's just the idea, like, is Cass disposable?
Speaker A:I mean, he's been God.
Speaker A:I mean, isn't he one of the big players now?
Speaker A:I would consider Cat, like, I don't know, in the universe of things.
Speaker A:I would put him up there.
Speaker B:But I mean, Heaven would consider him something like kind of a big deal.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So they talk about that.
Speaker A:Anyways, I just.
Speaker A:I had some issues with him saying that he was so insignificant and I guess maybe in.
Speaker A:Maybe in the Amara scheme of things, but I don't know.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so that.
Speaker A:That just kind of bugged me.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is a good.
Speaker B:That's a good point.
Speaker B:And that is kind of odd.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, don't worry, it's been a tough week, but because of karma, we'll get cast back.
Speaker B:Basically, what he says, it's kind of.
Speaker B:It's just kind of a odd, like, okay, Mr.
Speaker B:Positive now, I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, also, we've got a case.
Speaker B:Let's go look for Libby, who went missing near Gunnison, Colorado.
Speaker B:She got carried off by a moon creature with green eyes.
Speaker B:Sounds like.
Speaker B:Sounds like a them thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But they think that it's a demon.
Speaker A:And I'm like, how many green eyed demons have you seen?
Speaker B:I know that's new.
Speaker B:That'd be new.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so they're gonna go check it out.
Speaker B:And they arrive in town and go to the municipal building, where we meet Sheriff Tyson, who has very pretty eyes.
Speaker B:And she explains there have been.
Speaker B:There are now six people that have gone missing in the town in the last 48 hours.
Speaker B:I think that would be quite alarming.
Speaker B:She seems concerned, but I wouldn't use the word alarmed.
Speaker A:The whole town just seems okay with the fact that an alarming number of people.
Speaker A:And we'll get to how big this town is in a minute.
Speaker A:But that's a.
Speaker A:A chunk of your population.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, it wasn't.
Speaker B:Well, technically, Libby wasn't from their population because she's from Tucson.
Speaker B:They're on vacation.
Speaker B:The rest are all locals, though.
Speaker B:That's Five.
Speaker B:And the only lead they have is Libby's friend.
Speaker B:And they were on the last leg of their cannabis tasting tour.
Speaker A:I was like, so.
Speaker A:I mean, those.
Speaker A:Those are a thing.
Speaker A:Like, where.
Speaker A:Where would find said.
Speaker A:Said thing?
Speaker A:Just asking for a friend.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And so they're implying that she's not a very reliable witness.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, has anything like this ever happened before here?
Speaker B:And the Sheriff's like, well, 27 years ago, we had 12 people go missing.
Speaker B:And 27 years before that, where it's eight witnesses missing, and it was always the same time of year.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That seems suspicious.
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker A:Why is this, like, why are we not more concerned about this?
Speaker B:But it's a transient town, and it's like, there's some old timers, of course, but there's theories.
Speaker B:But really, a lot of times people just, like, leave small towns.
Speaker B:That's the hot take.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then she also says this town has only been there since the 50s, and it was virgin forest before then.
Speaker A:So I. I could.
Speaker A:We're gonna vehemently disagree with that because you put it in a place that actually exists.
Speaker A:So we're gonna do a new segment of a show that I'm calling Where in the World Are Sam and Dean Winchester?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And we're gonna talk.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:Just give you briefly some facts about Gunnison, Colorado.
Speaker A:So she was slightly off about how long it's been there.
Speaker A:As I said, it's real.
Speaker A:It's in western Colorado.
Speaker A:The name Gunnison, that comes from the Gunnison Valley, from the explorer Captain John W. Gunnison, who had been tasked with finding a way across the Rockies for the railroad.
Speaker A: He found the Valley in: Speaker A: So maybe she meant the: Speaker A:And he is said to have stayed there probably a whole three days.
Speaker A:Also before that, it was a summer hunting ground for bands of the Ute people, who are believed to inhabited the area since the 16th century.
Speaker A: d in the American west in the: Speaker A: gold was found in Gunnison in: Speaker A: ing built until the treaty of: Speaker A: r ore in the elk Mountains in: Speaker A:So more people start coming for that, and more discoveries of gold and silver spurred additional mining.
Speaker A:Then there was a major conflict between the Utes and their Indian agent.
Speaker A: And then US troops in: Speaker A:And when that happened, the town really opened up to settlers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A: y is founded in the spring of: Speaker A:So that's their official legal time they're found.
Speaker A:Then the railroad also comes to town, which then brings more of a population there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The mining was.
Speaker A:Was pretty popular, including coal mining.
Speaker A: re in Crested butte closed in: Speaker A:In addition to the mining, though, this also became a cattle town because nothing could grow there.
Speaker A:And ranching eventually became one of the top area industry.
Speaker A:So this is a small town, though.
Speaker A: as of the: Speaker A:So if.
Speaker A:Okay, I would say if 12 people out of 6,560 people went missing, everybody in town would know and probably be concerned.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:As an extra little bonus for this segment, I will say a couple of the haunted places in town that Sam and Dean could check out while they're there.
Speaker A:So they could be, if they wanted to, they could stay at the Columbine Victoria Hotel, Victorian Hotel, which is a hotel that was built in the 20th century and served as quarters for railroad executives.
Speaker A:Apparently, in room number nine, someone took their life.
Speaker A:And guests have reported knockings on that door only to find the hallway empty.
Speaker A:People have also seen the apparition of a woman in room 14.
Speaker A:It is thought she was a murdered sex worker from the hotel's time as a brothel.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because that makes a haunted house more interesting.
Speaker A:Also, there is supposed to be a haunting at Western State College at their Robodeaux hall, where a man apparently died of smoke inhalation during a fire.
Speaker A:Students have seen his apparition at the side of their bed at night and have found the doors locked from the outside, strapping them in the way the ghost was trapped during the fire.
Speaker B:So those are not.
Speaker A:I think Sam and Dean may need to go check that out while they're in town.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:So that is Gunnison, Colorado.
Speaker B:Okay, well.
Speaker B:Yeehaw.
Speaker B:Well, from there, our sheriff is unconcerned about the history because it just is not on.
Speaker B:She just needs to focus on the current missing.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean you can go look at and talk to whoever the you want, basically what she says.
Speaker B:And so Sam's like, okay, I'm gonna go do research on the past disapp is and Dean is going to go talk to quote Ganja girl.
Speaker B:But so we talked.
Speaker B:We this.
Speaker B:We find out her name is Corey and she insists that she was not hallucinating.
Speaker B:She said the thing that took Libby was pale and naked with eyes that flashed green with no hair.
Speaker B:It shaped like a man or a woman maybe, but either way, it was junkless.
Speaker B:Junkless.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And so she wanted.
Speaker B:She made a sound that was kind of like a shivering sound.
Speaker B:And when she found Libby standing there, she was shaking.
Speaker B:And when she looked at Corey, her eyes flashed green and her body was like buzzing.
Speaker B:That was a sound.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she also like, hissed at her, Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean leaves and calls.
Speaker B:Is talking to Sam about junkless creatures.
Speaker B:And Sam is very unimpressed with this being what they're talking about.
Speaker B:But he's also coming up empty.
Speaker B:He found this.
Speaker B:The previous sheriff.
Speaker B:Sheriff Cochrane's notes.
Speaker B:But apparently he was like, really doing well.
Speaker B:Like, trying to.
Speaker A:Like you're not skipping the part about Sam smoking weed.
Speaker A:I cannot believe you just skipped over that.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker B:No, we're gonna back up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Diana doesn't think this is funny and I think it's hilarious.
Speaker A:So Dean gives Sam about this because.
Speaker A:Well, Dean is like, I don't think weed alone will make Corey see what she did.
Speaker A:And he's right, mother.
Speaker A:You know, like reefer madness.
Speaker A:Like, you do not hallucinate green eyed monsters.
Speaker A:Unless if you are fighting weed that does that.
Speaker A:Please tell me where you're fighting that.
Speaker A:But he then he gives Sam for smoking weed.
Speaker A:And we found out.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I'm just saying this.
Speaker A:It'll probably come up on a.
Speaker A:On a quiz one day.
Speaker A:Diana.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure it will.
Speaker A:But Sam was in college and he smoked weed.
Speaker A:And it was probably oregano.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker A:You know, Dean.
Speaker A:So based.
Speaker A:Based on this, it seems weird.
Speaker A:I feel like Dean would have smoked weed at some point.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would have.
Speaker B:Until this.
Speaker B:And that made me think about that.
Speaker B:And it totally makes sense that Dean wouldn't.
Speaker B:Because he just drinks beer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, you can get.
Speaker B:Because he's a little like military copy vibes by not.
Speaker B:But you know what I mean?
Speaker B:See?
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:See, like he's a bad boy though.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And like bad boys can kind of go either way.
Speaker A:But I do think he kind of goes into the.
Speaker A:I don't do that, but you know that type of macho ness.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker A:And we just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, we all know Jared Padalecki smoked weed and also Sam Winchester.
Speaker A:And I'm just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyhow.
Speaker A:So all right.
Speaker A:So all right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The weed.
Speaker A:The weed jokes all aside.
Speaker A:So Sam, you're right.
Speaker A:He didn't Find anything.
Speaker A: he sheriff that was around in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he was.
Speaker B:Seemed to have made, like, some progress, but then his notes just stop.
Speaker B:And then a few months later, the sheriff resigned and then left town.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he is like.
Speaker B: o, most of the witnesses from: Speaker B:So they're gonna go see Etta and.
Speaker B: the ones that disappeared in: Speaker B:And she is pissed because apparently he was seen cheating.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, wait, like, witnessed in the act?
Speaker A:And she's like, yes, he was seen banging two different women in public.
Speaker A:And that is quite.
Speaker B:So she's convinced that.
Speaker B:And both of them are also.
Speaker B:Also went missing.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:She's just sure that he ran off with one of them.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, you reported him missing in there.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:She's like, yeah, that was before I knew about the women.
Speaker B:He had been gone for three days.
Speaker B:I didn't know if he was dead in the ditch.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, I reported missing.
Speaker B:And then I find out about all these other women.
Speaker B:So Sam then observes that the room smells like sage.
Speaker A:White sage.
Speaker B:White sage.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It smells like a western.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, and you've got suitcases packed.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What's going on?
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, I'm gonna go stay with my sister for a few weeks.
Speaker B:And the sage is.
Speaker B:Because that helps, like, keep things away that are bad.
Speaker B:Because it's.
Speaker B:It's gonna think I'm crazy, But when my.
Speaker B:When Pete went missing and I found out about these women, my grandma said that they got the chitter, so.
Speaker A:But these chitters is.
Speaker A:Once around the spring equinox, people in the town go nuts.
Speaker A:They have orgies.
Speaker A:They do it in the woods, and then they disappear.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:And never heard from again.
Speaker B:And she's like, I. I didn't believe in this until.
Speaker B:Because my grandmother told me this story.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, people started disappearing again.
Speaker B:Now, so I'm burning this sage, and I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna hang around.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, why do they call it chitters?
Speaker B:And she's like, well, it's the sound that comes from the woods during these orgies.
Speaker B:It's this buzzing kind of rattling sound.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, something about green eyes.
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:If you get the chitters.
Speaker B:You get so revved up with lust that your eyes shine like emeralds.
Speaker A:And then she gets the chitters for Sam.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker A:And it was a very impressive feat of acting on her part to pretend like she was interested in him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:She should have got an Emmy for that one.
Speaker A:So hard.
Speaker A:So hard.
Speaker A:All right, so then we go outside and an amazing dog walks by.
Speaker A:And the boys decide that they're going to go get beer and hit the books.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut to two teens cutting, taking a shortcut through an.
Speaker B:They call it an alley, but it's basically a drainage ditch.
Speaker B:And as they're walking through this, they see two of these creatures banging on an old car seat.
Speaker B:It's just really weird.
Speaker B:It's a weird scene.
Speaker A:It's weird.
Speaker A:It's gross and it's weird.
Speaker B:And I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know if you've ever run off, like anytime.
Speaker A:Like, it is so.
Speaker A:Anytime I've run into people doing it in public.
Speaker A:Public, it is so awkward and just gross.
Speaker A:It's gross.
Speaker B:Usually if people are doing it in that open of public, they are typically not.
Speaker B:Well, this is not like, oh, let's be sexy in public.
Speaker B:This is like a.
Speaker B:We are under the influence and have nothing but.
Speaker B:And make and maybe mentally unwell.
Speaker B:And this is what we are doing right now.
Speaker B:That's what happens.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was gross.
Speaker B:And then they get attacked and our dude gets tackled and his neck bitten.
Speaker B:Chick is able to run off and.
Speaker B:Yeah, and there was another one there too.
Speaker B:So they got like surrounded by creatures.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But she feed.
Speaker A:But she flees.
Speaker B:And she flees and gets to go tell what the story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we go from there to the sheriff's.
Speaker A:And the sheriff's station just looks like a hardware store.
Speaker A:But inside this girl is explaining to the boys and a sheriff that the green eyed monster was Coach Hollister and his teeth were pointed.
Speaker A:And Coach Hollister didn't have pointed teeth before, but now he does and he's ripped into Cliff.
Speaker A:And the taller of the couple, the top was the taller of the DEAVER Brothers and Mrs. Lemowski.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so it was just.
Speaker B:She saw and saw some.
Speaker B:She saw other movement.
Speaker B:So there was more of them there than who they saw.
Speaker B:And Dean asked her if it was an orgy.
Speaker B:And this teenage girl is like, I've never seen an orgy.
Speaker B:And the sheriff ends the interview at this point.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Which is good.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Yeah, the sheriff's very upset.
Speaker B:She's like, I've got a dead kid with a chunk out of his neck.
Speaker B:I have people to call.
Speaker B:Because I also know what was.
Speaker B:What were the.
Speaker B:What was it the firefighter in the librarian?
Speaker A:Rob the fire minister in the librarian.
Speaker A:And she's friends with his pregnant wife.
Speaker A:And then she was just like.
Speaker A:How do I explain what we saw?
Speaker A:Was it aliens?
Speaker A:Was it Spanish fly?
Speaker A:Like, what the hell do I say?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, I don't know.
Speaker B:This is new for us.
Speaker B:So she just leaves.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Well, Dean's like.
Speaker B:To Sam's like, well, we conformed.
Speaker B:Confirmed orgy is behavior.
Speaker B:And then his phone rings, and it's Corey saying that she saw her friend Libby in the woods.
Speaker B:But was scared to go after her.
Speaker A:Doing in the woods at this point.
Speaker A:Stop going in the woods.
Speaker B:Like I would.
Speaker A:I love the woods, you know?
Speaker A:But stop, look.
Speaker B:Stop.
Speaker B:When you heard six people have gone missing in the woods.
Speaker B:You're not gonna go hunt in the woods.
Speaker A:After you see your friend stand there and basically do the hippie.
Speaker A:Hippie shake, like on her own.
Speaker A:Like, no.
Speaker A:And then her.
Speaker A:She hisses at.
Speaker A:It's time to not go in the woods.
Speaker A:It's time to be in your safe house, maybe with a gun.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's reasonable.
Speaker B:So Dean's gonna go check on Corey.
Speaker B:While Sam goes and looks in the alley where the.
Speaker B:Where the teens were in the woods.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:Now Dean's suddenly in street clothes.
Speaker B:So somewhere along the way, he also.
Speaker B:Before he went to meet Corey and help her out, he changed clothes too.
Speaker B:Which I think was a weird choice, but whatever.
Speaker A:I'm picturing he was just like, I gotta get out of this monkey suit.
Speaker A:And then, like, in the car, he, like, pulled his clothes out of his duffel bag.
Speaker B:I guess it just still seems like a moment.
Speaker B:But he hears a chittering right away.
Speaker B:And he sees Libby standing.
Speaker B:He hasn't.
Speaker B:I mean, he figures out it's her, but she's standing there and shaking.
Speaker B:And he's trying to talk to her.
Speaker B:But when she looks up, she's got the green eyes.
Speaker B:And then someone's side tackles him.
Speaker B:And he gets attacked.
Speaker B:And then suddenly the person that's attacking him is beheaded.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Who could have done such a thing?
Speaker B:And a man helps him up.
Speaker B:And it's two dudes.
Speaker B:And we find out that it is one of them.
Speaker B:His name is Jesse.
Speaker B:And who's stabbing this body?
Speaker B:His beheaded body.
Speaker A:Stabbing the shit out of this beheaded body.
Speaker A:Many, many times.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, who are you guys?
Speaker B:And Jesse's like you wouldn't believe us.
Speaker A:So we're gonna have a hunter's meetup.
Speaker A:Hooray.
Speaker A:And we go to Rustin's Bar where.
Speaker B:They'Re going to drink Ellie's brew.
Speaker B:We've got.
Speaker B:We find out they are two hunters that have been working together for seven years.
Speaker B:And they've heard of the Winchesters, but then think that they were.
Speaker A:They heard they died.
Speaker A:They heard they bit it.
Speaker A:Which I think is great.
Speaker A:That I just.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker A:I love the idea of hunters talking about.
Speaker A:About the Winchesters.
Speaker A:I always think that.
Speaker A:And, you know, like they're all just talking mad about them too.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:Mad.
Speaker B:All the time mad.
Speaker B:They're jealous, but they're also talking mad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam arrives.
Speaker A:Apocalypse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we learned.
Speaker A:Yeah, we learned one of the.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:The other guy's name is Cesar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is Jesse and Cesar.
Speaker B:And they mostly work in New Mexico and sometimes in Texas.
Speaker B:Oh, Mexico.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Mexico and Texas and.
Speaker B:But they seem to know what they're hunting here in Colorado.
Speaker B:And Jesse is going to fill them in on the basan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Jesse explains they're hunting a basan, which is a cicada spirit.
Speaker A:Cicada spirit.
Speaker A:They are rare in America.
Speaker A:They think they originated in the forests of Malaysia.
Speaker A:They kept up from the ground every 27 years, mate like crazy.
Speaker A:Then the cycle repeats and Jesse brings up a tablet and he shows him a picture and says that they have to inhabit a human body to do the deed because they're junkless.
Speaker A:So they enter through the mouth and then they go inside like they're a hermit crab that doesn't care that the shell is empty.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so the buzzing is a mating call.
Speaker A:And when Dean asks how to.
Speaker A:To kill it, they're like, well, decapitation seems to work.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about some mini lore here.
Speaker A:So the Besan Bisson, they took some liberty with it, although I could not find a ton of information on this.
Speaker A:And like I said to Diana before the show, I think most of this came from some 19th century anthropologist footnotes.
Speaker A:If you are a Malaysian listener who knows more about this folklore, please send us stuff.
Speaker A:I'd like to know more.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But what I could find in Malaysian folklore, Pisan is a female nature spirit.
Speaker A:The word itself has a variety of meanings, including camphor spirit, woman, bird, cat, marriage, humankind, foul mother, widow, child, and musketball.
Speaker B:That's a lot of potential translations.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:So camphor spirit, though, is the most important meaning for our purposes.
Speaker A:First, Real quick, what is camphor?
Speaker A:And that's not something that's very popular today.
Speaker A:I don't think so.
Speaker A:Camphor is an organic compound that's used in traditional Asian medicine.
Speaker A:It's used for incense, as an insect repellent, and for embalming.
Speaker A:When we're talking about it today, you're like, we say we're in camphor.
Speaker A:You're most likely talking about an East Asian tree, the cinnamon camphora.
Speaker A:When we're talking about the basan, we're talking about a much rarer Borneo camphor, also known as the.
Speaker A:The Malay camphor or the Sumatran camphor.
Speaker A:And that's found in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei.
Speaker A:So religion within the indigenous Malaysians, with the jakun and the indigenous Malay, they follow animistic beliefs, meaning that all things have a spirit or a natural force to it.
Speaker A:And the camphor tree is said to have a specific guardian, and that is the basan.
Speaker A:And she can take the form of a cicada.
Speaker A:Her singing sounds like one.
Speaker A:She won't sing when it rains.
Speaker A:But otherwise, if you hear her singing, you can follow her song and then you can find camphor to harvest it.
Speaker A:And, you know, that's something.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:You can get a lot of money for it, right?
Speaker A:So it was something that was.
Speaker A:You are defective.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But she was very protective of her tree.
Speaker A:And to harvest it, the people would have to trick her by speaking a language made up of combining a mixture of the Malay and the Jakun language.
Speaker A:Words either like.
Speaker A:Like mixed together, and then some were to be spoken backwards.
Speaker A:They'd be changed.
Speaker A:Those who stayed behind in the village would also have to speak this in order to, like, keep the disguise going.
Speaker A:You could sometimes take her offerings in the form of food, or you could sacrifice a white cockerel bird.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so that is information I have in this place.
Speaker A:It's different than there.
Speaker A:She's generally thought to be benevolent, right?
Speaker A:Like, she wants to.
Speaker A:She wants to keep her tree sake your tre safe.
Speaker A:But she'll give you her stuff, right, if you.
Speaker A:If you bribe her and trick her, you know, but nothing about, like, mating 27 years or, you know, invading people through a mouth, like, none of that stuff, so.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker A:So back in Gunnison, we have found that Jesse is one of those hunters that is on the revenge train.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because the one of them took his brother 27 years ago, and he's been waiting all that time him to take.
Speaker A:A shot back at them.
Speaker B:So he wants Sam and Jean to take a step back on this One.
Speaker A:He got this.
Speaker A:He got this.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah.
Speaker B:Cesar is like, yeah, Jesse hates this town and everyone in it.
Speaker B:And Jesse's like, they're ignorant and useless.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So they haven't been following any leads down.
Speaker B:He hasn't been following any leads in town, which leads to a disagreement where basically Jesse and Cesar disagree with how the trajectory of their hunting is going because of Jesse's distaste for the everybody in this city.
Speaker B:So Dean's like, haha.
Speaker B:Y' all fight like brothers, just like us.
Speaker B:And Cesar's like, more like an old married couple.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, hahaha.
Speaker B:He's like, oh wait, y' all are gay.
Speaker B:Okay, cool.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I love.
Speaker A:You know, what's it like to settle down with a hunter?
Speaker A:Hunter?
Speaker A:And he's just like, it's smelly and dirty.
Speaker B:And you're twice as worried about getting ganked, but yeah.
Speaker B:So serif's.
Speaker B:Sam's like, hey, Jesse, who's this Sheriff Cochran dude?
Speaker B:And Jesse's like that incompetent guy.
Speaker B:He lives like a hermit a couple towns over.
Speaker B:But I don't want to get distracted.
Speaker B:We need to be back in the woods.
Speaker B:That's what he's very serious about.
Speaker B:And we've got to find the burrow.
Speaker B:Burrow.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, that's fine, but how about Dean and Cesar go look for the burrow while Sam and Jesse go talk to the sheriff?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they split up and I think it's probably a good idea.
Speaker A:So Dean goes to where they got jumped and in the car, you know, they're driving and they're talking about things and he's just like, look, if they don't.
Speaker A:You know, if they don't find this, Jesse's gonna wait another 20 seconds.
Speaker A:Seven years.
Speaker A:And it's gonna.
Speaker A:It's gonna destroy him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no.
Speaker B:They talk about how, like it's hard to watch someone go through this and that, you know, anyways, it basically this has to.
Speaker B:They have to let them.
Speaker B:Someone that have some.
Speaker B:That someone that faces these things face it.
Speaker B:That's basically what it comes down to.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker A:Even though they know it never fixes them.
Speaker B:No, they just got to let them go through the process no matter what.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:So they go back out in the woods with their flashlights, looking around for this burrow.
Speaker B:And Jesse and Sam are driving and they're talking too.
Speaker B:And Jesse is talking about how he's been.
Speaker B:He searched so much for Maddie and He even found him with his green eyes and it wasn't human anymore.
Speaker B:So he had to leave and didn't look back.
Speaker B:But everyone thought that some pervert took his brother.
Speaker B:And they did not believe what Jesse said he saw.
Speaker B:They said he was lying, including his mom didn't believe him and didn't believe he did enough to save him.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:That's just up.
Speaker B:And his mom sucks.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, terrible and sad.
Speaker B:Sucks terrible and sad.
Speaker A:Even if, like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, I know it was the 80s, right?
Speaker A:And but even if somebody says, like, if somebody's like, aliens took my brother right then and he's a kid, you're so like, okay.
Speaker A:I wouldn't be like, why are you lying about this?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You know, it was a pervert.
Speaker A:Like, like, no.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also, like, I feel like there's an implication that his mom sucked throughout.
Speaker A:This a little bit.
Speaker B:Because, like, you go back like the kids were gonna run away as soon as the older brother turned to 18.
Speaker B:Like there was layers of like, hints when you look back.
Speaker B:Like, anyways, not that's an excuse.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker A:Still, we just.
Speaker A:It just piles onto things, right?
Speaker A:You're just like, no wonder you had to get out of there, Jesse.
Speaker A:And so like, you were rooting for him even all the more now.
Speaker B:So back in the woods, we get a super duper jump scare when something crawls out of the ground and then attacks Caesar Cesar.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But Dean's there and is able to chase the monster off, basically.
Speaker B:And it goes after him.
Speaker B:And then while that's happening, Sam and Jesse have sat down with the sheriff and who does not care about the FBI.
Speaker B:This happened 30 over almost 30 years ago.
Speaker B:And a lot of folks lost family, so he didn't really have anything new to head.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:Sam's like, yeah, but there's more missing with the same M.O.
Speaker A:And Jeff's like, no, I thought it was done right.
Speaker A:And so we're gonna kind of figure out, like, why what the sheriff was singing in a minute.
Speaker A:But we're gonna have to go back to the woods where Dean has returned and he has found the.
Speaker A:They think they found the burrow and that's why they were attacking packed.
Speaker A:And so the females are off.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're laying their eggs.
Speaker A:The eggs.
Speaker A:The eggs are getting.
Speaker B:Getting.
Speaker A:Getting born is gross.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But of course there's no cell service because there never is.
Speaker B:So the sheriff is going to talk a little bit more.
Speaker B:A little more with Sam and Jesse.
Speaker B:And he's talking about how he was.
Speaker B:You know, he goes and washes his face and he goes and sits down and he's like, I'll just take your card and I'll call you if I think of anything.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you don not, so let's talk.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, I couldn't find.
Speaker B:And I couldn't find them, but I found I.
Speaker B:So I bought this place and moved out here to find peace.
Speaker B:And so finally, after back and forth, he's going to talk more.
Speaker B:They like, they know.
Speaker B:They know what took the people and they know it isn't human.
Speaker B:So they need to know what the sheriff knows.
Speaker B:So he sits down and he said, tracked one and it was sick and dying.
Speaker B:And that's when he got to the.
Speaker B:Where it was.
Speaker B:He also saw his daughter and he thought she had left for school a few days before, but now she was one of them.
Speaker B:It's kind of a sad story, but.
Speaker A:Horribly tragic story, but it's also weird.
Speaker B:He never reported her missing.
Speaker B:So does that mean there was.
Speaker B:Because she was already gone.
Speaker B:And he knew.
Speaker B:He's like, his comment is he knew where she was, she wasn't.
Speaker B:Wasn't missing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And apparently nobody else gave a.
Speaker A:About her about this girl.
Speaker A:Like, nobody, like, noticed that she just stopped showing up for things, I guess.
Speaker B:And so he said he tried to talk to her and then she attacked him.
Speaker B:So he killed her.
Speaker B:And Jesse is pissed because now he.
Speaker B:He attacks the sheriff because the sheriff knew all along.
Speaker B:And the sheriff was one of the people playing into the fact that Jesse made this all up.
Speaker B:That's really sad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he could have like really thinks that he could have ended everybody's suffering because he knew what happened.
Speaker A:But nobody would have believed him either, Right?
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:It's a big ugly and messy.
Speaker A:And Cochran tries to defend himself that all these people were already dying.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:It's just gross.
Speaker A:It's all.
Speaker A:It's all just not a happy.
Speaker A:Obviously it's a terrible situation.
Speaker B:Situation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam even asked, he's like, what shows.
Speaker B:Did you just erase her from your life and pretend that she ran off?
Speaker B:And the sheriff basically says yes.
Speaker B:When he looks at the photo of her, he's sad.
Speaker B:And then he's like, but this.
Speaker B:But this is where I found her.
Speaker B:It's at the Old Donald, an old mine.
Speaker B:Specific mine that he said that's where they were at.
Speaker B:So now Sam and Jesse have a destination.
Speaker A:Well, and that's they were already going there.
Speaker A:Sam and Jesse.
Speaker A:Jess.
Speaker A:No, Sam and Jesse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They do have their destination.
Speaker A:Sorry, I was thinking my mind was already at Dean and Cesar.
Speaker A:Okay, so Dean and Cesar are at the mine.
Speaker A:And they are breaking their way into that.
Speaker A:And you guys, like, you should really try and find some better ways to keep old minds out of like just.
Speaker B:You should be pulled off by him.
Speaker A:I'm gonna pull this board off and get into this old abandoned mind here.
Speaker A:Teenagers never do anything with that.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker B:And they kind of split up.
Speaker B:And Dean finds first a.
Speaker B:The body of a woman on the ground.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she appears to be pregnant with.
Speaker A:A distended belly, glowing with life.
Speaker A:She's filled with the glow of pregnancy.
Speaker B:Don't say that.
Speaker B:That's upsetting.
Speaker B:It's green.
Speaker A:That's not what they mean when they talk about women being glowing.
Speaker B:I don't think that's what they mean at all.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:When they say glowing.
Speaker B:And then of course, there's one of the dude behind him.
Speaker B:And Cesar is getting attacked.
Speaker B:But Cesar is able to behead them.
Speaker B:Dean's fighting and has to behead this one with a shovel.
Speaker B:And then Cesar is there and they're like, oh.
Speaker B:They realize there's a whole room full of the females bodies who.
Speaker B:With distended bellies.
Speaker B:And it's like a.
Speaker B:They call it a maternity ward.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they're all dead, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, the body.
Speaker A:Yeah, the women are dead, like, but the bodies are.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's a very strange parasitic thing that's happening.
Speaker A:I'm sure there's the male scientific name for like things that lay their eggs inside of corpses.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:Probably the males.
Speaker B:The males are protecting the eggs, though, is what's happening.
Speaker B:Even though the women are dead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so basically what Cesar is positing is that these bodies basically stay down there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Until the eggs hatch for 27 years.
Speaker A:Like they're just in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well.
Speaker B:Well, I got gasoline in baby.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Pull that around.
Speaker B:Kill it with fire.
Speaker A:Kill it with fire.
Speaker B:Doesn't he say he's like 5 gallons?
Speaker B:That seems like a lot of gas to just be driving around with.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, unless he's just talking about siphoning out of.
Speaker A:He's just gonna siphon it out of baby.
Speaker A:But beyond that.
Speaker A:I also think though, like, I would want to.
Speaker A:I would feel know I would want to do something else.
Speaker A:I wouldn't want to just do fire.
Speaker A:I don't think fire guarantees they're dead.
Speaker A:You know, like, and they get, like, pop out like this.
Speaker A:It all seems like a horrible situation for, like, things that go wrong or things to, like, explode and go mucusy, you know, like, do you want those bay eggs to pop, like, from heat?
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And get, like, alien everywhere?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think you should, like, do some stabbing.
Speaker B:Individual stabbings.
Speaker B:And then, I mean, I know because.
Speaker A:You'D have to go through the lady's stomachs, but that's a lot.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I wouldn't.
Speaker A:I just wouldn't trust a fire would do the trick.
Speaker B:Fire alone.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:I would do a double.
Speaker B:I think fire would be the second step.
Speaker B:Double tap this, not step one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they go to baby, and Sam and Jesse arrive.
Speaker B:And Jesse is, like, worried because he.
Speaker B:Jesse's worried because when Cesar got tackled earlier, he.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He got.
Speaker B:He hurt his foot or something.
Speaker B:So he's limping a little bit, but Cesar is like, no, this is finally.
Speaker B:I'm fine.
Speaker B:And this is finally going to be over.
Speaker B:And so Dean gives Jesse the gas to go burn the place down.
Speaker B:And before he starts the fire, he walks into the burrow and he finds Maddie's brother, or Maddie, his brother's body very quickly.
Speaker B:And you can see his little pouch with the coin.
Speaker B:And he's able to.
Speaker B:To get that.
Speaker B:And they all agree to give Maddie a proper burial.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker A:So the other families don't get any closure.
Speaker A:And, like, what the hell happens to, like, this messed up.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Well, they kind of say, like, you have.
Speaker A:You have remains that could go to families.
Speaker B:They do.
Speaker B:And like.
Speaker B:And they kind of like.
Speaker B:Like, Sam and Dean are kind of like, oh, we'll take care of the others or something.
Speaker B:But it's like.
Speaker B:But really, will you.
Speaker B:No, you never do, so.
Speaker B:Of course not.
Speaker A:Care plan for Gunnison, Colorado.
Speaker A:You're gonna burn this down, leave all these people and never tell them what happened to their family.
Speaker B:And then they'll just not.
Speaker A:We don't see this again.
Speaker A:Where is the new sheriff?
Speaker A:Like, I know she wasn't that concerned, but maybe she should know the, like, where those people.
Speaker A:Like, they didn't, like, let her know that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That seems like relevant information.
Speaker A:Okay, so I just, like, the sheriff just completely gets, like, shoved to the side in this.
Speaker B:In this story.
Speaker A:Like, she was there and then just like, bye.
Speaker B:Yeah, forget her.
Speaker B:Let her go worry about the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know, the phone calls.
Speaker A:Y.
Speaker A:All right, so we go, like, outside.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're going to Give Maddie a hunter's funeral?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like the next day, it's done, apparently.
Speaker B:And Maddie gets his hunter's funeral.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:And then while they're doing that, Sam is talking to Dean about how when dad and Dean would leave him alone and go off on a hunt, he would be so sure that something, whether it was a vampire or a vampire or rougarou, which something would finally get them.
Speaker B:And then he would try to think about what he would do next.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he didn't know, because John.
Speaker A:Didn'T leave him any instructions.
Speaker A:The John Winchester, Worst dad of the world.
Speaker A:Like, you didn't tell your child.
Speaker B:Like, if we're not back by this time, call this person.
Speaker B:Like, there's very simple.
Speaker A:Like, you don't think.
Speaker A:And Jean's like, we always showed up.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is still not responsible.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Contingency plans are not.
Speaker B:Not a.
Speaker B:A cop out or a give up.
Speaker B:Contingency plans are useful.
Speaker B:That's what you do.
Speaker B:You make those terrible.
Speaker B:Anyways, so.
Speaker B:And Dean's excuse is like, well, look at Jesse.
Speaker B:He turned out all right.
Speaker B:Stupid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's like.
Speaker B:But they also.
Speaker B:They discussed that.
Speaker B:Hey, I was thinking maybe Jesse and Cesar can help us out with the Amara and Castiel thing.
Speaker B:They're fresh eyes.
Speaker B:They've more muscle.
Speaker B:It'd be nice.
Speaker B:I think they just kind of like.
Speaker B:They like these guys.
Speaker B:So they want to work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's pretty cool.
Speaker B:And I'm like.
Speaker B:I get excited because I'm like, I like these guys, too.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:But no, no.
Speaker B:They're walking away from the woods.
Speaker B:And Cesar is very happy because now they agreed that now that this.
Speaker B:This finish.
Speaker B:This hunt has finished, they are going to hang up their spurs and go hang out on their land in New Mexico.
Speaker A:Mexico?
Speaker B:I thought they said New Mexico that time.
Speaker B:No, no, Mexico, where they've got horses.
Speaker B:They're gonna raise horses in Mexico.
Speaker B:I don't know why I kept hearing New Mexico.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe you got that on your mind, too.
Speaker A:They also apparently almost blew up the mine when they were trying to burn down the.
Speaker B:The egg.
Speaker B:Eggs.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, but then the mind probably collapsed.
Speaker A:And those eggs aren't in there.
Speaker A:I'm telling you, they're not dead.
Speaker A:Like, I'm sorry you didn't double tap the eggs if you can't just burn them anyhow.
Speaker B:And we won't know for 27 more years.
Speaker A:No, for 27 more years.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean get in the car and they agree that he didn't feel right to ask them to not basically retire from hunting.
Speaker B:So that's why he didn't ask.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Two hunters who make it to the finish line.
Speaker A:You leave that alone.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's our episode.
Speaker B:And so that's our episode.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:I like them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And spoiler, we don't see them again.
Speaker A:I remember.
Speaker A:So let's talk about who.
Speaker A:Who they were and who some of these other people were casting.
Speaker A:Cow Couch is the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So our cast in this episode, I guess they are.
Speaker B:They still.
Speaker B:They're still around.
Speaker B:So Jesse was played by Lee Rumore, and he hasn't been in anything in the last six years.
Speaker B:So I don't know if that's a, you know, just as an aside.
Speaker B:So it's not super.
Speaker B:Not a lot of recent work, but he's been in episodes of Smallville, Queer As Folk a few times.
Speaker B:Nikita, Umbrella Academy.
Speaker B:But they mentioned that maybe.
Speaker B:Uncredited.
Speaker B:And then he was Santa in the Lana Del Rey holiday album video.
Speaker B:Cesar was played by Hugo Ateo.
Speaker B:And he's been actually.
Speaker B:His career started out in Mexican television, and then he's been episodes of Falling Skies and Arrow.
Speaker B:Hugo, he was Sarge in the series Siren as a reoccurring character.
Speaker B:And he is in Jesus in the new Netflix rom com, the Wrong Paris Sheriff.
Speaker B:Tyson was played by Candice McClure.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of Smallville, a few episodes of reaper alphas, good Dr.
Speaker B:Flash, Snowpiercer.
Speaker B:She was a clerk in Romeo's Die.
Speaker B:She was sue in the 22,002 version of Carrie.
Speaker B: She's Vicki in the: Speaker B:Dr. Landu in the Ghostbuster in Ghost wars series.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:And she's the guardian in Charmed.
Speaker B:It's a reoccurring character.
Speaker B:And Kaya in Virgin Revolution, Sheriff Joe Cochran was played by Andy Maton.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He's been.
Speaker B:He's been in a few things, but specifically, he was a high roller in the movie Rat Race.
Speaker B:Corey Kim was played by Jaylee Hamidi.
Speaker B:And she's been episodes of Supergirl Allegiance and Yellow Jackets.
Speaker B:She's Al Alice in How to Die Alone series as a reoccurring character.
Speaker B:Libby was played by Lauren Overholt.
Speaker B:She's a.
Speaker B:A dancer in welcome to Marwyn and has been in episodes of Bates Motel and Altered Carbon.
Speaker B:Young Jesse was played by Valen Shinier.
Speaker B:Episodes of Smallville Riverdale, which we'll get to more in a minute.
Speaker B:Grease, Rise of the Pink Ladies and was Randy in A Christmas Story too.
Speaker B:And has done a lot of voice work in like young children's like toddler shows.
Speaker B:Like shows I would not know.
Speaker B:But Maddie was played by Connor Stanhope, who's been in episodes of Smallville Fringe.
Speaker B:He was Danny.
Speaker B:He is Danny in My Life with the Walter Boys, which is a reoccurring It's a Netflix series.
Speaker B:Reoccurring character on that.
Speaker B:And Logan in the Garage Sale mystery series, which is a movie TV movie series.
Speaker B:It's a reoccurring character that Etta was played by April Telek.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of.
Speaker B:She actually has done a bunch of casting associate work and other crew work and a lot of Hallmark movies.
Speaker B:Bought episodes of Dead Like Me, Aliens in America, Frequency Fire, country and Tracker.
Speaker B:She was Chloe in Y2K movie, Mrs. Wilson in the movie Freeway 2 as Secretary in the movie White Noise, Liz in the movie Flight 93 and Nell in the series Hell on Wheels.
Speaker B:So we're Crying character.
Speaker B:Oh, and then Aunt Brenda in Final Destination Bloodlines movie Cliff.
Speaker B:Our teenager who gets his neck ripped out was played by Drew Ray Tanner, who's been in episodes of Arrow, iZombie, Supergirl in the Order but most is the one and only Fangs.
Speaker B:Also roles of Flynn and Fen in Riverdale.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker A:Things that make Diana happy.
Speaker B:Yeah, the girlfriend was his girlfriend, who did not have a name, was played by Julia Tortillano.
Speaker B: n in episodes of dead like me: Speaker B:And then two of our two Bessons that get all the Bassan crowd credit in this episode.
Speaker B:One was Lisa Chandler, who's a stunt woman who's done a lot of stuff with Supernatural but also Altered Carbon.
Speaker B:And then she did stunt work in the film the recent film Long Legs.
Speaker B:And then our other one was played by Robert Zen Homepage, who's done a lot of stunt work in a lot of things including the series or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The Shogun, Snake Eyes and Deadpool.
Speaker A:The movies.
Speaker B:Told you.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker A:A lot of cast.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, there was a lot of people, but didn't feel like it, though.
Speaker B:It didn't.
Speaker B:That's what was funny when I started going through like, I was like, holy.
Speaker B:So yeah, what do you think about this episode, Liz?
Speaker A:I mean, it was.
Speaker A:I mean, I was laughing last week when you were talking about, I'm glad.
Speaker A:Like we're finally getting some Amara action.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:I know that we're going to be going, not having another monster of the week.
Speaker A:And I'm was just like laughing.
Speaker A:I was like, no, I'm totally the week.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It tricked me.
Speaker A:But yeah, I like you.
Speaker A:I love Cesar and Jesse.
Speaker A:I think they were.
Speaker A:I would have, you know, here's you.
Speaker A:Here's your next spin off.
Speaker A:You know, now that you don't have Countdown.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Like, let's do their, Their, their backstory.
Speaker A:Let's see what happens after they go to Mexico.
Speaker B:They just accident.
Speaker B:They can raise horses and just accidentally fall into hunting occasionally.
Speaker A:See, well, you know, a hunter's life is never over and you know, a chupacabra is gonna attack their goats or it could be like their kids.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:Let's find out what happened to Cesar and Jesse.
Speaker A:Continue that story.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:You know, I like it when we get other hunters.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It really.
Speaker A:It mixes up the scene.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So I'm glad.
Speaker A:I'm glad we got not just a Monster of the Week, that we got to meet a cool couple.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:But I also wish they were around more.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would have been cool.
Speaker B:It would have been a nice touch.
Speaker B:But I agree fully.
Speaker B:I. I thought it was a.
Speaker B:It was a. I don't know.
Speaker B:It was real.
Speaker B:I'm real creeped out by this.
Speaker B:By this monster.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It eats me out so bad.
Speaker A:Oh, and it also reminds me of the Maynard scenes and True Blood where it's like the town folk orgies.
Speaker A:So, you know, and.
Speaker A:And the, that also had the shaking in it too.
Speaker A:Like, like.
Speaker A:And remember I said the director is a Blair Witch dude.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So again, like, so I can see that, that visual.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like with her head down, like shaking.
Speaker B:Like that scene.
Speaker B:Like, that's very, very reminiscent.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And it was, it was very well done.
Speaker A:It was very well shot.
Speaker A:It was very creepy.
Speaker B:Agreed.
Speaker A:And you know it.
Speaker A:But it was balanced out by having likable people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But yeah, they're.
Speaker A:The whole idea of this creature, you know, the way that they, the way that they took it was really great.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker A:So good on them for making it looking that gross.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Any other thoughts?
Speaker B:No, that's all I got.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I had one more thought.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So just orgies in general, I will say, you know, when I was trying to.
Speaker A:To pad out, you know, this episode, I was trying to see if there were towns who have had like, massive orgies.
Speaker A:Don't look up towns and orgies is all you're gonna do is find advertisement for the orgies that apparently happen in your town.
Speaker B:Town.
Speaker A:And at least I was on a video, so I didn't think it was in my town.
Speaker A:But apparently that's what the Internet thinks.
Speaker B:Fun, fun.
Speaker A:So cheers.
Speaker A:Like, not glad you guys don't have to know about that.
Speaker A:So I did that.
Speaker A:I did that search for you and I'm on a new special list just for.
Speaker B:Just for you guys.
Speaker A:All right, on that note, I guess we'll end it.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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