Darragh and Ellen are back for episode 4 to talk about power, who's got it, and the parallels between how those with power have used it to tackle (or not tackle) the COVID and climate crises.

The pair delve into the power of the individual vs. system and how they are inextricably linked and of course, there's some great advice on taking climate action.

In the episode they mention this speech from Greta Thunberg

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/10/greta-thunberg-we-are-speeding-in-the-wrong-direction-on-climate-crisis