Collaboration isn’t about doing more—it’s about connecting better. In this episode, Susan is with podcasting powerhouse Michelle Abraham to break down what real collaboration looks like beyond the buzzwords. From podcast guesting and swaps to long-term partnerships that build trust, friendships, and sustainable revenue, this conversation reveals how intentional connection becomes a powerful growth strategy. If you want collaborations that feel aligned, generous, and actually work, this episode is a must-listen.

What You’ll Hear:

- Successful collaboration is built on trust and relationships, not quick transactions.

- Podcasting creates powerful opportunities for visibility, credibility, and aligned connections.

- The smartest collaborations start small before evolving into deeper partnerships.

- A few meaningful collaborations outperform dozens of shallow ones.

- Evergreen strategy and clear calls-to-action turn conversations into long-term growth.

Feature Guest: Michelle Abraham

Michelle Abraham is a podcasting strategist, producer, and the founder of Amplify You, where she helps entrepreneurs and thought leaders turn their podcasts into powerful visibility, collaboration, and revenue engines. With over a decade in the podcasting space, Michelle is known in creating meaningful connections through podcast guesting, swaps, and strategic partnerships. She is the co-creator of Podapalooza, a globally recognized podcasting event, and the founder of the High Vibe Podcast Network. Michelle is passionate about heart-centered collaboration, relationship-driven growth, and helping voices that matter get heard.

Connect with Michelle: https://michelleabraham.com/

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Meet the Host: Susan Jarema

Susan Jarema is a marketing strategist, internetologist, and co-founder of The Grand Connection. She helps entrepreneurs grow through collaboration, smart strategy, and high-impact digital presence. Susan is also president of New Earth Marketing, where she builds brands, websites, and ecosystems designed for real growth.

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Susan, welcome to The Grand Connection Podcast. I'm Susan, and today's episode is all about collaboration and what actually makes it successful. It's not the buzzword version, but the real kind that builds trust, friendships and long term growth. I'm very excited to welcome an amazing guest and longtime grand connection collaborator Michelle Abraham from Amplifyou. Michelle is the host of our grand podcasters group and the producer of the grand connection podcast. We're also part of her high vibe Podcast Network, and we've spoken on each other stages many times, and she's currently in our neuroscience of connection Self Mastery program, which we've talked a lot about in the last few episodes. Over the years, I've had the joy of meeting Michelle in person a few times too, and that's always the icing on the cake, isn't it, Michelle, and what I love most is that we've become genuine friends, and that this relationship grew entirely through the power of collaboration. Today, we're diving into podcasting, guesting, swaps, and what really, what it really means to collaborate in a way that feels generous, aligned and sustainable. So Michelle, welcome.

Thank you, Susan. I'm so glad to be here, and I am so glad this podcast is live and out there in the world, it is amazing. You've done a great job well.

We've been planning it for a while, and I'm very grateful, Michelle, because you've really been the person who's made it happen. You know, sometimes you need that person that just gets you over the edge to say, let's just do it right? And that's what you did for us. And I know you've done that for a lot of your other other podcasters, that they're part of your network and your your clients and in the community too. So you're a great motivator for all of us. I love what you say about that saying where you know if you if you aren't, if you're embarrassed of your first couple of episodes, you started too late. How does that go? What's the same?

If you're not embarrassed by your first few episodes, you waited too that long to get them out there.

Okay, that's it. Yeah, that's the right way to say it. Anyways, I know this has been a struggle for me, because I don't love my voice. I don't, you know, I'm nervous about this, but I've gotten more confident just in the last few podcasts that I've been doing, and of course, with your coaching. So thank you very much.

You're welcome. You're doing awesome.

Well, I mean, you are the queen of collaboration. When I first met you, you were, you know, I think we met right away, and we started working together. We did some, did some, we did some work together, both for each other, on podcasting and web work that I was doing, and then you became part of our community, and you became part of the grand podcasters group. You've been doing collaboration, like, through, through podcasting for for how long? How long have you been doing this?

A long time. Well, I've been in the podcasting space for 13 years, but we always laugh about this because at amplify you, we never even really had like, official, like marketing and things going on until, like, many, many years in, because we had such great collaboration going on. We had such great referrals that we didn't really need it. It was kind of like a joke. It was like it was hard to find us, and it was like the Secret Knock the bar down the street that you try to get into with a code, right? Like, that's kind of how we felt, because we had so many great partners that were referring people to us that we didn't really need to do that at work.

Marketing, no, and I know that from my own marketing agency. I mean, I play with marketing because I love it. But you know, people will call me and say, Oh, do you you want? You want us to help you with lead generation? I said, No, I have enough leads coming through my power teams and my collaborators that I don't need any more work. And that's a nice place to be in, isn't it?

Absolutely like that's so great, and that's why I'm so excited about the grand connection, too. When you first started it, I was there before I met you, before you started grand connection. I know crazy, and so it's so fun to see this come to life, because I know the power behind the connections and the collaborations, and I know what you guys are thinking starting it, and it's just like, so cool to see how it works now and how the collaboration is, like, such a centerpiece to everything.

Oh, I know. And you are one of the the inspirations of it all now. I because I've been watching you and and how you collaborate. And one of the most visible examples that has comes to mind right now about a collaboration that I've seen you do through the years is potapalooza, and that's been a big success for you. What do you think made that collaboration work so well for you?

Yeah, so interesting enough that collaboration came from a podcast interview. Of course, it did actually my partner in Potter, Pulitzer, Kimberly Crow, she was interviewed on one of our friends podcast, Val Lowe, and Val said, Michelle, you have to, you have to interview this lady. She's amazing. You guys would get along so well, I can just see it. And so I interviewed her. And yes, she was totally right. First of all, we got. Along really well. We had lots of chemistry as far as friendship goes. And we started a friendship first, and from there, we had this idea for she works with speakers. I work with podcasters, and padapalooza was what we birthed through that collaboration. And what I think first of all was really that we had a lot of respect for each other and a lot of a friendship, and as a foundation, which started on the podcast, so that's really been the big success behind is that friendship Foundation. And so I care about the results, she cares about the results, and they both equally supported each of our businesses, too. So I think those were a couple of the key things as to why that that partnership has been really successful. And I would say the last thing is, we always check in with each other. Is this still working? Is this not working? And neither one of us are attached to the answer. If it doesn't work for one of us anymore, that's completely fine, and we just, we'll, we'll just stop it then. But you know, we check in after every single event. Is this still good? Is this still working for you? Is this still working for me? Do we want to keep doing this? And in fact, it was a big joke, as in the event, because we, like, never announced the next date until we had done that check in. So we always are checking in. Okay, are we sure, and we didn't want to announce the next date if it wasn't going to be something we wanted to continue on?

Well, announcing the next date at the event is very good marketing too, because everybody hyped up and they're signing up right away and becoming affiliates. It's very good. So for those listening who haven't heard of potable loser, do you want to tell everybody a little bit about it?

Sure, yeah, I'll just be quick on it, because it's, it's crazy event. So happens twice a year, and it's an all day event for podcasters and people who want to get on podcasts, what we do is we have a main stage where we have great speakers all day long. Susan's been the speaker there several times. And we have people that come as a general admission and watch the main stage speakers. They leave with tons of education. Have a great time, and it's a great day for them. We have this other little thing going on. It's called the VIP. If you become a VIP, you get to be interviewed on up to five podcasts that day in the auditorium. So our VIPs are scheduled on podcasts that you've chosen and the guests, it's like a matching system. And our we have all these podcasters. We have about 40 podcasters each event that want to interview you, and you choose which ones you like. They like you. We match it and we book it. So you could get up to five podcasts interviews done that day. And so for some people want to get visibility like this is a ticket to get on lots of visibility in one day. So it's kind of a crazy event. We've done it third. I think, I think we're on our 14th or 15th one coming up in March.

Oh my gosh, that's a lot. It's a lot and, and it's a fast moving event, very exciting and lots of value in one day. It's one day, right? One day, yeah, one day, yeah, yeah. Well, I've been at it, and I know many, many members that have been at it. They either have podcasts that are part of the part of the podcast where you get to be interviewed on or they are guests. And like a lot of people are interested in guesting, I think that's a fabulous way to get exposure, to get the word out and and to connect with the podcasters too. Can you explain a little bit about the difference between having a podcast and being a guest and how that works together?

Yeah, for sure. And if you're a grand connection member and you're listening to this and you want to be a featured podcaster at potterpalooza, just reach out to me through the podcasters group at Grand connection and we'll get you hooked up. This is a great way for podcasters to get visibility, you know, right when you're getting started, or if you've been around for a long time. So it's a great way to find like, great guests. So there's two different things in podcasting. You're either a guest or your host, or the best of both worlds is both. So this is why I love podcasts hosting so much, because when you go and be a guest, that's amazing. You get to borrow someone else's audience. You get to give great value to this audience. But it's sometimes it's hard to get booked on shows, and so the best thing I've found to book or to get booked on lots of shows is to do the inviting first. I'll invite someone who I want to be on their show. I'll invite them on my own show first. So that's kind of what I love about the podcasting and podcast guessing is that the having your own show helps you get on more shows as a guest, too, not just that, not just interviewing people on your own show.

And I call it, I call it podcast swapping. Like I see a lot of that happening. People will come to your group, at the Grand podcasters group, and they they leave, I get these comments at the end that get they go into the recaps, and it's just like I got booked out a podcast, I did a swap. You know, that's happening all the time, because if you have a podcast, you're looking for great people to to be able to interview. And other podcasters are always great interviews because they know, they know what you're expecting and what the audience is expecting. And a lot of times when you're collaborating and, you know, networking. You're you're reaching the same audience,

yeah, 100% and it's a lot easier to invite a podcaster on as a guest, because they already know what to expect. They got the equipment, they got the mic, they got the they got the earphone, they got everything already, right? And they'll promote the heck of it out of it, because they know what it's like to have a podcast that needs promotion, right? So podcast guests are great. Podcast swapping is awesome. It's such a great tool for you to meet other people. And so one of the things that I love, love, love, love about podcasting is even just using your podcast to open doors to relationships with people you don't already know. And that'd be your joint venture, and that'd be your collaboration like engine, because with a podcast, we can get on Susan and you and I can get on and have a 20 minute conversation, we can accomplish more and learn more about each other in 20 minutes than like a three hour coffee chat, right? So it's very efficient way to meet future collaborators,

And the collaboration is happening right throughout it. We'll have, we'll have a little bit of time, kind of ahead of time, in the green room. We're gonna have a little conversation to chat, get to know each other. We have the podcast. That's what we're doing right now. We're going to talk afterwards, but then I'm going to share this, this podcast with my guest. They're going to share it with their audience. That's a collaboration right there. And then you may invite me back onto your podcast. It just reciprocates, and it's a great way to build that relationship in a way that's actually creating value for both parties.

Yeah, and also my audience trusts me, and so when I bring you on to my audience, that builds even more trust, and now they'll trust you as well, and the people the audience wants to hear from people that we they trust, right? And in when we trust each other to do, open up each other's audiences to each other, that's a whole other, whole other level of collaboration too, right? Like, that's really, it's it's really important. Like, I work hard for my audience, my clients, my, you know, my my people, and when I bring a guest on my show, you know that you're opening up that audience to someone else. That's a really it's a really cool way to build trust and relationships.

Now I we're talking about podcast swapping. Have you heard of any other you know, collaborations that have come from podcasting. You've talked about palloosa, so that's, that's a joint venture, right? That makes a lot of money for you and for the people that are all part of it,

Yeah, well, and I can say I've made multiple six figures from one podcast interview. And so then that's potapalooza. So that is been my one of, I've had two collaborations like that. Another one, another guest of mine, him and I created a course together that we use sold multiple times, that also did really well. So those two collaborations, for me, have been the very most profitable monetization things. But my clients and our podcasters and our community, there's, there's so many collaborations happening out there. One of them. One of them is a an executive coach in in her space, and she is constantly getting now, booked into other corporations through the collaborations on her podcast, and she was having a hard time in her business reaching through those doors. Sometimes there's a lot of red tape around, you know, corporations and trying to get the CEO on a phone call to talk about coming to work with them. But now she's just over, over, flooded with referrals and conversations because of the collaborations of the guests she's had on the show, which has been really cool I have, right?

I've heard that story so many times from members in the community that said, You know what, I get my clients from my podcast, yeah, yeah, it's somebody that I wouldn't be able to easily open the door for their secretaries, you know, gating it, and you can't get a call through, and you invite them to be on your podcast, they're open to that. They come, they meet you, they get some exposure. It's a win for them. And then they get to know, you know, like trust. And then, of course, they might hire you.

Yeah, we have one podcaster who she works in, like the very special niche, and she was trying so hard to get, like a celebrity in her niche, to come and in, you know, have a conversation with her, to work together, to collaborate together, that person was ignoring her, ignoring her, ignoring her. She put up, puts out a podcast into the world, right? And that person, then, all of a sudden, reached out to her to be a guest. Wanted to be a guest on her show. She's like, I've been trying to get a hold of this person forever, but now, because she has a show, that person actually reached out to her first so that's kind of cool that you know, just helps you open the door to people that you wouldn't be able to reach otherwise.

Although that's powerful, I'm just trying to think like, can you think of any strategies that when you work thinking about your K, you're, I mean, you're in the podcast space. This is your world, and podcasting is by far one of the best ways to collaborate and to get started in building relationships. Do. What are some tips you can share with our listeners on ways to make this work well for them that it is profitable and they're using their time wisely and strategically?

Yeah, well, I see I use the podcast as a filter. So someone that I think might be a good podcast or might be a good collaborator in business, I'll invite them on the podcast first at do a temperature check to see if there's that chemistry there, if we kind of jive, if we and so I use it as a filter afterwards. Then, you know, there's, there's all sorts of things that you can do outside of just podcast guessing to make sure that the collaboration is going to go on and work. And I always like to start with something small. So do a little workshop together, maybe co collaborate on a workshop. I've done that with many, many partners. That was a small it's a small commitment you do, like a 60 to 90 minute workshop together. You both invite your audiences, and you know, it might be a paid thing, and then you both make money from it. See how it goes, see how you work together. See if you each, you know, market and you know, it jives that goes well, then go to the next step. So I always treat it like a relationship. You don't get married first into a long term commitment, collaboration like a starting a whole new business together, until you've tested out these

You need a few little dates first

And try it out a few days first. Yeah, yeah. And maybe even just be a promotional partner for each other. First that could be so a

A lot of people, yeah, that's what you'll start out with, is being an affiliate partner, a JV partner. And you get, you get an affiliate link, you track it. And the tracking is really important. Like a lot of people don't realize how important that is, is to know what, who's bringing, who's bringing, what people to an event, how much they're supporting it, what's working. So what do you do for tracking?

Yeah, well, and see, that's where it stops for a lot of people, right there. A lot of people don't track anything, including myself. I'm terrible at tracking things, but I know, I know I go more on my gut and my feeling of but that's just the type of personality I am. I go more with like, results on like, you know, there's people actually at the event that the content is good, we drive together. But I know there's another whole type of people that need to see those numbers and those analytics and the and I think it's a very smart business ROI to to see those the tracking. So using an affiliate manager, we use go high level for ours. We have, we've also used system.io in the past for ours, but seeing the results. So we can give our guests a special link, and they can then promote the episode using that special link, so I can see if anyone opts in from that particular episode. And how we were doing this in the past is we have, like a little gift vault that all of our guests gifts went into the same vault. And so I would give the guests, the guests the link to the vault. They would met, they would market the vault, and then I could see who came in through that link. So kind of like patapalooza, that's how we market patapaluza.

Well, pot of aluza. I just got, got my link, my affiliate link from you guys this week, so I got to get that out there and start promoting it too. Yeah, it will be the show notes. Yes, yes. We'll put it in the show notes for sure. Well. And is, do you have like it? Because people will watch this, listen to this podcast. You know, at different times of the year, pot of Palooza, I presume you have a direct landing page that you can come to all the time, right? And that's another thing to think about when you're when you're doing your marketing, and you're giving out links and things, are these links ones that are evergreen? Are they going to be there for the long time? Or, you know, maybe you're giving out you're doing interviews, guesting all the time. You're going for interviews. You don't know when people are going to be listening to that episode. So whatever you're sharing at that time, have a link that goes to some sort of a page that is evergreen and that they can keep getting value and, you know, learning more about you whenever they listen to it, right?

And that's so smart, because podcasts are evergreen. And this is the problem with podcasting heavy. Like, hey, we have an event coming up on such and such a date. Well, if I come in and listen to that a year later, I'm like, well, that event's over. That sucks for me. So if you haven't some sort of link, like, say, I always use like Michelle abraham.com or or Michelle free gift from michelle.com or something like that, where it's a page that people can go to. I don't have the free gift from Michelle one live right now, but I have Michelle abraham.com but it's a page or a link. My point is, is that it's something that you can go people can go to, and if the gift changes over time, the link is not broken. And that was the way my my first 100 episodes as a guest. I went out and had all sorts of links out there because the podcast guessing I was doing, I would go on any show that took me on, and it was like about parenting or traveling or business or whatever. And so I didn't have a free gift from for all those kind of things, which is a mistake. So I shouldn't be going on all those shows. Just because I can talk about it doesn't mean it's worth my while and my time, and doesn't lead to my business. So when I got smart about that and realized that I was giving all these links that are now broken all the way out there like it's crazy now getting. Smart. The the idea and strategy is free gift from your name.com, or your your own domain.com, and then that way, the gift can change over time. You don't have to commit to keeping that gift and that link live forever.

Yeah, and you are much more strategic now too. You're a busy mom. You've got lots going on in your life. You live off the grid and you got your kids take a boat to school. There's a lot going on in your life. Michelle, how do you be strategic in what you do for your collaborations?

Yeah, well, I fewer and deeper. So I have a few people I collaborate with that. I've I've met that. I mean, there's so many people I want to collaborate with on a bigger level, but just don't have the time for it. So very strategic, you know, like I come and help you in the podcasters group with grand connection. I value that I love the people that come to that I love you and your organization, and so that's one of the ones that I love doing. Kimberly and I do a cruise together called the influencers cruise, and also patapalooza. That's a partnership that I'll keep, because we we do things together, and it's a commitment to your partners, right? You want to show up and you want to be committed, and you want to be able to deliver good things, because that that person is important to me, and their audience is expecting me to deliver good things, because they refer people to me, right? So I show up and give good content and so fewer better. You don't want to have tons and tons of partners unless you're just playing the affiliate game and promoting each other's things. And I find that's good. But you know, it's not as it's deep as it could get with something that's even better and more profitable for each of you and builds a stronger collaboration. So start small, start with a couple of partners, and you can always grow that over time. If you're launching something big, sure go and do the 100 affiliates and all that kind of thing. That's all great, but you want to nurture those people, and, you know, build relationships with them. And yeah, I think the deeper the relationships, the better, and the fewer the better.

Yeah, and I do see you doing both, because patapalooza There you're you have a lot of affiliates in that that, but that's been running for many years, and you got a lot going on on that. And it's a big, big event. Yes, exactly. So you kind of have both going, but it's very organized. Kimberly Crowe is super organized. First time I met her, I was just like, oh my gosh, she we, she was calling us. We had a call, and she was in her car, and she just, right away, gave us, off the top of her head, you know, all these links. She had one of these magical links where you could find a whole bunch of things that she had going on. And, you know, we had all these ways that we could play together and get to know each other at the beginning and from one call, she was just had them ready and available for us to connect with and figure out how to build the relationship that next step. So one of the things too, is, when you're collaborating, you know, think about how you can collaborate. Be prepared. Have some things available that you know you have going on if you do have an affiliate system in place, have those links available to share with, with your with you know, the people that you meet, if they're interested and they do like what you're up to. Don't be pushy about it. You know, as as we have if you push too too much, people pull away. But it's a it's great to be prepared, and that's what I really valued from meeting Kimberly. Was I honored and respected how organized she was in that. And you are too. You're very organized in everything you're doing to Michelle.

You know, there's a way that you can use your podcast. And I know this is what Kimberly does with her experts cafe. It's a 10 minute podcast interview that asks all those questions that then qualifies people for that deeper call where it's like, Okay, here's all the things I have. What do you have? How can we play together? So it's kind of a cool it's like a first step, and then the second step is that call that you're talking about there. And I think that's a cool way of doing the podcast too, is you get to know people for 10 minutes or so, 15 minutes, and then, and then see where it goes from there. Yeah.

Oh, well, thank you so much. Um, the last thing I just want to briefly talk about about is being a podcast guest. A lot of people listening, they may not have started their podcast. Go to the grand podcasters group, and you'll learn all about what it takes to start a podcast. It's not that hard, and it is a great investment if you want to look at collaboration in the way that we're talking about today. But as being a guest, how do you be a really great guest, and what do you need to have in place to make it easy for people to want to book you?

Yeah, so being a great guest is that you're going to show up, you're going to be prepared, you have a topic, you're going to give great value to the audience, and you're going to have a call to action that leads somewhere that you can then give to the audience. So we will usually do something like that on a speaker one sheet, and it's just a one little one page which has your talk title, your your headshot, your social media, links, all the things that a podcaster needs to do, the show notes. If you give them to that, give that to them at the very beginning, and also maybe some questions to ask you. That doesn't mean that they're going to ask you those questions, but it means that you're giving them some ideas in case they run out of things to to say. Susan and I have got a long time friendship, and we can go back and forth and have an easy conversation. That's not always the case with someone comes on. It's a little bit more like rigid. So until you get to know people, until you warm up, which is, as a podcaster host, tip, make sure in the green room you make the person, make your guests laugh. Have a little conversation. Get have a little warm up, so that when you get on to the recording part, the conversation flows a little better. But these little questions are great for the podcast guests to have on their one sheet. So in case the podcaster needs a little help as to know what questions to ask, that's a great idea.

You know what I do? I mean, I get asked to be on a podcast because I get nervous, Michelle, I, you know, I don't I. I'm not a professional speaker. I've always been a background person, and this has been a new journey for me, stepping up and doing this podcast. So I know, I know. Thank you. Thank you. You need people to give you positive affirmations. Keeps you going. But I I like before I'm going to get on to like, Elisa's asked me to be on her podcast, right? And so I just let my VA to doubt to go, and she's going to scan through the transcripts of her last shows and give me all the questions she's asked other people, just so I kind of can feel prepared Elisa, if you're listening to this, that's what I'm doing, just to make myself a little parties, but she's actually changed the ship, because it's a new season, so she's changed it all. So the questions in 2026 are different than 2025 because I was already for 2025 because I listened to her show. But now I'm trying to figure out, okay, what, what's she going to ask me, right? And so, and

It's funny, because sometimes that might not work, because when you come on the high vibe podcast that I'm going to ask you questions that I don't know what I'm going to ask you until we have that conversation. So you never know. Sometimes that could work. Sometimes not. But at least it eases you.

It eases me to just feel okay when I start, and then when you're here, when you're having the interview, you know, be in the moment. Take some deep breaths. You don't have to be speaking all the time. A breath is a pause. It's okay, so you can take that once in a while. That's what we're learning in our neuroscience course, is how to manage those emotions and be aware of what's going on when your nervous system starts reacting to being nervous about something.

So gosh, when I get on a stage, I'm nervous about my my brain does a blank like, has a hard time remembering what I was gonna say. It's so embarrassing. And then I talk too fast and my voice sounds like it's nervous, and it's like, oh gosh, it's it's a disaster. I like to go outside before I have a podcast interview, whether I'm the host or the guest, go aside. Get into nature, put your feet on the grass, take a few deep breaths, go for a little walk for 10 minutes, and then come back in and you sit and even if you need to stand up while you're recording the podcast. That way, it helps your diaphragm speak more clearly and have a little bit better time breathing. That's a good idea, too. But those that's my little pre podcast warm up ritual. It just helps me ground a little bit more before an episode.

Very good advice. I'm going to use that for sure, and I should get a standing desk here.

I'm sure you were out skiing, Susan, and that fresh air is

I did, and I did. You can see my face is still red from the wind, so that's why I have a red face, if anybody's watching the video. So before we wrap up, I just want to thank you, Michelle, for sharing your wisdom. I mean, you are, you are a grand giver at the Grand connection. You truly embody what our community is all about. Your willingness to collaborate with us. You share openly and support others in such a in such a grand way. And it's a big part of why our community continues to grow, is is your contribution to it? So I'm just very grateful thank you for being here, and thank you for being you, and thank you everyone for listening and being part of something grand. Um, Michelle, where can people get a hold of you?

Yeah, and they can get a hold of me at M Michelle abraham.com that it leads to many different roads that website. So go on over there and see what you're interested in, and see where to follow along. And make sure you come and check out Susan's podcast on the high vibe Podcast Network. There's lots of cool podcasts there, but I just want to see Susan before I let you go seeing this is all about collaboration. This podcast has been one of the best models of collaboration I've seen in a podcast in a long time, because you're using all the community members in you know, brilliance and connections, and you're not using them, you're collaborating with them on the episodes, as a host, as a guest, as collaborators, as you know, people teaching workshops in The community, like so many cool ways that you're collaborating through, just through this podcast alone and grant connection is amazing.

Oh, it's, it's well, you know, it's the community that makes it happen, and the fact that I am nervous about doing this, I'm trying to get other people to be part of it. Well, I love it.

It just makes it a big collaboration tool.

Thank you so much. Michelle, this conversation is been such a beautiful reminder that collaboration works best when it's built on trust, authenticity and clarity, when we connect with intention, create real value and collaborate generously. Opportunities and income tend to flow naturally. If today's episode sparked ideas for you, I invite you to reflect on where you might strengthen your own collaboration journey. Is it connection, clarity, or how you're collaborating right now? And if you'd like to explore these conversations in community, come join us at the Grand connection. You can grab a guest pass, attend a few events, especially Michelle's come to her grand podcasters group and experience what heart centered collaboration really looks like thank you for being here and thank you for being part of something grand you.