Bowe v. United States | Case No. 24-5438 | Oral Argument Date: 10/14/25 | Docket Link: Here
Questions Presented:
This episode examines Bowe v. United States, where the government concedes error but argues the Supreme Court lacks jurisdiction to correct it. The case explores whether the "do-over bar" in AEDPA applies to federal prisoners and whether an acknowledged legal error will go unremedied due to jurisdictional barriers.
Question One: Does the do-over bar (§ 2244(b)(1)) apply to federal prisoners even though it references only state prisoner applications under § 2254?
Question Two: Does § 2244(b)(3)(E) bar Supreme Court certiorari review of authorization decisions for federal prisoners?
Section 2255: Federal prisoner post-conviction relief vehicle
Section 2244: Originally for state prisoners; contains:
Section 2255(h): "Second or successive motion must be certified as provided in section 2244"—key question is what this incorporates
Circuit Split: Six circuits apply do-over bar to federal prisoners; three reject it
Argument One: Plain Text Excludes Federal Prisoners
Argument Two: Federalism Explains Differential Treatment
Argument Three: Court Has Jurisdiction
Argument One: Certiorari Bar Applies
Argument Two: "Dismissal" Is "Denial"
Argument Three: No Constitutional Problem
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Speaker A:Today we're diving into Beau versus United States, a case that presents what I'd call a perfect storm of statutory complexity, jurisdictional puzzles, and a government that switched sides mid litigation.
Speaker A:Set for oral arguments on October 14, this case is another example of the government switching position after a change in presidential administration.
Speaker A:The Trump administration now concedes that the lower court got it wrong, but then argues the Supreme Court has no power to fix the error.
Speaker A:It's like acknowledging someone's trapped in a burning building, but saying the fire department can't respond because of jurisdictional restrictions.
Speaker B:And at the heart of this case is Michael Bowe, a federal prisoner who's shuffled for years to challenge his conviction based on a Supreme Court decision that came down after his trial.
Speaker B:But he keeps getting blocked by a procedural rule that may not even apply to him.
Speaker B:This case raises fundamental questions about how federal prisoners access the courts, whether Supreme Court review is available when circuit courts make mistakes, and the limits of Congress's power to restrict the Supreme Court's jurisdiction.
Speaker B:The implications reach far beyond one prisoner's claim.
Speaker B:Fair warning.
Speaker B:There's a few different statutes at play here.
Speaker B:We'll do our best to try to follow the bouncing ball.
Speaker A:Now, here's the constitutional backdrop that makes this case so compelling.
Speaker A:Bo's conviction was based on crimes, conspiracy and attempted Hobbs act robbery that the Supreme Court later said don't actually qualify as crimes of violence.
Speaker A:So his conviction rests on conduct that, under current Supreme Court precedent, shouldn't support that conviction at all.
Speaker B:And here's something important for our listeners to understand.
Speaker B:This isn't about someone trying to game the system.
Speaker B:When the Supreme Court announces a new rule of constitutional law, the Constitution's ex post facto clause generally requires applying that rule retroactively to people whose convictions became final before the decision came down.
Speaker B:The ex post facto clause prevents the government from punishing someone for conduct that wasn't criminal when they did it or from increasing the punishment after the fact.
Speaker B:That courts have interpreted this to mean that when the Supreme Court narrows the scope of a criminal statute on constitutional grounds, people convicted under the broader interpretation should get the benefit of that narrowing.
Speaker B:In this case, Beau asks for the benefit of Supreme Court decisions that came down after his conviction, but that should apply retroactively.
Speaker B:The problem is he's stuck in this procedural maze trying to get those decisions applied to his case.
Speaker A:Which brings us to the questions the Supreme Court must decide.
Speaker A:So let's start with the questions the court agreed to decide.
Speaker A:This case presents two Questions.
Speaker A:Both questions are jurisdictional, meaning they're about whether courts have the power to hear the case at all.
Speaker A: USC section: Speaker B:Okay, that's a mouthful.
Speaker B:Let's unpack this piece by piece.
Speaker A: eed to understand what section: Speaker A:Think of it this way.
Speaker A:After you're convicted in federal court and your direct appeal is over, you might discover new evidence or a new legal development that shows your conviction was wrong.
Speaker A: Section: Speaker A: But Section: Speaker B:Now here's the wrinkle.
Speaker B:Congress doesn't want prisoners filing these challenges over and over forever.
Speaker B: a second or successive Section: Speaker B:You can't just file it directly with the trial court.
Speaker B: That's where section: Speaker B: Section: Speaker B:And one specific provision.
Speaker B: Section: Speaker A:The do over bar says if you already presented a claim in a prior petition, you can't present that same claim again.
Speaker A: pus application under section: Speaker B:Now, here's the key detail that makes this whole case interesting.
Speaker B:Notice the language.
Speaker B: rpus application under section: Speaker B: Section: Speaker B: motions, not Section: Speaker B:So the million dollar question is, does this do over bar apply to federal prisoners?
Speaker B: soner petitions under section: Speaker B:That's question one.
Speaker A:Notice the language there.
Speaker A: pus application under section: Speaker A: Section: Speaker A: Federal prisoners use section: Speaker A:So the question is, does this do over bar apply to federal prisoners, even though the statute specifically references state prisoner habeas petitions?
Speaker B: USC section: Speaker B:This is the jurisdiction stripping provision.
Speaker B: Section: Speaker A:So that provision says, when a court of appeals decides whether to authorize a second petition, that decision cannot be appealed and cannot be reviewed by the Supreme Court through certiorary.
Speaker A: deral prisoners under section: Speaker A:What makes this case so compelling is that both questions involve the same core interpretive issue.
Speaker A: ve Death Penalty act AEDPA in: Speaker B:Let's tell Michael Bow's story, because understanding the facts helps explain why this matters so much.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:That firearm conviction, the section 924C count is the focus of this case now.
Speaker A:Section 924C requires that the underlying offense be a crime of violence.
Speaker A:There are two ways an offense can qualify through the elements clause, which looks at what the crime requires you to prove, or through the residual clause, which covered offenses that involve a substantial risk of physical force.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B: second or successive Section: Speaker A: request for authorization in: Speaker A:But the 11th Circuit denied authorization because at that time, Circuit precedent held that attempted Hobbs act robbery was still a crime of violence under the Elements Clause.
Speaker B: nited States versus Taylor in: Speaker B:This abrogated meaning wiped out the 11th Circuit's precedent that had been used to deny Beau's first authorization request.
Speaker A: So Beau tried again in: Speaker A:But the 11th Circuit dismissed his request.
Speaker A: iste, which held that section: Speaker A:So even though we denied it based on precedent that the Supreme Court later abrogated, the do over bar prevents you from presenting it again.
Speaker B:Dismissed bow then did something unusual.
Speaker B:He filed an original habeas petition directly in the Supreme Court.
Speaker B: urt review because of section: Speaker B: th Circuit in: Speaker B:He asked for three things.
Speaker B:Authorization to file his Davis claim, an initial en banc hearing to reconsider Baptiste, and alternatively, certification of the do over bar question to the Supreme Court.
Speaker A:The 11th Circuit said no to all three.
Speaker A:It again dismissed his request based on Baptiste and the do over bar denied the en banc petition and declined to certify the question.
Speaker A:So Beau petitioned the Supreme Court for certiorari, and the court granted review on both questions.
Speaker A:And and here's where it gets really interesting.
Speaker A:The government filed a brief on the merits, conceding that the 11th Circuit erred on question one, the do over bar does not apply to federal prisoners.
Speaker B: jurisdiction because section: Speaker B:So we have an acknowledged legal error that the government says cannot be corrected.
Speaker B:It's a remarkable posture for a case.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And this grant is significant because it creates an opportunity for the court to clarify important questions about how AEDPA's complex provisions include interact, resolve, a circuit split that's been deepening over the years and potentially address constitutional questions about the limits of Congress's power to restrict the court's jurisdiction.
Speaker A:Let's dive into how each side makes its case.
Speaker A:We'll start with the petitioner's arguments.
Speaker A:That's Michael Bowe.
Speaker A:Bowe's first major argument is textual and straightforward.
Speaker A: The due over Bar in section: Speaker A: rpus application under section: Speaker A:And as Bose Brief emphasizes, the text could not be plainer.
Speaker A: rpus application under section: Speaker A: rs file motions under section: Speaker B: tified as provided in section: Speaker B: s incorporates all of section: Speaker B: But Bo argues that section: Speaker B: tified as provided in section: Speaker A:And here's Bo's killer argument.
Speaker A: h Circuit admits that section: Speaker A: So if section: Speaker A: ner applications under section: Speaker B:Bao's second major argument is based on federalism.
Speaker B:AEDPA repeatedly subjects state prisoners to stricter requirements than federal prisoners because when state prisoners challenge their convictions in federal court, that creates tension with state sovereignty.
Speaker B:Federal courts are second guessing state courts.
Speaker B:But when federal prisoners challenge federal convictions in federal court, no state sovereignty is implicated.
Speaker B:It's federal courts reviewing federal courts.
Speaker B:That's why Congress subjected state prisoners to the do over bar but not federal prisoners.
Speaker B:Federalism concerns justify different treatment.
Speaker B:On the jurisdictional question, Beau makes two alternative arguments.
Speaker B: First, section: Speaker B:For the same textual reasons, the do over bar doesn't apply.
Speaker B:Courts must narrowly construe limitations on Supreme Court jurisdiction, and Congress must provide a clear statement to strip jurisdiction.
Speaker A:Second, even if the certiorary bar generally applies, this particular case falls outside its scope.
Speaker A:The 11th Circuit dismissed Beau's request rather than denied it on the merits.
Speaker A:The the statute distinguishes between dismissals and denials.
Speaker A:The certiorari bar only covers denials of authorization, not jurisdictional dismissals.
Speaker B: eping requirements in section: Speaker B:It just applied the do over bar as a threshold matter.
Speaker B:And the subject of Beau's petition isn't the denial of authorization.
Speaker B:It's the threshold legal question of whether the do over bar applies at all.
Speaker B:Cases like Castro and Stewart show that threshold questions fall outside the certiorari bar's scope.
Speaker B:Finally, BO invokes constitutional avoidance.
Speaker B:If the certiorari bar applies here, it raises serious exceptions clause the Supreme Court must retain jurisdiction over essential matters, like resolving circuit splits.
Speaker B:Six circuits say the do over bar applies to federal prisoners three say it doesn't without certiorari review.
Speaker B:Fifth, there's no way to ensure uniformity of federal law.
Speaker A:Now the government's position remember, they concede the 11th Circuit erred on the do over bar question but argue the court lacks jurisdiction to correct it.
Speaker A:On jurisdiction.
Speaker A: overnment argues that section: Speaker A:All five subparagraphs work together as an integrated whole governing authorization procedures and review.
Speaker B:The government emphasizes that these subparagraphs use authorization language and the unadorned word application.
Speaker B: e the do over Bar and Section: Speaker A:On whether the 11th Circuit's dismissal constitutes a denial, the government takes a functional approach.
Speaker A:Congress's use of denial covers all rejections of authorization requests.
Speaker A: Section: Speaker A:There's no third category of dismissals that escape review.
Speaker A:The government warns the that accepting bo's distinction could substantially undermine the certiorary bar.
Speaker A:Anytime a court applies an arguably incorrect legal standard, parties could claim it wasn't a real authorization decision and seek Supreme Court review.
Speaker B:On constitutional avoidance, the government argues, there's no serious constitutional question at common law orders denying habeas relief couldn't be appealed at all and Felker vs Turpin unanimously rejected an exceptions clause challenge to this exact provision for state prisoners.
Speaker B:Plus, alternative review mechanisms exist, certification by courts of appeals, the All Writs act, and potential review if authorization is granted and the case proceeds through district court.
Speaker B: so it doesn't satisfy Section: Speaker B:Oral arguments are slated for October 14th, the same day as Ellingberg versus United States.
Speaker B:Here are some key points we'll be listening for.
Speaker B:First, I'll be fascinated to see how the Justices react to the government's position.
Speaker B:It's unusual for the government to concede error but argue the Court can't correct it.
Speaker B:Some Justices might find that deeply troubling from a rule of law perspective, right?
Speaker A:Justice Kagan, in particular has been skeptical of arguments that amount to yes, we made a mistake, but you can't fix it.
Speaker A:She might press the government on whether Congress really intended this kind of unreviewable error.
Speaker B:I'll also be watching for questions about the practical consequences of each side's interpretation.
Speaker B:If Beau wins on question one and the do over bar doesn't apply to federal prisoners, does that open the floodgates to repetitive claims?
Speaker B:Or are there other doctrines like law of the case or abuse of the writ that prevent abuse?
Speaker A:The government argues those pre existing doctrines exist, citing Sanders versus United States.
Speaker A:But the Justices might want to probe how well those alternatives actually work in practice.
Speaker A:On the jurisdictional question, I'm curious whether any justice will raise Marbury vs Madison concerns.
Speaker A:If Congress can bar Supreme Court review of circuit court decisions that create splits in federal law, what happens to the Court's essential function of ensuring uniformity?
Speaker B:That's particularly interesting given this Court's emphasis on major questions doctrine and structural constitutional limits on agency power.
Speaker B:Several Justices have been skeptical of Congress delegating too much power to agencies.
Speaker B:Might they be similarly skeptical of Congress limiting the Court's own power?
Speaker A:The distinction between dismissal and denial could generate interesting exchanges, too.
Speaker A:Some Justices might find that distinction overly formalistic, while others might see it as a meaningful textual difference that Congress deliberately created.
Speaker B:And watch for questions about Castro and Stuart.
Speaker B:Those precedents are critical to both sides arguments.
Speaker B: means for purposes of Section: Speaker A:Circuit's acknowledgment that it's bound by Baptiste unless overruled?
Speaker A:The the Justices might also explore what happens if the Court rules for beau.
Speaker A:Does that mean all the circuits applying the do over bar to federal prisoners have been wrong for years?
Speaker A:What about finality concerns for prisoners whose cases are already closed?
Speaker B:One more thing to watch.
Speaker B:How do the justices view the federalism arguments?
Speaker B:Bo makes a compelling point that AEDPA's structure shows Congress intended to treat state and federal prisoners differently based on comedy concerns.
Speaker B:But some Justices might be skeptical of reading too much into that pattern.
Speaker A:So why does Beau vs United States matter beyond just Michael Bowe?
Speaker A:First, there's the immediate impact on federal prisoners.
Speaker A:Six circuits have been applying the do over bar to federal prisoners.
Speaker A:If the Court holds that provision doesn't apply, it could reopen cases for prisoners who were denied relief.
Speaker A:Based on this reasoning, potentially hundreds or thousands of people.
Speaker B:Second, there's the broader question of statutory interpretation and AEDPA's structure.
Speaker B:This case forces the Court to grapple with how to interpret aedpa's complex cross references and whether federalism principles should inform that interpretation.
Speaker B:Third, there are the jurisdictional implications.
Speaker B: the Court holds that section: Speaker A:And finally, there's the constitutional dimension.
Speaker A:If the Court reaches the Exceptions Clause question, it could clarify what appellate jurisdiction is truly essential and indispensable to the Court's constitutional role.
Speaker A:That would have indicated implications far beyond habeas cases.
Speaker A:This is one of those cases that operates on multiple levels technical statutory interpretation, federalism theory, separation of powers, and fundamental questions about access to justice and error correction in our judicial system.
Speaker B:What's striking to me is how bo's case illustrates the sometimes Kafkaesque quality of post conviction litigation.
Speaker B:Here he has a potentially meritorious claim based on two Supreme Court decisions, Davis and Taylor, that came down after his conviction.
Speaker B:But procedural barriers may prevent him from ever getting that claim heard on the merits.
Speaker B:And whether you think those procedural barriers are justified by finality concerns or unjustified as traps for the unwary, this case will shape how federal prisoners navigate post conviction review for years to come.
Speaker A:We'll definitely be covering the oral arguments when they're scheduled and the decision when it comes down.
Speaker A:This is the kind of case that could produce surprising alignments among the Justices depending on whether they focus on text, structure, purpose, or constitutional concerns.
Speaker B:Thanks for joining us for this deep dive into BO versus United States.
Speaker B:It's a perfect example of how procedural questions can have profound substantive consequences.
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