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In episode 10 of Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Dr. Alice Kerby of the Beyond the Pink Cloud podcast.
After suffering from severe stress while going through her doctorate, Dr. Alice fell into a downward spiral of alcohol abuse. This continued until she realized her problem, and she has been sober for three years since.
It's this experience that led Dr. Alice to starting the Beyond the Pink Cloud podcast, where she talks to people that have overcome their own battles with substance abuse, as well as inspired others by living their best lives.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- how the podcast grew from her own recovery from alcohol abuse
- how the Covid-19 pandemic is leading to higher stress and addiction temptation
- how we're adding to our stress levels while working from home
- how the show's direction has evolved from recovery-focused to multiple fields of expertise across various topics
- why she's inspired by people living their dreams
- some of the hurdles that are hard to overcome when dealing with abuse
- how the drinking culture of different countries affects addiction levels
- the fear of sharing her story in the first few episodes
- how she became a semi-professional fire dancer
Settle back for an open and honest discussion about addiction, recovery, and what that means to the people afflicted, and those surrounding them.
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That was a wonderful piece of advice. Actually, a friend
Speaker:gave me, he was like, just try this for six
Speaker:months. You could always go back to drinking. And that
Speaker:really made it very possible for me. And I liked
Speaker:that perspective and I share that frequently because it takes
Speaker:this scary nature of, Oh my God, I have to
Speaker:change this forever, but you can do six months. Most
Speaker:of us can look at that time period and say,
Speaker:okay, this is doable. Why don't I try this? Why
Speaker:don't I do some research with being sober and see
Speaker:what that feels like?
Speaker:Hi, and welcome to Podcaster Stories each of you will
Speaker:have a conversation with podcasters across all mediums and share
Speaker:their story. What motivates them. Why you started the show
Speaker:has a group of the show and more for us
Speaker:to talk about their personal lives and some of the
Speaker:things that have happened that made them the person in
Speaker:the afternoon and know who is your host Danny Brown
Speaker:Hey guys. And welcome to another episode of Podcaster Stories
Speaker:where we talk to the people behind the show's we
Speaker:have listened to on this week's show, I've got Dr.
Speaker:Alice Kerby from San Diego and California. Who's the host
Speaker:of the Beyond the Pink Cloud podcast. I'm so Dr.
Speaker:Kerby or Dr. Alice sorry if I'm not sure which
Speaker:Dr.
Speaker:Alice I'll get you a step, Dr. Alice welcome to
Speaker:the show. How about you and tell our listeners about
Speaker:yourself and your podcast.
Speaker:Sure. Thank you so much for having me. It's a,
Speaker:it's a pleasure to be with you this morning. And
Speaker:so I'm Dr. Alice Kirby. I'm a doctor of physical
Speaker:therapy as well as a health consultants and a somatic
Speaker:experiencing practitioner in training. And a lot of people who
Speaker:haven't heard of somatic experiencing it's essentially have a trauma
Speaker:practitioner. So I work with trauma. I work with chronic
Speaker:stress and anxiety primarily within my consulting work. And I'm
Speaker:based here in San Diego. And I started my podcast.
Speaker:Beyond the Pink Cloud about a year ago. I have
Speaker:a, a special love for working with women and recovery
Speaker:from alcohol addiction and sober women who are, you know,
Speaker:who are, who have moved forward from that place in
Speaker:their lives, where they've been very, you know, dependent or
Speaker:struggled with using a substance or even women who are
Speaker:more like gray area drinkers, or just want to try
Speaker:something other than alcohol to help with anxiety or stress
Speaker:are calming them down.
Speaker:And so I started the podcast as really for that
Speaker:community of ways to move forward beyond recovery. And I've
Speaker:really, I'm so happy with the direction it's taken, because
Speaker:of course we S we certainly still hold that in
Speaker:the, in the theme of the podcast, but it's really
Speaker:evolved into just a place full of information. I have
Speaker:guests on every week. And so I, I interviewed people
Speaker:from, I had Dr. Neal Barnard on who's really big.
Speaker:He's a psychologist based in Washington, DC, but does a
Speaker:lot within the plant-based movement. And he's published, I think,
Speaker:17 books and a bazillion, you know, research articles, but
Speaker:he's had phenomenal results with people actually reversing diabetes, using
Speaker:a plant-based diet and with women who have been able
Speaker:to really heal and really, you know, painful menstrual cramps
Speaker:and, and debilitating, you know, a menstrual type syndromes.
Speaker:So he was really interesting to talk to. And then
Speaker:I, I just recently had on Bruce Perry who produce
Speaker:the BBC show tribe and is this documentarian, and he's
Speaker:lived all over the world with indigenous people. And as
Speaker:we talked a bit about the Eagle Laterion tribes and
Speaker:what that's like to live with people that really don't
Speaker:have anyone who's in charge, and nobody is able to
Speaker:be in charge. That really is the sense of equality
Speaker:within a community. And so it was really lovely to
Speaker:talk with him. So anyway, I get really, really excited
Speaker:about the show because there's just so I'm, I love
Speaker:how, how, how many have these amazing people come on
Speaker:and speak with me and really give my audience a
Speaker:sense of, Oh, there's all these other things in life.
Speaker:Like if they are sober now that I'm sober, like
Speaker:look at all these other ways I can, I can
Speaker:delve into my own journey of, of just really thriving
Speaker:and, and be in my essential self.
Speaker:All right. And for people that, that may not be
Speaker:aware of the term Pink Cloud, what is that define?
Speaker:Sure. So it's a recovery term, and I don't know
Speaker:if it's just like in 12 step recovery or if
Speaker:its more broad, but I know it as there is
Speaker:this time period. I almost like a honeymoon phase. I
Speaker:think we could relate it to in a relationship or
Speaker:everything's really lovey and it feels really great. And you
Speaker:know, it it's like this with a recovery. So when
Speaker:you, when you give up a substance or when you
Speaker:get sober from alcohol or drugs or whatever your thing
Speaker:is, there can be this time period. And not everyone
Speaker:goes through this, but a lot of people experience it
Speaker:and it's called the Pink Cloud, that's essentially where your
Speaker:just kind of floating on his happy cloud and you've
Speaker:realized how great life is. And I think it's before
Speaker:maybe some more of the work can come in around
Speaker:in a recovery, but some people stay on it for
Speaker:a really long time and just feel really good.
Speaker:I know that their free of addiction and, and substance.
Speaker:So that's where the term of the pink Cloud comes
Speaker:from. And so Beyond the Pink Cloud is really like,
Speaker:okay, you know, now that we're moving forward in our
Speaker:lives, what's next and how can we continue to be
Speaker:Alright. And I know you had mentioned that obviously your
Speaker:professional job is a therapist M and the, the, the
Speaker:podcast is more about recovery from addiction, but it was
Speaker:some of that. It can be done to try them
Speaker:out and get up a recurring from a therapy. What,
Speaker:what, where did the idea of the podcast come about
Speaker:through him? Was it people that you were speaking with
Speaker:the brands, et cetera, or how did it come from?
Speaker:So you're a professional day job into the, the, the,
Speaker:the kindy at addiction focus, you know, topic of the
Speaker:podcast or addiction recovery, sorry.
Speaker:Yeah, sure. And so I have been transitioning from practicing
Speaker:More as a, as a DPT, as a doctor of
Speaker:physical therapy over the past year and a half, really.
Speaker:So I don't actually see that many patients anymore. I
Speaker:do a little bit of a, of PT still, but
Speaker:not a lot. 'cause, I've really moved it more into
Speaker:the trauma recovery work because it's so valuable. And they'll
Speaker:certainly use that with some of my PT clients, because
Speaker:its great for any kind of like motor vehicle accidents
Speaker:or falls or even surgical prep, things like that. The,
Speaker:the trauma work is a hugely, hugely important and works
Speaker:really, really well for those things. But in my own
Speaker:life, I got sober for almost three years ago and
Speaker:I had really struggled a lot with addiction with alcohol
Speaker:specifically was my thing.
Speaker:And even in a way, as I was fig, as
Speaker:I was finishing some of my clinical internships and rotations
Speaker:through my doctorate program, I was really struggling with a
Speaker:lot of anxiety and stress in my personal life and
Speaker:like really having a claw on myself to get like
Speaker:I have this picture of like digging out of a
Speaker:hole, like really just clinging to a wall. That's really
Speaker:what it felt like in this last bit of my,
Speaker:my education. And so my own drink and really took
Speaker:me down and I'm quite lucky because I was able
Speaker:to get help and go into some recovery and experience
Speaker:that pink cloud for myself. And then at the same
Speaker:time I was working with a therapist to introduce me
Speaker:to the somatic experiencing tools. And I really resonated with
Speaker:that work and it helped me so much in my
Speaker:early sobriety.
Speaker:He continues to help me a bunch now, but it
Speaker:was really, I think, quite pivotal for me to make
Speaker:that switch of knowing, okay, not just do I want
Speaker:to give up this substance, but I'm gaining this sense
Speaker:of myself and this sense of being able to really
Speaker:feel good in my body. And so that was very
Speaker:powerful for me to want to stay sober. So the
Speaker:podcast just came about as part of this greater step
Speaker:into working more with sober women are working more with
Speaker:women who are under a lot of chronic stress or
Speaker:anxiety. I work frequently with women in the corporate sector
Speaker:as well, even if they don't have the issue with
Speaker:alcohol, it's almost this addiction to high achieving or addiction
Speaker:to like work and stress where, where we get so
Speaker:used to it, that it becomes part of our identity
Speaker:is what I've seen with a lot of the women
Speaker:I work with.
Speaker:They were like, well, if I change my job, I
Speaker:don't know who I am. So it was kind of
Speaker:a long answer. But
Speaker:So it's interesting to hear, you know, from your own
Speaker:personal experience, how that grew into what you're talking about
Speaker:now and the people who are helping no through the
Speaker:show. And I, I know like some of the people
Speaker:who have spoken to what would have been sort of
Speaker:in a green room prior to a show, the Gordons,
Speaker:for example, we have spoken about the impact at COVID
Speaker:nineteens had on people's mental health and they are the
Speaker:stress levels. And some of that is done to the
Speaker:fact that know a lot more people are working from
Speaker:home for the first time to find that it hard
Speaker:to switch off because they don't have that dedicated 9:00
Speaker:AM star, a 5:00 PM cut off point. Now you're
Speaker:driving home commute and or whatever. Is, is that something
Speaker:that you have possibly found, you know, the last few
Speaker:months a are people who have spoken too on your
Speaker:own show that stress levels are increased in as a
Speaker:workload, et cetera, and creases over the last few months
Speaker:because of the pandemic and the fact that we've got
Speaker:more time to allocate to work that we wouldn't normally
Speaker:do.
Speaker:I think so. I mean, definitely I think yes, overall
Speaker:stress has been pretty high on a global scale. And
Speaker:I think part of that is that we have, what
Speaker:do you think about it from a trauma perspective and
Speaker:trying to like orient to the threat of like what's
Speaker:coming for us and there's no real visual thing to,
Speaker:to orient to where to find her. So it's, it's
Speaker:like we are trying to place ourselves in relation to
Speaker:this, the scary thing or this threatening thing. But I
Speaker:love the way I love your point about working from
Speaker:home because that's huge for people. And particularly I, I
Speaker:tend to work with women, not exclusively, but primarily, and
Speaker:I'm working with women who have children in our home
Speaker:and are trying to do their busy jobs in yet
Speaker:also caretake all the time.
Speaker:I know that's been incredibly stressful for people as well.
Speaker:And in some of the things that I encourage people
Speaker:to do to speak to your point of their home
Speaker:all the time. So we can just go on into
Speaker:the Knight. It can start earlier or there isn't the
Speaker:same constraints or bookmarks of like I start work and
Speaker:I end to work. So having people, if they can
Speaker:to set aside a space in their home, even if
Speaker:it's just a, a table somewhere and that's just designated
Speaker:for work. So to have a particular space that's just
Speaker:around work and you don't sit there and do other
Speaker:things, if you can. And I know not everyone can
Speaker:do that, but if you could even have like a
Speaker:small quarter, that's just for work and I've been doing
Speaker:that myself, because I'll notice the same thing where it's
Speaker:10 o'clock and I'm doing this or that for my
Speaker:business.
Speaker:And I'm like, you'd have to stop. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:Now I know you had mentioned earlier and put the
Speaker:guests that you've been having on and the conversations we've
Speaker:been having on the show. And I noticed that there
Speaker:was looking at your episodes. You are up to episode
Speaker:30 to 43 at the moment
Speaker:Is 33 was the last one. Yeah. And
Speaker:It looks like you've got to have a solid mix
Speaker:of, of health professionals. I'm and then what I will
Speaker:say is normal everyday people, even though they're well known
Speaker:in there, the field was that always the goal to
Speaker:have a mixture of health conversations, as well as creatives
Speaker:and professional people, or did that come about organically?
Speaker:I think it did come about organically. I really, my
Speaker:goal would go in into it was to provide the
Speaker:listeners a wide range of perspectives on how to move
Speaker:forward in life. And in the beginning it was more
Speaker:recovery focused. I had more kind of recovery coaches or
Speaker:people like that on, and people are talking about their
Speaker:own recovery journeys, but as it's expanded, like I was
Speaker:saying earlier, I've re I've really enjoyed the opportunity. And
Speaker:I know my audience does too to have these people
Speaker:from the, from all these various fields and levels of
Speaker:experience and expertise that aren't necessarily tied into the recovery
Speaker:community, but that do offer it a different perspective on
Speaker:what life could be like.
Speaker:And for me personally, I really like talking to people
Speaker:who are living there, their inspiration, you know, and who
Speaker:are working in a field of their inspiration because I
Speaker:think that just gives the rest of us the ability
Speaker:to see, Oh, this is possible for me. And Oh,
Speaker:I can follow some of these things that call to
Speaker:me
Speaker:And, and speaking to have the guests there's a, as
Speaker:we imagine it had been a wide variety with a
Speaker:very open door Topics at a time how it been
Speaker:in, not just try, put you on the spot or
Speaker:anything, but it, has it been possibly like an episode
Speaker:it's been really stood out R or impacted you a
Speaker:lot of the shows that you have completed so far?
Speaker:Well, that's such a great question. I don't think anyone's
Speaker:asked me that before. You know, I don't know I
Speaker:have my favorites. I do have some where I just
Speaker:really not, you know, not because anyone is better than
Speaker:anyone else, but I've had guests that I've just really
Speaker:enjoyed it and gotten a lot out of Kirsten. Johnson
Speaker:was one of them. She lives over in Bali and
Speaker:has this book called the heartgasm revolution. And she is
Speaker:big in the sober community, but I just loved her
Speaker:story. And her vibe is so infectious. And I feel
Speaker:like she is one of those people that's really embodying
Speaker:what she's, what she was preaching and you know, what
Speaker:she's working with. And that was, she was just a
Speaker:delight to speak with. But I had Jason Stephenson who
Speaker:is someone I've really admired for a long time.
Speaker:And I love his work. He's a meditation coach and
Speaker:it's a pretty big on YouTube. And, you know, my
Speaker:mom loves them, which was, it was exciting for her.
Speaker:She was character to interview him in. So that was
Speaker:neat. And he was just a lovely guy sometimes is
Speaker:in the same thing with Bruce Perry where I'm a
Speaker:big fan of his work. So it was neat to
Speaker:just sit down with the person. I don't know if
Speaker:those have been hugely impactful on my own personal life,
Speaker:but I do get something out of everyone I speak
Speaker:to. And I think it really does draw back to
Speaker:what I was saying earlier that seeing people that are
Speaker:really living their dreams and are really inspired and motivated
Speaker:in their work is definitely just a catalyst for me
Speaker:to continue with my own journey and hopefully for the
Speaker:audience as well.
Speaker:No, I know. I mean, I'm really jealous that she
Speaker:lives in Bali. I did a fly over there once
Speaker:when I was in Australia many years ago and it
Speaker:was only there for the evening, but it was just
Speaker:an incredible Island. And so I'm super jealous, a lot
Speaker:of lives there.
Speaker:And I know, I know it's me too. It's coming
Speaker:up on the list.
Speaker:Yeah. Now you had mentioned that the, the podcast I'm
Speaker:sprung from your own personal experience and you're on a
Speaker:sobriety journey from, in the last few years, what do
Speaker:you feel is the biggest hurdle to overcome an addiction?
Speaker:Whether its, you know, substance abuse, alcohol abuse, et cetera,
Speaker:is there, or is there something that you find is
Speaker:sort of a, you know, a similar obstacle for most
Speaker:people are and how do you help with that overcoming?
Speaker:Yeah, I think that's a great question as well. And
Speaker:you know, I don't know if there's any one biggest
Speaker:thing. I think You, I could speak from my own
Speaker:experience. Like I really had to get over the idea
Speaker:of, of like being able to moderate or being able
Speaker:to control my drinking. And I had to just accept
Speaker:that. Like I can't like alcohol is not for me.
Speaker:It's just not, I can't drink if I do it
Speaker:just goes bad. And I've proven that because I've done
Speaker:a lot of research in that area in, and my
Speaker:personal life, but it's not something that I can do
Speaker:in some people can, some people can moderate and be
Speaker:very well. But I think you have to really take
Speaker:an honest look at yourself and if it's something, whatever,
Speaker:whatever the thing is, if its something that you is,
Speaker:if it's negatively impacting your life and that could be,
Speaker:maybe you have a glass of wine a night, but
Speaker:if that's keeping you from reaching your creative potential and
Speaker:you feel like you could really do more in an
Speaker:offer more and be more in your life and that's
Speaker:keeping you from that.
Speaker:And then you gotta be really honest with yourself, of
Speaker:what role is this substance playing for you or what
Speaker:role is this behavior playing for you? And I think
Speaker:if you can get honest with yourself on that, that
Speaker:then seek out community, seek out some kind of support
Speaker:and help around it. Whether that's a counselor, whether it's
Speaker:working with the coach, whether it's a sub kind of
Speaker:a group recovery program, there's tons of different options for
Speaker:people now or around things, alcohol and in particular I'm
Speaker:quite aware of because that's the field, where is that
Speaker:I work in, but there's a million different options because
Speaker:a lot of people will say, well, I don't want
Speaker:to go to a 12 step thing and that's fine.
Speaker:There's like 10 other things you can go try, but
Speaker:you've got to try something and, and building that community,
Speaker:I think as essential, whoever that's with, but just to
Speaker:be around other people who can relate to what you're
Speaker:going through, relate to what you've gone through.
Speaker:I think that helps. It's huge. It's huge for recovery.
Speaker:I know I've got a, a friend who, you know,
Speaker:there's about his own alcohol addiction. And one of the
Speaker:things that he constantly said, what was the point you
Speaker:made about having that community and network around? You have
Speaker:people that are, have either experienced it previously or are
Speaker:currently experiencing it because they can really get in to
Speaker:know what you're going through a, B or C or
Speaker:a partner or a colleague got a friend or anything
Speaker:may not be able to understand what you're going through
Speaker:and give you bad advice. Even though the things that
Speaker:are giving you a friendly, you have a good advice.
Speaker:Absolutely. Absolutely. I've had some women who are, who have
Speaker:wanted to kind of question their relationship with alcohol. But
Speaker:one of the women that I'm working with currently, she
Speaker:mentioned, Oh, you know, this, this person who is close
Speaker:to me in my life and told me, Oh, but
Speaker:you never really had that much of a problem. You
Speaker:never heard anyone. You never were driving drunk or anything
Speaker:like that. But she knew that it was really detrimental
Speaker:for her. So I think if you know, inside, like
Speaker:it's not always good to listen to those people that
Speaker:are saying, well, maybe it's not that big of a
Speaker:deal because they know they don't live within you. So
Speaker:just trust yourself a bit around that. If you, if
Speaker:you think it's a problem and try not doing it,
Speaker:that was a wonderful piece of advice. Actually, a friend
Speaker:gave me, he was like, just try this for six
Speaker:months.
Speaker:You could always go back to drinking. And that really
Speaker:made it very possible for me. And I liked that
Speaker:perspective and I share that frequently because it takes this
Speaker:scary nature of all my God, I have to change
Speaker:this forever, but you can do six months. Most of
Speaker:us can look at that time period and say, okay,
Speaker:this is doable. Why don't I try this? Why don't
Speaker:I do some research with being sober and see what
Speaker:that feels like?
Speaker:Right. And I know what the, and I think a
Speaker:lot of that comes down to like, certainly I, I
Speaker:look at the UK, which is a very big drinking
Speaker:culture of drink and mindset of culture. And I compare
Speaker:that to see enough for America and what we've Canada,
Speaker:the us, and its very different in the UK get
Speaker:celebrated, you know, you know, they, you, unless you have
Speaker:a beer on hand or something, it's like a, so
Speaker:it's interesting to me, you know, I came to Canada
Speaker:a 12 or 13 years ago almost I'm and it's
Speaker:been interesting two to continue your watch, my friends back
Speaker:in the UK and their behaviors and how that is
Speaker:so different over here.
Speaker:Is it different in Canada? What's it like there with
Speaker:the, with the drink gain?
Speaker:It's a weird in Canada because it's got the cannabis
Speaker:act sort of a weird halfway house between the UK
Speaker:and the us. I think, you know, it's like a,
Speaker:were closer to the UK than the us and mindset,
Speaker:but we are closer to the us and a lot
Speaker:of things. And so we think there's definitely a, a,
Speaker:a, a particle to hear, but I think Canadians are,
Speaker:do a better job at managing it. You know, they
Speaker:don't have bars up until say 4:00 AM or a
Speaker:24 hour nightclub and et cetera that you have in
Speaker:the UK. And I think that definitely, there's not like
Speaker:a, a pub scene, like in the UK that is
Speaker:very much a Pepsi and you know, every, a lot
Speaker:of time has got it's at least two or three
Speaker:pubs on the same street. Its crazy. Whereas here is
Speaker:not so much. I think that helps for sure.
Speaker:Hmm, definitely does. Yeah, I would think so. So,
Speaker:And the podcast and it was there because obviously you
Speaker:had mentioned that you started a podcast to eat, you
Speaker:know, learn from your own Joan and share your lessons
Speaker:and help women who are looking to become sober or
Speaker:continuing on a journey of sobriety. What, are there any
Speaker:sort of obstacles that you've had to overcome as a
Speaker:podcast that are coming in at the space, talking about
Speaker:something that some people might want to hear about or
Speaker:talk about?
Speaker:Yeah, definitely. It's a little scary, particularly the first couple
Speaker:episodes where I sort of shared my story and I
Speaker:think also getting over the hurdle of being able to
Speaker:interview people and speak articulately, there is certainly an art
Speaker:that comes with that and in time helps a lot.
Speaker:And I've noticed more frequently. I have been guessing on
Speaker:more podcasts and really sharing a lot of more of
Speaker:the details of my own story. And I went back
Speaker:and listen to one and I definitely had a moment
Speaker:of 'cause. I know my mom has listened to it
Speaker:and I had this moment of like, wow, that was
Speaker:really pretty raw and vulnerable. I just shared all of
Speaker:that in this very public space. So some of that
Speaker:will come up and I think as long as, you
Speaker:know, for me, as long as I'm feeling quite grounded
Speaker:in true to myself, that it's it's okay because I
Speaker:think being vulnerable and sharing these experiences are what really
Speaker:can help other people to know, okay, I'm not alone.
Speaker:Other people have gone through this and they've come out
Speaker:the other side, you know, and they are not still
Speaker:stuck and this really miserable place of, of addiction. Right.
Speaker:I know you had mentioned the, the first few episodes
Speaker:of what about yourself and, and your role, you had
Speaker:lessons of the podcast as well. So if you were
Speaker:to give advice like on a piece of advice for
Speaker:either someone is looking to get into podcasts then, or
Speaker:a health professional like yourself or someone has got your,
Speaker:you know, your, a similar story too yourself, and he's
Speaker:looking for an outlet. And what would be your piece
Speaker:of advice for someone looking to begin?
Speaker:Well, I recently learned Libsyn as far as a podcast
Speaker:host and I did my podcast on Ankur and there
Speaker:is a, I'm still currently hosting it there, but I've
Speaker:recently learned a bit more about why that is not
Speaker:the best platform and other platforms. So I think doing
Speaker:a little bit of research, actually on the mechanics of
Speaker:what is a good platform, talk to other podcasters, and
Speaker:anytime you want to start something new, talk to somebody
Speaker:who has been doing it and he was doing it
Speaker:well and ask them questions. But I think don't overlook
Speaker:some of those technical things as well. All of it,
Speaker:especially if its a project that you'd like to start
Speaker:and, and carry through for a while and see if
Speaker:you can begin on a platform that's going to grow
Speaker:with you and sustain you. So speak with someone who
Speaker:has been doing it at someone like yourself, or do
Speaker:you know, there's so many people that are doing podcasts
Speaker:and doing quite well, but ask questions and get started
Speaker:to like, don't be afraid you can order really basic
Speaker:equipment, very inexpensively.
Speaker:That sounds good. So don't get hung up on the
Speaker:technical things, but getting advice from someone who has been
Speaker:doing it is always a good way to start when,
Speaker:when you are beginning a new journey or a new,
Speaker:a new task.
Speaker:Yep. Yep. And I like the thing that you mentioned,
Speaker:you know, it is great to start on something like
Speaker:anchor and that's what I started off. We are back
Speaker:in the day and it's a really easy platform get
Speaker:and that let's, you know, what I did, is there
Speaker:something that I want to do, you know, in two,
Speaker:three, six months time, et cetera. And now you can
Speaker:start to, as you mentioned, you know, start to wear
Speaker:headphones and know why you should be wearing the headphones
Speaker:when you, you know, speaking on a podcast or during
Speaker:the recording. And so just to, just to switch it
Speaker:off a little bit, what's M and I'm in that
Speaker:may not even be an answer and that's perfectly fine
Speaker:because they know you are a very, open-book when it
Speaker:comes to beat yourself up to show up, et cetera.
Speaker:But what might be something that not a lot of
Speaker:people know about you that may surprise them?
Speaker:Oh, that's a great question too. I am such an
Speaker:open book. When I lived in Hawaii, I was a
Speaker:semi-professional fire dancer and belly dancer. And I think some
Speaker:people know that I used to belly dance. I've done
Speaker:a, a body of research around it as well, but
Speaker:I don't really do the fire dancing so much anymore.
Speaker:But when I lived over there, that was great. I
Speaker:had this group of women and we would book parties
Speaker:and we got paid. And that's what I say my
Speaker:professional, because it was something that we were making money
Speaker:for her and it was so much fun and a
Speaker:lot of people are doing it more. Now I see
Speaker:a lot in my neighborhood here in ocean beach, there's
Speaker:a big fire community and it was pretty cool, but
Speaker:I like to think we were a little bit cutting
Speaker:edge back then because it wasn't so, so widely popular.
Speaker:That was a ton of fun. It's really neat to
Speaker:work with fire and to have that elemental nature while
Speaker:you're in a really in your body and, you know,
Speaker:moving on the earth and you know, Hawaii has such
Speaker:a magical place for all of that to happen. So
Speaker:go ahead.
Speaker:Well, it is fire dancing work. I see. And also
Speaker:the ballet dancers and I seen people are like, walk
Speaker:over the coals and a bit fire dancing. What is
Speaker:that look like?
Speaker:Mmm. So there's a couple of different ways. Like some
Speaker:people will have the long staff's and then there's different
Speaker:kinds of wicking material. You can put it on each
Speaker:end and I know Canuck is one type and then
Speaker:there's another type where I forget the name of it,
Speaker:but it's like a substance. You can dip it in
Speaker:gas, there's white, you can use white gas is what
Speaker:we used to use and then you light it. And
Speaker:so it will burn, but it'll say contained and that,
Speaker:you know, WIC primarily. And so you can have a
Speaker:really big week and then you get a really big
Speaker:flame where you can have a smaller, umm, and I
Speaker:learned with
that region from the Pacific Island region. I think maybe
Speaker:Simoa and I might be saying that wrong. So I
Speaker:apologize if I am, but its like to change and
Speaker:then you have a little ball's at the end you
Speaker:can kind of switch them around and dance and it
Speaker:was fun.
Speaker:Yeah. It's a lot of fun. So it's neat to
Speaker:work with you.
Speaker:Was there ever any accidents when you have a little
Speaker:bird? Hi Scott,
Speaker:But nothing major. No. And, and I think for those
Speaker:accidents you learn really quickly what you shouldn't be doing
Speaker:and just ways to be careful and you know, take
Speaker:precautions.
Speaker:No, that's cool. I think the sound of that I
Speaker:I seen people that you mentioned, I'd seen people with
Speaker:the, the ones that are hanging door, like Macy's old
Speaker:sort of a medieval Macy's. We have the balls and
Speaker:fire at the end. So he was swinging a boat
Speaker:throw up there and catch and it was pretty cool.
Speaker:So a little bit. All right, well, Dr. Alice I
Speaker:really appreciate you coming on to the show today. It's
Speaker:been a real interesting conversation and I know people would
Speaker:take a lot of weight from, from the topics you've
Speaker:been talking about for anybody that wants to learn more
Speaker:either for themselves or for our partners, our family, et
Speaker:cetera, about either addiction, recovery. And you know, we have
Speaker:to listen to your shows about these topics or et
Speaker:cetera, where is the best piece of a place for
Speaker:people to find you?
Speaker:Sure. So I'm really active on Facebook. Alice Kerby there.
Speaker:You could also check out my website, which is Kerby
Speaker:method consulting.com. Now I have an Instagram presence two, which
Speaker:is Dr Dr Alice Kerby but on Facebook I'm on
Speaker:there pretty regularly. I do it a lot of live
Speaker:videos. I talk about some of the trial trauma healing
Speaker:work and just different ways too, to change our relationship
Speaker:with stress and anxiety. I'm an integrated our nervous system,
Speaker:things like that. But yeah, my website's got a lot
Speaker:of all my links and everything as well.
Speaker:Okay, awesome. So what I want to make sure that
Speaker:I drop all of the, the links to your show,
Speaker:the website at Facebook etc. And the show notes. So
Speaker:if you listen to this on your podcast, be sure
Speaker:to check the show notes so we can direct your
Speaker:path to where to find out Dr. Alice. So it's
Speaker:a safe, I really appreciate your coming in today. And
Speaker:what are your plans for the rest of the day?
Speaker:I get a little more work to do and my
Speaker:partner has the day off. So I'm hoping I can
Speaker:get him out to the forest to go for a
Speaker:hike.
Speaker:You had mentioned that hiking, that it's, that's a big
Speaker:thing. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. I love it. That's what I'd been doing a
Speaker:lot of during Covid. So there's an area we discovered
Speaker:recently that actually has trees, which for Southern California is
Speaker:a bit of a rarity. So I'm hoping I can
Speaker:take him there this afternoon.
Speaker:Well, that's cool. Hope you enjoy it. That we've we've
Speaker:got the kids that they're just doing some schoolwork at
Speaker:the moment and I hope to be doing some school
Speaker:work at the moment. I don't know what they're doing
Speaker:in this half hour. I will pull up on it.
Speaker:That's a good sign. Well, that's important, right? Unless they
Speaker:will make it a huge mess somewhere else we can
Speaker:find out. Well, hope you enjoyed your hike. And as
Speaker:they say, I really appreciate you coming on. It's been
Speaker:a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so
Speaker:much for having me. Okay. You guys know this has
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