Timothy Schultz:

Sean McNamara:

Great. Thanks for having me on, Tim. It's a pleasure to be here.

Timothy Schultz:

Thanks for joining. It is so fascinating that you are into remote viewing. Your team actually successfully remote viewed the Pick 3 Lottery in the state of Colorado.

Sean McNamara:

Timothy Schultz:

Absolutely. When this did happen and you did all of this preparation and were successful the two times, how did that feel, the moment that you're doing this and it actually worked?

Sean McNamara:

It was like "Yes!" We were really celebrating. We were so happy and just a lot of joy. I think that's important because there's an energetic and emotional component to the transfer of psychic information, I believe. One basic concept or principle that I tell people is when we're trying to predict or use remote viewing, when you're successful, go ahead and celebrate. Bring all the emotion in. Maybe when you were doing your viewing, that emotionality behaved like a magnet or like a transmitter sending the information back in time to the time when the viewer was trying to perceive "What am I going to see?" I also say if we don't succeed, if it's a total flop or whatever, don't get heavy emotionally. Don't make it a big deal. You might be training yourself to always focus on the times when you don't succeed because of the weight of that emotion. If you don't succeed, try and stay as neutral as you can. But when you do succeed, go ahead and celebrate. Put that charge of the emotion into it, because that might be the reason beneath everything why the information transfer occurred so well.

Timothy Schultz:

Sean McNamara:

We've tried a few more times just for fun here and there and haven't won. I have this feeling, and it's not just because of those attempts but because of other things I've experienced, that there's something bigger at play here with psychic functioning. I think typically people think if we're talking about telepathy, it's between me and you and it is just a two-person project. That's it. Or if it's remote viewing, it's between the team members or the team and the person who selected the photos and it's small like that, but I think there's something bigger at play. That's this ocean of information that we're all swimming in all the time. I mean non-physical information, information on the psychic level. I think it's part of a larger system of consciousness that some people might call God. Others might call it higher consciousness or higher self. In my book, I refer to it as The Great Mystery because it is a mystery and it is great. There's a third actor in what's happening here, and it's that larger thing. What I've come to develop as a personal belief, which could be totally wrong but I hold it as a personal belief, is that the larger consciousness system has a purpose and that purpose is the production of meaning. Let's think about the solar system. We've got the sun, the planets, moons, asteroids. The human brain, and perhaps maybe we could say some animals' brains, can produce meaning. I'm sure primates have a sense of meaning. I'm sure people would argue that their dogs can have a sense of meaning. I don't know about cats. They're on the fence. The animal brain is the most complex, most sophisticated, most powerful computer, at least in our solar system. We can set any discussion about aliens or non-human intelligence aside for now, but let's just say that it's our brains that produce meaning. If living creatures didn't exist on Earth and it was just rocks out in space rotating around a large nuclear reactor, the sun, there would be no meaning because the meaning is produced inside these three pounds of gray matter inside our skulls. Why are we here? Why do we have these brains? I know that the brain also doesn't like the unanswered question of why. We're storytellers. We come up with stories to answer that question. For me, the story is part of why the universe came about in such a way that we developed over millions of years to produce brain structures to create meaning. Yet, the universe is very efficient. It doesn't like wasting energy. I think for maybe me and my friends who do these psychic experiments, the universe is complicit in helping us succeed sometimes to produce the meaning. "Hey, you guys used associative remote viewing to predict a Pick 3 lottery a couple of times. That's great. What meaning did you get out of it? Did it deepen our friendship? Did it show us something about a deeper reality?" Yes and yes, and then we kept trying. I think at that point, the great mysteries might have a feeling like "Isn't twice enough? Why do you guys keep doing this over and over? There are other things for you to discover. Please let it go. Move on." Of course, I'm anthropomorphizing the universe here and giving it a human personality, but I'm just boiling everything down for a simple explanation. I think meaning is produced with the involvement of something bigger than ourselves for a reason. Then when we try to push it, it might say, "That's just not going to work for you that way anymore." Maybe it's moved on, or maybe it's encouraging us to move on. Maybe it'd be a problem if I got really good at winning that way with my friends all the time. Maybe it's not part of our life course or our karma, or however way you want to describe it. That's the story I tell myself, which may or may not be true. There seems to be something about, especially right now, what's happening in society with more and more people learning about psychic abilities. When they tune into that, and maybe they have a personal experience that's verified or they feel acknowledged, meaning is produced in that too. They hear on a podcast that someone's having a certain experience and they've had something similar. That feels really good. It could even be healing for them. Maybe they were ostracized from their family because of what they experienced, kicked out of their church, rejected in some way. There's a lot of meaning in healing. I think that's why, especially because of the help of the internet and people like you who are helping this knowledge get out there, people are getting more in touch with this deeper aspect of reality. There's so much meaning being produced among humans because of that. I think within that sphere, it's not always going to work because maybe there wouldn't be that much meaning produced or maybe it's just not part of what's in the cards for people involved.

Sean McNamara:

Timothy Schultz:

How are they sending it back to the past? Are they doing that because the emotion is so strong? How is that happening?

Sean McNamara:

Timothy Schultz:

Why would it stop it? Why would it be stopped by this?

Sean McNamara:

Because maybe it's just not part of our life path. Maybe we're at that phase where no new meaning would be produced from winning yet again. Maybe we were being encouraged by something bigger, "Don't focus on us. Focus on something else. There's more. This isn't what it's all about."

Timothy Schultz:

That makes sense.

Sean McNamara:

Do you want to do an experiment with telepathy?

Timothy Schultz:

I would love to.

Sean McNamara:

You're going to be the receiver. You're going to be the sidekick here. Actually we both are because I'm going to be sending you the information. You're essentially trying to read my mind. What I'm going to do is I'm just going to draw three cards from this deck. I don't know what they are. I'm just going to draw one of them and I'm going to focus on it. While I'm focusing on this, I would like you to just relax your mind. Don't guess. Be a little curious though about what I'm experiencing, what I'm seeing. I don't want you to guess. I know I already said that, but I really want to affirm that. Don't guess. You might get a sense of a color or a feeling. If you think about your five senses, including what you might see with your eyes, what's coming? Don't try and tell me what I'm looking at. Try and tell me the aspects of what I'm focusing on.

Timothy Schultz:

I have to empty out the ego here. A baseball bat.

Sean McNamara:

Instead of saying something like baseball bat, I want you to say how would you describe a baseball bat? What's it made out of?

Timothy Schultz:

Wood.

Sean McNamara:

What color are they typically?

Timothy Schultz:

Brown.

Sean McNamara:

That's how I want you to describe the things that come to your mind. You can just set everything aside that's come to your mind. Do a clean start.

Timothy Schultz:

What I saw initially was a fish. What I saw was a fish in a tank. I don't know if it was in a tank but that's what I saw, swimming. Just the image of it popped in my mind.

Sean McNamara:

What would you associate with a fish in a tank? What's another component there?

Timothy Schultz:

The water, waves, swimming. Now I'm guessing.

Sean McNamara:

Blank slate again.

Timothy Schultz:

I don't know if this is what it is. My mind is assuming things now with water. I'm just thinking waterslide, pool, that sort of thing.

Sean McNamara:

You've given me several things now that could connect with a target that I've been focusing on. One way we could do this is I could just show this to you, or I could shuffle. I'm going to put it back on the table and shuffle the cards. I'm going to flip them all over because you might immediately know that's the one, or you might choose a different one for a different reason. Recall the things you said to me and tell me which one do you think matches the words that came out of your mouth.

Timothy Schultz:

Definitely I think the waterfall.

Sean McNamara:

Do you even see something that's rectangular and brown and made out of wood?

Timothy Schultz:

Looks like there's a log, a tree that's down there, yes.

Sean McNamara:

And you've got a pool of water here.

Timothy Schultz:

And a pool of water. I see the brown.

Sean McNamara:

So you got it. Some of the viewers might say, "Sean, you kind of led him along with the whole fish tank and water thing," but it's a teaching moment. When you do this with friends, you wouldn't do those kinds of cues. Clearly, this is very different from these other two and you did use descriptors, adjectives that match this.

Timothy Schultz:

Yes, and I saw the water running down, like a waterslide. That's really interesting.

Sean McNamara:

Downward moving water.

Timothy Schultz:

All these characteristics that I saw, it's just a coincidence they all happen to be on this? I don't know.

Sean McNamara:

They weren't on these two, so good job. That's a hit.

Timothy Schultz:

Thank you. You mentioned earlier that sometimes there's guesswork. You're hoping that people won't just use guesswork, that they'll actually tap into this sort of thing. Whether this is with lottery numbers or with anything in life, how do you differentiate between imagination -- you are fond of the Eiffel Tower, you love Paris. How do you differentate between that popping up in your head and what's actually going to happen?

Sean McNamara:

It's a really subtle feeling in the mind. With practice, people can get better differentiating when the mind is guessing and when they're following the instruction to be a blank slate. When someone's guessing, they can feel it because they're mentally reaching out. If I say I'm going to show you your feedback image at 1:00, they're probably somehow mentally trying to go to 1:00 to see. At the same time, they know it's a picture of something and then their brain is just going to start coming up with stuff. If they follow the instruction of "Write down the coordinate that I give you that represents what you'll be shown. Just focus on that strongly for a few moments. Set your intention to receive information, but after you set the intention, let it go. Just relax. Don't reach with the mind. Don't do anything. Just have a blank, open mind. When unusual things start to appear in your mind, especially the things that don't make sense, because that indicates that your left brain thinking is not getting involved, especially if it doesn't make sense, write that down." That indicates this is irrational information, this is raw psychic information. The left brain or the rational part of the mind is not trying to put things together in a way that makes sense, because that contributes to guessing. If I were to make a line drawing of a seagull, it's two arches. If someone were to see a shape like this, but instead they wrote down "It's the McDonald's golden arches," they're guessing now. They're naming instead of describing what they saw. They should have just drawn what they saw, because maybe it's a seagull. Maybe it is the golden arches. Maybe it's something else with that shape. They should just stick to the raw information that doesn't make sense, because once they start trying to make sense, they're guessing. Their brain is trying to fill in the gaps. It's best to just be open and wait for any strange image or sound or taste or a sensory thing, an emotional impact. Anything that seems to come out of nowhere and doesn't make sense, trust that. But if you're like, "Oh, it's the McDonald's golden arches," don't trust that. You're naming it. All you want to do is describe with adjectives and adverbs. Keep it to adjectives and adverbs and you'll be safe. But if you start labeling with names, that's guessing. You've done so many interviews with lottery winners who received their numbers in a dream, the dream state. Someone's asleep and they're very passive. The dream comes to them. They're not producing it consciously. The brain is producing it, but it's mediating probably a psychic impression from the future giving them the numbers. Their ego, their personality, mind, is not reaching out on purpose to "I'm going to go out and get those lottery numbers." They went to bed, they had a dream, and they passively received the information and then wrote it down or remembered it somehow. Then they go buy a ticket and they're lottery winners. That's similar to the state of mind you need to have during a psychic perception exercise. Have no expectation. In fact, don't even care if you're right or wrong in the end. No expectation. Set your intention. Let it go. Be open, be patient, and then take note of the unusual experiences arising in your mind at that point.

Timothy Schultz:

There's this letting go that seems very, very important. I was reading your latest book, Telepathy Training. There was this experiment with someone that you had this wardrobe box and there was a clown head in it. One of the experiments that's so interesting is that someone had this precognitive dream about this with stunning accuracy, but what happened with that? Can you explain that?

Sean McNamara:

It's one of the more fun psychic exercises that I can do when we have a lot of time together. I do it on my intensives called What's in the Box. There are different ways to use psychic perception with this exercise. Imagine that you're a participant and you're in the room. I'm here with a large cardboard box and I tell you "There's an experience inside this box, and you are going to have the experience in about 45 minutes." Right now, I want you to take out a pen and paper and you could do one of two things. You could try and put your attention on the box and try and perceive using clairvoyance what's in the box. What did Sean put in there? The box is big enough that it could be something small or something big. It could be multiple things, but there's something in there. Try and see inside the box, or you could use precognition, so seeing the future with auto telepathy. Try and receive information that you're sending yourself 45 minutes from now. I'm going to open this box and do something with the stuff inside of it to give you an experience. Try and center your mind or try and receive from the future what that experience is, and write that down right now. Then everyone in the room does. There's another way to do this. People the night before could have gone to bed with the intention of dreaming what the experiences that they would have the next day, so they could try and use dream precognition also. For those people, that morning they came in and I collected their dream journals. You saw from the book there were a couple of dream entries that were pretty darn good. Then the time comes. I've collected everyone's transcripts. I did this twice. You were referring to the one where I open a little window in the box, and I had hung a mannequin's head with a clown's wig and a big red nose on it just for the shock value to increase the emotional intensity. Then I emptied the box and I handed out clown noses. There was one of those circus tents that you could buy at Ikea for children to play in. We put together this circus tent. I started playing circus music in the background. There were a bunch of colorful scarves and people were throwing scarves up in the air, juggling and dancing in a conga line in a circle, throwing the scars back to the person behind them as they go. We just did this for 10 or 15 minutes or so to create the experience, and then we could match that up with what people wrote down 45 minutes before or that morning when people woke up from their dreams and see how they connected. As you see in the book, there are several hits. It's just a unique way for people to experience clairvoyance, dream precognition or auto telepathy, another form of precognition.

Timothy Schultz:

When they are tapping into that through the dream, I know some people with that experiment even had a line, a conga line, or something that was pretty accurate. The drawings of that that are in there are really interesting. They're getting this from time not being linear. Is that correct?

Sean McNamara:

It's the principle that the whole experiment finishes at the end when they see what's happening. It's a weird logic. It starts in the future. That's when they send the information back to the past to when they're trying to perceive what will be happening in the future. It's just a hypothesis. We don't really know what's happening. Maybe time works in a more complex way. Maybe it's not unilinear and maybe it's not bilinear. Maybe it's bigger than that. We experience time generally the way we do because of the way our brains are designed. Our brains filter our reality to make it seem a certain way, but of course, reality exceeds the bounds of our physical brains. That's why we can experience so much more that transcends time in the dream state, or in the out-of-body experience during lucid dreaming, during near-death experiences. Time does not behave the same way it does while we're wide awake, healthy, with conscious, well working brains. It's very limited right now while we're sitting here in these chairs.

Timothy Schultz:

Was there a moment for you where you started to think time maybe isn't linear? Is there something in your life that made you really start to question that?

Sean McNamara:

I think every time I do one of these psychic experiments, it adds more to it. One thing that stands out is during the beginning of my psychic exploration, my very first focus was in attaining the out-of-body experience, because I had a fear of death ever since I was a kid. I had appendicitis and it burst while they were taking it out. I was under but they told me afterward, "You were lucky, kid. You almost didn't make it." Back then, if it burst, it could cause infection so it was dramatic. To a seven-year-old, that's a dramatic thing to hear. From that point on, what is this thing about death? Does something continue? I was raised in my family's religion, which didn't work for me. I tried another one. That didn't work for me. I was like "If I can have an out-of-body experience and be conscious outside of my physical body, that will bring me solace that something continues after we die." I read books about it and trained myself over and over. After a few months of a lot of training, I had my first out-of-body experience and I felt released from the fear of death. I don't want to die. I'm still scared of dying, of course, but I have a little more confidence that it's not the end. The point is, in the out-of-body experiences I had, I noticed the experience of time being very different from when I'm back in my body. When I'm out, it seems like a whole lot more is happening. Time dilates. Then I come back to my body, look at the clock and it's like "I wasn't out for very long according to this time," but while I was out, a whole lot happened. We hear the same thing from a lot of people's near-death experience reports. Perhaps they're a drowning victim and they're brain-dead for a few minutes, and then they're resuscitated by paramedics or in the hospital. When they become conscious, they say, "I was in heaven for three weeks" or something like that. Time operates differently.

Timothy Schultz:

Is there an example that you actually experienced? I'm sure there is, but what happened with you?

Sean McNamara:

Just in the out-of-body experiences that I had while I was training to have that. For about a year or two, I kept training and kept having them. Every time, it just felt like time, when I'm in that state, operates very differently. That was the main experience for me. Second to that is these remote viewing experiments, just the fact that people can perceive events and experiences outside of the line of time, so not in the present moment. Also, it works backwards too. I could give someone a target. Maybe it's a video of me traveling to another city and I'm looking at something, so something that already happened. I say, "Here's a coordinate and it represents something that happened to me in the past." They could very well do a transcript that matches. We can call that retrocognition, just to be clever. Instead of precognition, retrocognition. They can perceive things that already happened. They weren't there, but it happened. They can get that information from where? From The Great Mystery, from that big database in the sky, from the Akashic records. There's so many different ways people refer to that, and I'm not really sure what that is. There's just no way to know.

Sean McNamara:

I feel like at this point in humanity's development, we're just starting to dip our toes in. We're having a lot of experiences, but we don't really know what's happening. At least the general public doesn't know. Maybe there's a lab somewhere or some government group or some billionaires funding some great experiments and getting some good information. It's like we know how to drive the car, but we don't know how the engine works.

Timothy Schultz:

You mentioned earlier near-death experiences, and some people that have died and their consciousness lives on. I've interviewed people that have done that as well, but also some lottery winners that believe and they say, "I had this dream about my grandmother. She told me to go check my ticket and then I won several million dollars" or "I had this experience where this loved one that's departed came and showed me these numbers and then they happened to come up," things like this, but it goes way, way beyond the lottery. Is it possible to get information, in your opinion, from people that have crossed over if there is no time that have passed away? You have an experience with your father, so what are your thoughts on this? How is this possible and what happened with you?

Sean McNamara:

I've heard this from other people. I'll just tell my story. My father died a couple of years ago. I play guitar badly, but I love it. One night after he passed away, I'm just playing guitar, sitting on the floor of my office, thinking about my dad. Then I go to sleep that night and I have a strange dream. It doesn't feel like a regular dream. I'm pretty much lucid in it. It means I know I'm dreaming while I'm dreaming. In this dream, my dad and I are hanging out. We're going for a walk out in the woods, in the mountains. He looks a lot younger. He's beaming with happiness, which was not his typical state. There's just so much joy in that experience, which is unusual, and then the experience transitions. We're walking through his neighborhood where him and my mom have a house. I follow him inside their house and we go up the stairs. I think he's going to his bedroom at the end of the hallway, but he doesn't. He turns into this other room that in waking life is always locked. It's my mom's junk room. Sorry, mom. She kept her house very clean, but this room is where she can just let everything be chaotic. She keeps it locked because she doesn't want people to see it. I haven't been in this room for a very long time, but I'm pretty sure it's just messy. In this dream, my dad goes in that room and I follow him in. As I walk in, he's standing to one side surrounded by boxes and a mess. He's holding a guitar in his hand like this and he's smiling at me. Then soon after that, the whole experience fades. I instantly wake up my eyes in bed, and I'm like "What was that?" Later that day, I actually go visit my mom in the house. We're just having coffee in the kitchen, and I keep thinking about the dream. I said, "Mom. I had this dream. Dad and I went into your room. Could you unlock it? I just want to go in there and check it out," so she does. She gets the key and unlocks the door. She's a little bit awkward about it. She doesn't want me to see the mess that's in there, but she lets me in. I walk in and it's a mess. There's a pile of boxes. I look over to where my dad was standing in the dream and there's a small pile, and sticking out the top is the neck of a guitar. I rush over and I pull it out. It's like a scene from Excalibur playing Sword from the Stone. I pull out this guitar. I've never seen this guitar before in my life. It's not my guitar. I didn't know the existence of this guitar, but here I'm holding a guitar just the same way my dad was holding it the night before in the dream. It even gives me chills now thinking about it. I had snapped photos. I wanted to show my wife. I ended up putting the photos in the book, but what is this? Until I went in that room, I thought the reason I dreamt of my dad holding a guitar was because I'd been playing the guitar the night before so the association extended to the dream state, but no. There is an actual guitar in this room that I haven't been in a very long time, a guitar I did not know existed. It turns out it's a guitar that my mom had bought for one of her grandkids a long time ago, but clearly the grandkid was not playing it because it was here in her junk room locked away under a pile of stuff. My hypothesis is that my dad on the other side used my association with the guitar as a strong opportunity to communicate something to me. Perhaps on the other side, the people who are there have a much greater and clearer vision of what's happening in this reality. From wherever he is, he could see there's a guitar in that room. My son was playing guitar the night before. I can work with that. I'm going to do this dream thing and connect all the dots to make the point that, "Hey, I'm fine. Life goes on, and I love you because I made the effort to do this connection."

Timothy Schultz:

When this happens, where does this come from? When you have an experience where you are communicating with or receiving information from a loved one or someone that has crossed, did you really release yourself where you've been in this relaxed, meditative, out-of-body state or did it just come to you unintentionally? Where does come from, do you think?

Sean McNamara:

I wasn't trying for it. It was totally unexpected. I'm not a particularly psychic person. I'm good at teaching this stuff. I'm a good teacher, but I'm not a super psychic or anything like that. I do want to say that in the times of my life just generally when I've had good psychic experiences, I wasn't trying. I wasn't expecting it. It just happened. I think that's because my ego is out of the way. We're just open. Maybe that's when The Great Mystery is like, "All right, something's going to happen now because he's not getting in the way. Let's make a connection here." I wonder if that's how it is for other people. That's why some psychic experiments are really difficult, because people are trying to make something happen on purpose. It can still happen depending on the person, but it can make things more difficult. That's why I like to train using relaxation, to just let go, just let go, let go. Try and enter as much of an open state as you can as if you're not even trying, and then you're more likely to succeed. That's also just a hypothesis because maybe there's some people out there who can try very hard and they succeed too. I really try and be careful not to state things with any finality like "This is how it is," because I don't know that for sure. We're still in early days about knowing what all the rules are with this stuff. It's awfully fun to experiment. There's so many different things to try.

Timothy Schultz:

Absolutely. Within the book, you wrote about luck a little bit. Some people are just lucky people and they tend to win lots of prizes. They're multiple-time lottery winners, or people just have things go their way. Why do you think this is? You wrote a whole section on them.

Sean McNamara:

I call it the lucky thread of auto telepathy. I'm not a very lucky person, but I have very lucky people in my life. Rather I should say I have very successful people in my life. I think luck and success can go hand-in-hand, people being in the right place at the right time, also people having the right attitude. My hypothesis again with how someone becomes a lucky person is let's say there's a person in the present, but there's a version of themselves in the future. This relates to something called the block universe theory, that past, present and future are already existing at the same time. If you imagine the universe like a big block of Jell-o and I stick my finger in the Jell-o over here, that's me in the present. I could also poke my finger in the Jell-o over here, and there I am existing already at a future moment and also one for the past. People can Google block universe hypothesis or whatever. They'll get more explanation there. Here I am trying to decide, should I take the job or keep looking for another job? Here I am in the future, in a future where I did take the job, and it was the best decision ever. I'm trying to decide here in the present, should I or shouldn't I? This wave of information from the future is coming back saying, "Yes, take the job, take the job," and something in me is sensitive enough to pick that up. I say, "Okay, I'll take the job," or even being at a traffic stop. The light's green. Should I go? Something tells me to stop. It's funny. Someone crashed into me a month ago because she ran the red light, and I didn't get that signal to don't go. I've heard people have those reports. I should have gone. The light was green, but something told me to stop. Their future self saw that someone was speeding going the other way, and if they had gone forward, they would have had a collision. But instead, they got to experience the relief of not having gone forward as soon as the light turned green. Should I go on a date with this person? Should I not? Should I marry them? Should I take the job or not? Should I go to Paris for vacation? Maybe there's a reason I shouldn't. Should I get on the plane? What if there's always a future self and we're reading the right decisions, and somehow instinctively we're following in their tracks going the right way, the happy way, the fortunate way? That's trainable because if we use the principle of emotion can help the energy transfer, what if a person wanted to become luckier? The guidance I would give, which is unproven but it's the best that I can do, is every time you do something, every time you make a decision and it's the right decision, do something to celebrate at least mentally inside like "Yes, that was it." Try and send that back to your earlier self when you were trying to decide what to do. Just send it back, like "This was the right thing. Yes, go left. Marry her. Yes, take the job in Florida. Do it. It was the best thing." Practice celebrating with the intention of sending the information back to your past self. At the same time, when you're trying to make a decision, practice taking a moment to listen with the mind. What would my future self be trying to tell me? You're trying to be a sender and a receiver at the same time. You can't really go to the future and do the thing, but what you can do is every time you make the right decision, celebrate, feel the emotion, and intend to send it back to yourself. Any time you're trying to make a decision, try and be a good listener, listening to messages from the future. Basically, trust your gut as part of this process of celebrating the wins. It would take practice, but maybe over weeks and months, if not longer, maybe you start to notice that your life gets luckier. You just tend to make the right decision more often than not. I'm sure it's not a perfect system, but it's easy to try, easy to practice, and it's free. Using your intention and your emotions in a clever way, what if it could bring your life more happiness and fulfillment?

Timothy Schultz:

I love that. It makes complete sense. I actually had an experience once with a car accident. I had this very vivid dream. I just want to get your take on this. It was so real that I was in this horrible, horrible 10-car pileup. I was in this huge accident. I was supposed to go on a road trip the next day, so I thought about should I go or not go. Then I decided to go anyway because I had this dream that felt so real, but I thought "I'll just be extra careful. The weather looks fine. I'll just be extra careful." I went and then was in this huge 10-car pileup, and there's nothing I could do about it. It was just the wrong place at the wrong time. This thunderstorm came out of nowhere. Everyone was tailgating. It was in the middle of this big city. It pretty much totaled my vehicle. From that, I guess the takeaway would be because I didn't listen to it, that practice, the fact that I know it was something but it's just the practice. Is that what I'm hearing? The more experiences you have, that you take note of this and you get better and better.

Sean McNamara:

Yes. You're touching on something super important that we haven't talked about yet, and that's trusting yourself. Maybe you went forward anyway because you didn't quite trust the dream enough, which is difficult to do. I'm supposed to trust a dream? Are you kidding me? It's understandable. Why would you do something based on a dream? You have evidence now that tells you your dreams are delivering accurate information to you. Can that part of you deep down inside that doesn't believe in any of this stuff be set aside while the other part that's starting to develop trust in the dream, it starts to become the decision maker? I have both sides in me. Every time I do a psychic experiment, half of me is like, "This is BS," and the other half is like "Come on, Sean. How many times have you seen this work? How many times have you seen people succeed? Trust it." I'm always terrified when I'm doing a psychic experiment. What if it flops? When there's other people involved, they always succeed. Thank goodness. We have to work that out within ourselves. When people do remote viewing or clairvoyance or telepathy where it involves writing something down that they will compare to the result at the end, it's predictable every single time someone will see the target and say, "Oh, I wanted to draw this but I didn't think it was real so I didn't put it on the paper." That's a trust issue. They're not trusting the very weird and awkward things that are arising in their mind. Some people don't trust their dreams. They have to go through this a few times before they realize, I better start listening, start trusting.

Sean McNamara:

Let's say you did trust your dream, and you either delayed your departure by an hour or two or didn't go that day or didn't go at all. You never see the 10-car pileup. You're nowhere near the storm. You might be likely to say, "Did I just miss an opportunity for no reason at all? Am I being silly here? Should I have gone?" The only way you'd know I made the right decision is because you see the 10-car pileup on the news or something. More often than not, we make a choice and there's no way to get the evidence that it was the right choice because maybe it's not even as obvious as a dream of a 10-car pileup. Maybe it's just a feeling in your gut like, "I shouldn't get on the road right now. I don't know why." What if you choose "I'm not going to get on the road today. I'm going to stay home," but you never see anything on the news that tells you why you made the right choice. All you can do is trust that "I am okay. I'm safe, but did I waste an opportunity by not getting on the road?" That's the hardest part about trusting this process. When you're right, there's no feedback to give you that evidence. You just have to trust again. I think it was the right thing.

Timothy Schultz:

For you personally, how did you remove the doubt? Just from all these experiences that you've had, how did the doubt leave you early on when you were starting this?

Sean McNamara:

I have two different and opposing answers to that. One is just lots of practice, lots of experience. That part of my brain that's a doubter, it has to collect evidence that I can trust it. Luckily, I have a great group of friends that we practice this stuff with each other a few times a year. My brain's collected that evidence that stuff is real and I can trust it more and more, so just training over and over, doing experiments over and over again to get that stubborn part of me to start believing. That's one answer.

Sean McNamara:

The other answer is no, I still don't trust it. There's that moment of distrust and I have to release it. For me, it's disguised as fear or anxiety or potential embarrassment. It boils down to I come with distrust. I have to take a moment and go, "Sean, you're doing that thing again of not trusting yourself. Come on, Sean," and then just relax, just trust. Remember what it feels like when it goes right. Give it another chance, and it's okay if it doesn't work out. It's okay. It's good to have a lot of humility when doing psychic experiments. It's a problem to force that you're right when you're not. Then that self-aggrandizement, that ego is starting to get involved. That's kind of yucky, so I try and avoid that.

Timothy Schultz:

What are some of the most fantastic or impressive experiments, or people that have succeeded in doing this sort of thing? There's a number of drawings that I was looking at of people that were doing this that you sent.

Sean McNamara:

We began the intensive last year training them on how to perceive simple line drawings, so basic pictures. I train them by getting them to perceive fundamental shapes like square, circle, triangle, loop-de-loop, because basically any basic line drawing is composed of a line or a curve, and sometimes they lead to a corner. If I can teach them to perceive the fundamental shapes, then that's a stepping stone to perceiving more complex images. The first target that I gave them after that was of two pine trees or Christmas trees with a path in between them. The fundamental shape that's used to compose a Christmas tree is a triangle. I think the first transcript that I saw that I collected from that and that I put in the book is someone wrote the word tree, and they drew a triangle. They also had two other words that didn't match at all, so two non-matching words. One of the words was flour, like bread flour, but then tree and then a triangle and nothing else. If someone draws 80 different pictures on a piece of paper, of course, two or three of them are going to match. We're just playing the odds here. They just had a triangle, and the word tree and two words that didn't match. There were two trees, the fundamental shape being a triangle. That's really good. One of the most impressive ones from the whole intensive though was we did what's called an outbounder remote viewing experiment. Again, this is with auto telepathy because they were the remote viewers, but they were also going to be the outbounders, meaning instead of me showing them a picture at the end, they were going to have an experience the next day. This isn't in the box. I was going to take them somewhere to have an experience. The day before they were to do their transcript, try and perceive what they would be experiencing the next day. The next day, I hired a shuttle. This is in Estes Park, Colorado, in the Rocky Mountains. I hired a shuttle and I took them to the Estes Park tram. This is a tram on cables taking them up a mountain. Every one of them got on the tram in groups, and that was your experience. That was the picture in the envelope, so to speak. While they're doing that, it's like, "All right. Now send the information back to yourself while you're having this." We were there for a couple of hours. Before they went, I collected all their transcripts but I didn't really look at them. I just collected them. Afterward I looked at their transcripts, and one of them was a drawing of a mountainside with cables coming down with a cable car, just like the Estes Park tram. It was dead on. It was amazing.

Timothy Schultz:

For anybody watching or listening to this today, what's your best advice for how to get more in tune with this sort of thing? Is there something that we can do at home that really gets us so that we can get information from our future self or that sort of thing?

Sean McNamara:

I think having a regular meditation practice is helpful, learning how to quiet the mind. In meditation, we still the mind but then we're more sensitive to noticing the movement of the mind. We're so used to noticing the words we want to say and listening to other people or seeing things visually, especially because of social media and scrolling. We're very attuned to that, but it's very gross material. It's not subtle at all. It's right there. When you learn to meditate, you start to perceive that there's a whole lot more happening in the mind than just what we see on a flat screen or what we hear with our ears. There's a lot more happening in the thought process. Some of that is in the physical brain and some of it might be coming from the non-physical ocean we're all swimming in. Meditation makes us more sensitive to that stuff, but it doesn't have to be the quiet type of meditation either. People could practice entering a flow state. They can do that through sports, running, cycling, or things that combine athleticism and concentration, snowboarding, archery, things that help you concentrate and relax at the same time. When you're snowboarding moving down, the worst thing you want to be is stiff. You need to be relaxed. Your body's moving as a wave when you're moving from the toe edge to the heel edge. The softer and more flexible you are, the better you can move down the mountain. That's why entering a flow state, maybe through a physical activity, maybe even something like Tai Chi or Qi Gong, balance of concentration but relaxation and openness, having some kind of practice like that primes us to being more sensitive to psychic information coming in. Also, practicing dream work or lucid dreaming. It could be as simple as this: write down your dreams every morning. Some people might say, "I don't remember my dreams." One is if you're smoking a lot of cannabis, that wrecks your REM state. You'll notice if you stop the cannabis, your brain catches up. You'll have a lot a vivid dreams right away. It could be kind of weird. Not a judgment against cannabis. I'm just saying so many people use it these days and they report dreaming less or not dreaming at all, so you have a decision to make there. For anyone else, if you think you don't dream, that's not true. The REM state is a part of every cycle of sleep through the night. We sleep in cycles of 90 to 110 minutes. As soon as we fall asleep, the REM stage is small. In the early hours of the morning, after we've slept five or six hours, the REM state, which is when we dream, is really big in that 90-minute cycle. Whether or not people remember it, we all dream. It's part of the normal sleep cycle. A person who doesn't remember the dreams could start by having a journal and a pen on their nightstand. As soon as they wake up, write down how you feel, write down the fact that you don't remember your dream, and write down that you want to remember your dream the next night. Just keep doing that. One day, you'll wake up and go, "I did remember something. My sister was involved." Just write down your sister's name. You got that. Within days or weeks, you will start remembering more and more because of your intention to remember. Soon enough, you'll be at the point of remembering three or four unique dreams from the same night. It's just a practice of journaling your dreams every morning as soon as you wake up. If you do that, you're automatically training yourself to be sensitive to subtle arisings within the mind, because that's what dreams are. You're automatically becoming more sensitive to the subtle arisings from psychic information.

Timothy Schultz:

I love that. Actually, I do write down dreams. I write down the meaning of it, not necessarily what I saw. Would you recommend doing that? Also, if you take a sleep like melatonin or something to get to sleep quicker, does that impact your ability to connect with? A lot of people, especially in America, use different sleep aids to connect with this sort of thing.

Sean McNamara:

I have not read any scientific studies about that. I don't have a lot of personal experience with melatonin, but I do have some. I know that groggy feeling, that heaviness. That's why I don't use it more than I have in the past. I don't like that feeling. I like sleepy time tea, a good chamomile or a warm glass of milk. Everyone has to decide if you're using something to help yourself sleep. Notice how it affects your dreams, and then you have a choice to make. Maybe you need to try a different kind of sleep aid and see if that helps. But if you're really attached to melatonin, just try the practice of journaling. Continue using melatonin and see you can strengthen that muscle of remembering your dreams. Then there's no problem. You can use whatever sleep aid. Even cannabis users can try this technique if they're using cannabis to help them sleep. Don't give it up. Try the technique of journalling first, and maybe you can do both. That's the best, if you can use your sleep aid, whatever it is, and strengthen the muscle of memory. It might take a little extra work, but it could work. I don't know.

Timothy Schultz:

It's very interesting. First of all, where can people find more about you? Where can they find your books? We have Telepathy Training. This is your latest book, but you have all kinds of books. Where can people find more about you?

Sean McNamara:

The best place for my psychic work is mindpossible.com. All my books are listed there. I have online courses. I have a huge training intensive coming up in September. There's still some spaces left. I'm co-leading it with someone named Wendy Gallant who trains people to see without their eyes. That training is going to happen there. It's a specialized form of clairvoyance. It's amazing. I'll be focusing on teaching telepathy. All that's at mindpossible.com.

Timothy Schultz:

That's fascinating. We will link to that in the show notes if you're listening to this or in the description if you're watching this on YouTube. Sean, I greatly appreciate your time today. It's so interesting. Is there anything that you want to say today that I don't know enough to ask or that you just want to say?

Sean McNamara:

One thing I've been saying a lot lately, because I've had this realization for myself, is it's okay if someone thinks that they're not very psychic. Going back to that earlier message about the universe wants us to produce meaning, there are limitless ways for us to produce meaning in our personal lives. Because the psychic thing is becoming very hot on social media, people tend to compare themselves to others or want to compete or get more psychic. That could lead to a lot of disappointment, like you're not good enough. I really want to help people not have that experience. Personally, I love teaching psychic potential, but I'm not particularly concerned with my psychic ability. Right now, I'm concerned with learning how to play the banjo. Seriously. That's what's giving me an immense amount of meaning in my personal life, making music. I want people to feel relief. It's like, "Those people are really psychic, but I'm not." It's okay. We're all intrinsic members of this universe. We all have unique lives to live, so pursue where your heart leads you. It might not be playing the banjo and it might not psychic stuff, but follow your heart. That'll be where you find the most meaning in life.

Timothy Schultz:

That's beautiful. Thank you very much, Sean. I really appreciate it.

Sean McNamara:

You're welcome.