In this episode of Retromade, we travel back to 1992 for a psychological thriller with our everyman, Kurt Russell, as well as the very talented Ray Liotta in Unlawful Entry!

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Hello.

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Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to Retro

Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Let's continue the exploration of the

best of the eighties and nineties and

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our ultimate everyman with the 1992

psychological thriller, Unlawful entry.

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I am very excited to have a

returning guest with me today.

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We have coming back for the second

time on Retro Made, Sean Malloy

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from the I Must Break This podcast.

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How are you?

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Sean: I'm doing well.

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Thank you for the for the invite.

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Today I was looking at it and

it's been well over a year

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since I was last on your show.

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So, thank you for

graciously inviting me back.

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I've been looking forward to this one.

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Katie: Yeah, actually.

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Yeah.

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It's been over a year.

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May was my year anniversary for

RetroMade and you joined on one of the

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very first episodes for Tango and Cash.

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So everybody check that out.

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And before we get into our

discussion, tell us about where

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things stand with, I must break this.

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And where we can find you

what's going on, Sean.

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Sean: well, I mean, it's kind of

bittersweet to be perfectly honest,

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but I think I think it's fair to

say that the, I must break this

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podcast has kind of come to an end.

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Maybe I don't want to say it's

a definite end because Mr.

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Lundgren still has.

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A couple films that are that

are in the can, but you know, I

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mean, I've gone 108 episodes and

I feel like I've gone the gamut.

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I've looked at the highs and the lows of

this films and I've gotten to interview

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just a ton of a ton of really cool people

who've gotten to work on these films.

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And you were actually gracious enough

to join me for what is my guess

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final episode for the time being,

which is the Rocky IV Director's Cut.

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And I just felt like, you know,

coming full circle, I felt like

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that was a really good film to

kind of close out the show on.

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So, like I said, I don't want to

definitely say it's been put to

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bed, but You know for lack of better

terms, I think at this point it is

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going to be coming A bit to a halt.

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I know he does have a documentary that

is in the works or actually it's in

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post production So I will be doing an

episode covering that but that's it's

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kind of up in the air on when that's

going to be released So, , our Rocky IV

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Director's Cut episode I'm planning on

releasing probably at the end of at the

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end of June, beginning of July or so.

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Katie: That's probably about

when this will come out.

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So it'll work out.

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Thanks again for joining me.

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Sean: Yeah, of course.

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Katie: Let's start by opening

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We covered over 30 movies on

RetroMade and doing the time

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capsule of the prime time.

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TV, we've already covered a lot of it.

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So I provided you with the list

of what was going on at the time.

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in June 1992.

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We already covered this particular

season, the 91 92 season in the City

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of Joy episode, but are there any that

popped out at you that you want to

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share any thoughts or fandom about?

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Sean: Well, I mean, you know, 1992

in terms of in terms of television

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was a really interesting time.

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I mean, this is, of course, pre

internet, so what we had on TV was

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pretty much what we had to entertain us.

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I don't think children nowadays

really get the same kind of excitement

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out of television that we had.

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You know what I mean?

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They have the TOK and all sorts

of things that were not meant

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to understand us old people.

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Right.

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So, yeah,

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1992 was interesting because I mean,

if you can just go back to that

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time, I mean, it's really weird.

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I was talking about this with my wife a

couple of weeks ago, but it's really kind

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of crazy to think that TGIF was a thing.

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Right.

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You know, that families all sat

around the TV on Friday evenings

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to watch the new lineup of a

TV shows, you know what I mean?

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We just don't get that nowadays.

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Nowadays, Fridays is kind of known as

kind of like the wasteland where they

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dump reruns and all sorts of stuff.

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But on that list that you sent me, I mean,

one of the big shows that stood out to

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me it's kind of weird to look at nowadays

was home improvement, okay, because.

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By all intents and purposes, Home

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Improvement is,

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it was not a good show.

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You know, to be perfectly honest,

it was really corny and really lame.

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The entire conceit is just kind

of absurd to be perfectly honest.

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I guess not that absurd compared

to other things that we saw.

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But you know, what's funny is they

still air reruns of it on some of

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the local antenna networks out here.

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And you just watch some

of the episodes and

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it's like,

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This lasted eight seasons?

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But it's and it's the same joke.

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It is the exact Tim Allen is telling

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the exact

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Katie: right.

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Sean: every episode

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Katie: It is odd that it was so popular.

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It was totally lame.

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What was it about it?

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Sean: I yeah, I don't know.

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I mean, I guess you know, Tim Allen's

um his his shtick was I mean it was

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funny for what it was and I think that's

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But Man, I mean and if you look

at it, I mean, I remember What's

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interesting is I remember the first

couple of seasons I watched with my

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family because that's what it was.

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It was a family sitcom, right?

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And then

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as I

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started getting older, I kind

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of grew out of it.

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And what's weird is the kids in that

show started growing, getting older.

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And I feel like with every sitcom,

when the kids get older, that's when

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it really starts to kind of lose its

steam and it kind of loses its luster.

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And I remember when the kids started

getting older in that show, the

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storylines really weren't clicking and

the kids were kind of, through these

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growth spurts where they are kind of

looking a little funny and awkward

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and their voices are a little off.

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And it was again, doing that same joke.

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I mean, you know, they

can only hide Wilson.

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Remember Wilson, the character,

they can only hide his face so many

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different ways.

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Katie: Yeah.

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The fence.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Sean: episodes where like at a Halloween

party, he'd be wearing a mask, or

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I remember there was one where he

was talking on a cell phone and he

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was covering, you know, his, I mean,

people who are listening, can't see

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it, but he had a cell phone up on one

ear and then he was covering his mouth

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with his hand with the other hand.

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And it was like, guys what

are we doing at this point?

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You know?

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Katie: Yeah, Like hacky almost, but I feel

like a lot of guys like dads liked it.

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I don't know if they related to

Tim or what, but it was really

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popular, but you're right.

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It's not a very good

show, but we all know it.

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We know it very well.

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Yeah.

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Sean: definitely.

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So, but yeah, that was the one the big one

that kind of stood out to me on that list.

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You mentioned you mentioned Roseanne.

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Roseanne was, of course, a juggernaut.

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And I think, you know, in hindsight, if

you look back upon it, I think one of

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the big reasons why home improvement was

the success with it, that it was because,

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you know, that's something else to that.

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I mean, if you want to go down

this rabbit hole, that's something

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else that we just don't get.

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Nowadays is.

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A show would be a successor.

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It would at least get another

season or at least get eyes on it.

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If it was on a night where a popular

show was on, you know what I mean?

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And so if you think about it, like NBC,

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Katie: The lead in

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Sean: NBC, they had friends

and they had Seinfeld.

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And if you remember, this was must see.

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What was it called?

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Must see TV and know what

they did Thursday nights.

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But what it was

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funny is,

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Katie: yep, on Thursdays.

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Yep.

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Sean: that's what they did is

they had friends at the seven

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o'clock hour and then they had

Seinfeld at the eight o'clock hour.

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And so whatever they put in between

was guaranteed to get watched.

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It was guaranteed to get watched.

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And I feel like with home improvement,

ABC did that same strategy.

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I remember it was Tuesday nights.

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They had Roseanne.

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They had home improvement.

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Okay.

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Those are two juggernaut television shows.

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And so they would they would

kind of test the waters and put.

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programming on in, you know, in that

evening between those shows, not

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many of the shows were very good.

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We're very memorable to be perfectly

honest, but I do remember that.

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Yeah.,

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Katie: I'm glad you brought Roseanne

up because I just covered in my

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last episode, which was 3 wishes.

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Have you seen Three Wishes?

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Probably not from,

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Sean: No, I haven't, but I do distinctly

remember it coming to theaters and

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it coming out and getting released.

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And I remember it.

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I don't

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remember hearing

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anything bad about it.

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Katie: No, it was actually really good.

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It's just for whatever

reason didn't get seen.

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I actually do really like it.

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but in that episode, so you guys go

back and listen to episode number

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31 Three Wishes, and I did a whole

Roseanne retrospective on that show.

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So yeah.

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All right.

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Well, thanks for that home improvement.

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Yeah.

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Wild times.

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Sean: Yeah.

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Katie: Should we move on to the Billboard

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Sean: Okay.

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Okay.

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Katie: This is very 92.

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Like all of these are very 92.

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So the number one song is

I'll be there by Mariah Carey.

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Classic.

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Everyone knows that song.

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Number two song is Baby

Got Back by Sir Mix a Lot.

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I have this cassette tape.

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I loved it.

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Like the single.

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Sean: Do you remember?

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I mean, this is kind of going,

this is going back a bit, but I

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remember going to a music store.

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It's actually really kind of cool.

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I'd love, you know, a lot of people

ask if you could go back in time.

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This is one of the things I'd love to

to see, but do you remember going into

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the music stores and they're just being

walls upon walls of cassette tapes?

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Do you remember how they would line

them up and how they would like,

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because it was

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Katie: Yeah,

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Sean: you know,

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to display a cassette tape.

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So it would be on a wall and just,

you would have just three, four walls,

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just full of these kids set tapes.

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And they would all be

in alphabetical order.

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And you go down.

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I, I only bring that up because

I remember I had That single is

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that cassette type single as well.

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So

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Katie: you did.

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Sean: yeah too much to my parents

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dismay

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Katie: What about, did you have,

yeah, I love, I still like it.

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I also had the number four song.

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God, this was hitting when I was

in like grade school, crisscross.

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Jump.

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Remember them?

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Sean: that was their

only hit too, wasn't it?

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like they

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Katie: they maybe had one other, but Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sean: Yeah.

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No, I remember

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boy, Wearing pants backwards

and baseball jerseys backwards.

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That was one thing that just

didn't catch on did it like

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Katie: no, I think one of them died too.

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It was like two Chris's.

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Both boys were named Chris.

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One of them was like Daddy

Mac, one was Mac Daddy.

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I don't know, it was wild and I

thought it was cool in like 5th grade.

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Whatever, however old I was.

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Sean: yeah,

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Katie: Sophie B.

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Hawkins has the number five song this

week with Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover.

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That was a huge song.

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It's pretty good.

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Did you, I mean, I guess you were a young

boy, so maybe you didn't care for it.

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Sean: no, I don't remember that one.

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So

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yeah, sadly sadly that one got lost

on me, but no, crisscross definitely.

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I remember Mariah Carey was was,

you know, she was, was she coming

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onto the scene at that time?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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She was starting to become a thing.

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Yeah.

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Katie: like 90, early 90s, because before

then she had Oh, I forget the name of it,

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but she was like, she had made it in 92.

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She was big.

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Sean: Yeah.

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Katie: So damn.

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I wish I was your lover with

Sophie B Hawkins and Vogue

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has my loving with number six.

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You're never going to get it.

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I'm sure, you know, they just

basically say that the whole time.

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Never going to get it.

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Never going to get it.

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Sean: Yep.

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Yep.

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No.

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Katie: Celine Dion.

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Sean: Yes, I remember her.

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You know, it's funny because I remember

being I was at that particular summer.

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My parents are both working.

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So I was at a YMCA

summer camp all day long.

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And so I remember a lot of people,

especially the, or a lot of the kids that

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were there, especially the the young girls

all had their Walkman cassette tapes.

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so these songs that you're

mentioning here, they had those

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like a library in their backpack

that they would be popping in.

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So, yeah, this is, it's

all coming back to me.

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Thank you.

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Katie: Well, speaking of,

it's all coming back to me.

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That's another Celine Dion song,

but the number seven song that

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she had this week was called.

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If you asked me to.

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And then you're bringing up that memory

of all the girls with their cassette

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tapes and their Walkman's this.

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Is wild.

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I had kind of forgotten the

phenomenon that was Billy Ray Cyrus

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in 1992 with achy, rachy heart.

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Sean: Yeah, and it's so funny you

mention that because I saw on a,

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why these things make the news.

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I have no idea, but I saw that speaking of

Billy Ray, I guess he recently filed for

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divorce from his wife of about six months.

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And I don't know if you've seen

pictures of Billy Ray Cyrus

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now, I guess he's channeling Rob

Zombie or something like that.

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I mean, he looks completely

different than he did.

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1992 than he did when he was

doing like Hannah Montana.

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Like he is completely, I mean, I'm telling

you, he looks just like Rob Zombie.

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It is pretty insane.

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So

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Katie: What?

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I did not know that.

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I didn't even know he

had gotten married again.

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Cause he was with Miley's mom for

a long time and they divorced,

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I want to say not that long ago.

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Like, within 5 years or something,

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Sean: yeah,

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Katie: so then you're saying

he has remarried someone else

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and it lasted all of 6 months,

and now he looks like a weirdo,

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Sean: all of six months.

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Yes.

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And weirdo is saying it is saying

it lightly, but he's made more

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money than I'll probably ever see.

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So who am I to to

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Katie: you know,

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Sean: Mhm.

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Katie: rocking that awful mullet.

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it was, not a good mullet.

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I hated it so much.

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I never understood.

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I did not find him attractive.

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In 92, but apparently

everyone else on earth did

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Sean: Yeah, it was the mullet.

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it was the

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mullet and the tank top.

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That, he

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had the

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Katie: Yes.

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Sean: off shirt, right?

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Katie: Yep.

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That's true.

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And the number nine song is

called Tennessee and it's

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by Arrested Development.

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I don't remember that song, but

I know Arrested Development.

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And then the number 10 song is a combo.

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We have the best things in life are free.

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And this is by Luther Vandross

and Janet Jackson with.

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B B D.

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Bell, Biv, Devoe.

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I think that's B B D.

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Yeah.

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I can't really picture that

song either, but all of those

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people are very well known.

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Sean: Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I mean, when you, when, I mean, I

can't, I couldn't tell you a single

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song by Belle Viv DeVoe, but I do

know Bill Bellamy went into acting

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and has starred in quite a few movies.

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So.

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know, so there's that,

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but,

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Katie: News and

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events.

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I don't know why I found this funny, but

this movie came out at the end of June.

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And one of the things when I was

looking at what was going on, in the

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world is that it snowed in Colorado

and we both live in Colorado.

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So I thought I would mention that to you.

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A lot of times it snows in May, like

on Mother's Day, it tends to snow,

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but apparently it was like kind of

a big deal that it snowed in June.

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Sean: I don't remember that at all.

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I, which is kind of surprising me.

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You think I would, but you know,

there's the statement only in

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Colorado, that's the one, that's one

statement that I've never liked as old.

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You know, 80 degrees one day,

snow in the next only in Colorado.

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It's like one Colorado native

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joke that

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Katie: It's not only in Colorado.

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Sean: liked stop it.

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Whoever tells that joke, stop it.

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It's not funny.

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Katie: If you don't like the

weather, wait five minutes.

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That one too.

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Sean: goodness.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Katie: I'm not a native,

so I didn't live here then.

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Are you a native?

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Sean: yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Katie: Oh, I don't think I knew that.

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Sean: So, yeah, so I've seen all the

blizzards that are pretty historic.

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Actually I was born one of the most

historic blizzards in Colorado.

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The Blizzard of 82.

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That's when I was born actually.

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Katie: Really?

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Sean: with, yeah, that was that was a

pretty, that was a pretty crazy one, but.

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Katie: I very vividly remember

this next one being in the

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news and it being a huge deal.

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This is just wild to me.

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Because we have such a different

news environment now, or media

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environment, I should say.

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Do you remember when Dan

Quayle spelled potato wrong?

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Sean: hmm.

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Katie: For an elementary school in

Trenton, New Jersey, there was a

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spelling bee that he was a part of, or

I don't know, overseeing or something.

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And he was relying on a faulty card

apparently and erroneously instructs

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the student to spell potato with an E.

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Yeah,

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Sean: Yes, yes.

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I mean, it's one of those things.

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I mean, man, I feel like all

presidents always have those

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things to be remembered for.

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And it's just kind of crazy that is one

of the one of the things that his legacy

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will always go down is with potato.

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I guess it could be much, much worse.

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But yeah, I do remember that.

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I mean, that was like a

late night punch line.

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For the next two to three years, you

know, whether it be on on the the

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tonight show on on SNL or whatever,

it was always it was always mentioned.

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So, yeah, that was another one

I completely forgotten about.

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Katie: That was wild that

it like made the news.

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So also in June of 92 Evander Holyfield

beats Larry Holmes in 12 rounds

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for the heavyweight boxing title.

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And 2 skeletons were excavated

in, I'm going to pronounce this

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wrong Yekaterinburg, Russia.

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So.

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these skeletons apparently were

identified as Tsar Nicholas, the

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2nd and Tsarina Alexandra, which I

remember in grade school, hearing

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a lot about the Tsars of Russia.

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Also, I don't know why that was

very much a part of the talk.

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Sean: Wow.

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And seeing, I don't remember really any

of that, which is kind of sad, but thank

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you for, for this history hour, you

know, I totally don't remember any of

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that.

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So

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Katie: Well, you probably

won't remember this.

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I did not remember the next one.

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I'm aware of it, but I didn't

realize when exactly it happened.

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And I'm very into mob movies and

stuff, but real life Mafia boss John

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Gotti begins his life sentence in jail

for murder and various other crimes.

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June, 92.

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Sean: Oh, okay.

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Oh, and that, that actually, I do

remember that hitting the news.

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Yeah, man, I'm going, I'm just going,

kind of going back and remembering.

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And I'm now thinking about all of

the various movies that have come

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out since then about Gotti and

about his about his imprisonment.

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So

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Katie: Oh, yeah.

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Sean: some are better than

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others.

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Katie: Yeah.

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The next one I'm going to

post to you is a trivia.

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Okay.

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So the, there was the NBA draft.

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I don't know.

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Do you know anything about basketball?

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Sean: I don't follow the NBA in

basketball as much as I should.

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I should, some of my closest friends

do actually, but I probably I, but

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interestingly though, this summer

I did play basketball for the local

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rec league, but that is the last

thing that makes me an expert.

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Katie: You might get it anyway.

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Okay.

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So the player played for LSU

in college and he was the 1st

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pick by the Orlando magic.

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I bet you can guess.

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92.

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Who was it?

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Sean: Is that Shaq?

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Right now.

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Katie: Yes.

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Sean: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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Katie: yeah, Yeah.

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Shaquille O'Neal.

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First pick.

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Sean: He'll always be synonymous with the

Orlando magic for me, as opposed to the

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Lakers or any of the other teams he played

for, because I mean, when he came on the

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scene, he was with the magic and that

was, I mean, that, that was a big deal.

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I mean, I even had the

video game for God's sakes.

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He had a video game where he

was like a Kung Fu master.

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Taking out bad guys.

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It was called Shaq Fu.

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You know what I mean?

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Like the fact, I mean,

that just kind of shows you

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anybody,

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Katie: Why was he a Kung Fu person?

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Sean: I have no idea, but again, that

was the kind of the crazy aura that

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he had, I mean, you know what I mean?

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He was just this pop cultural thing

where he did a little bit of everything.

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He went into acting, he he rapped, he

had a rap album, he had the video game.

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He had all these endorsement deals.

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He was.

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I mean, he was Shaq, man.

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He was great.

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Katie: Well, there was also two

earthquakes in California, including

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the third strongest in the U.

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S.

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ever.

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And one of them was a 7.

504

4 on the Richter scale

505

Sean: Yep.

506

Katie: in June of 92.

507

Sean: hmm.

508

I've heard about those.

509

Yep.

510

Katie: Feel like we don't hear about

earthquakes there as much anymore.

511

Sean: No, yeah, you're right.

512

It's it is interesting how often

we really don't, and then when

513

we do, it's always like a blip.

514

You know what I mean?

515

It's always real quick, and then,

516

Katie: Mm hmm.

517

Sean: I know you're right.

518

Katie: yeah, Again, I think just

the changing like media environment,

519

but there are several weddings.

520

We have TV personality, Steve

Irwin marries naturalist,

521

Terry rains in Eugene, Oregon.

522

And they remained together

523

So, the crocodile hunter

Steve Irwin got married.

524

Sean: Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.

525

But I don't remember him being,

what's really kind of crazy

526

is, I mean, how do I say this?

527

Obviously he was around in the early

90s, but I don't really remember

528

the Crocodile Hunter as we knew him.

529

Really becoming Into my zeitgeist and

becoming like a known figure until the

530

late 90s early 2000s and then in that wild

531

Katie: Yeah,

532

you're right.

533

You're right.

534

Do you remember the Montel Williams show?

535

He he married a burlesque

dancer, Grace Morley.

536

In June of 1992.

537

And they got divorced in the year 2000.

538

Sean: well it was it was probably

the payday loans that he was

539

was that he was marketing she

540

Katie: Oh, yeah.

541

Sean: She

542

probably was not

543

Katie: Or is he into

the reverse mortgages?

544

Sean: that's what it was.

545

Maybe it was.

546

one of those two.

547

So, interestingly though, to kind of

go full circle here and I'm not just

548

saying this to plug my own show but he

does have an acting credit to his name.

549

He didn't, you know, he did the

talk show and everything, but to my

550

knowledge, the only film that he ever

really acted in, he played this gung

551

ho general in a film with with Dolph

Lundgren called The Peacekeeper.

552

That is extremely cheesy and very very

lame, but it is quite easy to find.

553

It's on just about every

streaming service imaginable.

554

So if anyone is curious to see what

Montel Williams how he did in the realm

555

of acting he did team up with with Dolph

for a a very lame movie back in 96.

556

So check it out.

557

The Peacekeeper.

558

Katie: I can about imagine.

559

I'm, my guess is he was

not the best actor, but

560

I could be wrong.

561

Sean: pretty terrible.

562

Katie: So I feel like we already

talked about David Bowie getting

563

married, but this must be, okay.

564

So the wedding that I'm talking about

in June of 92 is that David Bowie.

565

Wed's Somali supermodel Iman, this

time in a formal ceremony at St.

566

James Episcopal Church in Florence, Italy.

567

They must have had another

ceremony somewhere else.

568

And I, I'm just forgetting

because I know we've covered it.

569

But they remained together

570

Sean: Oh, good for them.

571

for them.

572

Yeah I gotta admit, I'm not, I've never

been the biggest David Bowie fan, but

573

I've always, really appreciated his

the impact that he had on not just

574

that genre, but on music in general.

575

I mean, so, so yeah but sadly I've never

the biggest, the biggest Bowie fan.

576

That makes me terrible.

577

Right.

578

I mean, I feel.

579

I feel terrible.

580

Katie: Sean, no, I literally feel

the same way, but it's like one of

581

those things that I don't, I'm like,

I'll just keep that to myself because

582

seemingly everyone, I don't dislike him.

583

I just am not like super into it.

584

You know,

585

Sean: Yeah.

586

So, but no that, that's cool that

they, I mean, that, that's with the

587

way Hollywood and celebrity status is,

it seems like none of those marriages

588

are few of those marriages last.

589

So good for him for for sticking

through all the way till his till

590

his unfortunate and untimely death.

591

Katie: Death did them part.

592

Yes.

593

Sean: Yeah,

594

Katie: before we get into unlawful

entry, I want to briefly mentioned

595

some of the other movies that were

big in the theaters at the time.

596

So unlawful entry was number

9 in the theaters in June 92.

597

These are, there's so many.

598

I remember all of these.

599

We have Batman Returns was the number one.

600

Sister Act, Patriot Games, Lethal

Weapon 3, House Sitter, Far and Away,

601

Alien 3, Encino Man, and Class Act.

602

It's quite a group of movies, eh?

603

Sean: that was, I mean, I'm

glad you brought that up, but

604

yeah, 92 was a huge summer.

605

You're also, I mean, those are the

ones obviously that preceded them, the

606

one that we're talking about today.

607

But a couple of others that came

out that summer that I believe it

608

was, what was the summer at 92?

609

I'm pretty sure it was, but you mentioned

Encino man Polly Shore did another

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one that came out that summer called

son in law, which I will go down as

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saying,

612

Katie: Love it.

613

Sean: day is still a hilarious movie.

614

That's actually a Thanksgiving

staple in our house.

615

We watch that every Thanksgiving.

616

So son in law is great and probably

my all time favorite movie came out

617

in July of 1992 exactly about a month

after unlawful entry, but universal

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soldier Jean Claude Van Damme,

Dolph Lundgren, absolutely amazing.

619

1992.

620

Talk about a hell of a summer,

621

Katie: Sean I'm glad you brought

up Universal Soldier because

622

I had not seen it before.

623

Wildly, I don't know how it missed me.

624

I'm not a sci fi person.

625

I can see why it missed me.

626

But now, as an adult, I don't know why

I never revisited it because I love both

627

of those guys, Jean Claude and doll.

628

And so I had mentioned that

on my show recently, and.

629

Another podcaster who has guested on the

show before, and I've guested on his show.

630

Well, he invited me back to his show

to cover it recently, and I think

631

it, at the time of this recording,

it probably will have come out.

632

And so Zoe from Backlook Cinema

and I check out the episode

633

covered Universal Soldier.

634

It was so much fun.

635

Sean: hmm.

636

It really is an amazing movie.

637

I mean, I look back upon it.

638

I, of course, covered it in my show

and we had some technical difficulties.

639

So it's not one of the best

episodes, but , but no it's amazing.

640

I mean, I don't think I can say

anything more about it than that.

641

Obviously I could, but I don't, I want

to be respectful of your time and the

642

film that we're talking about today.

643

But it really is anybody, I mean, here's

the thing, here's the way I look at it.

644

Anybody who went into the Expendables

you know, when the Expendables movies

645

came out and were so amazed at the

gimmick of putting all these action guys

646

together in the same movie, which don't

get me wrong, was an amazing gimmick.

647

I loved it.

648

But in my mind, I was kind of

like, they already did this.

649

They did it with Universal Soldier and

the edge the Universal Soldier had over

650

the Expendables films is Universal Soldier

pitted these two action guys together

651

But when they were in their prime.

652

Expendables did it, but I mean, they

were all old and they were after

653

their prime and everything like that.

654

Still in amazing shape,

don't get me wrong.

655

But with Universal Soldier, they put

these two meathead egos together in

656

one movie and had them beat the hell

out of each other for 95 minutes.

657

I love it because of that.

658

Katie: Yeah, it was super fun.

659

I very much liked it.

660

And so wasn't sure that.

661

I would just because

he's really into sci fi.

662

So

663

he's trying to introduce

me to more sci fi.

664

And I think he understands

my taste now a little more.

665

Anyway, it was great.

666

But what we are here to talk about today.

667

Is unlawful entry.

668

Let's get into it.

669

The release date was June 26, 1992.

670

It is rated R.

671

The IMDb is a 6.

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4.

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I feel like the last several

movies that I've done have

674

been right around that range.

675

We have Jonathan Kaplan

is our director here.

676

And he produced the series ER

and directed several episodes

677

of that, but he also directed.

678

The accused as well as broke down palace.

679

So that's the director here.

680

The writers are, we have George Putnam and

he is known for his writing on NYPD Blue

681

and Deadwood as well as John Katchmer,

who's not really otherwise known.

682

And then Louis Collick, who's known

for tons of stuff, including October

683

Sky, Domestic Disturbance, Ghosts

of Mississippi, and Ladder 49.

684

The music is by James Horner.

685

Does anybody remember that he's

the Academy Award winner, James

686

Horner, and it's frigging good.

687

It's super good in this.

688

I really liked it.

689

What'd you think?

690

The music, Sean?

691

Sean: I love the music.

692

I mean, there's so much about

this movie to appreciate.

693

The one thing I would just want to say

now before I forget, but one of the

694

things that's amazing about this is

not only did this come out in theaters.

695

Okay.

696

Excuse me.

697

Not only did this, was this

released in the summer.

698

Okay.

699

But this went theatrical.

700

A film like this would not

go theatrical nowadays.

701

A film like this at best would premiere

on like a Netflix or like a streaming

702

service or something like that.

703

When you were mentioning that crop of

films that came out in the summer, I

704

mean, think about just all the different

genres and all the kind of lower

705

budget or mid budget films that we got

that were released in the summertime.

706

Nowadays we don't get that.

707

And you think about it, summer is

pretty much the home for Disney

708

and whatnot, you know, just these

giant 200 million blockbusters.

709

But yeah sorry, that was a side tangent.

710

He asked me about the

music, but no, the music.

711

this film wonderfully because I think

at its core with this particular

712

film, I'm just going to say it.

713

is a pretty kind of lurid, trashy

movie to be perfectly honest.

714

I mean, it is it's pretty trashy in, in,

715

Katie: It's formulaic.

716

Sean: many respects, but I think

the music really really bounces

717

off it all pretty well, you know?

718

Katie: Well said.

719

So James Horner, if that

sounds familiar to Listeners.

720

Yes, he has won Academy Awards.

721

He's very Well, known, but we also

talked about him because he did

722

the music for Uncommon Valor with

our other Everyman, Patrick Swayze.

723

So go back and listen to that

episode if you haven't okay.

724

So for those of you who have

not seen this in 30 years.

725

We have happily married Michael and

Karen Carr call the police after a

726

failed robbery in their Los Angeles home.

727

Before long, officer Pete Davis arrives

and helps arrange the installation

728

of a new security system, taking

extra interest in the couple's case.

729

As a result, the grateful cars

invite Pete over for dinner.

730

And as one thing leads to another, they

strike up an unexpected friendship.

731

However, as the lonely policeman

develops an intense fixation on

732

the cars, Pete's take on friendship

turns into a dangerous obsession.

733

What happens when the cure

is worse than the disease?

734

That's the description.

735

The budget of it was 23 million and

it made 57 million, which is kind

736

of surprising for a movie like this.

737

Like you were talking about Sean

738

Sean: Well, I think there's actually some

739

very clear

740

reasons if you look at the timeline

of when this came out, I mean, first

741

of all, yeah, it's a very modestly,

I mean, by today's standards, but

742

it's a pretty modestly budgeted film.

743

Okay, you said 21 million or whatever.

744

But if you look at the timeline of

745

that we had the Rodney King beatings.

746

Okay, in Los Angeles.

747

And then a year after that, we

had the the trial in which the

748

officers were acquitted, which then

resulted in the the LA riots, right?

749

Okay.

750

So that all happened in the

year that preceded this film.

751

Now I imagine this film was obviously it

was already being filmed or was already

752

in production and everything like that,

but this film came out in the aftermath.

753

Of all of that, and so I think

by the general public especially

754

in Los Angeles police officers

are being viewed as the enemy.

755

a film coming out, okay, in the wake of

all of this, in which the antagonist,

756

the villain, is a police officer who is

supposed to, you know, who's supposed

757

to uphold the law and protect everyone.

758

The fact that he's the villain doing

these things I think it was kind of,

759

it's very unfortunate circumstances,

obviously, but in a weird way, it came

760

out at a time where I think audiences

were more prone to buy a ticket

761

for something like this, you know,

762

Katie: You mentioned Ray Liotta.

763

He plays officer Pete Davis

and he is he plays a delusional

764

psychopath very well in this.

765

Kurt Russell plays Michael Carr.

766

He's our.

767

The, you know, the the every man who

has to fight off this crazy person and

768

his wife is the lovely Madeline Stowe.

769

She plays Karen Carr and you guys

all know her, but She's pretty well

770

known for the last of the Mohicans,

the general's daughter and the

771

TV series revenge from like 2009.

772

I want to, say.

773

Sean: She's married to a Brian Benman.

774

Who, I don't know if you remember

the show dream On from the nineties.

775

It was on HBO, but they've been

happily married ever since.

776

So, fact.

777

Katie: I don't, know who that is.

778

Sean: okay.

779

Well, yeah, there, there was a show

780

Dream on, it was

781

Katie: Hmm.

782

Sean: it was on

783

HBO though anyone who was fortunate

to have premium Cape Premium cable.

784

Back in the early nineties, there

was a a sex comedy show that was

785

on that was on that channel that

ran for quite a few seasons.

786

But the lead character on that show.

787

That's who she's married to.

788

Katie: Oh, I got to check out

what he looks like because

789

she is a striking beauty.

790

So the partner of Ray Liotta's

character is Roy, Officer

791

Roy Cole played by Roger E.

792

Mosley.

793

And he's known, he was in the original

Magnum PI series, like the whole series.

794

So he's probably most known for that.

795

And then so Michael Carr, Kurt Russell's

character has He's like his lawyer, but

796

he's his partner and friend as well.

797

Roger is his name played by

Ken Lerner and he's a very

798

familiar face, lots of TV work.

799

He played Rocco in Happy Days and he

plays Lou Schwartz in the Goldbergs.

800

So that's something a

little bit more recent.

801

Sean: I'm glad you mentioned Roger

Mosley because unfortunately he

802

passed away this this past year.

803

But yeah, what a

wonderful character actor.

804

Katie: I didn't know he

passed away, but yeah.

805

He is good.

806

I liked him a lot as well.

807

Debra Offner plays Penny, who is

Karen's friend, and she's not super well

808

known, but you might recognize her from

Cruel Intentions and The Black Swan.

809

She had some decent sized parts in those.

810

All right, Sean, overall

impressions of Unlawful Entry.

811

What do you got?

812

Sean: I mean, is, I mean, first of all,

when you talk about how your season, the

813

theme of the season is every man, I mean,

Russell is perfect for this role because

814

he is the ultimate every man in this role.

815

You know, I've always.

816

I've always gravitated to this film and

I've liked it for a number of reasons.

817

Number one, I've always been,

me personally, I've always

818

been a fan of of cop movies.

819

That's just kind of a genre

that I've always gravitated to.

820

And so, usually if

821

it's a movie

822

Katie: Same.

823

Sean: police, you know, even the dirty

ones or whatever it may be, that's

824

just a genre that that I really like.

825

With this particular film, I mean,

it has two of my favorite actors.

826

Now, of course, you know, I was

gravitated to, you know, Damme, Dolph,

827

Arnold, Sly but when we're looking

at like actors, like real actors,

828

not saying those other guys aren't

actors, but you get the difference.

829

But,

830

Katie: Mm hmm, mm hmm,

831

Sean: Ray Liotta are, have always

been at the top for me and they

832

off each other wonderfully.

833

I mean, you know, in the end, I think one

of the things that's kind of unfortunate

834

about it, and it's, you know, It's not

a detriment to the film, but when we

835

talked about Tango and Cash, how magnetic

Kurt Russell is, and he's perfect in

836

this role, don't get me wrong, but at

the end of the day, when you finish

837

watching it, you really don't remember

Kurt Russell as much as you do Ray Liotta.

838

And, you know, it's, I

839

think that's,

840

You know, what.

841

I don't want to say it's a catch 22, but

in the end I think it works because your

842

film was only as good as its villain.

843

And Ray Liotta is just phenomenal in this

movie as as Pete, you know what I mean?

844

There are so many scenes that are just,

and I imagine we'll probably talk about

845

them, but there are so many moments in

this movie, how I mentioned earlier how

846

it's a little trashy, but there are so

many moments that are so And so creepy.

847

I mean, if we just go to the scene

where Kurt Russell goes on the ride

848

along with Ray Liotta and Ray Liotta

shows his true colors, his true

849

side, that it really stays with you.

850

And then to this day, I will say

right now, Katie probably one of

851

the creepiest scenes I've ever seen

in a film is in Unlawful Entry.

852

And it's the scene where Ray

Liotta kills his partner by

853

played by

854

Katie: mm hmm,

855

Sean: Mosley, you know what I

856

mean?

857

That scene is

858

just so

859

From the score to the way to Ray Liotta's

mannerisms If you notice his mannerisms,

860

he has this look in his eyes every time.

861

I mean that scene just it just it's

862

It's just so insane, but

in the end I think it works

863

Katie: Oh, Yeah.

864

that, no I really want To dig into

that scene, too, because, it's like we

865

kind of see that it's coming the second

that we pan over to Ray's character.

866

He puts gloves on, checks a few things.

867

We're like, oh, shit.

868

What's what's he going to do?

869

We see it coming and then he waits.

870

He sits with him and watches him die.

871

Sean: Yeah.

872

be honest, for me, Katie, the scariest

part of that scene, and tell you why.

873

Well, actually, I know why.

874

It's Leota's acting.

875

But for me, with that scene, the part

that always creeped me out is, if you

876

notice, he shoots his partner, okay?

877

And then he looks at the

perpetrator whose apartment, and

878

you see this guy is freaked out.

879

He's like, what is going on?

880

And just how rarely Leota looks

at him and says, take the gun.

881

it's just like, oh my God.

882

And I heard, you know, it's funny

because years down the line, I

883

heard critic talk about that scene.

884

And they were like, anybody who checked

the ballistics and everything like that,

885

of how that went down, they would have

886

figured out,

887

Katie: Yeah,

888

Sean: minute.

889

This doesn't, but you know what,

when I saw this for the first

890

time, didn't even think about that.

891

That didn't even go through my mind.

892

You know what I mean?

893

And it works, you know?

894

If you go, I know we're kind of

bouncing around, but if you go to

895

the end, the final fight that Leota

and and Kurt Russell have in the

896

kitchen, you know, Kurt Russell

takes a frying pan to the face.

897

I mean, it's, I mean, this, this

film is not cartoonish by any means.

898

The violence here is real and it's.

899

It's very unsettling, but

in a weird way, it warrants,

900

warrants rewatches in my opinion.

901

Katie: yeah.

902

Unsettling is a good way of putting it.

903

And I do think the music really

helps us get in the right

904

emotional state for each scene.

905

And I'm glad that you brought up.

906

I mean, obviously I'm talking

about Ultimate Everyman and Kurt

907

Russell, but when I was watching

this I got major breakdown vibes.

908

Breakdown comes out in 97,

so five years later, but he

909

plays a very similar character.

910

You know, he's got glasses, he's

wearing khakis, he's just like a regular

911

husband trying to protect his wife.

912

I will say I like the

casting a lot better in this.

913

Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russell, Are

on par looks wise with each other and

914

I didn't feel that way with I forget.

915

No offense to this lovely woman who

played his wife in Breakdown, but I

916

thought they needed someone prettier.

917

And so Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russell

make a very good looking couple.

918

And yeah, I don't know.

919

I got Breakdown vibes.

920

Did you at all?

921

Sean: Well, first of all the

actress, that's Kathleen Quinlan,

922

who plays his his wife in in

923

Breakdown.

924

You know, I mean, what's

interesting is I guess I never

925

really looked at it that way.

926

To be honest, I'm just going to say it.

927

Madeline Stowe in this movie

always kind of annoyed me.

928

You know, she's doing that.

929

I know, I'm sorry.

930

But she's doing that thing

that I've never really liked.

931

And we see this all the

time in horror movies, okay?

932

But she's the one who's

to what's going on.

933

You know what I mean?

934

There are red flags and there are signs,

okay, in front of her so many times.

935

And she's always just, I don't know.

936

It's my husband who's crazy.

937

You know what I mean?

938

I mean, think about any movie

that has a that has a killer kid.

939

This is a lame example, but I feel

like any of those, any film that

940

has a child who a little psychotic

or whatever, you always have that

941

one person who's just running to

the parents, running to the teacher,

942

running to everyone, trying to warn them

saying, Hey, this person is not right.

943

This person is ill.

944

Okay.

945

We need to watch out for him.

946

And that person is

always getting blown off.

947

Okay.

948

It's almost like that

person is the crazy one.

949

And I feel like that is what Madeline

Stowe for the first two acts of

950

this movie, that is what Madeline

Stowe is doing to Kurt Russell

951

for a good chunk of this movie.

952

You know what I mean?

953

I mean, there's the scene when Kurt

Russell comes home from the ride along

954

and he's like, something is wrong.

955

Something is amiss.

956

I don't want this guy around anymore.

957

And then Madeline Stowe

completely gaslights Kurt Russell.

958

If you remember, she completely

gaslights him and says, Well, you

959

weren't in my shoes because you

didn't have a knife to your throat,

960

so blah, you know, blah, blah, blah.

961

Which, I don't want to mitigate what

she went through by any means, but it's

962

one of those things where it's like,

Lady Like your husband is telling you

963

that he doesn't want this guy around.

964

Listen to him, please.

965

Katie: You know, I see where you're

coming from, but I disagree a little bit.

966

I thought she was pretty

appropriately hearing him out,

967

but also She's like, well, this

came out of nowhere yesterday.

968

We loved this guy.

969

And, you know, in her head, she's

thinking maybe you're overreacting.

970

And I really do want to be protected.

971

This was very scary.

972

I don't know.

973

I sort of felt that she was being

realistic about how someone would

974

be like you want to hear what your

husband is saying and believe him.

975

But then you're like, you have,

she hasn't seen it for herself yet.

976

So it's hard for her.

977

Sean: Mm

978

Katie: I don't know.

979

I hear you though.

980

That's true.

981

Sean: to Ray Liotta's credit, because

Ray Liotta is, I mean, again, the guy's

982

a masterful actor, and he is so, I

mean, he's so good at playing the master

983

manipulator, you know what I mean?

984

And that's exactly what he does.

985

The scene where he where he goes to see

Madeline Stowe one on one, and he shows

986

her the bullet wound, and he kind of

tells her like, being a cop, this is

987

what I have to go through, and maybe

your husband wasn't ready to, you know,

988

to walk on the wild side, if you will.

989

And this is why I do what I do.

990

So I can see where maybe she's coming

from and wanting to believe him.

991

But there are just so many moments the

scene at the nightclub that comes up later

992

on, where Ray Liotta just, keep calling

him, we should call him Pete, but the

993

scene where he shows up at the nightclub

for for Kurt Russell's, you know, big

994

grand opening, Madeline Stowe does not see

that as being weird at all that this cop

995

is showing up uninvited to a nightclub.

996

Yeah.

997

Katie: Yeah.

998

Sean: Anyway.

999

Katie: that's true.

00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:55,982

Yeah, that was pretty good.

00:46:55,982 --> 00:47:01,462

Yeah, he we see him and it is it's

like little manipulations that and

00:47:01,462 --> 00:47:05,092

that's actually kind of a movie

trope like this type of movie trope.

00:47:05,092 --> 00:47:06,292

It follows a formula.

00:47:06,372 --> 00:47:07,142

This happens.

00:47:07,152 --> 00:47:11,502

1 of the spouses sees it happen,

but the, because it's such little

00:47:11,502 --> 00:47:16,442

manipulations and so done in such a way

that the other person doesn't see it.

00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:20,687

And, you know, it's very tropey,

like the whole movie is very tropey,

00:47:20,697 --> 00:47:25,127

but I still liked it because I think

the acting was pretty spectacular.

00:47:25,437 --> 00:47:30,807

And especially the, when I was rewatching

it, I'm like, okay, a couple things.

00:47:31,567 --> 00:47:35,057

A, I'm really glad that the cat lived

because I'm like, oh, we're introducing

00:47:35,057 --> 00:47:37,607

a pet that means a lot to the family.

00:47:37,937 --> 00:47:42,027

This does not bode Well, for

Tiny, the gigantic orange cat.

00:47:42,807 --> 00:47:47,387

But he lives, he doesn't die,

but immediately when we meet the

00:47:47,387 --> 00:47:51,477

friend, Penny, and she's into

Ray, Leota's character, Pete,

00:47:51,637 --> 00:47:53,157

I'm like, Oh, she's going to die.

00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:59,097

And then I'm screaming at the TV.

00:47:59,097 --> 00:48:00,237

He's not dead.

00:48:00,237 --> 00:48:00,737

Shoot him.

00:48:00,967 --> 00:48:01,557

Shoot him.

00:48:01,557 --> 00:48:02,687

He's not dead.

00:48:03,017 --> 00:48:03,587

That happens.

00:48:03,687 --> 00:48:08,187

Every movie, this type, like step over

him and sure enough, he's not dead.

00:48:08,432 --> 00:48:12,402

So anyway, those were like the

three like tropes of this type of

00:48:12,592 --> 00:48:14,532

thriller that really stood out to me.

00:48:14,972 --> 00:48:15,542

Do you have thoughts?

00:48:16,277 --> 00:48:20,167

Sean: Well, yeah, I mean, regarding

the whole, you know, he's not dead,

00:48:20,177 --> 00:48:25,397

that's kind of been one of my slight

issues with the film is how almost

00:48:25,827 --> 00:48:31,767

his villain character almost kind

of evolves into a Michael Myers.

00:48:32,537 --> 00:48:36,247

know, by the end, you know what I

mean, to where he just is completely

00:48:36,247 --> 00:48:39,777

unstoppable and, you know, then it's

kind of relying on some of these horror

00:48:39,777 --> 00:48:42,167

thriller tropes and, but you know what?

00:48:42,177 --> 00:48:46,157

I think in the end we were talking

about this on another podcast.

00:48:46,157 --> 00:48:50,297

I guessed it on recently, but, if

anyone else was in the role, Okay.

00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:53,357

In these particular roles, you

would look at it as being pretty

00:48:53,357 --> 00:48:54,667

absurd and pretty ridiculous.

00:48:54,927 --> 00:48:55,357

You know what I mean?

00:48:55,657 --> 00:49:00,727

But because you have Kurt Russell, who

is acting his ass off, and then you have

00:49:00,947 --> 00:49:02,507

Ray Liotta, and then Madeline Stowe.

00:49:02,507 --> 00:49:04,157

I mean, these are all amazing actors.

00:49:04,487 --> 00:49:09,407

They are selling it so well that

you're able to kind of look past

00:49:09,717 --> 00:49:12,187

the overall kind of silliness of it.

00:49:12,887 --> 00:49:14,117

And go along with it.

00:49:14,177 --> 00:49:14,837

You know what I mean?

00:49:14,997 --> 00:49:16,397

But no, yeah, you're exactly right.

00:49:16,417 --> 00:49:21,877

It is kind of interesting how by

the end it kind of does devolve into

00:49:21,877 --> 00:49:24,957

a standard home invasion thriller.

00:49:25,237 --> 00:49:31,127

However, I will say I do love,

there's a moment in the film I

00:49:31,127 --> 00:49:34,227

mentioned how Kurt Russell is slammed

in the head with a frying pan.

00:49:35,037 --> 00:49:35,477

how.

00:49:35,897 --> 00:49:37,957

I mean, how many times have we seen

that in movies where the characters

00:49:37,977 --> 00:49:42,867

get hit and they fall down and then

they either get knocked out or they get

00:49:42,887 --> 00:49:44,497

back up and they can continue fighting.

00:49:44,497 --> 00:49:48,137

What I love about this is, I

mean, it clocks Kurt Russell.

00:49:48,137 --> 00:49:52,847

He falls to the ground and you

see him completely of his element.

00:49:52,877 --> 00:49:57,217

You don't know where he is, but

he gets that wonderful line to

00:49:58,167 --> 00:50:01,857

Ray Liotta when Ray Liotta calls

the security alarm company, right?

00:50:01,857 --> 00:50:01,927

Yeah.

00:50:02,952 --> 00:50:06,212

Calls him and he says, Oh,

the password is pyramid.

00:50:06,422 --> 00:50:07,932

And they said, Oh no, that's not right.

00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:09,652

And then Kurt Russell gets that line.

00:50:09,672 --> 00:50:12,132

I'm not going to repeat it,

but he says, figure it out.

00:50:12,172 --> 00:50:13,032

Seven letters.

00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:15,732

And then he says, F you.

00:50:15,972 --> 00:50:20,382

I mean, and the way Kurt Russell

says it as he's like, you know, down

00:50:20,502 --> 00:50:22,022

on the verge of death or whatever.

00:50:22,052 --> 00:50:25,997

I mean, it's one of the reasons

why I just think Kurt Russell's is

00:50:26,047 --> 00:50:28,917

awesome because even in a moment

like that where he's at his ass

00:50:28,957 --> 00:50:32,407

kicked he still dominates the scene.

00:50:33,372 --> 00:50:33,922

Katie: That's true.

00:50:33,922 --> 00:50:36,802

And there was another similar

point where he kind of feeds

00:50:36,802 --> 00:50:38,902

Ray Liotta's line back to him.

00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:43,452

There's a time in the movie where,

you know, Ray Liotta says to, to

00:50:43,452 --> 00:50:46,317

Kurt, I'm not going to arrest you.

00:50:46,367 --> 00:50:47,857

I'm going to kill you.

00:50:48,447 --> 00:50:53,567

And so then Kirk gets to say that

basically back to Ray Liotta.

00:50:53,697 --> 00:50:54,987

No, I'm not going to arrest you.

00:50:55,007 --> 00:50:56,607

And then he doesn't say

I'm going to kill you.

00:50:56,607 --> 00:50:57,987

He just does kill him.

00:50:58,387 --> 00:51:02,147

And then the gun, he drops

the gun, literally smoking.

00:51:02,157 --> 00:51:05,127

He drops the literal

smoking gun to the floor.

00:51:05,137 --> 00:51:08,237

And then, yeah, that's the final scene

when they do go out to the porch and

00:51:08,237 --> 00:51:09,817

then the police are on their way.

00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:10,497

But yeah.

00:51:11,387 --> 00:51:15,567

With the security system and the

password, you bringing that up.

00:51:18,087 --> 00:51:21,777

I, again, like watching this, he's

there helping them install the

00:51:21,777 --> 00:51:26,107

security system and he asks them

what he wants the password to be.

00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:26,727

It's got to be 7.

00:51:26,757 --> 00:51:29,897

And in my head, I'm like, oh,

you should immediately change it.

00:51:30,107 --> 00:51:32,457

Now he knows your past your password.

00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:36,507

Sean: And is a cop there helping them?

00:51:36,997 --> 00:51:38,387

Install the security system.

00:51:38,387 --> 00:51:40,737

That's the other thing, too,

that's always kind of bugged me.

00:51:40,737 --> 00:51:45,247

companies, the technicians who are there.

00:51:45,417 --> 00:51:47,587

Why is a cop there helping?

00:51:48,357 --> 00:51:49,587

And why are they allowing it?

00:51:49,597 --> 00:51:49,987

You know what I mean?

00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:52,687

Katie: He pulled some strings.

00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:53,107

Sean: right.

00:51:53,227 --> 00:51:53,917

Well, yeah.

00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:54,462

Katie: yeah.

00:51:54,692 --> 00:51:55,092

yeah.

00:51:55,247 --> 00:51:55,567

Sean: Yeah.

00:51:56,452 --> 00:51:57,732

Katie: I also, I don't know.

00:51:57,822 --> 00:51:59,152

I felt this was kind of funny.

00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:01,872

There's just terms, things

in the early nineties, right?

00:52:01,882 --> 00:52:06,702

So we have the very early cell

phones and only it's like the only

00:52:06,702 --> 00:52:08,502

really business y type men have them.

00:52:08,502 --> 00:52:12,332

And so all three of them check their

phones when the When somebody gets

00:52:12,332 --> 00:52:13,582

a call, he's like, Oh, it's me.

00:52:14,062 --> 00:52:20,792

That, and then the term cock teaser,

Ray Liotta, before he attempts

00:52:20,872 --> 00:52:25,192

to essentially rape Madeline

Stowe, he calls her cock teaser.

00:52:25,932 --> 00:52:27,482

You don't hear that anymore much.

00:52:27,482 --> 00:52:28,012

Do you?

00:52:28,657 --> 00:52:31,497

Sean: no, no, no, I yeah.

00:52:32,112 --> 00:52:32,282

Katie: Mm

00:52:32,347 --> 00:52:34,057

Sean: I, I think you said enough there.

00:52:34,057 --> 00:52:35,737

Yeah, so much.

00:52:35,887 --> 00:52:38,567

I mean, there's a few things

about this film that, I mean,

00:52:38,627 --> 00:52:39,927

you wouldn't get nowadays.

00:52:39,947 --> 00:52:45,222

I mean, Obviously, you know, due to

events you know, that have happened

00:52:45,232 --> 00:52:50,062

within the past four years I do

think we, we could still see a or

00:52:50,062 --> 00:52:53,702

actually we do still see, excuse me

films that portray police officers in

00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:55,142

negative lights, you know what I mean?

00:52:55,162 --> 00:52:56,492

Obviously but

00:52:57,532 --> 00:52:57,622

a

00:52:57,882 --> 00:52:58,072

Katie: hmm.

00:52:58,132 --> 00:52:58,752

Sean: this, I mean,

00:52:58,752 --> 00:52:59,322

I don't know.

00:52:59,322 --> 00:53:04,012

I mean, I feel like, again, this

screams of a film that at most

00:53:04,012 --> 00:53:06,822

would get dropped on Netflix with.

00:53:07,307 --> 00:53:09,637

Very little fanfare or anything like that.

00:53:09,637 --> 00:53:12,427

And it would just kind

of kind of dissipate.

00:53:12,487 --> 00:53:13,067

You know what I mean?

00:53:13,087 --> 00:53:14,377

It would kind of go away.

00:53:14,697 --> 00:53:15,127

But

00:53:15,582 --> 00:53:17,182

Katie: Yep.

00:53:17,247 --> 00:53:21,947

Sean: the fact that something like

this went theatrical and we're

00:53:21,947 --> 00:53:24,007

still talking about it to this day.

00:53:24,037 --> 00:53:26,837

30 years later, I think that's

something else that that

00:53:28,102 --> 00:53:29,752

Warrants a some praise for it.

00:53:29,752 --> 00:53:30,262

You know what I mean?

00:53:30,602 --> 00:53:33,092

Because there are, I mean, let's face

it, there, there are a few films in

00:53:33,092 --> 00:53:37,882

Kurt Russell's filmography that I

don't think stand up as well or that

00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:40,612

we really don't, you know, talk about

the kind of have gotten forgotten.

00:53:40,832 --> 00:53:44,712

But this is one that, considering he just

plays an everyman that's overshadowed

00:53:44,762 --> 00:53:48,712

by Ray Liotta, there's still so many

things about it that help it kind of,

00:53:49,002 --> 00:53:50,812

that help it kind of pop and stand up.

00:53:51,702 --> 00:53:52,412

Katie: Yeah, you're right.

00:53:52,452 --> 00:53:57,792

Ray Liotta actually was nominated

for an MTV movie award as

00:53:57,792 --> 00:53:59,732

the best villain this year.

00:53:59,732 --> 00:54:01,422

He didn't win, but he was nominated.

00:54:01,592 --> 00:54:04,502

I think the single white female chick won.

00:54:05,062 --> 00:54:05,572

That year.

00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:06,482

Sean: Interesting.

00:54:06,752 --> 00:54:07,322

Katie: a good villain,

00:54:08,122 --> 00:54:10,842

Sean: Do you want to know, I don't know,

do they still do the MTV Movie Awards?

00:54:11,502 --> 00:54:12,552

Katie: I have no idea.

00:54:12,672 --> 00:54:13,332

I don't know.

00:54:13,662 --> 00:54:13,952

Sean: alright.

00:54:14,072 --> 00:54:16,612

Well, I always figured out

how to tell the winners.

00:54:17,532 --> 00:54:20,612

Did you, ever figure out the telltale

sign for the, to how to figure out who

00:54:20,612 --> 00:54:22,292

was going to win all of various awards?

00:54:23,152 --> 00:54:23,752

Katie: No.

00:54:23,752 --> 00:54:24,952

At the MTV movie awards?

00:54:24,952 --> 00:54:25,522

No.

00:54:25,532 --> 00:54:26,232

Sean: figured this out?

00:54:26,232 --> 00:54:28,672

So, I don't

00:54:28,672 --> 00:54:29,332

know if it still

00:54:29,402 --> 00:54:29,522

But

00:54:29,522 --> 00:54:33,222

throughout the 90s I was watching the MTV

Movie Awards, and you could always tell.

00:54:34,267 --> 00:54:35,457

Who was going to win?

00:54:35,727 --> 00:54:36,027

Okay.

00:54:36,047 --> 00:54:39,677

Any of the various any of the

various awards by who they

00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:40,917

announced at the very beginning.

00:54:40,917 --> 00:54:44,497

So if you remember when they would

air the MTV movie awards at the very

00:54:44,497 --> 00:54:48,997

beginning, they would say with special

appearances by, and they would rattle

00:54:48,997 --> 00:54:53,197

off all of the celebrities, all of

the musical artists, everybody that

00:54:53,317 --> 00:54:54,517

was going to be making an appearance.

00:54:55,142 --> 00:54:55,662

Okay.

00:54:55,832 --> 00:54:58,922

They would rattle that off at the very

beginning before the show even started.

00:54:59,192 --> 00:54:59,582

Okay.

00:54:59,842 --> 00:55:04,042

So if that person who was nominated,

say for example, Ray Liotta, okay.

00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:08,132

If Ray Liotta was nominated and his

name was spouted at the beginning,

00:55:08,492 --> 00:55:13,082

okay, with special appearances by Ray

Liotta, Tom Cruise, whatever, then

00:55:13,232 --> 00:55:18,372

you could pretty much guarantee 95

percent he was going to win the award

00:55:18,592 --> 00:55:22,742

because special appearance, he was going

to be on stage accepting the award.

00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:23,042

Right?

00:55:23,052 --> 00:55:23,082

Okay.

00:55:24,862 --> 00:55:26,022

Fun fact for you, at least that's

00:55:26,022 --> 00:55:26,672

how I always,

00:55:26,712 --> 00:55:28,122

Katie: Oh my god.

00:55:28,502 --> 00:55:29,272

Sean: it in my mind.

00:55:29,742 --> 00:55:29,942

So

00:55:30,842 --> 00:55:31,682

Katie: Well, yeah.

00:55:32,202 --> 00:55:33,612

I can't believe they did that.

00:55:34,282 --> 00:55:34,552

Yeah.

00:55:34,557 --> 00:55:38,152

The reason that they're special

appearing is 'cause they win the award.

00:55:38,482 --> 00:55:39,352

That's hilarious.

00:55:39,662 --> 00:55:40,232

I love it.

00:55:41,082 --> 00:55:46,927

Yeah, Well, so I also I thought that

Madeline Stowe, I was putting myself

00:55:46,927 --> 00:55:50,917

in her shoes and I thought she did a

really good job of, she has to like,

00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:52,957

fake that she's into Ray Liotta.

00:55:52,967 --> 00:55:56,577

He breaks back in and he's cooking

her dinner and he's delusional.

00:55:56,577 --> 00:55:58,347

He thinks they're going

to be together now.

00:55:58,777 --> 00:56:02,197

And she has to kind of pretend to

go along to try and save herself.

00:56:02,197 --> 00:56:03,817

And I thought those

scenes were really good.

00:56:03,817 --> 00:56:05,127

What else stood out to you?

00:56:06,497 --> 00:56:08,097

the ride along was really good.

00:56:08,282 --> 00:56:08,602

Sean: along

00:56:08,707 --> 00:56:09,557

Katie: Are there other scenes?

00:56:09,652 --> 00:56:09,932

Mm

00:56:10,272 --> 00:56:12,022

Sean: I like the one that

you mentioned as well.

00:56:12,022 --> 00:56:15,622

I mean, I think another really

good scene is the confrontation.

00:56:16,042 --> 00:56:18,812

Well, actually there's two real

good confrontations between

00:56:19,082 --> 00:56:20,632