What does it look like when plant-based living moves beyond personal choice and into real systems change? This episode answers that question in a big way.

Rip sits down with longtime friend and food policy powerhouse Rachel Atcheson, founder of Food Policy Pathways, for a wide-ranging conversation about how food policy can transform public health, reduce chronic disease, and make healthy eating the default — not the exception.

Rip and Rachel unpack how initiatives like Meatless Monday and Plant-Powered Fridays in NYC public schools, plant-based default hospital meals, and lifestyle medicine clinics became reality — reaching millions of people while saving money and cutting carbon emissions.

They dig into the behavioral science behind defaults, why taste and culinary training matter, and how real change happens when policy aligns with public health.

Rachel also introduces her newest chapter: Food Policy Pathways, an organization building a pipeline of professionals who want to work inside government to advance healthier, more sustainable food systems at the city, state, and federal levels.

This conversation is optimistic, practical, and deeply motivating — proof that playing the long game can reshape our food future.

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