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Insomnia (2002) / Nolan Nostalgia #3 / Our Eclipse Adventures
Episode 61 • 15th April 2024 • Back to the Frame Rate • Nathan Suher
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Today we discuss Christopher Nolan's first big studio feature 'Insomnia' with the star-studded cast including Al Pacino, Robin Williams, and Hillary Swank. This is a interesting film from him because it's a relatively straight forward cat and mouse detective story...or is it? No matter what your opinion is on 'Insomnia', in comparison to his other films it does have a very different vibe.

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02:12 Question to the hosts

05:05 Plot synopsis & Plot synopsis for your young children

08:02 Movie Facts

15:17 Nathan's review

19:47 Sam's review

25:34 Bee's review

53:12 Save or Purge - An Apocalyptic Decision

56:37 Movie Pairings

01:01:37 Movie Musings

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Brian:

In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles

relentlessly toward Earth, the

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world braces for an apocalyptic end.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge

plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here the chosen gather, Their

purpose clear, to preserve the

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very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that

encapsulate the magic, the emotion,

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and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame

a testament to the human spirit,

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are carefully cataloged and

cradled confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more.

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For friends and family yearning for

salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The movie nerds stand united, the keepers

of a flame, promising a future where the

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art of storytelling endures, transcending

the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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Nathan: Welcome to Framerate, part

of the Westin Media Podcast Network.

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Join us as we watch and discuss

films on VOD, And streaming platforms

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deliberating on whether each one

of us is worthy of salvation or

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destined for destruction in the face

of the impending asteroid apocalypse.

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I'm Nathan Shore and accompanying me

are the extraordinary movie mavens,

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Brianna Butterworth and Sam Cole.

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How is everybody?

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Sam: Hey, hey, hey.

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Doing spectacularly.

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How are you doing today, sir?

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Nathan: Feeling good.

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I am recovered from my trip up

to Vermont to see the eclipse.

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And maybe we'll talk about that a little

bit later because I was one of those

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people that was stuck in about eight hours

of traffic to get home it was a scene.

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If you go online and you type

in like Vermont traffic, there

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some articles about that.

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It was insane, but we'll get to

that maybe later in this show.

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But I want to begin the episode

with a question to each of you.

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this is kind of a hypothetical scenario.

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And again, these questions are probably

getting worse and worse every week.

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Sam: If the question is, How

do you like school, Billy?

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Closed!

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Urgh!

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Sorry.

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Nathan: So you both ratted out the

mafia, and are forced to go into

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witness protection and are relocated

to your new home in Nightmute, Alaska,

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but outside of working at a local fish

hatchery or as a mystery novelist,

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what is your new profession and

under what alias do you live by now?

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Sam: And so it definitely can't be mystery

novelist, like you just said, Right.

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Okay.

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I would be the professional videographer

for that town, and I would monopolize

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the tiny market in the town.

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I would be like the wedding guy, the

filmmaking guy, and I would order

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awesome equipment from Amazon, and

just be like, Filmmaker Sam, and I'd

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be like a huge fish in a small bottle.

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Nathan: Wow.

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It's a good plan.

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and what's your alias?

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what name are you doing by now?

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My

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Sam: alias would be a name from

the beloved movie Boogie Nights.

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I would be Brock Landers.

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Bee: You had that in the

pocket, Sam, you were ready.

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You were like, I am desperate for someone

to ask me about my nightmute alias.

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Sam: Oh yeah.

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I've been planning it for days.

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I was like, just in case Nathan asks

this, I got to be prepared here.

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Nathan: But

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Bee: Bea, you

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Nathan: weren't ready for this one.

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Bee: I think I know my alias would

be Sammy Jenkins and my job would be

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hunting down anyone named Chauncey.

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Nathan: Well, if you hadn't

already guessed, our review this

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week is the 2002 film Insomnia

from director Christopher Nolan.

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His third film in our

Nolan Nostalgia Month.

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She's like drawing pictures.

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I know that our audience cannot

see this, but she's, I can't even

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repeat what, what I'm seeing.

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But anyways yes, we are very professional.

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The horror.

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The horror.

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So yeah insomnia, by the way, before

we begin, I want to ask, did anybody

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Also have a chance to watch the 1997,

you know, I made a mistake last week.

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I said it was a Swedish film.

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It's Norwegian.

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I think it's because Stellan

Skarsgård is Swedish.

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And that's why I just say,

Oh, it's a Swedish film.

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But B you said you were nodding.

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You saw it.

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Bee: Yeah, I did.

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Nathan: Okay.

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I managed

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Bee: to watch it.

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It's good.

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Fantastic.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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Bee: Yeah.

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Sam: I wish that I had seen it.

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I did not manage to

watch it, unfortunately.

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Nathan: Oh, It's okay.

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But it's an interesting comparison.

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Yeah.

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You're still part of the show.

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So don't worry.

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I have a plot synopsis here and I'll

follow that up with the trailer,

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but here's the plot synopsis.

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The story of a veteran police detective

played by Al Pacino, who is sent to a

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small Alaskan town to investigate the

murder of a teenage girl forced into a

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psychological game of cat and mouse by the

primary suspect played by Robin Williams.

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Events escalate in the

detective finds his.

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Own stability, dangerously threatened.

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There you have it.

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Dun, dun,

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Bee: dun.

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Nathan: And does anyone want to hear

my version for your young children?

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Bee: Yeah, my own children are desperate.

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Nathan: So just in case you

want to simplify this down for

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the young kids in the house.

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Here we are.

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It is in the movie Insomnia, a brave

detective named Will Dormer goes

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to a very bright and snowy place

to solve a mystery about a missing

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girl, but something goes wrong.

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And his friend gets hurt.

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Will feels very sad about it.

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He tries to catch the person who hurt

his friend, but it's hard because

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it's always sunny and he can't sleep.

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Another person knows what happened

and he tries to trick Will.

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It's like a game of hide and seek.

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In the end, Will learns that

telling the truth is important.

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Even if it's hard, he

faces the tricky person.

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It makes things right again.

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It's the story about being

honest and doing the right

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thing, even when it's tough.

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Bee: I mean, kind of.

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It's not the worst.

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Explain like I'm five scenario.

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Nathan: OK, let me just play a quick.

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Clip from the trailer of Insomnia.

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Bee: Detective Dormer, it's

such an honor to meet you.

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I'm Detective Ellie Berg.

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Trailer: Welcome to Nightmute.

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Bee: It's

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Trailer: so incredible

to be working with you.

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The Leland Street murders was

my case study at the Academy.

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Someone out there just beat

a 17 year old girl to death.

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Your job is to find them.

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Doesn't say in the report

that he clipped her nails.

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He washed her hair.

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No mutilation?

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Not this time.

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He tortures him, makes him do things.

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And keeps him there for three days.

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This guy, he crossed the line

and he didn't even blink.

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What detective Dormer doesn't know is

that murder is only part of the plan.

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Dormer here.

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Killing changes you.

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It's like awareness.

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Who am I speaking to?

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Nathan: that was from

the trailer for Insomnia.

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Sam.

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If your connection's still solid do

you have some movie facts for us?

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Sam: I do have some movie facts.

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And, and just to let the audience

know, I am in Little Rock, Arkansas

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with some terrible hotel wifi.

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I'm trying my best, but if I cut out,

I will come back as strongly as I can.

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So here we go.

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So Insomnia is a 2002 film

directed by Christopher Nolan.

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Interestingly, this was the only movie

of his that he did not write or co write.

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It was written by Hilary Seitz and

this is actually a remake of the

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1997 Norwegian film of the same name,

which I, alas, have unfortunately

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was not able to watch this week.

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And so this version directed by

Christopher Nolan stars Al Pacino

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and Robin Williams and Hilary Swank

also with Maura Terencey, Martin

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Donovan, Nicky Kat and Paul Dooley,

excuse me, in supporting roles.

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Interestingly, the director of

photography, the DP is Walter.

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Fister, and he actually is the same DP

who shot Memento, as well as the Dark

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Knight trilogy, as well as Inception.

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So, Christopher Nolan has worked

with this individual often This

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film was released in May 24th

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Nathan: you're fine.

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Keep going where you left off.

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You left off talking about Wally Pfister

and he left off with films that he DP'd.

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Sam: Yeah, Wally Pfister.

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So he did the Dark Knight

Trilogy and Inception.

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And memento with Christopher Nolan.

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So they worked together a lot.

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Nathan: he did some other good

movies like money ball and Laurel

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Canyon and the Italian job.

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I think we talked about this last week.

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Some of the great things he's done.

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Yeah.

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Sam: Yes.

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I love money ball, by the way.

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Great film.

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So this came out in May 24th.

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2002 in the U.

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S.

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I remember that Memorial Day weekend.

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I remember it well.

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It premiered May 3rd at

the Tribeca Film Festival.

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This had a budget of 46 million worldwide.

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It made 114 million.

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So I don't know about marketing

costs, but I think it made a profit.

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So Christopher Nolan at this point

in his career by his third film,

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he's doing well at the box office.

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Bee: going places that Nolan guy.

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Sam: Okay.

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Robin Williams was nominated for

Best Actor at the 25th Saturn

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Awards, and interestingly enough,

this was Nolan's last R rated

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film until Oppenheimer in 2023.

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I had assumed that

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Nathan: Wait, Dunkirk?

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Sam: I thought Dunkirk was

R, but no, Dunkirk was not R.

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It was a hard PG 13 which is

fascinating because Dunkirk feels

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like an R movie, but it wasn't.

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Brutal.

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This was filmed in different, many

different areas in Alaska as well.

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As a place called Squamish, British

Columbia was where the fictional

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town of Nightmute, Alaska was.

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So they shot between Alaska, British

Columbia, loved the places and the

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look of the film that they shot.

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And that is pretty much the

basic overview data I have.

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I have not seen the original film, but

I did read that the director of the

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original film, The original movie saw

Nolan's remake and was very pleased

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with it and said that he thought that

he did a good job remaking his film

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and that he was not disappointed.

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And so he gave Nolan the thumbs up.

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The movie also holds a 92 percent

on Rotten Tomatoes for being a

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good psychological thriller with

two stellar performances from

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Al Pacino and Robin Williams.

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And that is my basic

fact machine over here.

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Nathan: I also wanna mention to add onto

to this, I, I was looking at, 'cause

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I loved to do this and see what else

was coming out to that week, what was,

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and I did it this way, what was in the

th,:

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And I don't know if you've

already looked at this yet.

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Sam: I'm guessing that I, I have,

I don't play, I haven't read it

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Nathan: before.

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Cool.

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Play.

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I wanna play a little game with you guys.

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What do you think was number one that week

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Sam: without looking,

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Nathan: no cheating.

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Sam: Spider Man

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Nathan: Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the

Clones was number one in its third week.

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It brought in 70 million Spider

Man was number two in its fourth

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week, making almost 42 million.

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this came in third that week.

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Have debuted at number three and made 20.

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9 million in its opening week.

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Number four, you probably will

never guess this, but it's spirit

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stallion of the Simmeron, that

also debuted that week at 27.

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4 million number five.

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Any guesses?

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No.

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Can

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Nathan: I get a hint?

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Can I get a

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Sam: hint?

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A what?

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Oh, enough.

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Enough.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I remember that.

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20.

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20.

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20.

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Nathan: 20.

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11.

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8 Million.

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Number Six, Hugh Grant

movie in his second week.

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Sam: Not Mickey Blue Eyes.

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Nathan: About a Boy.

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Yes.

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About a Boy, brought in 11.

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8 million.

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Number Seven, Richard Gere movie.

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Sam: Wait a minute.

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Shall we team?

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I mean, I know you love

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Nathan: this game.

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Sam: It's not red corner,

no prime red corner.

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Nathan: No, it's one of

the last of the Oh, sorry.

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What's the genre of the like

erotic thriller type of movies.

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Sam: Oh, I know.

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it's, it's directed.

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Adrian Lynn directed it.

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I can picture

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Bee: the cover of this movie.

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It's like with the composite unfaithful.

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Nathan: Yes.

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Sam: Yes.

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That's

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Nathan: in his fourth week, but 9.

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2 million.

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this might be a hard one to get

number eight that week in his

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third week of release the new guy.

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I don't know.

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I kind of remember it.

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Number nine, you guys would know

this one in a seventh week, Ben

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Affleck movie kind of a thriller.

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With some of all fears with Samuel L.

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Jackson,

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Sam: some of all fears,

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Nathan: an Affleck, Samuel L.

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Jackson, road rage movie,

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Sam: road rage movie.

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Yes.

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Oh, with Samuel.

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Oh, changing lanes, changing lanes,

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Nathan: changing lanes.

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Bee: Never heard of that movie.

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Fuck.

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Nathan: Oh God.

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Yeah, changing.

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I already said it.

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Changing lanes.

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2.2 million in the last one.

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Changing lanes.

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Changing.

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Lanes changing.

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Coming in at number 10 in it.

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? Yes.

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. Good job, Sam.

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Yeah.

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And number 10.

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And we lost Sam.

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I'll wait for him to comeback.

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No.

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All right, Number 10.

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And its sixth week of release

that brought in 2.2 million.

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Any ideas?

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It is the third movie

of a franchise Spider

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Sam: Man three.

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Oh, no, sorry.

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Keep going.

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Nathan: going.

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It's a third movie of a franchise

and it ties in to a big event that

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just happened over this weekend.

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Not tie in, but the lead

actor was also, okay.

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I'll just say it was a wrestler.

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Sam: Is Dwayne The Rock Johnson in it?

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Yes.

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Is it the Scorpion King?

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Sam: Yes.

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Okay, that was our top

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Sam: I should have known about

because Star Wars Attack of the

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Clones came out on May 16th.

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And I remember that well.

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So I should have gotten

that as number one.

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I will never forgive myself.

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Nathan: Never.

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That was the top ten for May 24th 2002.

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Okay.

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So let's get to our thoughts

on this movie though.

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When we did our random number

generator and I got the short

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straw, so I will be going first.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So I

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Bee: was desperate to hear your thoughts.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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So I think I've said this

several times before already.

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I saw this film back in

the theaters in:

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Trailer: And this

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Nathan: is the first

time revisiting it since

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Trailer: the

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Nathan: film essentially left

my consciousness completely

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the moment I left the theater.

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and I'm going to get to the reasons

for that in a moment, but you know,

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first I want to preface a couple

of things that I appreciated.

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I think Al Pacino is very good in this.

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I was looking over his filmography

and I think it's probably his

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last great starring performance.

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And I'm underlining starring because he's

had, he's been in a couple good films

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like the Irishman, but you know, he's

part of an ensemble in a lot of these

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other movies and especially that one.

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Overall, I think this film looks good.

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I think it has great sound design in it.

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Yes.

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Good music.

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So there's some great elements here.

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I mean, Nolan is doing a

good job directing this.

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It's the skilled people

working on this movie for sure.

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And good casting.

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And I'm not, talking about the smaller

roles that flesh out this movie.

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I like the guys like Paul Dooley and Nikki

cat who are both on the police force.

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They're great in this.

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I think I just love the

small casting in this.

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I think there's some really

good set pieces in this film.

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That creates some moments of good tension.

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The film has like I

said, good sound design.

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And there's a scene that I know

we're going to talk about later that

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involves this chase over the logs and

the sound design, that is incredible.

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But this movie is an overall fail

for me for a couple of reasons.

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this film came out at a time when studios,

I think we're churning out These types

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of properties left and right, hoping to

create franchises out of novelizations

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of murder mystery novels, I couldn't

help but think of like the Alex Cross

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series of books from James Patterson.

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Those were turned into a couple

of successful films, like Kiss

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the Girls, Along Came a Spider,

and I think years later there was

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a self titled Alex Cross film.

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The problem, though, is that Everyone

soon figured out that this style of

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story was best suited for television.

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And if this were made today,

this would absolutely be an eight

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episode season of true detective.

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I was just gonna say it is a show.

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It's true detective.

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In which we could really dig into these

characters and have that Cat and mouse

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game and witness the minutia of the

Pacino and Robin Williams, character's

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relationship, exploring the guilt

of his partner's death, spoiler, and

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well, Robin Williams past relationship

with this murdered girl, how his

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writing may play into his character.

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They could have really explored a lot

of the interesting nooks and crannies of

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the town folk and all of these could have

been like really interesting characters.

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In fact, you know, I, like I said, I

redact all that I think was already

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done and was called twin peaks,

but because it's working within the

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confines of a traditional three act

structure in a two hour timeframe.

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Bee: significantly

longer than the original.

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Nathan: Yeah, it's not really able to do

much more than work within the margins

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of the traditional detective serial

killer story telling, you know, telling

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I don't know, but I wish I could give

this a higher rating, but I cannot.

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it's just, so conventional it

just doesn't, it's working within

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the margins way too much for

me to get a lot out of this.

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It's well done, but it's not

doing enough for me to really

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love this movie in any great way.

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So my rating for this is two stars.

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I know it seems really negative, but

honestly, it couldn't be any more.

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Ordinary.

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For me ordinary does not cut it for me.

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So yeah, that's what I have to say.

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Bee: All right.

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Nathan: Fair.

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Bee: Sam, what'd you think?

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Sam: Do you agree?

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So I am going to try my best.

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Hopefully I won't cut out

here, but Can you hear me?

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Okay.

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So yeah, I also saw this

in the theater in:

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I saw it with my father and I

remember strangely enough in

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the theater back then liking it.

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But having a similar feeling

of being underwhelmed.

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I was expecting something different.

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However, For some reason over the

past 20 years, time and time again,

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I've come back to this movie and I

have a completely different reaction.

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I would put this in my top three

favorite Christopher Nolan films.

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I actually like this leaps and bounds

beyond memento, even though it's

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completely conventional thriller for, the

reason why I like this movie is I feel

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that it really goes into Al Pacino's And

he just sinks lower and lower into a dark

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place that he cannot get himself out of.

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And it makes me uncomfortable and nervous.

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When I saw it in the theater

in:

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Williams performance was solid.

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Now I really like it.

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I'm surprised at how

much I like this movie.

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And I think the reason is there's

something about the atmosphere of

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going up to night mute Alaska, or

the fact that it's the middle of

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the summer and the sun never sets

and he can't get any sleep to me.

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The whole situation feels like a twilight

nightmare of, of a movie and I agree the

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first time I saw this I thought it felt

like a cold ice cold episode of like

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Law and Order or something like that.

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But watching it again, not only do I love

the characters, but I find the manner in

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which the plot unfolds, and sure enough

it is definitely within convention, like

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that is true, but the manner in which

the plot unfolds, how he finds out about

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Robin Williams, the details when he goes

to the school, and he finds the girl's

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boyfriend, and you find out that There's

another relationship going on there.

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The whole, the way the movie unfolds for

me is so fascinating that I like this

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movie a lot because it has Christopher

Nolan's directing and his talent,

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but it's surprisingly straightforward

for a Christopher Nolan movie.

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And so for me, I see this as sort

of like a commercial, a young

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commercial effort on his part.

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I agree.

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I think the sound design is amazing.

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There's one scene where they're

approaching the high school

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and you can literally hear.

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The pangs of the metal, part of

the Amer of the flag, hitting

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the pole in front of the school.

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Like there's incredible sound design.

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I also, I won't get into it now,

but I really like the finale.

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I like how the plot unfolds.

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I love the Hillary Swank character and

how slowly gets onto Al Pacino and.

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You know, I enjoyed Memento, but, I think

Christopher Nolan is excellent in getting

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into the headspace of the protagonist.

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And, I just feel like I'm in Al Pacino's

shoes when I'm watching this film.

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I feel incredibly nervous when

he's walking outside late at

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night and he shoots his gun into

like that dead dog or animal.

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Oh, God.

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And it's just like, the fact that he's

willing to take that far, or when he has

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to call The wife of his dead partner,

and he's, there's a close up shot of

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his hand moving a pen along the table

because you know his mind is in it.

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The one line Honestly, that's the

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Nathan: scene of the movie for me.

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Sam: Yeah.

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It's funny, the one line that I really

don't like in the movie, and I don't know

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why that rings really false to me, is when

the wife on the other end of the phone

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is like, Do you hear me, Will Dormer?

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When you find him You

don't arrest him, kill him.

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Like, I feel that in real life, a

person would be so shocked that they

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wouldn't be able to make that leap

of like, you better kill the guy.

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Like that just felt like a kind

of Hollywood ish moment to me.

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I'll wrap this up, but I really liked

the midsection of this movie when

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he's on the ferry with Robin Williams

and they're talking, I just feel.

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I get into their headspace, and I think

the reason why I didn't like it, I mean,

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I didn't love it when I first saw it in

:

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This film, when it was first marketed,

they showed the chase on the logs,

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they showed all these action set

pieces, so I thought it was gonna

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be this kind of Wolfgang Peterson

esque, in the line of fire, like Al

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Pacino's hunting Robin Williams, and

there's gonna be all this action.

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But what we get instead is a psychological

character piece of two different men

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that come together not by choice, but

in a completely twisted situation.

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And even though yes, there is like a

shootout at the end, I just find the movie

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chilling and I, the atmosphere of it.

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The atmosphere of going to remote Alaska

and dealing with characters in this

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kind of podunk middle of nowhere town.

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I find something very

fundamentally appealing about that.

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So I mean, I could go on and on.

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I'll just get to the stars.

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I would give this movie three and a half.

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There, it's certainly not the best

Christopher Nolan movie, but for me.

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Over the past 20 years, I like it.

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More and more each time I see

it, surprisingly, I was surprised

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myself because I literally had the

same reaction as Nathan in:

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I just, this movie I'll end by saying

that this movie for me is like a song on

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the radio that I didn't like at first.

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And then I played it a million times

and it's like one of my favorite songs.

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So that's where I stand.

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I am surprised by my own reaction as you

guys, I was not expecting this movie.

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Has a, this movie just has a.

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A strong effect on me, and I love Pacino's

performance, and his sleep deprivation

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is just painful to watch in a good way.

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So that's kind of where

I'm at with this picture.

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Bee: Okay.

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Man, we're hot and cold.

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I Also, really, I like this movie.

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I enjoyed it a lot.

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I kind of liked Nolan doing the

straightforward storytelling thing.

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I thought Pacino's performance was great.

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You know, for all the great parts

of the story, which I think you

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guys have already highlighted, I

think that the backdrop's amazing.

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I think some of the performances are

amazing and some of the performances

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I don't think are amazing, but there's

a lot of good points to this movie.

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I like that this movie's a little

bit longer than the original.

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I was surprised by how much

this felt like a horror movie.

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I really like, I was interested in

those aspects of it, when it got really

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dark, when it got really gruesome,

when you really saw these things

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sort of like, pulling at the tethers,

pulling at the seams, I was like,

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this is when the movie really has

the juice, and I was really into it.

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I think the first half had me more

invested than the second half.

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And I kind of kept.

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going in and out of the movie.

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Like whenever there was a twist or

something, I'd get reinvested and then

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I would spend a little time with it and

I'd spend some time with characters whose

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performances I wasn't crazy about and then

I'd sort of come out of it a little bit.

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:

I agree that technically it's very good.

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I did kind of think the framing was

really tight, and I just thought

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it had such a beautiful backdrop.

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I kind of wanted to see even more of it.

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But am I the only one who wasn't crazy

about Robin Williams performance in this?

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You're not.

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Sam: Okay.

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It's funny, I totally understand that.

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Like, I like his performance more

and more, but the first time I

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saw it I was like, oh, he's okay.

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it's weird casting, but I do remember

a moment, my father when he saw the

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movie and sort of a spoiler when like

Robin Williams is like dead underneath

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the water and you just see his face

thinking he had expected him to come

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outta the water and be like, you

know, like doing like comedy shtick.

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But his performance has grown on

me, but, I would not like, I don't.

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I would not, like, defend it to the death,

like, I can see why it would not, yeah.

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Nathan: It's a very muted

performance, and you know, times

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where I like Robin Williams in

dramatic roles, this is not one.

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One hour photo, the same

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Bee: year.

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Nathan: One hour photo, I think he's

really unhinged in it, and I like

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the fact that he's, I feel like,

This was like, like a like he's

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auditioning for opportunities to

be taken as an actor and he goes so

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far into the direction of this muted

performance that it's almost too far.

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Yeah.

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I like going on a photo.

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I like what he does with that, but

it's a very different performance.

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He is a creep in that movie.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I will say, I think what he was,

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Sam: Yeah, I think what they were trying

to go for, like, I agree he could have

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been creepier, but I think that they

were trying to show, like, make him seem

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kind of normal, and then when he's, like,

talking about when he crosses the line

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and he kills that girl, that just, like,

makes my stomach, like, twist, you know?

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And so it's like, he's like a,

like, Repressed psychopath in this

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.

Nathan: I wanna actually ask you guys, what is everyone's

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favorite Robin Williams?

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Dramatic performance in the

era, or at least non comedic.

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Non unhinged, yeah.

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Performance.

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does anyone have a, that's a

good question, a thought on that.

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Sam: Man, I'm gonna be generic.

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I have to say goodwill hunting

is incredibly high up there, but.

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I mean, he's in serious films

like Good Morning Vietnam, but

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he does hilarious shtick in that.

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But I love him in that movie.

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Like,

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Nathan: well, I think that qualifies

because even though his only time

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he's really like, you know, doing the

comedy bits is when he's doing the

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DJ disc jockey stuff in that really.

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:

Brian: And other than,

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Nathan: other than that, he's pretty much,

you know, playing it relatively, I do

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:

Bee: love.

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:

Nathan: Yeah.

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I would agree.

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Bee: Our photo.

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And yeah.

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I also love Dead Poets Society.

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Sam: He's great in that.

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:

It's a quality movie.

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:

I don't know

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Bee: if that qualifies as non comedic, but

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Sam: I will say, Bea, regarding the

close ups, I know what you mean.

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Sometimes Christopher Nolan has a lot of

He uses close ups a lot that sometimes

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irritate me, but in this film, I really

liked the, like, the blood, like Bleeding

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through the carpet or like the close

up of memories or like flashback, the

619

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close ups added to the horror feeling

that you're talking about, which I like,

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Bee: yeah, it definitely did feel harry,

which I thought was some of the best

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parts like him just losing his mind.

622

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So tell room I thought was really great.

623

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But there was some parts of it like

drawing the connection, you know,

624

:

and this is just a story flaw.

625

:

So you could almost say it's

not really Christopher Nolan's.

626

:

Fault on this one, right?

627

:

Cause it's a remake, but I don't

think we need to kind of, as an

628

:

audience compare Pacino and Williams's

characters as like, Oh, I don't know.

629

:

They're kind of like, we've

gained empathy with one.

630

:

Why not the other?

631

:

Like they just, aren't convincing me

as two halves of the same coin here.

632

:

And it's a theme that appears

later in Nolan's films.

633

:

And I think he does it better.

634

:

Later, I'm just not super sold on

this and I wish I was more so, yeah,

635

:

Nathan: Go ahead.

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:

But I think there's actually a really

interesting dichotomy between the Pacino

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character and the Williams character.

638

:

And cause Williams, there's a,

there's a thing that's going on here.

639

:

Williams claims that he killed

the girl, but didn't mean to.

640

:

Pacino more or less admits that.

641

:

he killed his partner, but you know,

this is a great moment where Williams

642

:

is kind of like asking, well, of

course he didn't mean to do it.

643

:

Right.

644

:

and Williams knows Pacino's

history back in LA.

645

:

We haven't really gotten to the details

of the plot yet, and he knows he's kind

646

:

of a dirty cop and it comes down to this

moral of, do the ends justify the means?

647

:

And I kind of like how Williams

is trying to well, you know, we're

648

:

kind of the same type of thing,

but I don't buy it as an audience.

649

:

Like this is not like a Batman

and Joker type of thing, you know,

650

:

we're two halves of the same coin.

651

:

Sam: Exactly.

652

:

I also think that like Pacino,

he's a dirty cop, but like he's.

653

:

quote unquote, like good intention

to where I think Robin Williams

654

:

is like way more twisted.

655

:

So I don't see the two

of them in each other.

656

:

I feel like Al Pacino has unfortunately

slipped into the darkness and

657

:

his choices have brought him into

close contact with Robin Williams.

658

:

I'll say really quick that liking

Robin Williams restrained performance.

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:

The one time where he does the passive

aggressive performance well is when

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he's being questioned by the police

and he's trying to pin it on Randy.

661

:

And Al Pacino is like

getting really mad at him.

662

:

And he's like, why are we talking

663

:

Bee: about Randy all of a

664

:

Sam: sudden?

665

:

And he's like, we find the

murder weapon and like.

666

:

Robin Williams is like, yeah,

maybe do you think it would help?

667

:

And he's like looking at

Pacino, like, screw you, man.

668

:

You're not going to

sink me in this office.

669

:

So I like that scene.

670

:

Yeah.

671

:

Bee: Yeah.

672

:

And I think good writing

673

:

Nathan: in there.

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:

Bee: Yeah.

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:

And to both of your points, like,

I don't think we need to buy that.

676

:

Williams and Pacino were

two halves of the same coin.

677

:

We just need to think Pacino thinks

he's slipping and wonders that of him.

678

:

And Williams

679

:

Nathan: thinks that there are,

they're connected and that's

680

:

what he's getting off on.

681

:

Bee: Yeah.

682

:

I do think then that leads us into

the Hillary Swank character, which is

683

:

of course like her, Only real meat is

the end of the movie, and I just don't

684

:

love the direction of that character.

685

:

I wish, I almost wish that character,

and I don't like to judge movies.

686

:

I'm like, this is what they should have

done, because like, what do I know?

687

:

But it, it just didn't feel like they

had any kind of, I wanted her to be

688

:

more disappointed in him, and like

crestfallen, and I wanted that like,

689

:

oh no, like that mentor kind of You

know, did he break her kind of a thing?

690

:

She

691

:

Sam: does hero worship him, you

know, even when she knows the

692

:

truth, she tries to hide it.

693

:

He's like, don't lose your way.

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:

Nathan: I know that was part of that.

695

:

By the way, we should mention that

the Hillary Swain character is not.

696

:

Character that's really

in the original version.

697

:

She was kind of fabricated, not

fabricated, it's all fictional story,

698

:

but she was created for this version.

699

:

But it was driving me nuts.

700

:

She's written as this green cop that

idolizes Dormer, follows him around

701

:

like a puppy dog, taking notes from him.

702

:

Pacino spews out this nonsense, some

of the most cliched bullshit about

703

:

solving crimes and life advice.

704

:

And she's just sucking it up.

705

:

And like we just talked about, it's

not until the end of the film, she's

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:

given some agency and is faced with

the decision she's still willing to

707

:

break the law for Pacino in the end.

708

:

again, another situation where Nolan.

709

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Really is failing to establish,

like, I feel like some

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:

authentic female characters,

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:

Sam: you know, does have those,

those kind of mentor lines where,

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:

like, he could have borrowed a line

from Glenn Close and Air Force One,

713

:

where he's talking to Hillary Swank.

714

:

He's like, you know, if you give

a mouse a glass of milk, he's

715

:

gonna want a cookie as well.

716

:

Oh, I will say on a humorous note that Al

Pacino does in every good Al Pacino movie.

717

:

He has to have one line

that he just yells.

718

:

Like he has to get Pacino ish and loud.

719

:

And in this film, he's got that great

moment where he's talking to, yup.

720

:

He's like, they found

721

:

Brian: her

722

:

Sam: body in a garbage bag.

723

:

I was like, yes, Pacino and

Christopher Nolan was like, Oh,

724

:

That was good.

725

:

Yes.

726

:

Bee: Yes.

727

:

I wish their relationship had become

something so that her deciding to break

728

:

the law for him or not, what actually

felt like moral weight instead of, you

729

:

know, I wanted her to feel like this

is the hardest decision she's come to.

730

:

And instead it just felt like, well,

you're this guy that I idolize because

731

:

I wrote a thesis about you and, yeah.

732

:

She is kind of on

733

:

Sam: the periphery.

734

:

Like she doesn't get a

lot of, I hear you there.

735

:

She could have had more

moments of, you know, like her

736

:

discovering what's going on.

737

:

Bee: Yeah.

738

:

It's, it frustrated me.

739

:

So I don't know.

740

:

But I was engrossed in the movie.

741

:

I, you know, it hooked me.

742

:

I think it's kind of underrated.

743

:

Like it's super watchable, you know, I

think it's just a good watchable popcorn

744

:

movie with some good performances.

745

:

I'd give it a three.

746

:

I'll shoot right down the middle.

747

:

I will say I

748

:

Sam: liked the even though his, even

though this guy's character annoyed

749

:

me, which actor, which supporting actor

was the guy that like disagreed with.

750

:

Everything Pacino did.

751

:

He was the cop in the town

who was like, Oh, well, yeah.

752

:

He's like, well, you're planning

on telling us that he was like

753

:

every single thing Pacino does.

754

:

He's like, is that really necessary?

755

:

This was already in the report.

756

:

His whole character is like, I'm going

to disagree with everything you say ever.

757

:

And I was like, Oh, you

annoy me, but you're a

758

:

Nathan: great actor.

759

:

every time he shows up,

I love him and things.

760

:

Yeah.

761

:

Sam: Yeah.

762

:

Nathan: It's Nicky cat.

763

:

He's great.

764

:

Great mustache.

765

:

Sam: Yeah.

766

:

He was, I mean, his

performance was excellent.

767

:

Nathan: What else I want?

768

:

there's a few other things

I want to mention here.

769

:

The scene in the

770

:

Sam: I like the fog scene, the fog.

771

:

Yeah.

772

:

Nathan: Yes.

773

:

I also want, yeah, that was really cool.

774

:

I want to talk about dual scenes.

775

:

I just, we already mentioned this before,

you know, the, the phone call to Hap's

776

:

family, cause this was my favorite

scene in the movie, cause it really.

777

:

Shows that these are real characters,

and he's got history with Hap's family.

778

:

The daughter answers the phone.

779

:

Dormer or Pacino is clearly

disoriented because I think if

780

:

he was thinking straight, he

would have waited until later.

781

:

To call after the young girl was in bed.

782

:

And I, I liked the fact that it fleshes

out the lives of these characters inside.

783

:

It gives them history.

784

:

He knows his family.

785

:

He knows the wife's name, the real people.

786

:

And what I appreciate is that

when Nolan chooses to shoot

787

:

Pacino, it's all in closeup.

788

:

You know, and it cuts to him, it

cuts him like really no slack at all.

789

:

And like you said, it shows the little

closeup of his hand in the pencil.

790

:

I really love how the scene is done.

791

:

It's, I think it's a great

performance from Pacino.

792

:

It's basically a single take too,

except for those few cutaways.

793

:

So we don't ever see another

angle that it's cut to.

794

:

We're all up in his grill the entire time.

795

:

It's really the audience

holding him accountable.

796

:

For what he's done, his actions.

797

:

I love that scene.

798

:

It's my favorite of the movie.

799

:

There's the great action scene.

800

:

Also, this is the log chase.

801

:

I think we should talk about that.

802

:

That was so stressful.

803

:

Bee: Yeah, that was so stressful.

804

:

I was like,

805

:

Sam: it was stressful, but

it felt It exact me too.

806

:

And it, but it felt like

the physics of it felt real.

807

:

I was like, yes, it was

like, yeah, it makes sense.

808

:

Like Robin Williams, he's like from

the town and he's like running along.

809

:

But like when Al Pacino gets stuck

underwater, I was like the most

810

:

claustrophobic, like that was like a,

just a nightmare, you know, in a good way.

811

:

What works

812

:

Nathan: for me is he falls under, and

this is where like the sound design is

813

:

incredible because do you hear that?

814

:

Like, Echoing reverberation of those

logs, which way feel like they're selling

815

:

away a ton banging into each other.

816

:

And it's just, that's just a great

moment that just builds that tension.

817

:

Yeah, it's, it's really, really

brilliant The whole scene.

818

:

Yeah.

819

:

Bee: It's true.

820

:

Nathan: like,

821

:

Sam: Oh no, keep going.

822

:

Nathan: No, you had something

to say about that scene.

823

:

I was just going to say

824

:

Sam: Nolan likes closeups a

lot in, in a lot of his movies.

825

:

And for me in this movie,

his closeups really work.

826

:

Story wise, character wise, because

you're like in Al Pacino's head,

827

:

but he likes those medium shots.

828

:

And I agree be that like, it'd be

great that if you back out and show

829

:

the town a little bit more, but

at the very least, he does get a

830

:

couple of good Establishing shots.

831

:

It's so funny though.

832

:

Cause like, because the sun never

sets, there's one scene where like

833

:

Al Pacino and Robin Williams are like

talking to each other in the middle of

834

:

the road towards the end of the movie.

835

:

And you're like, guys,

what if someone drives by?

836

:

Like you might want to

like hide in the woods.

837

:

Like that because it's, you know, it's

nighttime and no one's around, but

838

:

like when, because of the fact the sun

never sets when Al Pacino goes out and

839

:

he's like, you know, shoots the bullet

in the middle of the town at night.

840

:

Even though it's daytime looking,

I'm like, man, be more careful.

841

:

Like I wanted to ask you guys too.

842

:

It, it's in a good way, it drives me nuts.

843

:

In a good character driven

way that he doesn't admit what

844

:

happened when he kills his partner.

845

:

I feel like he had a chance right

then and there to be like, I shot him.

846

:

Oh my God.

847

:

I can't believe I did that.

848

:

And the fact that he just goes past

that moment and chooses to cover it up.

849

:

I'm like, yeah.

850

:

You just dug your grave right there.

851

:

You know what I mean?

852

:

Like, I can't believe he did that.

853

:

Nathan: Yeah.

854

:

I mean, this,

855

:

Sam: this was him

856

:

Nathan: crossing

857

:

Bee: the line.

858

:

Oh, sorry, B go ahead.

859

:

No, I was going to say, I think he's

afraid that, you know, people are going

860

:

to see, Oh, you heard he was going to work

on that internal affairs investigation.

861

:

And I don't think he thinks

anyone would believe him.

862

:

Like I think he feels

backed into a corner.

863

:

Nathan: Exactly.

864

:

And which I actually went back and I

watched that scene again a couple of

865

:

days later because I wanted to make

sure I understood this because the

866

:

whole movie hinges on that moment where

they're sitting in the restaurant and

867

:

his partner is going to make a deal.

868

:

Well, this is going to, if he

does this, this undermines.

869

:

All of Al Pacino's entire

career, apparently all of

870

:

everybody that he's put away.

871

:

And then apparently there's some other

person that they convicted could be

872

:

let out some very dangerous person.

873

:

So I didn't, I don't think I caught

this when I watched it probably the

874

:

first two times, but I, understood

a little bit clearer when I watched

875

:

scene again, the implications

by his partner making this deal.

876

:

So it's easy to miss that, but yeah,

that's why he's put in such a tough

877

:

position when he does kill his partner.

878

:

Cause I think everyone knows what this

would have meant for his career, you know.

879

:

if this deal was made what, you know, I,

there was a couple of, questions I had,

880

:

this is kind of a funny thing, you know?

881

:

So was there a scene where Al Pacino's

character he starts to strike up

882

:

a bit of a relationship with the

woman who was played by Maura

883

:

Tierney that works at the hotel.

884

:

Does he sleep with her?

885

:

Cause she wakes up in

his room at one time.

886

:

In his

887

:

Bee: bed.

888

:

Yeah.

889

:

I got the feeling that yes.

890

:

Nathan: Now, Al Pacino was

61 when this film was made,

891

:

Bee: but he's unnecessarily

horny in this role.

892

:

I did not get that connection.

893

:

He very well may have.

894

:

Sam: was, it was so, like, subtle,

like, that she was in the room, but

895

:

I don't know if she was just there to

comfort him, but like, maybe they did.

896

:

I've seen it a couple times and I can't

quite tell, like, just the way it's shot.

897

:

I was like, well, maybe, I don't know.

898

:

Nathan: Okay.

899

:

She's what?

900

:

30 in this movie, 20, 33 in

this movie, Al Pacino's 61.

901

:

Is Al Pacino sexy, attractive,

I mean, really at 61?

902

:

No.

903

:

Bee: No.

904

:

I don't get it.

905

:

I don't understand.

906

:

She was fully clothed.

907

:

I thought that was good.

908

:

it was also weird because it's like, I

was like, Oh, maybe it was like just such

909

:

an emotionally exhausting conversation.

910

:

Like someone needs to lie

down, but she was the helper.

911

:

She wasn't the exhausted one.

912

:

It was him.

913

:

So I don't know where the

like need for respite came in.

914

:

Sam: I think it should have been The movie

should have turned into a musical at that

915

:

moment when he's like talking to her,

he's like, I feel regret for what I did.

916

:

It was not the right thing to do.

917

:

Can you blame me?

918

:

Oh, I find you attractive.

919

:

24601.

920

:

24601, Dorma

921

:

Bee: here,

922

:

Sam: Dorma here.

923

:

Bee: Yeah, that's another

relationship that just felt like

924

:

weirdly rushed and then a lot of

emphasis placed on it out of nowhere,

925

:

just,

926

:

Bee: yeah, well, it wasn't stellar.

927

:

Nathan: How do you, so B, you

also saw the Norwegian version.

928

:

How do you think this compares or

what do you, how do you Cause it's

929

:

very, it's the same story, but the

characterizations are very different.

930

:

Bee: Very different interpretation.

931

:

So I thought the original was much

more bleak and that sort of makes

932

:

this one look more Americanized, I

guess, for lack of a better word,

933

:

you know, the dog's already dead.

934

:

Nathan: thing with the dog

was Sam, I don't want to spoil

935

:

for you, but it's brutal.

936

:

And the character, it's an Al

Pacino character who's played

937

:

by Stellan Skarsgård, he is a.

938

:

Bad person in that movie.

939

:

Bee: Yeah.

940

:

It's just a different perspective on

941

:

Sam: it.

942

:

Bee: Yeah.

943

:

The Americanization just, it just

felt a little more like hopeful.

944

:

It felt a little more like, you know,

morally we want to be the shiny good

945

:

guys that I just comparatively, I think

you know, we compared it to some novels

946

:

that were popular around the time.

947

:

And I think that's probably true.

948

:

Yeah.

949

:

Yeah.

950

:

I don't know that I

really loved either one.

951

:

Yes, Sam?

952

:

Sam: in the American version, I know

how you mean how it's like Americanized,

953

:

it's like, we may have a tough case.

954

:

We may be having problems,

but we can always go to Dunkin

955

:

Donuts and get a coffee.

956

:

It is no longer Al Pacino, it's Dunk

a chino, Dunk a chino, ho ho ho, it's

957

:

gonna be okay, I committed murder,

but I'm kind of a good guy, you know?

958

:

Bee: I was hoping we'd get

a Dunk a chino reference.

959

:

Yeah.

960

:

So thank you, Sam.

961

:

Would you like a Dunkin

962

:

Sam: Chino?

963

:

Don't mind if I do.

964

:

Bee: Yes.

965

:

And like, I don't really know that

I came away loving either movie.

966

:

I actually think I kind

of prefer her Pachino's.

967

:

Vision for the character a little

bit more you know, they're just, they

968

:

just sort of read as different movies.

969

:

Yeah.

970

:

Nathan: So one of the, I have a gripe

when I have a couple of graphs, but

971

:

there's one that has nothing really

that's per se to do about this movie,

972

:

but this was, I laugh every time

I think about this and I might be.

973

:

Well, I don't know.

974

:

I might be misremembering, you know,

back when I saw this in:

975

:

I thought the perpetual daylight played

a much bigger role in this movie.

976

:

At least I remembered it.

977

:

Now, when I see Pacino breaking down

But maybe I was remembering scenes from

978

:

the, the 97 version of this because I

think that movie, it plays a bigger role.

979

:

You see the Stellan Skarsgård constantly

fighting with the shades and dealing

980

:

with that the aspect of the story.

981

:

I feel like a little bit

more than this movie.

982

:

And maybe because I saw those

movies very close together.

983

:

You know, like 20, 25 years ago, I

was kind of mixing them together,

984

:

but now I've seen them again.

985

:

I realized that there, I see more of the

effects of his exhaustion is in less of

986

:

like the actual fighting the, I don't

know how I'm trying to say here, but

987

:

like, I think both movies are kind of

bleeding together, those characters and

988

:

like how they were dealing with this

lack of nighttime, but this is kind

989

:

of, this is what kind of made me laugh.

990

:

It's just seems so

obvious that if you live.

991

:

In Nightmute, Alaska, where

there are extended parts of the

992

:

year where the sun doesn't set.

993

:

And this might be like the 2024 in May

and maybe in:

994

:

I don't know, but face masks would

be sold at every corner store.

995

:

Blocking out the sun

should not be a problem.

996

:

Everybody should have

a perfect sleep easily.

997

:

Yeah, I don't understand.

998

:

Sam: 100%.

999

:

Nathan: How come, like,

this is not an easy fix?

:

00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:31,839

Bee: Yeah, you have to just,

like, sort of buy into the

:

00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:33,629

conceit of the movie on that one.

:

00:47:34,409 --> 00:47:36,159

That, there's like, just, come on,

:

00:47:36,179 --> 00:47:37,229

come on, really?

:

00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:40,209

He's from out of town, you know?

:

00:47:40,439 --> 00:47:41,719

Do you not know this exists?

:

00:47:41,789 --> 00:47:42,949

Maybe they didn't exist.

:

00:47:42,949 --> 00:47:43,659

I don't know.

:

00:47:43,659 --> 00:47:45,019

Je ne sais pas.

:

00:47:46,689 --> 00:47:47,549

Sam: can you blame me?

:

00:47:47,649 --> 00:47:49,409

Would I fire bullets at myself?

:

00:47:49,409 --> 00:47:50,519

Would I blow up my own car?

:

00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:51,229

Aw, man.

:

00:47:51,284 --> 00:47:52,341

did I lose connection again?

:

00:47:52,501 --> 00:47:53,261

Son of a bitch.

:

00:47:53,591 --> 00:47:54,081

I'm going.

:

00:47:54,081 --> 00:47:54,241

No.

:

00:47:54,241 --> 00:47:56,301

Oh, wow.

:

00:47:56,301 --> 00:48:01,281

Nathan: And there's another

trope that I think is funny.

:

00:48:01,291 --> 00:48:02,751

there's the small town.

:

00:48:02,801 --> 00:48:03,021

Brian: There's,

:

00:48:03,091 --> 00:48:05,201

Nathan: there's the big though.

:

00:48:05,211 --> 00:48:11,071

That's the, the big LA cops always being

sent to the small towns to solve problems.

:

00:48:13,806 --> 00:48:15,376

It seems like even Robin

:

00:48:15,376 --> 00:48:18,846

Bee: Williams is like, I thought I

could handle these podunk cops out

:

00:48:18,846 --> 00:48:23,776

here, but then, whoa, you guys came in

from LA and I was shaking in my boots.

:

00:48:24,216 --> 00:48:25,836

Yeah, it's super tropey.

:

00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:28,416

I think it relies really heavily on very

:

00:48:28,466 --> 00:48:30,396

thinly crafted relationships.

:

00:48:30,756 --> 00:48:33,736

All of that said, like,

yeah, I've seen worse movies.

:

00:48:33,736 --> 00:48:35,786

It's just

:

00:48:35,786 --> 00:48:40,636

Bee: like I, and I'm also as a movie

watcher, generally pretty gullible, you

:

00:48:40,636 --> 00:48:45,036

know, I'm just on board for whatever

the director wants to tell me and what

:

00:48:45,036 --> 00:48:46,596

I'm supposed to believe at that point.

:

00:48:46,596 --> 00:48:49,376

So I think I was fine just kind of.

:

00:48:50,841 --> 00:48:53,211

Watching it and just going along with it.

:

00:48:53,991 --> 00:48:59,491

Nathan: I really, I think I'm just extra

harsh in this because I'm such a huge fan.

:

00:49:00,231 --> 00:49:06,651

Of the movies that he did surrounding

this and this error of knowing, this

:

00:49:06,651 --> 00:49:10,781

just sticks out as like something

that I just don't understand

:

00:49:10,811 --> 00:49:12,971

what he's trying to do here.

:

00:49:12,971 --> 00:49:15,031

What makes this movie special?

:

00:49:15,051 --> 00:49:19,991

And I feel like there's nothing

special about this film.

:

00:49:20,621 --> 00:49:23,181

And like I said before, it feels like

:

00:49:24,031 --> 00:49:25,991

Sam: I understand that

it's a motor like, I would,

:

00:49:26,071 --> 00:49:27,241

Nathan: I would want to see this.

:

00:49:27,281 --> 00:49:28,461

I really am serious.

:

00:49:28,501 --> 00:49:33,621

I would love to see this as

a six, eight episode series.

:

00:49:33,841 --> 00:49:38,531

I think this would be an amazing

story and I want to see it that way.

:

00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:39,591

And again, I'm not going to.

:

00:49:39,641 --> 00:49:42,951

Keep rehashing that because we're

just, you know, elongating this

:

00:49:42,971 --> 00:49:44,311

episode for no good reason at all.

:

00:49:44,311 --> 00:49:45,851

But I, I really feel that way.

:

00:49:45,861 --> 00:49:46,891

This is a great idea.

:

00:49:46,891 --> 00:49:47,651

It does have a

:

00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:50,371

Sam: more like safe commercial feel to it.

:

00:49:52,341 --> 00:49:52,631

Yeah.

:

00:49:52,841 --> 00:49:53,481

Well, here's,

:

00:49:54,271 --> 00:49:58,271

Bee: here's a question because we

sort of asked the inverse before, do

:

00:49:58,271 --> 00:50:02,911

you think this movie would have been

helped with some nonlinear editing,

:

00:50:06,241 --> 00:50:09,151

Sam: maybe a little bit, but

it could have been dangerously

:

00:50:09,161 --> 00:50:10,851

gimmicky if done the wrong way.

:

00:50:12,391 --> 00:50:18,111

Nathan: Yeah, I don't know, but it does,

it does do something that is interesting.

:

00:50:18,111 --> 00:50:19,231

that is unexpected.

:

00:50:19,261 --> 00:50:22,391

You know, I like how this film

kind of transitions its narrative

:

00:50:22,621 --> 00:50:23,451

halfway through the film.

:

00:50:23,451 --> 00:50:27,171

Cause you think what you're watching

here, it's set up as a mystery surrounding

:

00:50:27,491 --> 00:50:32,431

the pursuit of a serial killer, but

you know, Pacino resolves the mystery.

:

00:50:32,611 --> 00:50:34,941

Pretty fast half of the movie.

:

00:50:35,081 --> 00:50:36,831

We know who the killer is.

:

00:50:36,941 --> 00:50:40,951

We know pretty much everything,

all the facts of this case.

:

00:50:42,011 --> 00:50:44,351

And I'm thinking, well, where are

we going to go with this movie now?

:

00:50:44,851 --> 00:50:51,471

what seamlessly evolves into is a deeper

exploration of characters immorality.

:

00:50:51,541 --> 00:50:53,161

and that's what this movie is.

:

00:50:53,181 --> 00:50:54,691

It's not a mystery.

:

00:50:54,731 --> 00:50:55,841

It's not a murder mystery at all.

:

00:50:55,851 --> 00:50:56,811

It is really just.

:

00:50:57,151 --> 00:50:58,171

something completely different.

:

00:50:58,381 --> 00:51:00,771

And that's what I like about that twist.

:

00:51:00,851 --> 00:51:01,891

It's something else

:

00:51:02,431 --> 00:51:04,331

Sam: It's like the reason

I like the movie, like that

:

00:51:04,331 --> 00:51:06,411

twist is what does it for me?

:

00:51:06,471 --> 00:51:09,701

That twist really makes it

better than if he just solved it.

:

00:51:09,711 --> 00:51:13,091

Like the twist certainly helps,

but I totally agree with you there.

:

00:51:14,686 --> 00:51:15,906

Bee: I was the whole time.

:

00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:21,476

Like what kept my attention was did

Al Pacino know it was his partner?

:

00:51:21,946 --> 00:51:24,881

You know, like I was, I

was also wondering, I don't

:

00:51:24,881 --> 00:51:25,876

Sam: think did, that's

just my interpretation.

:

00:51:25,881 --> 00:51:27,061

I don't think he knew.

:

00:51:27,151 --> 00:51:27,421

Yeah,

:

00:51:28,071 --> 00:51:29,451

Bee: I don't think he did in the end.

:

00:51:29,451 --> 00:51:30,471

I think I came around to that.

:

00:51:30,471 --> 00:51:32,631

I think it could be swayed to

the other side of that easily.

:

00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,461

But throughout the film, I kept

coming back to that central question.

:

00:51:36,491 --> 00:51:36,551

Yeah.

:

00:51:36,611 --> 00:51:37,421

As a viewer.

:

00:51:37,751 --> 00:51:39,581

And that's what kept

me hooked on the film.

:

00:51:40,221 --> 00:51:41,601

That's what I think that he got so,

:

00:51:42,276 --> 00:51:46,481

Sam: so sleep deprived that I think he

got so sleep deprived that he just lost

:

00:51:46,486 --> 00:51:48,641

his way and is like, maybe I, maybe I did.

:

00:51:48,641 --> 00:51:49,421

I don't know anymore.

:

00:51:49,451 --> 00:51:49,931

'cause he's like.

:

00:51:50,161 --> 00:51:51,281

Losing his mind.

:

00:51:51,321 --> 00:51:51,831

Basically,

:

00:51:51,881 --> 00:51:55,201

Nathan: I don't think he was sleep

deprived when he shot his partner though.

:

00:51:56,081 --> 00:51:59,901

Sam: No, but I think it was an

honest mistake, or at least that's

:

00:52:00,151 --> 00:52:03,781

how it felt like it was directed,

but it's open to interpretation.

:

00:52:05,101 --> 00:52:05,631

Nathan: All right.

:

00:52:06,181 --> 00:52:09,521

Why don't we take a break for a moment?

:

00:52:11,511 --> 00:52:14,791

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Okay, I almost knocked my microphone,

so we're going to come back now with

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00:53:17,616 --> 00:53:23,696

our closing thoughts and our decision

if insomnia from Christopher Nolan is

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00:53:23,696 --> 00:53:29,456

going to be preserved in our fallout

shelter in the vault for to survive

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00:53:29,486 --> 00:53:33,896

the impending asteroid apocalypse, or

if it's going to suffer the fate of a

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00:53:33,906 --> 00:53:37,196

fiery death, never to be seen again.

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00:53:37,611 --> 00:53:39,571

Burned forever.

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00:53:42,321 --> 00:53:42,561

. Okay.

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00:53:44,371 --> 00:53:45,211

That's our new sound.

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00:53:47,671 --> 00:53:49,531

Sam, why don't you just do

all of our sound effects.

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00:53:50,141 --> 00:53:50,411

Bee: Yeah.

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00:53:50,411 --> 00:53:51,581

Brian: Sam's like a man fully.

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00:53:51,581 --> 00:53:52,751

Don't mind if I do.

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00:53:52,751 --> 00:53:52,991

Yeah.

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00:53:53,021 --> 00:53:53,771

Dunk Ccino.

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00:53:53,771 --> 00:53:53,861

Ho.

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Well, well, maybe not

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00:54:01,261 --> 00:54:01,591

.

Nathan: Okay.

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00:54:06,096 --> 00:54:06,856

I, okay.

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00:54:06,941 --> 00:54:08,771

I I'm not gonna retread it again.

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00:54:09,221 --> 00:54:10,151

I've said it before.

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00:54:10,321 --> 00:54:18,431

I think this movie is ordinary at

best and that no one has done so many

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00:54:18,431 --> 00:54:22,501

better films and I think maybe the

movie we're going to do next week

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00:54:22,751 --> 00:54:24,611

is probably one of his best as well.

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00:54:25,466 --> 00:54:28,966

And I do not feel that this is

anything special that needs to be

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00:54:29,296 --> 00:54:31,876

preserved for future generations.

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00:54:31,896 --> 00:54:36,166

I think the murder mystery genre

has been done many times before.

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00:54:36,166 --> 00:54:39,906

There are much better Al Pacino movies

as much better Robin Williams movies.

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00:54:40,216 --> 00:54:43,346

This is not the film that

I think best represents.

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00:54:43,706 --> 00:54:48,686

Any of these very fine

artists of their best work.

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00:54:49,016 --> 00:54:53,596

So I unfortunately say, no,

I do not believe we need to

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00:54:53,596 --> 00:54:55,656

include this in our vault.

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00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:57,426

And that's just how I feel.

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00:54:59,996 --> 00:55:00,866

Bee: one man's opinion.

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00:55:00,886 --> 00:55:01,446

Sam.

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00:55:02,241 --> 00:55:04,941

Sam: Sam, because I'm probably

going to lose the connection.

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00:55:04,961 --> 00:55:07,781

I'll just say, yes, I would include

it in the vault without saying any

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00:55:07,781 --> 00:55:11,461

more words before I get cut off For

no reason other than I've watched this

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00:55:11,491 --> 00:55:14,191

movie on a rainy day in the underground.

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00:55:16,551 --> 00:55:18,416

Bee: It can't rain.

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00:55:18,416 --> 00:55:20,531

Sam: Acid rain.

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00:55:20,951 --> 00:55:21,091

Let's

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00:55:21,091 --> 00:55:21,681

Nathan: say we have a leak.

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00:55:21,921 --> 00:55:24,341

I hope there's not a leak in our, Oh God.

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00:55:24,391 --> 00:55:24,621

That would be

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Sam: all.

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00:55:24,791 --> 00:55:25,451

Don't caccino.

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00:55:25,451 --> 00:55:27,871

Don't caccino.

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Bee: Oh my God.

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00:55:31,301 --> 00:55:31,581

All right.

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00:55:31,581 --> 00:55:32,401

So it's up to me.

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00:55:32,441 --> 00:55:33,741

I'm the tiebreaker.

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00:55:33,751 --> 00:55:34,421

You are.

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00:55:35,001 --> 00:55:35,411

Yeah.

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This isn't easy.

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No, for me.

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00:55:37,231 --> 00:55:37,711

I liked it.

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I enjoyed it.

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00:55:38,471 --> 00:55:39,381

I think it's underrated.

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00:55:39,521 --> 00:55:40,781

We don't need to save it forever.

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Nathan: Did not hesitate.

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All right.

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00:55:52,471 --> 00:55:53,031

There you have it.

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00:55:53,181 --> 00:55:56,011

Onto other Nolan films.

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00:55:56,801 --> 00:55:57,201

Bee: There we go.

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00:55:57,591 --> 00:55:58,261

Stay tuned next week.

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00:56:01,201 --> 00:56:02,161

Nathan: Well, don't worry.

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00:56:02,181 --> 00:56:04,871

There's there, there's other Nolan films,

there's other Pacino films, there's

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00:56:04,901 --> 00:56:06,971

other Robin Williams films that I'm sure.

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00:56:06,971 --> 00:56:07,836

That's right.

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00:56:08,186 --> 00:56:09,516

We'll squeeze in some day

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00:56:10,436 --> 00:56:14,716

Sam: Al Pacino's best film ever is

88 minutes is a masterpiece Just get

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00:56:14,766 --> 00:56:15,886

Nathan: one with Edward Burns.

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00:56:16,246 --> 00:56:18,336

Sam: Yeah, it's the one where he's

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00:56:18,486 --> 00:56:19,316

Nathan: never seen it

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00:56:19,366 --> 00:56:23,026

Sam: He's like what I fire bullets

at myself when I blow up my own car.

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00:56:23,126 --> 00:56:23,676

No

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00:56:25,411 --> 00:56:27,651

Bee: I can't tell if

you're like sarcastically

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00:56:27,651 --> 00:56:29,101

recommending that to me or not,

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00:56:29,221 --> 00:56:32,621

Sam: cause I know well, it, you

will be amused if you watch it.

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00:56:32,631 --> 00:56:33,431

It is amusing.

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00:56:33,461 --> 00:56:34,091

Put it that way.

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00:56:35,081 --> 00:56:35,411

Trailer: Okay.

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00:56:35,821 --> 00:56:36,451

Sir.

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00:56:36,831 --> 00:56:37,291

Sam: What?

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00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:39,581

Trailer: Are either one of these any good?

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00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:40,811

I don't watch movies.

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00:56:42,411 --> 00:56:44,981

Well, have you heard anything

about either one of them?

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00:56:44,981 --> 00:56:47,461

I find it's best to stay out

of other people's affairs.

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00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:52,431

You mean you haven't heard anybody say

anything about either one of these?

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00:56:52,431 --> 00:56:52,521

Nope.

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00:56:52,521 --> 00:56:52,971

Nope.

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00:56:58,576 --> 00:56:59,876

Well, what about these two?

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00:57:00,116 --> 00:57:00,396

Nathan: Oh, they

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00:57:00,396 --> 00:57:00,956

Trailer: suck.

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00:57:01,326 --> 00:57:05,236

Nathan: So we're just going to go to our

next segment, which is our movie pairings.

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00:57:05,866 --> 00:57:11,636

This is where we recommend a film

for a double feature with our main

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00:57:11,636 --> 00:57:13,726

feature, which is insomnia this week.

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00:57:14,236 --> 00:57:19,026

So what would be a great

film to watch with this film?

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00:57:19,076 --> 00:57:23,556

And I guess since I went

first tonight, I will begin.

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00:57:24,576 --> 00:57:31,116

So my recommendation as a double

feature with insomnia, which

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00:57:31,126 --> 00:57:33,536

I think is kind of a perfect.

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00:57:34,301 --> 00:57:38,131

Movie because it balances

out the movie insomnia.

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00:57:38,561 --> 00:57:43,941

So where insomnia puts you in a

world where the sun doesn't set the

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00:57:43,941 --> 00:57:48,391

film, I'm recommending puts you in

a world where the sun never rises.

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00:57:49,271 --> 00:57:55,211

And that, of course, is the:

highly underrated vampire flick

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00:57:55,261 --> 00:57:57,431

from David Slade, 30 Days of Night.

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00:57:58,901 --> 00:58:01,411

Bee: I have never even heard of this.

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00:58:02,631 --> 00:58:08,341

Nathan: If, so I haven't seen this in

quite some time, but what I can say is

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00:58:08,341 --> 00:58:15,091

that there are lots of bad vampire movies

out there, but 30 days of night works

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00:58:15,461 --> 00:58:17,981

because it has a really great premise.

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00:58:18,291 --> 00:58:22,221

You got people stranded in an

Alaskan town during the period of

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00:58:22,221 --> 00:58:27,611

the year where the sun doesn't rise

and toss in a vampire outbreak.

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00:58:28,341 --> 00:58:30,851

I mean the movie just writes itself.

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00:58:31,511 --> 00:58:32,371

Yeah, that sounds fun.

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00:58:32,576 --> 00:58:32,676

Yeah.

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00:58:32,726 --> 00:58:37,496

It stars Josh Hartnett, Melissa

George, Danny Houston, and Ben Foster.

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00:58:38,356 --> 00:58:39,386

Bee: You had me at Josh Hartnett.

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00:58:40,326 --> 00:58:43,816

Nathan: It's an awesome cast, especially

Danny Houston as the head vampire.

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00:58:44,406 --> 00:58:49,176

It's an incredibly violent movie,

vicious and gory, but I like that.

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00:58:49,176 --> 00:58:52,326

It gives the vampires their own mythos.

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00:58:52,356 --> 00:58:53,406

they have a unique look

:

00:58:53,406 --> 00:58:55,096

Bee: and

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00:58:55,096 --> 00:58:56,586

Nathan: distinctive characteristics.

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00:58:57,241 --> 00:58:59,621

You haven't seen in other vampire movies.

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00:58:59,631 --> 00:59:03,431

So in Hartnett is solid as the lead,

as the sheriff defending the town.

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00:59:03,681 --> 00:59:07,691

This also prompts me to propose a

sub genre we should do sometime.

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00:59:07,691 --> 00:59:09,121

And that would be small town.

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00:59:09,131 --> 00:59:10,931

Sheriff's fighting monsters.

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00:59:11,471 --> 00:59:13,331

Bee: Yes, I'm down the dead.

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00:59:13,331 --> 00:59:13,711

Don't die.

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00:59:13,711 --> 00:59:14,121

Let's do it.

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00:59:14,411 --> 00:59:14,491

Yeah.

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00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:15,471

Yes, exactly.

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00:59:15,591 --> 00:59:15,861

Yeah.

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00:59:15,861 --> 00:59:18,921

Nathan: So 30 days a night I

think is right now streaming

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00:59:18,921 --> 00:59:20,781

on Netflix and on Pluto TV.

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00:59:22,011 --> 00:59:22,321

Nathan,

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00:59:22,321 --> 00:59:24,291

Bee: I know we're both Jarmusch fans.

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00:59:24,291 --> 00:59:26,241

Have you seen Only Lovers Left Alive?

:

00:59:26,271 --> 00:59:28,301

Speaking of vampires

with their own mythos.

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00:59:28,361 --> 00:59:29,141

Nathan: Yeah.

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00:59:29,211 --> 00:59:30,021

Bee: That's another great

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00:59:30,021 --> 00:59:30,231

Nathan: Yeah.

:

00:59:31,271 --> 00:59:32,081

I do like that a lot.

:

00:59:32,741 --> 00:59:33,701

That's a classic.

:

00:59:33,951 --> 00:59:34,361

Okay.

:

00:59:35,991 --> 00:59:37,281

Who's stepping up next here?

:

00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:38,121

I'll give it a shot.

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00:59:38,181 --> 00:59:38,681

Sam: Can you hear me now?

:

00:59:38,681 --> 00:59:38,971

Yes.

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00:59:39,021 --> 00:59:39,161

Yeah.

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00:59:39,421 --> 00:59:43,431

So I would go, we actually mentioned

this movie on this podcast earlier

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00:59:43,431 --> 00:59:48,061

today because of the duality and

nature of, of conflicting darkness.

:

00:59:48,071 --> 00:59:52,671

I would go with Changing Lanes

with Ben Affleck and Samuel L.

:

00:59:52,671 --> 00:59:53,171

Jackson.

:

00:59:53,431 --> 00:59:55,191

I actually really liked that movie.

:

00:59:55,601 --> 00:59:57,301

it's very loosely connected.

:

00:59:57,381 --> 01:00:01,881

There is no snow in it, but there is

both light and dark in both characters.

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01:00:02,241 --> 01:00:04,471

And it's I think you guys

would have a really good time.

:

01:00:04,471 --> 01:00:08,711

Changing Lanes, character driven

So that's my recommend and I will

:

01:00:08,721 --> 01:00:10,361

stop talking before I disappear.

:

01:00:15,021 --> 01:00:18,051

Nathan: I'm just looking at where

changing lanes is available right now,

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01:00:18,051 --> 01:00:19,801

but you can go ahead as I look that up.

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01:00:20,211 --> 01:00:20,811

Bee: Yeah, Sure.

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01:00:21,171 --> 01:00:26,971

So my recommendation, I feel like

very closely aligns with this movie.

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01:00:27,081 --> 01:00:30,071

If you like cop movies.

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01:00:30,271 --> 01:00:32,401

That are kind of horror movies.

:

01:00:32,721 --> 01:00:38,501

If you like disturbing sequences, if you

are a film bro who likes big film bro

:

01:00:38,501 --> 01:00:45,681

directors, or if you like the concept

of the good guys questioning their own

:

01:00:45,681 --> 01:00:50,764

morality and seeing themselves in the bad

guy, then, if you haven't already, pair

:

01:00:50,764 --> 01:00:52,449

this movie with David Fincher's Seven.

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01:00:52,449 --> 01:00:56,549

And Also alluded to in this podcast

or just before the podcast when

:

01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:57,849

Sam was asking, what's in the bag?

:

01:00:58,459 --> 01:00:59,349

it's a classic.

:

01:01:00,819 --> 01:01:02,009

What's in the bag?

:

01:01:02,009 --> 01:01:05,459

I think it's better than insomnia.

:

01:01:05,489 --> 01:01:06,029

I watched it.

:

01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:07,299

I rewatched it recently.

:

01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:08,479

I think it's a classic.

:

01:01:08,489 --> 01:01:09,279

I think it's a great movie.

:

01:01:09,279 --> 01:01:10,699

It's full of great performances.

:

01:01:10,779 --> 01:01:12,806

So you'll just have two

good movies to watch.

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01:01:14,576 --> 01:01:14,876

Nathan: All right.

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01:01:14,886 --> 01:01:15,256

Love it.

:

01:01:16,216 --> 01:01:20,926

I did check by the way, not, oh,

so where is a seven available now?

:

01:01:21,066 --> 01:01:23,326

Showtime and VOD, baby.

:

01:01:23,626 --> 01:01:25,276

Same thing with changing lanes.

:

01:01:25,276 --> 01:01:26,216

I just checked it.

:

01:01:26,236 --> 01:01:28,276

Showtime VOD in on Paramount plus.

:

01:01:28,866 --> 01:01:30,696

All right.

:

01:01:30,746 --> 01:01:31,166

Excellent.

:

01:01:31,196 --> 01:01:34,886

So we got three movie pairings

for everyone out there.

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01:01:34,896 --> 01:01:35,766

Go check them out.

:

01:01:37,066 --> 01:01:37,686

All right.

:

01:01:39,061 --> 01:01:44,981

So we're going to wrap things up here,

but before we do any thing we want

:

01:01:44,981 --> 01:01:48,731

to talk about that we saw in the last

week I think you and I saw monkey, man.

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01:01:50,021 --> 01:01:50,271

Yeah.

:

01:01:50,421 --> 01:01:51,881

Anything you want to mention about that?

:

01:01:51,891 --> 01:01:54,171

That was kind of a, I

had a good time with it.

:

01:01:54,561 --> 01:01:55,181

Bee: I had a great time.

:

01:01:55,201 --> 01:01:55,461

Yeah.

:

01:01:55,471 --> 01:01:56,801

I thought it was really promising.

:

01:01:56,801 --> 01:01:57,771

I thought it was stylish.

:

01:01:57,771 --> 01:02:02,581

I thought it was very referential

in ways that I found mostly fun.

:

01:02:02,921 --> 01:02:05,191

I had some problems with it,

but Hey, it's a debut, you know,

:

01:02:05,541 --> 01:02:07,531

Nathan: yeah,

:

01:02:07,531 --> 01:02:10,551

Bee: and let me tell you, Dave, Dev

Patel, the director really knows

:

01:02:10,551 --> 01:02:11,961

what to do with Dev Patel, the actor.

:

01:02:12,341 --> 01:02:14,591

Nathan: I thought, and that is

like focus on his face, just

:

01:02:14,591 --> 01:02:17,731

brooding and a lot of intense eyes,

:

01:02:18,101 --> 01:02:21,561

Bee: sort of like this very elegant

sort of balletic, even in the

:

01:02:21,561 --> 01:02:25,021

fight scene, really understood

the poet fighter kind of a thing.

:

01:02:25,111 --> 01:02:26,011

I saw a lot of.

:

01:02:26,301 --> 01:02:29,471

You know, I tend to go into movies

blind so I picked up on a lot of

:

01:02:29,471 --> 01:02:32,421

references and then watched a lot of

interviews and they were there like

:

01:02:32,421 --> 01:02:34,371

Bruce Lee is a big one John Wick.

:

01:02:34,381 --> 01:02:38,981

I was happy to see just such a colorful

movie, like there was just so much color

:

01:02:39,101 --> 01:02:40,681

in the film for such a violent movie.

:

01:02:40,681 --> 01:02:41,291

I thought it was great.

:

01:02:42,111 --> 01:02:43,411

Nathan: Yeah, I liked it too.

:

01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:48,011

I was kind of, Whoa, I wasn't, I liked it.

:

01:02:48,031 --> 01:02:51,011

I was, but I was also kind of

lukewarm on it too at times.

:

01:02:51,151 --> 01:02:52,511

it felt very messy.

:

01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:56,241

it's obviously getting a lot of

comparisons to John wick in a lot of ways.

:

01:02:56,671 --> 01:03:00,451

But it's not, gunplay, gunfu, it's

definitely more hand to hand, but I like

:

01:03:00,451 --> 01:03:04,391

the fact that it's, a low budget kind of

streamlined movie and it doesn't seem to

:

01:03:04,401 --> 01:03:09,071

have any pretensions of like starting a

franchise, although I think it will, and

:

01:03:09,081 --> 01:03:14,691

I kind of hope it does because I think

it could be a lot of fun if they do that,

:

01:03:14,691 --> 01:03:16,941

I, I think, I think he's got the goods.

:

01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:22,056

Dev Patel to to to do that, but I like

the fact that it doesn't need to, if

:

01:03:22,056 --> 01:03:25,026

it doesn't, it feels like they weren't

trying to bite off more than they could

:

01:03:25,026 --> 01:03:27,306

chew, like setting up a whole universe.

:

01:03:28,456 --> 01:03:30,336

So I had a good time with it.

:

01:03:30,476 --> 01:03:30,736

Yeah.

:

01:03:30,826 --> 01:03:33,806

Bee: I had a lot of issues

with the editing and that led

:

01:03:33,806 --> 01:03:35,636

to some like story issues.

:

01:03:35,746 --> 01:03:39,216

Just some pacing stuff, but

overall, I was really happy with it.

:

01:03:39,246 --> 01:03:42,056

It kind of reminded me of some like

Shaw brothers again, just throwing a

:

01:03:42,056 --> 01:03:43,816

lot of referential stuff out there.

:

01:03:43,816 --> 01:03:47,566

You could see that Dev is just

a student of film, you know, and

:

01:03:47,566 --> 01:03:48,696

that's, that's always fun to watch.

:

01:03:49,246 --> 01:03:51,076

Nathan: I want to mention

one other thing that I saw.

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01:03:51,076 --> 01:03:52,046

This is kind of funny.

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01:03:52,046 --> 01:03:58,571

I haven't watched wrestling in 33 years.

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01:03:58,601 --> 01:03:59,351

Where's this, this going?

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01:03:59,356 --> 01:04:01,546

I, I stopped over at my, you

finally saw the Iron Claw?

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01:04:02,066 --> 01:04:05,921

I, no, but I saw, I stopped over at my

father's house a couple years ago, and

:

01:04:05,921 --> 01:04:11,431

my brother, my sister and my dad were

watching WrestleMania 40 over the weekend.

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01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:12,481

I'm like, what is going on?

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01:04:12,486 --> 01:04:15,481

Like, like Nathan, we're

watching WrestleMania.

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01:04:15,541 --> 01:04:16,561

I'm like, oh, oh my

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01:04:16,646 --> 01:04:16,806

God.

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01:04:16,946 --> 01:04:17,166

And

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01:04:17,171 --> 01:04:17,911

Nathan: like, do you wanna watch it?

:

01:04:17,911 --> 01:04:20,401

I'm like, I haven't really watched

wrestling in a while, but I'm like,

:

01:04:20,761 --> 01:04:22,171

Hey, I'm ready for Hulkamania.

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01:04:22,201 --> 01:04:22,951

Let's bring it on.

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01:04:23,161 --> 01:04:24,901

So , I watched.

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01:04:25,346 --> 01:04:27,436

Wrestlemania Saturday night.

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01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:28,136

Nice.

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01:04:28,686 --> 01:04:29,816

And wow.

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01:04:30,156 --> 01:04:30,936

You know what?

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01:04:31,546 --> 01:04:35,916

it wasn't bad, but there over

the course of four hours.

:

01:04:37,281 --> 01:04:45,601

There were seven matches so much,

so much like parading around so much

:

01:04:45,601 --> 01:04:49,821

pageantry outside of the actual matches.

:

01:04:49,821 --> 01:04:54,411

I'm like, when are they actually going to

get to matches and the actual wrestling.

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01:04:55,446 --> 01:04:58,506

Technically was very, very good.

:

01:04:58,506 --> 01:05:00,606

And again, I'm not telling you

I'm a wrestling fan at all.

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01:05:00,606 --> 01:05:02,826

I have not, I have abandoned my wrestling.

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01:05:02,826 --> 01:05:03,276

This is such a bro

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01:05:03,276 --> 01:05:04,296

Bee: podcast now.

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01:05:04,416 --> 01:05:07,926

Nathan: I know, but I have to say,

I was impressed with the actual

:

01:05:07,926 --> 01:05:11,536

wrestling matches, but I'm just

saying like, I was so frustrated.

:

01:05:11,536 --> 01:05:15,281

Like my family's sucking this up,

but I was like, this is ridiculous.

:

01:05:15,701 --> 01:05:18,041

There was one thing that

was just so aggravating.

:

01:05:18,041 --> 01:05:21,641

It was called like this six

man tag team ladder match.

:

01:05:22,311 --> 01:05:24,921

Dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

:

01:05:24,971 --> 01:05:28,401

And we are alienating the entire

wrestling community out there

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01:05:28,401 --> 01:05:29,431

that listens to our podcasts.

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01:05:29,461 --> 01:05:32,841

I am sorry, but you people

are insane for liking this.

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01:05:32,901 --> 01:05:34,141

I mean, maybe they're also

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01:05:34,141 --> 01:05:38,441

Bee: hungry for older, you

know, older styles of the show.

:

01:05:38,991 --> 01:05:41,611

Nathan: But it was funny because

also at the very end of this was a

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01:05:41,681 --> 01:05:43,721

wrestling match that involved the rock.

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01:05:44,406 --> 01:05:47,086

I didn't watch the second, apparently

WrestleMania is two nights now.

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01:05:47,096 --> 01:05:48,046

I didn't even know that.

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01:05:48,306 --> 01:05:49,616

So they said, you got to come back Sunday.

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01:05:49,616 --> 01:05:50,316

I'm like, I can't.

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01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:51,396

Yeah.

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01:05:51,396 --> 01:05:53,546

Cause Sunday night is when

I left for the eclipse.

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01:05:53,546 --> 01:05:55,836

I'm like, I don't have eight

hours of WrestleMania in me.

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01:05:55,846 --> 01:05:57,006

It's like, forget that.

:

01:05:57,266 --> 01:05:58,476

Bee: No way.

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01:05:58,516 --> 01:06:02,566

Nathan: But I saw the rock for the first

time and I, but the rock is a heel.

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01:06:02,566 --> 01:06:02,846

Now.

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01:06:02,846 --> 01:06:03,576

I didn't know that.

:

01:06:03,596 --> 01:06:05,046

I don't get what goes on.

:

01:06:07,166 --> 01:06:09,786

Bee: Did you watch wrestling during

like the Rock and South connection?

:

01:06:09,796 --> 01:06:11,856

Nathan: No, I stopped in like:

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01:06:11,896 --> 01:06:12,376

I stopped.

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01:06:12,876 --> 01:06:17,216

I was all into like, like,

like Randy Savage and.

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01:06:17,971 --> 01:06:22,321

And Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan,

and you know, Hacksaw, Jim Duggan.

:

01:06:22,321 --> 01:06:25,791

I was in the eighties and

just until the early nineties.

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01:06:26,061 --> 01:06:28,071

Some would say that was the golden era.

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01:06:28,311 --> 01:06:29,261

I thought it was great.

:

01:06:29,361 --> 01:06:34,521

I came back briefly in the late nineties

when I went with my family to see

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01:06:34,551 --> 01:06:36,921

at a local oven, I think Worcester.

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01:06:37,211 --> 01:06:39,511

And I was like, I actually

was really offended by it.

:

01:06:39,511 --> 01:06:40,741

It was so vulgar.

:

01:06:41,161 --> 01:06:43,011

And, it was not my scene.

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01:06:43,011 --> 01:06:45,021

So I have not gone back anyways.

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01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:47,151

So I got to see WrestleMania and it was

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01:06:47,321 --> 01:06:49,181

Bee: hung up as spandex folks.

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01:06:50,451 --> 01:06:51,081

Nathan: Anyways.

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01:06:51,101 --> 01:06:52,661

So that was my Saturday night.

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01:06:53,101 --> 01:06:57,171

And I'll send it back to anyone else

that wants to mention anything else

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01:06:57,171 --> 01:06:58,571

they saw before we close this up.

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01:06:58,631 --> 01:07:02,051

Sam: Very briefly I did not get

the chance to see anything this

:

01:07:02,051 --> 01:07:08,071

week, but it was because I drove

from Los Angeles to Arkansas to see

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01:07:08,071 --> 01:07:10,391

the totality of the solar eclipse.

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01:07:10,391 --> 01:07:11,441

It was incredible.

:

01:07:11,801 --> 01:07:13,261

It did not disappoint.

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01:07:13,636 --> 01:07:14,716

The darkness was amazing.

:

01:07:14,946 --> 01:07:20,546

The experience was amazing, but, uh,

five stars to the solar eclipse movie.

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01:07:22,916 --> 01:07:23,436

Nathan: That's great.

:

01:07:24,256 --> 01:07:26,856

I also did a little bit of traveling.

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01:07:26,856 --> 01:07:29,166

We went to Stowe, Vermont to see it.

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01:07:29,776 --> 01:07:34,656

And I woke up at one 30 in the morning

and got my family up shortly after that.

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01:07:34,656 --> 01:07:40,226

And we got out of the house by

3 AM and we got to Stowe I think

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01:07:40,236 --> 01:07:41,996

around seven or so in the morning.

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01:07:42,006 --> 01:07:43,006

Got some breakfast.

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01:07:43,006 --> 01:07:44,826

Yeah, we got no traffic at all.

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01:07:45,226 --> 01:07:49,806

No traffic at all, getting to Stowe and

like, Hey, we're golden for the day.

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01:07:50,146 --> 01:07:51,216

Got some breakfast.

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01:07:51,216 --> 01:07:55,656

We hung around, did some shopping,

kids having a great time and you

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01:07:55,656 --> 01:07:58,686

know, we're a little deprived because

I only got about maybe like three

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01:07:58,686 --> 01:07:59,826

and a half hours at night or so.

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01:07:59,836 --> 01:08:00,246

Well, Hey,

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01:08:00,246 --> 01:08:02,316

Bee: we learned from Al

Pacino that the sun will do.

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01:08:02,326 --> 01:08:02,726

Yeah.

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01:08:02,766 --> 01:08:03,026

Nathan: Believe me.

:

01:08:03,236 --> 01:08:07,616

I felt insomnia from while

viewing insomnia and.

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01:08:07,901 --> 01:08:12,601

And then we were in downtown Stowe,

and then I talked to a couple people

:

01:08:12,601 --> 01:08:16,551

that were also in the area, it started

getting really busy, and somebody told

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01:08:16,551 --> 01:08:21,171

me you should go to Lake Elmore to

see the eclipse, and that's, it's a

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01:08:21,171 --> 01:08:26,231

lake that's about 10 miles outside of

downtown, and that's where we went.

:

01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,321

Saw it, it was great because we got to

park and like be right near where our

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01:08:31,321 --> 01:08:32,911

car was in case we needed anything.

:

01:08:33,181 --> 01:08:37,291

I took, I brought out my DSLR and

I got to take some pictures of it.

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01:08:37,661 --> 01:08:39,111

And it was, it was a nice location.

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01:08:39,201 --> 01:08:39,850

Right on the lake.

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01:08:39,850 --> 01:08:41,231

It was a beautiful location.

:

01:08:41,741 --> 01:08:43,861

Saw the eclipse, which was mind blowing.

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01:08:44,941 --> 01:08:45,911

I don't need to tell anybody.

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01:08:46,031 --> 01:08:46,651

It was cool.

:

01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:54,810

Seeing it in totality and then We actually

stayed until it was fully over until

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01:08:54,810 --> 01:08:59,091

like five o'clock or 515, got in the car.

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01:08:59,191 --> 01:09:02,270

Everyone else left long before

it was over, but we wanted to

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01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:06,220

see until the last, till the very

end, till the sun was fully back.

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01:09:06,621 --> 01:09:08,451

Cause when else are we going

to have this chance again?

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01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:14,131

Got out of the Stowe area,

started heading back and.

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01:09:15,006 --> 01:09:19,566

Decided that, well, since there's really

not much, not a ton of traffic, we'll

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01:09:19,566 --> 01:09:22,086

stop and get something to eat for the kids

because they're going to want something.

:

01:09:22,336 --> 01:09:26,676

Stopped at a diner and we were there

for almost two hours and it was

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01:09:26,676 --> 01:09:30,666

like, that's, this is like way too

long, but got in the car around nine

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01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:33,986

o'clock at night, checked my GPS.

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01:09:34,026 --> 01:09:34,296

All right.

:

01:09:34,306 --> 01:09:38,316

Still says we'll be home around 12

o'clock,:

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01:09:39,265 --> 01:09:41,015

Immediately got stuck.

:

01:09:41,211 --> 01:09:46,281

And gridlocked traffic in the back

roads of Vermont or like, actually

:

01:09:46,281 --> 01:09:47,301

it was New Hampshire at that point.

:

01:09:47,701 --> 01:09:54,060

we were in traffic, in gridlocked

traffic from nine o'clock until two

:

01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:55,631

in the morning or something like that.

:

01:09:55,741 --> 01:09:56,641

Jeez.

:

01:09:56,711 --> 01:09:57,071

Yep.

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01:09:57,201 --> 01:09:58,891

Didn't get home until 6am.

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01:09:59,361 --> 01:09:59,521

Oh

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01:09:59,521 --> 01:09:59,931

Sam: boy.

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01:10:00,271 --> 01:10:00,501

Yeah.

:

01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:00,891

That's crazy.

:

01:10:00,941 --> 01:10:02,671

That would send me over the falls.

:

01:10:02,821 --> 01:10:04,631

Traffic is like my pet peeve, yeah.

:

01:10:04,681 --> 01:10:06,471

Nathan: And there was no escape.

:

01:10:06,971 --> 01:10:07,761

No escape from there.

:

01:10:07,781 --> 01:10:08,681

Nowhere to go.

:

01:10:09,171 --> 01:10:13,571

And It was, I felt like I was

in straight jacket of traffic.

:

01:10:13,571 --> 01:10:18,201

it was the most miserable experience, but

you know, people ask me, was it worth it?

:

01:10:18,201 --> 01:10:21,561

Yes, it was totally worth it still,

but it was a tough ride home.

:

01:10:21,571 --> 01:10:22,881

I didn't go to work on Tuesday.

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01:10:22,881 --> 01:10:25,841

I will.

:

01:10:25,841 --> 01:10:28,301

I went, I got the kids went to

school though, cause they slept

:

01:10:28,301 --> 01:10:30,851

in the car, but I got home.

:

01:10:30,986 --> 01:10:34,496

And got them on the bus and

went back to bed and woke up

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01:10:34,496 --> 01:10:35,546

at like three in the afternoon.

:

01:10:36,776 --> 01:10:37,836

Sam: I totally hear that.

:

01:10:37,836 --> 01:10:42,646

I'll do a very, very brief shameless

plug, but I did a video on the

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01:10:42,656 --> 01:10:44,146

eclipse, interviewed some people.

:

01:10:44,146 --> 01:10:46,376

It's my YouTube channel walks of world.

:

01:10:46,756 --> 01:10:51,066

It will not be coming out for another

week probably, but maybe I'll post a link.

:

01:10:51,486 --> 01:10:54,456

On like back to the framerate page or

something like that, but interviews

:

01:10:54,456 --> 01:10:56,106

and just I met some characters.

:

01:10:56,106 --> 01:10:57,976

So it was definitely

an adventure for sure.

:

01:10:58,506 --> 01:10:59,126

Nathan: That's great.

:

01:11:01,066 --> 01:11:05,336

Bee: I just stayed home to see the

eclipse, but it was pretty amazing.

:

01:11:05,646 --> 01:11:08,866

And then I saw a bunch of movies

this week, which was also super fun.

:

01:11:09,466 --> 01:11:11,856

I went to go see the new

Omen and I recommend it.

:

01:11:12,291 --> 01:11:15,501

Oh, I thought it was pretty strong.

:

01:11:15,641 --> 01:11:15,981

Yeah,

:

01:11:16,261 --> 01:11:16,461

that's

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01:11:16,471 --> 01:11:16,791

Nathan: It's

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01:11:16,801 --> 01:11:18,511

Bee: taken big swings.

:

01:11:18,521 --> 01:11:20,601

So be ready for some big swings.

:

01:11:20,601 --> 01:11:24,101

I have a feeling this is going to be

a little bit of a divisive one, but I

:

01:11:24,111 --> 01:11:28,811

think it not only earns its place as

a legacy prequel, I guess, or sequel,

:

01:11:28,851 --> 01:11:30,531

but it can also stand on its own.

:

01:11:30,966 --> 01:11:32,776

Nathan: So better than Exorcist Believer

:

01:11:33,756 --> 01:11:36,606

Bee: a little bit, a little

bit better than that.

:

01:11:39,296 --> 01:11:39,526

Yeah.

:

01:11:39,526 --> 01:11:43,366

and the original omen is not in

my personal canon of like the

:

01:11:43,366 --> 01:11:45,316

horror movies that you need to see.

:

01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:46,046

It's good.

:

01:11:46,066 --> 01:11:48,396

I think other ones around

the same time do it better.

:

01:11:48,396 --> 01:11:51,826

So I thought this was exciting

with how adventurous it was.

:

01:11:51,836 --> 01:11:54,736

So if you're, it's a good week

at the movies, go see monkey

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01:11:54,736 --> 01:11:56,556

man, go see for the first time.

:

01:11:57,331 --> 01:11:57,581

Nathan: Yeah.

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01:11:59,191 --> 01:11:59,551

All right.

:

01:12:00,101 --> 01:12:03,401

And this upcoming weekend

civil war comes out, I believe.

:

01:12:03,541 --> 01:12:04,101

Yeah, that's right.

:

01:12:05,871 --> 01:12:06,401

Scariest.

:

01:12:06,401 --> 01:12:06,621

But the

:

01:12:06,621 --> 01:12:08,931

Bee: new couple of weeks,

Guy Ritchie, right?

:

01:12:09,441 --> 01:12:10,281

New Guy Ritchie too.

:

01:12:11,021 --> 01:12:12,361

Nathan: We have the new

Guy Ritchie is coming out.

:

01:12:13,771 --> 01:12:14,281

Bee: I really want

:

01:12:14,281 --> 01:12:15,111

Sam: to see civil war.

:

01:12:15,111 --> 01:12:16,961

It just makes me nervous

because I don't want.

:

01:12:17,101 --> 01:12:18,741

A fight to break out in the theater.

:

01:12:18,741 --> 01:12:22,771

Like it's so close to like, I'm like,

Oh man, this movie could be great,

:

01:12:22,771 --> 01:12:24,001

but I'm a little bit afraid of it.

:

01:12:24,031 --> 01:12:24,571

I'll be honest.

:

01:12:24,571 --> 01:12:26,201

I'm actually afraid of the movie.

:

01:12:27,681 --> 01:12:28,421

Nathan: We'll see how it goes.

:

01:12:29,751 --> 01:12:30,271

All right.

:

01:12:30,331 --> 01:12:32,231

I asked, you know, I know

we got to get out of here.

:

01:12:32,231 --> 01:12:37,061

I saw some news this last week that

a new matrix movie was announced.

:

01:12:37,071 --> 01:12:37,461

Did you guys

:

01:12:38,041 --> 01:12:38,801

Sam: heard about that?

:

01:12:38,801 --> 01:12:42,851

And I'm just like I'll obviously see

it, but I must admit the fourth film

:

01:12:43,301 --> 01:12:44,801

I can't even remember the title.

:

01:12:44,871 --> 01:12:46,668

Mate, what was the re resurrections

Resurrections, I thought

:

01:12:46,673 --> 01:12:49,281

resurrection was genuinely not good.

:

01:12:49,286 --> 01:12:50,751

Like I did not like it at all.

:

01:12:50,751 --> 01:12:53,031

I thought it was missing

the whole matrix vibe.

:

01:12:53,036 --> 01:12:56,341

Like I saw it twice to confirm my opinion.

:

01:12:56,341 --> 01:12:57,601

I just did not enjoy it.

:

01:12:57,601 --> 01:13:01,231

So, I mean, I'll see the fifth one,

I'm always gonna go see it, but I'm

:

01:13:01,231 --> 01:13:04,091

just, I'm not like ecstatic, you know?

:

01:13:04,271 --> 01:13:06,161

Nathan: Well, I hope that.

:

01:13:06,426 --> 01:13:08,736

It goes in a different direction.

:

01:13:08,746 --> 01:13:13,486

Like it's, I know we're, you know, we

all like Keanu Reeves and Karrion Moss

:

01:13:13,486 --> 01:13:18,366

and the old guard, but I'm worried if

they're just going to continue that.

:

01:13:18,736 --> 01:13:23,526

I'd like to see them explore

a whole nother corner of this.

:

01:13:23,726 --> 01:13:26,196

Sam: I would love to see them

explore like a whole nother corner.

:

01:13:26,226 --> 01:13:29,016

And if there was something in

the story where there was like.

:

01:13:29,556 --> 01:13:34,386

An opportunity for the new characters to

actually defeat the machines for good.

:

01:13:34,386 --> 01:13:39,716

Like, even if they don't succeed, the

matrix, you know, the algorithms swallow

:

01:13:39,716 --> 01:13:41,286

up the hope through all the movies.

:

01:13:41,286 --> 01:13:45,416

I actually want to see them take on

the machines in the machine city.

:

01:13:45,636 --> 01:13:48,486

The reason I like the third film is

because I thought machine city was

:

01:13:48,486 --> 01:13:50,336

such a visually terrifying place.

:

01:13:50,656 --> 01:13:54,246

I want to go back to machine

city in the real world and like,

:

01:13:54,246 --> 01:13:55,766

have a fight in the real world.

:

01:13:55,766 --> 01:13:57,386

Like I would love to see that movie.

:

01:13:58,881 --> 01:13:59,641

Nathan: I wonder if they'll ever,

:

01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:00,701

Sam: I

:

01:14:00,701 --> 01:14:04,871

Nathan: wonder if they'll ever go

back to like a real prequel, you know?

:

01:14:04,961 --> 01:14:06,101

Sam: That would be interesting.

:

01:14:06,201 --> 01:14:06,651

Yeah.

:

01:14:07,211 --> 01:14:07,611

Nathan: I don't know.

:

01:14:07,681 --> 01:14:09,003

But be careful what you ask for.

:

01:14:09,003 --> 01:14:09,411

I feel like I

:

01:14:09,421 --> 01:14:14,101

Bee: don't, I don't need, I say this as

someone who just defended the first Omen.

:

01:14:14,501 --> 01:14:16,331

I don't need backstory.

:

01:14:16,481 --> 01:14:19,691

I feel like Hollywood just really wants

to explain everything, but I really

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liked the fourth matrix, but Sam, same as

you feel like I get why people don't, I

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don't feel like attached to defending it.

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I don't know.

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But I really enjoyed it.

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I'm excited for a fifth.

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I think they sort of like,

I like their vision for it.

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I'm just on board for whatever wants,

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Nathan: is set as a producer,

but not direct to direct this.

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But he, we got the director is who

it was Drew Goddard, who I don't

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think it's ever written a bad movie.

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Yeah.

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So I'm excited about his involvement

in this, so, I'm excited.

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Sam: I will definitely, no matter what.

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I will see it like if there's

a fifth matrix movie out there,

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no way am I going to miss it.

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Like I'm always interested.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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I'm just looking forward to seeing it.

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in the theater.

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Cause I didn't get to

see it in the theater.

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It was like, I just got to see it on

my TV because it was during COVID.

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That's right.

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Trailer: Yeah.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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It was one of those HBO

day and date movies.

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all the Warner brothers movies

just went straight to HBO.

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I have

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Bee: never been able to see a

Matrix movie in the theater,

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so I would love to see one.

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Sam: Yeah, I hear that.

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All right.

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I've seen them all.

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Yay, Sam.

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Haha.

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Sorry.

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Nathan: So next week we are going to wrap

up our Christopher Nolan Nostalgia Month.

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I feel like we were just

the beginning of April.

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But yes, We are going to wrap it

up with the prestige from:

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Yes, we are jumping over Batman begins.

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That's okay.

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Because that's fine.

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We'd have to like do the

entire Batman franchise.

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And I just don't have that in me.

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No, I don't have it.

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That's a whole nother

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01:15:53,546 --> 01:15:56,786

Sam: if we did the entire Batman

franchise, we'd have to listen to Michael

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01:15:56,786 --> 01:16:00,681

Kighton talking about Batman Burnin down

the forest in Burma to find a killer.

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01:16:01,731 --> 01:16:02,731

Bee: Genuinely a pretty

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01:16:02,731 --> 01:16:03,291

good Michael Caine.

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Nathan: Not bad.

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Not bad.

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01:16:05,641 --> 01:16:07,761

So looking forward to that.

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01:16:07,761 --> 01:16:11,491

Prestige, I can already tell you

is one of my favorite Nolan films.

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01:16:11,721 --> 01:16:12,051

Yes.

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So I'm really looking forward to that.

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01:16:13,571 --> 01:16:16,811

I already, actually I revisited

it about two years ago.

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01:16:16,871 --> 01:16:20,431

So it's pretty fresh

in my, I think it's a.

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Very good.

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01:16:21,446 --> 01:16:21,776

One of his

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01:16:21,776 --> 01:16:22,376

best

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01:16:23,166 --> 01:16:23,736

Sam: quick comment.

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01:16:23,736 --> 01:16:26,296

there was another magician movie

that came out that September.

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01:16:26,296 --> 01:16:27,226

That was with Paul

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01:16:27,236 --> 01:16:28,046

Nathan: G money, right?

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01:16:28,106 --> 01:16:30,686

Sam: And I saw both of them and I can't

remember the name of the other one, but

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01:16:30,706 --> 01:16:33,426

it doesn't matter now, but I just remember

they came out close to each other.

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01:16:34,041 --> 01:16:36,141

Nathan: Yeah I'm blanking

on it to the illusionist.

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01:16:36,141 --> 01:16:37,391

That's it.

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01:16:37,391 --> 01:16:38,641

Sam: The illusionist.

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Nathan: Yeah, yeah,

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01:16:39,971 --> 01:16:40,241

Bee: Yeah.

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01:16:40,241 --> 01:16:44,511

Those two were just kind of like,

like sibling movies, twin movies.

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01:16:44,611 --> 01:16:45,091

Trailer: Yeah.

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01:16:47,971 --> 01:16:48,121

Bee: All

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Nathan: right.

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Rock and roll.

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We're out.

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Ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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