All across the world, from Turkey to India, from Venezuela to Russia, not to mention the United States, governments are drifting away from democratic principles that threaten their control and resorting to policies that undermine human rights and starve civil society. In response, can those who uphold progressive ideals take a page from the dictators' playbook? César Rodríguez-Garavito is a Colombian legal scholar and human rights advocate, and the executive director of Dejusticia, a Colombia-based social justice and human rights organization. He talked with us recently about how to face the crackdown on civil society. You can read a transcript of this episode here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WVbhcMIwpAyRnmyefCdDs_5U4NKpPtok/view?usp=sharing]