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Staying in The Thrive with April Likins
Episode 13017th October 2022 • Lets Be Honest Before We Start Pretending • Kelly Mobeck
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All month we are talking about ownership, and today I am thrilled to welcome back April Likins as we talk about taking ownership for our wellbeing, staying out of exhaustion, and avoiding burnout.

April Likins is a board-certified health coach, dual-trained at Duke Integrative Medicine and the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. Driven by her own previous experience of hitting burnout, which led to a health collapse, she's fiercely passionate about helping women thrive inside and out. April's specialty is helping professional women and female entrepreneurs reduce stress, find balance, and feel the joy and freedom to walk in their purpose, passions, and callings.

She lives in Virginia with her husband, and when she's not working with clients, she enjoys writing and speaking on wellness topics, traveling, photography, and searching for the perfect matcha latte.


Here are the highlights from this episode:

(05:55) Health scares changed my life

(12:18) The burnout epidemic

(18:10) Burnout can creep up on you

(22:07) How to stay in balance

(32:18) The importance of getting outdoors

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Hey everyone. I'm Kelly Mok, a coach and a leadership trainer, and I'm super passionate about helping you find out who you are authentically as a leader, own it, and go out and make an impact in your life and the lives of others. This world needs your leadership, your gifts. You're unique, brilliance, and I believe that real leaders don't wait.

They create, I know firsthand that life is gonna throw us curve. That we're gonna doubt our greatness, our ideas, and our contributions. And my goal is that you believe in yourself beyond reason. And I get to be a coach and a champion for you each week so that you feel inspired, motivated, and most important in action toward your unique impact in this world.

So let's jump in. Hey there everyone. This is Coach Kelly and welcome to episode 130 of, Let's be honest, before we start pretending, I cannot believe we are at episode 130. That's mind blowing and a milestone. So I am happy dancing and invite you all to happy dance with me too, because it's good for the soul.

Let's go. I have been talking about this all month that I have a very special guest back. To the podcast. She was in season one. I'm just gonna say right now, April, like it's back. I'm so excited. We were so, so excited about this. I know, I know. And so this, so I just, I have to just throw that in right this second before I even ts up.

And so, you know, in the month of October we've been talking about owner. And ownership for our results, ownership for our life, and whether it is a project, relationships, health. I could go on and on as we have been. We've been talking about being an ownership and one of the things that I think is so important, Is, especially for all of you high achieving leaders out there, is that we've gotta be in ownership for our health.

We've just got to, and you've heard me talk about it on this podcast many different times, over many different topics or context about health, and so. One of the things that I was so excited and I, and I, I've said that you've heard me say that I'm bringing her back is to bring my very good friend April back because I couldn't think of anyone better to come in and really help us with harnessing our ownership for our health in the way of.

Avoiding exhaustion, uh, being able to, we, you know, we all have stressful lives. There's things that go on, but we don't have to be in effect of that. We can really be in ownership for what is happening and, and where stress is coming from and, and ways to really combat that and ultimately avoid burnout.

You know, ultimately avoiding burnout because burnout's a real thing and it's so, I, it's time. It's time. That's what I have to say to bring April back and really help us with it. So let me, let me bring you up to speed, because April was here in season one and we were talking about stress and managing through.

During almost kind of, it was felt, it felt like it was almost a, still like the beginning of the pandemic, like that was just sort of in the beginning. But there was a lot going on and stress was really, really a big, uh, a big thing. And April and I had a great conversation and she brought us so. Much goodness and awareness and tips and strategies.

And I will put in the show notes, The first set, first episode, she was on the podcast so that you can go back and listen to it because it was gold. Gold. And so as I was looking at ownership and knowing that health was going to be one of the things and what's the thing that gets in our way? Well, exhaustion, stress, and ultimately burnout.

I knew April had to come back so. Just as a reminder, April Lichens is a board certified health coach, dual trained at Duke Integrative Medicine and the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, driven by her own previous experience of hitting burnout, which led to a health collapse. She's fiercely passionate about helping women thrive inside and.

Are we not here for this? Yes. April's specialty is helping professional women and female entrepreneurs reduce stress, fine balance, and feel the joy and freedom to walk in their purpose passions. And callings. Y'all know why I'm bringing her back. Are you hearing that her purpose and passion is all about that, and she lives in Virginia with her husband, and when she's not working with clients, she enjoys writing and speaking on wellness topics, traveling, photography, and searching for the perfect.

Ma latte. Yes. Yes. So without any further ado, let me please warmly welcome you back. April. Welcome back to the podcast. How are you? Hi, Kelly.

It's so, I'm, I'm just thrilled to be back friend, Um, chatting with you today. It's such a big topic, such an important topic, and it's. It's an honor to be back on

your show.

Oh, I am. I've been like a kid in a candy store. Seriously, . Waiting, waiting for this moment. And so can you share, I know I, I shared the, um, shared your bio with our listeners and there's so much more to you than a bio, right? So can you share your background and what you're doing right now to help high achieving?

Yeah, so I'm a former

designer and project manager who pivoted careers, like you said, after my health collapse really to become a board certified health coach. And years ago when that happened, I ended up working with a health coach that just painted my life and it really planted a seed that, that I wanted to help others.

You know, avoid all the costly mistakes that I've made, um, through that, that journey and that, So I work with high achieving women, you know, on eating burnout, covering from burnout, like you said, increasing their spark energy and joy. So currently working with clients one on one, but working on a burnout course.

And I hope to, um, hear soon be working on a burnout journal and. So a lot of, a lot of exciting things in the work. And like you said, I'm always in search for the perfect ma latte. So , it's a, it's a lifelong

quest. Yes. I love that. And I'm so excited about a book, a course. And did you just say a journal I would love?

Yeah. Kind of what I have in my mind is a book slash journal. Yes.


So it's exciting and nervewracking all at the same time, figuring out how to logistically pull all of this off. But it's definitely

on my. Oh, I love it. Well, the thing I know about you is you will literally figure that out because you're also someone who's not.

One of the things, just as a hint, everyone to avoid burnout is to collaborate with people and talk with people and not go into a hole by yourself to figure things out. And April's really good about, you know, getting that sort of support. I cannot wait for your book. I will be the first in line. I'm just declaring that right now.

And also your course what, Um, so that's gonna be great. Yeah, absolutely. But I'd love for you to share with our listeners what was the burnout you experienced.

Yeah, that's a really good question. So I hit burnout in two 13 after my, my dad died. And so, um, like we talked about before, that diagnosis was devastating.

He was super young. It came out of nowhere. And so, you know, we really revamped our diet lifestyles together. And looking back, that was so. Crucial and key and helping to pro prolong his life. So though I had made these healthy changes after he passed, um, I reverted to my old ways of coping with things.

Sure. And, and I think that's tempting for a lot of us, that when, you know, life is hard and life is full of ups and downs and you know, highs and lows and beautiful things and everything in between, but when things are tough and we're stressed and we're overwhelmed, I think there's, it's really tempting to turn.

A lot of other things that could be shopping, that could be food, that could be alcohol, that could be nonstop, Uh, Netflix binge watching. Sure. You know, could be workaholism. And for me, though, I knew better and I made all these healthy changes. I found myself reverting and falling back into my old bad habit of workaholism.

So, so I just wasn't taking care of myself, you know, just burning the candle at both ends, staying up to one, two o'clock in the morning. Not being consistent with exercise and eating and all that stuff. And, and eventually it caught up to me and, and it ended in a total health flaps where I could barely get up for about a, a year and a half.

Wow. And it was, it was a really dark, devastating, and isolating time for me. And, you know, at the time I had to, like, over the design firm that I had, and just a hundred percent my clients just focused on recovery. And it was something that took, I mean, it took years mm-hmm. of hard work to pick up the thesis.

And so like you said, going through all of that, both my dad dying and then my own health collapse, you know, I just lit a fire Yeah. In me to help others. Like I said, avoid this call for mistakes. Yes. And cause I've learned so many great lessons along the way, and, and one being, you know, it's far easier to prevent burnout than it's to recover from it.

And the, and the good news for those listing is burnout is something that's very much preventable. .

Mm-hmm. . I'm so grateful you said that, and thank you for sharing with everyone that trajectory of what happened and something that you said is, you know, burning the candle at both ends, staying up until one, which oftentimes is coming from something else, right?

Yes, Workaholic. Something that I find, and I certainly found it in myself. I remember the days when I worked for a training company. Oh my goodness, I was burning the candle at both ends, no question, because I guarantee I was trying to prove something. I was trying to, you know, I'm worthy of this position, right?

All these different sort of self-limiting beliefs. That really were, you know, kind of getting in the way, which hence high achieving. We love high achieving women. April and I both very much so, and we're, our antennas are always up because we know oftentimes what's behind that. Sometimes driving it that the healthy things and then the not so healthy things.

And like April said, burnout is something that we can stop. In its tracks right before we get to it. But recovering from it can really take a long time and really take a toll, Really take a toll on our health. And, and I, I'd remember p I remember that time so much. I mean, I had things April, like shingles and I was really young.

That was not like even the doctor, like, what's going on? Right? And just also, you know, mental health and anxiousness and all sorts of things. and not that someone was doing to me. Mm-hmm. . It was literally because I wasn't taking on me. Right. Taking on me and taking what was, you know, putting, putting myself first.

And taking care of myself, it was very easy to avoid. And I also love what you said about, you know, there are many coping mechanisms, coping mechanisms versus, I don't know, there's probably a word will coin here, but like, um, I think escapism,

maybe escapism

can really be tied. Super false. Yeah. Oh, for sure.

A hundred percent. A hundred. What do you see as, as a contributing factor in the rise of the burnout epidemic? What are you seeing right now? Well, that's

such a great question. You know, honestly, I think there's three things that I would say. I would say first, the rise in our tech use. You know, we're in this, become this hyper connected society where people can get in touch with you in 50,000 different.

You know, through email, through text messages, through slack, through, you know, smoke signals in your front yard, you know, And drones, I mean, all the things. I mean, it's ridiculous. Drones.

Oh my God. Right? That was a great one. If you see a drone in your window, Doc , run, run.

Exactly. Oh my God, that was so funny.


But I often joke that I'm like, Gosh, I, I wish we could go back to the nineties. You remember the nineties When I'm joined my age, you know, and I, and I know you were close in age, but. Know, you could just leave work and you left work. There was no, you know, laptop and there was no, you know, email and all the things too.

And so I think that's part of the problem. It's just that we've become so fast paced and the body's just not designed to have 50,000 distractions and notifications and pings throughout the day, and definitely contributes to. To being more stressed. I would say. Secondly, you know that this our society that really wears and reveres busyness as a badge of honor.

Yeah. Start this tipping in the last few years of people saying, you know, culture. Of working 24 7. Mm-hmm. . And so, um, I love that that's, that's starting to shift in the mind of people's too. And then lastly, I couple this often with clients, but I think we've become really disconnected with ourselves and our bodies learning to just ignore the warning signs until it's too late.

And I know high achievers and, and I can relate to this to myself, you know, we're really great at pushing through things. Oh. And you can just bury, you can bury your head and get in the flow and, and, you know, and next thing you know, it's like three, four hours later and you're like, Oops, I forgot, I forgot to do this.

That sort of thing. But the body, much like a car, is always giving us those warning signals that light can come on it. I really wanna get up, Hey, I need something to drink. Let's get some fresh air for 10 minutes. You know, and, and we just ignore it and, and get back to what we're doing. So I think that's part of the problem too, is getting back into our bodies and being of them before, before they really start screaming loudly at us.

I think that's brilliant. We have talked about this. I am in, in this particular moment, I don't remember which episode, but we talk about pushing through. We talk about it. I've shared my own stories about pushing through and exactly what you're saying, April, like it's the end of the day and I'm like, um, didn't eat lunch, didn't move, didn't.

No wonder I am snappy. Mm-hmm. , no wonder I am right. Like pushing through. If we could change that, Habit because I think it becomes a habit. Push through as a habit. Mm-hmm. start to cr like really work from what you're saying. April, remember like creating some, some tried and true disciplines nourish your body.

Go get up and take a break. Right? Move a bit. Drink your water versus living by, I just know it like I, my husband and kids will call me on it all the time. They're like, That's a nice excuse. That you were so busy, Right? And busy can get really tied up in our identity. And so it's a, it's a challenging thing to, to break.

But we can, we can, and I know on my best days I am drinking all the waters. I am getting up every hour and taking a 15 minute energy and movement break. I'm eating when I'm supposed to be eating, and then I'm thriving. And then I can serve those who I'm, those who I'm serving. I can serve my clients. It's so much better.

Yeah. I

often like to tell clients a couple things. One, it's like if you wanna perform like a Ferrari, right? And high achievers wanna perform like a Ferrari, you don't put it in crap fuel. Right? Right. You don't put in the cheap. You've gotta, you've gotta put in the, the high octane, high performance fuel.

And that's a lot of the things that you talked about. You know, it's slowing down, it's making sure you're nourishing yourself. It's getting a little movement and all the things too. But the, the biggest tip that I always tell people that, um, the number one thing you can do, daily's, just ask yourself a couple times a day, at least once, you know, take 30 seconds and what do I need today to.

Yeah, what do I need today? And it's gonna change. And you'll, The cool thing is, you know, the body's innately designed, the court's crack, so it'll tell you, It might, it'll say, You know what, Kelly, let's get up. It's been too long. We've been setting up the computer too long and, yeah. Right outside, and I wanna walk the dogs really quick around the block, you know, whatever.

It's gonna change daily, and that's a big tip for really preventing burnout. It's just

that question. I love that too. I have been doing a lot of work with clients on, you know, just getting quiet. Get quiet and ask, just like you're saying. What so like mine right now? My question right now, actually, my coach helped me with this is like, how do I feel?

About, and then fill in the blank could be, How do I feel about my health right now? How do I feel? Just so we can become aware. Mm-hmm. aware. And I really love your question is what do I need or require to thrive today? And know that it's probably gonna be different. It could be different on the daily, which I love a good variety show.

Mm-hmm. . And that's like, oh, but then acting on it. Trusting. Trusting. So what I hear you say April is like really trusting that intuitively our body's gonna tell us exactly, exactly what we need to require. Woo. So good. What are some of the signs to watch out for that we may be headed towards burnout?

So it, you know, chronic stress is one of those things that shows up for all of us differently and I believe there's this, yeah, this strong misconception right now that you're kind of seeing perpetuating on social and online that burnout is just something, this syndrome that just kind of hits you all at once and hits you outta left, you know, left field when reality it.

It's caused by a series of small things stacking up like dominoes over time. Things that are, that are very much preventable. So their habits, like you were talking about that. Mm-hmm. can lead to burnout. Things like workaholism, you know, perfectionism, people pleasing. Task switching. That's a big one. You know, we're just not designed to multitask.

That's a myth. Study is approved, but that's a myth. Yep. You know, fomo, there's, uh, workaholism, there's all these things that can contribute to that. So, sciences to watch out for would be you're mentally and physically exhausted all the time. You know, you feel cynical about work. You just dread. You know, you're dreading work.

You've got the Sunday scaries, you know, you know you're fine throughout the week, and then you get that anxiety on Sunday of Yeah, Monday's coming. Yes. You know, that can be kinda a warning sign. You feel like you've got no time to yourself ever. Um, you're irritable, you're short tempered, you are anxious, you're overwhelmed.

Friends and family might say sometimes, you know, they feel like you're always working, working or you're always on your device or you're working through lunch, weekends, vacation. And then stress really shows up for us, kind of in one main area of the body typically. So that can show up as you know, like chronic headaches.

You be insomnia. And that's a big one that I see with clients eating changes. So some people, when they're stressed, they eat less, others eat more. Mm-hmm. , you know, you've got those cravings for the, the salty, sugary, you know, high fat foods. Like there's, you're never craving carrots and kale when you're all the Yeah, I know, right?

This is true. True test. If you're actually hungry, if you have some carrots, you might have some IBS symptoms. You know, just stomach A, that uploading that sort of thing could be a big one. And then pain in certain areas like your neck or your back. And so for me, stress shows up often with neck pain.

Headaches and insomnia, Man, those three compound each other. Cause when my neck is bothering me, you know, I've got a headache, then I can't sleep. And then if I can't sleep, that worse my neck. So then it creates this crazy, crazy cycle. And then skin flares too. Skin can be a litmus test of kind of what's going on

internally as well.

Yes. Oh, that's so brilliant. I was getting goosebumps listening to you because we did, I did a whole series on overwhelm. Mm-hmm. on the podcast, and I let everybody know, I let, I let everyone know like I'm the messenger and I'm about to share something, and overwhelm is a, it's called this overwhelms a choice.

Now, please don't tell someone when they're in overwhelmed that they're choosing it because we don't wake up in the morning. Like, I would love a healthy, healthy helping of overwhelm, make it extra crispy. Right? We don't do that, but it is a series of choices we're making or not making. That will then lead to the overwhelm.

It just as April is saying, it's, it's a series of things that are stacking up against each other. Right? Or stacking. Stacking up. Together. I'm butchering that a little bit, but paying attention to what's happening in my body, what, what is really happening, and noticing that. And again, being in ownership.

Being in ownership for that. Like, okay, this is what's occurring. I can be in effect of it, which I am or, and I can begin to create something different. Create something different. So that, I am thriving. So on that note, April, what are your non-negotiables for staying in balance? Yeah, good

question. So there's a handful of things that kind of come to mind.

So first tech use is a big one for me. You know, our, our devices are just designed to be addictive and I can get lost now, but social media, rabbit hole, just like anyone else. You know, where you, you get a, and the funny thing is like you get on your phone cause you have something you need to do, right? And then you see all the notifications.

Next thing you know, 30 minutes later you. Why did I even pick up

my phone to do something? Yes.

That's the, that's the worst. So, um, I try to be really mindful of, you know, turning, like just turning off the notifications or putting it in do not disturb mode if I want that focused, you know, creative time or work time, time with clients, but also in the evenings, you know, if I'm spending time with my family.

Yeah. This, I, I started implementing that the first of Covid. Cause I had a client that was doing it and it was life changing for him and I was like, you know what? I need to walk the walk and, and try this too. So, I started after dinner putting, putting my phone into the room. And the cool thing about the device is, so yes, they're ultra addictive.

Every time we get a notification, get that dopamine in that, and you know, it just pauses you to wanna keep checking sort of thing. But they're very much out of sight, out of mind. And so if you cannot see your device, if it's somewhere else, there's like zero temptation to wanna check it. Because it's not there and it, I was reading an interesting study this past year about how just devices in the presence of relationships diminishes the quality of the relationship for the other person.

So if they can see your phone, they don't feel as connected to you, just it's nearby. So that's just kind of a nerdy, random tidbit of information. I'm really mindful with my warning. Um, intentionally. Cause, you know, you could run the day or the day runs you. Yes. And you've all had the days when, you know, you wake up late, you're running out the door and everything's a crap Joe.

After that, it's just, you know, there's a big difference between reacting and being proactive. So, uh, again, I, I'm not a night out. I mean, I am a night out. I'm not a morning person. My husband knows not to talk to me. I had least one. Leman, he's like, Which tea is she on? You know? Yeah. And, um, is it safe to talk yet?

And so, uh, because of that, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm intentional to wake up slowly and so I, you know, I drink my tea. I like to read something inspiring. Sometimes I'll listen to something inspiring. I'll assess and strategize my day, and then I'll get, I'll get some movement in, um, even if that's just light stretching a little bit of something in the morning.

And I try to get some form of movement daily. And so, even. A 20 minute walk with the dogs. You know, all movement is beneficial to the body and is, you know, all movement's better than no movement. So, sure, 10 minutes is great. And then, um, like I said, I'm a night out, so I've been really, um, just mindful to now it's taking me almost 40 years to like do this.

y during the week, um, before:

connection. Yes. Oh, I love that. Scheduling, rest, fun and connection.

So good for the soul. So good for the soul. I love to that, you know, knowing that you're a night owl and then also knowing. Sleep is a key contributor, contributor to you thriving, where you're building that new discipline that becomes that habit of sleep and being in bed before 10, and for night owls, I know you're listening, that is an amazing achievement to be in bed before 10, before 10, so that you're resting, rejuvenating, and getting the sleep that you require.

So we can sit here and go, I'm an eye owl. I'm this, I'm that. And that's just the way it. And we can also begin to try on some new disciplines to see what shifts. And it sounds like it's really working for you.


is. And that is so hard. Like I said, it's taken me decades. I feel like there should be a trophy for that.

Like out you are getting in bed before you know midnight and wanting out. Cause it is hard and I. All this up because you know, for those listening I really ask and challenge you, you know, what are those non-negotiables for you? Yeah. Daily and weekly. And then make sure they're on your calendar cause you've got a carve out time to to rest, relax, do things that you enjoy.

Um, because we just can't be and do all things and thrive trying to do. So it just leads to burnout.

Exactly. Exactly. And speaking of that, can you share a few tips for preventing exhaustion and burnout? Yeah, so some of them I

just mentioned. So being mindful of your mornings, um, setting boundaries around tech, you're, you know, you're not a seven 11, you know, we're not designed to be working 27.

It's funny, somebody asked me recently, like, do those even still exist? Yes, they do. Yeah. I was flying back from California and I airport was in like the Dallas airport. I was like, ok. They do exist. They do. Yeah. But it's so hard for. Like we talked about high achieving women because our identities can be wrapped around hustling.

And then you, you feel like if you're not working or you're not always doing something that you're, you feel like a failure. Yeah. And so rest, I talk about this often. Rest is the antidote. Burnout feels counterintuitive to high achievers, but if you're burning the candle, you know at both ends, long, long term, you're gonna eventually crash.

Cause I was actually working with a client. This, this year, who prior to coming to me, she had been so stressed that she actually lost her eyesight in prayer. Oh wow. Yeah. And so, I mean, stress can do some crazy things in your body and she was, she's in charge of a billion dollar count for her company, like, Talk about Cher, you know, and stress and all of that.

And so, um, yeah, it was, it was amazing working with her and helping her to just get her life back through making those small, healthy changes, like taking, you know, breaks, picking, walking, zoom, meetings, you know, scheduling in self care, all this stuff. And it, it just transformed her whole, whole life. Um, and so, Are you creating space and really prioritizing your health with the things that we're talking about?

Again, thinking about movement and sleep and Yeah. You know, nurturing your body like a Ferrari. If you wanna be a Ferrari, you gotta feed it like that. Yes. And then working, making time for connection, Social connection is so key and it's, these last couple years have been hard. It's been isolating for a lot of people.

And that social fabric, But we, we were used to, prior to all of this, you know, it was kind of unraveled a little bit. So a lot of people are having to be more intentional to make time for those relationships that, that really matter to us. Mm-hmm. . And so one thing that I think is really interesting is that, you know, studies have shown that it's.

It's not the stressors in our lives that are so dangerous and toxic to our health, but it's our perception of them. So it's, you know, the key is learning to respond in a way that doesn't damage our health and our peace. And again, you know, it's focusing on what you can control in that situation. Cause stress and it, and in itself is a good thing.

It's part of our survival mechanism. Mm-hmm. . So learning to, to work with it and accept. Unfortunately, we live in a planet where there are, there's no way to, to completely get rid of stressors. It's, it's learning to rise above 'em and surf 'em when they come up that, um, it really helps you to, to thrive.

Sleep is a huge one. You know, that's one that I talk about all the time. It is sleep. Is this, Secret weapon to feeling your best and sign an out. Mm-hmm. combating burnout. Mm-hmm. You know, it's, it's so crucial for just better managing stress, you know, helping with your, your energy levels, your mental health.

I mean, there's a variety of things, um, that, that sleep, you know, is important for. I talk to a lot of high achievers, and this is one that they often get. Stuck on, because they'll say initially to me, you know that they don't have time for sleep, or I'll sleep when I'm dead. And that's thing too, you know, and, and then we talk kinda through that and trial and error.

They realize like how important that is, you know, And I could geek out on that subject. I could be a whole podcast just on sleep, but you feel like, you know, it's the least of time. But the crazy thing is the reality is, Some of your areas of the brain are more active during our re sleep than than when we're awake.

So it's doing really important work. You know, it's, it's wiping memories, it's categorizing memories, it's wiping proteins that are linked to Alzheimer's and dementia, all kinds of stuff. So it's, it's, it's really, I can't over overstate how important sleep is and, and really aiming to get that seven to nine hours a night and knowing where your sweet.


different. Um, it's so, it's so true. I'm gonna jump, jump in with you on the sleep really, just really quickly because I, I've heard that before too. I'll sleep when I'm dead or sleep is overrated and I just call baloney on all of that because there's sleep for a reason and for high achieving people who do a lot.

Sleep is an action, by the way. Mm-hmm. , it's an action. You are actually doing something to be able to be high achieving. So if you can reframe that, remember what April is saying, things are perspective. It's all perspective. Like we're never gonna eradicate stressors. They're going to be there. It's how we're managing ourselves through those right.

Well sleep being and, And we will talk about that April. I'll just declare that right now. We'll have you come back and talk about the importance because sleep is not overrated. I don't know when that came in or that I'll sleep when I'm dead. I'm like, Well then I guess, I mean, that could happen a lot sooner than later if we're not Right.

Really allowing ourselves to rejuvenate, and I love what you said about what the brain's actually doing. REM that actually will support you in achieving like you want to. I mean, it's just amazing. And so I think sometimes I don't have time for it. I've gotta do more. I've gotta do, do. Well, just like April says, if you wanna be a Ferrari, even the Ferrari's gonna have a pit stop.

Okay? The Ferrari's gonna have, have a bit. Fe's gonna be. A Ferrari's gonna rest, right? So you can feed it and you can rest it, and then it's gonna perform the way that you want it to. We're no d. Yeah. I love that. I

love, I love that. Those such great tips and, and adding that too. I think a couple more things too, for listeners, it's getting out in nature.

Rewilding is a topic, you know, that's what it's called, is a topic that's kind of been blowing up the last few years, and studies are showing that if you get outside just for. Few minutes. I mean it could be five minutes, 10 minutes. It's incredibly effective for your mood, um, your mental health, your energy levels, all of that.

And it's kinda cool that even to the point that doctors globally have literally been writing prescriptions for people on their little doctor pads of like, get outside in nature cuz it's that powerful. Wow. So that's a big one. Um, shifting your mindset, you know, to looking at things from a different angle like you talked.

So towards identifying the stress or what is the stressor or name it. Cause I think often things hold power over us when they're kind of hidden in the dark and they're suppressed. But when you can name it, ok. So I'm feeling stressed about the presentation that I have to give, give tomorrow. Um, then you own it.

So you identify the stress, you own it. Yeah. Cause often we stress more about the things that matter more to us. Yeah. The stuff that we don't care about, we typically don't stress about. Right. Own. Okay. I'm stressed about the, the, you know, the uh, the whatever because you know, I really care about my son, you know, that sort of thing.

Visualize what you want life to look like on the other side of the challenge. Mm-hmm. , you know, what do you want that to be like? And then use it. So focus on what's in your control, um, to change and then take action there. So that's a little, little mindset set work. And then lastly, like we talked about, mimic, it's creating the.

You know, boundaries, you know, evaluating is everything on your schedule. Uh, does it need to really be there on your to-do list? Cause there can be good things out there, but it doesn't mean the timing is right for you to take that on. And maybe that's just the next straw to, you know, just not being able to handle one more thing too.

And then setting healthy boundaries around social, like we talked about. And definitely the news, you know, not waking up reading the news first thing in the morning and don't read that before. Not unless you wanna, you know, sleep with a poorly.

Yes. Those are such amazing tips, and I am so grateful that you are really driving that home because these are things that we can control.

Like I love what you said, what's in our control? What's not in our control, what's not in our control. Is not in our control and there's not a lot we're gonna be able to do there, but what's in our control and what we can shift. I love the part about the news too. I mm-hmm. Not before bed, and certainly not when I wake up in the morning.

Yeah. Um, is so, it's so. Powerful. And we, we are talking about ownership and I love this April that you really brought that home is that you are, we are in charge, we are in ownership and like being able to name it and claim it so it doesn't stay in the dark shadows that it's right here in front of us and then begin to visualize something different, take action on it.

I mean, that right there is a super. Right there. A strategy that is a superpower and available to us and in our control. I love that so much. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So for anybody

taking notes, I know there's some high achieving note takers out there. Number one is identified stressor. Two is own it.

Three is visualize it, and then lastly, use. Yes.

Brilliant. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. April, I know that you have a free resource and I'd love for you to share that with our listeners. That is so great. Y'all wanna run and get this? Yeah. Can you check what that is?

Definitely. So for those of you that didn't take notes during, during our.

Powerful conversation. I've got you covered. So I have a new free resource called 15 Ways to Say Goodbye to Chronic Stress, which is really geared towards helping high achievers do the things that we were talking about. Really reduce your stress levels, prevent burnout, and increase your joy so that you can feel your best insight and out and, and, and really walk in your purpose and passion.

So you can tag it on my website, which is, Yep, my name. So it's April lichens dot.

I love that it's going to be in the show notes. I will make sure that that's all there, so you can go to the show notes and be able to click straight through, straight through to it, as well as being able to connect with April.

So I'm gonna have all of April's contact info. April, anything you want, Anything else you want our listeners to.

Um, just say, you know, you can connect with me again on that, on my website, or on Instagram handles a little different, It's glow, be lovely. Um mm-hmm. . And then if you, if you're listening and you're really struggling around stress and balance and sleep, you know, and you're not sure where to.

Start, but you feel like this is not sustainable, this pace is not sustainable. I do offer a free 20 minute coffee chat with me where we can kind of talk about, you know, what are the challenges, what are some of the hidden stressors, and what might be some practical next steps for you to thrive. And you can, you can, um, sign up for that on my website.

And if you're listening and anything resonated, um, just say hi. It's always great to hear feedback, takeaways, um, and just hear from.

Yes, Yes, absolutely. I personally have worked with April before and it is a game changer. It really is a game. She's a game changer and she really means it, you know, stay connected with her.

Um, she is a wealth of knowledge. Passion, purpose and commitment to people not going through some of the things she went through. And this is, this is, I think one of the reasons April and I connect so well is both of us lead with that is that, you know, for me it's been, have been being an entrepreneur for so many years and I really wanna help people like just please don't make the same mistakes.

And, and with what April's saying, she found her passion and her calling through going something that was. Really life changing, and now she's here to contribute to you to not have the same thing happen. So I really encourage you to stay connected. April, thank you so very much for coming back on the podcast.

I've already, like in my mind, I wrote down a couple of new topics. I'm like bringing April back for this and yeah,

anytime friend. Oh my gosh. I. So fun to talk to you and connect and, um, and, and just thank you so much, Such an honor to be on your show. Oh. And to be able to just share my story and thoughts with, um, your amazing


Thank you. Thank you so much. April will be back. As you can see, we have a lot of fun talk. We could talk for hours about these conversations and we really do align so very much and I love it. So thank you again, April. You are amazing. I'm so excited you're back. All right, everyone, remember, you have a choice to lead your.

Or follow your circumstances. And life really is about knowing your passions, your purpose, your values, being an ownership for what it is that you want in your life, and also what you don't want so that you can take action and emerge. Through that thriving. Hello. So remember, let go of worry. Let go of doubt.

And if you're having a hard time doing that, get some assistance with that because you're not alone and live fully the best version of yourselves. Thank you for listening today. I know there was some amazing value for you and let us create that. Thriving lifestyle that April talks so much about. And it's not just her talk, it is her walk.

And we all have that available to us. So thank you again, April. Have a great week ahead everyone. And you know the drill from a place of ownership, if it's not shaping up the way you want it to. Take the lead and create a fantastic one. Have a great week and we'll talk soon. Thanks for listening to another episode of, Let's Be Honest, Before we start pretending for more resources on taking the lead in your life, head over to kelly j and connect with me on Instagram at Coach Kelly Mok.

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