This week, Marc, Darren and Paul crack open Shrek, the animated fairy tale that turned the genre on its head and became one of the most influential family films of its generation.

PART 1 – The Nutshell – If you haven’t seen it

A spoiler-free breakdown designed to help you decide if this animated fantasy comedy is your kind of film and worth your time.

The lads discuss what makes Shrek so different from traditional fairy tales, why it connected with audiences around the world and how it helped redefine what audiences expected from animated movies.

By the end of Part 1, you will have made a decision!

PART 2 – The Unboxing – If you’ve seen it

What Did You Miss?

The things you missed, the details you didn't notice, and the hidden layers behind the film.

The lads unpack the references, themes and storytelling choices woven throughout the movie, explore what sits beneath the comedy and discuss the impact Shrek had on animation, fairy tales and popular culture.

Paul’s Facts of the Day

Behind-the-scenes insights including:

- Surprising casting stories and alternate possibilities

- The origins and development of the film

- Hidden references and production details

- Creative decisions that shaped the final movie

- Fascinating facts from behind the scenes

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What makes me special?

Your charm.

Yeah, I'm fucking charming.

All the freaking charm.

As in 50% of the time I'm quite charming.

50% Of the time, I'm a dick.

Not to us though.

100% Of the time you're charming.

You only see me 50% of the time.

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Once again, Shrek.

This was Paul's choice.

Yes, it was.

I, I thought we haven't done an animation and we've been going for what, two years?

That's right.

This is the first one.

2001.

We need some animation.

Is that what it was?

Yeah.

I was 20.

I wasn't even born.

I wish, I wish Darren would have been, I want to guess, 15, 24, I think.

Yes, he would have been back in the day.

This is the nutshell where we will break the movie down, spoiler free to help you decide if Shrek is your kind of movie and if it's worth your time.

So in its basic terms, how do you break this movie down?

It's a fairy tale with a twist.

That's a good top level.

Yeah, it is still a fairy tale, but, but it's kind of a parody of all the traditional ones.

We will use the D word.

Disney.

We'll get into that later.

And we'll get into that later.

There's a reason for that.

Yes.

And it's, it's very much a spoof of that.

But it's a fairy tale within its own.

Right.

Yeah.

And as, as I always do on here, I knew there was some sort of story there.

I didn't look it up because I knew you guys would know.

So you'll just Tell me.

It's about an ogre and a princess.

Yes.

So I've made a. I've made a brief statement.

So this is an animated fantasy comedy about an ogre whose quiet life is turned upside down when a group of fairy tale creatures are dumped onto his land.

Desperate to get his swamp and peaceful life back, he reluctantly agrees to undertake a dangerous quest that turns out to be far more complicated than he expected.

Yeah, okay.

That's a zoomed out when chilling this thing.

Yeah, yeah.

But thematically, what is this about, Darren?

Thematically, it's a.

About fear of the unknown, fear of immigrants.

What you just described is people being forced out of their homeland by a dictator who wants to purge them.

Purge magic.

And they land on his swamp and he doesn't want them there, so he wants to send them back.

He's a very antisocial solar kind of guy.

Solar kind of guy.

He's a Nigel Farage of the animated world.

I never saw that.

Wow.

I didn't get that political.

I just saw an ogre and a donkey and.

And it's also a romantic comedy set in the.

In a fantasy world.

Yeah, that's more what I thought.

Saw from.

It's also about judging people by their appearances, learning to trust others, and discovering that things we hide about ourselves are often the things that make us special.

What makes me special?

Your charm.

Yeah, I'm fucking charming.

All the freaking charm.

I can't do it all the time, though.

I am very similar to one of the characters in this movie.

As in 50% of the time, I'm quite charming.

50% Of the time, I'm a dick.

Not to us, though.

100% Of the time you're charming.

You only see me 50% of the time.

We get.

We get the best of him.

Yeah, you do get the best.

You get the good side of the Gemini personality.

It's also a buddy comedy.

Yes.

And it's about a reluctant hero.

We like a story about an underdog and a reluctant hero who falls in love.

Some of its key aspects, it's got talking donkey princesses, dragons, knights, fairy tale characters, and one very grumpy ogre who just wants to be left alone.

That's pretty much the nutshell.

And we should probably tell you, it's CGI animation, so computer graphics, which nowadays is pretty much every other film, if not most of them.

But back when Shrek came out, it was very much.

When was the first Toy story?

Okay.

Yeah.

But it was still a mix of hand drawn Animation and CGI films coming out.

But this was one of the ones that really started to tip, if I remember rightly, it started to really tip a lot of the animation into then CGI and computer animation rather than andron.

And the popularity of it seemed to sort of just keep going then and getting bigger and bigger.

And the Disney started doing their easier.

To do quicker than the old school ways.

I think they still take a few good years to do it, but maybe a bit quicker than the hand drawn because they would draw every frame.

Where it's.

With computer animation you can kind of create the frame model and then manipulate from what I've seen in behind the scenes things.

I don't know much about computer animation.

And they get better with it.

Like by the time when did Beauty and the Beast come out?

Amanda Ballroom scene is Insane was actually.

We'll see.

So that was where part of it.

Elements of it in them Disney films.

So Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, all those sort ones, they all had elements of cgi.

Even Tarzan where he's like going through the jungle and swinging through the vines.

There was like elements of it.

I think by the time they got to Treasure Planet.

No one talks about that movie.

I like Treasure Planet.

I know no one talks about it.

No, they don't.

It's a shame.

But that had some really impressive kind of CGI stuff going on in there as well.

Also got the voice talents of Mike Myers, better known for his work in Austin Powers and Wayne's World.

Also Eddie Murphy, better known for an awful lot of comedies, I suppose.

Beverly Hills Cop.

Our Beverly Scott is right up there.

Yeah.

So imagine if Axel Foley was a donkey.

Yeah, pretty much where we are.

Yeah, totally.

John Lithgow, third Rock from the Sun.

That's the man.

Yeah, but he's also in Santa Claus the movie.

Yeah, he's in phase.

He's in a lot of stuff.

But my favorite is Santa Claus the movie because he doesn't believe in Father Christmas.

And then he's talking to Dudley Moore who's like one of the Santa's elves and he's like, well, maybe you were bad when you were little.

And John Lithgow does this really kind of funny laugh like.

Yes.

And then he smiles at the memory.

I was going to ask what kind of watches this, Darren, but it's pretty obviously it's a family movie.

Yeah, it's a family movie 100%.

I mean you could maybe if you really liked it, if you're like a student, start again.

You could put it on in the background.

It's a bit on a Simpsons level where there's jokes for little ones and jokes for adults.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

It's a family movie, but it's very much.

There is stuff in there for the adults as much as for the kids.

The kids will enjoy it on one level and you'll enjoy it in a different level, which is probably what you said.

You watched this with your daughter, did you?

As soon as it was decided, I was like, yeah, because you haven't seen it before.

So we'll get into that as we break in the nutshell for meets I.

Heard the Princess Bride meets Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

That's nice.

Yeah, I can go with that.

And the other movies.

Could it be compared to Paul?

I had Princess Bride down as well.

I also had Enchanted, which is a Disney movie with Amy Adams and she kind of.

She's in that gets sucked in.

James Masdon's in as well.

There's one called Ella Enchanted with Anne Hathaway.

Anne Hathaway.

And that's kind of a bit of a fairy tale mix up where she's singing queen songs in the middle of fairy tale land.

Which made me then also think of a knight's tale a little bit because that kind of takes that journey genre of medieval, but then puts a twist on it where there's sort of modern music and things.

And that's what this does.

It takes the fairy tale land but then it puts the twist on it of a few parodies and spoofs and things like that.

Yeah, I couldn't think of any more.

But this was very much the first of its kind because then you could say, well, Puss in Boots and some of the spin offs and things like that.

It is.

It is a funny movie, but it's all.

It also has its serious moments as well.

But overall, yeah, it's a family.

It's a family movie.

Anything else?

If you like your Toy Stories and your Pixar movies and your Disney ones, your Frozen's all that kind of stuff.

Really, I think you're gonna be at home with Shrek because it's probably one of the ones that started a lot of them modern, more modern films spinning off.

Yeah, it's also pretty much first time directors.

It's two directors, it's Andrew Adam, School Adamsall and Vicky Jensen and hadn't really done that much before.

So I'm always just curious what have they done since?

Because I've never heard of Them mainly Shrek movies.

Very specialized.

Yeah, because.

Because there is four Shrek movies now, and I believe a fifth one is eventually on the way.

Okay, so there you go.

They did do something else.

I can't remember what it was, but yeah.

Okay.

Thank you, gentlemen.

That takes us into part two, the unboxing spoiler territory ahead.

If you haven't seen Shrek and we've helped you decide you do want to go watch it, we recommend you go and watch it now.

Come back, because from this point forward, there will be spoilers.

So in the unbo, we have what did you miss?

Where we will reveal things you may have missed, details you didn't notice, even if you've seen the movie many times.

Paul has his facts of the day.

And then we round off with Hate it or Rate it, where we each give a brief opinion a score out of 10, and we see where it lands on our Legend League.

So what did you miss?

I'm gonna go to you, Mr. Horn.

Sure.

Well, I mean, the main thing is it does feel like it's about immigrants to a certain extent.

It is a world which is quite common in fantasy stories, where the Authority wants to kill magic and wipe out magic because it seems powerful.

I always think of the magicians and the wizards and the witches and stuff as being the creatives, as being the artists.

Oh, yeah, that's a good component.

Like totalitarian governments will come after the artists and they cut funding and they burn books and destroy paintings and anything that makes us feel or makes us feel that we can overthrow a government,.

You just get in line and do what you're told.

It's also a bit about exploitation.

Yeah.

Of all these people who are just weird and different and profiting off them or have a special talent.

It's kind of what they were doing in Wicked as well.

Yeah.

The animals that could talk or something like that.

Yeah, yeah.

And they were trying to wipe them out.

So it is about, you know, on one hand, you could argue, it's getting rid of all the free thinkers and the people who could challenge authority.

And then at the same time, it is about immigration.

Because of that, they push further into the forest and out into the swamps where they live, and they stumble across Shrek's land and they're just hiding.

They're just looking for a place to live and he's having none of it.

Can we talk about recently about them like the government trying to kill art?

Yeah, totally.

And creativity?

Well, it feels like arts funding is cut all the time.

Whereas Ireland are doing this Great thing where they.

They're funding artists.

I think they're giving them like a.

What's it called?

Universal basic income of a thousand.

Irish money.

What's Irish money?

Yeah, I think a month.

And it's apparently created loads of interest in art and great kind of cultural significance.

I think people, if they feel if there's no, like, profit in it or way to just make a living, they're going to go somewhere else.

You would lose people who potentially become like a major inspiration to millions of people.

Art gives meaning to life.

It's incredible.

And I don't understand why it's not celebrated more and why it's not invested in more.

And I really wish that, you know, school was like 50% art.

I wish that it was.

Or if you're into it, there was more options at that level.

Absolutely.

Because there's so many different types of art.

And whether it's music or film or like fashion or whatever it is poetry.

It's just animation.

Yeah, absolutely.

So, yeah, so, yeah, it's kind of crapping on immigrants in that way.

And then it is.

I get confused as to what its actual message is.

Because Shrek comes out and we all think it's a body positivity message.

Right?

Is that what we think?

But by the end of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because she stays as the ogre, doesn't she?

She doesn't go back.

Yeah, it doesn't.

I didn't see that.

As in.

As in.

As in more of an embracing her natural look rather than putting on this Persona of a princess during the day, which was when most people would see her, it was only at night.

But this time it flipped around and she embraced that.

She was like.

She was like, I don't care.

So is it almost like being true to yourself because she falls in love and that's obviously in overall, her perception.

Of what matters changes.

Yeah.

Could it be that?

What did you take for it?

Darren's got a thought on this.

Well, I just kind of thought that it's kind of saying ugly deserves ugly.

It's like, find your level.

Oh, yeah.

But by the end of it, neither of them care, though.

Well, Shrek never cared because he recently.

Well, you can't exactly.

Shrek never care, but now she does.

But the reason he lives in the swamp is because he's ugly.

So he's like, I don't want to.

Be in a swamp because there's nobody there.

Yeah, but that's because I guarantee you, if Shrek was a hottie, he would be living where we Will never know.

You're presuming here.

Yeah, of course.

Are we getting into Shrek 2 territory?

I haven't seen Shrek 2.

What?

I've seen all.

I've seen three.

I didn't even know there was a fourth.

I've seen Shrek 2 and I've seen Shrek the third I don't like.

I'm just intrigued because it's kind of like she.

In one of her versions, she's beautiful.

And if it was a Disney film, they would both be attractive at the end.

But he's still following that line of it's always the kind of attractive girl who has to see beauty in the monster.

It's always that way around.

And then.

So she's got to kind of see.

Shrek as, but then he sees the beauty in her because actually, in a normal form where she is, in brackets, beautiful.

There's a throwaway line he says when he's going to her.

It's like, oh, in other words, you look too for me, because he's an ogre, so he's looking for different things.

But then it all turns around.

So there's another movie.

This could be compared to Shallow Hal.

Yes, totally.

But.

But then when she changes and she's like, oh, I'm all ugly now, he's like, no, you're not.

Now.

Now you look better.

Yeah, there's something in there about being true to yourself, I think.

I think.

I thought that was kind of the message of, like, she was really concerned about being an ogre in the day.

And by the end of it, she wasn't.

She was happy with just being herself.

That's the core.

Because she found a place kind of thing.

It's still kind of judging people on how they look.

Of course.

Yeah, but someone's.

But that's someone who's made that shift from being.

Caring about it, almost hiding, but then to not.

So I thought that was a good thing.

No, it didn't.

Denied.

I think I'm not a popular real boy.

I think because it just.

It didn't.

That kind of didn't flow for me.

I.

That was kind of quite jarring.

And then.

Yeah, so.

So I'm just curious.

I felt like it was about, you've got to find someone at your level.

So it's very kind of incel y in a way.

But this.

This movie constantly is poking fun at the idea of a perfect princess or a handsome prince or have happily ever afters, like.

Which is perfect.

Sonified with the bit where he's got his Mask on still.

And she's like, oh, yes, I fell in love with the prince.

And him and Donkey just start laughing as if to say, yeah, right, like that's gonna happen.

But that's again, perception, isn't it?

Yes.

Of attraction.

So something else.

A lot of the fairytale jokes are actually aimed at Disney.

So does anyone want to go there?

Well, it starts out of the gate where once upon a time, it's doing the Disney book.

And then he's literally in the toilet.

He's like, like that's ever gonna happen.

What a load of.

And then he doesn't say shit because it's a kids movie, but he shuts the book.

It shuts the book on that moment.

That's also the gate.

How the Game of Thrones spin off Night of the Seven Kingdom starts.

Oh, that's interesting.

Well, he's not.

He's not reading a book, but the Game of Thrones music starts.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun dun.

And then it stops and goes like.

And then it cuts to the night.

Shitting him.

Shitting in a.

By a tree, I think.

And then you hear the noises and it's basically being like, yeah, Game of Thrones was shit.

Let's move on.

Game of Thrones is phenomenal except for the ending, as we all know.

I didn't hate as much as most people, but I get the point.

Let's move on because that could be a whole episode.

That could be a bonus episode right there, Mark.

So a lot of this is.

This is DreamWorks, who made this?

So this is funk at Disney.

So what's the story there?

I know.

I vaguely know it's a former employee, isn't it?

Jeffrey Katzenberg, who used to be the head of Disney.

I think he.

Did he fall out with everyone?

Yeah.

Or he kind of pushed out because he saw things a different way.

Yeah.

So he ended up with Spielberg.

Yeah.

So DreamWorks became like this break off studio and this was one of their first big.

I think they've done ants before this, but this was like a big hit for them.

And Disney then went toe to toe because they did Bug's Life, didn't they?

Yes, yes.

That was Pixar, Disney.

Yeah.

So there's a lot of them poking fun at Disney in the.

Is there any more movies where they poked at fun at Disney?

I like that idea.

Well, I think one of the facts was I'll read it probably later.

But it was.

They very much had to get the lawyers to watch this very closely just to make sure they weren't gonna get sued because it took quite a long time to make.

It meant that because as it was developing, they could put in the parodies of things like the Matrix as it was developing.

But it's got to be semi okay with Disney because Peter Pan's in it.

You know, Tinkerbell's in it as registered trademarks.

Yeah.

He sings the song from Dumbo.

Like you've seen.

I can't remember.

You've seen a May fly.

You've seen this fly.

Bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly.

But parody kind of gets away with that sometimes.

Parody of Peter Pan, though.

It was just Peter Pan there trying to sell.

Maybe.

Maybe Disney were like, you know what?

Fair enough.

Maybe.

So one thing I picked up on, which I don't know if it would, I mean, what's this 25 years ago is there was a moment where Donkey says, you look different.

And Princess goes, princess finna goes, I'm ugly.

And he goes, well, maybe it's something you ate.

And she.

I don't know if that.

Would that be.

Would that be the fact of someone saying I'm ugly or using the term Ugly doesn't really get used anymore, does it?

No, no, you probably get cancelled for that.

Yeah, they, they.

There's no whole thing going on in America right now with some politician type person and have basically called him ugly.

Seen this.

You guys just don't pay attention to what's going on in the world.

I love it.

Too busy watching movies.

Say it again.

What time was the news?

I don't know.

There's this guy who.

It's a whole American thing where it's like Democrats and Republicans, isn't it?

And one side is called out, one of the other sides thrown at each other.

Yeah.

It's all it is.

It sounds depressing.

Just go watch a movie instead.

It is like our House of Commons right now.

It's just.

Yeah.

It's like children, schoolboys.

Yeah.

Showing ice.

I can't watch it.

Just.

It's too much.

So, yeah.

In that context, in.

Well, in America right now, ugly is getting used.

Yeah.

But I don't know.

I do.

I think I would hope as a civilization we're evolving because I don't understand what beauty means.

That there's historically.

Yeah, like there's.

Historically there have been, you know, media beauty, say for the uk, but there's loads of experiments where they'll take an image of like a woman.

It's always like, you know, I've seen it done with guys as well and they send it to you like Photoshop artists in every country and say the difference.

Photoshop this into your ideal version of beauty.

And obviously the Russian idea was different to the Korean, to the Japanese, to ours.

And even within us, even even at this table, our ideas of beauty are probably very, very different.

So it doesn't freaking mean anything.

What I tend to think is once you fall in love with somebody, no matter what they look like you, they become beautiful because you see the nuance and the flaws and the vulnerabilities.

And then you also are.

You're adding personality to the looks.

Absolutely.

Package, isn't it?

Yeah.

But isn't that what Shrek's about, though, with Princess Fiona?

In what way?

In what you've just said.

Because he doesn't find her particularly attractive when she's in her pretty form.

Sure.

But he's still attracted to her because of what she's like.

She's really nice.

Yeah.

I just.

We barely see that.

I know.

It's a very short movie.

Can you describe her?

This is not a deep movie.

This is not a deep movie.

No, I don't think it's meant to be.

Yeah.

It's a sweet love story.

Ruining it.

Darren, with your think I've.

It's a.

It's a romantic comedy, but it's cool because he's got the sake.

Best friend with the donkey.

And then obviously there's the rush to stop the wedding, which is classic romantic comedy.

Yeah.

And then there's the cringe misunderstanding, which is romantic comedy.

Like, I heard your whole conversation that you didn't do.

You heard like two lines out of context.

Classic act two.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

This could all be over if you just had a conversation or if you'd.

Got there 30 seconds earlier.

Yeah, exactly.

Or if Donkey just come and said, hey, you're my best bud.

I'll tell you everything you need to know right now instead of just sleeping on it.

Damn it, Donkey.

I know, right?

So part of this has gotten the classic reluctant hero like you mentioned.

Like, he doesn't want particularly any of this.

He just wants his swamp back.

Yeah.

But the adventures is sort of forced upon him, but it also makes his character growth feel a bit more real and natural that he's kind of.

This whole thing's been pointing for him.

He's not seeking it, it's just sort of, okay, I'll do it.

And also kind of his friendship with Donkey as well.

He doesn't really want that, but because he's so persistent, it kind of evolves as the Film goes on and they have the moments and by the end of it.

Yeah.

They're kind of best buds as well as well, aren't they?

But the bit that I probably want to go back to is the whole adult humor versus the kids humor.

So you could see how a kid could watch this and just.

It's very colorful.

There's going on surface level.

But then some of the lines are very cleverly done.

Whereas to the kids might not get them, but they'll probably laugh anyway because there was things like, sure, it's big enough, but look at the location.

Like just random things like that.

Which is sort of much more almost Seinfeld humor or something.

Yeah.

But then there's things like where the dragon ends up kissing Shrek's bum and it's like, yeah, kids are going to find that funny probably.

But I think the, the ending flips the traditional fairy tale.

Normally the princess would become.

Yeah, she would switch the other way.

Yeah.

Normally the princess would becomes what society wants her to be, whereas this Fiona becomes her true self.

That's kind of at this call.

That's.

That's how I saw it.

And then they open up their house to everyone.

And now Shrek doesn't mind people being around.

Yeah.

Because he never really did.

It was just that he was ugly.

But then once she made him feel okay with being ugly.

He was, oh, it's fine.

I'm okay with it now.

That was the validation he needed.

Yeah.

See, it's a sweet love story.

Anything else, gentlemen?

Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

The only thing I was going to say was Lord Farquaad when this came out, Mark.

Yes.

Yeah.

Multiple times.

Yes.

I embrace it.

Okay.

Someone just says my name.

I go, that's Lord to you.

Because I was watching it and I hadn't thought when I picked the film and I was like, of course I need to ask him.

That random D at the end of it doesn't make any sense.

No, that's true.

John Lithgow, who soon to be Dumbledore, really relishing the role as the baddie.

And obviously there's lots of short jokes in there as well.

Yeah, I felt offended.

Yeah, exactly.

It's still kind of pointing, saying, you're not attractive enough because he's short.

Yeah.

Your glasses really need cleaning going.

You say that.

Terrific.

Give us them now.

So I'm just gonna do a live commentary here.

The glasses have gone across to Mark.

They are really filthy.

Good Lord, good job.

He's got his Newcastle top on here.

It's nice and smooth.

I. I need just a sec.

I should be wearing sunglass.

I need everything to be dimmer and blurrier.

I like life more blurry.

Doesn't that have a natural as you get older?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not fast enough.

I've seen too much stuff.

I just want the world to be.

I was like, now I can see Paul perfectly clearly.

It's a bit of an issue.

Well, there's a teaser.

Yeah.

Anything else before we move on?

I don't think so.

I mean, there's obviously tons of references to the fairy tales.

There's loads of Easter eggs which we've talked about on other shows.

Don't we like going into Easter eggs?

That's something that.

I think it's more fun if you spot on your own than being told the answers.

But there's little things I like.

I mean, it's quite dark, like.

And kids are going to miss that.

I mean, there are torturing creatures.

They torture the gingerbread man at the end.

You can see he's had his legs stapled back on with icing.

That's cartoon style, Tom and Jerry.

It's just like, do you know the Muffin Man?

The Muffin man, the Muffin man.

I think one of the bears gets slaughtered and the rug is on the floor.

I think it's Mummy Bear.

Oh, yeah.

There's some dark stuff happening in the background, but he's a crazed, like, dictator.

It's those things where, like, the people.

Kids watching it now will go back 10, 15 years and go, oh, my God, I missed that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I always find it weird when the authorities go after the magic wielders in any kind of fictional work or fashion.

It happens quite often, but I'm like, you're the magic wielders.

Fucking win.

Yeah.

Use your magic.

Yeah.

Band together, take them out.

Anything else?

I'm just trying to think of, are there any other fairy tale creatures that were scary?

Because it was round up the little pigs and like three blind mice and stuff, but not Shrek.

Like, they were like, oh, you're okay because he can fight back.

Yeah.

He was scarier then.

There was Pinocchio, obviously was, I'm a real boy.

And then they said, five shillings for the possessed boy or something like that.

They're the sort of throwaway lines that.

Went talking and flying.

Donkey was worth ten.

Oh, yeah, that was funny.

It was five until he realized he could fly.

Ten.

There you go.

He can fly.

Okay.

I think we'll move on.

Cool.

Thank you gentlemen, that takes us perfectly into Paul's facts of the day.

Hit me up with those facts, Paul.

You love those facts.

Okay.

Believe it or not, the principal actors never met each other.

I believe that.

I don't know whether they have.

In subsequent films, they may well have done, but in this particular one, they all read the parts separately with a reader feeding them the lines, which tends to happen in a lot of animation.

I mean, sometimes I think in Toy Story, you had Tim Allen and Tom.

Sometimes, not always.

But sometimes not always.

Yeah.

John Lithgow later admitted that while he enjoyed playing Lord Farquaad, he.

He was a little disappointed that he never actually worked directly with Mike Myers Camera.

It'd be more fun, wouldn't it?

Yeah.

A little bit of feeding off each other and.

Yeah.

Well, the old Batman animated show from the 90s, which is incredibly good, by the way, if you get a chance to look it up.

But they used to do it almost like a play reading.

So they'd all be in the room.

So you'd have, like, Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill, whoever was in the show, and they'd all be, like, reading it like a play.

And they said that was like a table read.

Yeah, they said it was better because it was like more of a dramatization.

But on a lot of these things.

Yeah, they just do the parts separately.

It's easier, probably, logistically.

And cheaper.

Yeah.

So Chris Farley was originally cast as Shrek, and he even recorded almost all of the dialogue.

However, after his death, the role was then given to fellow Saturday Night Live performer Mike Myers.

And Shrek's air quotes in the film is actually a homage to Farley, whose character, Bennett Brower, also used air quotes.

So I've not actually seen that, but it'd be interesting to see what the difference was.

That's the man.

Yeah.

So that's how long it was sort of in production, because they record all the voices first.

Oh.

And then they do all the animation.

So it's quite possible that he'll have done all the dialogue, like they say, but then it's just.

It takes a long time to animate.

And also, if this technology was new, like we were on about what takes longer now, I would say, yeah, hand drawn probably takes longer.

But back then, this was them probably still figuring out the technology.

So it probably did take a lot longer.

To render graphics and backgrounds and all that kind of stuff.

Because it'll have been new.

Oh, not new because, like you said, cutting edge, but cutting edge still.

Yeah.

So the song at the start, Somebody.

Wants Smash Mouth, that was only a.

Placeholder for test screenings until a new song could actually be found.

But test audiences loved it and the.

Producer kept it in, fit it perfectly.

Yeah.

And now, because they kept all star, they let the band perform.

I'm a believer at the end.

And now when you hear that song, most people think of Shrek.

I definitely do.

That band made a lot of money off that.

Yes.

Royalty checks even to this day.

And Eddie Murphy got a BAFTA nomination for his role as Donkey.

And that was one of the first of its kind.

And Eddie Murphy says it's one of his.

It's among one of his best works.

Regardless, voice actors get.

What awards do they get?

What's the kind of.

They don't really.

That's possibly why it was one of the first for a bafta.

But they'll have their own separate awards, I would imagine.

There's a really good voice actress, a lot of them coming out of the woodwork now, and I'm curious about it.

Either my algorithm has switched or they are being more public.

And I think partly it's.

They're justifying their role versus AI, I think a lot of the time.

And there's a phenomenal voice actress.

You can follow her on, like, TikTok and Instagram stuff.

She's called Tawny Platis and she's just popped in the last few months, so she's now guesting on other people's podcasts and stuff.

But her talking about the process of voice acting and how it's done and what it means for the character is an education in itself.

It's worth following.

It's one of those things where, like, yeah, you could AI it, but why would you want to?

I know, obviously companies could save money, but just.

Yeah, I feel you're going to lose.

The nuance, the human.

Human aspect.

Even if you AI, you need to know what the difference is between, you know, somebody who's got a low register or somebody who ends a sentence on a low note instead of a high note and what that means.

And a trained actor or V society is going to know how to do that, how to get information across.

Yeah.

Like, it's interesting.

She does a breakdown of the characters in Boys and their Masculine, whether the voices are masculine or not, and she breaks it really down.

Like, Homelander's got this really weird Voice distinction.

And she's like, this is because he was growing, like in a lab or whatever.

It's.

It's educational.

However, this.

This particular podcast you're listening to isn't actually us3.

It's an AI replication of us3.

That's right, Paul.

See, this is it.

You would lose the nuance.

We should do that.

We should just feed every episode into a podcast and be like, now do this film.

Yeah, let's see what it comes up with.

Well, there's so many hours of us talking that we could be replicated.

Easy.

That is weirdly scary that that's going to be the case.

Nobody can predict what I will say next.

No, that's true.

If he was to be replaced by.

By AI, nobody could replicate the amount of mistakes he makes on a daily basis.

Well, and this is a good example of what you're talking about.

So the scene where Princess Fiona burps was actually a recording session where Cameron Diaz burped after drinking cog.

And then Eddie Murphy improvised the donkey response, saying, she's as nasty as you are.

So that just came out of human stuff.

Like it.

But I'm wondering how.

Yeah.

How that works if they're not in the same room.

Yeah, but they could have sent him the recording.

Yeah, that's true.

And then he's come up with that.

Oh, they could have filmed it and sent the video of her doing it.

That's true.

That's pretty good.

So the late Alan Rickman.

This is an interesting twist.

So the late Alan Rickman was initially cast for Lord Farquaad.

However, Rickman opted to play the role of Professor Snape because it was around the time of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, or the Sorcerer's Stone if you're in the usa.

And the role ultimately went to John Lithgow, who now, ironically, is about to play Dumbledore Door in the Harry Potter TV show.

Why did they make that change?

I used to know.

What do you mean?

The change philosophers to sorcerers.

I think it was deemed because the American audience wouldn't know what a philosopher was.

If I remember rightly, that cannot be true.

Americans aren't a sorcerer type, but they.

Thought sorcerer would be easier to mark it.

But in the film, don't they say Philosopher's Stone?

I think they recorded both.

Oh, no.

Did they?

I don't know.

Write in, let us know.

Yeah.

Harry Potter fans, your call to action.

This is your time.

This Is your moment.

All that nerd and out reading those books, joining fan sites, talking on Reddit, watching the movies on repeat.

It was for this moment.

Now educate us.

Yeah, please let us know because I know for like Disney's Zootopia or Zootropolis.

Yeah.

I can't remember which way it was released where, but somewhere it's released Zootopia and somewhere it's released Zootop.

They had them do the lines for both.

So maybe they did that with Harry Potter.

But like you say, let us know.

Yeah, I'm angry.

I think we have the intro.

Prior to the release, the movie was viewed by DreamWorks, his lawyers because there was concerns that Disney would sue over.

The movie's not so subtle.

I can't say this satirical references to the company's films and theme parks because there is some digs to the theme parks in there as well.

But most of the company's films are based on fairy tales, which I don't know.

All right, who knows?

Let it go.

If you can't copyright Humpty Dumpty, can you?

I guess not.

There you go.

So in answer your question before I thought I'd seen this.

So yeah, Chris Farley's death being one of the main scanners in the works.

Yeah, I reckon they probably paused because of that.

In that time, technology had moved on so they had to sort of keep up, keep up with it.

I've seen that happen with video games.

There's been a big delay, but new technologies come out and they're like, well, we can't do the way we were doing it because that's out of date.

We're gonna have to adapt to this new system which is basically starting again.

I've seen that happen before.

It could be some of that.

But also there's 36 unique locations in Shrek, which at the time was more than any computer animated film at the time.

And if they were.

But the rendering was really slow back then.

Exactly.

We've done it.

I'm just gonna press enter.

74 Hours.

Right.

We'll come back.

Yeah.

Vengeance is a great motivator.

Yeah, it is, it is.

Every single time they were like, this is taking too long, we should quit.

They know we must mock Disney.

Yeah.

I will have vengeance.

Right, one more, Paul, one more.

Obviously there's some well known facts about this around Mike Myers changing his accent because he decided his original take wasn't what he wanted and putting in the Scottish thing.

But I'll leave you with this one because this one shocked me.

The effects department actually took mud showers to study how to realistically portray mud in the film.

That's going the extra mile.

Are you saying that they used company expenses to go rolling watch mud wrestling?

It said they took the showers themselves, but yeah, maybe they threw that in.

Yeah, I'm sure they joined it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're doing this for research.

Yes, for research.

Yeah.

Have you got a pack of dollars we can take?

$51 Notes, please.

Yes.

Thank you, Paul.

That was very entertaining.

That takes us into hate it or rate it.

So what do we think?

It was your choice, Paul.

So I'm gonna go to you first.

Go for it, Paul.

What are you gonna say?

Well, I liked it until you all started talking about it.

I'm not sure.

What did I say?

Just kidding.

Yeah, I still really enjoy it.

I haven't seen it for a while, I confess.

So it was quite fun to watch it after.

Not because there's some of these films I revisit all the time and Shrek used to be one of them, but haven't had a chance to watch it for a long time.

But I just.

I love how witty it is and also the fact that kids can enjoy it.

And we noticed the other week because I text you both to say, look, it's still on the top 10.

So how.

How come a film from so long ago is still in the top 10 on Netflix?

Shrek 1 and Shrek 2 were in the top 10 last week.

They might still be there now.

Well, they just added recently, though.

I don't think they were.

I think they've been on for a while, so it's surprising to see them still in there.

I wonder if it's like how bookstores will sometimes put stuff in the window or on the big table, but you got to pay to be there.

I wonder if sometimes they just pay Netflix to be like, bump it back in.

Just say it's trending right now.

Maybe.

Who knows how their algorithms work.

Yeah.

Or Netflix is just pushing it.

Was it school holidays, all the kids watching Shrek?

I don't know, but it's nice that I like it.

When you have a family film that works on two levels, kids can watch it and enjoy it, which hopefully you'll get to when you're telling us about it with you're little and Mark.

But yeah, I like the wittiness of it all.

And I think the Job by Eddie Murphy all the Cast, but particularly Eddie Murphy as a donkey, is just class.

And they basically created modern fairy tale characters from taking the piss out of old fairy tale characters.

But now the next generations are going to know Shrek and Donkey just as much as Snow White and some of the others.

So that's quite a feat in itself.

What am I going to give it, though?

Because I could.

What?

I mean, the computer animation, obviously there's films where it's a lot more polished now, but even watching this just on dvd, it's still got a lot of charm to it and you can see how much detail has been taken and the locations, even for sort of early computer animated.

I love animations anyway, so I always appreciate how much work goes into them.

Especially I love the hand drawn ones even more probably.

So I'm gonna pick one of them at some point just to annoy you both.

Mmm.

I don't want to give away how I feel about Shrek 2, which I like even more, so I'm probably gonna give this an 8.5.

Screw it.

I really like Shrek.

I think it's really good.

Okay.

Yeah, I really enjoyed it too.

I.

Similar, similar thoughts to you.

Good story.

Multi layered jokes for little ones and big ones.

Like an onion.

Yes.

Yeah.

I thought Eddie Murphy was fantastic.

And even though recorded separately, it doesn't sound like it.

The chemistry is there and I like the.

The floor, the flaws in all the people and about how it's being.

Nothing's perfect and.

And also I like things that poke at fun at other companies.

So.

Yeah, that was a good thing.

That was a good.

That was a good thing for that.

So.

Yeah.

And I haven't seen it for probably 20 years, since I was in my 20s.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

I didn't like it that much back in then, but I like it more now.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Like I watched it and just sat with my daughter.

We both enjoyed it.

That's what I was gonna say.

Did she enjoy it?

Yeah, she really enjoyed it.

I think we did it in two sittings probably.

Yeah, probably about 50, 50 each.

And I never got bored.

I thought I was going to get bored, but I didn't.

The story carries all the way through and the cast really works well, so I'm going to give it a 7.8.

Nice.

Over to you, Mr. Horn.

I'm so pleased that we've returned to the natural order of things after two episodes where I was a bit wobbly and I don't know why I was out, but you mean when you actually like things yeah, we're back to hating stuff now.

What?

This is Shrek.

This was so dull.

What's wrong with you?

So many things wrong with it.

Oh, okay.

But yeah, I didn't enjoy it.

I don't think I laughed once.

I was bored.

It's 90 minutes and it dragged for me and I was just like, I don't understand any of this.

So then I was like, okay, it's aimed at kids.

What will kids find of this, Find good in this?

And I was like, I think.

What year did you say it came out?

2001.

2001.

Yeah.

I think we've moved on.

I think there's.

I think it's dated in terms of being self aware.

Of what?

It's kind of marking.

I think, I think it's done better now, so.

And it just didn't make sense and there was just so many questions.

Okay, so why was she cursed?

Why did the witch curse her?

Where did that come from?

I don't understand.

Have you seen any of the sequels?

No.

Well, you need to watch them then.

I shouldn't have to watch a sequel to make this film make sense.

Like, it's not explained why Lord Farquaad is trying to get rid of all the magical creatures.

Because he's a baddie.

But that doesn't make sense.

Why didn't you get rid of like, it just did.

What's wrong with you?

What's wrong with him?

It's like, why?

What is his motivation?

Like, did they.

Like, there was just no character there.

There was no character reason in there.

It just didn't make sense.

Like, why is the dragon holding the princess?

Where'd that come from?

Like, who put her in the tower?

Why is the dragon guard in it?

Like, this is a.

Fairy tales go with it.

No, you can have a fairy tale and make it make sense.

And I think that, I mean, it might be like when I was a kid, I read Neil Gaiman before he was problematic.

And Neil Gaiman had been writing stuff that is comments on fairy tales, like ages ago.

Then you had TV shows.

Have you seen 10th Kingdom?

No.

It's like a TV show.

And there's this girl, I can't remember exactly.

She lives at the edge of the forest, but I think it's like Central park or whatever.

And then I think she gets sucked.

No, she doesn't.

Some.

Some like gobliny or type things kind of come into our world.

And it's a whole big thing, but it's a really fun show.

But it's doing the same thing.

Likewise with Once.

Have you seen Once the series Once Upon a Time?

Yeah, Once Upon a Time.

I've seen that from season seven.

So that's kind of doing the same thing.

It's like, oh, here's Captain Hook, here's Snow White.

And it's just messing with it a lot.

So I feel like it's been done.

This might.

But you can't mock Shrek because it's been done after Shrek.

No, exactly.

It could be the original.

And you're right, it's in many ways seminal.

I mentioned somebody.

Someone said to me, what film you doing as Shrek?

And they're like, oh, that's an iconic film.

And Iconic.

Is that the word we would use?

Okay, iconic.

New.

No, I just think, you know, I think Enchanted does it better.

I think Frozen does it better.

I think Tangled does it better.

I love all the film you're mentioning.

So.

But.

But they've also.

They make more sense and there's more kind of character development.

And also, I just didn't believe their relationship.

Like, I can't.

I. I would find it hard to describe Cameron Dierce's character's personality.

There was no chemistry.

I didn't see them falling in love.

I didn't.

It was a montage.

Come on.

It was a movie we saw where there's a montage and then she points and then runs away around behind him.

The holidays.

On the holiday.

Yeah.

And you were like, that montage was lame.

Yeah.

So just lay montages.

None of the film really makes sense.

I don't understand the motivation of it all and I just didn't find it that fun.

And then also, you're right about the music.

You do associate it with this.

But also did that lame ass, annoying American movie thing where they just play music like a song over the credits to try and convince you you had a good time.

I did have a good time.

And then you dance to it.

And I'm just like, would you rather they do give me.

Let me have a good time?

Don't try and convince me to have a good time by playing music and just showing the characters dancing.

So when.

When Donkey's singing, I'm a believer.

You felt nothing.

No.

Oh.

What?

Well, so come on.

Ah, believe.

And all the magical photos.

How.

How did it end?

What do you mean?

How did it end?

I don't know how else to say that.

Question.

Can we write it down?

How did it end.

They all lived happily ever after.

So what does the king do now?

Also, why he got eaten.

Did he get eaten by the dragon?

Okay, Donkey's new.

Also, the whole king's like, oh, I need to marry a princess in order to be the king.

Well, you don't.

You just say you're a king because you've got the ar.

Like, you just take over and establish yourself.

But then there wouldn't be a movie.

Also, what is she the princess of?

Where's her land?

Well, you find out that if you watch the sequels.

You have to watch the sequels, dude,.

I don't want to be watching movies and then have to.

You've never seen Shrek 2?

I probably haven't just forgotten it.

Right?

Let's do that next.

I think I have seen it because I. I must remember Pussy in Boots.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

It's got gingerbread.

More of the gingerbread men in it, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a bit more gingerbread.

Not the gumdrop buttons.

Wow, you really like this movie, didn't you?

Yeah, I really liked it as well.

Yeah.

But I totally get why you liked it.

Like, if my child would ever watch a movie with me, like, it would have been fun watching it through her eyes.

I was trying to get.

I feel like we'd have had a different score altogether.

You'd be like, this is really fun.

I was trying to get to watch Happy Feet.

I was like, you're gonna love it.

There's lots of songs in it.

And in fact, is there a Taylor Swift song in Happy Feet?

I think Happy Feet was before Taylor Swift.

That might be the one thing that that means I could get her to watch it.

Unless they sang something from six the Musical.

Maybe if you put the Lorax on because she does the voiceover character in the Lorax, she wouldn't care.

It needs to be a song.

It needs to be from one of the many.

Toy Story 5 is now got a toy song from Taylor Swift.

It's really great.

Toy Story 5.

Taylor Swift song.

Just putting a plug out there for Taylor.

You're welcome.

I love you.

Sweet.

So.

So, yeah, there was a bit of talking and fart jokes.

Then it was a musical interlude.

Then it was a bit more like jokes and bestiality.

Anatomically dodgy relationships.

It's a cartoon.

Then there would be another musical montage, and I was like, I don't want to watch these musical montages.

So.

Yeah, but you know, I go back to the theme of everything of every single episode.

I'm not that happy a person.

But I like Raiders Are Lost art.

I like Bears a Prey.

So, yeah, apparently I need more whimsy in my life is what I get told a lot.

And I should enjoy things more.

Yes, whimsy, let things go.

So I think there's a bundle of better movies you could spend your time watching.

So I'm going to give it a generous 3.2.

Generous, because that opening is Somebody is amazing.

I think I've seen a massive load of TikToks with just funny stuff happening with that over the top, like somebody banging the head or something.

You've given like two extra marks just for that long.

Just for the humorous TikTok videos that may have been linked to it, but not.

But that song, definitely.

And once again, the balance is restored.

Where I pick a film and Darren hates it.

That's what he said.

I didn't even get 10 out of him for the Godfather.

So what are you going to do?

No, because the whole part in Italy is dull.

Not a believable attraction.

Whereas, you know, in Frozen their relationship is fricking adorable, even entangled.

Yeah.

But if I pick one of these films, which I am inevitably going to do, you will then come and be like, you know what, I remembered this differently.

And actually, all right, you'll get one eventually.

I don't.

Frozen and Tangled, I think are phenomenal.

They are phenomenal.

But I'm still worried I'm going to pick it and you're going to be like, it's changed.

But I'm not.

But I'm not entirely sure Frozen entangled would exist in the way the self aware nature that they have without Shrek.

And that's kind of what I was pointing out to before, where this was very much the first of its kind to push that boundary, wasn't it?

Where.

Yeah, we should totally applaud.

That's good.

Like it was.

It started a change in children's entertainment, I think was very much overdue.

I mean, there was a bit of it, don't get me wrong, there was still a bit of it in Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, especially because you had Robin Williams as the genie and that was very kind of referencing all the Disney films and things like that.

That sort of started a little bit.

But this was a real sledgehammer to it, wasn't it?

Aladdin Bug just bugs me.

So you got a genie what could you wish for?

Oh, can I wish that there's no peasants and everyone has a plenty of food?

No, I'm going to wish that I'm a prince and I've got all the money.

What about the other street urchins that you've abandoned?

You're not starting on Aladdin in the same podcast as Shrek.

Mark, there's a bonus episode.

Yeah.

So that gives it a total of 19.5, which puts it in 38th place.

That's not ridiculous.

Out of 75.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, I'll let you off.

And it puts it just ahead of Elf and Project Hail Mary and just below Palm Springs and Labyrinth.

They're all great movies.

I think.

I think that's a pretty fitting.

Pretty fitting company.

I'm gonna load this up on my sequels list that I know Darren will enjoy with Bad Boys 2 Hotshots 2, Shrek 2.

Well, I want to watch Street Dance 2.

No.

Step up to the streets.

What, without watching one first?

No, I have to watch one first.

Yeah, exactly.

And I was thinking if I do that though, and then I get to step up to the streets, these motherfuckers are going to start dropping bad boys to hot shots too.

You know it.

And I'm not.

Am I willing to watch Street Dance 1 again just to get to Street Dance 2?

Why not?

Because it will infect us with crappy sequels.

You know, there's a Velocipasta 2.

Has it been released yet?

I don't think so.

I'm sure they'll let us know when Velocirapasta 2 becomes available and puts it on the wheel.

Okay, so that's where it lands in the Legend League.

That's what we thought.

But we'd love to also know what you thought of the movie and also what you thought of our opinions.

So get in touch and we'll read some of that on the show.

So what would make a good follow up episode in our back catalog following this?

Wicked.

Yeah, I maybe say Elf.

Yeah, Alpha's another good one.

Labyrinth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All the ones around what you were saying in the leaderboard are probably quite good for this.

Yeah.

But yeah, Alpha, Labyrinth.

It depends what you're focusing.

If you're focused on the romantic comedy element.

And Holiday is pretty good.

Yeah, it's got lots of whimsy and Cameron Diaz.

There's the link.

Yes, yes.

Very good.

I like that.

Okay, we'll move on.

Let's move on to part three, the listener lounge.

Come on, fans.

Bring joy to my life.

Give Me something to live for.

So in the listen lounge we have the lobby where we have your questions, your stories and your comments.

Then we ask our question of the week and we finished by revealing next week's movie.

So into the lobby, friend of the show, Mr. Joe Lamb sent us a reel which I've obviously I can't play a reel here, but I can.

I've put it onto the text format.

Basically it was about.

Is it Pat morita who plays Mr. Miyagi?

Oh yeah.

In Karate Kid.

Yeah.

So during his audition for the role of Mr. Miyagi, despite having a full proper American accent, pulled a truly authentic Japanese accent from out of nowhere with no prior voice training.

He himself has no idea where it came from.

I've seen the behind the scenes of him talking about as well.

He's like, I basically went into the audition, he was just there.

And you're like, it's just weird because he was in Happy Days and stuff.

It is the film gods film God muses, making sure it happens.

So thanks for that.

Joe didn't respond to him, but now he knows I know he listens every week.

So thanks Joe.

Go Joe.

He has also been with us since day one.

Yes.

OG listener.

Even from the pre production episodes.

The test episodes.

Nice.

You get medals for listening to those.

Yeah.

Which will get released one day.

Okay.

So we've had some answers to our previous question of the week which was which character movie character deserves their own spin off movie.

Scott Wigglesworth straight in gaff from Blade Runner Technoire detective drama in the run up to meeting Deckard.

Interesting.