Laura and Xhafer keep an official Die Hard tally as the mutiny on the Galactica takes off. Laura worries she'll never see Simon again. Xhafer hands the internet his kryptonite on a silver platter. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 13: The Oath.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of friends

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who used to be strangers and are now

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I'm Laura

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Xhafer: And I'm Jafer We have.

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We have, uh, so we have an episode.

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Laura: we do

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Xhafer: It's season four,

episode 13, "The Oath."

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Laura: It is

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Xhafer: you've already watched

the next one because we're

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recording these back to back

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Laura: I wondered if you wanted

to spoil that for the audience.

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Xhafer: Well, it's a two-parter, right?

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Laura: It very clearly is, yeah

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Xhafer: and so we're

recording it back to back.

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You'll get to listen

to it week after week.

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but there's no, like, what

happens next lingering in the air.

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So, uh, listener, if I don't do my normal,

uh, pauses or, uh, not saying stuff, I'm

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just gonna acknowledge it up front that

I know Laura's already seen the next one.

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I've already seen the next one.

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We've done our notes.

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We're recording it as soon as

we finish this one probably.

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So, uh, just, like, if I don't play

those normal games, that's why.

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Uh, we…

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I won't, I won't try to actively spoil

next episode if you're watching along,

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but know that I'm not also gonna be,

like, censoring myself on how this

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conflict resolves or the fact that

it only happens over two episodes,

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because that was a poignant thing,

uh, that I don't think was recorded.

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I think that was when we were talking

outside of pod, uh, that you were…

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You had expressed concern, before watching

these two episodes that Gaeta's mutiny was

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going to be the threes and the final five

subplot from last season and this season,

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that it was going to s- go on way too long

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: the main concern

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Laura: I think that might

have been on pod, and I think

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you did try to mislead me.

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Xhafer: I might have.

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I do that sometimes.

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I do that more than you've realized.

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Laura: I, I felt like it was gonna

be at least another episode or

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maybe, uh, even another after that.

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I

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: about it.

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But yeah, it did not drag on.

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I think you did say, though, it wouldn't

be, like, like that silly final five,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: nonsense was.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I, I couldn't remember

if this was two or three episodes

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before I sat down to watch them.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Uh, the fact that it wrapped up in

two was like, "Okay, cool," 'cause there's

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a lot of stuff that needs to happen still.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: but this is also good

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Laura: the Cavills have

to show up at some point.

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We're

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Xhafer: Yeah, we haven't

seen a Caffel in a while.

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Laura: be.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: I mean, we're not, uh,

we're not done with the Caffels.

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Dean Stockwell will be back

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, we've been too worried

about him this whole time, so

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Xhafer: They, they mention him

just enough to remind you that he's

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still running around out there.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: a little worried we might

never see a Simon again though.

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Xhafer: I, I, I'm pretty sure we will

see all of the, uh, of the Sylons.

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Like, I don't think anyone…

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It's, I don't think we're missing a

Doral or a Simon or something, uh,

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Laura: When you

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Xhafer: going forward

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Laura: Deanna?

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Because she, it's unclear if

she stayed on Earth or not to

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Xhafer: I, I am talking…

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Okay.

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I'm pretty sure we see Simon

and Doral and the Cylons that

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you would expect to see again.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: I'm pretty sure everyone's

back for the finale-ish.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And that's the f- the finale's

three parts, so if we count all three,

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I'm pretty sure we get to see everyone

you would expect to see without

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saying anything about characters

you may or may not expect to see.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: No spoilies there

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Laura: you could always get Deanna

back somehow in being that like, oh,

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well, when they unboxed the one on the

resurrection hub, Cavill also like…

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Xhafer: just pull the backup.

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Fuck it

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Laura: Yeah.

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Or, or Boomer resurrected another

one on her way out, 'cause we

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still don't know where Boomer is.

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: So yeah.

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A lot, a lot left to do, I think,

'cause I I just have a feeling this show

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has to end us on some kind of planet.

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I, I just think that…

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I don't know.

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Maybe I'm wrong.

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Maybe we're all gonna be nuked in the end.

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That's, that seems possible

too, but, I don't know.

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I feel like there's another

planet out there for us, so

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Xhafer: I mean, that's kinda like what

everyone's talking about going and

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doing while they're doing this mutiny.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: So that would be

logical to, to follow up on

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We still had those, I don't

remember what classes he said, J,

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K, and L or something he wanted

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I don't know

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Xhafer: I think, I think they use

Star Trek classifications in this

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Laura: Oh, they did?

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Xhafer: just as a nod.

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I think when they s- found New

Caprica, they called it, like,

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barely an M-Class planet or something

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Laura: Yeah, it was like not ideal.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Like, uh, I'm pretty sure they…

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At the very least it's a nod,

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: given Ron Moore's history, even

though all of the planet classifications

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in Star Trek come from Vulcan words.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Who cares?

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Only nerds know that shit, Jafer.

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Xhafer: A Minshara class planet you mean?

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: That's, that's

what that stands for.

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Um, actually, duh.

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Laura: So I guess we gotta do this

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Xhafer: Yeah, we should

talk about this episode.

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Uh, we got Battlestar Galactica, Season

4, Episode 13 The Oath We open on Adama

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and Tigh discussing that some of the fleet

is still refusing their upgrades to FTL

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as he tells Tigh that the Quorum can fix

it, just as, uh, we join Zarek in his, uh

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Jail cell.

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Laura: Yeah, so we're having this

conversation, and Adama's, like, trying

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to, to get Ty to call the quorum,

but Ty's like, "Uh, do you really

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think I'm the best guy for that?"

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Xhafer: That is, yes.

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Laura: And as they're trying

to, like, acknowledge this,

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Rosalyn just wanders in in

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Very casually.

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Yeah

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Laura: I, I, there's a subtle thing

too in this scene that I really liked

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'cause over the last, I don't know,

two, three, maybe four episodes,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: given hints about, like, how much

things on Galactica are deteriorating

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and how much people are, like,

acknowledging how much this sucks.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Uh, and so in this, in,

peppered into this conversation

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is how bad the algae coffee is.

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Nobody

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Xhafer: There's,

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Laura: coffee

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Xhafer: there's lots of

complaints about food in this

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episode and the one that follows

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Laura: Yeah.

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Uh, I guess they've not been

hip to mushroom coffee yet.

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That's a thing I used to get

ads for all over my Instagram.

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Xhafer: Yeah, man.

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That would kill me, but it's sa-

like the ad- the ads worked on me

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for mushroom coffee, and I'm…

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Yeah, and I'm just all like, I didn't

realize it was mushroom coffee.

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It was all like, "This coffee,

natural coffee alternative.

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You get this and this and this."

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And I'm all like, "That all sounds great.

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I like most of those things.

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I like the B vitamins.

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I like the, the, the, this stuff."

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It's like good stuff.

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Yeah, you know?

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And I, and then I like look into it and

I'm like, "Fuck, it's mushroom coffee."

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Listener, I am super

allergic to mushrooms.

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If you were unaware.

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If- I don't think that's something

that would come up casually.

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Uh, I typically don't broadcast

ways to poison me to you all.

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But, uh,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know funny?

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Um, one of my good girlfriends and

I, we text each other pictures of

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fungus we see all the time, and

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: still hadn't occurred to me that

like, oh, that would, these would be

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bad for Jafeir, no matter what they are.

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'Cause, you know, I

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Xhafer: 100%.

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Laura: Some of them

could be also bad for me.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And it's like, it's hilarious 'cause

like, you know, I've, I've talked

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about my dad on the, on the pod before.

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My dad was a prepper, a

bit of a conspiracy nut.

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: And, uh, so I grew up with

like nature survival training.

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That was like part of my childhood,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: right?

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So I can tell you, I can tell

you a handful of mushrooms

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you can and can't eat.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I mean, for me the answer's

easy, but for everyone else, I do

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know a handful of these things.

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And I'm just not like…

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I was always like the, like you could

throw me in the woods and I'd have a shot.

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Like, I know how to do enough stuff.

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I know how to like trap.

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I know how to like do a handful

of things to survive in a

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wilderness situation because…

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And I've, I've, uh, even I spent a summer

working at a summer camp, and I taught

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edible plants as one of the classes.

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Laura: Uh-huh

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Xhafer: And so it's just like, like

I, I know a handful of these things,

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and it's just, it's, I always found it

just like the dichotomy of it hilarious

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because it's just like I wasn't allergic

until I was a teenager to mushrooms.

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I didn't, I didn't s- I wasn't

born allergic to mushrooms.

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I, I grew into it.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: And so

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Laura: I think if we were rebooting

Battlestar Galactica today, I want

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the fleet to have the algae food, of

course, but also, like, a mushroom

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ship or mushroom farm or something

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: we get mushroom coffee instead.

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I think that would be, uh, just a

delight for me, and that's what I want.

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Xhafer: It m- it, it feels like

that'd be something you could

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grow in space relatively easily

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Laura: It kind of does, doesn't it?

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Like, especially 'cause mushrooms are

such a, like, uh, associated with,

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like, growing on waste products.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: we, we can probably get

waste easier than, other things.

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You know, if we happen upon a planet

that has some life on it but it's not

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sustainable, maybe it can grow mushrooms.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Chop down a bunch of space trees and

throw them in a hole and see what happens.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: them every once in a while.

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You'll get something growing

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Laura: gotta, you, spores have gotta be

easy to store and carry with you, right?

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Lots of

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay, but they don't have mushroom

coffee, and also Ty is a little freaked

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out about Rosalyn sleeping over.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he's just all like, "Oh."

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: Mike Hogan, man.

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He is so good in this show

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Laura: He's got a great face.

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Xhafer: Like, anytime, like, I

feel like Beth has watched, like,

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three shows where he's a bad guy.

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And I c- I, I, I think

Teen Wolf, I don't remember.

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Fucking, there's stuff.

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And it's just like every time it's like,

"Oh, it's, it's, it's Ty," you know?

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And he's just, like, acting his

fucking ass off all the time, and

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she's like, "Oh, this guy's the

ba- worst 'cause he's this villain.

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He does these things."

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I'm like, "Oh, no, he's great."

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Laura: I mean, okay, we're

getting near the end of the show,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I think at the beginning I

would've been like, "Is Ty a good guy?"

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Uh, 'cause, you know, all the,

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Xhafer: Oh.

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Laura: and the,

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Xhafer: Well, I don't, I mean,

I don't think he's like a good,

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the character is a good person.

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I think Mike Hogan is a great actor

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Laura: I, I mean, unless there's

gonna be some sort of really bad turn

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in the next, what have we got left?

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The six episodes that

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: haven't seen?

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Um,

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Xhafer: He's had a very full character arc

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Laura: He has…

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I, I would s- put him, like, more if you,

if you got a slider at the bottom, uh,

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he's, he's tilting toward the good side.

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Like, not a, not a total

asshole, so congratulations

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Xhafer: in terms of character development,

he's gotta be the most changed

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character from the start of the show

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay

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Xhafer: I don't think

that's controversial.

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Uh, bad stuff-- A ton of stuff

has happened to this guy, and he's

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come through all of it and not

all, not cleanly, but, uh, as a

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different, changed, and better person

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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I'm, I'm sitting here thinking

and I'm like, you know, I don't…

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I mean, if, if we're just saying most

changed, I'm wondering, like, could

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Gaeta also be up there in a way?

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But like, the wrong way.

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Xhafer: I, I have a lot of

feelings about that actually.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: but we'll talk

about it next episode

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Laura: I honestly haven't paid enough

attention early on to this character to

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: get a

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Xhafer: I,

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Laura: it

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Xhafer: I will say, in rewatch

mode, definitely paying attention

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to a lot of those things, and I've

even called out some stuff too.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Uh, little, little nods on

pod, uh, to what this was leading to.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Uh, whenever Gata's been

upset about a decision being

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made, I've made a point of saying

something about it for this reason.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: So

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Laura: Yeah.

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All right, so let's get to that.

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I love that

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: every fucking thing in

this episode almost, and it's even

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better in the next episode to me.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I love me some timestamps.

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Xhafer: Uh, Gaeta frees Tom

Zarek, uh, with a pack of Marines.

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They have a, secured a small arms locker

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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another thing that I wanna call out

that happens in this episode and the

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next that I liked as an artistic choice

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: is, uh, right here is even Gaeta

is bu- springing Zarek, busting him out.

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he rubs his wounded leg,

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Xhafer: Yes

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Laura: does this a lot

throughout these two episodes.

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It's very subtle.

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It's not, like, super obvious, but,

uh, he's being bothered by something

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Xhafer: Yes, the, the pains are there

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Laura: They, at this point, they

aren't worried about the quorum

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Xhafer: They're worried

about Lee in the quorum.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I think

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Xhafer: S-

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Laura: that's what they said, that

they, they weren't too worried

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about the quorum except for

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Xhafer: Lee.

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Laura: Yeah and back in Adama's quarters,

Rosalyn's like, "Hey, he's super right.

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He, he shouldn't be the one

calling the Quorum, you idiot."

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: he's like, "Well,

Lee can handle it."

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And

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: doing her thing of, "I'm

not getting involved anymore.

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I'm busy dying and living till

I die, thank you very much."

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Uh, but

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Xhafer: but this guy can help.

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Laura: resist.

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Yeah, she cannot resist

telling them who can help.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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racetrack fakes a fuel spill to get some

of the Baltar Bang Bus babes off the deck

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Laura: Oh, is that who they were?

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Xhafer: Yes.

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'Cause they're, they, yeah, they…

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Why are they here is the real question.

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They're here so that, there's a reason

for, Baltar to know what is going on

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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I, I was, I didn't even catch that these

were Bang Best Babes, and I was just

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like, "Oh, we're getting people out."

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Okay.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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yeah, and Gaeta's saying like,

"Oh, there's a, there's a plot on

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Zarek's life, so we've gotta get him

to Colonial One for safekeeping."

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And Laird is a, a good, good

boy who's gonna just go confirm

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that with CIC real quick

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Xhafer: Yep.

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No, we see Laird for the first

time since mid season two

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Laura: I know, right?

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I guess he took over when

the chief was demoted, right?

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Xhafer: Well, we saw the other

guy, uh, was up there too,

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Laura: in

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Xhafer: Fegurske, but also Laird

is chief petty officer here.

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so, uh, there's some

confusion on that, but

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Laura: Well, you told me

about Fegurski getting dressed

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down in the previous episode,

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Xhafer: Yeah, maybe he got demoted

and then will get re-promoted.

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Um, but yeah, uh, he insists on

calling and clearing the departure, and

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then he gets got by Zarek Clu style.

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Laura: Yeah, I actually looked

away to, uh, on my notes.

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I saw Gaeta, I thought, looking

at the wrench, and I was

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: and then I look back up and

Zarek's talking about, like, he's

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not the last, he won't be the last.

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I thought Gaeta did it

until you corrected me.

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Xhafer: Oh, nope

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Laura: So, yeah, that makes more

sense, especially with the other things

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: that are gonna happen

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Xhafer: yep.

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Gaeta steels himself to theme.

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A survivor count 39,643.

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We are down one, and it is Laird because

he died before the survivor count

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Laura: Okay.

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That

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Xhafer: of those.

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Sometimes that counts,

sometimes they don't.

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This is one where we didn't

see anybody else die.

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He could hypothetically be part

of the number that is a more

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significant drop next episode,

with a bunch of unnamed people, as

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we'll talk about in this episode.

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But conventional logic is it's Laird

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Laura: sense

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Xhafer: Hoshi notices the launch of

a Raptor in CIC and asks Gaeta, who

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tells him that he just is waiting

for the update from Laird to come in,

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and he kind of plays it off that way.

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And then when it comes up again, he

says it's just a Dradis ghost, and Adama

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and Tye buy this story

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Laura: I feel terrible too because a

couple of times throughout this initial

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process, Hoshi is bringing up legit stuff.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: we, we know that Gata had

said, "I'm gonna protect you in this."

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I think that was in the webisodes, right?

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"I'm gonna protect you from

what comes next," or something.

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And so Hoshi is, like, doing his

duty, and he keeps getting overridden

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by Gata, and that feels so bad.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: That feels so bad.

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in Colonial One, Lee is trying to

talk to the Quorum, but Sarek's back

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Xhafer: Yep.

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He rolls in and assumes

control of the meeting

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: like, "Hey, the

vice p- president's back.

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I'll be running this meeting now.

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By the way, your dad freed me.

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You should talk to him about that.

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Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh."

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Laura: Zarek from the prom

jump is just like lies.

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Lies, lies, lies all through this process

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Um, this is such…

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I mean, Richard Hatch had a ball,

I'm sure, uh, with this episode,

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these episodes I should say.

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Laura: Not a good sign though when you

think that you're doing a righteous

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coup, that it's full of lies, lies, lies.

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Xhafer: No.

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Well, he doesn't think he's

doing a righteous coup.

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Zarek knows what he's doing.

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He's just telling Gaeta

what he needs to hear

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Laura: Gaeda thinks he's

doing a righteous coup.

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Xhafer: Hundred percent

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Laura: sure, for sure, for sure.

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Anders gets approached by

someone he calls Diana.

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Xhafer: That's Celux.

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Laura: Oh, I w-

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Xhafer: Diana is her first name.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: All the pilots have regular names.

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Racetrack is Margaret.

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Like

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Laura: Yeah.

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But Celix, Celix is just her last name and

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Xhafer: Yes

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Laura: is what?

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Hardball?

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Xhafer: Something like that, yeah

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Laura: Something like that.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I thought this couldn't possibly be Celix.

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Maybe she, maybe the actress

just changed hairdos or something

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Xhafer: No.

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Laura: in between.

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No?

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Xhafer: No

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Laura: Laura's just real bad at faces.

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Face blindness.

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Cool, cool, cool, cool.

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this, this bodes well for when I have

s- students in the hundreds soon.

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It'll be, it'll be great.

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Xhafer: That's fine.

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You're only gonna deal with

them over email anyways.

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Laura: Uh, facts.

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Yeah, Celix, though.

488

Celix being super sassy.

489

Okay, I'm, I'm, actually I'm glad it's

Celix 'cause when he called her Diana and

490

I was like, "Oh, he had another lady?"

491

Xhafer: Nope.

492

This is just Celix who's all like,

"Man, maybe you didn't wanna fuck me

493

because you're a fucking dirty Cylon."

494

Laura: Yeah.

495

Yeah.

496

It's your fault and you're

defective for not wanting me, which

497

Xhafer: Real incel logic from Celix.

498

Not happy to see it.

499

Where's Lanier when you need him?

500

Laura: Yeah.

501

So, uh, she does him real dirty,

and she's distracting him with all

502

this shit so he can be kidnapped.

503

Xhafer: Yep

504

Laura: Uh, fire.

505

Fire detected

506

Xhafer: fire the wireless array.

507

They have to send a repair team,

and Gaeta is like, "Listen,

508

all y'all, it's sabotage.

509

The timing of this is too convenient.

510

You should send some

Marines down there too

511

Laura: Oh boy.

512

Xhafer: After this, we cut

over to Kara Thrace, who is

513

mean to Hot Dog for no reason

514

Laura: Yeah, Cara Starbuck, she's had

some real bad looks over this show.

515

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

516

Laura: just more of that.

517

Xhafer: For sure.

518

She's like, "Aha, I guess that

was an apt nickname when I

519

called you Hot Dog there, eh?

520

Because, you know, you had a child

you didn't know about and are dealing

521

with that trauma right now, and

also I'm kinda slut-shaming you."

522

And then it's just like, "You're

g- you are gonna slut-shame me?"

523

And then it's just all like, "Bruh,

I thought we were chill here."

524

Laura: Yeah.

525

She, she

526

Xhafer: There is no chill

527

Laura: yeah, she doesn't take too

kindly to Hot Dog giving it back.

528

Uh,

529

Xhafer: Yeah.

530

Laura: but she can't take.

531

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

532

Laura: but, the fire alarm's going

off, Starbuck, like, heads toward it.

533

A pilot's like, "Hey, I'm in

charge," and she's like, "Why

534

Xhafer: Yeah

535

Laura: pilot in charge?"

536

And she's starting to, she's

starting to see it, I think,

537

Xhafer: This is

538

Laura: her of being a Cylon as well.

539

Xhafer: Yeah, this is Narco,

540

Laura: Uh,

541

Xhafer: was the keg on Pegasus that she

got shipped over and took the job of.

542

Laura: Oh, problem.

543

Xhafer: Yeah.

544

Like, he's hated her for a very long time,

and all of the more recent things in her

545

life that have made her m- less trustable

have only greatly compiled that for Narco

546

Laura: Yeah, and he's gonna

be a continuing problem.

547

Xhafer: He is.

548

Laura: people are arming

themselves for a fire.

549

That's also weird

550

Xhafer: Yeah.

551

She calls up to CIC and

Gaeta just leaves her on read

552

Laura: Yep.

553

Uh, Lee's also calling

Adama 'cause what the fuck?

554

Uh, why is Zarek here?

555

Xhafer: Yeah.

556

Uh, well,

557

Laura: just-

558

Xhafer: that, I do wanna call out,

Cara Thrace grabs a sidearm and goes

559

for that '90s, 2000 sci-fi trope.

560

She's doing a Die Hard

561

Laura: Mm-hmm.

562

Yes.

563

Yes.

564

We are doing a Die Hard.

565

Xhafer: We're doing a Die Hard

566

Laura: We're gonna be doing

a Die Hard for a bit here

567

Xhafer: There's…

568

I'll- I actually have a Die Hard tracker

throughout my notes for the two episodes.

569

So don't worry, listener.

570

If you, if you wanted to know

what Die Hard we were on,

571

I will be able to tell you.

572

Laura: Okay.

573

Xhafer: Originals only.

574

Laura: And, uh, maybe Lee can come

join us in this Die Hard, 'cause

575

he also can't get through to dad.

576

Xhafer: Yes.

577

Yeah, Lee calls Gaeta and he

passes the buck there too.

578

Zarek tries to convince Lee

that dad is overthrowing the

579

civilian government again.

580

And so he gets on a

Viper to go talk to dad.

581

Meanwhile, ship-wide comms are down

as the fire is spreading, we see

582

from the damage control systems.

583

Laura: Hmm.

584

Xhafer: Lee gets jumped when he lands.

585

when asked where his Cylon survivors

are now, Starbuck straight kills

586

a guy, takes down Skulls, and

then gets Lee free, because you're

587

right, this isn't just a Die Hard.

588

This is a Die Hard with a Vengeance,

589

Laura: Mm.

590

Xhafer: which is two

people doing the Die Hard.

591

That was, uh, Bruce Willis and

Sam Jackson do the Die Hard in

592

Pr- Die Hard with a Vengeance.

593

So,

594

Laura: Good.

595

Xhafer: yes

596

Laura: A whole team of

diehards by the end.

597

Um

598

Xhafer: uh, like I said,

I'll, I'll be keeping track.

599

Laura: Okay.

600

I'm glad you are 'cause I've

only seen the one Die Hard.

601

Xhafer: Well, I'm not gonna

say you're missing a ton.

602

Ben, go ahead and gasp.

603

That's fine.

604

Um, they're fun.

605

Uh, if you've seen the first

one, it's the best one.

606

I don't think anyone's

gonna argue with me there.

607

There's fun little bits in the other

ones, but like, if, unless you just like,

608

"Man, I wanna watch Die Hard, but I don't

wanna re-watch Die Hard," there's no

609

reason to watch anything besides Die Hard

610

Laura: Sure, sure.

611

Okay.

612

Xhafer: Helo and Athena hear shouting

and gunshots, and Helo's all like,

613

"Oh, maybe Hera should go to daycare

614

Laura: I, I did, I was like, "Kela, what?"

615

Xhafer: The fuck, Hilo?

616

The himbo is strong

617

Laura: I was like, you know,

the actor could read a line

618

and be like, "That's wrong."

619

You know?

620

Like, you could say, "No, I

621

Xhafer: So

622

Laura: gonna say that."

623

Xhafer: I thought about this, and

I think what Hilo is counting on is

624

if Hera is surrounded by the other

children, they won't be-- she's safe,

625

they won't know who she is in that crowd.

626

Laura: Yeah

627

Xhafer: if, if he's actually worried

about, like, insurrection or something.

628

Like, the children will be protected,

that is the safest place for her, and then

629

they don't have to worry about her while

they go handle whatever the fuck this is,

630

Laura: Yeah

631

Xhafer: realizing that it's outside

the door and coming for them

632

Laura: Okay, that's fair.

633

I, I'll, I'll accept that, sure.

634

two random groups

fighting, like, you know,

635

Xhafer: Yeah

636

Laura: maybe, maybe it's the

Bang Bus people are getting

637

jumped again or something.

638

Like,

639

Xhafer: I mean, the, the,

everyone's been very depressed.

640

He might think it's a suicide.

641

Laura: Yeah

642

Xhafer: but also, like, this is me

making excuses for the show that it could

643

have done with one line of explanation

and been better for it, which is one

644

of my cardinal sins of television.

645

If I can make your sh- if I can make it

better by one, with one line of explaining

646

a little bit more, that's a failure.

647

So

648

Laura: Mm-hmm.

649

yeah, unfortunately, we've got

Pegasus people here threatening Helo.

650

Is it Narco again or

is it a different one?

651

Xhafer: This is different, guys.

652

Laura: Okay

653

Xhafer: is, um, it's with a G.

654

I don't, uh, fuck this guy.

655

This is th- this is one of the

guys who sexually assaulted Athena.

656

Laura: Yeah.

657

oh, for

658

Xhafer: Boomer?

659

Yeah.

660

Laura: Boomer,

661

Xhafer: Y-

662

Laura: I

663

Xhafer: Boom- Was it?

664

No, it was Athena.

665

It was Athena.

666

Laura: Okay

667

Xhafer: Yeah.

668

She wasn't Athena back

then, but it was Athena

669

Laura: Okay.

670

Xhafer: I think.

671

Laura: know

672

Xhafer: Maybe Boomer?

673

Fuck, I don't fucking remember

674

Laura: we know he probably

did the six too, Agina, right?

675

Xhafer: 100%, yeah.

676

No, he was like in the cell when

they like beat up those guys.

677

He's just not the guy who

died, 'cause there were like

678

Laura: Yeah

679

Xhafer: two or three guys that

were doing the sexual assault.

680

Laura: Right.

681

does threaten her again.

682

yeah, and I think he

683

Xhafer: Yeah.

684

Laura: out here

685

Xhafer: Like, and this guy,

like, ends up at taking Gaeta's

686

post as part of the mutiny.

687

And like, this is where if I were

Gaeta, I would be questioning things.

688

Laura: Mm-hmm.

689

Xhafer: I'm having a righteous

revolution right now, and the

690

guy who did the sexual assault is

taking my job as I get promoted?

691

Laura: Yeah.

692

Does that,

693

Xhafer: Mm.

694

Laura: feel good?

695

Is, does that

696

Xhafer: Mm.

697

Mm.

698

Does that feel justicy to you?

699

Laura: Uh-huh.

700

Xhafer: hmm.

701

Hmm.

702

Laura: Uh, tell me something, because

703

Xhafer: No, but maybe.

704

Laura: one Die Hard.

705

Xhafer: Oh, okay.

706

Yes.

707

Okay.

708

Laura: Uh, when, when,

uh, Willis and Samuel L.

709

Jackson are teaming up,

710

Xhafer: Yeah

711

Laura: do they kiss?

712

Because

713

Xhafer: I said yes, would you go watch

Die Hard With a Vengeance right now?

714

Laura: 100%, we would have to pause.

715

Xhafer: Y- Laura, they kiss.

716

' Laura: Cause Lee and

Starbuck do for some reason

717

Xhafer: Right.

718

Laura: the CIC

719

I mean, so it's mostly Starbuck, right?

720

She seizes him, I

721

Xhafer: Yeah.

722

She sees him as like,

"Oh, I'm fucking alive."

723

And it's all like, uh, I mean…

724

Starbuck would literally rather do a

high heart- die hard than go to therapy.

725

Laura: Mm-hmm.

726

Yep, 100%.

727

Uh, CIC, Hoshi's confused about the gases.

728

If there's a fire, why are

the gas readings normal?

729

Xhafer: Yeah

730

Laura: and Gaeta, uh, says some bullshit,

and Adama's like, "Well, I'm gonna send

731

a private down there to check it out."

732

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

733

Laura: So Helo and Athena are

left in the brig, and Six is sure

734

that they're gonna be killed ASAP.

735

Um, Athena says, "I, I think

now we're bargaining chips."

736

Uh,

737

Xhafer: Yes

738

Laura: because he's one of

them Final Fours that we care

739

a lot about for some reason.

740

Xhafer: Yes.

741

Andris is like, "I don't

fucking know shit."

742

And they're like, "Maybe you

don't say that out loud."

743

Laura: just maybe keep

that one under the chest,

744

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

745

Uh, so we didn't mention it before,

but in all of this ruckus, Adama gets

746

pissed that the communications are

down, so he sends his, like, yeoman

747

ensign down as a runner to go see what

the hell's going on with the fire.

748

Jaffee gets back and is

all like, "Uh, it's fine."

749

Like,

750

Laura: Yep

751

Xhafer: "This stuff was going on, but,

like, it's just a mechanical failure.

752

Like, everything's okay.

753

Like, I didn't see any of this shit."

754

Laura: Yep.

755

Uh, problem,

756

Xhafer: Yep

757

Laura: 'Cause, uh, that's, that's getting

too, too close to what's really happening.

758

So Gaeta shows his hand and starts

shouting for Marines, I think

759

Xhafer: Yeah, Marines to seize the

admiral and the colonel and takes over CIC

760

Laura: Yeah.

761

This private, like, jumps in front of, uh,

762

Adama because the, the Marines

are jumpy, and they're not

763

Xhafer: Yeah

764

Laura: but they start firing

at Adama anyway 'cause

765

Xhafer: Yeah

766

Laura: out, I think.

767

and the young man is killed

768

Xhafer: Yep.

769

Adama is pretty pissed because he totally

cares about this ensign who's totally

770

been a major character this entire time.

771

He's a private, not an ensign, but yeah

772

Laura: Yeah.

773

and Gaeta's, like, issuing his arrest,

774

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

775

Laura: and has to, like, try again

because Adama's, like, not interested

776

Xhafer: Yeah

777

Laura: Uh, "There will be no

amnesty," Adama says, though, and-

778

Xhafer: Now there will be a reckoning

779

Laura: Yeah.

780

Gaeta's been wanting that.

781

He's been wanting a reckoning, so

782

Xhafer: Doesn't sound bad to Geita.

783

It should, but it doesn't.

784

Laura: Exactly

785

Xhafer: The senior staff gets

locked up, uh, Hoshi included

786

Laura: Oh, I didn't, I

didn't catch that part.

787

Okay

788

Xhafer: Yeah, they lock

Hoshi up with everyone else.

789

Laura: Mm-hmm.

790

Xhafer: Which makes it…

791

Like, if you're Gaeta and you're

trying to protect Hoshi, like, you

792

lock him up because if you lose,

then he's safe, and if you win, then

793

once it's done, you just go free him.

794

Yeah.

795

And he's like, "Okay, cool.

796

Well, let's talk now."

797

Like, so there's time there, I

guess, uh, from his perspective.

798

but, uh, Lee and Starbuck are on the move.

799

They make it to Adama's quarters,

and Rosalind is just hanging out

800

Laura: I think she's at

least dressed now, right?

801

Xhafer: Yeah

802

Laura: on and she's in her suit and stuff.

803

Xhafer: Yeah

804

Laura: Although it

still is a little weird.

805

Like, why is mom just here?

806

Xhafer: Yeah, where are the guards?

807

Uh, what's…

808

Also, what are you,

what are you doing here?

809

Uh, they bring Rosalyn up to date, and

she has an idea on how to get on the

810

wireless and for them to stop Zarek

811

Laura: That, that's all great and fine.

812

Xhafer: Yeah

813

Laura: So Marines, there's no

guards outside the quarters.

814

Xhafer: Yeah

815

Laura: Uh It's because they

don't know mom is there, right?

816

Xhafer: They either don't know mom is

there or they left to go because there's

817

been some firefights and stuff now,

like fighting is breaking out over…

818

The fighting is happening

throughout the ship?

819

Laura: because

820

Xhafer: Yeah

821

Laura: would have seized her, right?

822

Xhafer: If, if, I feel like if they were

Gatiss people, they would've seized her.

823

They might've been part of the Marines

that were ordered to go do stuff,

824

because there's a little bit of that too.

825

Laura: Mm-hmm.

826

I could also see them just not, not

telling guards that mom's in there.

827

Xhafer: Yeah.

828

Like, the guards might be unaware if

she came in before a shift change or

829

something and hasn't left and hasn't

made enough noise to be noticed.

830

Laura: Mm-hmm.

831

Xhafer: like, there are reasons

the guards might not know,

832

Laura: Okay.

833

Xhafer: so

834

Laura: for a second there I was like, "Oh

no, they sh- if they were guards, they

835

should have seized her," but the, not

all of the Marines are necessarily GATIS

836

Xhafer: Yes.

837

All, not all the Marines

are gaytist people.

838

And also if they are gaytist people,

they might still support the president

839

Laura: Hmm.

840

That's

841

Xhafer: You might, you might personally

just be all like, "I ain't gonna say shit

842

'cause she'll be safe in there, and we can

go do this thing and take this ship over."

843

Laura: Yeah, and, uh, I think part of

the reason the split has, or one of the

844

reasons maybe that the split has gotten

so bad is Rosalyn has said nothing

845

Xhafer: Yeah

846

Laura: from Earth.

847

She has essentially disappeared.

848

So Mom isn't even…

849

You know, we're having all this FTL

discussion, and it's gotten heated

850

because, like, the Quorum doesn't feel

like they're being heard right, and Adama

851

thinks it's his decision, and Mom has

not to negotiate any of this with anyone.

852

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

853

Laura: So I could plausibly see some of

the people being like, "Well, this is a,

854

this is about him, not necessarily her."

855

And yeah.

856

Xhafer: Yeah

857

Laura: So yeah, we need to go to

the Bang Bus 'cause we've got, uh,

858

Xhafer: Yeah, the Bang Bus is boarding up

859

Laura: Mm-hmm.

860

I guess I can see why they took those

scenes out of the last episode with,

861

with Gaius a little bit, because

definitely is having, like, like he

862

is old Gaius in this moment, right?

863

'Cause

864

Xhafer: 100%.

865

Laura: the Bang Bus is boarding up

and he's saying, "I'm sorry, I, I have

866

to leave to protect you, because if

they come, they're gonna come for me.

867

They're not coming for you all.

868

So it's better for me if I get

on Tyrol's ship and leave."

869

Xhafer: Yeah

870

Laura: and it is absol- He's, he's…

871

That's just bullshit.

872

Like, he's just thinking of what

is the best way to save my own ass.

873

Xhafer: Yes

874

Laura: very clear.

875

Uh, so I could see that being kind

of confusing when we were trying

876

to figure out how to air this.

877

Xhafer: Yeah

878

Laura: but it's not as

confusing with something that

879

happens in the next, episode.

880

But these two things up against each

other could be a little bit jarring.

881

Xhafer: Uh, yeah, I can see that

882

Laura: Yeah, so, uh, Tyrell's like,

"The hangar deck is gone, but,

883

uh, I'm trying to get you out."

884

And shows up

885

Xhafer: Yes.

886

Uh, she makes it to the bang bus.

887

Uh, Lee and Starbuck, uh, talk to Tyrol.

888

Tyrol offers to get Adama off the ship to

protect him, but he can't go get Adama.

889

He needs Lee and Kara to go do that.

890

Laura: Mm-hmm.

891

Yeah

892

Xhafer: tells them the storage bay

and the, like, secret airlock he's

893

got where s- uh, some Cylons are

gonna be showing up to take them away

894

Laura: Yeah.

895

And so Rosalind's like, "You guys go.

896

I'm gonna get on this wireless."

897

Xhafer: Yeah.

898

And this is when Adama and Ty take out

their Marine escort, and we learn that

899

this is not a Die Hard with a Vengeance.

900

This is a double Die

Hard with a Vengeance.

901

We have two separate

teams of two going around

902

Laura: Yeah.

903

Yeah, uh, he throws them off, his marine

guards, by knowing them very well.

904

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

905

Laura: Uh, and that is distracting enough

for him and Saul to overpower them.

906

It's fun when people underestimate

the older authority that they think

907

couldn't possibly, I don't know, be

mentally spry or physically spry.

908

Xhafer: Yeah.

909

It gives me hope for the

future as I reckon with my age.

910

Anyways, uh,

911

Laura: Right?

912

So

913

Xhafer: this is Gaius and Roslin

after this, and they have a

914

conversation about how they have

both used faith to gain power, main-

915

ma- ke- to gain or maintain power.

916

Laura: Yeah

917

Xhafer: A+, no notes, loved this.

918

It's all like, "You're gonna really gonna

give me, like Roslin, you're going to

919

give me shit about using faith for power?

920

Really?

921

Really?"

922

Laura: Yeah Remember all that stuff

with Alosha and Earth and all that?

923

But, she's like, "You know what?

924

Maybe we are both frauds,

and this is our last chance.

925

So what do you say,

buddy, pal, guy, Gaius?"

926

Xhafer: Uh, Gaeta's all like, "Oh,

put the wireless on for all the ships

927

so I can know what's going on just

conveniently five minutes before

928

I need to," as he's talking to Tom

Zarek at the exact same time too.

929

And this is when Rosalyn busts in on

the wireless and starts broadcasting

930

to the fleet about the coup

931

Laura: Yeah.

932

Right before Rosalind starts her

speech, Zarek is super mad at

933

Gaeta that Adama is alive at all.

934

He's like, "What

935

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

936

Laura: should've just shot him."

937

Xhafer: Yeah.

938

If you just shot him,

this wouldn't be a problem

939

Laura: Yep.

940

Xhafer: Uh, Gaeta jams this transmission

just a little too late because the

941

guy he's got working is fucking inept.

942

Man, isn't it a shame when someone

terrible takes power and puts inept

943

people in important positions and

nothing can get done properly and it

944

negatively impacts everyone's lives?

945

Laura: Yeah.

946

Xhafer: Sure glad I

don't live in that world.

947

Fuck, that'd be miserable

948

Laura: Mm-hmm.

949

Yeah

950

Xhafer: uh, Lee and Starbees run

into the dad roll and Sawclops.

951

Uh, when Starbees tells them that they

don't have, uh, they don't have time

952

for prisoners, they've, they've got a

marine with them that they captured.

953

The admiral tells his

marine hostage to run.

954

Starbees tries to shoot him, but misses.

955

Laura: Oh, she missed?

956

Okay.

957

Xhafer: Yeah

958

Laura: I guess I was taking notes

again, and I thought she shot him in

959

the back, but I'm glad that she missed.

960

Okay.

961

Rosalyn and Baltar are

talking about Gaeta.

962

and he's like, "Yeah, I guess we both

suck at choosing our aides, don't we?"

963

Xhafer: Whoops.

964

Laura: Just another

thing we have in common.

965

Uh, and he says something about

Gaeta's loyalties were always divided.

966

Xhafer: Yeah

967

Laura: I guess.

968

I, I don't know.

969

Gita's always thought about doing right.

970

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

971

Laura: the air quotes, friends.

972

and I guess that, hmm, attempt at right,

973

Xhafer: Gaeta sees himself as lawful good

974

Laura: Uh-huh

975

Xhafer: Like, I, I, that, I mean, he is

not, but he sees himself as lawful good.

976

Laura: Yeah

977

Xhafer: so much of this decision-making

comes from him being so upset at

978

others' decision-making and him

not understanding the situation.

979

And we'll talk about it more next ep

because I have a whole thing with Gata

980

I wanna talk about when this is done.

981

Laura: Okay, sounds good

982

Xhafer: because, uh, spoilers for our

next episode, I came out of this liking

983

Gata a lot more than I did my first time

984

Laura: Interesting, interesting.

985

I can't wait to hear more.

986

Xhafer: Uh, well, you're

gonna have to wait a week.

987

Laura: for

988

Xhafer: y- you don't have to wait a week,

but everyone else has gotta wait a week.

989

Laura: They can just

sit on that for a while

990

Xhafer: Uh, all right, uh, let's see here.

991

Uh, Baltar calls CIC to talk to Gaeta.

992

He fails to convince him of anything.

993

the Raptor from the Cylon base

ship arrives and a shoulder pad

994

Sharon is piloting, and then Mom

and Dad kiss in front of everyone

995

Laura: Yeah.

996

Don't know how I feel about that either.

997

Ugh, yeah.

998

Um, before the sh- raptor arrives,

in Baltar's conversation with

999

Gaeta, he's, he, like, tries this

thing where he tries to appeal to

00:43:04,681 --> 00:43:06,481

morality first, and then he goes

00:43:06,517 --> 00:43:06,917

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:43:08,034 --> 00:43:09,324

Laura: like, either of those is gonna

00:43:09,619 --> 00:43:10,179

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:10,179 --> 00:43:10,189

Hmm

00:43:10,204 --> 00:43:12,804

Laura: if the morality doesn't work

at this point, m- I don't think

00:43:12,814 --> 00:43:14,384

the blackmail's gonna work, friend.

00:43:15,091 --> 00:43:15,491

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:17,232 --> 00:43:19,592

Laura: interesting play, Baltar

00:43:20,109 --> 00:43:22,819

Xhafer: Tyrell gets a call letting

him know that Marines are about two

00:43:22,819 --> 00:43:24,249

minutes out from their location.

00:43:24,775 --> 00:43:28,295

Uh, this seems like enough time to run,

get everyone into the Viper and take off

00:43:28,974 --> 00:43:29,374

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:43:29,895 --> 00:43:32,045

Xhafer: but it's not for some reason

00:43:34,912 --> 00:43:35,432

Laura: Yeah.

00:43:35,472 --> 00:43:37,882

I'm looking at my timestamps 'cause

I wrote down all the timestamps.

00:43:37,882 --> 00:43:38,642

I found them fun.

00:43:39,177 --> 00:43:39,507

Xhafer: Yeah,

00:43:39,802 --> 00:43:40,332

Laura: so

00:43:40,377 --> 00:43:41,137

Xhafer: down none of them

00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:46,540

Laura: they made it to the ship at

00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,040

the destruction of the Raptor.

00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:48,570

So I

00:43:49,062 --> 00:43:49,452

Xhafer: Okay

00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,350

Laura: guess they got on pretty quick.

00:43:51,774 --> 00:43:52,264

Xhafer: Yeah

00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:56,400

Laura: But yeah, Adama's

not leaving, of course,

00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:57,120

Xhafer: Yeah

00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:00,810

Laura: is Tyrol, which I, I've thought

Tyrol for sure was gonna be going

00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:05,240

with this Raptor, but he's got a lot

of crawling through tubes to do soon

00:44:05,862 --> 00:44:09,422

Xhafer: Tyrell's got his own whole Die

Hard next episode that we'll talk about.

00:44:09,792 --> 00:44:10,362

Laura: Yeah.

00:44:10,752 --> 00:44:11,082

Yep

00:44:12,792 --> 00:44:16,202

Xhafer: but, uh, Adama and Tye

resolve to hold them off while this

00:44:16,202 --> 00:44:20,512

Raptor takes off, but also Lee and

Starbuck run off somewhere else

00:44:20,512 --> 00:44:23,546

entirely, and Tyrrell also runs off.

00:44:23,866 --> 00:44:29,246

So it's just Adama and Tye standing

guard outside of the empty airlock where

00:44:29,246 --> 00:44:31,936

the president took off from with Baltar

00:44:33,729 --> 00:44:35,569

Laura: Well, they're gonna

be a distraction, I guess,

00:44:35,694 --> 00:44:36,114

Xhafer: Yeah

00:44:36,139 --> 00:44:36,839

Laura: distracting.

00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:41,869

Like, as these Marines are, like,

forcing doors open, Adama just

00:44:41,869 --> 00:44:43,639

starts firing into the hole.

00:44:44,048 --> 00:44:45,558

Xhafer: Yeah, just like, "Fuck off."

00:44:47,708 --> 00:44:54,168

Now, correct me if I'm wrong,

didn't we have a whole thing in

00:44:54,168 --> 00:44:59,708

this show about not firing in the

airlocks because the bullets bounce?

00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:03,589

Laura: Oh, I don't know

00:45:03,704 --> 00:45:05,984

Xhafer: that Babylon 5?

00:45:06,084 --> 00:45:07,634

That was Babylon 5

00:45:08,731 --> 00:45:11,201

Laura: I don't remember

it for either show, TBH

00:45:12,054 --> 00:45:12,864

Xhafer: It's something else.

00:45:12,884 --> 00:45:13,334

Okay.

00:45:13,834 --> 00:45:17,524

'Cause that logic is thrown out

the window very quickly in both

00:45:17,524 --> 00:45:19,224

of these episodes if it was there.

00:45:19,704 --> 00:45:21,024

I must be misremembering

00:45:21,703 --> 00:45:23,923

Laura: Yeah, 'cause we're gonna

do more of it in the next one.

00:45:24,768 --> 00:45:25,428

Xhafer: Sure are

00:45:27,507 --> 00:45:27,957

Laura: Yep.

00:45:28,921 --> 00:45:32,921

and I have a little moment to kind

of make up for the whole, "Were

00:45:32,921 --> 00:45:34,421

you programmed to be my friend?"

00:45:34,451 --> 00:45:35,231

business.

00:45:35,381 --> 00:45:35,921

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:36,611 --> 00:45:37,351

Laura: Uh, Adama

00:45:37,361 --> 00:45:37,901

Xhafer: nice

00:45:38,451 --> 00:45:39,391

Laura: if you were programmed.

00:45:39,401 --> 00:45:44,888

You are my friend, we have an

incoming grenade to credits

00:45:46,028 --> 00:45:48,358

Xhafer: Yeah, we get a to be continued.

00:45:49,188 --> 00:45:50,848

How'd you feel about this one, Laura?

00:45:51,538 --> 00:45:54,308

I don't wanna talk too much

about the next one because,

00:45:54,848 --> 00:45:57,428

well, it's a two-parter, and so

00:45:57,692 --> 00:45:57,862

Laura: it.

00:45:58,378 --> 00:46:02,828

Xhafer: we need to save it for that

one for, have something to talk

00:46:02,838 --> 00:46:04,438

about for the next hour of our lives.

00:46:04,748 --> 00:46:06,208

But how did you feel about this episode?

00:46:06,714 --> 00:46:10,064

Laura: I was so, and I, I

tried not to text you too much

00:46:10,924 --> 00:46:11,294

Xhafer: Yeah

00:46:11,344 --> 00:46:14,584

Laura: text you at the end of this episode

that I was super-duper mad at GaTa.

00:46:15,148 --> 00:46:15,478

Xhafer: Yeah

00:46:15,885 --> 00:46:19,875

Laura: And, uh, yeah,

super-duper mad at GaTa.

00:46:20,678 --> 00:46:21,048

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:46:21,195 --> 00:46:21,725

Laura: Guy,

00:46:21,778 --> 00:46:24,418

Xhafer: like, how mad are we talking?

00:46:25,671 --> 00:46:28,641

Laura: I, I'm mad at him for

being so stupid as to think

00:46:31,671 --> 00:46:37,091

Zarek is a good ally for what

he's trying to accomplish.

00:46:37,574 --> 00:46:38,004

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

00:46:38,571 --> 00:46:42,481

Laura: 'Cause it's, I mean, it's clear

to us, the audience, that he's not.

00:46:43,651 --> 00:46:48,761

I honestly don't know how much

interaction Gaeta really had with Zarek.

00:46:48,761 --> 00:46:52,075

Zarek was, Baltar's vice

president on New Caprica, right?

00:46:52,105 --> 00:46:56,440

But once the, Cylon showed up,

Zarek was imprisoned, right?

00:46:56,830 --> 00:46:57,580

He was just

00:46:58,725 --> 00:47:01,595

Xhafer: Zarek was impris- was

imprisoned for all of New Caprica

00:47:02,380 --> 00:47:03,070

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:09,591

So I don't know how much he could

have really known about Zarek, but it

00:47:09,764 --> 00:47:09,964

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:47:10,001 --> 00:47:13,631

Laura: been clear to him, I think,

that the things that I really

00:47:13,631 --> 00:47:19,643

want, are gonna not happen, at

least right away with this guy.

00:47:19,663 --> 00:47:23,193

But he's wanting to do things by

a certain code of rules, and Zarek

00:47:23,203 --> 00:47:25,243

is clearly not gonna do that.

00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:26,449

Xhafer: Yeah

00:47:26,668 --> 00:47:28,675

Laura: so I don't know.

00:47:28,905 --> 00:47:32,495

I mean, Gaeta's clearly had some

bad interactions with Cylon, so

00:47:32,495 --> 00:47:34,095

I can understand his hesitance.

00:47:35,065 --> 00:47:39,585

And I'm kinda mad at Roslin

and Adama a little bit.

00:47:40,115 --> 00:47:41,995

Roslin maybe more than Adama.

00:47:42,625 --> 00:47:43,185

I don't know.

00:47:43,961 --> 00:47:44,321

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:47:45,455 --> 00:47:51,015

Laura: Adama is trying to make military

decisions, and I can see why he

00:47:51,015 --> 00:47:53,325

thinks this FTL issue is important.

00:47:53,716 --> 00:47:58,739

but nobody is really thinking

about how things look to people

00:47:58,739 --> 00:48:00,119

who don't have knowledge.

00:48:01,419 --> 00:48:06,189

Roslin and Adama really don't think

about that very much, and they should

00:48:07,605 --> 00:48:08,015

Xhafer: Yeah

00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:12,589

Laura: because, uh, these little

people who don't know anything

00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:17,049

about some of our Cylon interactions

that have been extremely positive

00:48:17,749 --> 00:48:18,149

Xhafer: Yeah

00:48:18,999 --> 00:48:22,879

Laura: you know, uh, they've seen a lot

of negatives and very few positives.

00:48:23,674 --> 00:48:31,094

the uncertainty is really hard on

people in general, and uncertainty

00:48:31,094 --> 00:48:34,344

when you also feel like you have no

agency in anything that's happening,

00:48:34,855 --> 00:48:35,145

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:48:35,244 --> 00:48:36,644

Laura: extremely dangerous.

00:48:37,334 --> 00:48:37,704

And

00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:37,989

Xhafer: You're,

00:48:38,424 --> 00:48:40,154

Laura: honoring that or respecting that at

00:48:40,339 --> 00:48:43,259

Xhafer: you're bringing up a lot of points

that I'm gonna talk about next episode

00:48:43,598 --> 00:48:44,018

Laura: Okay.

00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:50,318

And especially Roslin's just like,

and I understand, like, she's dying,

00:48:50,418 --> 00:48:52,178

she's had a big crisis of faith,

00:48:52,509 --> 00:48:52,809

Xhafer: Yeah

00:48:52,878 --> 00:48:53,778

Laura: blahdy, blah.

00:48:54,628 --> 00:48:58,168

Um, but she's abdicated her throne.

00:48:58,168 --> 00:49:06,368

A- and, uh, and by default people

have assumed Dad is on the throne.

00:49:07,468 --> 00:49:08,028

Uh

00:49:08,323 --> 00:49:10,713

Xhafer: I mean, rightfully so, he is

00:49:10,754 --> 00:49:11,124

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:11,703 --> 00:49:17,173

so on the one, on that hand,

like I can see why Gaeta's made

00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:21,198

some choices, but also, I don't

know, this, this wasn't smart.

00:49:21,258 --> 00:49:26,408

He, if he really believed in some of

the stuff, he should have tried to look

00:49:26,418 --> 00:49:28,768

a little harder and clearer at Zarek.

00:49:30,118 --> 00:49:30,638

Xhafer: Yes

00:49:31,628 --> 00:49:32,649

Laura: So that's it.

00:49:32,699 --> 00:49:35,139

That's, uh, I didn't

rate it in all of that.

00:49:35,289 --> 00:49:35,579

Uh,

00:49:35,591 --> 00:49:36,221

Xhafer: No, you didn't

00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,810

Laura: This one I, I just wasn't, uh, I

wasn't happy walking out of it at all.

00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:46,132

Um, I don't know, maybe I'm

gonna give it like an eight

00:49:46,899 --> 00:49:47,209

Xhafer: Okay.

00:49:48,219 --> 00:49:49,789

I love this episode.

00:49:50,049 --> 00:49:51,099

I love this story arc.

00:49:51,256 --> 00:49:51,566

Laura: Okay

00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:54,524

Xhafer: we get a lot of really great…

00:49:54,834 --> 00:49:59,454

Like, one of the things that I always

like is the, the good Adama speech, and

00:49:59,454 --> 00:50:01,854

we get, we get some good one in this.

00:50:02,284 --> 00:50:05,304

Um, we get to spend time with

characters that we don't normally

00:50:05,304 --> 00:50:08,114

spend a bunch of time with, which

is something I usually appreciate.

00:50:08,504 --> 00:50:11,784

Uh, there's lots of character development,

there's lots of movement, and at no

00:50:11,784 --> 00:50:16,154

point is this show doing the thing

that shows with mysteries in their last

00:50:16,154 --> 00:50:20,914

season do, where it's all like, "Well,

here's more questions, so that way we

00:50:20,914 --> 00:50:22,954

can have more loose ends to tie up."

00:50:23,614 --> 00:50:24,964

That's not what we're doing right now.

00:50:24,964 --> 00:50:26,284

We're tying up loose ends.

00:50:26,284 --> 00:50:29,194

We're dealing with the reckoning

of the choices that we've made

00:50:29,944 --> 00:50:34,274

in a meaningful way that you have

to do outside of the main plot

00:50:35,235 --> 00:50:35,585

Laura: Yeah.

00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:39,175

And if anything, we're, we're using

some of these loose end tying ups to,

00:50:39,175 --> 00:50:42,705

like, distract from, yeah, there's still

some questions we gotta answer, and

00:50:42,705 --> 00:50:44,375

we still got episodes left, so, like,

00:50:44,606 --> 00:50:44,936

Xhafer: Yeah

00:50:45,835 --> 00:50:47,015

Laura: let's just tie this thing

00:50:47,046 --> 00:50:49,826

Xhafer: And, and that's not to say that

there won't be more questions that come

00:50:49,826 --> 00:50:51,716

up in episodes we haven't watched yet.

00:50:51,816 --> 00:50:52,396

There are.

00:50:52,981 --> 00:50:53,311

Laura: No

00:50:54,066 --> 00:50:54,786

Xhafer: You're gonna hate it.

00:50:54,886 --> 00:50:56,786

Uh, we'll get there s- very soon.

00:50:57,186 --> 00:51:00,516

Um, but we're not there

yet, and that's, uh…

00:51:01,686 --> 00:51:08,346

Like, when I think back on this season

of Battlestar Galactica, for me, this

00:51:08,376 --> 00:51:14,026

is-- Like, if Season 4 had a, like,

curve shape of ratings, we are at a

00:51:14,026 --> 00:51:19,166

high, we're gonna hit a lull, and then

we're gonna come back up for the finale.

00:51:19,926 --> 00:51:22,586

Uh, but I think…

00:51:23,266 --> 00:51:24,006

I don't know yet.

00:51:24,086 --> 00:51:26,476

I don't know how I'm gonna feel about

the finale on this watch-through.

00:51:27,146 --> 00:51:27,716

I don't know.

00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:30,726

It's my first time

watching it since it aired.

00:51:31,506 --> 00:51:37,436

I feel like this show put more there

than I saw my first time watching

00:51:37,436 --> 00:51:39,946

it spread out over six years.

00:51:40,262 --> 00:51:44,062

and so that, some of that is the

more condensed nature of viewing.

00:51:44,182 --> 00:51:49,562

Some of that is I'm more

observant and generally smarter

00:51:49,712 --> 00:51:52,022

now than I was in my early 20s.

00:51:52,022 --> 00:51:53,502

My brain is more fully developed.

00:51:53,782 --> 00:51:57,532

And also, that was, like, early

college for me before I had taken

00:51:57,532 --> 00:52:01,682

any cinema classes and stuff and

started to study any of those

00:52:01,682 --> 00:52:06,092

things, and before I was critically

thinking as much as I do currently.

00:52:06,372 --> 00:52:08,586

So, like, I don't know how

I'm gonna feel about it.

00:52:08,646 --> 00:52:11,786

I feel like it's gonna be a, a

U shape here where I'm gonna be

00:52:11,786 --> 00:52:15,756

really upset for about two or three

episodes before we get to the finale,

00:52:15,756 --> 00:52:16,806

and then I'm gonna go back up.

00:52:17,066 --> 00:52:18,316

I might not go up as high as I think.

00:52:18,316 --> 00:52:22,026

This might be the high water

mark of the season for me.

00:52:22,409 --> 00:52:22,569

Laura: All

00:52:22,866 --> 00:52:23,516

Xhafer: We'll see.

00:52:24,026 --> 00:52:28,116

But I'm gonna give this one an 11 out

of 12, but I am gonna take one point

00:52:28,116 --> 00:52:33,126

away for Helo's himbo dumbass saying

they need to get fucking Hera to daycare

00:52:33,126 --> 00:52:35,206

when he hears gunshots outside the door.

00:52:35,476 --> 00:52:37,476

Goddamn, dude, read the room.

00:52:40,693 --> 00:52:45,683

Laura: I, I can also headcanon

that, you know, when things are

00:52:45,683 --> 00:52:51,933

spinning out of control, people

just default to normalcy as control,

00:52:52,852 --> 00:52:53,192

Xhafer: Yeah

00:52:53,503 --> 00:52:56,733

Laura: and that's what his

brain did in that moment.

00:52:56,733 --> 00:52:58,243

Will was like, "Fuck,

00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:00,530

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:00,730 --> 00:53:01,430

Gotta go take care.

00:53:01,430 --> 00:53:01,810

Fuck

00:53:02,113 --> 00:53:02,493

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:02,773 --> 00:53:07,366

So I, I, I'll give Helo

some, some grace, so

00:53:07,409 --> 00:53:07,879

Xhafer: right.

00:53:07,979 --> 00:53:12,989

Well, next week, "Battlestar

Galactica," season four, episode

00:53:13,279 --> 00:53:16,839

14, "Blood on the Scales."

00:53:17,373 --> 00:53:20,913

Rosalyn faces off with Gaeta and

Zarek to take control of the fleet.

00:53:21,633 --> 00:53:25,883

Both the alliance with the rebel

Cylons and Adama's life are at stake

00:53:26,477 --> 00:53:28,707

Laura: Yeah, that's a

concise way of putting it.

00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:29,027

Yep.

00:53:29,161 --> 00:53:30,341

Xhafer: It's real concise.

00:53:31,151 --> 00:53:32,745

Didn't have edit anything out of that one.

00:53:33,385 --> 00:53:34,705

You know what else I don't have to edit?

00:53:35,335 --> 00:53:38,885

My amount of appreciation and

love for Jeremy Siegel for

00:53:38,885 --> 00:53:40,075

composing our lovely theme music.

00:53:40,085 --> 00:53:41,965

Thank you so much, Jeremy.

00:53:42,115 --> 00:53:45,545

You can find more of Jeremy's work

at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com

00:53:46,226 --> 00:53:49,546

Laura: And a big unedited thank

you to Angry Duck Time Machine on

00:53:49,566 --> 00:53:51,436

Instagram for our podcast artwork

00:53:52,023 --> 00:53:54,253

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much