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Nathan Spearing is a 13-year U.S. Army Special Operations veteran and founder of a tactical training facility in North Carolina. In this conversation he breaks down Pete Hegseth's explosive speech to military generals, shares his analysis of the Charlie Kirk assassination using construction modeling software, discusses the crisis of emotional masculinity in conspiracy theories, and calls for young Christian men to step up while older leaders step back. The episode tackles military standards, church hierarchy, submission, and why Christians need to pursue truth over conspiracy when tragedy strikes.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
- Pete Hegseth's military speech represents long-overdue return to merit-based standards
- Military had become dangerously top-heavy with unfit general officers
- Women in combat units fundamentally compromise male unit effectiveness
- Conspiracy theories often stem from male emotional dysregulation, not evidence
- Young Christian men need meaningful responsibility, not busy work
- Submission applies to men in church hierarchy, not just women
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Speaker B:Hello and welcome to the Will Spencer Podcast.
Speaker B:This is a weekly interview show where I sit down and talk with authors, thought leaders and influencers who help us understand our changing world.
Speaker B:New episodes release every Friday.
Speaker B:My guest this week is Nathan Spearing.
Speaker B:Nate is the oldest of seven homeschooled children and a 13 year U.S. army Special Operations veteran.
Speaker B:He served with distinction as a sniper and assaulter and special forces and squad leader in the 75th Ranger Regiment, completing multiple combat deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other locations.
Speaker B:He specialized in counterterrorism, hostage rescue, clandestine operations, and multinational force training.
Speaker B:And as a senior enlisted advisor, he directly supported US Ambassadors, senior Department of Defense officials, and interagency leaders during politically sensitive missions and an active hostage crisis.
Speaker B: , Nathan left the military in: Speaker B:He founded a bespoke general contracting company in Pinehurst, North Carolina.
Speaker B:And over the last three years, Nathan and his family have built a compound and training facility on more than 50 acres where he trains families and churches to quot rescue those who are being taken away to death and hold back those who are stumbling to slaughter.
Speaker B: That's Proverbs: Speaker B:Nate Spearing, welcome to the month long celebration of five years of the Will Spencer podcast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Good to be back and especially during this monumental time, marking time for you in this as well.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:It's been, it's been an incredible five years.
Speaker B:There's certainly lots that's happened in my journey, including meeting you.
Speaker B:I think we met.
Speaker B: Was it like late: Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Of course, you've been such a blessing to me along the way.
Speaker B:And, and for those who don't know, Nate was the best man at my wedding.
Speaker B:And I was just looking at photos of that today, so that was a very special time for us.
Speaker A:That was a awesome weekend and also reminded me that I am not as young as I used to be.
Speaker B:We didn't, we didn't go that hard.
Speaker A:We didn't go that hard.
Speaker A:But we, we ended up not sleeping a lot though.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:I think my, my, my sleep tracker was, was like get some sleep, dude.
Speaker B:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:We, well, the, the, the guy, the guys get together went until what like three in the morning or something like that?
Speaker B:Was that, was it that?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that one.
Speaker A:And then I think even, you know, after the wedding and you took off, you know, it was like our last night in town and I think other Nate and I stayed Well, I don't think we left for Spokane until after midnight or 1:00 clock and then you know, 2:00am and then I think we had to get up at 4:30 to fly back from the west coast too.
Speaker A:So it was a, it was like the final, final push.
Speaker A:Slept pretty much drooled on the airplane window the whole way back.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:Tamara and I left for the send off and just like forgot about everything.
Speaker B:But I guess people kept hanging out at the wedding for quite a bit longer which was actually, that was really nice to hear.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I, you know being in that location, there's a lot of cool people.
Speaker A:So I, I shot some texts out.
Speaker A:We're like hey, you know the, the main attraction just took off starting to, starting to slower, slow down a little bit.
Speaker A:Started trying to set some other stuff up last minute, keep the party alive.
Speaker A:So nice.
Speaker B:So I'm glad to hear that everyone had a good, had a good time in our absence as we went.
Speaker B:We went off to start our lives together.
Speaker B:So you and I were going to talk.
Speaker B:I think the original plan was to talk in November but we rescheduled this week which turns out to have been a really, a good.
Speaker B:I think it was yesterday Secretary of War Pete hegseth released a 45 minute talk that he gave.
Speaker B:I believe it was to the generals of the combined generals of the armed forces.
Speaker B:And that was a barn burner of a speech.
Speaker B:I think you sent it to me and other Nate sent it to me and wow, what a thing to be looking at from outside the military.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was in the process of getting out of the military.
Speaker A:I actually was doing my VA appointments when Trump won the first election and everybody kind of was messaging me like haha, you're getting out and it's about to be the glory days.
Speaker A:And I was like well these kinds of things ebb and flow.
Speaker A:So and, and, and I had a good, good run so it'll be all right.
Speaker A:And they did ebb and flow but we're ebbing back in a positive direction from where I sit specifically and I've, I've briefed when that when the colonel, when a full burn colonel becomes a promotable to general so there's you know they get upper officer and enlisted kind of have sequence number because these positions are specific to the rank and so you can't just keep promoting just like in a job you can't take if somebody's already in the position.
Speaker A:So they have kind of a grooming period where they travel around and are educated and I, the part that I get exposed, the part that I was exposed to those rising colonels, to General was kind of annoying to me.
Speaker A:It's, it's kind of a, it just, it.
Speaker A:The, I don't envy their position because the higher up in rank you go, the more removed you are from the ground level.
Speaker A:And I guess that was kind of the intent of bringing them through Fort Bragg and talking to different people there is to kind of give them an exposure of what is happening maybe at the ground level in special operations community and things like that.
Speaker A:And, But I just remember them like duking it out over some Wall Street Journal article and they're basically, we're like, it's like a nerd rap battle.
Speaker A:And I was just like, oh my gosh, no wonder, like we're in such a state of affairs.
Speaker A:You know, even, even then is, is these, there, there's, there's a little bit of a high buffoon factor there.
Speaker A:And, and, and I'm judging them harshly because I'm, you know, I've always been essentially on the ground.
Speaker A:I didn't have to ascend into those upper, upper ranks like some of our friends are having to do that now.
Speaker A:So I, I kind of, you know, was like, yeah, not for me.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm out.
Speaker A:And, but, but there is just a tremendous top heaviness to our military and, and in quantity and also body mass as the Secretary of War alluded to.
Speaker A:And, and it's, it's a great direction for our military.
Speaker A:And I, I actually wrote a memorandum of somebody connected with Trump's first campaign and kind of was calling for a return to the pre or World War II era ratio of generals to troops.
Speaker A:And it's not unique to me, but a lot of people have highlighted the number of generals that were on active duty, specifically the four star capacity and that kind of high level general, the number that we have compared to the number of troops on active duty in that ratio of World War II, in the ratio now.
Speaker A:And it's, it's just, I don't even know what.
Speaker A:It's something like, I think four or five times as many generals ratio by ratio.
Speaker A:It's just, it's just ridiculously bureaucratic and top heavy.
Speaker A:So a lot of people have said like, we just, we just need less of them.
Speaker A:There's just too many, too many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker A:There's too many of these, these, the bureaucracy is thick.
Speaker A:But you know, I think that whenever, whenever the generals all went to this meeting and everybody was speculating about it, I.
Speaker A:We talked about this.
Speaker A:I think already I was not thinking that we were going to war and there was some nuclear crisis about to happen.
Speaker A:I was like, he's going to fire him.
Speaker A:You know, but now as a, you know, business owner, I realize, like, it's hard to fire people when there isn't a clear standard that they violated.
Speaker A:You know, in a lot of ways, that's been nebulous in the military.
Speaker A:And so what this meeting was, was him essentially laying out a clear standard.
Speaker A:And I think that, that we will see firings happen because of this standard.
Speaker B:Audio just dropped out.
Speaker A:I'm back.
Speaker A:So I was, I think I was when I got cut off.
Speaker A:But I think that, you know, we see him laying out the standard that they're going to hold them to.
Speaker A:And, you know, kind of my immediate response that I fired out on X was, you know, I want to see the way oftentimes these PT tests are administered by soldiers that they command directly.
Speaker A:And so, you know, it's, It's.
Speaker A:It's going to be really hard to have a, you know, a first sergeant or, you know, sergeant first class that is, you know, holding the clipboard and doing the measurements to, to put down a failing score for their boss.
Speaker A:So, you know, I was kind of hoping for him to say, all right, hey, you know, line up, walk out the door.
Speaker A:We're doing the PT test now and have completely disconnected and trained people.
Speaker A:And, and maybe, maybe they did it, you know, and they're not trying to, because, because you don't want to embarrass and compromise.
Speaker A:But that's one of those things where if you're trying to really test the standard, we would do those exercises, we come in and not really even knowing what was going to happen, and they'd say, you know, grab your kit, move outside and be prepared for whatever.
Speaker A:And then potentially those things go for 36 hours straight of testing of your skills and things like that.
Speaker A:So I guess kind of deep down I was looking for that as like, hey, get your PT gear on.
Speaker A:We're going.
Speaker A:We're going to the gym and having, you know, some command sergeant major fit types that aren't going to be pushed around standing there with the clipboard and line them all up and test them right there.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and, and literally say, hey, you know, I got it.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:When you fail a PT test.
Speaker A:Typically in the military, it's all right, we're going to give you a counseling statement.
Speaker A:So we build the paper, paper record.
Speaker A:You failed.
Speaker A:This is, you didn't meet the standard, you're going to test again in 30 days or you're going to test again in 60 days.
Speaker A:And we need to see.
Speaker A:So, you know, that, that kind of, you know, he talked very much about holding the standard.
Speaker A:It's, it's, it's very hard practically.
Speaker A:And that's where I'm going is thinking through is how does that practically get worked out?
Speaker A:And, and then there's a dozen.
Speaker A:My, my comment was, you know, you're, I think that these generals will say, you know, well I'm, I'm old and I've been to war and I've, I've jumped, you know, so many times and whatnot.
Speaker A:And so I was saying, you know, it's likely not your combat injuries that are preventing you from passing a PT test.
Speaker A:It is likely laziness and inability to take care of yourself.
Speaker A:Before I got out, I had noticed that, you know, I had a lot more aches and pains and I wasn't sleeping very well and things like that.
Speaker A:And I had to actually go through, I've talked about that before.
Speaker A:I've had to go through a process of realizing like actually my behaviors.
Speaker A:I'm drinking more than I probably should be.
Speaker A:It's inhibiting my sleep.
Speaker A:I'm not really getting good rest, my diet is kind of on the go.
Speaker A:I'm doing a lot more office work, I'm not working out as much and just kind of those basic skills and those basic habits that equal health that you have to work at.
Speaker A:And, and so I really appreciated him saying if the, you know, the Secretary of War can get a hard workout in every day, so can you.
Speaker A:And, and that, I think that that's the thing.
Speaker A:And then you have, they have staff, they have aids, they have their aids, have aids, you know, so it's like get, get, have somebody help you with meal prep and get a workout in and, and you know, even just what we, we've talked about rucking and things like that where you can have weight, you can start doing your, your, your staff briefs on the move and let's, let's create that culture.
Speaker A:So I think it's epic to say working out every day.
Speaker A:Height and weight standards.
Speaker A:Also the, the standard for all combat arms being the male standard and age adjusted too.
Speaker A:So that being, you know, the, the 20, the 18 or 17 to 21 year old age group is the most difficult PT standard.
Speaker A:And then it has a graduated thing.
Speaker A:So to say, hey, you're gonna, you're gonna have a, I think that what's what it means is that you're gonna have to, to, to do that.
Speaker A:You know, you don't get to say I'm 40, so I get a, a buy.
Speaker A:You have to still maintain that elite highest level PT stuff.
Speaker A:And, and so I think that that will be really good for, for the force.
Speaker A:It's just, it's, it's, there's just too many excuses and, and, and we need them, we need the excuses gone.
Speaker A:And I think he said, you know, if, if you don't like it, find a new position or move on.
Speaker A:So we'll see.
Speaker A:I was in the middle of trying to this afternoon, trying to because you sent me those tweets of the people zooming in on the audience.
Speaker A:I think that there needs to be a, a lot more fat shaming of the generals in the audience.
Speaker A:I did notice the Marine Corps generals were kind of on the front row and that that was probably by design because one of my friends at some Marine said all the Marine generals were probably like finally.
Speaker A:And I would agree that, that that officer corps is probably more fit than, than the other services as well.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But yeah, there's a lot of improvements on the horizon.
Speaker A:Hopefully they can, we can keep those, those types of Secretary of War in position.
Speaker A:And, and it's going to be a long, A lot, A lot of what I'm hearing is, and we saw this when Charlie Kirk was killed, the, the active duty military that were celebrating that on their social media and, and you know, if I, if I saw you know, three or four and it is not a general that's doing this.
Speaker A:This is going to be a captain or a sergeant first class or somebody that is, you know, but, but it is indicative of there being, you know, Marxist stuff ingrained in culture.
Speaker A:And I think that we're seeing that the byproduct of, of essentially forcing people to comply to illawful orders and those that would actually not comply being forced out.
Speaker A:And you know that that's going to have a generational effect on the troops and all the agencies.
Speaker A:You know, even, you know, we're seeing it.
Speaker A:Just because you put certain people at the top doesn't mean that culturally it just has to trickle down.
Speaker A:And it takes a while for that institutional memory.
Speaker A:And it's good because you don't want extreme swings.
Speaker A:That's why we have a civilian advisory side to the military.
Speaker A:All the services have that.
Speaker A:There's a civilian contractors and civilian positions that maintain some of the continuity.
Speaker A:But there, the downside of that is this institutional memory and this towards the Negative things as well.
Speaker A:It's harder to root that out.
Speaker A:So either way, I'm.
Speaker A:I got a big old bag of popcorn and I'm smiling today, and I'm excited to see how that trickles its way down.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was exciting to listen to because I think everyone who heard it has wanted whatever CEO or whatever leader of an organization or church that they're a part of to deliver the same message.
Speaker B:Like standards are now here.
Speaker B:And these are the standards.
Speaker B:These are, these are gender neutral, highest male standards.
Speaker B:And if women can't meet those standards, well, tough.
Speaker B:It's not that we don't want women here.
Speaker B:It's that we want the best war fighters.
Speaker B:And the desire that I felt everyone was expressing was like, wow, I wish someone would come do that at my workplace.
Speaker B:I wish someone would come do that at my church or my men's organization or whatever, to say we've lived in an era without standards or where the standards have been so low and a low standard brings down the high standard.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But if you raise the bar, some people are going to be cut out and feelings are going to be heard and you're going to be called all sorts of names.
Speaker B:But ultimately, if you have an organization that's as important as the one that needs to wage war against very serious, fit and trained global enemies like the Chinese army, you know, God forbid we ever actually go to war with China.
Speaker B:But they're not shy about showing how fit and ready not only their army, but their society is in many ways.
Speaker B:And so this is, I think it was meant to send a message not just around the world, but also to America.
Speaker B:Standards are here now and they've been gone for a while and, but, but get used to it.
Speaker B:And I found that to be very inspiring.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he also mentioned about, you know, the toxic.
Speaker A:Yeah, the, the toxic leadership.
Speaker A:And essentially what, what was considered toxic is considered woke now.
Speaker A:And you know, or, you know, or what the, the woke was saying, if you are, are advocating for a standard like this, then you're anti women.
Speaker A:You know, and he, he did a really good job of saying, you know, I'm not anti women.
Speaker A:We have great women serving.
Speaker A:You know, I, I think that from a position of, of a guy that's been in combat, a guy that, I mean, I, I wrote, I've written articles about having the best PT test in my platoon and Ranger battalion and having a guy that we had to drag out of on target and try to get evacuated for higher medical treatment and, and specifically kind of feeling like, oh, I'M one of the best guys here.
Speaker A:My platoon, there's two platoons out on this particular mission.
Speaker A:So, you know, it's like I'm, I'm doing pretty well and I, I'm good enough, you know, and maybe, you know, because I'm better than everybody else around me and then realizing I was not when I actually had to drag one of my mates out with full combat equipment and you know, there's a couple of us trying to get them out of the city, you realize the physical exertion and you know, and I was, at the time the PT test was push ups, sit ups and a two mile run.
Speaker A:And I was on the extended scale, so max score of 300 and I was routinely in the three twenties, three thirties.
Speaker A:So you, every rep you get over max is a point.
Speaker A:And then I think every six seconds under the 13 minute mark or whatever was a point.
Speaker A:And so I, I was running, you know, a minute faster than the max around that and then getting, you know, 10, 15 reps over in push ups and sit ups.
Speaker A:And so, you know, I'm getting this extended score and there's, you know, people that get close to 400, you know, on the test that are just crushing it.
Speaker A:So, you know, and that's the thing is I'm, I'm exceeding the max standard and I'm on the battlefield gassed in a combat situation.
Speaker A:And so, you know, for me, I, I intend to do a little bit of discussion about the.
Speaker A:Even if a woman can pass at 70% male aged up to 21, is, does that still, is that still something we should be doing?
Speaker A:And mostly because you and I know the spiritual side of this and what happens to male hierarchy in an all male unit when you drop one woman into that mix?
Speaker A:And it's dangerous, it's ingrained.
Speaker A:And I can say it's not you, it's me.
Speaker A:You know, like 30 dudes act like idiots when you drop one chicken, even when you're or you have to work extra hard in that climate to override it.
Speaker A:And because naturally you want to get the door, naturally you want to help them, naturally you don't want them to suffer.
Speaker A:It's ingrained in how we are supposed to be as mentally.
Speaker A:And so there's additional resources required when you do that.
Speaker A:And if we really are saying we want to win the war, we really, really are saying it's about beating the enemy.
Speaker A:I don't think that you can say women should be there fighting the enemy because it fundamentally compromises the complex algorithm that is an all male unit that is functioning and having to, you know, I think it's Anthony Esalen that talks about, you know, when you have a football lineup and the ability to take, take a hit and to, you know, be the leader of a particular play or, or be sacrificial in a certain thing and even that much more on the front lines of combat is required.
Speaker A:And it's just, you know, I can understand, you know, we had a cultural, there's a cultural thing that happens in Arab countries with the, you know, men and women that is, you know, is not really good how, you know, and anybody that is trying to, you know, is this one of the factors of these, you know, woke trans people demonstrating for Palestine, you know, that, that they would not be getting treated that way if they were in, you know, Saudi Arabia or Iran or any of these Islamic states.
Speaker A:But so I can see, you know, using women in a, in a very shrewd way to engage with women in that, in those cultures potentially.
Speaker A:So those are the ways I've seen it done well.
Speaker A:But it's still really hard to do that when you're operating at a forward, forward operating base and you're sleeping next to the Blackhawk and you're, you know, moving around and it's just, it's, it's, it's tricky.
Speaker A:And so I think, you know, I, at least, far, far, far fewer numbers than, than now and, and I, I don't think just passing a 70% male up to 21 age standard is good enough.
Speaker A:But we, but at the same time the, the, the Secretary of War is over the army as it is now and reform is not going to be overnight.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and you, you have, he has the, the force that he has now.
Speaker A:And so I think he's, he's doing a really good thing.
Speaker A:I mean it's, it's, it's probably significantly abrasive to roll back the standard to all combat arms, gender neutralized, you know, age adjusted kind of thing.
Speaker A:I think that that's, that's a huge step in the right direction.
Speaker A:So I'm not going to be writing these and, and I'm not.
Speaker A:The world is flat.
Speaker A:How come we can't, you know, go back to everybody being crusaders with on horses and you know, all the women with their wash buckets or whatever.
Speaker A:Like it's, I'm not, not saying that, but I, I am still kind of crying out for that a little bit more with, based on personal experience.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:I mean I think the idea that, oh, I'm Going to get in trouble for saying this, but I'm just going to say it.
Speaker A:Well, you're going to get in trouble online.
Speaker A:No, I know, I know.
Speaker B:I'm just going to say it if.
Speaker B:Okay, don't do this.
Speaker B:Okay, don't do this.
Speaker B:But I would like an answer to this.
Speaker B:Not from you, necessarily, but if a woman can serve in combat next to a man, shoulder to shoulder, frontline combat, Right, Meaning on.
Speaker B:On our side and presumably on the other side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So if women should serve in our military, presumably they should serve in militaries around the world, Right.
Speaker B:There's no, there's no fundamental difference between, you know, the American military and whatever generic bad guy.
Speaker B:A military.
Speaker B:There's women on both sides.
Speaker B:So I'm serving side by side and I'm supposed to shoot a woman from across the battlefield, right.
Speaker B:I'm supposed to just kill them like I would kill a man.
Speaker B:If she comes running at me with a bayonet or whatever, I should subdue, kill, destroy.
Speaker B:She's the enemy, right?
Speaker B:And I should treat her no different from any man.
Speaker B:Okay, great, fine.
Speaker B:But like, so if that's the case, then why is domestic violence wrong?
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:And that's because that's the thing.
Speaker B:That's what the feminists say.
Speaker B:They have used domestic violence.
Speaker B:Obviously, domestic violence is terrible, and I'm not suggesting otherwise.
Speaker B:But if the idea is supposed to be men and women are equal and identical and that men and women should be in combat side by side and they should be fighting next to each other, feminists have also used domestic violence as the greatest sin that men have ever committed.
Speaker B:But if men and women are equal and the same and identical, why is that so bad?
Speaker B:Now, obviously, morally we feel within ourselves that, yeah, this is terrible and it shouldn't be done because our heart is revolted at the notion of a man using his superior physical strength, testosterone, to harm a woman in that way.
Speaker B:But you can't have it as one standard on the battlefield and another standard anywhere else.
Speaker B:What's the reason for that to be different?
Speaker B:Now, obviously, we all know that it's wrong, but this is just another double standard that lives at the heart of these claims.
Speaker B:I don't think men should be harming women on the battlefield or off the battlefield.
Speaker B:To be very clear.
Speaker B:I think everyone knows that.
Speaker B:But these sort of double standards, once you actually put a pin on it, I think it's like, well, we just want this because we want to destroy everything that is, no matter how.
Speaker B:And that's been my question about these Push for, for standards.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think maybe even just a slightly cleaner version of that is, you know, when you don't, you don't have the same.
Speaker A:At least I don't have the same enjoyment of watching the UFC highlight reels of women punch each other in the face.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker B:Same.
Speaker A:And, and I would say probably there's, I may be, you know, we may be in the minority.
Speaker A:Obviously, it's selling and people are talking about it and there's, you know, some weird stuff about that.
Speaker A:But definitely if you put a.
Speaker A:There's not women going into the octagon with men ever.
Speaker A:And why not?
Speaker A:Combat.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:And so it would not even be a challenge.
Speaker A:And so I guess those would be the things.
Speaker A:And we, and you don't have, you know, I guess the, this is the other thing is you don't have a minimum standard for the NFL.
Speaker A:You know, you have the best play.
Speaker A:And, and there's a reason why you don't have any women in the NFL.
Speaker A:And so my.
Speaker B:They are trying.
Speaker B:They are trying.
Speaker A:And when they do it, you know, I mean, even just in the, at the college, the NCAA level, there's just humorous videos of those kinds of things.
Speaker A:And then the, you know, the illustration of the under 16 soccer teams whooping the World cup team, you know, like these Venus Williams realities, they, they, they, they are in all the elite level sports and combat sports and whatever.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And then you see the outrage when a, or you should see more, but you see the, the cultural outrage when a dude goes in boxes in the Olympics as a, you know, in the, as a female or things like that.
Speaker A:And so we know, like, we know the truth and, and, and those that aren't are not being intellectually honest.
Speaker A:And yet they're trying to say they have the moral high ground and they're trying to, I mean, you, you've done, you just did that one video about, you know, the shaming that they try to do that's just total, totally false.
Speaker A:And, and I think that that's one of those things that there's.
Speaker A:There, we're in an era now where you can just slough off the shame that they're trying to throw at you and just be like, are you kidding me?
Speaker A:Like, look at what you have birthed in our society.
Speaker A:We're done with this.
Speaker A:Like, I, I can actually legitimately shame the results of your worldview and, and in.
Speaker A:And who's actually suffering the most?
Speaker A:Ukrainian refugees on the train.
Speaker A:They're suffering the most because of your ideology and and so when you say, I, I hate women and I'm, I'm a, I'm a misogynist, I'm a sexist or whatever.
Speaker A:No, I, that Ukrainian woman would be alive if I would have, was on that train before God, you know, and there were male sex, people of the male sex on that train that, you know, so we, you know, there are, there can be women of both sexes in our society.
Speaker A:And that, you know, is, is, you know, the other downstream effect of, of women being in charge and running education and, and men cowering to that.
Speaker A:And I know you, you, you deal a lot of blows to that, that ideology as well.
Speaker A:And I guess it's safe to say that stuff is going away, at least the institution that fights our wars.
Speaker A:And that's really good news.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker B:Let's take your worldview and let's run out the consequences all the way.
Speaker B:Let's turn it up to 11.
Speaker B:And if you turn the consequences up to 11, this is the logical consequence.
Speaker B:This isn't speculation.
Speaker B:This isn't like we're going to come up with some fantastic worst case possible scenario.
Speaker B:It's just the logical set of conclusions.
Speaker B:Just like the logical conclusion of feminism really is transgenderism.
Speaker B:If men and women are the same and equal, and like our bodies are what's holding us back, why should you allow your body to hold you back?
Speaker B:You can just be whatever you can.
Speaker B:Men and women are interchangeable.
Speaker B:That's the logical conclusion.
Speaker B:And you can see that now, just like you can see the logical conclusion of a lot of LGB stuff is the T stuff and is the plus stuff, you know, and now there are papers coming out about this.
Speaker B:So these are the logical conclusions of worldviews.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which for some reason is inappropriate to talk about, but I think it's absolutely appropriate to talk about.
Speaker B:And it's absolutely appropriate to say, okay, we've had enough of that.
Speaker B:We've seen the consequences of that.
Speaker B:They've been really bad on all levels, from the level of the individual carving up their own body, the level of American society as a whole, being essentially effectively borderless and losing, losing respect.
Speaker B:And actually, I'm sure that there are, there are various world nations that are attempting to provoke the United States or, or poke through our defenses just to see where we truly are weak.
Speaker B:It's like, no, no, we're going to shake all that off, and now we're going to go back to being something that might be politically, socially, culturally unpopular.
Speaker B:But you know what we're going to do?
Speaker B:This anyway and we can slough off the shame in doing that and have a bounded, lawful and orderly society.
Speaker B:And yeah, that'll be really uncomfortable for a minute and any organization that takes that on, including the Department of War.
Speaker B:But after we get through that period of transition, I think it will feel much better.
Speaker B:Just like when we as mental have a period of being undisciplined.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's a period of time where we establish discipline and it sucks.
Speaker B:But then we get into a rhythm and it tends to get much easier.
Speaker B:A nation is no different.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And in, you know, I, we've said that the, it's, it's particularly sad day when the, the government agency that is most tied to the physical realities of this world starts to go woke.
Speaker A: was, it was in full swing in: Speaker A:And so having this, this stark of a course correction is, is super exciting and hopefully that, you know, we do our part in as men leading our families and you know, men in the church.
Speaker A:You know, I think that, you know, if you have a Christian secretary of war proclaiming this kind of stuff, like, I think it's a very good time to take up the banner in the institution you're in charge of and to use that point that.
Speaker A:To that as.
Speaker A:Because the military is often, you know, consulted for its leadership and consulted for its, its techniques and its systems and its, its hierarchy and its implementation and planning and all these things.
Speaker A:So I think it's a good time to say, you know, we, we should be rolling out the leadership lessons like crazy as we watch this.
Speaker A:And you know, a lot of people I think were very anti Hagseth because, you know, he was not a former general officer, he was a lower ranking officer.
Speaker A:And you know, he's proving to at least be able to send the fire.
Speaker A:And then, you know, from everything that I can tell behind the scenes, he's setting those things up to happen.
Speaker A:So I want to see men.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:I think I'm going to be using the, using that.
Speaker A:I copied the transcript of the speech and I'm, I'm working through it and I'm going to be using that as vignettes for probably at least a week or two.
Speaker A:Calling men and church leaders and local governments and things like that to follow his example, where they are right now.
Speaker B:Say more about calling church leaders to follow that example because I think, you know, you and I are both part of a conversation that this needs to be in the church.
Speaker B:Pete Hegseth is a faithful Believer Reformed CREC denomination attends the DC Moscow church plant.
Speaker B:And so bringing this not just into the Department of War, but also into American culture more broadly, but also into the church.
Speaker B:I think that's a very important step, but also to do it in the right way.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think first and foremost, as young men looking at the problem, we have to, I think it's healthy to think about what the generation before us did well and, and, and, and focus on a lot of that before we're critical and then obviously focusing on our own sin.
Speaker A:The Bible talks about that removing the log from your eye before.
Speaker A:So I, I think that there's a tendency for us as younger men to, to minimize the size of the log because we're.
Speaker A:And, and I honestly think that, you know, the, the, the thought experiment that asks the listener to do is think back to what you thought, how you thought about the world.
Speaker A:I'm 42, so if I think back of how I thought about the world at 32, I honestly think that that guy was a fool, you know, Nate at 32.
Speaker A:But, but it, I was where I was and I was growing in sanctification.
Speaker A:You know, my pastor always beats that, that we are being saved.
Speaker A:It's the not, you know, once, always.
Speaker A:I said a prayer when I was 14 and I've been spiritually stagnant.
Speaker A:No, we should all be on this trajectory.
Speaker A:So if you can be humble and honest as you look back at your own sanctification, there is no reason to believe that sanctification doesn't continue and that wisdom doesn't continue, at least at that same rate.
Speaker A:And if you look back and you're not seeing a lot of difference, you know, I would question about who you're hanging out with, what your actual spiritual disciplines are and whether or not you're around people that can challenge you and call you up to a higher standard.
Speaker A:And you know, first and foremost, you don't need to have, you know, a church that does riverboat gambling, getaway trips every, every weekend and, and smoke cigars and like, it's just hyper masculine.
Speaker A:Even though my church is, is very much just full of hyper masculine men, godly, submissive, quiet, peaceful women, lots of children.
Speaker A:And I can look at that and I can be incredibly excited about that.
Speaker A:But there is a tremendous capacity to lead yourself with the word of God, with prayer, with working out and all those kinds of things.
Speaker A:But I would say that, you know, as I can still consider myself young man, a young man, but I am, and I'm a deacon, but I am Potentially in the, the track to be an elder at some point pretty soon, if you look at the, the ages of the people in leadership now, and we're bringing in younger deacons and we're training them.
Speaker A:And what actually happened at our church was we brought in, I think we brought in a class of 11 deacons.
Speaker A:There was like four of us or 10.
Speaker A:And so they, they interviewed.
Speaker A:And I don't necessarily think that they maybe thought all of them were going to get approval.
Speaker A:So just like, let's, let's, let's do a big class.
Speaker A:Let's go through deacon training.
Speaker A:And then the elders were sitting with the men.
Speaker A:And I, my pastor and I think one of the elders even told me they're like, these guys are awesome.
Speaker A:You know, and they're, and they're 30, 31, 32, you know, like coincidentally that age group that they're crushing it, you know, and, and the elders sitting with them and interviewing them and training them and getting them ready to, to take this office of deacon, and they were just basically incredibly surprised or, or were just pleasantly surprised of how wise these guys were, you know, and, and, and I kind of was like, yeah, you know, they're ready.
Speaker A:And so I guess that would be the thing that the conversations.
Speaker A:I, I, I sat down with Virgil Hurt, who is in our presbytery and sponsored our church coming into the CREC and was just talking about how we, and he's like, we gotta, we gotta give these young guys chance.
Speaker A:We gotta.
Speaker A:And he's specifically involved in the, the press, the seminary to train new pastors.
Speaker A:And so particularly that's his passion is identifying younger guys start training them and building them up and making them ready to be pastors.
Speaker A:But then, you know, we had a conversation about giving guys a chance and realizing that, that, that you, you, you don't really even hegseth.
Speaker A:That's probably a good thing to talk about.
Speaker A:He talked about making mistakes, but in earnest after the right things, you know.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of these young guys get smacked around or get relegated to like, you're immature.
Speaker A:You don't know because, because we're not 65.
Speaker A:You know, we're not 70.
Speaker A:We have, we haven't been through to, to use that the metaphor of, of war.
Speaker A:We haven't been through the church splits.
Speaker A:We haven't been through count marriage counseling and, and you know, these divorces that tragically happen or these people leaving the church or slanderous actions happening at these different, you know, and there's a lot of institutional understanding and knowledge that these older guys have.
Speaker A:But I think, you know, I think that is what I want to see as we, you know, have this example in Charlie Kirk being, you know, in his early 30s, early, early 30s and boldly proclaiming that.
Speaker A:And I think that that would be, I guess the thing that I would want maybe if it's an older church leader to, that's maybe listening to say where are the 30 year olds or even just the 26 year olds, the 25 year olds in your church that you can give responsibility to, meaningful responsibility that they may actually screw up.
Speaker A:My joke is like, you know, we're going to give you some responsibility.
Speaker A:We want you to set up for this month's fellowship meal which is making sure that there's enough chairs and salt shakers on the table, you know, which like as a 26 year old man that is, you know, and I have immediately I'm like, well I'm show up with my five children and we're gonna have them put out salt shakers because like that's actually, that's the level that fellowship meal set up could be, should be delegated down to.
Speaker A:And even we had our fellowship meals last Sunday.
Speaker A:There's like tables everywhere and we're like, we're.
Speaker A:The deacons got out of their meeting and I was like we don't clean these tables up, our teenagers are going to clean these tables up.
Speaker A:And I think that, that, that can be the tendency for an older.
Speaker A:And I saw this in the military.
Speaker A:We're going to give you this just detail to build you up and give you this.
Speaker A:And you're just like are you kidding me?
Speaker A:I'm going to go pick up brass on the range with like a couple privates.
Speaker A:Like this is this responsibility that's grooming me for more like and I think the same kind of things are happening in the church where young men are like this is not responsibility, this is not training me.
Speaker A:This is, this is busy work that a, a couple 13 year old boys can do.
Speaker A:And I'm 27 and I have five kids or whatever like this.
Speaker A:Like, and, and I think the examples would be, I mean I've, I've seen Michael Foster execute this in, in, in empowering a deacon to run his entire conference, you know, and, and set up stuff like that and, and like that's a big, like to run the whole conference, the branding, the ticketing, the, the all the setup.
Speaker A:So there is salt, salt shakers and table setup involved.
Speaker A:But, but you're actually having so many tasks now that you're having to tap into unique skill sets and manpower and delegate that down and communicate effectively.
Speaker A:And these are things I learned in small business that I, you know, more, maybe even in the military is, is how to try to effectively communicate that standard.
Speaker A:And so I guess that's what I want to see in the church to.
Speaker A:And, and specifically he talked about empowering leaders to be able to make mistakes and then that not to be damning of their entire career.
Speaker A:There was this particular moment he said that we're not going to keep these, these derogatory things in their file forever that are going to prevent them from advancing.
Speaker A:And essentially that, that is scaring people from taking risk and trying to help out.
Speaker A:And because they don't want to get this reprimand, that that's going to flag them, they're not going to get promoted.
Speaker A:They're going to get kicked out of the military early.
Speaker A:So, you know, those kind of things are in the church too.
Speaker A:It's like, hey, like this guy might actually screw it up.
Speaker A:He might say something online that is a little bit difficult.
Speaker A:And you know, I had the discussion with Yuri on my podcast recently, just saying, you know, get, encourage them to action and, and don't micromanage it and then say, hey, let's, let's sit down in six months and let's talk about the trend.
Speaker A:Let's talk about the, the, the, the, you know, kind of major lessons learned.
Speaker A:We talk about the, the military.
Speaker A:We call that an after action review.
Speaker A:You know, it's, it's, it's setting aside time after you've done an omission or a training exercise or whatever to just kind of review what happened and, and specifically what didn't go well and how you can improve those things.
Speaker A:And I just think we need that.
Speaker A:We need young men to be put.
Speaker A:But, but at the same time, we, as young men, we cannot be saying, you know, out of the way, boomer, you know, with disrespect.
Speaker A:I think there can be some healthy banter between the old guys and the young guys.
Speaker A:And, and there is in our church.
Speaker A:It's, it's just beautiful.
Speaker A:It's awesome.
Speaker A:And, and I've been around our elders and I'm making fun of them.
Speaker A:And hey, we want you to come to the cigar circle with us.
Speaker A:We need, we need some wisdom down there.
Speaker A:If you're not hanging out smoking cigars with us, we're going to go off the deep end.
Speaker A:And you don't want that, do you?
Speaker A:You know, so acknowledging that there's some real wisdom that we need and then that the way that they're making decisions isn't necessarily because they're clueless and lazy and, and are scared of, of feminism, you know, or whatever.
Speaker A:Like, it's, there's actually some institutional long experience and wisdom there.
Speaker A:But at the same time, I think that you got to let us go.
Speaker A:You got to let us go take the city.
Speaker A:You got to let us take, take Christ into the dark places.
Speaker A:And you got to empower that and encourage us.
Speaker A:And you know, that's, it's, it's, it's helpful to have an older man say good job, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and you know, my pastor, I, I just, I, I'm in charge of security at our church and I gave a speech and, and was kind of addressing.
Speaker A:It was actually the Sunday prior to Charlie Kirk happening.
Speaker A:I, we had rolled out some security protocols and so I just, I went up front and, and I, and I kind of delivered a pretty scathing kind of thing about guarding the church and guarding your family and roles, and we take it seriously and, and, and who's involved in that.
Speaker A:And, and you know, Pastor Cam said, good job, you know, and, and that means a lot to me to hear my pastor say that.
Speaker A:And I, I put a lot into, I mean, I actually like, had some bullet points.
Speaker A:I ran it by my wife.
Speaker A:She helped me make it not as inflammatory and gave me some wisdom, you know, and just putting the work in to, just to go and make a talk like that, realizing the second and third order effects of it and, and getting counsel and then having somebody say, and then even just having actually surprised a lot of, of women came up and said thank you.
Speaker A:And my wife said, yeah, there's, there's a.
Speaker A:Unspoken fear and anxiety in the church when these things are happening.
Speaker A:And you, you, you became the face of that and spoke words of strength to that.
Speaker A:And I think that I, you know, I, I don't know how that is on churches, but I, I am having a lot of conversation with church leaders about the security side of things.
Speaker A:And, and one of the things that I just learned, not mastermind thinking through, but just when you're giving guidance and letting those in your protection and care know that you take it seriously, there's relief from that.
Speaker A:Oh, thank goodness.
Speaker A:You know, Nate's taking care of this.
Speaker A:Thank goodness other men in our church are thinking about this goodness.
Speaker A:They're training.
Speaker A:Thank goodness that they're doing these security protocols with our building.
Speaker A:And, and you know, those are the things that younger men can do.
Speaker A:You know, this Is not the thing maybe that the 21 year old with one kid is doing, but this is something definitely that the 28 year old with three or four kids and married or whatever like is.
Speaker A:Is ready to do.
Speaker A:And you, you have to enlist his help, you have to give him training, you have to give him responsibility.
Speaker A:And we're, and that's with this new d. The new diaconaten that we have.
Speaker A:We have all these guys and we're just, we are just making a tremendous amount of progress on dozens of fronts because there's guys like, I'm primary on that.
Speaker A:All right, who's alternate?
Speaker A:All right, give us a report next time.
Speaker A:And they're just going off and executing at that level.
Speaker A:And one of the things I kind of pushed was like, hey, we need to be able to spend money without having to do a everybody vote.
Speaker A:You know, and so like, let's, let's, let's figure out what the cap is.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:If it goes over this, then two people vote.
Speaker A:If it goes over this, it's everybody.
Speaker A:And then it goes to the session.
Speaker A:And we're not actually asking the session is this okay?
Speaker A:We're drafting the policy, presenting it to them, and then saying, if you don't like it, feel free to shoot holes in it.
Speaker A:But this is how we're, we're executing.
Speaker A:And that's, you know, in a little bit in the forgiveness versus permission.
Speaker A:But also still, we're gonna take bold action in a specific direction and we're, we're well willing to hear it.
Speaker A:And I guess that's the other thing I had to learn is, is I think a lot of guys are looking for that older guy to say, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker A:You should try that.
Speaker A:You know, and, and he's maybe not saying, gonna say that.
Speaker A:Like, you're, maybe like, literally, you're.
Speaker A:It would be nice.
Speaker A:It'd be nice if, if an older dude took five or six of y' all the coffee.
Speaker A:What is.
Speaker A:What are you working on?
Speaker A:What are you passionate?
Speaker A:Who are you ministering to?
Speaker A:How's things with your wife?
Speaker A:All those things.
Speaker A:But even then, say, like, if you're getting bold preaching and you're not necessarily getting the discipleship, what do you suppose, what do you.
Speaker A:What do you think you should be doing?
Speaker A:And then start doing it, you know, I mean, I launched my podcast.
Speaker A:I try to get my elders to listen to it regularly.
Speaker A:Most of them are like, what's a podcast?
Speaker A:You know, because they're in their 70s and, and it's, it's funny, but even realizing like, hey, you know, like, I might not be getting a weekly debrief from my session about it, but I'm asking them, I'm willing to hear it.
Speaker A:I want to submit my online presence to their guidance and wisdom and, and, and even going and asking them to do that initially I knew I needed to because when it was first recommended to me, I was like, no, no, I don't want them to, I don't want.
Speaker A:It was like, okay, no, that actually probably means I should submit to that and ask for it.
Speaker A:And, and, and if it's particularly spicy, I'll bring it in and be like, what'd you think?
Speaker A:You know, and, and, and, and, and that kind of ebb and flow and that tug of war and those mistakes and confessing our sins to each other.
Speaker A:The church is going to advance and, and we're going to make a lot of progress.
Speaker B:You said, right there at the end, you said the really important word, which is submit.
Speaker B:And I think that it's very popular in the Christian, reformed or even right wing political dialogue now to be saying that women should submit.
Speaker B:But it is much less popular to say that men should also be in submission to their body of elders, to wise leaders, to men of another generation who have acquired a lifetime worth of experience.
Speaker B:And submission is uncomfortable.
Speaker B:It's really uncomfortable now.
Speaker B:No human authority is absolute and you shouldn't submit in sin.
Speaker B:We're commanded not to do that.
Speaker B:But otherwise, if your husband or if your pastor isn't in sin, isn't in doctrinal error, that's part of the Christian life.
Speaker B:And so what you've articulated is you have your pastors, you have your elders, you have the deacons, you have the older fathers, and then you have the young men.
Speaker B:And you have that entire chain of command.
Speaker B:And when that functions together well as a hierarchy, everyone is getting what they need.
Speaker B:The men downline are giving respect to their seniors upline, and the men up the seniors upline are giving opportunities and approval and guidance and wisdom to the men downline.
Speaker B:And that may mean if you're downlined, you don't get the green light to do everything that you want to do, but it's incumbent upon the older men to give it.
Speaker B:But for the same reason, you as a young man, not you, you like the royal, you have to accept that maybe you're not going to get the opportunity, but submission and respect and weight, you will get the opportunity.
Speaker B:You will get that opportunity in a healthy, functioning environment.
Speaker B:Obviously, leaders can be cowards.
Speaker B:Obviously Leaders can be hesitant to make any changes that might disrupt their comfort later in life.
Speaker B:That's a common thing.
Speaker B:But in a healthy, functioning environment, you know, everyone has to recognize.
Speaker B:Every man has to recognize the needs and responsibilities of everyone else around them, and then it works.
Speaker B:And what you're describing to me sounds like something that works imperfectly.
Speaker B:Of course every organization is going to work imperfectly, but when it works well, it creates a feeling of the Christian life that I don't think can be replicated as some guy just out on his own, you know, listening to podcasts or whatever.
Speaker B:Nothing wrong with podcasts.
Speaker B:But as a man, you're called to be part of an organization, a church organization that's larger than you, that you have to then submit to.
Speaker B:And, yeah, it's uncomfortable, but that's part of being a man.
Speaker B:Like, men do hard things, including submit to their elders and to their.
Speaker B:And to their righteous authorities.
Speaker B:We don't see a lot of that being talked about today.
Speaker A:Yeah, and ultimately, you know, a wife is going to be better at submission when she sees you submitting, you know, and.
Speaker A:And it's more than just, I'm going to submit to Christ, which for sure you need to do, but that's kind of a nebulous thing in the sense that what does that mean for me today?
Speaker A:And what does that mean specifically with this issue with this particular kid?
Speaker A:And, and what really has to happen is, is we have to bump up against each other and we have to sin against each other.
Speaker A:It's going to happen.
Speaker A:It shouldn't, but we should.
Speaker A:When we sin and we confess and we go up, or when, you know, we.
Speaker A:What will routinely happen is one of our kids will sin against another kid.
Speaker A:And the dad, you know, we had actually had a dad.
Speaker A:You know, he talked to my kid pretty abruptly and roughly, and I'm standing right there, and for a second I was kind of like, you know, no, I'm actually okay with.
Speaker A:He was acting kind of full.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:My back was to it.
Speaker A:I didn't see it.
Speaker A:And he was just.
Speaker A:It wasn't like, hey, Nate, you know, can you maybe talk?
Speaker A:He just like, you know, called the kid's name.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And, And I was kind of like, well, you know, a little bit rough, but, like, my, My son was.
Speaker A:Was being this way, and.
Speaker A:But then he was like, hey, I gotta apologize to your son.
Speaker A:I kind of was a little bit.
Speaker A:A little bit sharp, you know, and, and, and I.
Speaker A:For me, I don't.
Speaker A:I wasn't outside the threshold that I needed to be like, dude, don't talk to my son that way, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:I could, you know, like, it's an opportunity for me to be like, no, like my son was in the wrong.
Speaker A:We're in a body of believers.
Speaker A:He saw it happen and he addressed it quickly.
Speaker A:It's not something I needed to talk to him about.
Speaker A:But then he was even like, I need to apologize, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and then so he, he apologized.
Speaker A:So that, that other side of it is my sons seeing men confess up the chain and down the chain, you know, in this sense that's submitting to even somebody lower in the hierarchy in a sense to say that I'm submitting to God's law, that's bigger than me, I violated that.
Speaker A:And just because position, my position is over you, hierarchy wise.
Speaker A:And I'm going to show submission to God's law by confessing my sin to you.
Speaker A:And it doesn't make me a weaker leader, it actually makes me a stronger leader and it shows that I'm in submission to God's word and it's a demon.
Speaker A:And by my kids being in a church with men like that, they are getting the gospel reinforced by others.
Speaker A:It's not just, oh, dad's faith and mom's faith and what do they know?
Speaker A:But they're seeing the whole church and they're seeing families walk that out.
Speaker A:And, and, and then another side of is just learning to like let people wrong you and you don't have to go and confront them about everything.
Speaker A:Like there's an opportunity to cover in love and keep moving, you know, and, and, and, and I, I've talked with people about this, my pastor even specifically.
Speaker A:It's like we are so comfortable in church together.
Speaker A:We're not having to pretend we're not, you know, those of us that are, I think, really getting the full experience, we're not having, like we're acknowledging who we are in Christ.
Speaker A:We're acknowledging and then we're looking at each other hopefully more and more every day.
Speaker A:Like Christ looks at us, is sinless because of Christ's blood.
Speaker A:And that opportunity to walk that out really tangibly in the day to day and not let bitterness build up and have discussions about it.
Speaker A:And when there needs to be stuff confronting, we can.
Speaker A:But by and large there's not a lot of that happening.
Speaker A:There's a lot of confessing happening and there's a lot of sanctification and taking our own sin.
Speaker A:When you're with a group of people that are all doing that and serious about that.
Speaker A:It works, it works well.
Speaker A:And, and I think that the tendency can be when people start to see your faults and, and be able to call you out about it, that you need to run, you know, and go find a new church and automatically find this some minor doctrinal point that you've.
Speaker A:That's actually really been a thing all along, just so happens to coincide with the fact that we just called you out about something sinful.
Speaker A:You just did.
Speaker A:But now this doctrine issue is super big and I got to go to the next church down the road.
Speaker A:You know, that's the tendency.
Speaker A:And I see a lot of, I've seen a lot of people do that in our church.
Speaker A:And, and honestly, you know, I, I see little blips and little screenshots into their life on social media or you're about the marriage that is no longer a thing or whatever.
Speaker A:And it's, it's tragic.
Speaker A:And, and that's the conversations that I try to do with the ones that I have, the equities.
Speaker A:It's like, hey, man, this is generationally significant decision you're making right now to remove your family from this fellowship and to go to somewhere that doesn't know you as well, because we love you still.
Speaker A:We know who you are, we know your faults, and we love you.
Speaker A:And, and, and you're gonna, and it's uncomfortable to have people know your faults and to know who you are and to, and to be able to see through the veneer, maybe that you're trying to throw up certain days or whatever, but I think it's also incredibly comfortable to have somebody come up and be like, you okay, dude, like, something seems, you know, and just be like, this week was hard, you know, and tell me about it, you know?
Speaker A:Okay, sweet.
Speaker A:Can I pray for you for real quick, Send a follow up text.
Speaker A:Hey, I'm, I'm just checking in.
Speaker A:How's it going?
Speaker A:And these kind of things happening organically among men, and it's really hard to have that happen if you're not there.
Speaker A:If you're showing up, you're running out the door as soon as the sermon's over.
Speaker A:You're not hanging out afterwards and letting your kids sin against each other.
Speaker A:You know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not good.
Speaker A:And, and I think that that's, you have to be comfortable enough in who you are and what decisions you've made that even when it's challenged, you're like, all right, let's do this.
Speaker A:You know, I want to I want to, we're about to go, you know, and, and you know, even just with the, the stuff on, on Twitter, like, I started challenging these different positions.
Speaker A:You can just kind of see the preciousness of these conclusions you come to and not wanting to actually logically work it out and to react a certain way.
Speaker A:And it's like, come on, dude.
Speaker A:Like, I actually agree with you on these things, but these are some things that I, you know, obviously not talking about.
Speaker A:I mean, it happens with the church too, unfortunately, on X, these kind of things are happening between pastors and, and things like that.
Speaker A:And you know, I, I, I have been told that and I view and I've talked to you about this is, is when I'm doing these interagency inner, you know, Matt, US Embassies and we got USAID and all these different political agencies and things trying to figure out how to work together and build coalitions and things like that.
Speaker A:You know, I want to see the church doing that.
Speaker A:I want to see, you know, families which are essentially like little combat units and squads, you know, becoming, you know, platoons of squads of squads and platoons of platoons and all coming and getting their marching orders from Christ and getting the marching orders from a guy that's breaking it down for what it looks like at their level and then executing at their level.
Speaker A:And, and I was thinking about before, as I was listening to Heg says thing, it's like, you know, I don't think there's a lot of Marine Corps general poking at army general over here and making fun of him and saying, like, because he's worried about his troops, he has his area of operation, he has this thing that he's in charge of and he's got to do adjacent unit coordinations.
Speaker A:You know, we're in overseas there's even for special operations, we're going to go into these areas that a regular army unit is kind of in control of.
Speaker A:So we're still going to coordinate.
Speaker A:Hey, we're doing a hit over here.
Speaker A:Are, do you have any guys in this area?
Speaker A:We don't want any friendly fire, like kind of those kind of things.
Speaker A:But you're not talking to somebody.
Speaker A:Like, when Iraq and Afghanistan are going simultaneously, you're not sharpshooting what is going on in Kabul.
Speaker A:When you're in Kirkuk in Iraq, like, because the war is raging hot in, in Kirkuk or in Mosul or these places that you're fighting and you have your troops and you're engaged, like, you, you probably don't even know what's going on in Baghdad because you're in the fight.
Speaker A:And I, I just don't, I don't think there, the, the spiritual battle has a different flavor to it for sure.
Speaker A:But I, I think I would really like to see commanders in their area of responsibility focusing on their area of responsibility more and less on somewhere that's not their area of responsibility.
Speaker A:Because in your ao, if you've set your troops up right and you're following the principles of war, you can't concentrate your troops effectively if you're also worried about this other city and this other church and how they're doing it, you know, and, and, and, and like 100.
Speaker A:I think, I mean, I want to see the woke pastors getting ridiculed as much as the next guy.
Speaker A:I want to see the church purified.
Speaker A:And that's, you know, particularly the, that proverb of people being led away by death and, and lies to the slaughter.
Speaker A:Like those pastors and, and woke preachers that are doing that kind of stuff are the, the, they need the millstone around their neck and you know, like, for sure.
Speaker A:But maybe that woke pastor in your city is the one you should be dealing with and you should be going in and confronting that face to face and trying to win people that are walking in the front door to that church, you know, and, and, and, and you don't need to post about it probably, like, you probably don't need to videotape it.
Speaker A:You probably.
Speaker A:But that's hard to do, you know, and in a sense it's not, it's not glorious, it's not.
Speaker A:The limelight isn't there, you know, and I want to use media as much as the next guy.
Speaker A:I want to leverage that power.
Speaker A:I want to embarrass and expose these lies.
Speaker A:But, you know, there are people in our city where we live that need the gospel that aren't getting it and we need them to get it.
Speaker A:And, and everything I worry about making fun of or fighting with a pastor in the next city is resources potentially that are, you know, there's definitely profits and people are supposed to do that.
Speaker A:But I, I, that's, I just finished reading Jim Wilson's Principles of War again immediately.
Speaker A:When Charlie Kirk got killed, I pulled it off the shelf and went to Pursuit.
Speaker A:And, and I, I am excited because Doug, Doug did a Pursuit article a couple days later and I had already sent the Pursuit chapter to everybody on our, Our Men's Chat because I was like, this is, I, I knew that that is, it's the time for Pursuit Militaristically, the Church militant needs to be ready to chase down.
Speaker A:And, and the way that Jim Wilson talks about it, that's the hard thing to do, because the enemy's kind of falling back to where their food and ammunition and supply depots are, and you're kind of having to go out and, and, and, and chase them down and leave the safety of where you are.
Speaker A:And he, and he talked about how there's very, there's been very few times where pursuit has been executed decisively.
Speaker A:And, and they've, in a sense, you don't necessarily just chase them down.
Speaker A:It requires you maneuvering faster and kind of getting behind them and flanking them and hitting them, you know, in, in a different way than just chasing them down.
Speaker A:But that, you know, I, so I read the pursuit chapter, and I started all the way back at the beginning, and I went through the whole thing, and I just think that he, he talks about that there are generals that don't understand principles, and there are privates that do.
Speaker A:And I, I think we have a lot of.
Speaker A:Of people that are generals in the church that don't understand principles of war.
Speaker A:And, and we have, and I think we legitimately have young men that understand that we should be pursuing right now.
Speaker A:We should be taking ground, we should be going after it.
Speaker A:And, and the people in charge don't understand that principle and are saying, no, we, you know, we paid our building off and nobody's really leaving.
Speaker A:We don't have any, really anybody wanting to get divorced.
Speaker A:And I think we're good, you know, and, and so I, that's, I think probably somewhere that older, younger generation is gonna say, hey, look, we got it.
Speaker A:You ran a great race.
Speaker A:You brought us right up to the edge of the promised land, and there's a lot of Philistines that need to be vanquished.
Speaker A:And I understand.
Speaker A:You're old.
Speaker A:You're not gonna do it.
Speaker A:Just give me that sword.
Speaker A:All right, I'm going to take it.
Speaker A:I'm going to, I'm going to go and handle this.
Speaker A:And you got any ideas and anything I should know before I go?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And them saying to us, go with God.
Speaker A:Go pursue and use the spiritual weapons that we have to free these captives.
Speaker A:And I want it to happen like I want it to happen now.
Speaker A:And, and I don't think it's going to be Candace.
Speaker A:Oh, it's that.
Speaker A:That's at the front of the charge.
Speaker A:She's no Joan of Arc at all.
Speaker A:And, and so I don't think we need Joan of Arc.
Speaker A:I. I think there's actually legitimate men that are ready to go and all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And all the.
Speaker A:All y' all out there that are thinking you're Joan of Arc or you're Dinah or you're Esther, just be quiet and let the men handle it.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:You're so loud, the men that are trying to do this can't handle it.
Speaker A:We're ready.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Just be quiet.
Speaker A:I don't want to have to.
Speaker A:I don't want to have to fight you on my way to slay these orcs in Mordor.
Speaker B:You know, it's really.
Speaker B:I'm glad that you mentioned that, because, you know, I was on a. I was on a podcast yesterday.
Speaker B:I think it was yesterday.
Speaker B:I was a guest, and the interview was about, you know, sort of this rebirth of masculinity sort of broadly.
Speaker B:And, you know, at the end, I wanted to tack on.
Speaker B:The podcast was ending, but I felt that I needed to tack on something to what I had said.
Speaker B:The interviewer was a woman, and I felt the need to tack on, to her, say, like, yeah, yes, Amen and hallelujah.
Speaker B:Men need to step up.
Speaker B:And there's no shortage of people who are saying that.
Speaker B:But what it also means is that women need to step back because men will not compete at full speed with women.
Speaker B:We just don't.
Speaker B:We just don't.
Speaker B:Because when you see a man compete at full speed with women, it's not even close.
Speaker B:And we talked about this earlier.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker B:Whether you want to watch the high school boys or the pre.
Speaker B:The middle school boys beating the US Women's soccer team, or you want to hear about.
Speaker B:I think it was Serena Williams who was like, yeah, if I had to compete in the men's tour, you know, I'd be ranked 100, 50th or something like that.
Speaker B:She got in a lot of trouble for saying that.
Speaker B:She got in a lot of trouble for saying that.
Speaker B:Or you can see the.
Speaker B:I think it's the Chilean men's SWAT team and the women's SWAT team doing some.
Speaker B:Doing some physical training activity.
Speaker B:That was a competition.
Speaker B:And just watching the women, it was just embarrassing.
Speaker B:So men don't compete at first.
Speaker A:I've clipped that.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's like, cue clown music.
Speaker A:And it's not your fault, you know?
Speaker A:No, no, it's not.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And the thing is, it's like, if I just.
Speaker A:Because I jump into the.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If they're in the octagon and I jump in and I decimate this woman.
Speaker A:Nobody's praising me for that.
Speaker A:No, I don't.
Speaker A:And that's the thing.
Speaker A:I want to have to fight you for this.
Speaker A:You know, you're, you're in the spot.
Speaker A:Like, I understand that the, the, the in, in ultimately I'm always, I'm, I'm, I'm all the time Googling, you know, first name, last name, women, influencer, husband.
Speaker A:And I'm never surprised, I'm never surprised at what that joker looks like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, honestly, I'm like, yeah, that, that makes sense.
Speaker A:You know, like he is.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and, and men, actually lazy men are okay with that.
Speaker A:Like, of course, go ahead and make some money for me so that I can game.
Speaker A:And, and you know, whatever you're doing, like this, there is this, this like sliver of, of stay at home husband.
Speaker A:I got a sweet gig.
Speaker A:You know, my wife, she's a doctor and she can make way more than me.
Speaker A:And I'm not, I understand how it happens in certain situations, of course, you know, like, I'm not on this podcast to smear those particular situations, but I, I, I want that.
Speaker A:There's, there are obviously exceptions, but the norm should be going out there and, and, and providing and, and getting after it and, and not being lazy.
Speaker A:But, but again, like I said, it's, it's, I don't want to have to duke it out with, you know, and, and it happens, you know, I don't want to compete with you.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, and my, my answer has been lately when, if a woman gets a little bit sassy in the comments, I just say, hey, ask your husband, you know, like, I'm sorry, like, I'm not, we're not gonna duke it out here, you know, and, and it's, it's just I, I'm not gonna have an emotional argument right now, like, right in the comments section.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker A:Like, I, I got, I got things to do.
Speaker A:And, and, and I think that's, you know, being more lethal in the war of ideas around social media.
Speaker A:And I, you know, it's, I can't.
Speaker A:A guy with, you know, almost 12, 000 Twitter followers is not going to be the guy that's like, this is, I figured social media out, but I do think that there is a lot of principles of war in media that need to be understood too.
Speaker A:And I know I'm reading Rules for Reformers again right now.
Speaker A:And I know, you know, way that Doug Talks about who should be doing satire and specifically calling those that do satire to be the most in submission, the most in fellowship with people.
Speaker A:Because the tendency can be to fly off and go off the deep end when you start engaging in some of these, these realms.
Speaker A:And so you need the community even more and you need the, all of it.
Speaker A:You know, so it's, we're gonna learn and we're gonna get better.
Speaker A:And I think that Yuri actually said on my podcast, he said he encourages everybody to be on social media except for the, the people that are particularly affected by emotionally by seeing what is out there.
Speaker A:Because he's like, there's actually a certain type that just, it just really messes them up to see what's happening and it makes them anxious.
Speaker A:And so there's a, there's a good sized population.
Speaker A:He's like, I think that's just, you're not able to handle what's there but for the mass majority of people, like.
Speaker A:And he said come up with a plan start.
Speaker A:And he's like, I don't want to moderate your, your tweets, like, but let's, you know, let's meet in six months after you start.
Speaker A:And he encourages like, hey, just get on and post Bible verses for the first 30 days.
Speaker A:You know, and, and you can get in a lot of trouble doing that.
Speaker A:You know, you pick the right Bible verses and you just, you don't qualify them at all.
Speaker A:Like just the word of God.
Speaker A:I think that if we had, you know, a hundred thousand Christians just posting, you know, baking sourdough and a line from Proverbs 31, you know, and just, just simple beautiful photography.
Speaker A:A little bit of, you know, learning how to use the camera, a little bit of editing maybe and then some scripture and just blue.
Speaker A:The, the like just like percentage wise more word of God just going out with some beauty attached to it that's unique to you.
Speaker A:That's, that's how we start.
Speaker A:And then you know, I think that that becomes a, a squad and a platoon and it's, and I know there are other religions doing this.
Speaker A:The Mormons crush this game.
Speaker A:They, they have this, they.
Speaker A:I, I don't know.
Speaker A:I haven't seen it for sure.
Speaker A: of followers takes a guy with: Speaker A:And, and we need to be doing that, but we're too busy fighting about baptism to do that.
Speaker A:You Know, like, we need to be encouraging each other, building each other up, having these discussions offline and uniting in coalition in the same direction.
Speaker A:Because I would hope that something like transgenderism or the assassination of Charlie Kirk or these, these major things could galvanize us into these coalitions that just, just lock shields together and just mow over the opposition spiritually and intellectually, and then, you know, just the capacity to generate like, they, like.
Speaker A:One of the reasons I think that the, that the left is so mad about Charlie Kirk is like, who doesn't look at that family photo and see the beauty of that family unit?
Speaker A:You know, like, like it's, it's the whole thing.
Speaker A:It's smiling husband, beautiful wife, you know, joyful children.
Speaker A:It's literally the nuclear family as God intended it, taking dominion for his glory.
Speaker A:And you, and you can't, you know, it's, you can't compete with the, the aesthetic of that.
Speaker A:The way that they're, I mean, look at their women.
Speaker A:They are, they are unhappy, ugly over trying to be men.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're, they're singing masculine tunes and the, they're, they're.
Speaker A:It's, it's, you know, it's, it's not right.
Speaker A:And, and we can, we can whoop their butts.
Speaker A:If we just got together, you know, formed a squad and figured out, you know, the.
Speaker A:Jim talks about the decisive point, you know, ground that we can gain that we can take decisively, that will actually move the needle.
Speaker A:Something that is, is it.
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker A:We can take it for sure.
Speaker A:It's ambitious.
Speaker A:It's going to require us to train, it's going to require us to plan, it's going to write us to have surprise and execute well.
Speaker A:But we do those sequentially and we, we combine those with other decisive points of other believers around the world and we just start strategically taking them down.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and there's people that do that in our circles really well.
Speaker A:And, and, and they still miss, they still mess stuff up.
Speaker A:They still step in, in, in.
Speaker A:They put their foot in their mouth and certain.
Speaker A:Because it, because they're, they're human beings, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And there's not grace there for that.
Speaker A:There's not, you know, it is there, it is there.
Speaker A:I'm not, I don't want to over generalize what's happening, but I, I say, I say all the time, you know, to people in person, I'm like, no wonder we're getting our butts kicked when I see certain stuff happen.
Speaker A:No wonder, you know, like, this is why we can't unite, we can't get, figure out the decisive point.
Speaker A:We're in.
Speaker A:In again, you, you have to have, as a soldier, you have to have mastered the basic individual soldier tasks.
Speaker A:And those individual tasks get combined in a fire team of three other guys.
Speaker A:And you got a saw gunner and you got a grenadier and you got a rifleman, you got a team leader who's got a Ranger tab and it's been in for two and a half years.
Speaker A:And he's the guy that's telling you flank right or flank left, you're all doing PT together and you're using all these skills together.
Speaker A:And, and you're in your engaging in warfare.
Speaker A:And so we need to be identifying what those things are.
Speaker A:And we are, I mean, it's happening.
Speaker A:Like these are the things that a man as, you know, or in our house as, as homeschooling, these are the things you need to be able to do before you leave our house, you know, and these are the things that you need to, the actual tasks you have to be capable of and competent in and, and the number one person that instruct you, that is your mother or this particular task, your father.
Speaker A:And you need to be listening when we're talking to you about this.
Speaker A:We don't care what you know, we're telling you what you don't know.
Speaker A:And this is going to prove and so and, and, and, and that is happening.
Speaker A:But I think that probably where it's not, it's breaking down as family to family and church to church and, and locally, you know, there's, there's opportunities with other churches, I think, to just really unite and, and take, take some ground.
Speaker A:Like, let's go.
Speaker B:You know, I appreciate that you mentioned the emotionalism.
Speaker B:And I want to make sure, I want to, I want to get to this.
Speaker B:I want to make sure that we have time to do it.
Speaker B:But I think one of the things that's dividing our particular camp so heavily right now is not necessarily emotional women, but emotional men who responded to the Charlie Kirk assassination not with humility, but rage, that they surrendered to their flesh, they surrendered to their anger, that which was barely covered to begin with.
Speaker B:And now it's just kind of, and now it's just kind of out there.
Speaker B:And that's men's emotions.
Speaker B:Like there's a time and place for anger.
Speaker B:There's a time and place for sadness and grief and even despair.
Speaker B:These are part of the natural human experience.
Speaker B:But we're called to overcome them in Christ.
Speaker B:Except for men don't seem to think that their anger is something that needs to be overcome, that needs to itself be put into submission.
Speaker B:And one of the things that I've seen around the assassination of Charlie Kirk is emotionalism that's expressing itself in the form of, well, there's something larger going on behind the scenes than what actually happened.
Speaker B:Like, it can't just be as simple as one, you know, transgender, ex Mormon, furry shooter on a rooftop.
Speaker B:It's gotta be some larger conspiracy.
Speaker B:Whether you involve Israel or whatever, is usually seems to be the place that it's going.
Speaker B:And that is a surrender to their own anger, trying to make.
Speaker B:Trying to validate in their own worldview the enemy that must be behind it all.
Speaker B:And I've done a lot of work on that enemy that's behind it all.
Speaker B:But particularly, we don't need to talk about that here.
Speaker B:But particularly talking about the scenario of the shooting itself.
Speaker B:And so you with your Special Forces experience, you with your ballistics experience, you on the battlefield, treating wounds, delivering them, you have a particular perspective into this event.
Speaker B:Now, I don't have a problem with people asking questions, of course, ask questions completely, fine.
Speaker B:But you have to be prepared to accept the answers.
Speaker B:And I think some men's emotionalism is leading them to a place where they're unwilling to accept the answers, to submit to reality, to submit to righteous authority that's trying to tell them, no, this is exactly what happened.
Speaker B:And I'm sorry it contradicts your worldview, but this is how it went.
Speaker B:And so I know that the you.
Speaker B:You mentioned earlier that you had been an exchange, in an exchange with someone on Twitter, sort of a back and forth with their perspective on the shooting.
Speaker B:And you went and did some research yourself.
Speaker B:Do we have time to get into that right now?
Speaker B:Because I would love to hear your perspective if we do.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think even before saying that, like, you know, Christian men and then, you know people that aren't submitting to Christ, and I guess it would say too, is.
Speaker A:Is how.
Speaker A:How are you.
Speaker A:How am I supposed to be confident that you are submitting to Christ when you're acting like a. Online and elsewhere?
Speaker A:I'm sorry, like, let's go, Pastor.
Speaker A:Forgive me, but like you, you are.
Speaker A:You are not displaying the emotional regulatory regulation that a man should have.
Speaker A:You know, you are not displaying a quiet confidence in your abilities, because that's essentially what this is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Is in.
Speaker A:In if.
Speaker A:If deep down as a man, you know that you're a sinner and that you.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter what you did.
Speaker A:Christ paid for it.
Speaker A:It's, you're, anything that you are able to achieve in this life are going to be minor scraps.
Speaker A:And if, if, you know, we don't have an example in Charlie Kirk, like none, like very few people in the history of the world will have the impact he did.
Speaker A:And he is still just a small piece in God's, in this cosmos, in this larger game of what God is knitting together.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and you know, I, I, I believe the government is, is grossly incompetent and I, I served in the highest levels of Army Special Operations and things happened that would blow your mind and it's the most elite and it can come back to just poor radio calls, poor understanding of where other people are on the battlefield and even just coming away, like sometimes tragic things happens and sometimes we narrowly avoided tragedy and we're like, like we could have been, it could have gone so much worse and we actually would have deserved it to go that much worse.
Speaker A:And it didn't.
Speaker A:Praise, you know, for me personally, as a Christian, praise the Lord.
Speaker A:I'm still alive, whatever.
Speaker A:And, and so taking that knowledge of Army Special Operations and then moving that to the Post Biden Justice Department, post Biden Bureau of Investigation, like just appointing a new director and a new new deputy and sending out a couple memos and, and being at the helm for eight months doesn't roll back the kind of like institutional erosion and complete destruction of, of the rule of law that happened prior to this.
Speaker A:And, and, and all the people that got appointed are flawed human beings that are coming with different worldviews and different experiences and, and so, but they're still being put in charge of this agency that has all these people that were, you know, the week prior, the people Biden's administration was promoting, you know, or the people that were controlling the auto pen, if you will.
Speaker A:So like, I think it's okay and it's perfectly acceptable to look at the situation and say we got a long way to go.
Speaker A:Just like we said at the beginning of this podcast, we got a long way to go.
Speaker A:Institutionally, government and, and we as citizens, it's okay to demand that.
Speaker A:It's okay to say Romans 13 requires you to bear the sword against evildoers to protect me and my family.
Speaker A:And I can demand that, righteously demand that from my leaders.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker A:And, and, and I need to be very loud and vocal about it.
Speaker A:But you know how it's, the noise is, it's going to get mixed and it's going to get muddled if I am throwing in a bunch of tinfoil hat stuff.
Speaker A:That is speculation.
Speaker A:We have to be careful about the more intellectually honest and rigorous we are with our communication in this way.
Speaker A:You know, like I, I, I, there are got people that in, in, you know, one of the exchange that was had on Twitter with me, the guy said, you haven't given me specific examples.
Speaker A:And I, and I was, I typed like a quick response and it's like yes, because it was a friend of mine that got shot in.
Speaker A:You know, he basically talks about how, and you know, six inches of flesh and if it was a 36, it would definitely go out the back and this and that.
Speaker A:And I was like, you know, the ballistic comparison between a.30 06 and AK47 that shot my buddy in the leg, you know, but the bullet didn't come out and I saw the entry wound and it, it hit, it clipped the femoral head and the hip, you know, and, and so, you know, I don't have to give you give this guy a full blow by blow of everything I've seen for it, for what I've seen to actually, actually have happened.
Speaker A:And I think that, you know, we start to get in this position because we have so much information that we have all of it in front of us and we get to make the call.
Speaker A:There's so many people that are getting on X and you see it happen right away.
Speaker A:I mean, one of the things I said about this guy is like, I appreciate you post this video, you know, 12, 14 days after you did a lot.
Speaker A:And I appreciate guys like this because he went through a ton of information and edited it and did it in a very methodical way that I don't have to now go do that.
Speaker A:I get to start with his one hour.
Speaker A:That probably took him a week.
Speaker A:I mean he's probably been doing it continuously since Charlie Kirkus and he's called, he's actually gotten videotape that wasn't publicly available from people that were there.
Speaker A:He's freeze framed, he's done audio analysis of, of and he's, and he's done the same with Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker A:So this guy's a smart guy.
Speaker A:And, and, and that's even what I said.
Speaker A:Like I said, hey, I watched the old video, I'm not convinced, blah blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And he responded and, and he, and he didn't ask like well what did you disagree with me on?
Speaker A:And let's talk about it.
Speaker A:And I said I actually, yes, I had be happy to come on and talk with you.
Speaker A:And I got it like, this is Twitter.
Speaker A:You don't have any idea who I am.
Speaker A:You don't know that.
Speaker A:I, I was a special forces sniper and I, I've done tons of, I was, I haven't, haven't done overseas sniper missions, you know, full disclosure.
Speaker A:But I, I've trained, I think it was about a year and a half I was a, in a sniper role.
Speaker A:And so my entire life was, was training in, you know, long distance engagement, short stuff like subsonic rounds, large range rounds.
Speaker A:I've gone on, you know, traveled around the US to different facilities.
Speaker A:And so, you know, but I also said I'm not a gun nerd.
Speaker A:Like I couldn't tell you right now.
Speaker A:The grain size bullet, the grain, the powder.
Speaker A:I understand that because I've had to do ballistic calculations.
Speaker A:And then also I have a network of guys that I can call up.
Speaker A:So when I watched this video, I called him, I called my friend and say, what do you think about this?
Speaker A:You know, not.
Speaker A:And he just basically was like, hey, I've seen two to 3,000, you know, either CAT scans of or actually personally worked on guys.
Speaker A:And when a bullet enters the human body, you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like just, just, it's, there is so much going on with muscle and vasculature and, and fascia and bone that it doesn't make sense what a bullet does sometimes.
Speaker A:So that little, you know, that's a pretty significant testimony by a guy that's still in and, and, and is not going to be talking online about it, that has been in, you know, the war on terrorism for 20 plus years and still actively working.
Speaker A:And he's saying, you know, I don't buy it'll go through every time.
Speaker A:I don't care how many ballistic gel stuff that you show me.
Speaker A:I don't care how many times you say, look at this, what it did to a deer hide.
Speaker A:It wasn't Charlie Kirk's neck.
Speaker A:Like it wasn't the actual bullet that killed him.
Speaker A:And so what I, what the guy basically concludes is, is it's not a, you know, you've seen there's explosive bullets, it's a weapon in the crowd, it's closer.
Speaker A:And I believe he kind of conclusively says, look, it's a high velocity round that hits him in the neck and he breaks down the angles.
Speaker A:And I probably can, this is a good time to jump over.
Speaker A:I can share.
Speaker B:Bring it up.
Speaker A:So this is, this is a program called Sketchup that I use for construction.
Speaker A:So it actually has a capacity to import the, so I imported Utah Valley.
Speaker A:I was able to put a box on the terrain and I was actually able to import all these buildings directly from Google Earth.
Speaker A:And what, what, what wasn't there was if you can kind of see like it, the buildings were laying flat on the terrain.
Speaker A:So this, I actually didn't modify this, these buildings here, but I, I went ahead and you can see in Google you can see from my construction background you can see in Google Earth you can see these steps.
Speaker A:So essentially I'm able to say based on building code what the height of this platform is based on the number of steps.
Speaker A:And so I did that as basically I, I draft drew this as like that upper platform and essentially that's the baseline if you look at it where all these buildings are.
Speaker A:And this building is like 16 foot four.
Speaker A:And I did the, there's a stairwell in the Google Earth right here too that I was able to count the steps.
Speaker A:And so this building that I imported from Google Earth was plus or minus a couple inches from what I got based on these stairs.
Speaker A:So just in a few minutes I was able to basically, even though they're not on, it's not on Google Earth, it's to scale.
Speaker A:So I, I, I figured out what the level of the sidewalk was here.
Speaker A:I moved all the buildings in the compound up to that level based on the steps from, that's from where Charlie was sitting.
Speaker A:And then I, and then I went and I looking at the imagery, there's, there's bricks, 4 inch bricks.
Speaker A:And it really looks like the upper levels that we see at Utah Valley are about the same.
Speaker A:So I just kind of extruded those and essentially this is where they, the shooter was shooting from the outcropping.
Speaker A:So I, I, I basically used what Google had and then I just basically added identical floors.
Speaker A:So there is a possibility that there is, you know, some discrepancies.
Speaker A:But looking at the imagery and you can take Google Earth and kind of drop some, there's some people have done some 3D.
Speaker A:You can kind of look and say look these, these levels kind of all are about the same.
Speaker A:You know, this is at the level that I can, you know, basically using a little construction knowledge and figuring out the actual height.
Speaker A:And what I found out was, you know, I drew this triangle which is the, the trajectory of kind of where they say the shooter's position was.
Speaker A:And I brought it all the way down to skeleton here sitting that has the anatomy of, of the neck and essentially where I feel breaks down they said that the conclusion was, hey, from the guy was, hey, it hit to the side of his neck and it maybe it clipped these bones.
Speaker A:And he's actually really anatomy gifted too to talk about, you know, the different parts of the bone in the neck.
Speaker A:But he's basically saying, hey, it, if anything it entered here and it only clipped a little bit.
Speaker A:There's no way that this little bit of bone here stopped it.
Speaker A:It should be a massive exit wound.
Speaker A:And essentially they're saying, hey, it had to be.
Speaker A:It couldn't have been from this position because if it was from this position, you know, I'm sorry, I'm just jumping around here a little bit.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Get back over here.
Speaker A:If it was from this position, then it would have gone right through his neck and it wouldn't have stayed in his body.
Speaker A:There would have been a massive exit wound.
Speaker A:There would have been a small entry wound kind of thing.
Speaker A:What, what I'm basically was trying to say is, look, I, I agree these angles, he, he did the distance, my distance was just a slight, slightly farther than what he came down to is a little bit bigger.
Speaker A:I used the protractor.
Speaker A:It's like nine degree.
Speaker A:Not, he said nine degrees.
Speaker A:I got like 10.1 and 10 point something for the, the downslope.
Speaker A:So his.
Speaker A:He's basically was saying, hey, we had.
Speaker A:There's some guys in the crowd that are right here that started pointing this way.
Speaker A:And he's trying to say, hey, it had.
Speaker A:It probably should have come from this angle because this angle would have been more straight on into the neck and would have hit more of the bone that would have stopped it.
Speaker A:So that basically that's his whole thing is it couldn't come from right here.
Speaker A:The guys in the audience pointed this way.
Speaker A:Two guys.
Speaker A:This angle is, is steeper and a sharper angle.
Speaker A:And that's probably a second shooter.
Speaker A:And he's doing that because there's a little bit of messed up audio.
Speaker A:And they're thinking that there was.
Speaker A:It's not matching up.
Speaker A:And last time I talked, he said that he thinks that, that it's, it doesn't match up like it did in Butler.
Speaker A:And he's sketchy about that.
Speaker A:And, and basically what I'm just trying to say is, is like it's.
Speaker A:What you're arguing is such a marginal difference angle wise then that you know that what actually when anybody that knows when they shoot like the, the, the angle that it enters the neck, even just if you, if he placed the entry wound Slightly wrong on the neck even.
Speaker A:It could have hit the spinal column and stayed in his body.
Speaker A:And I, I guess I'm just saying like you're saying definitively because he didn't get an exit wound, that it had to be a farther, a steeper angle from the trajectory into his neck.
Speaker A:And you're also saying that it had to be steeper.
Speaker A:But I, I actually am not getting that really that much steeper of an angle from this spot over here as this because it's literally just kind of the same angle out, but it is a, a steeper shot to the center of the neck.
Speaker A:And I might basically, I'm just trying to say is like, hey, it could be that it entered just slightly more around the circumference of his neck.
Speaker A:It didn't enter over here.
Speaker A:It could have entered a little bit farther.
Speaker A:We don't have, I don't know that, that the definitive placement and that's very likely when somebody's shooting.
Speaker A:Having a 1 inch deviation to the left or right is, is very easily caused, you know, at that distance, just the most subtle movement.
Speaker A:And then they're saying, hey guys, pointed over here.
Speaker A:But we also, the video, we know that Tyler Robinson or at least ran over.
Speaker A:My computer's lagging here.
Speaker A:He ran over.
Speaker A:There's like a, I haven't rendered this.
Speaker A:And then he jumped, jumped down off the building.
Speaker A:And I just am kind of like, well maybe he was already running like this a little bit.
Speaker A:And the people were still, they could see him running.
Speaker A:And so they're pointing.
Speaker A:After he took the shot, he ran.
Speaker A:And then they also mentioned something about the shadow going away and that they thought that the footage was doctored.
Speaker A:But, and I haven't gone out and done this, but it was a really, is a white TPO roof or EPDM roof that is just really like reflects and is bright with the sun.
Speaker A:And they're like, hey, the shadow went away as soon as he went.
Speaker A:And white should reflect the shot.
Speaker A:The shadow should be more visible on white.
Speaker A:But I, I, I, you know, I, I plan on trying to run out if I can to one of our projects that has that really white roof.
Speaker A:But one of the things that happens when the sun is hitting that white roof is actually reflecting the light a lot.
Speaker A:And it's, you can get, you know, sunburn and, and stuff from standing on it more because it's like being at the beach or something.
Speaker A:And I kind of just, that's just theory.
Speaker A:I haven't gone out and proved it.
Speaker A:But they're basically like as soon as he went right over the white part, his shadow went away.
Speaker A:And I'm like, it could be as simple as just like a bright.
Speaker A:The sun reflecting and it's, it's, you know, the light coming off of this really hyper reflective white roof.
Speaker A:And so I guess I just.
Speaker A:When, when they do a lot of thorough analysis, but then make like a slight.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:What I think is like literally a simple thing of like it maybe it just entered his neck.
Speaker A:And even if it did not enter his neck farther around, it could easily have done something crazy.
Speaker A:Because you're not saying he got shot from the back.
Speaker A:You're not saying he got like, your analysis is literally just.
Speaker A:I mean, I want to see if I can get the protractor out here and say, you know, he's, he's literally saying, you know what?
Speaker A:I want this degree measurement difference is from, from.
Speaker A:From here to there.
Speaker A:He's saying like just another 10 degrees or 11.7 degree difference.
Speaker A:And so I guess I'm just kind of like when, when, when the jump is second shooter, 11 degrees different and there's no way this angle would have come out.
Speaker A:And so basically you're denying that when a bullet enters a human body, it does crazy things, which I know for a fact it does crazy things.
Speaker A:And I have a friend that has a lot more experience that says it does crazy things.
Speaker A:So I'm basically, I'm willing to accept that he may have gotten shot from here and it just did some weird stuff because bullets do that than to say there's a second shooter.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's very possible that, that there are nefarious actors involved.
Speaker A:It's very possible that, that the government is not being as truthful about it.
Speaker A:But at the same time, why does the FBI have to tell all of us what's going on in the investigation right now?
Speaker A:Like what, what makes.
Speaker A:I mean, I can understand, hey, we don't have trust in the institution.
Speaker A:You need to be more transparent if you're wanting to get this.
Speaker A:But at the same time, maybe Cash Patel's like, screw you.
Speaker A:I'm prosecuting this with everybody I got, and I'm going to roll it all out when we got it.
Speaker A:You know, and, and so you know this.
Speaker A:I distrust the government.
Speaker A:What happened with COVID and what they did is reprehensible.
Speaker A:And a lot of those people are still in dod, still in doj, still in the FBI.
Speaker A:And they're, they're.
Speaker A:They're flying below the radar.
Speaker A:Some of them have gotten washed out.
Speaker A:But that same.
Speaker A:Those same people that would sell their friend down the river are still in key positions.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:Like I said, I'm not denying any of that.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, like, it's.
Speaker A:It's not as.
Speaker A:You know, I'm not getting Israel.
Speaker A:There was a Mossad agent, 11 degree difference.
Speaker A:And that's the only way that this could have happened.
Speaker A:I'm just like, it could still have gotten from this angle.
Speaker A:It could have done something weird when it entered the body.
Speaker A:A little bit different placement on the neck and it still could be that guy.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I don't know, you know, Like, I only know I literally.
Speaker A:I also like to think that it was.
Speaker A:I got this one video sent to me from a friend.
Speaker A:It was really well done.
Speaker A:I was able to you to spend about two and a half hours total.
Speaker A:I got on some pretty crazy Twitter spaces and listened to some, you know, some.
Speaker A:It's also pretty funny for me to listen to some military guys give their pedigree and why they should be on the space and saying these things.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I don't know if you're as amazing.
Speaker A:You kind of sound.
Speaker A:You're trying to sound like Jason Bourne.
Speaker A:I guess I can.
Speaker A:I can detect a lot of subtle humble or not so humble overstatements of people's capabilities.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And I'm not getting that for like this.
Speaker A:That's one of the reasons why I really like this guy is.
Speaker A:Is I was trying to pull his name up because I think he's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:He's not off the deep end.
Speaker A:He's Very straightforward approach to it.
Speaker A:The best video I've seen on it.
Speaker A:It allowed me to not go down the rabbit hole with a bunch of idiots.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:It was empirical and just.
Speaker A:I just kind of feel like at the very.
Speaker A:The last 10 to 20% of his analysis is it's.
Speaker A:It's based on ballistic gel and.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker A:Not a real human body.
Speaker A:It's based on deer.
Speaker A:Not like.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:I. I am.
Speaker A:I will accept that it's very much in the realm of the possible that it entered the neck and stayed in the body, hit the spinal column, did some weird stuff and it.
Speaker A:But there's a lot of other things that could be true too.
Speaker B:I appreciate all that and.
Speaker B:And I've sort of three things to say in response.
Speaker B:First is that I haven't talk publicly.
Speaker B:Gun violence has touched my family as well.
Speaker B:And so I am aware that from an autopsy report that a bullet can do strange things when it enters the body.
Speaker B:So I'll leave it there.
Speaker B:Perhaps someday I'll say more about that.
Speaker B:But I know firsthand that, yeah, that's just true and people probably wouldn't believe me.
Speaker B:The second thing is there's a way in which the conspiracy mindset has begun with the conclusion that whatever the government is telling us cannot possibly be true.
Speaker B:And that's a flawed conclusion.
Speaker B:You can doubt the capability, the integrity and the truthfulness of the government.
Speaker B:You are perhaps encouraged to do that.
Speaker B:But if you begin with the conclusion in mind that, well, this definitely can't be true, then you're just going to seek out information that proves your point, which is not exactly how you do research.
Speaker B:And the third thing, and I'm not saying that this is that either of these apply to the man that you're speaking about, whose name I don't recall either.
Speaker B:But the third part is that what I've seen largely since the assassination itself is a consistent attempt to tie it to Israel.
Speaker B:No one else, no one's saying it was Qatar or China or whatever.
Speaker B:It's like, it must be Israel.
Speaker B:And we're going to pull up all this information about potential conflict and heated meetings and resentment and all these things that has turned out to be so much fluff that it isn't actually there.
Speaker B:So the last two, that there's a pre assumed conclusion that what the government is saying cannot be true.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so the third part is, and therefore it must be Israel.
Speaker B:That's the problem that I'm seeing.
Speaker A:Well, this guy Chris is.
Speaker A:Chris Martinson is his name and I think Peak Prosperity is his organization.
Speaker A:But he said anytime that there is a bunch of stuff coming into the web that is trying to kind of discredit and make counter arguments and things like that, you got to be suspect.
Speaker A:And, and I'm also kind of like fair or the most significant political religious assassination in our lifetime just happened at the same time.
Speaker A:Internet freedom has been un.
Speaker A:Like Elon Musk has taken the shackles off.
Speaker A:So could it be that.
Speaker A:Could it be a ton of users with a lot of emotion and a lot of a mixed bag of experiences just flooding the.
Speaker A:That more than like, no, there's a bunch of, you know, whatever the.
Speaker A:I can't remember the Israeli unit that's like the hackers.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, it's a different one.
Speaker A:They, they do a lot of venture capital stuff and all that.
Speaker A:But it's got to be a basement full of those guys doing these complex, you know, are they doing that yes.
Speaker A:Is, are all the, are there state actors online trying to swing elections, trying to influence 100%.
Speaker A:But again the, when you said like we're going to go, we're going to start by diving into the deep end and then trying to swim back towards land, that kind of person generally, I, I think that you can start on land and kind of methodically and be like, oof, like we're way out in the ocean now.
Speaker A:How do we get here?
Speaker A:And I guess that's more the approach that I am.
Speaker A:I'm a little bit less, I mean people have said we got to get you more conspiracy.
Speaker A:You know, whatever.
Speaker A:What's going to have to happen.
Speaker A:I'm just like I'm, I just, I guess have just seen how incompetent the government can be even in elite military units before.
Speaker A:I'm like they pulled this thing off without anybody knowing, you know, I mean and that's like the moon landing kind of thing.
Speaker A:Like how does that, if it really didn't happen, how does that stay a secret with how many people had to pull the fake one off?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Like does it saying that it's not possible.
Speaker A:I'm not saying but, but like, like people talk, people make mistakes, people slip up.
Speaker A:And God actually likes to have when people mean things like the COVID thing for bad.
Speaker A:He likes flipping the table and he likes bringing about a.
Speaker A:Essentially like this even what's happening with the revival around Charlie Kirk, the seeds of that were sown in nefarious actors trying to control the population with vaccines.
Speaker A:And, and what is God doing?
Speaker A:God's, God's saying, you know, they the sign.
Speaker A:Want to hear God laugh?
Speaker A:Tell them your plans.
Speaker A:I think that we see that the nations rage, they plot in vain.
Speaker A:The Lord in heaven laughs.
Speaker A:And I think that we as Christians can laugh like my God is spinning all of this even if it is a nefarious state actor.
Speaker A:And what I actually probably need to go do is love my kids and my wife and build my business and create wealth and disciple a couple young men in my circles to not go off of the deep end with Israel and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker A:Not to say that there isn't like there's stuff that is like there.
Speaker A:It's sin though.
Speaker A:It's sin.
Speaker A:It's the love, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, money, power and, and you and I'm sorry but full red blooded Americans are just as you know, with no affiliation to Israel are just as bad actors in the system and, and, and, and the problem is sin.
Speaker A:The problem is that we apart from God.
Speaker A:And the whole narrative of scripture is even people that know God and have his commandments still end up having sex with their dad, you know, and still end up doing these kinds of things.
Speaker A:It's like, it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's crazy, you know, and people look at scripture and be like, look at all these sinners.
Speaker A:You know, I'm like, yes.
Speaker A:And yet God still subjected his son to that for us.
Speaker A:And then how now should we then live?
Speaker A:You know, so what if it was a second shooter?
Speaker A:Like, and that's the thing, too, is, like, there's this culture of.
Speaker A:I watched the video where it was graphic one time.
Speaker A:One time, and that's it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I have seen hundreds of dead bodies and.
Speaker A:And had to actually handle them and do all this kind of stuff.
Speaker A:The sanctity of life matters to me.
Speaker A:We have a.
Speaker A:A Gore hungry and sick population.
Speaker A:We have a drama hungry and sick population.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that all was.
Speaker A:Was amplified with this event.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But at the same time, we're seeing how the enemy responded, and it's despicable.
Speaker A:We're seeing how Christian.
Speaker A:What Christians are not willing to mention the epic work of this guy.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, praise the Lord.
Speaker A:Praise the Lord.
Speaker A:I get to see your true colors.
Speaker A:And praise the Lord.
Speaker A:I have a church that I get to go to prayer meeting and be with saints that know me and my kids and love me whether or not there was a second shooter, you know?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I. I think it's.
Speaker B:And I love all of that.
Speaker B:And this is why a church community is so important.
Speaker B:I know that you have to go to that prayer meeting in just a minute, but just.
Speaker B:Just we could add one more thing.
Speaker B:Like, is it really so impossible to believe?
Speaker B:Especially after Minneapolis.
Speaker B:After the Minneapolis church shooting, the Catholic with the kids, the Nashville school shooter, even going all the way back to Columbine, actually, like, Dylan Thebold and his partner Eric something.
Speaker B:They were also into transgender stuff.
Speaker B:That came out.
Speaker B:I think that came out way later, so that it's not as if transgender, you know, quote, unquote, male shooter or male.
Speaker B:Male.
Speaker B:Male shooters are somehow a thing.
Speaker B:It's not as if political violence from the extreme, radical left is somehow a new thing.
Speaker B:Is it really hard to believe that a kid pulled off a, you know, a sloppy.
Speaker B:A sloppy job and that's all there is to it?
Speaker B:And I think that we have plenty of evidence to suggest that's the case, you have means, motive and opportunity, which is how you establish a crime in any court.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so this looks like what it is.
Speaker B:And is that so hard to believe?
Speaker B:That's exactly what it is.
Speaker B:Is that not the direction the country has been going in for the past, I don't know, five years, 10 years, 20 years picket.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Is that so hard to believe versus, no, there must be some grand larger conspiracy behind it all.
Speaker B:Maybe there is.
Speaker B:Or maybe this is exactly what it looks like.
Speaker B:Maybe this is the end product of a nation that has forgotten God, that has thrown him out of the public square and has tolerated crazy behavior and beliefs for far too long, going all the way back to the start with the talk given by Pete Hegseth.
Speaker B:Is that hard to believe?
Speaker B:I don't think that it is.
Speaker B:And I think it's, you know, Occam's razor.
Speaker B:I think it's the more valid explanation, the more heartbreaking, you know, explanation.
Speaker B:The one that's like, oof.
Speaker B:This looks at all of us as Americans, instead of pointing the finger over there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think we as Christians, like, you should really check your heart if you're not looking with grief at the mug shot of that young man.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:You know, and, and, and, and like, essentially, like, for sure he's going to have to bear.
Speaker A:Be responsible for his actions.
Speaker A:And if.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker A:You know, in, in the court of law, it's determined that this is the guy that dropped the hammer.
Speaker A:I believe that there should be capital punishment for this crime, should be held responsible, but that doesn't mean he's the only one that sinned in this process.
Speaker A:Like, we as a society have, have.
Speaker A:Are.
Speaker A:Are giving our kids untested.
Speaker A:We know, actually we're giving them stuff that's literally messing them up forever for their life.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:And it's, and we've created an ideology and a doctrine around it that's dangerous and is hurting kids and is, is, is mutilating them and chemically castrating them.
Speaker A:And it's, it's an.
Speaker A:I grieve for it.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:This isn't transphobic hate.
Speaker A:I want them to be in, in there.
Speaker A:One of the videos that Charlie said, like, I want you to be happy.
Speaker A:I want you to be who God put you on this earth to be.
Speaker A:And, and I want you to, to go forth and live your life for his glory and, and realize that sacrificing and submitting to his will and following the Word, which is the, the best instruction manual for, for a Joyful happy life.
Speaker A:I want that for you.
Speaker A:And, and I don't feel like you.
Speaker A:I can look at the fruit of just like I can there's, I can look at people in my own church that don't have joy.
Speaker A:In the same, maybe a lesser degree.
Speaker A:Let's, let's get closer to Jesus here.
Speaker A:Let's get.
Speaker A:Figure out what the creator of the universe, how he wove this together to work well and for our good and let's get there together.
Speaker A:And the Christian worldview has a system that can demand justice but also has the mercy side and God being the ultimate judge here and the state having a requirement to bear the sword.
Speaker A:Us having spiritual weapons and sometimes that's physical to defend those that are in our care and all this complex stuff.
Speaker A:We have an answer for all of it and we need to take that to our local community, our family, us personally in our own heart.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and, and I think it's going to happen like it's, it's, it's and it's a.
Speaker A:What an amazing time to be alive.
Speaker B:I agree brother man, I wish I could keep you here forever so we could keep talking but I know you got to go put into action all the things you just talked been talking about.
Speaker B:Go and take your family to a, to a Wednesday prayer meeting.
Speaker B:So, so grateful for you.
Speaker B:So grateful for your friendship, for your wisdom, for your experience and your perspective as always.
Speaker B:Where would you like me?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Where would you like to send people to find out more about you and what you do?
Speaker A:Well, I guess I'm most active on X at the spearing and have my website link in the bio but it's Spearing co and I'm working on some offerings for the church and for men in the community that are leading their community.
Speaker A:I kind of am trying to focus on people that kind of already have the, the brown belt level at some of these kind of skills and equip them to lead and teach in their own community.
Speaker A:That's kind of how we're trying to build our, our land out to help those.
Speaker A:So if you're in, in a church or a Christian school or someplace and you're leading that and you're saying I need more tools and I need more training and I need more talking points to help lead it where I am in training.
Speaker A:Get in touch with me DM me or you know, send a contact us on the website.
Speaker A:We're, we're trying to offer kind of in person training here with kind of the, the elaborate cadre of people that we even just have in our own church with all these different experiences to enable people in their community to protect those that are under their care.
Speaker A:As I think we're going to see more of this because of the political, the cultural state we're in and the sinful state of our nation.
Speaker A:And I think Christians need, you know, first and foremost to be ready to proclaim the gospel.
Speaker A:But for anybody that is seeking to physically harm those under our care, we see that prescriptive in Adam working and guarding the garden and the Levitical priest working and guarding the tabernacle.
Speaker A:I take the guard thing very seriously.
Speaker A:I feel like that's one of my gifts that God has, has given me some, some knowledge and wisdom in that area and actual real technical skill.
Speaker A:So I want to help you guys do that and bring that to your community and come up with ways we can do that.
Speaker A:So just get in touch with me if if that's a angst that you feel where you are and you want help with that.
Speaker A:I'm trying to trying to do that.
Speaker A:Sam SA.
