What can a brand new patch of nature tell us about Europe's ancient history?
In this episode, we touch down in the Netherlands, where an unconventional experiment (the Oostvaardersplassen) has shaken up both the field of ecology and Dutch society. What started as a bird watcher’s obsession with thousands of trekking geese, led to a criticism of one of the central tenets in ecology: ecosystem succession.
Enter a counter-theory that would return the rarest of birds, butterflies, and a once-extinct mega mammal to one of the most densely populated countries on earth.
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Introduction Voiceover:Ecologies.
Adam Huggins:Are we all recording locally?
Toon Vos:Let's see. I got signal. Yes. Okay.
Mendel Skulski:Okay. I'm rolling.
Adam Huggins:Okay. I have – I have absolutely no idea of what
Adam Huggins:we're going to talk about. Really. This is a first for me.
Mendel Skulski:But you know why we're up so early in the
Mendel Skulski:morning?
Adam Huggins:What time is it there for you, Toon?
Toon Vos:It's five past three in the afternoon.
Adam Huggins:Oh, that's nice.
Toon Vos:Yeah, it's just the middle of the day.
Mendel Skulski:I guess that should make the point clear that
Mendel Skulski:we are up earlier than we'd like to be to record this podcast,
Mendel Skulski:because we're getting a little bit outside of our own backyard
Mendel Skulski:today. We're going to Europe.
Mendel Skulski:Oh right! Um, we should introduce ourselves. My name is
Mendel Skulski:Mendel.
Adam Huggins:And I'm Adam.
Toon Vos:Nice.
Mendel Skulski:You too.
Toon Vos:Oh, sorry. My name is Toon. I'm from the Netherlands.
Toon Vos:That's a little European country people sometimes confused with
Toon Vos:Denmark. But we're the one that has Amsterdam.
Mendel Skulski:Right. Tell us a little bit about the story
Mendel Skulski:you've got for us today.
Toon Vos:Yeah. Today, I'd like to invite you to the bottom of
Toon Vos:the sea, because there are some interesting creatures living
Toon Vos:there, as you may know. More specifically, the animals that
Toon Vos:graze there.
Adam Huggins:Like sea urchins?
Toon Vos:I'll give you a little hint.
Soundscape:[Sound of burling Red Deer]
Mendel Skulski:[Laughs]
Adam Huggins:Wait, that does not sound like any animal I know
Adam Huggins:from the bottom of the ocean.
Mendel Skulski:That sounds like a deer!
Toon Vos:Yeah, the bottom of the sea I'm talking about is a
Toon Vos:polder. Do you know what that is? A polder?
Adam Huggins:A boulder... like a big rock?
Toon Vos:No. So a polder is a tract of land that used to be
Toon Vos:underwater. So that could be a sea or a lake or a marsh. And
Toon Vos:then at some point, humans decide that they're going to
Toon Vos:drain it. They're going to pump out all the water. Usually,
Toon Vos:windmills were used to pump out the water beyond the dikes,
Toon Vos:draining the water out of the area. And basically creating
Toon Vos:land where there used to be sea.
Adam Huggins:Famously, you come from a country that is
Adam Huggins:underwater. I understand.
Toon Vos:Yeah, Atlantis.
Adam Huggins:Right. Okay, so a polder is a is an area of land
Adam Huggins:that has essentially been reclaimed from the ocean. Would
you use a word like that:
:"reclaimed"?
Mendel Skulski:Claimed for the first time, maybe...
Toon Vos:Exactly. That's the interesting part. People always
Toon Vos:say "reclaimed". But maybe claim is a good word. I don't think we
Toon Vos:were particularly entitled to the bottom of the sea, but
Toon Vos:people wanted to farm.
Toon Vos:So once you have poldered this land, you have land where there
Toon Vos:used to be water, you can do all kinds of stuff with it. So the
Toon Vos:soil becomes super fertile. Often it's used for agriculture.
Toon Vos:But the Dutch were like "We have 11 provinces... that's nice. But
Toon Vos:we want 12"!
Adam Huggins:[Laughs] Of course
Toon Vos:So they decided to create another province, which
Toon Vos:they called Flevoland, and it was created between 1918 and
Toon Vos:1986, which is really young.
Adam Huggins:So they just up and decided that they wanted to
Adam Huggins:make their country larger. And instead of doing it, I guess the
Adam Huggins:normal way, you just basically make it out of the ocean.
Mendel Skulski:Preferable to invasion.
Toon Vos:Yes, they invaded the water instead. But there's a
saying:"God created the world, but the Dutch created the
saying:Netherlands". It's a bit much, but you get the sense of pride
saying:that is felt.
saying:And in the polder of Flevoland, this new province, there is the
saying:great wilderness that we call the Oostvaardersplassen
Adam Huggins:Um.. one more time?
Toon Vos:The Oostvaardersplassen
Adam Huggins:The Oostvaardersplassen...
Toon Vos:Pretty good! Mendel?
Mendel Skulski:Oh, for me. Oh, jeez. Oost... vaar... ders...
Mendel Skulski:plassen.
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen. But if that's too Dutch for you,
Toon Vos:you can just call it OVP
Adam Huggins:OVP.
Toon Vos:So you have the Oostvaardersplassen, and the
Toon Vos:train from the city of Almere to Lelystad (which is the capital
Toon Vos:of Flevoland) will take you right past.
Toon Vos:I asked Koen Arts, a nature writer and researcher at
Toon Vos:Wageningen University to describe the Oostvaardersplassen
Toon Vos:for us.
Toon Vos:For someone who has never seen the Oostvaardersplassen, what is
Toon Vos:it?
Koen Arts:Yeah, that's that's a funny one because I think for a
Koen Arts:lot of foreigners, it's... it's unlike anything they've seen.
Koen Arts:So, imagine a small piece of land: about 5500 hectares. So
Koen Arts:when you talk about nature conservation on on the global
Koen Arts:level, usually, nature reserves, national parks are much much
Koen Arts:bigger.
Koen Arts:On multiple sides, you have dikes of a few meters high. And
Koen Arts:The Oostvaardersplassen is a reserve unlike other natural
Koen Arts:then — also which is just so striking — a busy train line
Koen Arts:going past it, roads etc, etc around it. And then you have
Koen Arts:this kind of semi-wildness that unfolds, in between this very
Koen Arts:densely populated area. And of course, in a very densely
Koen Arts:populated country, the Netherlands: 70 million people
Koen Arts:on about 40,000 square kilometers.
Koen Arts:areas in the Netherlands. It's rife with bird life, and sports
Koen Arts:a wild cast of characters, including lots of big mammals —
Koen Arts:which we'll meet later. Reminiscent of the Serengeti,
Koen Arts:but smaller. At least that's what the Dutch tell themselves.
Mendel Skulski:That's funny. I know that the Netherlands is
Mendel Skulski:pretty famous for like miniature... all sorts of
Mendel Skulski:things, right?
Toon Vos:Exactly. The tiny Serengeti.
Mendel Skulski:It's kind of quaint, how Canada with all this
Mendel Skulski:wide open space, we have towns that are super proud of their
Mendel Skulski:novelty largest thing in the world. And in the Netherlands,
Mendel Skulski:we have you know, this compact little country where everything
Mendel Skulski:gets miniaturized.
Toon Vos:We have tiny everything. We have a tiny theme
Toon Vos:park. The theme is tiny. And the natural areas are pretty tiny as
Toon Vos:well. This is big for Dutch standards.
Mendel Skulski:So this polder is the bottom of the ocean
Mendel Skulski:transformed into the Serengeti, of a sort.
Toon Vos:Yeah. And on its way to becoming the savanna it is
Toon Vos:today, this little polder was transformed more than once.
Adam Huggins:Can I ask a question really quick? This
Adam Huggins:might be a dumb question. But why would you go to all the
Adam Huggins:trouble of claiming agricultural land from the ocean? And then
Adam Huggins:just decide to turn it into like a tiny wilderness?
Toon Vos:That's a good question.
Adam Huggins:Sounds like a lot of work.
Toon Vos:Well, it didn't start with that intention. If anything
Toon Vos:this nature reserve started off as an accident. When they first
Toon Vos:started to poldering process, the land was originally planned
Toon Vos:to be an industrial site. But it would turn out at the western
Toon Vos:edge was particularly difficult to lay dry.
Adam Huggins:What you're saying, just from my
Adam Huggins:understanding, is that it never was particularly good for
Adam Huggins:agricultural land because it was too wet — didn't do a good
Adam Huggins:enough job claiming it from the ocean. And you can't dig ditches
Adam Huggins:because you're already below sea level.
Toon Vos:Exactly. So the only way to lay it dry is to pump. So
Toon Vos:all kinds of efforts were made to speed up this process.
Toon Vos:Airplanes were used to sow reed, which act like little biological
Toon Vos:pumps pulling the water up and evaporating it — drying up the
Toon Vos:soil it grows on.
Toon Vos:But planting all those reeds had a side effects. In the late 70s.
Toon Vos:an ecologist by the name of Frans Vera noticed that the
Toon Vos:reeds were full of geese. Thousands of greylag geese,
Toon Vos:pausing on their treks from Siberia had taken to feasting on
Toon Vos:the stuff. And that's when Frans noticed something that was
Toon Vos:supposed to be impossible.
Toon Vos:And so began an experiment which fundamentally challenged the
Toon Vos:field of ecology and continues to influence the way we perceive
Toon Vos:and manage nature.
Adam Huggins:I might be awake by the time that the theme is
Adam Huggins:over.
Introduction Voiceover:Broadcasting from the Low Countries of
Introduction Voiceover:Europe, this is Future Ecologies — exploring the shape of our
Introduction Voiceover:world through ecology, design and sound.
Frans Vera:My name is Frans Vera. I'm a biologist. But in my
Frans Vera:heart, I'm a nature conservationist.
Toon Vos:This is Frans Vera, the ecologist at the very
Toon Vos:beginning of this grand experiment. Fransalways enjoyed
Toon Vos:birdwatching. So when the word got around about this new
Toon Vos:hotspot for greylag geese and other avian sightings, he and
Toon Vos:the entire Dutch birding community were ecstatic. Many of
Toon Vos:them would drive out to the dikes alongside the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen. They wanted to enjoy the explosion of rare
Toon Vos:bird life while it lasted. In a couple of years, they thought,
Toon Vos:the reed would grow over the open water, and many birds would
Toon Vos:go elsewhere.
Frans Vera:Even after two years, three years, the whole
Frans Vera:was covered already with reed from three meters high! So
Frans Vera:nobody had any idea of how to preserve it. And that was the
Frans Vera:reason that among nature conservationists, an area like
Frans Vera:the Oostvaardersplassen was called a "throwaway biotope". So
Frans Vera:it would be interesting for about, let's say, a decade, and
Frans Vera:then it was finished.
Adam Huggins:So I understand from that quote, they planted
Adam Huggins:reed to try to dry out the wetland. Instead, it made great
Adam Huggins:habitat for geese. And they thought that that was only going
Adam Huggins:to last for so long because the reed would initiate a kind of
Adam Huggins:process of succession that would eventually get rid of the
Adam Huggins:wetland like they had intended.
Toon Vos:Yeah, exactly. During his studies, Frans was taught
Toon Vos:about the process where different kinds of vegetation
Toon Vos:would follow each other in a linear fashion. As the reed was
Toon Vos:taking over in the Oostvaardersplassen, the soil
Toon Vos:would dry out and give way to other kinds of vegetation.
Toon Vos:Eventually, the marshy circumstances so cherished by
Toon Vos:many birds and birders will disappear. This theory is called
Toon Vos:succession theory.
Frans Vera:And the dominant theory at that time, in nature
Frans Vera:conservation, but in ecology as a whole, was the so-called
Frans Vera:succession theory. It was formulated in 1919 by the
Frans Vera:American, Clements. And the theory is that every time when
Frans Vera:you have a development, which started at bare soil like the
Frans Vera:polder, then you'll get a colonization of first small
Frans Vera:plants, then large plants and shrubs. And if the hydrology and
Frans Vera:climate is that trees can grow, the end is the climax forest. So
Frans Vera:that's, for instance, the idea that the whole of Europe but
Frans Vera:also the whole of Northern America, would have been
Frans Vera:originally covered with a closed canopy forest.
Toon Vos:So the theory goes, leave a bare patch of land
Toon Vos:alone. And after a succession of saplings and seedlings, shrubs
Toon Vos:and trees, a forest with a closed canopy will grow out of
Toon Vos:it. As the landscape changes, animals adjust to their new
Toon Vos:circumstances, and go wherever there's food or shelter.
Adam Huggins:I love that we're discussing succession theory
Adam Huggins:here on our fourth season of Future Ecologies, now. It's a
Adam Huggins:pretty fundamental concept in ecology that I think also for
Adam Huggins:many people, is still very important, although obviously,
Adam Huggins:it's become more complicated over time. But I've never I've
Adam Huggins:never thought of succession with respect to like, what happens
Adam Huggins:when you resurrect land from the ocean, right? Like that's a kind
Adam Huggins:of bare soil circumstance that is unusual for most of us.
Toon Vos:It's the ultimate bare patch of land!
Adam Huggins:Absolutely, yeah, square one.
Toon Vos:But seeing the multitudes of geese at the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen, Frans noticed something.
Frans Vera:They opened up the reedbeds, and they did something
Frans Vera:of which everybody had thought it would be impossible: they
Frans Vera:were even able to change reedbed back into open water! And it
Frans Vera:struck me as an ecologist, because suddenly, I see that
Frans Vera:grazing animals steer the succession. Instead, what I
learned at university:that animals always follow the
learned at university:succession. And because they ought to follow the succession,
learned at university:you end up in a climax situation, which is, in the
learned at university:temperate hemisphere, a closed canopy forest.
Toon Vos:The geese that had haphazardly arrived at this new
Toon Vos:patch of land were creating an ecosystem for themselves and for
Toon Vos:all kinds of other animals. At this place that was designated
Toon Vos:to become an industrial site, they were punching holes in the
Toon Vos:manmade reedbed — slowing down, and even reversing the process
Toon Vos:of succession everyone suspected.
Frans Vera:So you had the combination of shallow water and
Frans Vera:reed, which was a bird paradise for marsh birds: Harriers,
Frans Vera:geese, ducks, just name it. A lot of bird species, which were
Frans Vera:at that time very rare in the Netherlands, became very common
Frans Vera:in that area.
Toon Vos:So suddenly, there was a huge interest in keeping these
Toon Vos:marshy wetlands for all the new bird live in the area. But
Toon Vos:ironically, the marsh was threatened by the reeds that
Toon Vos:brought the geese in the first place. Mowing the reed manually
Toon Vos:would have been incredibly difficult and expensive. That's
Toon Vos:why people called the Oostvaardersplassen a throwaway
Toon Vos:biotope — it was impossible to sustain. But what actually
Toon Vos:happened is that the geese were taking care of the maintenance
Toon Vos:of the area.
Frans Vera:And here, the geese did it. And they proved to
Frans Vera:create the habitat for all kinds of other bird species.
Toon Vos:Instead of seeing the Oostvaardersplassen as a
Toon Vos:throwaway biotope, Frans and other biologists started to see
Toon Vos:it as something special in its own right. This explosion in
Toon Vos:biodiversity led to birdwatchers successfully petitioning for the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen to be protected as a new ecological
Toon Vos:reserve.
Frans Vera:We are always complaining and being sad about
Frans Vera:everything that is becoming lost.
Toon Vos:But instead of wallowing in despair, Frans was
Toon Vos:inspired by his colleague Ernst Poorter.
Frans Vera:He said "We have now a new polder. And you see, we
Frans Vera:can have new things, which are probably as valuable, as nice as
Frans Vera:beautiful as what we've lost".
Soundscape:[Train station announcement]
Toon Vos:I think it's time for me to show you what this is all
Toon Vos:about. Let's take the train from Brussels in Belgium — where I
Toon Vos:live — to Lelystad in the Netherlands — the country where
Toon Vos:I'm from.
Toon Vos:As we wait for the train to arrive in Lelystad, I'll get
Toon Vos:Frans to help us compare the two theories at play.
Toon Vos:If it's possible for a gaggle of geese to influence the
Toon Vos:succession of an ecosystem, Frans reasoned that large
Toon Vos:herbivores would be exceptional at it. We already recognize this
Toon Vos:intuitively with cultivated animals. Pastures don't turn
Toon Vos:into forests, and much of Scotland lacks trees because of
Toon Vos:its long history of sheep herding. But somehow, in the
Toon Vos:halls of academia, wild grazers had been set apart.
Frans Vera:If a domestic cow can create and preserve
Frans Vera:grassland, why not a wild cow, or a wild horse? "Nooooo," all
Frans Vera:the scientists says.
Frans Vera:"Why not?"
Frans Vera:"No, we had wild cows all over Europe, we had wild horses, we
Frans Vera:had European bison, we had moose, we had red deer..."
Toon Vos:But despite acknowledging the historical
Toon Vos:presence of all these different grazers, ecology textbooks said
Toon Vos:that, across all of Europe, humans were the only force
Toon Vos:keeping the climax forest at bay.
Toon Vos:That's the succession theory.
Toon Vos:To which Frans said,
Frans Vera:"That's a nice theory. I have another theory.
Frans Vera:Shall we test which theory is the good one?"
Adam Huggins:Said like a true scientist.
Toon Vos:And as it happened, France recognized that the
Toon Vos:thousands of geese that visited the Oostvaardersplassen needed
Toon Vos:both open water — to graze the reeds — and open grasslands — to
Toon Vos:rest during their molting period.
Frans Vera:So I said, you'll have to add an area of
Frans Vera:grasslands to the marshy area, because those two parts are
Frans Vera:complimentary for the functioning of the ecosystem as
Frans Vera:a whole. Because if we don't get it, the whole system will
Frans Vera:collapse.
Toon Vos:Artificially maintaining this marshy
Toon Vos:ecosystem would be an impossible task. But these hungry geese
Toon Vos:were offering to do it for free. So land managers needed a way to
Toon Vos:convince them to keep returning to the Oostvaardersplassen. That
Toon Vos:is, they needed to provide grasslands.
Frans Vera:My theory is if a cow can create grass, and then
Frans Vera:wild living oxen can do the same. So if you have wild oxen,
Frans Vera:you will have open grassland, which is very well for the
Frans Vera:geese.
Toon Vos:So Frans proposed an unusual way of creating
Toon Vos:grassland for the migratory geese of the
Oostvaardersplassen:Could wild herbivores be used to create new
Oostvaardersplassen:habitats for other species in an existing nature reserve? This
Oostvaardersplassen:was the trial by fire — the start of the experiments that
Oostvaardersplassen:will put the Oostvaardersplassen on the map.
Frans Vera:And I got permission then from the ministry and also
Frans Vera:from a National Forestry Service to buy wild oxen and wild
Frans Vera:horses. So we had two breeds —
Toon Vos:These two breeds are called Heck cattle and Konik
Toon Vos:horses,
Frans Vera:Which were not common known as dairy cattle or
Frans Vera:as riding horses. So then they were brought into the area and
Frans Vera:it worked. It worked!
Frans Vera:A large area of grassland developed. So, what the animals
Frans Vera:did is they created their own biotope.
Soundscape[Train intercom:
:Lelystad station]
Frans Vera:The classical theory: animals follow the
Frans Vera:succession. While my theory was animals drive the succession.
Frans Vera:Not all the animals, but the large herbivores. And they are
Frans Vera:essential in the functioning of ecosystems, and we just shut
Frans Vera:them out of the system.
Toon Vos:Frans realize that if large herbivores can steer the
Toon Vos:succession, what we imagined as natural — a dense, tree-laden
Toon Vos:forest — may have been the result of our removing the large
Toon Vos:grazers. Their absence allowed succession to proceed in a way
Toon Vos:that we now assume is inevitable. Meaning that the
Toon Vos:European forests of history may have looked fundamentally
Toon Vos:different than those that we know today.
Toon Vos:Here, Frans points to clues in the etymology of the modern word
Toon Vos:"forest", in a lecture from 2017.
Frans Vera:The word "foras" — Latin "foras": outside, without
Frans Vera:— as the origin of the word forestis, which we find in
Frans Vera:charters. We have charters going back to the sixth and seventh
Frans Vera:century, which were talking about a forestis, the origin of
Frans Vera:the word forest. And it had to do with Roman law. Roman law
Frans Vera:says what is outside the cultivated, and doesn't belong
Frans Vera:to anybody, belongs to the Emperor.
Toon Vos:In other words, the word forest doesn't refer to a
Toon Vos:place with many trees. It refers to a place that is uncultivated
Toon Vos:by people. And it wasn't the only word for a place without
Toon Vos:people
Frans Vera:And the wilderness and wild animals, they lived in
Frans Vera:what was deserted. That means uninhabited by people, and it
Frans Vera:was called the Desertum Regis — the Royal Desertum.
Toon Vos:What at one point was called "the Royal Desert" was
Toon Vos:Hallo hallo, goedemiddag [conversation continues in Dutch].
Toon Vos:also called the forest, both words referring to the same wild
Toon Vos:places. Over time, their meanings diverged. Until
Toon Vos:eventually, deserts were known to be hot and full of sand, and
Toon Vos:forests were places where trees blotted out sky. But Frans
Toon Vos:contended that so long as large herbivores roamed the forestis,
Toon Vos:their hooves and their teeth would have kept the wooded lands
Toon Vos:bright, open, and heterogenous and the Oostvaardersplassen will
Toon Vos:be the perfect case in points.
Toon Vos:This is ecologist Perry Cornelissen, who met me for a
Toon Vos:tour of the Oostvaardersplassen. After a coffee, we ventured into
Toon Vos:the natural reserve in a 4x4 from the Dutch Forestry Service.
Perry Cornelissen:We are now in front of the fence, the gate,
Perry Cornelissen:where the area starts where the large herbivores graze and where
Perry Cornelissen:people cannot go into. Alright, I will open the gate.
Toon Vos:This won't be the last time I have to cross a formal
Toon Vos:boundary to get into "the wild" for this episode. As we were
Toon Vos:driving into the Oostvaardersplassen, I noticed
Toon Vos:how many birds of prey were on the hunt. Normally, if you're
Toon Vos:lucky, while driving through the countryside, you might spot just
Toon Vos:one. But here, every couple of hundred meters, watchful eyes in
Toon Vos:the sky were scouring the ground for small rodents.
Perry Cornelissen:So now we are in the area where the large
Perry Cornelissen:herbivores are. We have three different species: cattle,
Perry Cornelissen:horses and red deer. And they were introduced in 1983. And we
Perry Cornelissen:started with a population of 18 Heck cattle and 20 horses, Konik
Perry Cornelissen:horses. And in 1992 also red deer were introduced and there
Perry Cornelissen:were 40 of them.
Toon Vos:These populations weren't managed directly. They
Toon Vos:were kept in check by the food supply, especially in winter.
Toon Vos:Nonetheless, after 20 years, the number of these large grazers
Toon Vos:went from dozens to over 5000.
Perry Cornelissen:So now we're entering a large group of Heck
Perry Cornelissen:cattle. What you also can see is that the great white egret is
Perry Cornelissen:between the large herbivores because when the large
Perry Cornelissen:herbivores graze, they disturb the fauna on the surface, so
Perry Cornelissen:these great white egrets are waiting for maybe amphibians or
Perry Cornelissen:voles to jump out of their holes and then they grab them.
Toon Vos:So they're hunting?
Perry Cornelissen:Yes.
Toon Vos:Amidst of the Heck cattle.
Perry Cornelissen:Yes.
Toon Vos:We can see how many would you say? About 100 cows?
Perry Cornelissen:Oh, this is a group of about, I think 60 or
Perry Cornelissen:70.
Toon Vos:And then about three, no, four, five, white great
Toon Vos:egrets are standing there.
Perry Cornelissen:There are more, some of them you can't
Perry Cornelissen:see, because the vegetation is too high. But you can see some
Perry Cornelissen:white spots everywhere. I think maybe 30 or 40 great white
Perry Cornelissen:egrets in the in the vegetation we can't see.
Toon Vos:Before the Oostvaardersplassen became a
Toon Vos:natural reserve, the great white egret was practically
Toon Vos:non-existent in the Netherlands. And here we are, driving around
Toon Vos:the former bottom of the sea, looking at dozens of them.
Toon Vos:Right now, we are looking at a big bull and he's, what is he
Toon Vos:doing?
Perry Cornelissen:These bulls, they live in small bull groups
Perry Cornelissen:in the area and we have about six of these bull groups. And in
Perry Cornelissen:their territory, they have the sandpits they make. And right
Perry Cornelissen:now one of these bulls is in his in sandpit and showing how
Perry Cornelissen:strong he is by scraping soil with his hooves and throwing it
Perry Cornelissen:in the air. And sometimes, they go with their horns into the
Perry Cornelissen:sandpit and scraping with their horns in the soil. And just to
Perry Cornelissen:show, look, I'm here the boss, I'm the biggest and strongest,
Perry Cornelissen:don't mess with me.
Toon Vos:This was the first time I'd ever seen cows in the
Toon Vos:wild. Sure, they were put there by people for a specific
Toon Vos:purpose, but they didn't wear ear tags, pregnant cows weren't
Toon Vos:being milked by humans, and bulls apparently liked to dig
Toon Vos:sandpits. These weren't the farm cows I was used to. After we
Toon Vos:visited the Heck cattle, we took a left which led us to the other
Toon Vos:side of the train tracks, which go through the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen. Originally, the train line was planned to
Toon Vos:make its way straight through the natural reserve. But a
Toon Vos:compromise was reached after protests from the climate
Toon Vos:movement, sparked by a report written by Frans Vera.
Toon Vos:Incidentally, the Dutch political mode that relies so
Toon Vos:heavily on compromising is affectionately called "the
Toon Vos:polder model". It was decided that the train line would take a
Toon Vos:slight detour, dubbed "the bathtub route", because of its
Toon Vos:shape, to avoid the heart of the natural reserve. The other side
Toon Vos:of the tracks, Perry told me, was a piece of the reserve where
Toon Vos:grazers hadn't been allowed for decades. Effectively, it served
Toon Vos:as a control plot for Frans' theories about large herbivores.
Toon Vos:The landscape we entered was the opposite of the wide open plains
Toon Vos:we drove through moments earlier. Instead, it was a mini
Toon Vos:jungle named the Kotterbos.
Adam Huggins:Everything is tiny, as you said, in the
Adam Huggins:Netherlands, you have a mini jungle. What does a mini jungle
Adam Huggins:look like?
Toon Vos:So now we're driving into an area, much more
Toon Vos:vegetation, there's shrubs, there's trees of different
Toon Vos:kinds, we are driving along a narrow path in the middle of it
Toon Vos:all. And this is the Kotterbos, a really big difference from
Toon Vos:what we were just seeing. All of a sudden, we are in between
Toon Vos:trees and shrubs, and we can't see all that far. So compared to
Toon Vos:what we were just seeing, the open plains, this landscape is
Toon Vos:the complete opposite. You wouldn't be able to walk through
here:there's nettles, there's reed, it probably wet too. So
here:you'll you'll get wet feet. I feel like, yeah, like you'd need
here:a machete to to make your way through.
Perry Cornelissen:In this landscape, you don't know what
Perry Cornelissen:will happen within ten meters [adds something in Dutch].
Toon Vos:Here, perry adds in Dutch that it was always
Toon Vos:exciting to go into the Kotterbos, but it was also a
Toon Vos:relief to make it out in one piece.
Adam Huggins:It is a jungle. Oh my god.
Toon Vos:The dense and chaotic Kotterbos and the grassy plains
Toon Vos:of the Oostvaardersplassen are two alternate realities of the
Toon Vos:same place. Their stark differences show just how much
Toon Vos:impact large grazers can have on a landscape.
Mendel Skulski:When we come back, the views from the train
Mendel Skulski:prompt this experiment to take a turn.
Mendel Skulski:Welcome back, my name is Mendel. This is Adam.
Adam Huggins:Hey, still waking up.
Mendel Skulski:This is Toon.
Toon Vos:Hey.
Mendel Skulski:And you are listening to Future Ecologies,
Mendel Skulski:where Toon is taking us on a tour of the Oostvaardersplassen.
Mendel Skulski:The site of an experiment that uprooted the science of
Mendel Skulski:ecosystem succession.
Toon Vos:And the person behind that experiment is Dutch
Toon Vos:ecologist Frans Vera. He told me that the geese hadn't been the
Toon Vos:only indicators of a different natural history in Europe. Oak
Toon Vos:trees also have a story to tell.
Frans Vera:And a forester will say an oak needs to be, as a
Frans Vera:seedling, with its head in full daylight
Toon Vos:For an oak to grow into an adult tree, it needs
Toon Vos:space and light. Pollen records show that oaks have been around
Toon Vos:in Europe since around 10,000 BCE. But there's one problem
here:oaks are not able to grow up in a closed canopy forest.
here:It's too dark. They do much better in an open landscape, or
here:something Frans called a "wood pasture", which consists of a
here:mosaic of grasslands, shrubs and trees.
Frans Vera:The moment you remove the large herbivores from
Frans Vera:wood pastures, it becomes a closed canopy forest. So there
Frans Vera:are a lot of former wood pastures in Europe, which were
Frans Vera:declared as nature reserves, or as a national park. And as a
Frans Vera:consequence, all the large herbivores were kicked out
Frans Vera:because they damage the nature.
Toon Vos:And then what happened?
Frans Vera:All the oaks disappeared. No regeneration of
Frans Vera:oak. They need light! So they all became forests dominated,
Frans Vera:totally dominated, by shade tolerant species.
Toon Vos:Those open wood pastures are loved by many
Toon Vos:famous 19th century painters. Their paintings of these
Toon Vos:park-like landscapes remain as a record of a kind of nature that
Toon Vos:is hard to recognize today. Majestic oak trees amidst a
Toon Vos:patchwork of grasses, shrubs, rocks and copses of trees. They
Toon Vos:don't look like the forests I know at all. More than anything,
Toon Vos:these artists wanted to protect the places that they found so
Toon Vos:beautiful. If only they could keep painting them forever.
Frans Vera:However, the tragedy is: they didn't know what were
Frans Vera:the conditions of the wood pasture, the conditions for
Frans Vera:those beautiful oak trees they painted. They said: "No! Keep
Frans Vera:away from it!" And that's also an idea all over in the world.
Frans Vera:If you withdraw as men, nature rebounds back to her original
Frans Vera:state, which she doesn't. Because you have taken her
Frans Vera:limbs, you have taken her arms, you make them cripple, because
Frans Vera:you killed all the larger herbivores, and then you say,
Frans Vera:"walk again". Of course not.
Toon Vos:Ironically, by removing the large grazers from
Toon Vos:the landscape, the so-called "reserves artistiques", or
Toon Vos:artistic natural reserves, lost the trees that made them famous.
Toon Vos:According to Frans, the home of the oak was a landscape that we
Toon Vos:barely know anymore. The forests of the past were not endless
Toon Vos:collections of trees, but endless collections of biotopes
Toon Vos:alternating each other. Homes to mosses, that prefer to cool and
Toon Vos:humid shade under the tree canopy, but also to insects,
Toon Vos:scouring for flowers in the broad daylight. Large grazers
Toon Vos:for putting the brakes on succession. And similarly, their
Toon Vos:grazing was subject to a system of checks and balances too. For
Toon Vos:an oak to make it to adulthood, a lot needs to go according to
Toon Vos:plan. Its acorns need to be picked up by a jay, who will
Toon Vos:hide them, amongst other places, in thorny shrubs for later. Like
Toon Vos:in the brambles of species like blackthorn or hawthorn. There,
Toon Vos:the oak saplings are protected from large herbivores, while
Toon Vos:still receiving ample daylight. Thorny shrubs made sure that the
Toon Vos:grazers couldn't fully prevent regeneration.
Frans Vera:And in fact, those thorny species are natural
Frans Vera:barbed wire. So what every forester does now — getting
Frans Vera:barbed wire around the tree to protect — it was already in
Frans Vera:nature. But nobody sees it anymore!
Toon Vos:The experiment at the Oostvaardersplassen was all
Toon Vos:about seeing what would happen if large herbivores were
Toon Vos:introduced back into the mix, not to recreate the pictureque
Toon Vos:paintings of the past, but to find out how the landscape would
Toon Vos:change. But how it would play out in reality, that's a
Toon Vos:different story. Once again, here's Koen, the nature writer
Toon Vos:and researcher from the top of the episode,
Koen Arts:It started off as an ecological experiment. And it
Koen Arts:became a bit of a social experiment. So ecologically,
Koen Arts:there are super interesting things that have happened here,
Koen Arts:all kinds of interesting species that thrive on the kind of
Koen Arts:management that was there. So that part of the ecology, you
Koen Arts:could say has been a success. So we're talking about rewilding,
Koen Arts:maybe if you want to use that term, or a new wilderness with
Koen Arts:minimal human intervention. But the problems came slowly as non
Koen Arts:intervention also meant no population control. And what has
Koen Arts:happened over the years is that large grazers have proliferated.
Koen Arts:And this leads to a very difficult scene, sometimes in
Koen Arts:harsh winters, when there's a lack of food, and we see a lot
Koen Arts:of animals die. Now, of course, dying of animals is something
Koen Arts:that belongs, that's part and parcel of nature and of nature
Koen Arts:conservation. But usually in the Netherlands, when large amounts
Koen Arts:of animals die, we don't see that.
Toon Vos:Here, Koen refers to wild animals in the other bigger
Toon Vos:natural areas in the Netherlands, but his words are
Toon Vos:just as true for the agricultural industry. The
Toon Vos:Netherlands, a country of 17 million people, is a home to 3.8
Toon Vos:million cows, 12 million pigs, and more than 100 million
Toon Vos:chickens, whose deaths are simply accepted as a part of our
Toon Vos:identity as an agricultural export country.
Adam Huggins:Can I go back and we maybe we just glossed over
Adam Huggins:it, but like, you've created this small wilderness, right?
Adam Huggins:First, it was just bare soil, you added plants, and then some
Adam Huggins:of the animals invited themselves. And then you add
Adam Huggins:grazers. And you're missing the large predators. Why were the
Adam Huggins:large predators never added?
Toon Vos:Well, first of all, we didn't have them at the time.
Toon Vos:Now, the wolf came in from Germany, and has been around in
Toon Vos:the Netherlands and Belgium for for a while now, which is
Toon Vos:exciting. But at the time, they figured that large herbivores
Toon Vos:are controlled by food supply,
Adam Huggins:Which we would call bottom up control. But not
Adam Huggins:top down control, which would be the predators.
Toon Vos:But Frans added to that, that those predators
Toon Vos:wouldn't have gone after the large cattle anyways. Now, of
Toon Vos:course, you can kind of look at the ecology of fear and what
Toon Vos:that will do to populations. But that's where they were at, at
Toon Vos:the time. Now, land managers say, it's only a matter of time
Toon Vos:before wolves make their way into the Oostvaardersplassen.
Adam Huggins:So what you're saying is that they both didn't
Adam Huggins:have the predators at the time to include, and they also didn't
Adam Huggins:think that they were necessary. Is that right?
Toon Vos:Yeah, that sounds about right. But what made the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen stand out, is that the animals that died
Toon Vos:there are simply visible, no longer concealed from the public
Toon Vos:eye.
Adam Huggins:Oh, people could see them from the trains going
Adam Huggins:by?
Mendel Skulski:From the rim of the bathtub!
Koen Arts:So what happened is, we saw looking out over the
Koen Arts:area, we saw animals dying. And this was very painful in many
Koen Arts:different ways, not only just for the animals, but also for
Koen Arts:people who felt they had a connection with the animals. And
Koen Arts:it is very strange to think that there is a Konik horse on this
Koen Arts:side of the dike, which can't find any food. And you can see
Koen Arts:it's getting slimmer and slimmer to the point where it just can't
Koen Arts:really live anymore in a way it should, and it will die in
Koen Arts:winter. And then, 200 meters on the other side of dike, there's
Koen Arts:maybe a pony in a meadow, and it's being fed by its owner. And
Koen Arts:that is what we assume a fairly happy pony.
Toon Vos:Koen says that people in Western societies struggle
Toon Vos:when discussing death. Because of its taboo status, we tend to
Toon Vos:ignore it, until it's staring us in the face. For example, on
Toon Vos:social media,
Koen Arts:Where, for instance, an image of a dying horse could
Koen Arts:go viral very quickly, and would invite lots of people to comment
Koen Arts:on that.
Toon Vos:By 2017, it got to the point where activists began
Toon Vos:throwing bales of hay over the fences of the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen for the animals to eat. Dutch society
Toon Vos:couldn't make up its mind what to think about our so called
Toon Vos:wilderness and its management style of "less is more". The
Toon Vos:experiment that was all about our non-intervention for an
Toon Vos:indefinite amount of time, was cut short in 2018, starting with
Toon Vos:the culling of the large grazers down to about one-fifth of their
Toon Vos:original population.
Mendel Skulski:Down to one-fifth. Like culling 80%.
Adam Huggins:Wow, that's an incredibly dramatic
Adam Huggins:intervention.
Toon Vos:Yeah, they're still working on it actually, they're
Toon Vos:not done.
Mendel Skulski:Oh my God.
Toon Vos:Leading up to the policy change, the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen was often in the news, and even being thought
Toon Vos:of is pretty controversial. Precisely because of its policy
Toon Vos:of non-intervention and the animals that were dying because
Toon Vos:of it. For Frans, and many others involved in the natural
Toon Vos:park, the growing unrest was frightening. They received
Toon Vos:threats, and were portrayed as sadistic animal killers.
Frans Vera:I got threats. I got death threats. They even
Frans Vera:threatened to kill my grandchildren, because, they
Frans Vera:said, you have to change your opinion about the
Frans Vera:Oostvaardersplassen publicly.
Toon Vos:Some people compared Frans to Nazi leaders like
Toon Vos:Hitler or Mengele. It was a dark time, and I could feel the
Toon Vos:impact it had on him during our conversation.
Toon Vos:But despite the mudslinging France work on large grazers was
Toon Vos:being applied more and more throughout the Netherlands,
Toon Vos:herbivores were being introduced or reintroduced in many places
Toon Vos:to become an integrated part of the ecosystem. But there would
Toon Vos:be a major difference with the Oostvaardersplassen. In other
Toon Vos:places, the grazing population would be tightly controlled by
Toon Vos:humans rather than food supply. Frans' grazers were in high
Toon Vos:demand throughout the Netherlands, but the most
Toon Vos:integral part of his theory — letting nature run its course —
Toon Vos:would be permanently sidelined in the favor of culling.
Toon Vos:I wanted to see how Frans' ideas were being applied elsewhere in
Toon Vos:the Netherlands. So I met up with science and biology
Toon Vos:journalist Gemma Venhuizen, who is the co-host of one of my
Toon Vos:favorite Dutch science podcasts "Onbehaarde Apen".
Toon Vos:Hello.
Gemma Venhuizen:Hi! [introductions in Dutch]
Toon Vos:In one episode, she mentioned that she used to be a
Toon Vos:volunteer as an assistant ranger at another Dutch nature reserve
Toon Vos:called Kraansvlak. We met up in the dunes of the North Sea on a
Toon Vos:very windy day. We were about to embark on a search for an animal
Toon Vos:I had never seen before. An animal that almost disappeared
Toon Vos:off the face of the earth in the early 20th century. But first,
Toon Vos:we needed to climb the electric wire that is supposed to keep
Toon Vos:the wilderness inside of this nature reserve. This is the
Toon Vos:Netherlands after all.
Adam Huggins:Can't let the wilderness out, God forbid!
Toon Vos:Well, we have to climb to get in?
Gemma Venhuizen:Yes, you have to get over the fence because of
Gemma Venhuizen:course, the European bison stay still live in an enclosure.
Gemma Venhuizen:Well, shall I?
Toon Vos:Yeah.
Gemma Venhuizen:Shall I go in first?
Toon Vos:Yeah you can go in first, we'll see if it's safe!
Toon Vos:European bison, or wisenten, as we say in Dutch, are the largest
Toon Vos:land-dwelling animals on the European continent. They are
Toon Vos:related to North American bison, but have a smaller hump on their
Toon Vos:back and they stand a bit higher on their feet. Sadly, they went
Toon Vos:extinct in the wild in 1919. After the ancient oxen and
Toon Vos:horses of Europe, known as aurochs and tarpans, another
Toon Vos:large herbivore bit the dust. Or did it?
Mendel Skulski:Or did it?!
Gemma Venhuizen:In 1929, they started with the reproduction
Gemma Venhuizen:program.
Toon Vos:breeding bison in captivity,
Gemma Venhuizen:and in 1952, in Białowieża, I hope I pronounced
Gemma Venhuizen:it correctly,
Toon Vos:a town in Poland known for its old growth forest,
Gemma Venhuizen:the first bison out of that program was
Gemma Venhuizen:reintroduced into nature. And then in 2007, so then the first
Gemma Venhuizen:bisons came here to the Netherlands.
Adam Huggins:I guess I'm just trying to picture this. So you
Adam Huggins:snuck in past some electric wire to like a dune area, to see
Adam Huggins:bison.
Toon Vos:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:Is that Is that right? What are we looking at
Adam Huggins:here?
Toon Vos:That's right. I mean, it's funny, you should talk
Toon Vos:about pictures, because they actually have a beautiful
Toon Vos:website with very carefully curated pictures. The Dutch are
Toon Vos:very proud of their bison. Also, we didn't sneak past the
Toon Vos:electric wire. No, no, no, there was a neat plaque that explained
Toon Vos:us the ground rules.
Adam Huggins:I see. Oh, my God. Okay, I'm looking at pictures of
Adam Huggins:them right now.
Toon Vos:Did you find it, the Dutch website?
Adam Huggins:Yes. This is a bunch of bison out on on like, a
Adam Huggins:bunch of sand. You know, you were talking about the desert
Adam Huggins:earlier. Looks a little bit like that.
Toon Vos:What you can't see on the picture is that the Formula
Toon Vos:One track is right next to it.
Adam Huggins:Everything is tiny.
Toon Vos:Everything is tiny. And one thing I think is really
Toon Vos:interesting about the Kraansvlak in comparison to the
Toon Vos:Oostvaardersplassen, is that it's here that Frans' theories
Toon Vos:about large herbivores get applied to an epic narrative
Toon Vos:about a species brought back from the brink of extinction.
Toon Vos:And this story of resurrection would prove to resonate deeply
Toon Vos:with the Dutch public.
Adam Huggins:It's certainly a lot sexier than watching horses
Adam Huggins:die from the train.
Toon Vos:Following a similar logic as the large grazers in
Toon Vos:the Oostvaardersplassen, the European bison were introduced
Toon Vos:to help maintain the coastal landscape and put the brakes on
Toon Vos:succession. Gemma and I looked long and hard to see if we could
Toon Vos:spot them.
Toon Vos:Haha! [excited murmuring]
Gemma Venhuizen:Oh, wait.
Toon Vos:Are we seeing bison or cows?
Gemma Venhuizen:Yeah, well, first I thought it was. Oh, this
Gemma Venhuizen:is kind of a deception. And I'm also kind of ashamed because I
Gemma Venhuizen:was like, having this exclamation like, Oh, we're
Gemma Venhuizen:seeing them! But now I have a closer look, these are just the
Gemma Venhuizen:Scottish Highlanders.
Toon Vos:No luck finding European bison in the dunes this
Toon Vos:time. Quite a disappointment after scrolling through all
Toon Vos:those photos on the Kraansvlak website in anticipation. These
Toon Vos:animals have become icons of untamed nature in the Dutch
Toon Vos:consciousness. It is striking how these large herbivores are
Toon Vos:loved and celebrated, delicately managed, so we only see their
Toon Vos:best side. Their population is controlled —
Adam Huggins:Right, so you're not gonna accidentally come
Adam Huggins:across one starving to death on the side of the train tracks or
Adam Huggins:anything like that.
Toon Vos:No, you're not. In the Netherlands, every patch of
Toon Vos:nature comes with a list somewhere, telling managers how
Toon Vos:big the population should be. No herbivore lives in our country
Toon Vos:without our permission. And when you enter the Kraansvlak
Toon Vos:reserve, there is a sign that lays down the ground rules:
Toon Vos:"Keep your distance from the animals and stay on the path!"
Toon Vos:Are these the ground rules to all of nature in the
Toon Vos:Netherlands?
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:"Wat is natuur nog in dit land?"
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:What is nature in his country, anyway?
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:Koen says that although only small chunks of the Netherlands
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:are reserved for nature, the Dutch public have generally been
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:enthusiastic about this so-called rewilding. This has
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:resulted in large symbolic accomplishments, like
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:reintroducing European bison as a steward of the dunes. But for
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:Koen, the future of nature conservation starts much
As the poet JC Bloem once said:
:smaller.
Adam Huggins:Smaller. Of course, it does. This is the
Adam Huggins:Netherlands!
Toon Vos:Yeah, exactly. Not only do we put physical fences
Toon Vos:between humans and nature, but we fence ourselves off
Toon Vos:conceptually as well. After all, the forestis was defined as
Toon Vos:wherever humans aren't. Koen wrote a book about his own
Toon Vos:experiment that he did with his wife, Gina, in an attempt to
Toon Vos:begin to tear down these fences in their own lives. At the time,
Toon Vos:they were both working in the field of nature conservation,
Toon Vos:but were mostly stuck behind their desks, inside. So, they
Toon Vos:decided to have a Wild Jaar — a "wild year".
Koen Arts:A Wild Year for us was trying to reconnect with
Koen Arts:nature, but not by going abroad going to the woods of Canada or
Koen Arts:Alaska or, you know, going on Expedition for a year. No, a
Koen Arts:Wild Year was for us, trying to find wildness in a land without
Koen Arts:wilderness. So we set one simple rule: we said "Okay, can we
Koen Arts:spend more time outside and inside on a daily basis?" Which,
Koen Arts:you know, clearly means at least 12 hours on average. And we also
Koen Arts:said "We should do this in every season of the year"
Toon Vos:Koen and Gina didn't want to disengage from their
Toon Vos:everyday lives, or turn their back on society. They wanted to
Toon Vos:spend lots of time outside while living their life as they would
Toon Vos:have otherwise. And so they started camping in Koen's
Toon Vos:parents' backyard in autumn, and managed to spend more time
Toon Vos:outside than inside for more than a year — as a way to
Toon Vos:reconnect with nature.
Koen Arts:So if you think of nature conservation as a thing
Koen Arts:that you do from a managerial point of view, and this is in
Koen Arts:essence, what we see in the Netherlands and many other
Koen Arts:countries — it's... it's a technical thing. But for me, it
Koen Arts:starts with a fascination for nature, human fascination, and a
Koen Arts:sense... an ethical sense that we need to protect biodiversity;
Koen Arts:we need to protect species; we need to have areas still, that
Koen Arts:are essentially non human, you know, where our natural
Koen Arts:autonomy, or the self will of land, of animals, of plants is
Koen Arts:present
Toon Vos:Koen and Gina's wild year affirms that you can find
Toon Vos:wildness in a country without wilderness. Their experience
Toon Vos:reminded them of why they got into the field of nature
Toon Vos:conservation in the first place, and drove home the point that
Toon Vos:experiencing nature in any way you can, makes you feel more
Toon Vos:passionate about caring for it.
Adam Huggins:You know, Toon, you brought up the term
Adam Huggins:"rewilding" earlier, which I think is commonly used in
Adam Huggins:Europe, you know, instead of the term "restoration" or something
Adam Huggins:like that, right? Rewilding.
Adam Huggins:And it strikes me from the experience of this couple that
Adam Huggins:we've been talking about rewilding as something that we
Adam Huggins:do to the land right? We, like, rewild this polder, we rewild
Adam Huggins:the section of land, and then you know, we fence it off to
Adam Huggins:keep keep the wilderness inside, right? And it strikes me that
Adam Huggins:this couple, it's like they're... they're experimenting
Adam Huggins:with rewilding themselves. Maybe rewilding is not something that
Adam Huggins:we do to the land right, but something that we participate
Adam Huggins:in?
Toon Vos:Yeah, I think Koen would agree in the sense that he
Toon Vos:says that it's mindset first.
Koen Arts:By and large, nature for us is something that is away
Koen Arts:from us. And those demarcations are super strong in the
Koen Arts:Netherlands.
Toon Vos:After meeting Koen I downloaded a time tracker on my
Toon Vos:phone to find out just how much time I spent outside. Turns out
Toon Vos:that it's not really close to 50% per day. Even though we have
Toon Vos:never met in person, Adam and Mendel, what percentage of my
Toon Vos:time would you guess I spent outside of the past three
Toon Vos:months?
Adam Huggins:You look outgoing and outdoorsy... um what about
Adam Huggins:20%?
Adam Huggins:20%. Mendel?
Mendel Skulski:I think you might be a little bit more like
Mendel Skulski:me that you spend a lot of time I'm thinking about nature, but
Mendel Skulski:in reality, you're inside working. I'm going to go with
Mendel Skulski:12%.
Toon Vos:Fair. More like 7%
Mendel Skulski:Oh, wow. I'm afraid to try to figure this out
Mendel Skulski:for myself.
Toon Vos:And I too consider myself a fairly outdoorsy person
Toon Vos:who goes for walks a lot and goes to places in the weekends
Toon Vos:that are outside.
Mendel Skulski:Oh my god, I think it'd be sobering if I
Mendel Skulski:actually tried to clock all my outdoor hours. Embarrassing
Mendel Skulski:even.
Adam Huggins:We could try it for the next couple of weeks,
Adam Huggins:Mendel.
Toon Vos:It's a pretty fun experience, because once you
Toon Vos:become aware of it, you will take the outdoorsy option more
Toon Vos:often. And this was also something that happened when I
Toon Vos:interviewed Koen. He's like "you want to do the interview
Toon Vos:outside?"
Mendel Skulski:{Laughs]
Toon Vos:And I just hadn't... I hadn't prepared for it. But I
Toon Vos:should have known — this guy wrote a book about it, you know?
Toon Vos:Letting nature go its own way in the Oostvaardersplassen sounds
Toon Vos:very not Dutch to me. The nature that I encountered while I was
Toon Vos:growing up was always tidy and organized. My family and I used
Toon Vos:to visit the same camping site every year. Between the
Toon Vos:different fields, where visitors would pitch a tent or set up
Toon Vos:their camper van, were little patches of woodlands. In the
Toon Vos:middle of them, the owner of the campsite installed what he
called "animal highways":long snaking heaps of tree branches
called "animal highways":and trimmings for rodents and other animals to seek refuge in.
called "animal highways":His animal highways were an imitation of the inherent chaos
called "animal highways":in nature. But using whatever was left of the woodland
called "animal highways":maintenance done to keep things organized and neat.
called "animal highways":With this, in the back of my mind, it seems like the
called "animal highways":Oostvaardersplassen was ahead of its time. It seemed like a small
called "animal highways":miracle that the Dutch government was willing to give
called "animal highways":it a shot in the first place. But there was a lot of pressure
called "animal highways":for things to go well. The Oostvaardersplassen needed to do
called "animal highways":everything just right. It needed to please every side of the
called "animal highways":debate.
called "animal highways":Many had hoped that putting large grazers on the landscape
called "animal highways":would create a mosaic — a patchwork of biotopes: the
called "animal highways":park-like landscapes of Europe's past. But, perhaps because of
called "animal highways":the lack of predators, or the lack of political will to create
called "animal highways":green corridors with other nature reserves, we instead got
called "animal highways":a savannah.
called "animal highways":Yet, the ripples of the Oostvaardersplassen have been
called "animal highways":felt outside of the Netherlands. In the UK, Isabella Tree and
called "animal highways":Charlie Burrell had inherited Knepp estate: a castle, a large
called "animal highways":piece of agricultural land, and the farming business that went
called "animal highways":along with it. No matter what they tried, traditional farming
called "animal highways":at Knepp was losing money year after year. They wanted a way
called "animal highways":out. And so they got in touch with Frans in the early 2000s.
Frans Vera:And then they decided we are going to rewild
Frans Vera:Knepp castle. So they stopped agriculture. And they had a
Frans Vera:tremendous development. It's now the hotspot for nightingales.
Frans Vera:It's the hotspot for the Emperor butterfly. It's the hotspot for
Frans Vera:all kinds of bird species, which are everywhere in United
Frans Vera:Kingdom, though going down.
Toon Vos:It's important to mention here that the population
Toon Vos:of grazers at Knepp is being managed. Excess animals are
Toon Vos:culled and sold as wild range meat. The meat selling endeavors
Toon Vos:are an integral part of their business model. Still, the
Toon Vos:project is seen as controversial: a subversion of
Toon Vos:their neighbors' well-maintained farmlands. Some see
Toon Vos:unpredictable chaos. Others see a kind of magic in its dynamism.
Toon Vos:Isabella Tree wrote a book, Wilding, about their journey
Toon Vos:rewilding Knepp. She quotes Frans saying "Open up the box,
Toon Vos:allow natural processes to develop, give species a wider
Toon Vos:scope to express themselves and you get a very different
Toon Vos:picture. This is what the Oostvaardersplassen is all about
Toon Vos:— minimal intervention, letting nature reveal herself. And the
Toon Vos:result is an environment we know nothing about."
Toon Vos:So where does this leave us? How can we protect an environment we
Toon Vos:know nothing about? As those dreamy 19th century painters
Toon Vos:showed, loving something is not the same as taking good care of
Toon Vos:it. Their static utopia was doomed by their refusal to
Toon Vos:accept it as a dynamic system. There's truth in the saying that
Toon Vos:if you love something, let it go. Only when you dare to
Toon Vos:release your hold, when you truly accept other beings as
Toon Vos:being their own selves, will a relationship begin to flourish.
Toon Vos:As contentious as the Oostvaardersplassen is, I feel
Toon Vos:like the experiment has been successful in many different
Toon Vos:ways. Looking at the large grazers now populating natural
Toon Vos:reserves in the Netherlands, messy nature becoming more
Toon Vos:widely accepted, and Knepp estate, whose business is
Toon Vos:thriving around their rewilding projects, it's clear to me that
Toon Vos:this bold experiment has shaken up the field of nature
Toon Vos:conservation. It showed the potential of spaces dismissed as
Toon Vos:throwaway biotopes — that even the former bottom of the sea can
Toon Vos:develop itself into a sprawling haven for wildlife. That amidst
Toon Vos:all of the destruction, new things can and do emerge.
Mendel Skulski:Next time on Future Ecologies, we're jumping
back across the pond:exploring the very different lineage of
back across the pond:wildlife and wilderness in North America, where space is
back across the pond:plentiful, and colonization is in the not so distant past.
Toon Vos:This episode was produced by me, Toon Vos.
Mendel Skulski:And me Mendel Skulski.
Toon Vos:With help from Adam Huggins and Lili Li.
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Mendel Skulski:For photos from Toon's adventures, citations,
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Mendel Skulski:Toon and I also wrote a different version of this story
Mendel Skulski:for Are We Europe magazine. You can catch that in Issue #15: The
Mendel Skulski:Lie of the Land.
Toon Vos:This episode featured the voices of Koen Arts, Frans
Toon Vos:Vera, Perry Cornelissen, and Gemma Venhuizen.
Mendel Skulski:And with music by Francesca Vincentie, Museum
Mendel Skulski:of No Art, César Franck, Vincent van Haaff, and Sunfish Moon
Mendel Skulski:Light
Toon Vos:Special thanks to Penny Green, Isabella Tree,
Toon Vos:Charlie Burrell, and Gina Maffey.
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Toon Vos:Okay, is that it?
Mendel Skulski:That's it. Have fun outside.