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In this encouraging episode, Jane Lewis, a teacher and healer specializing in Huna, shares her transformative journey from battling clinical depression to finding lasting mental well-being through the teachings of the ancient Hawaiians. The discussion explores the comprehensive nature of Huna, emphasizing its power in resolving internal conflicts and creating positive change, while also touching on the intersection of ancient wisdom and modern science in shaping our perceptions of reality.
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Hi and welcome to the You World Order Showcase podcast. Today we are speaking with Jane Lewis. Jane is a teacher, coach, mentor and healer who helps people find the fastest routes to deep mental, emotional and sometimes even physical healing using a set of teachings called Huna, the Secret Spiritual healing.
::And life teachings of the ancient Hawaiians. Welcome to the show, Jane. I'm so excited to learn more about this.
::Thank you so much.
::It's a pleasure to be here.
::So tell us your story. How did you get started?
::Did you always know these ancient teachings?
::No, no. They're on the other side of the planet from where I live because I'm based in the UK and they're from Hawaii. No, it started with clinical depression. I had clinical depression in my 40s.
::And I looked around for different alternatives, alternative ways to healing, and I tried a number of psychodrama and you name it, I tried.
::Did didn't really get on with them. I didn't want to take the drugs because I'd had Valium when I was a kid and it didn't go well. And somebody told me about NLP neurolinguistic programming.
::So I found an NLP school and I liked them. I studied with them.
::And they taught a number of things, including hypnosis as well as NLP, and this thing called Huna. Which what's that? And then they started to do demos and teaching a little bit from Huna And I thought, oh, that's nice. I like that. And then I realized that I could go to Hawaii to study it.
::And I mean, you know what, what could you possibly say, particularly since it was one of the places in Polynesia had never been to and I'm a bit of an Elvis fan on the on the side and I figured I could make it tax deductible.
::If it's better.
::So why wouldn't you? So I went and I was only going to go once just to just to see what it was like.
::And check out Hawaii and.
::And that was back in 99.
::And I thought I'll.
::Come back one more time. There's a few things, a few pieces that are missing. So I went back one more time and I think I've been now 41 Times Now. It's more than that, actually. So I usually go twice a year. Didn't go during COVID cause we weren't allowed into the States because we were too diseased.
::We were too diseased and didn't want to let anybody know.
::So, uh. So yeah. So that's how I that's how I started with it. And I always say that NLP really started the process of me moving out of depression. It gave me the ability to really look at my thoughts and my thought patterns and get control of my thinking.
::But it's Huna that's kept me out. Uh, when I saw the psychiatrist and got the diagnosis, she said Ohh, she said.
::Depression, clinical depression, she said. It's like heart attacks. Once you have it once, you'll probably get it again. And that was in 1997, I think 1998. And I haven't had it again, so it's worked.
::And then started teaching in 2005 in Hawaii.
::I think.
::You're yeah, you're teaching.
::Now and yeah, because you taught Donna.
::Who? Whose episode you will have listened to by this time because.
::I had interviewed her yesterday.
::So she is a lovely lady.
::When it.
::I lost my train of thought. I hate it when that happens.
::Clinical depression in the in the 90s, the late 90s, there weren't. There weren't a whole lot of options in fact.
::It was it.
::Was kind of a time when.
::He just, like, went to the doctor and whatever the doctor said, that's what you did.
::In instead of today where?
::You know you.
::First you Google.
::It and you scare yourself half to death and then you go to the doctor and you, you try to tell him a thing or two and then they tell you get away from Google.
::But we've moved to a point where there's a lot of different modalities out there to help people that are struggling with depression and you know, just as a safety note, anybody who is struggling with depression that's listening to us do seek medical attention. There's.
::There are help lines available for people that are.
::Are in clinical depression and need help. Don't suffer with it and help is available. OK, so that's we're not doctors.
::I think the other.
::Thing to say is that I mean in the 90s it was still shameful mental health, any kind of mental health issues were shameful.
::And the wonderful thing is that there isn't the shame around it. Now you can, you know, you can confidently go to go to go and seek medical help. Whether you choose to take it to a doctor.
::But you know, I chose, I chose not to go down the pharmaceutical route. But that was my personal choice. It wasn't necessarily the recommended choice for me.
::Yeah, but now we have we can seek medical help and we can get medical intervention if we need it, you know, sometimes.
::A pharmaceutical intervention is really the best decision for critical.
::Critical change. A quick critical change versus you know the alternative with just.
::Sometimes death because you know, people just get trapped in these thoughts and they're not real, that we weren't really exploring whether things were real or not in the 90s.
::And our thoughts create our reality.
::I mean that.
::How we think about things and reframe things can really change the trajectory of our lives and surprisingly quickly.
::Well, that's when.
::NLP was so helpful for me because it got me to look at the way that I thought about myself, in particular the world in. Yeah, but particularly how I thought about myself.
::And the more I turned my lens on that and found and discovered that, yeah, I had some pretty negative thoughts and that I could change them because nobody ever told me I could change them. No how. And then also, it's like you can change them. And this is how. Wow.
::Right.
::You just.
::I know this is going to be super simplified.
::But it worked for me and it.
::Was just I.
::The idea that I had permission to change the way I thought about things I can immerse appears this. Tell yourself a better lie and I just love that.
::It's like, you know, they're.
::All lies. It doesn't.
::We all.
::Perceive things differently. The same event we will perceive differently. So.
::You can make up whatever you want around it. I choose these days to make it, you know, great. It's a great experience.
::It's all.
::Even if I, even if you walk away all banged up and bruised, it doesn't matter. Still tell yourself it was great and I got these great trophies.
::Look at those.
::Which sounds silly on the outside, but you know for your mental health, it does wonders.
::It does, yeah. And you know.
::Take it till you make it.
::It works. It certainly worked for me anyway.
::Yeah. So, Tommy, what, what is Huna? I get. It's like the teachings of the ancient Hawaiians. But, I mean, how would you get involved with it?
::And what?
::Kinds of things. Does it include?
::So it's a.
::Very complete system it's you can.
::You know, if you if you pull apart any spiritual system or many spiritual systems, you'll find different components, particularly if you're looking at the indigenous, the indigenous teachings of around the world. So Huna has, we don't.
::We don't work.
::With herbs very much, but there is a herbal side.
::There's a faith healing side.
::Right. There's we work with prayer and we work with different ways of releasing old emotions. Anger, sadness, fear, guilt, which have been suppressed for a long time. We do, and stress ancestral.
::If I could say ancestral.
::Karmic past life healing work. We do dream time. We chant. So we have a very ohh and we have a huge and we have a an energy system and then a lineage around energy.
::Kind of similar to Reiki but different. But Reiki is the nearest parallel. If people heard of anything they've heard of Reiki very powerful comes from the highest feminine, the highest feminine energy on the planet.
::So it's very.
::So it's a very complete system that enables you to develop spiritually, mentally, emotionally, even physically. I mean, from a Hawaiian, from a Polynesian point of.
::There's no difference between spirituality and yourself. We're all spiritual beings. We're all spiritual.
::So they don't have some of the same hang ups that we often do in.
::The West about oh.
::I'm not sure if I'm spiritual and is that spiritual, and do I want to be spiritual? We're just spiritual beings. Get over it. So yeah, there's healing work done.
::Using connection with source using the energy of source and it's brilliant for all manner of transformation. So you develop the spiritual self spiritual consciousness, but also getting rid of baggage.
::That has been holding you back or that is upsetting or that makes you angry hot upon all forgiveness. Big part of Luna.
::And how does that forgiveness?
::So hot upon his forgiveness of others, really.
::And a lot of people, if people have heard of it, often they've heard of it through Joe Vitale. There's as many different versions of hot upon as the probably are Hawaiian families in the islands. So it's not that one way is right. And one way is wrong. They're just different ways of different ways of teaching it.
::But hot upon a generally is forgiving others self forgiveness. The tools and techniques for removing anger, sadness, fear, guilt, shame. Take out shame and actually a lot of the work of self forgiveness is done.
::That's the difference between hot, opinion, forgiving others. And as I said, the other side which is self forgiveness and.
::I just helped my clients release shame and do a few other, a few other exercises, which sort of Huna based but maybe not too much. We work a lot with the.
::And in the honor system, but the lineage that I teach and have studied, which is an old lineage, goes back over 100 generations, which makes it that we can trace and we can trace it.
::Our kumia.
::The teacher, the head of.
::The lineage, if you like.
::The keeper of the lineage.
::He's done the research in the Bishop Museum.
::In in, in.
::Online. Yeah. Bishop Museum, because it's all now. It's all now online.
::And we can trace.
::The lineage back over 100 generations, so we're talking at least 2000 years.
::In terms of how back how far back these teachings go. So it's not, it's not new, it's really not new and there is a lot in the lineage to do with the elements. So we have 5 elements in this in our lineage anyway air fire.
::Water, Earth and spirit.
::In the Hawaiian system, they have metal and wood. Sorry. In the Chinese system they have metal and wood. The Hawaiians didn't have metal. There is no metal.
::In the Hawaiian ground, so metal was would never be an element for them.
::To different systems around the world, but that's the Hawaiian one. And we do a lot of work. We do a lot of work helping people learn how to utilise the elements for their own development, utilise the elements for their own transform.
::Nation and for healing work. And we teach them, right, right off the bat we teach them how to heal others using the elements to heal others. So we also treat, teach dream interpretation. It includes great, great process for resolving internal.
::Conflicts so hot upon aponia will help you resolve external conflicts. Conflicts with other people.
::The what we call the chive process is a process for resolving internal conflicts, and in fact I was running, I was running a call last night a webinar last night taking people through the Kiev process and they were quite.
::Shocked to find how quickly and easily and profoundly, it worked. So these tools and techniques they do people are people always like.
::I can't believe that happened so quick.
::And you.
::You sure it's gone?
::It's gone unless.
::You choose to recreate it so the process is because they use the energy of higher self. The energy of sauce. The processes work really fast.
::You said something very interesting there. Unless you choose to recreate it. Because we have so much power. And when you talk about shame, shame is the prism we create ourselves.
::There, there might have been a time when we let other people create that cage for us, but it always starts with us how we project ourselves is what we're going to get back.
::In a lot of cases.
::And if.
::In different times, if weakness was perceived, you would perish. But it you really can.
::Create your own reality and.
::You can change the reality around you by shifting what you think about.
::Situations like it goes back to when we were talking about.
::You create your own reality, but.
::You can choose to perceive things however you wish to perceive them. Tell yourself a better lie.
::If you've been telling yourself.
::That a situation was horrible and terrible, and you were the victim and it was awful. And there was all the shame and all this.
::Other stuff attached.
::To it and then.
::Other people were involved in the situation and they looked at it differently.
::If you change how you perceive it.
::It changes how they perceived it too.
::There's science behind that one. It's so interesting. So you really can time travel.
::Yes you can.
::Or you travel at different timelines I guess.
::I mean, I love the fact that that you know so much, so many of the ideas of the ancients, the teachings of the ancients.
::UM.
::Modern science is now is now proving them. Basically is now is now demonstrating that they are.
::That they that they, they have a solid basis in the ancients, wouldn't have seen it necessarily as science, but they have a solid basis in science. When I first started on this journey, people would talk about energy.
::And I was I'm a pseudo scientist. I've always been a pseudoscientist. I like science, but I wasn't allowed to do it at school, to an advanced level because I wasn't good.
::Enough at.
::It and you know in the in the early 90s when I was actually studied craniosacral therapy.
::And they talk about energy and I think energy can't see it doesn't exist.
::Certainly when I started with Huna, as I got familiar with energy and I started to understand energy and believed that it did exist.
::Still other people can cross a lot of people who didn't believe it, and even now.
::I'll come across, particularly if I go into the corporate world. People will go, energy can't see it well, no, you can't. You can't see electricity either.
::What you see?
::It is energy. Electricity is energy. People don't recognize that. It's just an exchange of electrons, and it's the power that.
::It is exactly.
::It's the because it's the mechanism that holds things together is energy. And I personally believe that God is energy it.
::It?
::Source whatever you want to call it, that exists as energy and it holds us all together.
::And it causes the physicality of our existence to present. Without it, there would be no.
::There's only energy and void source and void, and source is the only energy is the only way for creation to happen.
::Yeah, absolutely. And the and the scientists have demonstrated it, you know everything. It's all energy, everything.
::And it doesn't it.
::It doesn't. No, no.
::More is created and nothing is ever lost. It just changes shape.
::Yeah. It's extraordinary. It's extraordinary. So yes, I love the fact that the that modern science is proving so many of the teachings of the ancients.
::I love it too.
::I it's. It's exciting to me to see.
::These.
::Old concepts.
::Being brought forth.
::And being embraced by a larger number of people. And it's like it's been squashed.
::For a lot of centuries.
::But it wasn't that long ago when Hawaii was.
::Was able to just exist.
::Without being.
::Overcome by modern Western the western world.
::And I think people.
::Well, it was a king. It was. It was a Kingdom. And it's it was a king dominate by.
::The time of.
::King come, Mayor, Mayor united the islands to it to become a Kingdom in its own right. So very strong culture.
::But that was in the early 1900s.
::I mean that.
::I know we're in 2020. It'll be 2024 when this comes out. But.
::In the 1900s, wasn't that long ago, 125 years, I mean.
::Yeah. I mean, the heat, the, the you know, the Captain Cook rocked up in the what late, just at that at the end of the 18th century. And by 1820, I think the writing was beginning to be on the wall.
::For the Hawaiian Kingdom it continues.
::But I think they were beginning to understand that their culture was in danger of being lost. They did what they could to.
::Preserve it the.
::King David Kalakala did what he could to preserve it.
::But the writing was kind of on the wall because all the big powers want wanted a piece. The Brits wanted it. The French wanted it. the US wanted it.
::On several others said.
::And Japan got it.
::Yeah, rather different way.
::I know I'm not a shot. Was fired, yeah.
::I spent some time in Hawaii as a as a teenager, and I yeah, I loved it. It was. It was a wonderful experience.
::Beyond six?
::Oh really?
::Yeah. Where did you go? Where did you?
::Where did you spend time?
::I spent time on Oahu.
::I went to the.
::University of Hawaii for a couple years and my dad was in the military. He was a naval officer stationed at.
::I lost it.
::That's not Pearl Harbor at Barbara's point there.
::You got it.
::It was. It was a lovely experience.
::Yeah, great place to spend teenage years.
::Yeah, I was into swimming. I was a lifeguard.
::And it was.
::It was a good life.
::So how does one?
::Work with you.
::And how? How does that kind of look?
::And what do you do?
::With people, are you strictly teaching?
::Are you coaching?
::No, no, I do. I guess I do a mix. So some of the some of the work I do is pure.
::I call it coaching. I guess sometimes it strays borderline into therapy, but.
::I'm a I'm.
::A I'm a qualified clinical hypnotherapist, so I'm comfortable with that, but I mostly it's coaching work and using the tools and techniques to help people.
::Get to where they want to be.
::Get rid of the blocks. They want to get rid of and get the transformation that they want and that that's across all areas of life. So that's one part of what I do. And then the other part of what I do is teaching. So I run, I teach in Hawaii, I teach on the Huna programs in in Hawaii, and I run my own Huna programs in the UK.
::And what we call a akul Yuna. So I've been it's like a like. It's like an honorary PhD. I have a real PhD. And then I have and I'm a Comer as well. So I run courses in the UK.
::And I do programs which are a kind of mixture of teaching runner. So teaching people how to use the techniques and group coaching where I'm taking them through different processes, different programs. So I'm right in the middle one at the moment, which is I call it release and reclaim.
::Which is for women to release the baggage and reclaim their power and step into their true.
::They're true feminine leadership connected with the with, with the divine feminine. So that's and that's a combination of teaching and coaching. So I do all of those and I do one-on-one work and I do group work for me, it's.
::The person and online.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah.
::And for me it's really it's all about healing at some level and sometimes it's, uh, sometimes it, sometimes it's physical. I don't do that much physical.
::Feeling, but certainly across all areas of life where things just aren't working as you want them to be working.
::And taking them out next level.
::Do you find that?
::People tend to heal physically once they get.
::Spiritually and mentally healed.
::Yes, quite often. I mean, I've got a client at the moment who she's been working with me. We've been doing, we've been using Huna process.
::This is for really at a mental and emotional level.
::But she's finding that things are changing for her in terms of one of one of her challenges, diabetes. We haven't been working specifically on diabetes at all, but what she's finding is that her.
::Her relationship with food and the relationship with the diabetes is changing and you know she's talking to her doctor about being able to reduce, reduce the medication she's on.
::So yeah.
::Exciting I love when I hear.
::Stories like that because.
::It's just like.
::Our minds are so powerful.
::And the combination of.
::Of the connection between our minds, which are like the thought processing centers and our spirit, which is really the energy that gives it power when you get them lined up and.
::Possibilities are endless.
::Absolutely. And it's just so one it's just so wonderful to. It's just so wonderful when you see that happening for somebody.
::And how empowering is for them because it really does allow them to take back control of their own life.
::And it to me, it's really exciting to see.
::How many women are?
::Stepping into this women for.
::Many centuries, at least in the modern world, and this isn't like universal because in some other cultures women are more highly respected that in.
::In western.
::Circles for a lot of centuries, women were second class citizens. Their thoughts and opinions didn't matter. They were the weaker sex and.
::And that's just not proving to be true, honestly.
::No, but it's still something we're having to fight.
::It is definitely that the fight the fight is making progress. I feel I our moms were pretty close to the same age, but our moms were really had to struggle with.
::Getting out from under.
::The ******* of having a male over them. Women used to go to college to find husbands. They didn't go to college to get an education. Now there are more women getting higher degrees than men.
::Ohh really? Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
::I'm not sure how it is in the UK.
::I'm not sure how.
::It would be in the UK.
::It's that way in the US it it's more likely that you'll run into a woman who has a higher degree than you will find men, and the numbers of women going to college is much higher than men going to college.
::And they they're completing it.
::They're completing degrees at A at a higher, higher level, so.
::Get it?
::It's kind of interesting to me to see the changes and.
::And to watch how?
::Other generations or like are picking up the torch and stepping into embracing being a woman and embracing.
::What it means to be a woman and to accept power for themselves instead of being victims and weak and having to depend on other people to help them, they can help themselves and create these amazing life experiences that really enrich.
::Everyone around them, and in turn the whole.
::I think I think that definitely is changing. I think women are much more likely to.
::Take steps to reclaim, reclaim their power, and to I'd, I'd do stuff around the connecting with the divine feminine and there's, you know, women are genuinely interested in that and how to as leaders. When I'm working with leaders, how to come from that feminine power.
::And not try and be a man in a dress.
::It's, you know, it's that it it's a different type of power.
::And it is a challenge because the corporate world particularly still doesn't. There's still certainly in the UK there are big areas in the corporate world that.
::The behavior towards women is not yet what it could be or should be, but women, women reclaiming their power is such a beautiful thing to see.
::It really is and it gives a certain amount of freedom to the Group of women and I.
::I have always been a powerful person and just it's who I am and I can remember when I was young. Having people tell me I was bossy. Having people tell me, you know, be quiet and go sit in the corner.
::You know, stop. Stop asking questions. Stop speaking.
::Up and.
::You know.
::It doesn't do a.
::Lot for your psyche.
::I hope people tell you that and we've reached a point where it's just like, yeah, if you're, if you're a dynamic, go get.
::Her little girl.
::Go don't let anybody put.
::Basket over your light. Just.
::Yeah, absolutely.
::Embrace who you are.
::And it's OK. You know, we've reached a point where we don't have to be liked by everybody. It's OK.
::And I think and some of that I think does also come it, it's one of the benefits of moving into you know moving into the third stage of life. I enjoy being a I enjoy being an older woman. I enjoy being a wise elder.
::But I and I see young women, I see a lot of young women who are much more feisty and owning their power. But I also see a lot of women and I work with a lot of women who still question their power and their right to talk about.
::Their opinions and their beliefs, and it's great when they do and when you get to my age. It's just so liberating.
::It really is.
::I embrace being a Crone. It's.
::Just like.
::You don't.
::You just don't care. There was a line in.
::A movie.
::And I think it was like.
::Fried green tomatoes or something where the woman's like.
::I'm old and I have better insurance. She's trying to take a car spot. She Rams. Yeah.
::What are you gonna do?
::To me.
::I've seen I've seen so much.
::And you just.
::Get to a point where you know.
::Not all battles are worth fighting.
::The good ones.
::So, Jane, how do how do?
::People get in touch with you. How do they find out about your courses over in Hawaii? If they wanted to join you there or if they just wanted to like?
::Get in touch with you and work with you online.
::The courses in the so the courses in Hawaii I'm teaching for the Empowerment Partnership, so I don't run, I don't run my own courses in Hawaii. The courses in the UK and I say in UK cause I run live course, they're all live I run.
::In person courses in the UK, but I also do online courses so and I've.
::I have people from the states, Canada, Australia's mainland Europe, come to those ones. So you can go. I've got a couple of websites, the easy one to pronounce is the secret art of Huna.
::And honor is HUNA.
::Dot com there's also doctor Jane lewis.com.
::You can find me on Facebook and LinkedIn where I'm back slash Jane P Lewis. Jane Lewis is a very common name in the UK, so I use Doctor Jane Lewis quite often, and I use my middle initial quite.
::Often, and I have a YouTube channel called Secret Art of Huna.
::And you can find videos that I've done about whom they're so hot upon. But be careful because the ads may come in in the middle, cause this is YouTube. So hop on a Pono expanded awareness using the peripheral vision.
::Different sorts of release work, so you can find them on the YouTube channel.
::Awesome. Awesome. So what's the one thing you'd like?
::To leave the audience with today.
::I think it is that.
::It's all an illusion.
::We have such power to change our thinking, but most of the time we're living in a bubble. We live in our bubble and the bubbles very small.
::But when you allow yourself to step out.
::Of the bubble.
::And see the real extent of possibility.
::This world has so much possibility to offer.
::And that possible in that possibility lies personal possibility.
::And when you get to that place, it's empowering so.
::Personal possibility.
::Not that.
::There, there's just so much.
::Available to us.
::Thank you so much, Jane, for joining me. I will make sure that the links are in the.
::Show notes below.
::Thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure talking to Jill. Real pleasure.
::You too.
