Elliot is a writer and a PA at a major studio who is finally able to get back to work. We ask him about the transition back into the thick of it. We cover various topics including frustration with a phone call, the importance of being comfortable in uncomfortable situations, past language experiences, career progression, job security, and appreciation for opportunities.

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Hello everyone, welcome to Film Center, your number one place for studio news.

My name's Derek Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

And today we have a special guest we're here with...

Elliot Gordon, Elliot.

What's up, man?

How you doing?

I'm doing good, man.

Glad to be here.

So let me ask you a question Elliot So for our fans, you might not

know what how would you describe Elliot does so much stuff?

Elliot is a renaissance man.

So I mean, I don't I don't I'm not gonna describe you But how would you

describe your work to the audience?

Uh, a

Jack of all trades type of nerd, I find video games equally

fascinating as Rubik's Cubes.

Like then delving into the entire evolutionary biology of crabs and

not crabs He's that kind of writer.

That's what And you find inspiration from crabs.

Oh, absolutely like the cook like the entire biology of Crustaceans

and insects as kind of like living huge cyborgs of Earth.

Why, why do so many animals evolve into crabs?

Uh, because they're kind of an ideal aquatic life body.

And it just kind of keeps happening as convergent evolution.

A lot, I read about this, like a lot of them are converging into crabs.

But today, we're not going to talk about crabs.

What?

No!

Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Like, um, oh, and by the way, as you know, film scenario one is, uh, is on the road.

Um, and today we're recording at, uh, Elliot's place.

Yes.

Uh, currently he has He lives at Right?

Heheheheheheheheheheheh Currently he has a dog, Charlie, in his lap.

So you might hear, uh, Charlie.

She is happily snoring, but that's good because that means she's not gonna be

barking and giving us any other concerns.

Yeah, she seems, uh, uh, Quite content in your lap.

So, um, Today we're talking a little bit about, I don't even want to say,

I hesitate to say post writer strike because in actuality, they didn't really

get everything that they wanted and it's still kind of tentative, but as you know,

Um, the, uh, SAG actors are about to meet again with, um, you know, some producers.

They finally passed the 100 days.

So, um, you know, Elliot also works in the industry as well.

We always want to bring in outside perspectives.

Has it being post, I don't want to say post strike.

I'll say, I'll say, I'll say it's on a temporary truce.

Would you say, is that, is that, is that accurate?

Um, I'd say for the writer's strike, it's post strike.

Most of it has been ratified, at least to my knowledge.

And my job is completely back to normal, as if we've moved past the strike.

So, um, we, as we've said previously on the show, we cannot talk

about everything because of NDAs.

But, Elliot does work on a show that got back afterwards.

Yes.

Right.

So, um, I mean, what was it like to be on that hiatus for so long?

Uh, it was, it was miserable.

Um, you're sitting there kind of in the beginning.

I thought, all right, maybe this will last like a few weeks.

It's just like an unpaid vacation.

But then those weeks turned into several months, and it turned into

a very depressing summer of sorts.

You know, like, I'm applying to a bunch of different jobs

just to make some extra money.

I, I worked on a few student thesis films, cause that was the only thing being made.

And made a little bit of money doing that, but I remember just even

for basic jobs, like I applied to Universal, the theme park, and the Six

Flags, not even they would hire me.

You know what's crazy, because like a lot of, a lot of people went straight to the

theme parks, usually it's the easiest, uh, one of the easier jobs to get.

As someone who used to work for Universal and their theme parks,

it's always better than Disney.

I always liked, when I was younger, I always loved Disney and Universal.

I loved working at Universal, just because like You on your lunch

break, you can technically go get a beer and then go back to work.

That makes the job way more tolerable.

Now, now Elliot, I would have a question for you.

With your job being on hiatus, were you checking for daily updates?

Were you checking for like, what was that like for you day to day?

Were you guys Were you on standby with your, uh, with the production company?

Were you on, like, talk to me about what the weekly or daily life was like.

Like, how did you even know that you were still employed?

Yeah, when the strike first happened, um, they gave us the information, you know,

that like, you know, the show's gonna go dark, um, but the moment the show

is back That's why I said it, go dark?

Well, that's like the industry term, like Bravo 6!

The show has gone tar gone dark.

That's a Bravo 6, yeah!

Exactly.

But, yeah.

But they said, you know, once the show returns, everyone can

come back in their positions.

No one's job was ever supposedly compromised as far as I knew apart

from we didn't have a return date and you know, no one knew everyone,

everything was just speculative.

That's as far as like really, you know, there wasn't any info to go off of.

Everyone was just kind of, you know, keeping their fingers crossed, hoping

for a quick solution that So, it was just radio silence until you came back?

Kept in touch as coworkers.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Did you ever hang out with your coworkers from that time?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Plenty of times we would meet up for drinks before it started getting

really expensive to keep meeting up for drinks because while you're unemployed.

Exactly.

So, you know, we had, being forced into being hyper ugal is never fun.

Yeah.

Um, but it was also kind of humbling in a sense to be way more careful with every.

Finance, but also, you know, just going grocery shopping became a

very soul destroying activity since it's still, everything is just

such a heavy expense in this city.

Right.

But I think the biggest fear, though, for me will forever be

just that kind of nihilist of view, like, this is just never ending.

It just felt like, you know, the negotiations kept getting postponed, they

weren't returning to the table, and it just felt like they were not interested in

ever meeting the demands of the writers.

And, you know, the agreement they ended up getting, I'm very happy

that they got, you can't always expect them to get everything.

I'm hoping that it sets a precedent for even lower level employees like myself

to eventually be able to have better negotiating power for future jobs.

Cause that's something I think frustrated me about the strike was I mean, to

be fair, you, you, you got this job.

Um, I don't want to say recently exactly, but it is, it is, it is like

you haven't been there for years.

No, this is my second year.

Right.

It's your second year.

You know what I'm saying?

And so, you know, when you found somewhere like you feel

like is your production home.

It feels like, you know, because it's such a big part of your life.

Yeah.

And just to have it taken away, and you're like, I don't even

know when it's coming back.

That must have felt crazy.

It felt crazy, but I think what many, especially lower tiered employees

like myself, were feeling was that, you know, we supported the strike

on principle and empathized with all the demands of the riders.

I think it was that we felt...

involuntarily conscripted into the strike since everyone's work got shut

down and we have gained nothing from it.

Yeah.

You know, we're still like PAs are generally non union.

We don't have a lot of salary negotiating power because our positions are easily,

you know, they remind us how easily replaceable we are all the time.

Yeah.

I felt really bad, especially when, cause me and Nicholas, we went to the marches.

Yeah, me too.

But then me and Nicholas, because we're on the radio, we weren't really affected

as much by the strikes, you know?

So it's like weird.

Cause you're like, you, you do like, you know, we support the strikes.

We believe in them and things like that.

But then again, we're not being directly affected by it.

Like, so now that you're, now that you're back, um, is there been like any major

change or is it just like back to normal?

Like everyone asking, like it never happened or.

I mean, I don't think anyone's acting like it never happened.

I think everyone's just very excited to be back.

Um, I sure as hell am.

You know, I'm very, very pleased to just be back to my job, cause this

is the one time in my life I've ever been able to say I love my job.

And yeah, and in the, the entertainment industry, that's a very rare thing where

most people will have many stories of working for very unpleasant people, but

I have nothing negative to say about the show I work on or the crew I work with.

Everyone is amazing.

And I'm very grateful for that.

So that's why I was especially ecstatic to be able to return to work as they are.

Thank you.

Fun to work with and work for.

It's a great team and everyone is treated with so much respect.

And it was like very sad to not be able to participate in that

for so long, but now we can again.

Oh, before we get too far again, uh, also you want to

tell everyone where you're from?

Oh, okay.

Um, originally I'm from...

Hey, you don't get to be a mystery, sir.

Not on this show.

Not on this show.

Well, what if I make up a mystery backstory?

Well, now everyone's gonna know.

Now, now, now you know.

You could have done that.

I probably wouldn't have even said anything.

I didn't know he was from Dragon Land.

That's awesome.

Okay.

He's from Sven.

From Sven?

Yeah.

The mythological creature of Sven?

Yeah.

Well, it's kind of close to where I'm from.

I'm originally from Sweden.

But I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area for the majority

of my life since I was nine.

You, uh, Oakland, right?

Yep.

Yeah.

Great place.

Let me ask, did you, uh, Did you always, like, I like people have a lot of negative

things to say about San Francisco, but then I always hear people from Oakland,

and they're like, Eh, it's alright.

I have, I mean...

It's not like L.

A.

is any less trashy or capable, capable of being trashy, you know, San

Francisco and Oakland have a lot of issues as well, but I love going there

and I loved growing up there, so to any haters of the Bay Area, no, you

don't know what you're talking about.

I wouldn't live in L.

A.

if it wasn't for the industry, like, I would happily...

If I could afford to live in Oakland and just fly from Southwest, from

Oakland to Burbank every day, every day, I would rather do that.

It's an hour flight.

You're not losing any time compared to LA traffic.

That's true.

So what would you say is the difference between the Bay area and, um, Los Angeles?

I heard there's a huge difference.

Uh, there.

It, it kind of, it's hard to say In the bay everything is a

little more chill and laid back.

There's just a lot more of a vibe where everyone's more inclusive

and you know, more like relaxed.

Yeah.

But like imagine like a couch potato and you come home and they're

like, Hey, welcome, sit down.

While in LA every time you meet someone new, they can present

themselves as very friendly, but.

And this is like, you know, most people in LA work in entertainment.

And I definitely feel like here they, they're always sizing you up.

Yes.

Every person that you meet, um, is, it seems like every time

you meet them instead of them being, Hey, how are you doing?

It's just like.

Well, how can I position myself exactly to get what this person has or to in some way

get his contact information so that I can leverage him leverage him and Infiltrate

what he has so I can get That stuff.

Yeah.

And I, and I think the problem is they're, most people are really bad at it,

'cause they're like, they're always like, I would, I would much rather

respect someone who's just mask off.

Like, how can I use you?

Yeah.

And just like talk shop with me.

'cause I'm like, okay, let's use each other.

I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

Upfront, you know, just being honest about Yeah.

Like if, if, if I see that this person has something I want.

I'm not going to be rude to them, but I'd say like, you could just ask.

I don't know.

What is wrong?

Exactly.

Like, Hey, I see that you're really great at this.

Let's work together.

People don't like to do that.

I was like, Oh, Oh, how can I use it?

They like, they want to meet up for drinks five different times before they set up,

give the manipulative, like one liner.

Yes.

I'm like, and I'm like, I don't need to have wasted, like Over 150 on small

talk that's gonna lead to nothing just for you to pitch something at

me or see what you can get out of me.

Gosh, that happens so often.

Yeah.

Do you have any, do you have any specific examples that were particularly bad?

Uh, I think at my first job that I had, where I worked a lot more in,

Management and talent representation.

And so I dealt with a lot of assistance from other managers and agencies.

And, you know, they always want to like, let's schedule drinks,

even though we're all overworked.

And I was like the last thing I'd want to do after a 12 hour day, sitting behind

a desk at the office, go get hammered.

Yeah.

Like I just wanted to, you specifically, I just didn't want to do that.

Like I'm, I'm a pretty social person, but I also run out of steam eventually.

And at that job, I ran out of steam every night, but I forced myself to network.

It's the worst word.

Okay, so everyone has a place where they're like, Oh, this is my go to place

when I want to network with someone.

And everyone has a go to place where it's like, I'm here

because we're actually friends.

Where is your networking place?

Uh, I rarely pick the spot.

Because I don't care , that is, I like that.

I, and I want them to know that, like that's how little effort I'm

putting into this fake meeting.

Yeah.

That like some like, and I, I sometimes went into them definitely with probably

the wrong attitude, which I do regret.

I wish.

Mm-Hmm.

Like, you should never just be rude in that situation.

But I definitely felt with some people, it's like, I get that you're, you

know, we're all new here, we're just trying to get to know people, but.

It just sometimes felt so forced that I was just not really putting

the effort into the conversation.

I would happily cancel on a lot of events all the time just because I

was just, I did not feel like going.

And...

Because it, it seems so forced.

It seems so, like, I, it, I would respect, like you said, I would respect you so much

more if you said, This is what I have.

This is what you have.

What can I do for you so that you can do for me?

Yeah.

And...

Sometimes we had those types of conversation and it led to like some

good cooperative partnerships and just exchanging ideas or just getting to know

someone who had insider knowledge on one aspect of the industry that I might not

be very know the jargon of, which was always just useful, but also just making

friends in different places so you can kind of learn what they do and they want

to learn what you do, but sometimes you could just see like they were Sometimes

asking way too many invasive questions.

It's mainly about your job, mainly about the people you work with.

Either take or clear it.

Yeah.

But they really wanted to try to tap in.

What's the address?

What's the passcode to get into the back door?

Yeah, but they'd be like...

What chips do you eat at work?

Yeah, exactly.

Is it Ruffles?

Does it get waves?

I mean, cause we've all...

movies about entertainment, like you'll have two executives on the phone and

they're very polite and then they hang up and then they're like, I hate him.

So that happened all the time at many of the jobs I had.

And I felt like sometimes other assistants would try to be like playing investigative

journalist for their boss to try to figure out who they're all spies.

Yeah.

Like they're trying to figure out for man.

Like I, when I saw the For some, like, have you seen The Offer?

No, I have not.

Uh, the show The Offer is about the, uh, the making of the Godfather.

Right, right.

And, uh, uh, uh, uh, I think Teller's in that.

Miles Teller?

Miles Teller, yes.

Yes.

Yes, he does a fantastic job.

Um, I remember watching the, I mean, like, even though this is

supposedly decades ago, I feel it.

Because, like, his people who work under him are always telling on somebody else.

They're always trying to point it out.

And then, I don't know, after I saw that show, I was just like, I was like

hyper aware of other people doing it.

It was so weird.

It's like, you know, when you're playing punch buggy There's there's

you haven't seen a punch buggy all day But as soon as you start playing Punch

Buggy, there's like 55 Punch Buggies!

It's like, everyone has a Punch Buggy!

Yeah, I mean, if, when you're alert, and you feel a little bit of that paranoia,

It's kind of like, I felt the same whenever I was an intern in college

at any place, I always wanted to be...

Like I hustled a lot.

I wanted to be like with every executive that came in the office.

Like, Hey, do you want some coffee?

Do you want some coffee?

Hi, how about you?

Would you like even more coffee?

I can fill up the entire fridge with more coffee.

Oh, look, I just can inject you with coffee.

I mean, you drink that much coffee anyway, so you might as well have a coffee.

Ivy, I can make, I can make that happen.

Um, but because I always felt like, you know, they tell you.

The difference between a good intern and a bad intern is the one who brings

them their coffee at the right time and make you want to be the one that

makes them smile and and they're like, they're teaching you this and university

film classes, especially like in.

Yeah, this was, my university had an LA program, which I really enjoyed.

It was my final semester of college.

And you go to your internship during the day and then you have night classes.

So like, I liked that you actually apply yourself during the day.

And I got to meet some cool people and intern for some cool

studios, but I definitely found sometimes that the way that.

We had guest speakers come and talk to us about like how to move up and

how to be a good lower tier employee.

And some of the things they said really bothered me because it was like they

were proudly justifying the very shady type of hiring practices that, um,

newcomers into the industry have to go through when they first arrive here.

I tell a lot of people when they, um, When they first get here.

I'm like all of those you will see a whole bunch of entertainment jobs all

over job boards And it's like oh these must be super easy to get there on it

be there on no They legally have to put those up because they used to not even

advertise Right entertainment jobs until it was like hey, you can't do that.

You have to advertise so So, look, well you're, uh, I think you're also a writer.

Mm hmm.

And, uh, have you found that since working where you work, has it been, uh,

being around so many creative people, has that really helped your juices flow?

Uh, in some ways.

Yes.

Um, seeing how the writers at the show I work on, how they function, what they

do, they're all really, really friendly.

Um, when I meet them and so kind of seeing their job process and seeing in general

what's expected when you're a staff writer on a show, no matter if it's a comedy

show, a drama or Hollywood, uh, Like a comedy show or like a non scripted show.

Yeah.

Like a live show.

Yeah.

And you kind of see the different types of approaches that the writers apply.

And as a, an aspiring writer, it, it is very valuable to see.

I think it also, like when I look back at the internships I had as well,

where I did a lot of script coverage, that's kind of where I perfected.

My own story analysis kind of strategy, and seeing how I personally

experience a story, what stands out to me, and where I think the flaws are.

Cause I was always very harsh when I did script coverage, but I

figured I might as well be, cause we should have that standard.

Everyone should get really, I don't want to say harsh notes.

Those aren't, those aren't the goal.

The goal is like helpful notes, but it's usually the most

helpful notes that are harshest.

Yeah.

Right.

And then, um, so you said that you did a lot of, uh, it seemed like when

you were talking that you did a lot of internships, how, um, how did you end up,

um, choosing the place that you did or did it choose you or did it choose you?

Sometimes.

Yeah.

One of the, my first ever internship was.

A friend of a friend, I had contacted a family friend who

ran an advertising business.

And he said, well, sure, you can come intern for us, but

what good would that do you?

You want to work in film.

So he called up a So he sent me the contact info of some film people he's

worked with since he works in advertising.

Um, that's how I got my first one.

They were very cool.

The other ones I was But if you guys listen You reached out, you

gotta reach out, you gotta reach out if you're not reaching out,

you're not contacting people, you're staying stagnant, you will be.

We talked about this all the time on the show.

You have to keep pushing.

You have to keep producing.

You have to, you have to be okay with knowing that you

are going to annoy people.

You cannot be afraid of calling strangers on the phone, even though

everyone, you know, millennial and Gen Z is afraid of calling people.

What's going on with that?

I mean, I think it's just because it's much easier to just send a text

and be done with it like because I mean, being from the South, like,

everybody talks on the phone.

Like, everybody talks on the phone.

Possibly for too long.

Possibly, possibly for too long.

Nobody really likes sending text messages, but when I got out here to L.

A., nobody likes to talk on the phone.

Nobody.

For any amount of reason.

And they especially, if they do talk on the phone, they definitely don't want

to talk for an extended period of time.

No, they want to...

Like, get to the point of why am I calling you, bye.

I, I have, I have a very bad habit of calling people, like, while I'm driving.

Cause I just use my car phone.

Yeah, but that's what I do as well.

It's a perfect time to dr call people in LA when you're stuck in traffic.

Yeah, I mean, that's what I cause that's what I used to do down in South.

But then, when I come over here to Los Angeles, I was like, okay, cool.

You know what, text me then.

Well, I'm talking to you right now.

And also, I'm driving.

Yes, what the, why?

Why would I text you while I'm driving?

So, I, the reason why I say it's a bad habit is because I keep calling

the people who know I'm there, who I just know, like, oh cool, text me man.

No, that's why I'm calling you.

So I won't have to do that.

I don't like to text.

I like to talk to people.

I do too.

And I think, like, sometimes...

I do not pick if, if someone calls me and I'm not in the mood to pick up the

phone, I'm not going to pick up the phone unless, I mean, unless it's like,

I assume it could be important, but, but most of the time, like, I don't get

offended if someone doesn't pick up.

I'm normally can just call my friends and be like, how you doing?

And a few of them who are now used to me calling them, they are okay with it.

But other times some friends are like.

D do you need anything?

And I'm like, I'm just saying hi.

And they're like, what do you need from me, ? Can I, can I just check on you?

Like, can I just, yeah.

Like see how you're doing.

It's like, what is the deal with the devil?

I can't say hi.

Yeah, they, they're like, oh, uh, yeah.

I'm cool.

Um, can I, like, can't we, can you text me if you need anything?

Uh, like you just made it weird now.

Yeah.

, like, I was calling casually to see how you were doing.

And all you had to do was just, Yeah, man, I'm doing pretty well, you know.

Today, you know, I kinda got stuck in a little bit of traffic.

And then that's all you had to do.

But now that you made it weird, Now we can have the conversation I wanted to have.

Yeah.

I mean, actually, I'm gonna take back that advice of being comfortable on the phone.

Stay uncomfortable, that way we'll just get promoted instead.

Right.

Won't get replaced by people who get brave enough to the phone.

I mean, I remember one of my proudest phone experiences was at one job

I had where we were trying to get a client to a convention in France

and the convention organizers were really bad at organizing travel.

My boss didn't realize that I spoke French, so I kind of went French Karen

on, on the event organizers because they were just being really difficult.

How many languages do you speak?

I know at least three that you speak.

Yeah, so, I mean, I speak Swedish and English fluently, and I'm pretty good

at communicating in French, but It is still really hard for me to understand

because they just speak so fast.

But I can express myself in French really, really well.

Do you know any other languages?

I mean, I'm studying Spanish now since my wife speaks Spanish.

It's probably good to know.

Yeah.

It's probably, probably a good idea.

One question I would ask you, and this is really pervasive throughout the industry,

is when it sounded like when you were talking about being an intern, it was

basically that they were They were talking to you about how to be a better servant.

Yeah, so Now that you've gotten I wouldn't say Very high up, but you're

a lot higher than a lot of people in Los Angeles What would you like?

Can you speak to that service?

And what he's asking it doesn't get better Uh, yeah, but you,

it's, it's, it's such a hard question to answer because there's no such thing

as no matter how famous you get or successful you get in this industry,

there's no such thing as job security.

Um, I will.

And I, and I mean, I had, I was lucky enough to have coffee once with the

former showrunner of King of the Hill.

Oh, that must have been fun.

Yeah, he was very, very friendly and lovely to talk to, but he told me that...

You know, he's been on top and then once the show is over, he's

like, Oh, now what now, now it's like you're back to point zero.

So whenever the show I'm currently working on, whenever that ends and who knows when

that will end, you never know when the.

Producer can just be like shows over and like that.

You never know when life is going to hit you like the strike did.

Yeah, exactly.

So, but you're, but this is, you're currently working a job that you're

a lot more comfortable with is, would you say it's your, your, um,

the favorite one you've got so far, best job I've ever had in my life.

So, um, So, yes, it got better from the older jobs.

I did have better from that perspective.

You found somewhere where like you feel like you fit.

Yeah.

And I think the most important thing, and this is another generational

thing that I think people our age have a lot of issue with is that when

you're in a job that's not good and you feel very stuck and you feel like

every day is just Going very slowly and you have nothing to show for it.

That's how I felt at my first job out of college But they're the lower jobs.

Yeah, but it was then now looking back at it.

It was ten months out of my life They were rough, but you get

through it And then you move out.

You don't have a choice.

Yeah, you don't.

But sometimes.

You have two options.

You can either not go through it or just drop dead.

Like.

You can, I mean, you can quit.

If it is really bad.

And no one should stay in a job that's abusive.

Luckily I've never had, I've never had that.

Never.

But I think sometimes you have to stick it out.

Um.

Not for the sake of doing the best job possible, but you also, when

you're in that state where you really want to give up, then just

push yourself a little bit further.

Because the day you decide that you're gonna leave, it's, you

walk in the office, and it's not as bad as you remember it being.

And I think it's the same as when you're in school and freaking out

over a huge exam that you think is gonna define your life forever, but

then once the exam is over, you're never gonna think about it again.

Exactly.

So, apply that mentality to any bad job you have.

It will not be forever.

You're not a prisoner there and you, but you have to be patient through

it because you've got, it'll keep you humble Instead of if you're lucky enough

to get a great job from the beginning.

Hey hats off to you.

Good job But everyone who has worked the worst job, you know in the end

I'm not gonna say it's good for you and makes you a better person, but

The whole character building thing Yeah, but having some humility just

Makes you treat other people better.

Cause you know, you don't want to ever be as mean or harsh or unreasonable

to anyone, like maybe you had been to, like if someone had acted like that.

Yeah.

So I'm grateful for the lessons I learned at that really tough job I had.

Yeah.

And then me and Nicholas are blessed enough to do this radio show.

And it's, and it's a lot of fun.

Um, so.

You know, Alec, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you.

Um, is there anything that you would like to, uh, to plug?

Uh, I can't.

That's cause he, cause I just thought about that as I was saying it.

You can't really say anything.

I can't really say anything right now.

So how about, how about, do you have any advice that maybe you

would give to our listeners?

Well, I can, I can actually plug one thing.

Um, cause my wife and some friends of ours are starting to put together some

creative ideas and we're going to start.

We're filming some small sketches, and I can give a preview that one

of the ones we're gonna be making in the hopefully near future is gonna

be a philosophical discussion between a Swedish and an Italian meatball.

A Swedish and an Italian meatball.

You guys are gonna be debating who's better?

Among other things.

Oh, see, look, he can't talk about it.

Well guys, this has been Film Center.

I'm Derek Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

I'm Elliot Gordon.

And we'll talk to you next time.

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