In this episode, Tara answers a super common question - when you are testing your offer with a beta or founding member group, how many people do you need? The answer may surprise you (and provide you with confidence).

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Hey, everybody, in today's episode, I want to get

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just super tactical, and address a question that I get a lot. And

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that I've seen a lot out there on the, the out in the various

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groups that are out there. And that is like how many people

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should you have when you're testing your offer. So we always

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recommend that people start with a beta test. And the beta test

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is like, so you have identified your business model, you have

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created your Santra methodology, right? Like you know exactly

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what your process is, from taking somebody from point A to

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point B, right? Like you have your steps, you have your

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signature methodology, you have your IP, you're ready to go.

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You've created a signature offer, you know exactly how you

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want to deliver this, your signature methodology, how do

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you want to show up? Which delivery method are you going to

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be using, right? Like you've got all those things done? Now it's

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time to test your offer. Just like if you were say, you were

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building, or designing like a new pen, for example, right?

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Like, this is a fancy pants new pen that you are going to put

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out into market, you wouldn't just go and produce 10,000 units

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of this pen, right? Without like putting it in front of people to

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be like, Would you buy this pen? And would you buy this pen at

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this price point? Like, you wouldn't do that, right? Because

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it's so expensive to produce something. And to ship and to

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get all of that inventory. Without even knowing whether or

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not they're going to sell. And so it's the same concept when

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you're building a new program or product. Or, or, or experience

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that you're putting out there for people is that you need to

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test your offer you need to test, you know, is this

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something that is needed in the marketplace? Will they will your

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people pay for it? Can you find people? And then once you found

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them, once you've pre sold your offer, then can you deliver it,

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can you give them an experience that that gets them to the

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result that you've promised. Now, that is all done in a beta

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test. So that is the very first thing that we do, you don't

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actually go out and create all of your things, all your videos,

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all your assets, all your things and then sell it, you actually

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are co creating it with your beta group. So it's an super

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important piece of the puzzle is that you, you start by testing

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your offer. So that's the first thing. The second thing is like

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how many people need to be in that, like, Is this the time

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where we need to do ads, and we need to find tons of new people

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that we don't know yet. And put them into this launch. Because

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we've heard that, you know, people are doing $50,000

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launches, $100,000 launches, $250,000 launches, right? Like,

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we've heard all these people like you launch and all these

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people are gonna buy your thing, and you're gonna have this big

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influx of cash, and it's gonna be awesome. And let me tell you,

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the reality is, is that when you're doing your beta, it's not

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a money play, right? Like, if you have a huge audience of

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people already who who are asking for something new. Sure,

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this would be a great opportunity to put a new offer

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in front of your people and have them pay for it, you may have a

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huge lunch. For the majority of people who are getting started,

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you don't have an audience of people who are just waiting for

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you to launch something, if you do, congratulations, go for it.

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But for those of us who don't have that huge following

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already, you need to be realistic in terms of what your

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beta is for. And your beta is to test your offer and to test your

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ability to get somebody a result. So here's what I always

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say is the number of people that you need to have in your beta is

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the number of people who are going to give you really good

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feedback. This could be five, this could be 10. And, you know,

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could be a lot more could be a lot less. But usually you just

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need like five people who are going to give you awesome

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feedback so that you can iterate and do the next version. And you

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get enough seed money so that you have you have people who are

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who are you have the ability to be able to deliver that right

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like if you're running an agency, you're busy. And so this

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allows you to get that a little bit of money. So that your time

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is, is being taken care of. And it also gives you super great

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feedback and testimonials. To start building the momentum for

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your next launch, and your launch after that, and your

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launch after that. And so when people ask that question, I

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always say, not as many people as you think, right, like, don't

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stress out about how many people you put in there, you can find

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five people right now, probably who are interested in what you

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have to offer. And that is your testing all the way through with

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those five people. If you have more than that, that's awesome.

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But with five people, if you're charging, when we usually

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recommend about two or $3,000 per program, because you're

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actually delivering results, right, which is a whole nother

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conversation. But in general, when we're talking about price

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points, usually about two or three grand. So if you have five

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people, then you're talking about 10 to $15,000, for your

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seed launch, that would be in a reasonable amount of investment

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for you to get started in your business, you don't really need

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more than that at this moment in time. And so again, all this is

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is to test your offer to test your framework to test your,

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your ability to help people get results. And, and so if this

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helps you, I really want to encourage you to not stress out

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about how many people you have in your beta, you can have less

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than five, usually you want to have more than one, right?

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Because we're going from one to one to one to many. And so, you

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know, three to five is totally fine, if that's all you can

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find. But I would challenge you to think about like, what are

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the things that need to happen for you to get at least five

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people, right, maybe you're not visible, and nobody knows that

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this is something that you do, maybe your price point is off,

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maybe your your, your messaging needs to be honed in a little

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bit. So this beta is not just about teaching your methodology,

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or getting people into your program, however you want to

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think about it, it's also like, is the whole process, something

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that that is that is going to work, right? Like if people

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aren't buying, there's something wrong with the offer. If if,

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right or the messaging or you know, whatever else that's going

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on on the front end, before they actually purchase, once they

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purchase that it's your opportunity to get them a

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result. And so you're you're testing the entire process. I

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think that's the other thing that people don't newer people

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don't really necessarily understand is that you very

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rarely, if you're starting for the very first time, or you're

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doing something brand new, can you just like lob it over the

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fence and be like, Okay, everybody try my thing, and get,

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you know, the masses to come in and buy whatever it is that you

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have to offer. Without doing that front

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end work, right. Like I said, if you have a big audience, and

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they're just waiting for you to put out an offer, that is an

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amazing place to be. But if you don't have that, you have to

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build a little bit of that at the beginning, so that people

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are ready to go. And again, like there are tons of different

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strategies for that we talk a lot about that and learn

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Academy. But that is a key component. So the answer to the

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question, just to reiterate, is you only need the amount of

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people who are going to give you super solid feedback on the

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entire process. And so this is not a money play at this point.

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This is not like how big could the launch be? This is literally

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to get you in the game and get you some practice and some some

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market feedback, right? Like if I'm if I'm producing a pen, and

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I'm asking people, I'm going to do a test group. And I'd be

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like, how do you feel about this pen? Would you buy this pen?

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What if there were 50? Pens? You know, in the aisle, would you

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buy this pen? Why would you buy this pen? Why would you not buy

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this pen? What about the price point? What about this? How does

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how does it feel like all the things you're going to do all of

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that before you go and and produce 10,000 units of this

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pen? Very same concept. So hopefully this serves you so if

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that's a question that's like rattling around in your mind for

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your founders group or your beta group, then don't stress right

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like this is a test process. You may have to reiterate or, or

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redo your offer a number of different times, or your landing

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page or your sales page or your offer page. Like, you may have

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to play around with that for a while before you get five people

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in your beta. And so keep going, don't give up. But just know

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that you don't have to have a $500,000 lunch on day one. In

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fact, you don't want that, right? Because what happens is,

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if you have all of those people, and you are just testing your

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offer, you're gonna be overwhelmed. You're gonna have

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tons of people who are either not paying attention, or who are

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super needy, who need all the things and you don't have it

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ready and done yet. Right. And so, it's more manageable to have

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a smaller group. It's, it's, they're more forgiving in terms

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of, you know, you being able to just keep testing and iterating

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as you go. Alright, there you go. Hopefully this serves you

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today. If you love this episode, I would love for you to give it

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a rating give it give it some feedback, so we can continue to

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grow this channel. Until next time, test out that beta