Shownotes
You don’t become a better caregiver by sacrificing your own self-care. In this interview, Lisa Zawrotny shares bittersweet and challenging life experiences of a ‘Sandwich Generation” caregiver.
Falling primarily on the shoulders of women is the ultra-demanding role of caretaker of parents with health issues or age-related disabilities. In Lisa’s case, that also included Alzheimer’s complexity, while simultaneously raising her children, managing households, social and school schedules, doctors’ appointments and medications. Typically, these women are also juggling their careers or businesses and trying to be a good spouse, partner, friend, and volunteer.
Through this challenging physical, emotional, and financial journey, Lisa realized, just in time, denying your own self-care does not make you a better caregiver. This wake-up call was the beginning of her transformation from surviving in overwhelm to thriving and being positively productive.
Bonus:
Lisa gifted us by sharing one of her favorite and very fitting quotes; "You are allowed to be both a masterpiece and a work in progress simultaneously." by Sophia Bush.
Teaser:
Stay tuned to the end of this episode when Lisa reveals something completed unexpected about her.
Warning – this velvet voice can kick your ass!
About our Guest:
Lisa is a productivity coach certified in time & stress management. She helps stressed out, multi-passionate entrepreneurs use simplicity, self-care, and systems to boost productivity, balance business and family, and avoid burnout.
As a Productivity Coach and host of the Positively Living Podcast, Lisa founded Positively Productive Systems in 2016 after a deeply overwhelming time in her life, juggling multiple roles as a caregiver, wife, mother, and business owner.
Now, she is on a mission to help multi-passionate, service-based entrepreneurs who struggle with wasted time and energy, reduce their stress, and optimize their life and business.
Podcast:
https://positivelyliving.buzzsprout.com/1011307
Learn more about our guest:
www.Instagram.com/positively_lisa
www.Twitter.com/positively_lisa
www.Facebook.com/positivelyproductive
About the Host:
Isabel Banerjee - Your Next Business
Strategist and Transformation Catalyst
Dynamic, a self-made entrepreneur who overcame obstacles with an unrelenting positive nature, a farm girl work ethic, and a conscious choice to thrive rather than survive, Isabel Alexander Banerjee cultivated an award-winning, $10 million+ global chemical business and grew it from dining room table to international boardrooms.
Isabel’s strengths include the ability to initiate & nurture strategic relationships, a love of lifelong learning and talents for helping others maximize their potential. An inspiring speaker within both industry and community, she is a driving force behind those with the courage to foll0ow her example of thriving against the odds.
With 50+ years of business experience across diverse industries, Isabel is respected as an advisor, a coach, a mentor, and a role model. She believes in sharing collective wisdom and empowering others to economic independence.
Founder of the Lift As You Climb Movement (www.facebook.com/groups/liftasyouclimbmovement)
and
Chief Encore Officer, The Encore Catalyst (www.theencorecatalyst.com) – an accelerator for feminine wisdom, influence, and impact.
also
Author & Speaker ‘Who Am I Now? – Feminine Wisdom Unmasked Uncensored’ (www.IsabelBanerjee.com)
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/isabelalexanderbanerjee/
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Hello again, my online friends!
Speaker:It's been all about friends in the last couple of weeks and episodes.
Speaker:Not that they're ever very far from my heart, or my thoughts.
Speaker:Today I have genuine pleasure to interview a new friend.
Speaker:Someone new in my Vitamin G corral.
Speaker:In the last episode, which honored National Best Friends day, I
Speaker:talked about the impact of COVID on friendships and relationships.
Speaker:One of the benefits of being in lockdown, and enduring the pandemic inconveniences,
Speaker:was having some time, and necessity actually, as entrepreneurs, to reach
Speaker:out and expand our circles and to connect with people in a different way.
Speaker:It's because of that..
Speaker:I was inspired to create the Global Serial Entrepreneurs Summits...
Speaker:To bring women together around the world, to share their feminine
Speaker:wisdom, to help each other...
Speaker:Because that's lifting and climbing.
Speaker:And because of that, and another friend who is new in my world, I
Speaker:met today's guest, Lisa Zawrotny.
Speaker:The magic behind the Positivity Living Podcast, and a productivity
Speaker:coach with her business.
Speaker:Positively Productive Systems.
Speaker:I first want to say welcome Lisa, and thank you, thank you,
Speaker:thank you for coming in today!
Speaker:Oh Isabel, it's my pleasure.
Speaker:I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker:Yay.
Speaker:Yay.
Speaker:I have a tiny bit of knowledge of what brought you here today.
Speaker:What ship you came sailing in on, but I would like it very much.
Speaker:If you would just set up a little bit of the Lisa story and position
Speaker:yourself for the conversations that we're going to have about feminine
Speaker:wisdom, productivity, collaboration, and my favorite lifting and climbing.
Speaker:I would love to.
Speaker:Let's start with where we are now, and then I will bounce back and tell
Speaker:you a little bit of how I got there.
Speaker:So right now I am here to coach multi-passionate entrepreneurs who are
Speaker:struggling to balance their business and family and, It's because that's what
Speaker:I went through and I show them how to boost productivity and avoid burnout while
Speaker:making it feel simple and sustainable.
Speaker:And again, that's because that's what I went through years ago.
Speaker:I was a caregiver for my mom.
Speaker:I was pregnant twice.
Speaker:I had both of my children, cared for my mom, I had my husband...
Speaker:and he and I were trying to run a business.
Speaker:All at the same time.
Speaker:You want to talk about juggling multiple roles and don't we women
Speaker:do that, so naturally with this expectation of it being effortless.
Speaker:But when we talk, it's not at all effortless, and especially when
Speaker:you start changing roles in your life, when suddenly I became
Speaker:the matriarch of the family and now, we're shifting it around...
Speaker:and I'm caring for my mother.
Speaker:And doing it in an unusual sandwich caregiver kind of way.
Speaker:It was...
Speaker:I don't even have words for it.
Speaker:I'll call it a dark time sometimes...
Speaker:I will call it an overwhelming time.
Speaker:It was also a beautiful time.
Speaker:I was able to give back to her, and help her during the golden years of her
Speaker:life, and keep her safe and happy, and my children were able to be loved...
Speaker:even if she didn't quite know who they were, because she
Speaker:was suffering from Alzheimer's.
Speaker:And throughout that entire process, I was surviving...
Speaker:not thriving.
Speaker:And when that time, as a caregiver came to a close for me, and she passed on...
Speaker:I had a choice.
Speaker:I was at a crossroads, and I had considered moving on to what I
Speaker:knew again, do I get another job?
Speaker:What do I do next?
Speaker:You know, it's that when we're always saying that, what do I do?
Speaker:How do I fill in the space?
Speaker:And something...
Speaker:A voice somewhere inside me said...
Speaker:Wait...
Speaker:It's time to clear out.
Speaker:And I started to declutter my life inside and out...
Speaker:Really open up to self care, that I'd been denying myself...
Speaker:Thinking that would make me a better caregiver...
PS:It doesn't.
PS:These are the points of advocacy, that I have now...
PS:I advocate for the caregivers, for the nurturers...
PS:For those who give and want to light up the world, but they give to the
PS:point that it's to their detriment.
PS:So once I learned my lessons and I managed to get out of it and find
PS:healing for myself and my family...
PS:I knew I wanted to help others do the same and maybe even help them before
PS:they got to the point that I did.
PS:Thank you for that very personal sharing of how you came to be where you are today.
PS:And, I so agree with you because setting ourselves up for this illusion that
PS:we can and should do everything for everyone, has been a lesson that I've
PS:had to learn over and over in my life.
PS:As you say, move into different roles, not the same all of our lives.
PS:We are constantly being promoted, reluctantly at times...
PS:And you also made me pause to think...
PS:Hmm...
PS:I don't think I know any really happy, fun martyrs...
PS:None come to mind for me.
PS:I'm curious about this decluttering?
PS:How, did that position you to go on and say, okay, Lisa
PS:doesn't have to be a martyr.
PS:It doesn't look good on her...
PS:Share that with us, please.
PS:That's such a good question.
PS:I've never had an asked in that way before.
PS:Well, for starters, the clutter aspect, was very obvious in terms
PS:of the physical clutter, because when you are in survival mode...
PS:You leave so much that is not essential, and sometimes
PS:essential, and you leave it out...
PS:You don't put things away, you let things pile up, if you will.
PS:Now that can also happen in your schedule, as well, and it did for me in both ways.
PS:The most obvious thing was the physical clutter.
PS:As I, realized I needed to clear out first...
PS:It's almost like creating a blank slate if you will.
PS:And so it's like clean up first before you start to add more.
PS:And that's what I learned...
PS:That was really the first step.
PS:Keep in mind that's when you're feeling that overwhelm, you might have
PS:an idea of where you'd like to go and it might feel like it's so far away...
PS:But it's one step at a time, one small step...
PS:My small step was...
PS:Let me clean up my own mess, let me make sense of it, let me take one moment to
PS:care for me in a way that I haven't been.
PS:That creates the habit.
PS:I didn't know it at the time, I've since learned that I've since
PS:gotten certifications in time management and stress management
PS:become a habits coach, understood how it is that our minds work...
PS:but back then, it was one step at a time.
PS:As I started to clear the path and feel the difference...
PS:I felt encouraged.
PS:That's what I love teaching others, Because when you are in survival mode...
PS:You think it can't possibly get better?
PS:You feel so truly depressed by it...
PS:I love bringing the hope of saying...
PS:It's not going to happen all at once, but if you do this one thing...
PS:You'll feel the difference.
PS:And you know what you focus on you fuel and good begets more good.
PS:When our brains are trained to do this...
PS:We find it...
PS:It was just that one small step.
PS:I have a very vivid image in my mind's theater of times in my
PS:life, where I felt completely...
PS:I was in huge transition and transformation, and I felt I
PS:couldn't move forward, because there was just all this...
PS:Pile in front of me, a mountain of un-dealt with stuff, unresolved
PS:issues, relationship clutter...
PS:everything.
PS:So I get what you're saying it's not just physical decluttering, but it's mental
PS:decluttering, emotional decluttering.
PS:In fact, on that best friend's podcast, I did talk about that, as we grow and
PS:evolve, our friendships must also.
PS:That it may not feel really comfortable to think about it in
PS:terms, but in order to really feel good and successful and evolve...
PS:You have to do some weeding in your friendship garden.
PS:Absolutely.
PS:That gets into the idea of toxic relationships and things,
PS:but backing up even further...
PS:To give you a perspective on where I was coming at with clutter...
PS:When I first cleared out my clutter, it was physical, and I thought, I
PS:could help other people do this...
PS:and very, like literally...
PS:I did that as a professional organizer.
PS:What you touched upon is so important because the first time I
PS:stepped in someone else's home...
PS:To help them process this physical clutter...
PS:I saw, so clearly, how it was their head and their heart that was connected to it.
PS:And the more that I explored that, the more I realized...
PS:oh my gosh...
PS:This isn't extra clothing.
PS:You don't need...
PS:This is unprocessed trauma.
PS:This isn't books that you're never going to read.
PS:This is unprocessed grief.
PS:I started to make those connections.
PS:And I was so fascinated by that, I thought, the shortcut, if you will, is
PS:if we can get to the heart of the matter.
PS:And I guess that's how I've always been.
PS:I'm not a small talk kind of gal.
PS:You can mention the weather to me, but really I'm going
PS:to end up saying, how are you?
PS:And I really mean it...
PS:Go for it...
PS:You can tell me anything.
PS:So that's what I realized is...
PS:That if we dig down deep into that, what you're talking about, those relationships
PS:that don't work for you anymore, and all that, emotional baggage that we're
PS:talking about, that's the real clutter that we have to deal with, and that's
PS:affecting everything, it's affecting every choice we make, the energy that we have
PS:to tackle things, because really it's not time management, it's energy management,
PS:and our priorities, and ourself.
PS:Right?
PS:I saw that connection and I understood...
PS:It's so much more than making a pretty closet.
PS:I left that behind, I mean, I still help people.
PS:I will still help them virtually organize...
PS:But really, I would rather know...
PS:How are your relationships...
PS:What's your personality like...
PS:What are you still dealing with?...
PS:and How can we work around that for you to develop the
PS:life you truly want to live?
PS:Wow...
PS:I'm looking over my computer, looking at the clutter in my office, thinking...
PS:Oh boy...
PS:Can you get on a plane?
PS:So energy...
PS:Last name Banerjee, sounds like energy...
PS:My ears pick that up, and I'm not the expert in this area...
PS:What's coming to me is that physical clutter drains energy as a well,
PS:it's distracting, it's guilt forming.
PS:I can't think of any positive reasons...
PS:Why would we stay immersed in an environment that physically
PS:doesn't support us?...
PS:To be open and energetic, and joyful, and feel like we love
PS:ourselves enough to make that nice.
PS:Which sounds high and lofty...
PS:and I, I'm not trying to stand on a soapbox and preach here...
PS:But going back to the relationship part...
PS:The same thing is happening, right?
PS:If there are people around us, that for habit...
PS:upbringing...
PS:We think it's our responsibility, it's uncomfortable.
PS:We don't know a path forward.
PS:Obviously we don't push everybody off the cliff...
PS:But there are ways to reallocate those relationships in
PS:the priority of our lives.
PS:And that to me is critical...
PS:To move forward and grow.
PS:And for me growth is important, because if we're not growing, and
PS:evolving, and being the best that we can utilizing all of our strengths
PS:and abilities and experience then how can we possibly lift anybody else?
PS:Or be a role model...
PS:To be a trailblazer.
PS:Whether that's for our clients, or it's our daughters or granddaughters,
PS:or our neighbors, Right?
PS:In the community that we choose...
PS:Making space for those opportunities?
PS:Ya, I love that phrase, and I've often used that...
PS:To make space for what matters.
PS:I really like how you described this reallocating idea.
PS:That's so important because when people think of this concept of
PS:decluttering, in whatever fashion...
PS:I think there's a misunderstanding...
PS:That it means get rid of, get rid of and...
PS:I'll tell you right now...
PS:We have this tendency, as humans...
PS:Right?
PS:If I say...
PS:Give me that...
PS:You don't need that...
PS:What's your first instinctive reaction?...
PS:To hold it...
PS:Oh, wait, no, I might need it.
PS:I don't what...
PS:NO...
PS:As opposed to talking it through and saying...
PS:What do you want to do right now?
PS:And...
PS:What do you need to do that?
PS:What would be the best thing in your space right now to help you do that?
PS:And does that item...
PS:Help you do that?
PS:Does it belong there?
PS:Does it fit?
PS:Is it seasonal?
PS:You know...
PS:What's going on with it?
PS:And as you start to explore those questions, and you
PS:stay in question mode...
PS:So you're not judging, you're just asking the questions, and you realize...
PS:Oh...
PS:I guess I don't need this, or doesn't belong here.
PS:With people, it can feel more complicated...
PS:There's obligations, and family structure, and culture, and certain
PS:expectations that we take upon us.
PS:You mean I can't take my husband and drop him off at Goodwill?
PS:Well, right now, I don't know if there's still COVID restrictions...
PS:But yes, exactly!
PS:I just want to make a comment to our audience that...
PS:At the moment you're listening to this on audio, but very soon I have
PS:a plan to have this also on YouTube.
PS:And, when you watch this episode with Lisa and I a, you will see how beautiful she
PS:is and how beautiful her background is.
PS:But also you will see that this, flush on my cheeks.
PS:Isn't all cosmetic.
PS:It's the awareness of...
PS:Oh, that's me.
PS:I'm warming up...
PS:Thinking, Oh...
PS:I'm doing that...
PS:I'm holding on...
PS:In case...
PS:What if...
PS:and Wow...
PS:You just got me girl...
PS:Because...
PS:I'm all about preaching abundance versus scarcity...
PS:And here I am, I'm stuck in scarcity, because I don't
PS:want to let go of the stuff.
PS:All right.
PS:Lie down on the couch, Dr.
PS:Lisa is in session.
PS:And, you know, you're in good company.
PS:You truly are.
PS:We all go through it, and that's why this reflection is so important.
PS:It's completely okay.
PS:Remember too, that when we have certain actions that we do, like you
PS:said, why would you keep clutter around your office for example?
PS:Well, there's a number of reasons.
PS:Many times, people don't have a process that works for them, that
PS:will help so that they don't panic about a forgotten to do.
PS:Many people like oh...
PS:Out of sight out of mind...
PS:Well, if you have a proper process...
PS:If you have a system in place...
PS:That's what I help teach...
PS:Then you can set something out of sight, it doesn't have to be right in your way...
PS:Visually reminding you, and nagging you, because you're right...
PS:That clutter...
PS:it's guilt inducing...
PS:And it reminds you of the unfinished tasks...
PS:and our brains love that.
PS:I'll tell you right now...
PS:If I said...
PS:Hey, what did you do last week?
PS:What did you accomplish?
PS:You'd probably have to pause a little bit, maybe check your notes if you have them.
PS:Most of the time, the answers, not much, but if we sat here and talked
PS:about it, I promise you you'd blow me away with what you accomplished.
PS:But we don't sit and savor that, we don't celebrate it, and our
PS:brains, are in part a cause of that.
PS:Because our brains are like...
PS:Onto the next...
PS:What's the unfinished task loop that we have to get to...
PS:Let's do it.
PS:So, that is what clutter does...
PS:We are scared sometimes to put something away because we don't want to forget.
PS:You can learn new ways to do it.
PS:Okay...
PS:Now you're definitely looking inside my soul.
PS:Cause that's my justification...
PS:Well, if I put that away, I'll forget...
PS:That I need to get back to that...
PS:because like you...
PS:Like so many women, probably the majority, not the minority.
PS:We're spinning multiple different plates at the same time.
PS:We're trying to be a parent, a friend, a business owner, a community volunteer...
PS:Uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
PS:And I do...
PS:and I am...
PS:My eyeballs are flitting around this room thinking...
PS:Oh my Lord...
PS:That's exactly what I'm doing.
PS:I'm leaving it there...
PS:To remind me that I didn't...
PS:Dot that I...
PS:Didn't draw the little heart on that...
PS:or, you know...
PS:Whatever.
PS:So I also feel if this isn't just you and me, I know this for sure,
PS:from my own personal experience.
PS:And I know it from statistics.
PS:Women, particularly, 50, 60, seventies, eighties...
PS:There's so much transition going on so much evolution.
PS:And I got one high-heel stuck in that decade, and one
PS:sandal stuck in the next one.
PS:I'm straddling, I'm doing the splits, and in between...
PS:You're right, if I'm not reallocating, divesting...
PS:Then wow...
PS:I'm going to fall over those piles.
PS:That's right...
PS:Letting those obligations, whatever they happen to be, whether
PS:they're people or the things...
PS:Drain your energy...
PS:that's what happens.
PS:There's so many aspects of this...
PS:Saying, listen...
PS:I'm at a point where I have so much to give, but...
PS:Who am I giving it to?
PS:Where am I giving it?
PS:How am I giving it?
PS:And...
PS:How am I setting up my environment?
PS:In every way...
PS:The physical environment, mental and emotional environment, my
PS:friendships, my support group...
PS:All of that...
PS:To truly lift me up, we want to lift others up, we need to make sure
PS:that we have the resources as well.
PS:You're so right, because you can't lift...
PS:If you're not strong enough...
PS:If you don't have the energy to do so.
PS:And by the way...
PS:Who would want to accept a hand up from somebody that looks like they're going
PS:to fall right off the damn ladder?
PS:I'm curious, cause this is really got me thinking, Lisa and I'm intrigued about...
PS:How to really examine the various aspects of my life and my behaviors
PS:in this way of thinking...
PS:How do you work with the clients, especially in light of what's
PS:been going on with the pandemic,
PS:Tell me more about what the question is within that question.
PS:Do you have to work in person with your clients to achieve success?
PS:Or can you do it remotely?
PS:I do everything remotely.
PS:Do you normally work one-on-one or do you work with more than one?
PS:At this point, I'm primarily one-on-one and in a big part,
PS:because I do productivity, perhaps a little differently...
PS:I guess we relearn what it means, I'm not about the hustle culture.
PS:I am not about it meaning to do more...
PS:I actually mean productivity is doing less, and living more...
PS:And breathing easier while you do it.
PS:It's about finding...
PS:What really needs to be done.
PS:Checking in, reallocating...
PS:I love that word that you used.
PS:Prioritizing and figuring out the most efficient ways to do things, and
PS:how to streamline, and how to make everything that you do authentic,
PS:and purposeful and intentional.
PS:So that's relearning what we really mean by productivity.
PS:And it can be very personal.
PS:I work with personality quizzes, and types...
PS:And we talk about things that are happening in your life.
PS:it's a very high trust place to be.
PS:But once you do this work...
PS:It changes the game for how you approach everything else.
PS:Well you're certainly making me think about the oft used label for busy
PS:women and that were multitaskers.
PS:Okay.
PS:What are you going to say about that?
PS:Uh, ho how much time do you have?
PS:No...
PS:We'll make it quick...
PS:But we'll make it effective, right?
PS:That's what I'm all about.
PS:Let me put a place holder invitation here, cause I can...
PS:I think we should have a whole interview conversation if you
PS:will, about that label...
PS:Multi-tasker, because it has been a badge of pride.
PS:For women for decades.
PS:And you know what?
PS:That pin on the back of that badge has been pricking me for a long time.
PS:So let's talk about that in more depth...
PS:But today, summary on your thoughts on that.
PS:We can absolutely dig into this another time.
PS:Summary and my thoughts for right now.
PS:Multitasking in the way that we think of it...
PS:Is somewhat debunked, and let me tell you why...
PS:what our brains are always doing, are task switching.
PS:depending upon the task, you can switch easily.
PS:For example, if you are walking...
PS:And you mostly have it down...
PS:the way I trip, sometimes I wonder if I still have to work on it,
PS:but most of the time you're like, I got the walking thing down...
PS:I know where I'm going, maybe I'm going on a daily walk.
PS:I'm good to go.
PS:You can talk to someone else, listen to a podcast.
PS:You know what I mean?
PS:So then what you're doing is...
PS:you're matching up tasks and doing them simultaneously.
PS:But...
PS:You notice how..
PS:When you're driving in a car, and you're listening to a podcast to
PS:the radio, something like that...
PS:And then there's traffic up ahead, or an accident, or something's happening...
PS:What do you do?
PS:You turn down the radio, right?
PS:Because you need to focus.
PS:Want you to think about that task match up, in everything that you do...
PS:and the more we try to do simultaneous tasks...
PS:The more our brains, which work in sequential fashion, not simultaneous.
PS:That means we have to switch.
PS:When they're tasks that really need our focus...
PS:Or are draining our energy in some way, which can be a combination of things...
PS:We lose energy and focus every single time.
PS:There's research that shows...
PS:20 minutes...
PS:When you switch a task, and you try to get back to something you were doing,
PS:that you've lost 20 minutes right there.
PS:If you get interrupted three times, you've lost an hour.
PS:There's so much to this.
PS:So can we multitask?
PS:Yes.
PS:Do we want to?
PS:That's the question!
PS:Another aspect of the re-learning or productivity...
PS:in my vernacular with the Encore Catalyst, I talk about writing the script, for
PS:the next and best part of your life.
PS:And so that would definitely be an important aspect of
PS:rewriting that script...
PS:That no...
PS:I'm not a hero if I say I can multitask, and do 10 things at a time and not
PS:drop any plates and break them.
PS:BS girls, BS, it's not the most productive thing, and if
PS:I understand you correctly...
PS:It's also not the healthiest thing for us.
PS:Is that right?
PS:Yeah, I would say that because when we're forcing the multitasking, and
PS:we're draining our energy and it's not working, and then we're making
PS:mistakes, then that increases our stress.
PS:The minute you add to that stress response, and you keep triggering it...
PS:You're going to have wellness issues, for sure.
PS:My mother's voice just appeared in my head.
PS:Unfortunately my mother has left this planet many years too early, but
PS:she always said haste makes waste.
PS:Yeah, that was a good one, and there's a reason for that.
PS:When we rush, and we're trying to do multiple things at once...
PS:We think it's efficient...
PS:And a lot of times, you had to go back and redo something, fix a problem.
PS:So how was that productive?...
PS:That's really the question.
PS:Absolutely...
PS:Wow.
PS:Okay.
PS:Because I'm a newbie podcaster.
PS:I'm always excited to share this experience and learn
PS:from other podcasters...
PS:What inspired you to start your podcast?
PS:Well for starters, it is a wonderful way to get the message across of
PS:hope of encouragement of bottom line, whatever it is you're trying to do.
PS:It doesn't have to be that complicated...
PS:We love to complicate things...
PS:and I want to encourage that, and have fun while we're doing it.
PS:But more importantly, and this actually leads back to productivity,
PS:especially as entrepreneurs...
PS:I love having conversations with people and talking with people.
PS:And so when you want to put your content out there, when you want
PS:to share your wisdom freely, there are different platforms you can do.
PS:I try a blog at first because someone said, Hey, you need to have a blog.
PS:And that was the sound of dust on my blog...
PS:Because I ignored it and I wouldn't write.
PS:And it's like...
PS:I'm a fine writer.
PS:I'm an okay writer, but I didn't love it.
PS:Talking on podcasts, having conversations with women like you.
PS:Oh my gosh.
PS:It's just the best.
PS:So I leaned into the thing that I love, to achieve the thing that
PS:I want to do supports my why.
PS:I am so glad that you did, and there's no dust on your podcast I, um, I have a crush
PS:on you on your style, your conversational style, your voice is so inviting.
PS:I love the guests that you choose.
PS:So to all of my audience, I encourage you to follow Lisa's
PS:Positively Living Podcast, and I'll put the link in the show notes.
PS:Before we wrap today, but I've already got...
PS:You heard me, everybody out there in the world...
PS:I have a commitment from Lisa to come back...
PS:We have some things to talk about.
PS:And before we wrap up, I have a question for you that I like to ask, and that
PS:is, will you share something about Lisa that we probably can't find on Google?
PS:Well, I'm trying to decide between two things that I've done in the past, and
PS:I'm going to go for the less obvious one.
PS:The obvious one, just as a bonus was the fact that I worked as a voice talent
PS:ago, and I don't know if you could...
PS:No!!!
PS:I feel validated!
PS:But the one that I thought would make the most sense today is the
PS:fact that I used to do martial arts.
PS:I studied TaeKwonDo for 4 years.
PS:Again, something else for me to crush on.
PS:Cause it's still on my list.
PS:I am no longer calling it my bucket list.
PS:It's my epic shit list.
PS:And I am going to pursue something I've I always said I wanted to
PS:another famous podcast title from our friend, Liz Sumner from the
PS:Global Serial Entrepreneurs Summit.
PS:Her podcast is...
PS:I always wanted to and so that's what I am in pursuit of doing now.
PS:Okay.
PS:But see...
PS:I'm always surprised when my guests say the answer to the question cause
PS:like...Hmm...Didn't see that coming.
PS:It's a great question, love it!
PS:Cool.
PS:In conclusion, I want to thank you again.
PS:I thank you so much for the really open and generous sharing of your wisdom
PS:and your life experience, because that's what Lift As You Climb means
PS:for me, that we have an ability, a responsibility, an opportunity, to
PS:help out others, and lift them, by continuing to climb ourselves, it just
PS:increases our influence and our impact.
PS:And I know that's what you do.
PS:So, for my audience, please...
PS:Be aware of how wonderful this opportunity is, to be
PS:introduced to Lisa, to follow her.
PS:Go out there and find her in the world, she's constantly
PS:dropping pearls of wisdom...
PS:And she's cool and she's fun, and she likes cats...
PS:I could just go on and on...
PS:Show some love and appreciation everybody!
PS:Support us, and we're going to continue to support you!
PS:Lisa, would you like to say anything in parting?
PS:I'll share my favorite quote.
PS:Hopefully I get it right.
PS:If not, we'll call it a paraphrase from Sophia Bush, which is...
PS:You are allowed to be a masterpiece, and a work in progress, simultaneously.
PS:Wherever you are right now.
PS:I want you to celebrate all you have done.
PS:Keep striving for more.
PS:Celebrate everything you've done so far.
PS:And even being here right now and trying to make the most of who you are.
PS:That was the best closing I could ask for.
PS:Thank you, Lisa.
PS:Talk to you soon.
