In this episode, Frank and Rodney chat with Denise DeLuca. Together, they explore what Denise calls the 'Conventional Paradigm' and how this way of living and being (aka the 'real world') lies at the heart of many of our current global challenges. In turn, she suggests one way out of this is to understand and re-embody our Natural Paradigm - our true authentic self - which enables us to flourish in harmony with the natural world.

You Can Find Out More About Denise's Work Here:

www.wildhazel.net

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