Are the Democrats doomed in 2024? Or will the US get a rerun of 2020? In this episode, Jack and Jaden sit down with Jonathan Martin, Politico’s politics bureau chief and senior political columnist, for a discussion about what the future holds for Trump, Biden, America’s political parties, and journalism. Jonathan dons his campaign hat and outlines what Biden must do to defeat Trump in 2024 (hint: get the Clintons on board). Amid the rise of AI, he also reflects on the future of journalism: Will journalists like Jonathan even exist in a decade?

Jonathan is also the author of the 2022 book This Will Not Pass: Trump, Biden, and the Battle for America’s Future. Check out his political column here. It’s a treat.