CRM is heading for the same automation wave that erased the ad operations team fifteen years ago — and brand marketers aren't ready. Eric Miao of Attentive explains what survives, why most companies don't really have a brand, and why earned media is getting impossible to trust.

Rick Watson talks with Eric Miao, chief strategy officer at Attentive, about the coming shift in CRM: why the daily hand-made-decision model was always a gap filled by weak tools, why channel best-practices keep getting confused with brand voice, and how fake avatars and planted virality are draining trust from earned media. Eric also cools the Google-to-zero panic for commerce, points to shopping as the lowest category for LLM referrals, and lays out what CMOs should stop doing — and where their people's real advantage lives.

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Chapters

0:00 Cold open: CRM's ad-ops moment is coming

0:43 Eric's ad-side origin: from Twitter to Attentive

1:06 Why the ad-ops team disappeared

2:16 CRM's data gap: 100 billion points vs six

3:55 Do brand marketers know what's coming?

4:27 Where brand captures all the profit

6:17 AI tailwinds and the pop-up nobody remembers seeing

9:04 The company with four brand voices

16:47 Owned relationships as the last trusted channel

18:24 Is Google going to zero for commerce?

20:16 What CMOs are underweighting on Mondays

23:34 Attentive's real problem: automating journeys without the black box

26:35 The marketer is the process

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