Ever felt like you're doing all the "right things" but still feel stuck, anxious, or like something's missing? In this powerful conversation, mindset and energy coach Lesley Calvo shares her raw journey from global jewelry business success (think Dior, Cartier, Vivienne Westwood) to lying on her kitchen floor contemplating suicide—and the non-traditional tools that helped her completely transform her life without medication.

What You'll Learn:

1. The mindset shift that changed everything for Lesley (hint: it involves what you're "feeding" yourself)
2. NLP demystified—and why it once got a bad reputation
3. How Dior literally called HER out of the blue (manifestation is wild, y'all)
4. The 3-minute morning habit that makes you 27% more likely to have a sh*tty day
5. A simple parenting phrase that breaks generational trauma cycles

Real Talk Moments: Danna opens up about her terrible experience with a therapist who pushed medication and literally fell asleep during their sessions. Megan raises the important question about mob mentality and how negativity seeps in through social media. And Lesley shares the hilarious generational story about why three generations of women cut the top off their lamb before cooking it.

Lesley's Parting Wisdom: "If you want to save the world, you have to save yourself first."

Connect with Lesley Calvo: https://www.lesleycalvo.com/

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Hi, I'm Leslie Calvo.

I'm a mindset and energy coach.

I am today's guest on the So Freakin Healthy podcast.

And today we'll be sharing with you and talking about how we can use non

traditional ways to be able to deal with depression, anxiety, fears, to

allow you to lead an easier, freer, happier, and more successful life.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Hey Donna, how you doing today?

Hey Megan.

I almost don't want to answer that question.

question somehow.

Really?

Please do tell what is on your mind, Donna.

So you already know this, but for our listeners, as you know, we've

been, we just jumped on this whole journey of starting a podcast

together and we've, we're just experiencing a lot of technical issues.

And it's driving me fucking

Megan J. McCrory: ballistic.

Yeah.

I mean, I always prided myself on a person who has been able to handle

like new platforms, new tools.

And even I have become frustrated at our situation.

So we started using zoom and I think actually the entire

world knows how to use zoom now.

And we should have all bought zoom 2020, um, and we said, okay, that's

fine, but we want to do video.

Right.

And I think that's definitely something we haven't talked about yet on the

podcast, but you know, YouTube is a, is a whole platform in itself and we

thought, okay, we're both, you know, semi likable people and we have pretty

good smiles, so maybe we could also put our faces out there and as another,

just another way to, to like meet people and, uh, So we said, okay, so we should

definitely have video and, and uh, audio.

And so we're doing all these things.

We're using these platforms that are meant for podcasters, like separate audio,

separate video, separate this, and then the editing software that's meant for

podcasters and somehow all these beautiful things that are supposed to work.

I think they're just so new.

They're such a, they're so.

In their infant stages, I feel, or somehow , as I think you mentioned the other day,

when you step into the realm of something, somehow your energy just shuts down.

Technology,

, Danna Levy Hoffmann: I

Megan J. McCrory: don't

Danna Levy Hoffmann: understand it because I was always, I'm the same as you.

Like, okay.

In the last few years I just gave up on that shit.

But um, I was always like, all right, new program, let's do it.

You know, easy.

Let's just gimme an hour.

I'll figure this shit out.

But man, oh man, when things break, when you don't even touch

them, that's just bad juju.

I don't know what it is, but we're fighting through it listeners.

So please bear with us.

We were hoping to already have more episodes out.

We're struggling, but we're pushing through, which means a lot, because

I know that if I was on my own.

I would have been like, fuck this shit.

I'm moving on.

I'm not doing this anymore.

And I know that Megan would have been the same, but maybe Megan

would have stretched another month and then would have been the same.

But because we're doing this together, I feel like that this is exactly why I

feel like we're going to push through.

We're going to make this happen because we have such gold.

Waiting for you to be heard, to listen to,

Megan J. McCrory: and speaking of good stuff.

So we have a good guest today and I'm excited to meet

her because you've met her.

Well, I mean, she's your friend or your, yeah, you've known her longer than me.

So, uh, I like the fact that a lot of our guests, I don't know, because I feel

like I get to meet all these new people.

And again, that's kind of the reason why we keep doing this is because.

It's just such a lovely thing to meet new people and to, to really

dive into these good topics.

So we will persevere through our technical issues and we will be coming at you soon.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: All right.

Let's talk to Leslie now and hopefully she'll make us feel a

little bit better about our struggles.

Hey Leslie, welcome

to our podcast.

How are you doing?

Hey, Dana.

Hey, Megan.

Yeah, I'm doing really well.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for inviting me on your podcast.

Pleasure to be here.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: We're super excited to have you on.

For our listener, Leslie is just a gorgeous, gorgeous human being.

She's a mindset and energy coach.

And I don't remember even when we met, but I just know it was an

instant, like birds were singing.

I was like, I love this lady.

I don't know why there was like a direct connection.

And when I heard your story, which I can't wait for Megan to hear,

and for our listeners to hear, I was like, wow, we have a lot more

common than we actually think.

So I'm super ready to dig in and ask you a bunch of questions, but I want

to hear from you first of all, because that's our, usually our first question.

Why are we having you on a so fricking healthy podcast?

Why?

Is your job connected to

health?

That's a great question.

Thank you, Dana.

Um, yeah, and I had the same thing when we met as well.

It was gorgeous.

Yeah.

Uh, so Because I believe that health, you know, I, I work with people's

mental health, so I work, um, and I believe in the same way that you

wouldn't feed yourself rotten food, you shouldn't feed yourself rotten thoughts.

And I believe that a lot of our psyche and our soma, so our

mind and our body are linked.

And I believe that you need both elements to have a truly

fulfilling and healthy life.

Megan J. McCrory: So it was beautiful.

It was good.

It was nice.

It's it's like a like a poem, almost.

Yeah,

Danna Levy Hoffmann: thank

Megan J. McCrory: you.

Thanks, Megan.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: It is it's so true and Megan and I, I think it's probably

said it a few times already on on other episodes, where The common ground that

Megan and I have as a health coach is that we went to the same school where,

um, they do talk about the primary food and the secondary food and the primary

food is actually, you know, physical activity and relationships and career.

And so everything kind of that we're looking at in terms of a psychological,

emotional and physical aspect.

And that's the primary food, right?

So we always say, like, you can eat the most beautiful food, but if you're

stressed, chronically stressed, or if you're depressed, or if you're

kind of like, not, um, not balanced within yourself, I like to say, then,

yeah, the food will only do so much.

But you're not at a healthy state.

And so I love that you're actually focusing on that.

And I think that's where we always discuss how we complete each other

in that way, where, you know, you're really working on the psych and, and

how that all works and how all of that.

falls into place.

So I think it's a perfect place.

I know it's, we're jumping right in, listener, but I would love for them,

for everyone to hear your story, right?

How you actually even got into this and what happened to you in the

past that actually made that happen.

Yeah, thank you.

I love that as well with the primary and secondary food.

I've never heard of that.

So thank you for sharing that with me because I think it's really,

really powerful and so true.

Um, so yeah, I'll tell you a bit about my story.

So I have always been an entrepreneur.

So, but I haven't always been doing what I'm doing.

I left university when I was 26 and I wanted to build my own business.

I did a jewellery design degree and I was like, right, I want

to be a jewellery designer.

So anybody who knows who's got started up their own business at

the beginning, I had two jobs.

I was trying to hustle to make it happen.

I was like a cleaner and doing all these things.

And then I built it and I, and I grew it.

And actually quite quickly, it became like a global success.

I was selling all around the world.

At the same time I was working for, I was consulting for companies such

as Cartier and and Vivienne Westwood.

So.

But from the outside, my life looked like, you know, I, you know, I

had everything, it looked perfect.

And, you know, and I bought all the shiny things, you know, I had a

house, car, done all that stuff that we're sold is going to make us happy.

Though on the inside, it was a very different story.

I was at the time, um, massively depressed, hugely anxious.

I had massive anxiety.

I had, um, imposter syndrome, I was like crippled with the feeling that I was

going to get found out at any moment, that I was just a, you know, I was a fraud.

Um, and that was feeding my depression.

I had depression at the time and, and I was, there was, um,

it was very suicidal as well.

I had many times when I, I just, I didn't think I was going to make it.

And, um, I really remember there was one particular moment where I, I

was laying on my kitchen floor and I was like, you know, I'm out of here.

I'm this, you know, I just can't do this anymore.

I can't carry on anymore.

And, and it was like, it was almost like a light bulb went

off in my head at that moment.

It's like, right, something has to happen.

I, I, you know, and I decided at that moment that I really was determined

that I was going to, I was going to live, you know, I wanted to be here.

I wanted, I didn't want to check out.

I really wanted to be here.

And so at that point I decided I needed to do something to find out

how I could change the way that I thought and felt about myself.

Cause that was the problem.

I was living in like a prison of my own thoughts and my own self, self

hatred, really, you know, I was just, yeah, I was in a really, um, a space.

Of just feeling that I just wasn't, you know, that I I even, I remember even at a

time thinking that people were better off without me, you know, that my, my, even,

even my like closest friends and family.

And so at that point I was like, right, I'm going to, I have to do something.

I can't carry on anymore.

So I decided to study how the brain works because I knew

my thoughts weren't healthy.

And how I felt, I was like, you know, okay, how do I change how I feel?

How do I change the energy?

How do I change my body?

So I went on a bit of a mission at that moment and I became an NLP

master practitioner, which is learning how, how the brain works and how.

The linguistics in your head, how you can change them.

I became a hypnotherapist.

I became a reiki master.

I was, um, I was going in, in and joining Satsangs worldwide

with great masters meditations.

And I, um, became, as I began, began to transform my life.

So things started to change in my life.

Um, and I started to realize that, you know, everything that I was.

Doing people started to notice around me and they started

to ask if I could help them.

And then at that point I realized Actually, what everything I'm learning

is teachable because I helped a few people and it transformed their lives.

And I was like, Ooh, and what I was doing with jewelry, I always, it was

really passionate about empowering women.

You know, that was my thing.

I was like, I wanted to make them feel good about themselves, but it

was by putting on something external.

And then what happened when I started to work internally for people, I

realized that this was a lasting change.

It wasn't going to just be taken on and off.

That this was something that, that could transform them inside out.

And then that started to grow and I started to feel like this

is it, like, genius moment.

It's like, this is what I'm here to do because I have like a

natural, um, I'm highly intuitive.

So I get a sense of what people need to expand and transform their lives.

So, and then as that grew and grew, then I decided, okay,

this is what I'm going to do.

Um, and it's, it's the most amazing job, um, because I'm, I'm seeing

people who literally come to me.

Feeling depressed or feeling stuck, feeling, um, small and great.

And then they leave feeling expanded, living the life of their dreams.

It's really, really amazing.

So I sold my jewelry business and I've been doing this for 15 years now.

So yeah, that's my kind of story in a nutshell.

Wow.

Megan J. McCrory: Wow.

That's amazing.

Uh, it's, it's, it's an interesting leap from jewelry to health, but when

you explain it, it makes perfect sense.

Right.

And, uh, I think that one of the things that stuck out to me is you, you named

a couple things when you were talking about what you did when you were

learning NLP, hypnotherapy, Reiki.

Now I personally, Only learned about these things probably about three or four

years ago when I started also Looking, you know My health coaching journey.

Could you maybe talk a little bit more about each one of these things

kind of just break them down?

Into like the nlp for dummies Reiki for dummies.

I'm sure at least one listener and that's the listener called my mom

who has never heard of these things.

So could you explain it for all of us who have never heard of those things?

Yeah, absolutely.

And, and actually since then I've added a lot of, a lot more of modalities

that I use, so I can talk a little bit about them as well, but NLP.

So NLP is neuro linguistic programming.

So neuro, the brain, linguistic language.

and programming.

The way that our brain works, we have thousands, if not millions of

bits of information coming to our brain at all times, but your brain

can only keep between seven and nine pieces of information at a time.

So what your brain does is it distorts and deletes the information.

So if you were going to describe a situation that happened last week,

it would be completely different.

from how I describe it.

And does that make sense?

Yeah.

So, so the way that the brain works and, and it's, and what NLP does is

it uses the way that your brain holds this information because our brain

holds it either through picture form, through sound or through feeling.

They're the main things that everyone has, they're called modalities.

And what you do is you use the, That exactly the same way that the brain

thinks and holds this information, you can use it to change your thoughts

and feelings and beliefs very rapidly.

Cause you use, it's almost like you use the language of your brain and you're

also using the language that you use to help people to make shifts and make

changes in their life very quickly.

It's an amazingly powerful technique.

Um, so that's NLP.

Is that clear for NLP?

Megan J. McCrory: Yeah, but I feel like when you're describing that, it sounds

like a tool that could be for very good, good, but could also be used for evil.

To know what it was.

Yeah, it was used.

There was that it got a really bad name at one point because it

was used in advertising a lot.

So it was used.

So it was taken it because the guys who I know actually trained and

met one of the guys who invented it, who was the creator of NLP.

And, um, He did it for purely for helping people transform

their lives in a positive way.

Though it was taken because you can manipulate people with it.

You can with language and stuff.

And it was used a lot for advertising.

So it got a bit of a bad reputation at one point.

Though it's down to the individual practitioner.

You know, and, and for you to feel the individual practitioner and feel that, you

know, that you click with them, that you believe that they have honest intentions.

And actually most people using it, I'd say everyone using it

actually in the self help and self development area is doing it for good.

advertising, you know, maybe, you know, they're doing it because they

want to persuade you in some way.

But I think most practitioners are using it in a powerful way that

helps you to transform and change.

But yeah, as it's a good point you brought up there, Megan, because it can be used in

Megan J. McCrory: that way.

And so when you learned how to do NLP, was that something Like, cause a lot

of times, you know, we're talking about a client and practitioner situation

where someone knows what they're doing.

So is that a situation where you can basically practice on yourself in

order to, or do you need somebody else?

Who knows NLP to kind of guide you

through that?

You, you can learn it.

You can learn it yourself though.

It's much more powerful if you've got someone, um, assisting you with it in

the same way as, you know, often you can't see what you can't see, you know,

so there's parts, you know, you've got.

Parts that beliefs maybe and, um, ideas about yourself that are just

so ingrained into your being or into your identity that you're not

aware that they can even be changed.

You know, whereas when you're with a practitioner what I do with

people I work with I use lots of different modalities well NLP is

just a small part of what I do.

They can actually see those areas that can be shifted and changed

and then they can help you out.

So it's more powerful when you do it.

You're, you're having it done to you, you know what I mean?

Megan J. McCrory: Yeah, well, yeah.

It's like, it's like even with the health coach, you know, we, we, we know, but

it's also, it's, it's beneficial to have somebody else asking the question.

So I think that's kind of what I was getting at.

It's because a lot of times people, you know, you can, you can do a lot

on your own in terms of awareness, meditation, mindfulness, these kinds

of things, which are, uh, obviously can be learned, uh, and, and practiced

on your own, but But it's like for me, like yoga, for example, of course I

can do yoga on my own, but I prefer to do yoga with somebody who can come and

kind of give me a small correction or put a little pressure somewhere, you

know, to get you deeper into a position.

I feel like that's the same for NLP and also for coaching and I'm

assuming for hypnotherapy as well.

I think you probably need a practitioner for hypnotherapy, right?

Yes, you definitely

need, well, you can put yourself in trance as well, as long as

you have ways, if you're experienced.

hypnotherapist, you can get yourself in and out of trance.

And we're actually in and out of trance all the time.

And it's a natural phenomenon.

So, you know, when you hit the snooze button, when you, and, and

it feels like it's been, you know, two seconds or it's been ages.

And, you know, and, or another way is when you're driving and you've been past a few

different stops on the motorway, and then you're suddenly like, Oh God, I'm here.

So trance is a natural phenomenon that we're in and out of all the time, but

when you use it in this way to actually help people make lifelong lasting

changes and transformations, then you need someone to go in with you.

I'd say with the NLP as well, if you want, cause you can, there's a,

there's a level you can do on your own, though, if you really want to

change beliefs that have been holding you back or, um, behaviors that you've

been doing for or patterns that you've been doing for a long time, then you

really need someone to come in with you and help you and support you in it.

Yeah, hypnotherapy is, um, it's, it's amazing because you actually

use the person's unconscious mind.

And there's another really powerful technique that I use called cognitive

phenomenological therapy, which is actually, everyone has within

them, their own inner healer.

their own inner wisdom.

And you use that, you connect to that part.

It's like reconnecting them to their soul.

And then their soul is the one that heals them.

It's really, it's amazing.

Like it's profound, the results and the speed of the

results that we get with that.

Yeah.

You're using the person's subconscious unconscious mind

to help them heal themselves.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I think that's incredible because I think that there's,

you know, I've been on my own health journey for, for, um, More than a decade.

And I think that that, you know, there's a lot to say about every coach needs

a coach as we're all saying here, you know, because you always see something

as a, as a, as an external person, right?

As a third person, you always see things in a little bit of a different light.

And the fact that you're not just projecting things on yourself.

We all know the self sabotage that we grew up with of just speaking to

ourselves in a way that I would never dare to speak to any of you in a way

that my brain speaks to myself or my children or my husband, you know, there's.

No way, but we tend to do that to ourselves.

And so I think that external person is definitely the one who's going to,

it's going to go like, Whoa, wait, you don't deserve, you know, being told

that you're terrible or that you ruined everything or that, whatever it may be.

Um, but I think that in, in terms of, you know, just, just tapping into

the subconscious, I think there's so much there because there are

things that could have happened.

When we're even too young to remember, let alone the fact

that most of the memories that we remember are not actually accurate.

I mean, like, the things that we remember could be because of a story that was

repeated to us, and it's completely different, actually, than, than what we

were told, or, you know, when I speak to my sisters, and we talk about the same

exact events, same exact time, and each one of us will have a different story.

And it's not because any of us are wrong.

It's just because we each saw it from a different direction.

We each remembered it in a different way.

And so now it's ingrained in us in a different way, but it happened

the way that it happened, but you know, it's just how we perceived it.

And so it's a bit of a mindfuck on the one hand, because you're kind of going like.

Oh, wow.

That's just kind of crazy because then did the tree make a noise when

there's no one in the forest type of question like what, what actually

happened, but does it actually matter.

No, because the question is how did it affect you, and how is it affecting you

on a day to day, and what can you do to use that power to actually help yourself

to come out of a certain funk or come out of a certain pattern that you don't

necessarily want to continue with in life.

Absolutely.

And it's interesting because that self sabotage that you

were talking about is created from those experiences, you know, and we

start to limit ourselves at a really young age because we're born infinite.

We're born with joy and happiness as our birthright.

If you look at a child.

They are, you know, they're just, unless there's something actually

wrong, they're just, you know, having a nice time, you know, they're not

comparing themselves to other babies.

They're not like thinking, okay, Oh God, you know, I, you know,

when they first walk, they're not, they're not saying to themselves,

Oh, Oh, I'm obviously not a walker.

Look at all those other babies who are walking and I'm not walking.

You know, they just, you know, we're in a completely different state.

And what happens?

We start to limit ourselves with ideas.

about our identity, what we can and can't do.

And we start to label ourselves and give ourselves these stories about ourselves.

And what happens is thoughts become beliefs.

And when we have beliefs and limitations, then our actions

start to change because of them.

And they're only thoughts and their only beliefs.

They're not you.

They're not solid.

They're not you though.

They've been there for a long time.

So they feel like you.

And actually when you unpack them and change them and you can

go underneath and release those beliefs and let them set them free.

And you can see yourself in a new way and give yourself a new story and new labels.

And your life can completely change like completely in every single way.

Like I speak that from that from personal experience, you know, I used to hate

myself now I completely and absolutely love myself, like, and not in a, a

way that's, um, big headed, just in a, in a pure, I actually like who I am.

I actually think I'm a kind, nice person.

I can actually speak to myself as my best friend.

You know, I am my own best friend in my head.

And most of us are our own worst enemies.

And we're with ourselves 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

You know, we're constantly in this thing.

And then when you can actually learn the techniques and the

ways to be able to change.

How you think of yourself and how you feel yourself, then your brain and

your mind actually start to support that and help that though you need

to make those shifts first of all.

And then you live in so much nicer world, you know, my world,

inner world, because I'm now kind.

And it sounds really, the word kind sounds so trivial, but when you're kind

to yourself and loving to yourself.

Your whole world is different.

The whole way that you see the world is different because you come from a,

a pace of acceptance and understanding, which in itself is just, um, yeah,

it's the most liberating thing.

The most liberating thing anyone can give themselves is peace within

themselves, happiness, joy, and then all the other things come from it.

Success, um, you know, abundance.

All of those things come from that space.

So, yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful gift we can give ourselves.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Agreed.

I mean, I, I, I spoke about it a little bit in my kind of introduction of,

of, of us episode and, um, you know, I've, I've had a big stretch of time

in my life where I was, you know, clinically depressed on medication and

everything, just praying, praying and hoping that a truck will come and just

run me over to take me out of my misery.

And it was such a rough time and.

I know that you did it alone in a way and I have as well, which I kind of,

you know, now thinking about it, I was like, man, I could have had such a, an

easy time having someone like us kind of in, in the picture and helping.

But I think back then it wasn't even, I don't know if there wasn't much awareness

or maybe I was just in this cloud.

But.

You know, I always, when I, when I talk to my clients as well, and, and,

and just when I speak probably to anyone, I probably just drill a hole.

Probably Megan is going to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You've said that a million times.

I think everything has to start with self love.

Everything has to start with self respect because you know, if you're driving a

car and you don't like that car, you're not going to put gasoline on time.

You're going to run on empty.

You're not going to even know where to put the water in or, or the oil or

whatever it is that we do with cars.

Right.

And.

The same goes for our body, like if we're not happy within ourselves

and appreciative of our own body, we can't make the like an executive

decision to eat the right food or to navigate our thoughts to a more

positive kind of relaxed thinking.

And so everything kind of comes together in a holistic way where.

You have to start from the core, but then everything will just,

everything will bloom around it.

And even through hardship, it's actually easier to handle the hardship

because you're coming from that core of self love and self respect, right?

So you mentioned something really interesting and, um, and I want

to touch that because I know you have a really nice story.

story about it, and that's manifestation.

I have my own story about it.

I'm sure Megan does too, but we're going to leave that for a second.

And we want to hear from you.

What was your, what was the first time that you actually with manifestation

and discovered how powerful that was?

And maybe explain what manifestation is for Megan's mom,

I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Love Megan's mom already.

Um, I want to just say as well, cause you mentioned I did it on my own and

I actually, I had a therapist at the time if without him, I didn't go,

I didn't do have any medication and he was the one who introduced me to

cognitive phenomenological therapy.

He, he created it.

And, um, that's why I now I studied with him to be able to do it.

And I help people now come off medication, anxiety medication,

depression medication through that.

therapy.

So if it wasn't for him and that therapy, I don't know where I'd be, you

know, I really don't know where I'd be.

So I did get help.

I think you need help.

I couldn't have got myself out of that without help.

Either people go with medication.

Or they go with therapy and this type of therapy, I love so much because

it's nothing about the history and what you've been through and,

you know, dragging up the past.

What it is, is it's very much about where you are now.

And it's, it's claiming.

Parts of you that have been lost, that are empowering, that are strong, that

are powerful, claiming those parts of themselves, that, that, of yourself,

and bringing them forward so you reconnect to that part of yourself.

So I just wanted to clear that up so that, you know, 'cause I think therapy

and getting help is really important.

Whether it's for a coach, you know, I've got a coach, I think

you've got a coach as well.

It's, you know, it is.

fundamental in for many people to be able to really make that shift.

So

Danna Levy Hoffmann: no, no problem.

I mean, I, I honestly, I, I had a terrible experience with

a, with a therapist back then.

And that's why, you know, I had a therapist, he was just pushing drugs

on me and I, it took me a while to say, okay, fine, let's do it.

But then I just felt numb.

Like I didn't necessarily feel like it was helpful.

And when I was better because of the medication, he literally fell asleep in

front of my face while I was talking.

So I wasn't interested anymore.

So it was terrible.

So for me and me running towards, you know, doctors and saying, look,

there are things that are wrong.

And they just go, look, it's all in your head.

For me, that was what kind of navigated me towards self exploration and, um,

and just learning things and trying to figure things out on my own.

Which led me to the functional medicine.

But yeah, but yeah, thank you for sharing that though.

Yeah.

And I love how you said that as well, because something that I think a lot

of, um, therapists do, or a lot of, um, doctors tend to do is they tend to give

medication because they, but that's the only thing they know what to do.

And, and often, you know, it's the problem that is the key.

You know, it's the problem that is a key to your healing.

So when we push against it and we resist it, it's that gap that

becomes, you know, it becomes louder and louder and more and more.

And like you said, numbing, it doesn't do it, you know, it, it will help.

It can help lots of people.

And as I say, medication in that way, it can help a lot of people

if it's short term and there's ways that can be used it in though.

Yeah.

It's when you really go into that, um, Where the problem is, is where

often the gold is, is where the answers are, is where the healing is.

And then people can then, um, transform.

Yeah.

Manifestation.

I took us right off key again.

So manifestation, yes.

So manifestation for anybody who's not aware of it.

So we are energetic beings.

Okay.

And that's something I was always aware of since I was really young.

I was aware of different dimensions.

I was aware of different, um, energies.

Um, so that was something that came very normal for me, but if it's someone who.

Hasn't so Megan's mom and anybody else who hasn't come across this is we

are, um, energy and, and one way that we can really see this is that, you

know, sometimes you meet someone and you just instantly connect with them

before you've even spoken to them.

You're feeling them, or you can say all their energy was a bit

off or all that when they came in the room, they lit up the room.

Okay, or they come in and you're feeling that energy and they've measured and

they've taken photos of people's energy.

It's about.

About two meters around them you have an energy body, as well as your normal

body, so you're giving off energy and any vibrates everything that's

on the planet vibrates energy, and so you're giving off a vibration all

the time, like, almost like a wave sound, and what manifestation is and.

Manifestation is basically that you attract towards you

whatever you're vibrating at.

That's actually even going deeper into the law of resonance, which is, so

it, which is, it's a similar thing.

It's a little bit deeper, but it's a similar thing.

So whatever you're, you're believing and Feeling is what you are creating in your

life so you can draw towards yourself, experiences, and when you start to really

take responsibility for your own thoughts, you can really start to play with this.

And when you start to take responsibility and start actually actively realizing

you can change the way you feel.

then you can start bringing, um, you know, experiences, um, things, you

know, uh, uh, money, lots of things that come, can come towards you.

And, um, yeah, one of the, the, I've got a great memory because when I was, when

I left university, I was really, really sure that That I wanted to work with Dior.

It was like at the time, it was the only designer I wanted to work with.

And I had no idea how I was going to work with them.

Like none.

I come from Milton Keynes.

It's a little town in England and I was living in London.

You know, I just, there's no idea how I would get to France and speak

to and work with these people.

Though I just knew it, I knew it in my heart.

And I kept, I had a picture of Dior at the time, one of the pictures I love.

And I just, I just kept that belief and I kept that energy that I'm

just going to work with them.

I remember my boyfriend at the time, he was like, you're mad.

How on earth are you going to I don't know.

I just know I'm going to, I know I will.

And it was that knowing it was interesting.

And then I was just one day, I was at home in my workshop and

the phone rang and I answered the phone and it was Dior on the phone.

ringing me.

And I was like, and it was like, Oh, so, um, uh, would you like

to come and see the head of LVMH?

He would like to see the, the boss of Dior would like to come and see you.

And I was like, Oh my God, how did this happen?

And then I was like, you can imagine I had to sit down.

And how it had happened was that, um, I was in, I was some of the jewelry

that I'd done was in, a magazine.

And The wife of the boss of LVMH had seen it in a hairdresser

when she was in a hairdresser.

She looked at it and she took it home and she was like, I

think you should speak to her.

And so that's how it came about.

So if my brain would have thought to myself, okay, how can this happen?

Oh, I know.

I'll get into a magazine and then I'll be in that particular

hairdresser in Paris and that moment and she will come in at them.

There's no way you can think of this.

But what happens is that we are all connected and we're all connected

with energy and the universe, this energetic, this universal life force.

When we're giving out this vibration, things happen like, um, things happen

that can be in a different country or different awareness, because you're

giving off this feeling, this awareness and this knowingness, cause I was doing

that, then this happened, but there's no way your brain can think of it.

And this is the way that your mind can't understand this.

This is beyond your mind.

So, cause your brain wouldn't be able to work out all those little pieces,

but we are in universal energy and that energy can create miracles and

miracles are happening all the time.

And that to me was a miracle.

I was like, I can't believe that they just rang me in on my house.

So yeah, that was, that was my story about manifestation.

I'm sure you've both got great stories as well.

We

Danna Levy Hoffmann: started practicing visualization manifestation.

I don't remember when, but I have quite a few stories about it, but what, all

I can say as a very short kind of story is that my friends hate me because we

go Anywhere we're like, we'll go to the, to the, um, lakeside in the summer.

And for anyone living in Switzerland, you know, like when you go to the lakeside

at summer, when there's finally summer in Switzerland, if there's summer, it's

jam packed, everyone wants to be there.

And every single time we leave the house, we get in the car and I go to my family.

Visualize us parked right in front, right at the entrance of the pool,

like at the entrance of the place.

And we're all visually, and we're like talking about and where we're

going to park and we get there and lo and behold, someone just moves

out and clears the way for us.

And we always see our friends like schlepping all their stuff

and the kids and everything.

And they're like, what the hell?

Like they hate me.

Cause they're like, how did you, again, how did you find that parking?

I'm like.

Visualization.

And they really genuinely just can't stand me because they don't believe it,

because they, you know, it's so much easier to just continue living the way

that you do and just feeling miserable and letting the misery come to you.

But when you change your kind of direction of, of the energy, obviously, but just

of the, the thinking, and you just kind of pinpoint your thinking to something.

It works.

It just magically works.

And I can't explain it.

You obviously can explain it so much better than me, but it fricking works.

We got our car that way.

We got our apartment that way.

We get a parking every single time that way, every single time.

I'm not joking.

And it's just, it's just magic.

I love it.

It's magical.

I, you know, we adore it and we do it with the family all the time.

And it's just, it's awesome.

Try it out guys.

If you haven't yet, try it out.

Yeah.

I do the parking as well.

We call it parking angels.

And that's exactly it is.

It's visualizing.

So you see yourself in a certain situation, or you see the

result that you want happening.

And at the same time, you feel the feeling.

That's the really important thing.

You feel the feeling.

So you're changing your thoughts and you're changing your feelings.

So you feel how it would feel to have that, you know, to

experience that, to be doing that.

And that brings too much yourself, but yeah, we do parking as well.

Megan J. McCrory: I feel like I don't have a good story here because I'm

one of those people that, um, this doesn't come naturally to me, this

whole visualization and manifestation.

And I've tried affirmations saying it out loud and I just feel silly.

And I like, it's also one of those things for me.

I, if I don't see it, I don't do it.

I don't think about it.

Right.

So I have to really proactively put.

Words on walls or, you know, and I also come from the Bible belt in the States.

And so it's also, I have this kind of back of religion and, you know, when

you're talking about it, all I can think about is like, How somebody in my

hometown would have reacted to that and go, Oh, this is just a bunch of woo woo.

Uh, obviously, you know, the Lord has granted you that

parking spot for whatever reason.

And, uh, and as I had, you know, grew up in the church and then moved away,

I, I definitely see like a value also an energy of going and being with

a group of people who are like, for example, singing is an incredible.

form of energy.

Anybody who has ever done any kind of singing knows that you

can be brought to tears by the right song with the right chords.

And you don't understand why you're feeling these emotions.

Um, but it's, you're at church.

So you always relate this to a religion or, or wherever you're at.

So I don't know, maybe.

You could talk a little bit about how you approach this kind of energy

healing, Reiki healing and hypnotherapy, these kind of things that I think are

just very much in a religious sense, kind of, Oh, that's the devil's work.

You should never be hypnotized or energy.

Come on.

I mean, how do you address that kind, or have you had to address that kind

of discussion about those things?

Yeah, yeah, completely.

Um, it's really interesting, actually, when you say it, because even

though you might not have noticed yourself doing it with manifesting,

we are manifesting all the time.

And if you think, have you ever been in a situation where you have, um, I'll

address the religious parts afterwards, just where you've, where you've thought

of someone and they've texted you.

Or you've been, or you've thought of somebody and you just, and

they rang you like two seconds later because we are connected.

So that is a form of manifestation because it's just a connect, it's a connection.

You're connecting different, you're connecting energy with other people.

But as with, um, religion, because I, I believe it, I believe in God.

I believe in, in, you know, I think it has many names, source energy,

you know, lots of people have lots of different energy names and yeah.

Um, someone may say, God has granted you that parking space and yeah,

yeah, maybe it's source energy has, or, you know, whatever people

name it, whatever people call it.

And I've, and when people mention it as being something that's, um,

woo woo, it's interesting because this is, it's actual physics.

Like Einstein, when he was, um, studying, he said, one of his things that he

said is that your imagination is the preview for what is coming in your life.

And, and it is literally, and now they've actually like brain studies have actually

now caught up with, or, or can prove that what is saying, you know, what people say

before is the law of manifestation and it's kind of woo woo, but actually now

they've studied the brain and actually brain waves that are sent out, create

like, they literally create a wave.

So, so when you're sleeping, you have a brain wave.

And when you're in waking state, you have a brainwave and it's

literally, they can measure it.

Okay.

And they've measured actually, the waves that go out at the

waves that you actually attract.

So it is, it's actually, that's actually physics.

Although I know at the same time, religion and.

Science.

There's, there's some, um, uh, parts that, you know, can be really, um,

disagreed by with people or, um, you know, they, they decide that that is that

don't believe in that, but that's okay.

That's okay.

I believe that everyone has a freedom to, for their own beliefs and

everyone can have their own beliefs.

And that if someone doesn't believe something and it doesn't, if it isn't

in their belief system and they, and they enjoy and they love their belief

system, then I believe that, yeah, that's.

That's okay for them.

Nobody has to feel or think what someone else does just

because that's what we believe.

And, and when we have that power of being together, you know, you're saying

in church, that power of being together and that power of the energy that we can

create with others is so, so powerful.

And we can, and they've done studies with this as well with,

um, people, when they meditate together, which is a form of prayer.

It's a form of meditation is a form of praise.

Meditation is self love.

Okay.

It's breath and self love.

That's what it is.

And prayer is also a form of love and devoting.

So it's where you, where you put your attention to at that time.

And they studied, um, meditate.

They did one study at a company.

Um, it's like a charity called heart math.

They did a study in, it was in Washington in August when they

have the most crime happening.

And during that month, they had 2, 500 people meditating at various

times during the month together.

So they were just all coming together.

And in the same way as when people come together in church, you know, you feel

that energy in front of people together.

And they did, they looked at the studies, um, They actually saw that during

that month, crime went down by 25%.

And that was, there was no other thing that they could relate it to.

They checked the weather, they checked all the things, you know, all the things.

And it was so there was, there's a real power about people coming

together, we can make a difference.

And the same way as in church, you know, people can make a difference

when they come together with the same intention for love, for

spreading love in, in the community.

So, And I believe that, um, source energy, God, Allah, you know, whatever

you want to call it, whatever you want to call the higher being or

higher self, that that is love.

That is love.

And our, when we connect to that in whatever way, whether it's doing it in

a way that we're, you know, Consciously changing our thoughts because we want to

bring different things towards ourselves in our life, or whether it's a way

of that we're just wanting to spread love with others or within ourselves.

And I think that that is an extremely powerful energy to be connected

to, and to understand that we are.

All connected to it.

We're not separate from each other.

So yeah, it's, it's a very interesting topic and we could

be talking about it all day.

We're religion, science and spirituality, though.

Yeah, that's, that's my take, take on it and my belief with it.

Megan J. McCrory: A different aspect of that, though, and I'm curious about

your opinion on this is we've been addressing it from a positive light

of having this kind of good energy.

And I immediately thought about.

mobs mob mentality.

So I feel like the, the, the other, I mean, cause obviously lots of

craziness going on in the world, but it's like, um, you know, I can see

that very clearly in the physical way.

If you're around a group of people and this negative energy, this

kind of hatred or anger can be.

You know, absorb can you can get absorbed into that, especially when there's

thousands of people just like opposite the way if you're with thousands of people

who are enjoying themselves and having.

That's why people go to music festivals, right?

It's not necessarily the music.

It's the fact that there's a thousand people there having fun.

Fun.

Right.

And though, I feel like somehow this is also this negativity in the world is

also being translated then through social media and news and stuff like that.

And I can see this effect on people that I know, you know, like

people who in my lifetime were very happy people, happy individuals.

And now somehow this negativity has come in.

And I think that also goes to what you say on your website in this kind of term stuck

or, um, not the best version of yourself.

How do people like even recognize the whole like frog in the

boiling pot thing, right?

If over years and years and years, you just slowly get more negative, you're

not depressed or maybe you're not even, you know, maybe you're not even negative.

Like how does somebody transfer?

How do they actually come to the realization?

I'm stuck.

I need help.

Not, not depressed because I think that's clear.

Some people, even some people don't know they're depressed, but

like, how do people realize that?

Yeah.

Beautiful.

You brought some really amazing subjects up then.

So I'm going to go for a couple of them.

You're exactly right with this negativity.

It also seeps in.

It's really important for people to be aware of how much, what they're feeding.

You know what you're talking about before that primary What?

You're feeding yourself.

They, they've done studies on this as well.

It's really interesting.

If you watch three minutes of negative news, just three minutes of negative

news in the morning, you're 27 percent more likely to have a bad day again.

That's just three minutes.

So the amount of people.

Yeah.

Isn't it is, is unreal when you think of it like that.

So the amount of people who are soaking up negativity all the time, and it's

like, it comes in and it does affect us.

So we need to be consciously aware.

exactly the same of what you're feeding yourself.

And I think I've said this before.

I think I might have even said today, if you, if you're not going to feed

yourself rotten food, why would you feed yourself rotten thoughts?

And it's the same with what you're, what you're in taking in.

So, you know, the news that you're watching, the people that you surround

yourself with, You know, you know, it has an effect on you, what you're reading,

what you're hearing, all of these things, your environment does affect you and, and,

you know, the, the way that you can feel or start to be aware if you're feeling

stuck, most people are aware if there's something that's not right in their life.

Okay, most people are aware of that in some level, you know, maybe they're

in a job they're not happy with, in a relationship they're not happy

with, or maybe everything's okay, you know, but there's something inside

of them that's saying, and normally it starts with a little voice.

Something they're looking for something else, something's not enough.

They're not feeling fulfilled.

There's part of them that is wanting something more or, you know, they're

not feeling whole, complete and happy, you know, if you're feeling whole,

complete and happy, then you're, there's no problem, you know, stuck.

But many of us have been in situations or are in situations where there's

just something we know isn't right.

You know, maybe we're feeling like everything's okay.

Everything's okay.

But I know there must be more that happens a lot when people

come to me or they're surviving.

You know, they're living.

They're not thriving.

That's a big difference between surviving and thriving and the

awareness of that comes from within you.

It's feelings.

So it's a feeling you, you, we've got a GPS system in ourself

with our feelings all the time.

So we're given this natural GPS system.

So when you're feeling off.

Then it's like, okay, start to listen to your body more.

And one of the best ways to do that, one of the best ways to learn to do

that is through meditation or prayer.

Okay, so I'll say both things because, you know, it's coming into silence.

It's being within silence and listening.

That's the beauty of prayer, actually, is that you listen.

You're there and it's a conversation you're having.

So yeah, I don't know if that makes sense to you.

And same with meditation, you're, you're going into your silence.

You're going into your breath because your breath and your body

is always in the present moment.

Your body can't go into next week.

It can't go into last week.

Your brain can.

And often a lot of our problems come from worrying about the future

or regrets or shame from the past.

Yeah.

So what your, your body will do, your GPS system, you've got, your feelings

will do with give you, if you come into the present moment, you have this

connection to yourself through your breath, where you can start to listen to

yourself, listen to what your needs are.

And that's, what's happened.

Most of us are just in here.

We've become talking heads.

We've we're just completely in our mind.

You know, we're completely in the future and the past and we're not

even living the life that we're in.

We're not even present to what we're doing.

You know, we might be having an amazing time with people, but

our brain is somewhere else.

We're not even in it.

You know, on holiday, you're worrying about some, you know, you're at a

meeting and you're actually thinking about what happened last week.

You know, we're not here.

We're not present.

We're not really fulfilling our life.

And actually, um, thriving and enjoying our life in the way that we can do.

And it's, yeah, I think the first awareness in people is that

something doesn't feel right.

You know, there's something or they, or you get, um, the, the, the, the

call, like almost like a calling.

It's like, I'm, I'm not, is this it?

You know, that feeling of, is this it, you know, is this all life is that

is a first point to start is like, actually, there could be more for you.

There could be more that you can achieve or fulfill or more

happiness, more joy, more pleasure.

You know, there's so much that we can have in our lives that a lot of us are

just settling for a level that's kind of.

Yeah, it's okay.

It's okay.

But we live one life.

We're here in one life.

Megan J. McCrory: I had a, a friend asked me that one time cause she

knew I was a coach and she said, when is it enough to just be enough?

You know, Americans are always trying to improve something, right?

It's in our nature.

Like it could always be better.

Right.

And I think a lot of that's The comparison of the, the, the next

door neighbors and their car or their house and things like that.

So there's always kind of this level of expectation, but I was a little taken

back by the question when I got it, they're like, well, if I'm constantly

saying that I should be better at something, when it, you know, when,

when, when is this, when is it enough?

When should I be satisfied?

Because then I actually live in that moment.

And I was like, Oh, it's a good point because you know, you're constantly

bombarded with exactly the messaging that we have on all of our websites of how to,

you know, how to feel better, how to look better, how to, you know, uh, you know,

everything is better, better, better.

What do you, what do you

think about that?

Oh yeah, I love this.

Yeah.

Thank you Megan for bringing that up.

This is beautiful because your soul is whole, perfect, and complete.

You are perfect.

As the infinite being that you are is whole, perfect, complete.

There's nothing that you need to do or be or get because you,

you, you are already perfect.

That's it.

Your ego is the thing that always wants more.

Okay.

So your ego mind, that is your identity.

That is the, um, yeah, your, your physical body.

That's who you, who you believe you are here.

So this, this identity, the one that's got all the beliefs is the

one that's always searching for more.

It will never be enough.

There will never be enough for the ego.

It will always be searching for more.

And then the connection with the more you connect to your soul, to

your truth, because joy and happiness and peace is your birthright.

Like I said, you know, when a baby's born, content.

Not looking, not striving.

It's just content.

That is who we are.

We are infinite love.

We, we are, there's, there's nothing that you, that we need.

Though our ego is the one that's constantly, is the one who's that

voice in your head that's, you know, often our inner critic.

You haven't done enough.

You're not good enough.

They've got that house.

They've got that car.

Why aren't you?

That is not who you are.

That's just a set of thoughts and beliefs who you truly are your, your soul.

And we feel it in moments when maybe we're atop of the mountain or

maybe we're in a pit and prayer or exactly when you were in a group of

people, we feel ourself expanding.

That is who you truly, truly are.

So, Where I, what I teach people and where I come from is that you, that I am whole,

perfect and complete, and I'm open to receive more, more beautiful experiences.

You know, we're here as a, you know, we're here as a human being with this life,

so we might as well enjoy it and have fun and do things and have experience

and grow and learn and help others.

Though.

Yeah.

So, so yeah, I hope that does that make sense.

Have you got any questions?

Megan J. McCrory: No, that's beautiful because they, you're very eloquent

with your, and, uh, with the way you've described that it's something that a

lot of people probably need to hear because they don't know that that's two

separate things, like the, your soul plus this kind of ego version of yourself.

So I think that's.

Perfectly said.

It's very, I'm, I'm, I'm enjoying immensely learning from you and

the way you describe things.

I'm just excited.

Thank you.

You've said some really amazing questions, both of you today that have

really brought forward this message for people and also this, you know, These,

for me to be able to talk about things that I love, you know, because I'm so

passionate about that because I think so many people are stuck in the mind

and they're torturing themselves and they're, they're not allowing themselves,

you can't even say not allowing, they're unaware that there is this beauty, this

love, this depth of like, um, feeling whole and complete and enoughness.

You know what?

We've got a disease in our society that is, I'm not enough.

Everyone feels not enough.

It's crazy.

Everyone, I'm sure people come to you all the time and they just don't feel enough.

Underneath everyone's problem is that they don't feel enough.

And we are enough.

You're, you're more than enough.

You're perfect.

You're whole, you're complete.

There's, there's this infinite, you are an infinite, amazing, incredible being.

And once you start to connect to that and understand that, that is who you are.

Life can be so different in every single level.

It can be so different.

And I see it over and over again with the people that I work with.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: I, I do have something to share that actually connects

everything you guys were just talking about from when we started talking about

religion onwards until this moment.

Again, I'm, I'm thinking back to when I was deeply depressed and, and just in

the worst place in my life, physically, emotionally, mentally, everything.

And I mean, I grew up Jewish.

I, we pray, we talk to God, you know, I married a Christian.

So.

We have everything kind of going on in the family and, you know,

my go to was always to pray.

My go to was like, was always to talk to God, whether it was

a positive or a negative aspect.

And when I was, when I was really just in my lowest, I just remember

always complaining to God, just kind of going like, why God, why,

you know, why do I deserve this?

was basically the, the, the main kind of message from me to God

going like, what have I done to you?

What have I done to deserve this?

And I realized that one of the things that I've changed for myself and us

as a family, actually, and we talk about this a lot with the kids as well.

Is when I pray now, I will first start with thank you, right?

So I'm immediately thinking of everything that I'm grateful for, which makes

me feel like my heart is going to explode out of my chest at that moment.

Cause I'm like, Oh my God, there's so much beauty.

I mean, I have both, my parents are still alive and, and I have this

gorgeous family and an amazing husband and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And so that already kind of makes me feel like, wow.

What if what the hell have I got to complain about, you know, and then we move

on to kind of like, please, just please, please continue taking care of everyone

around me as only you can, you know, so that that's kind of like the next step.

And then, and then we go into like, okay, if we have something specific

to to pray for specific to ask for.

This is the time because we were thankful for these things.

And I realized that when I was just complaining, when I was on

autopilot of like, I'm miserable, what the fuck is happening?

Like, why is this going on?

It was as if everything that I was complaining about was just.

Getting bigger, right?

It was just as if and someone said it to me in a really interesting way.

They said, you know, you said there's so many ways of explaining saying God,

you know, some people say universe.

And to me, that's that's the same, you know, but someone

told me like the universe.

Here's the universe.

what you're talking about, but they don't hear the negative words.

Right.

So, so please don't catch my house on fire is basically saying like,

catch my house on fire, please.

You know, it, it doesn't hear the no.

And so when we're thinking of like, Oh God, please don't let this happen.

Just that as actually going to manifest in a net in, in, in the opposite way.

Whereas when we say, thank you, And where we say, you know, this is incredible

and this is amazing and look at all the positive things that I have in my

life and all of the great things and how is that even possible that my kids

are 13 and 14 and never broke a bone.

There are two boys wild ones, you know, like, All of the little things you're

thinking like, Whoa, I literally, all I did was change my, my thinking that's

all I could have done from a decade ago, more than a decade was almost 15

years ago to now, what have I done?

Yeah, I've changed my, my eating habits.

Sure.

And it definitely made a difference, but.

Not that big of a difference.

You know, I could have eaten.

Yeah, I didn't eat so terribly.

I could have eaten better.

Yeah.

But at the end of the day, all of the beautiful things that happen are the

things that we're grateful for, that we're thinking about in a positive way

and that we, that makes our heart grow.

That's all, you know, that's the only way I can kind of feel it when you're

working with a client and you feel like they're bringing you down, that's not good

energy, a friend, a family member, you know, that's not actually good energy.

And so.

We're then when we're with these people, we're intuitively going to be brought

down and think more negative or think, you know, kind of get into that spiral.

Whereas when we're around positive people or people that do us good, it doesn't

even have to be a positive people, but just people with good energy, um, then

we're feeling more positive, we're feeling happier and so, and that does

the trick on its own, which I find to be just really, really incredible.

I mean, it's, it's, it's so much fun to see.

that growth and to see that kind of like to feel those people around you.

It's so true.

And you

know, the interesting thing with that as well is that,

you know, the only thing that we can control is within us.

We can't control the external.

So, you know, when you were saying, why is this happening to me?

So, and it's what we tend to do is we tend to blame the external all the time.

So it's because of my, maybe my boss or the weather or the traffic or, you

know, so we'll blame the external for how we're feeling when actually what

we can do is, and take charge and take, um, ownership of how we feel and

what we're thinking, because it's, we often feel it's all happening to us.

But when we realize actually, the external, whatever's

happening there is my choice.

I'm in traffic.

I can either lose it, or I can be here and just think,

actually, I've got a bit of time.

I can just listen to the music.

It's all a choice.

Everything is all a choice.

And when you start to take responsibility for your choices,

your thoughts, your feelings, exactly what you said there, Dana, with

gratitude is an expansive feeling.

So you said, you know, your heart wants to burst.

Because what happens when you feel gratitude expand, you expand when

you're feeling fear, you contract.

Okay.

So it's just, and you can actually, we have these choices all the time.

We're just not aware at the beginning of their choices.

And then, and as you said, when you change your mindset, change your

beliefs, you'll also start noticing that you just want to be around

people who are think more positively.

You know, you were saying about that mob mentality, you're just going to

want to, when you start working on yourself and you start to think, you

know what, I just want to feel better.

I just want to feel different.

So you start working on that.

You start helping yourself, whether it's through books, whether it's

through watching things on YouTube or getting help or getting a therapist,

getting a coach or any of those things.

What happens is that your inner world starts to change.

And then you're just like, actually, I just don't want to be around

people moaning all the time.

I don't want to be around people who are, you know, got

that much hate inside of them.

I want to be near you.

You just naturally gravitate towards people who are more positive.

And then that helps you again.

And then you lift each other up.

You start to, and that's how we can lift and change.

And I truly believe that the, if you want to save the world,

you have to save yourself first.

You are the one who can make a difference.

If you want to change your environment, you need to change yourself.

First, because then it's like dropping out a pebble into water.

Your change affects the people around you.

You know, what you do matters, how you think about yourself, how you

feel about yourself, the love that you have for yourself can affect

and help everyone around you.

It really, really can.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And it's so true.

And it's incredible because now that you're saying it, I realized that I went

through a stage when I went through that kind of, um, growth stage in my life.

I started.

For lack of a better word, dropping a lot of friends, just going like,

look, this is not, nope, nope, nope.

And just kind of cold cut, go like, no, I'm sorry.

This is not working out for me in a way.

And I couldn't explain it back then, but I realized now that if I probably

stayed in that same situation that I was in before, that I probably wouldn't

have been able to grow as much as I did.

And I hope these people are listening because I still love them deeply.

Um, but it was not the right energy for me.

And it wasn't the right.

Place for me to be in order to grow.

And it's just incredible how just releasing it's like, it's

like kind of like stones kind of clinging onto your back.

And when you start just kind of releasing them, all of a sudden you're able to come

up and get some fresh air because you don't have that weight weighing you down.

And it's, you know, sometimes we have to do that even with family members.

I find that sometimes we just have to make.

A decision to not have a person have so much space in our life so

that we're able to grow so that we're able to break, break free in a

way.

And then we can be an inspiration or not to the people around us, you

know, it can happen and you can make a difference just by you changing.

That's what happened with me.

You know, when I started to transform and change.

People around me started to notice and they were like, Ooh, what's happening,

what's going on, you know, what's happening, you know, they get intrigued

and they're like, Ooh, what are you doing?

You know, my husband now meditates every day, which he didn't for many years.

We've been together 19 years.

He's been the last few years.

And because he was just like, Oh, it seems like it's really good.

It's doing something to you.

I want to try it, you know, so that can happen with people as well.

So you can also lift them up, you know.

Yeah, if they're ready, if they're ready, you know,

Megan J. McCrory: yeah, I have a quote on my wall over here.

The world is changed by your Example not by your opinion.

Oh, I love that.

That's so juicy exactly exactly because words and words are easy right actions and

Energy and what you who you are that makes a difference That makes a difference.

Megan J. McCrory: Definitely.

So, Leslie, there was one more thing that I wanted to ask you about,

because I was reading your website, obviously, and doing my research

on you before, um, we were talking.

And one of the things that I've seen floating around is

limiting beliefs and beliefs.

And I guess, Again, it took me a little while to understand this and

maybe it's still difficult to grasp.

Like what does it mean when you want to help someone like

get over the limiting beliefs?

What again, religious background beliefs, we don't want to get over them.

We, we, we, we have them.

So yeah.

What, what does that mean?

Yes.

Yeah.

I'm glad you asked that.

And it's interesting because I use this language all the time.

I forget that sometimes people aren't aware of the difference though.

So, so there, we have beliefs yet and we have some beliefs.

that maybe are holding us back.

Okay.

So we have a belief say, um, say you have a belief that what would be a good one?

Um, could be a belief that you're, you're not the kind of person who can change

the, the, or you're not the kind of person who can change the way they eat.

Or I'm just, I got a good one.

I'm just that kind of person.

I just, Oh, I, I'm a morning person.

Or I mean, I'm a night person, their beliefs.

Okay.

Or I've never been good with numbers.

Okay.

That's a belief.

That's a very popular one.

Yeah.

Or it could be, um, I'm too old.

I'm too young.

Okay.

Things that limit you.

So think things, ideas and beliefs that you have about yourself that could limit

you, you know, um, I'm not clever enough.

I don't know enough.

All of these things, you know, I need to learn more before I start my business.

That these are beliefs that you could be holding you back.

Does that make sense?

Megan?

Megan J. McCrory: Oh, totally.

As a person who's just starting a business, this is

a very big limiting belief

right now.

Yeah.

So we do this and what we have is we have a belief and what a belief

normally comes from something that you've been told when you're young.

Okay.

It doesn't even belong to you.

Some, I see it with my daughter who's seven at the moment.

She's coming home and she's like, Oh, I'm not fast or I'm not,

I'm not very good at climbing.

So then what she's going to do is she'll start to add that into her identity.

And she, that will become more concrete and we create then

glass ceilings for ourselves.

So we stop ourselves.

And because it's just a thought.

Because if you think something enough, it becomes a belief.

Okay.

That's, that's how beliefs are born, basically.

They're just thoughts that you think over and over and over again.

And very quickly, we can change beliefs.

I can help people change beliefs with a really, really quick exercise to just,

because normally part of you believes it, though there's also part of you

that know it's, knows it's not fact.

Okay.

It's not a fact that you, um, are too old or too young to maybe, I don't know.

Actually, in some, some ways, you know, depends on what you want to do.

But if you want to start a business, you're never too young or too old.

Right?

So it's not a fact.

And then what we can do is we use the parts of your brain and your own

personal experiences to change that from things that have happened in

your life that counteract that belief.

So it's a really quick, I can do a very quick exercise that takes about half an

hour, um, to actually change a belief.

And then afterwards you look at it completely differently.

And then it allows you to To then move forward in your life in a

different way, if that makes sense.

And that's something actually I wanted to offer your listeners, is that

anyone who'd be interested in a half an hour belief hack with me because

I love what you're doing and I love the message that you're spreading.

Um, uh, yeah.

Anyone that can contact me directly will just do 30 minutes and we'll get a belief

that you have that's holding you back in some way and we'll change it so that

it, that you can leave feeling freer and more able to do what you wanna do.

Megan J. McCrory: Yeah, that makes total sense.

And, uh, it's the, the belief thing, I think is also, I know this

might get us off into a completely different tangent, but, uh, I said,

I, somebody was recommending a book.

It was a YouTuber and they were talking about books.

And one book was about parenting and about how, We tend to parent for the

things and give love and affection for the things that the kids do right.

Oh, you got an a great job.

That's awesome.

You know, rather than, uh, really it, it doesn't make, it didn't

make any sense until he said it.

I'm like, Oh wait, no, that's completely the way it works.

Where I, you want to just love the individual, but we tack to our, to

ourselves, these external things.

Yeah.

In the same way of your beliefs, but also as a, you know, as a parent

child relationship, the child often thinks that they have to do well

in something to make sure, because.

Yeah, I mean, I grew up in a family where we were very loving, always kisses and

hugs and very, uh, physically, uh, um, loving family, but I know some people

aren't growing up this way and then they only get that positive reinforcement

when something positive happens.

And, uh, I think somehow that ties all in also with the beliefs, right?

Because that that's what you're talking about, even at a young age.

Oh, you have three kids.

This one's the shy one.

This one's the outgoing one.

I've heard Donna say this already about her kids.

And when they hear this, they go, well, I'm the shy one.

Mom said, I'm always the shy one or I'm the good one.

So I have to be the good one, right?

So they kind of adopt exactly what you see in them, but you, you're reinforcing it.

So it becomes stronger, even though it may be, it's like a phase or something.

Yeah,

absolutely.

And, and, and it's not them.

It's just the behavior.

So it's not, it's not them, but they'll take it.

People take it and they internalize it and it becomes the inner critical, it becomes

a label that they then almost live into.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: And

that's it.

And you can very quickly change that.

So a label, you can quickly change that with when you, so if

someone's been, you know, been shy.

You know, I'm the shy one by knowing that it's not who you are and

actually seeing times in your life where you haven't been like this.

And I do a little bit more stuff goes on with the brain when we do this day.

Yeah.

Stuff in your brain to be able to release it in such a quick way.

Though it's, it is exactly that it's knowing that that's not you.

It doesn't belong to you.

And when you start to, you can give yourself new labels.

You can start to say, actually, I'm done with that.

I'm done with the fact.

I'm not that

Danna Levy Hoffmann: label.

I'm not that story.

You know, what we tend to do is we live with inside these and then we think, Oh,

well, I can't do that is interesting.

A client of mine recently, she's always been really quiet.

She had social phobia.

She didn't want to be around people.

She really felt challenged being.

You know, she didn't trust any form of, um, connection with

people that she didn't, that was, she wasn't really close with.

And we did some of the deeper inner work and we found a part of her that

actually really is very social and is really loves being around people.

And she literally didn't know this part of her existed.

She was like, I, you know, didn't even know it was there.

And we brought that forward and we started to actually Um, and bring

it forward so that that part was starting to operate more in the world.

And she had an event that she goes through every year.

Normally she dreads it.

She's like, she's like, Oh, I have to do this thing.

And she said, this time when they said she was like, I'm in

that, she was like, who was that?

And now she's actually, it's amazing.

She's creating her own network.

She's like, um, really, it's actually really valuing friendship

and feeling open and happier.

And she's been able to accept herself for the first time ever in her life.

She said, I feel complete that I accept who I am.

And I know that I'm enough.

And that is so powerful just from changing those stories, letting go of those stories

and allowing yourself to step into who you really are rather than who you've become.

If that makes sense.

Danna Levy Hoffmann: Yeah.

That's amazing.

I mean, you know, when you were saying that all I could think of was, was

my story with ADD where I grew up, my parents kept telling me that I was lazy.

That was my, my kind of, you know, tag you're lazy.

And I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm not lazy.

Cause I was never a lazy person.

And I think Megan can agree to that.

Um, I could say a lot of things about myself, but lazy is

definitely not one of them.

And so when I learned, when I was 23, 24 years old, I learned that

I was actually ADD, I was bawling, I was crying so hard because I was

like, I knew I'm not lazy, you know, like, and just that understanding

of why I wasn't getting good grades.

That's all it was, I wasn't getting good grades, I was studying, I was

doing all the work, but I wasn't getting good grades, so I was lazy.

Right.

And so something that, and Megan's right, I totally, you

know, have tags for my kids.

I'd like to think it's true, but it's probably not.

Um, but what we do with the kids, what we started doing from a very young

age with them, you know, if they did something that we don't agree with, that

we were made us angry or something, we would start the sentence by, I love you.

But I'm disappointed at what you have done, like the action

that you've taken, right?

And that turns it around because it's not like, you know, you're a bad boy.

You should not have done that.

You always do this stuff.

It's more like, look, you're a good person.

You're a loved person.

Nothing you're going to do is going to make us love you more or less

because we love you infinitely.

But that action, You probably should have thought about that.

You know what I mean?

Like you probably should have taken another route.

And so it makes them think because they then know nothing that they're

going to do is actually going to change the way that we feel about them and

appreciate them and love them, but their actions can affect people around them

and they need to think about those.

Preferably before they're done so that they don't hurt anyone on the way.

And I think that just turning that around.

And again, I've, I've said it before, I'm going to say it again.

We're definitely not perfect, good, perfect parents in the slightest.

We did some things good, but other things, we totally broke them.

But there are certain things that you just want to see how you're

communicating with your kids.

In order for that spiral not to continue because the way our parents have been

raised by our grandparents and the way that we have been raised by our

parents and the way that we raise our kids with every generation, it changes.

And we'd like to think that it betters but I know for a fact that we're dragging

along a lot of things that have been said to our ancestors that we're still saying.

Finish the food off your plate type of thing or whatever it may be right.

Those silly, silly sentences that we catch ourselves and we're

like, that was really stupid.

That meant nothing.

My kid doesn't know or understand why he needs to finish his plate because

there are hungry kids in Africa.

Like, Why can't I just ship that food to Africa, then give it to them.

I'm not hungry anymore.

You know, all of those little sentences that literally don't make sense.

And so to just think of how we communicate these things, to think of how we

actually empower our kids, instead of dragging them down knowingly or

unknowingly, I think that's so important.

We need to fix the way that we've not fixed, but like, we need to better

the way that we raise our kids so that they're feeling more empowered, I think.

Be

conscious.

I think that's the thing.

I've got a really great story.

Actually, there was a woman that's to do with handing things

down over the generations.

There was a woman and she was cooking a lamb and she cut the top of the

lamb off and the person was there.

I was like, Oh, why did you do it?

She goes, I don't know.

My mom did that.

So they went and asked her mom and her mom was like, I don't know.

My mom did that.

And then they asked her mom and she said, Oh, the pan was too small.

Unreal.

So you end up doing stuff.

Yeah.

You have got no reason why you're doing it, you have no idea why you're doing it.

Megan J. McCrory: My husband says that American, a tradition

for Americans is something that has happened to boomers twice.

I love that.

Uh, well, I think before we go down any other rabbit holes, I feel like

there's, there's We should probably call it a day for this episode, and we

will put links to all of the ways to get in touch with you, but I think your

website is just straight up lesliecalvo.

com?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lesliecalvo.

com.

Yeah.