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Big program for the podcast Today in a Football History Headlines.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about a couple developmental leagues that started and a couple great corners that have birthdays this day.
Speaker A:Then we're going to get into the jersey number ones with Larry Schmidt of the Gridiron uniforms and Big Blue Interactive.
Speaker A:And it's all coming up in just a moment.
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Speaker A:This is Darren Hayes of pigskindispatch.com and welcome once again to the Pig Pen where today we're going to cover the football history headlines for February 10th.
Speaker A:And we're going to continue our series on New Jersey numbers.
Speaker A:And we have a special guest, Larry Schmidt of the Big Blue Interactive, a big contributor there and a contributor to the Gridiron Uniform database.
Speaker A:We talked to his cohort Bill Shafer the other day also from the gud, but Larry is going to come on and talk about jersey number one and the significant players that have worn that jersey.
Speaker A:But before we get to him, let's get to your headlines.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Amazing how things change.
Speaker A:Now they're back in LA as the Chargers in the NFL.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Louis, Missouri.
Speaker A:The minor league football system opened organizational meetings on this day, according to the Fun While It Lasted website Story has a subject that talks about the effort to develop a nationwide semi pro football league.
Speaker A:The MLFS had teams across the country from the Pacific Northwest to New England to the Deep South.
Speaker A: During the summers of: Speaker A:But no formal relationship ever developed.
Speaker A:And we'll talk about this in another one of our segments in just a few minutes about another developmental league.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A: he AFC defeated the NFC fight: Speaker A:This time it was the National Football Conference that defeated their American football conference cohorts 42 to 30.
Speaker A:The MVP of this game was Adrian Peterson, the running back from the Minnesota Vikings at the time.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:The Orlando Apollos crushed the Atlanta Legends 46 to kick off the alliance of American Football League.
Speaker A:The eight centrally owned and operated teams got the startup of a developmental league underway, but unfortunately the group lost funding and disbanded the league partway through its inaugural season.
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Speaker A:The University of Colorado safety Dick Anderson was born.
Speaker A:Anderson had the size and athleticism to play multiple positions on the Buffs defense.
Speaker A:At 6 foot 2 and weighing in at 198 pounds with speed and quickness.
Speaker A:He was mainly a safety but often rolled up closer to the line to play in what we now would call a hybrid linebacker.
Speaker A: n him, Dick against Oregon in: Speaker A:It was performances like that that aided in Anderson becoming an All American selection at safety.
Speaker A:In three years, Dick had 14 interceptions, 123 unassisted tackles and both were school records.
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Speaker A: In: Speaker A: nterception return yards with: Speaker A:Besides the Steelers, Woodson played with the 49ers, the Ravens and the Raiders.
Speaker A: Pro Football hall of fame in: Speaker A:Truly a great player.
Speaker A:I got to see him play personally in person many times.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A: ots in the first round of the: Speaker A:Law played for 15 seasons in the NFL and registered 53 interceptions and returned those picks for 828 yards in his career.
Speaker A:Ty Law led the league in interceptions in two different seasons and played in five Pro Bowls.
Speaker A:Law was a member of three super bowl teams and helped his team, the Patriots, raise the Lombardi twice after 10 brilliant seasons with the Pats.
Speaker A:He also played with the Jets, Chiefs, Broncos before he retired.
Speaker A: The: Speaker A:Now, as we promised, we want to talk about the jersey number ones and the substantial players that wore this jersey number in the NFL.
Speaker A:And with us we're going to have a special guest and that's Larry Schmidt and Larry is a New York City pro football historian who specializes in the New York Football Giants.
Speaker A:A research partner for The Gridiron Uniform database and a frequent contributor to the Big Blue interactive site.
Speaker A:And when we have a topic for pro football in the Big Apple, we at the Pigskin Dispatch go to Larry, who I refer to as the guru of the New York City Gridiron.
Speaker A:You probably read his stuff and heard him on our podcast on October 4 episode about the great linebacker Sam Huff.
Speaker A:Larry Schmidt, welcome to the Pig Pen.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me, Darren.
Speaker B:I don't know where a good jumping off point is, but I know you've got some.
Speaker B:Some things you want to talk about.
Speaker B:Some players that wore the number one in the NFL.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, there's been a lot of them, A lot of players that have worn number one.
Speaker C:Eight members of the Pro Football hall of Fame have worn the number one.
Speaker C: players who had played in the: Speaker C:And that is the first instance in North American professional sports where a number was retired in a player's honor.
Speaker B:Wow, that's.
Speaker B:And we're starting it off right then, huh?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So they retired that number for Flaherty in 35.
Speaker C: when they started playing in: Speaker C: in the Giants first season in: Speaker C: Then in: Speaker C: to: Speaker C:And then McBride left the Giants.
Speaker C:He went to Providence.
Speaker C:And the Giants had purchased the entire Detroit Wolverine franchise so they could get Benny Friedman to be their quarterback.
Speaker C:Obviously, when you buy a whole team to get one player, you're going to put number one on the back of his jersey.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C: And Benny Friedman in: Speaker C:I can't remember the exact number of years.
Speaker C: sses was the record until the: Speaker C:He had that for almost 20 years.
Speaker C:And then Friedman went to the Brooklyn Dodgers and then Ray Flaherty, who had been on the Giants in 29, but he wore number 44.
Speaker C:And then he was on the Giants again in 31.
Speaker C:He wore number six.
Speaker C: laherty got the number one in: Speaker C:He was a player coach.
Speaker C:So he wore the number one.
Speaker C:And then when he retired as a player, the Giants retired his number one.
Speaker C:They did.
Speaker C: In: Speaker C:They unretired number one for two years.
Speaker C:They gave it to Frank Cope, who was a tackle, and he had been on the giants for over 10 years and he was a captain.
Speaker C:And they gave.
Speaker C:He had worn number 36 for most of his career, but his last two years, they allowed him to wear number one.
Speaker C: And then when he retired in: Speaker B:That seems so foreign to us today to hear of a tackle either on the offensive side or the defensive side wearing a single digit.
Speaker B:But I believe it was sometime in the 50s, late 50s, when the NFL changed their rules so that the 50 through 79 numbers were for interior linemen on the offense.
Speaker B:Just so you knew who the eligible pass receivers were.
Speaker B:Sometime in the 50s.
Speaker B:I forget the exact date.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There was no numbering system.
Speaker C:And when you go back and you look through game programs and newspapers where they have lineups and rosters, it was very unusual for players to even wear numbers above the 30s.
Speaker C:Most players wore numbers in the teens, 20s and low to mid-30s.
Speaker C:Not every team allowed players to wear single digit numbers.
Speaker C: s until that was probably the: Speaker C:They had players wearing all kinds of numbers.
Speaker C: the All America Conference in: Speaker B:You know, who's probably a big fan of the single digits, especially number one was probably the seamstress that had to sew the numbers on back then, you know, that's right.
Speaker C:A lot less work.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Easier that than a 44, you know.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That is some great stuff on back in the old days.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:I'd like to change this just a little bit.
Speaker B:And let's talk about some of the big hitters.
Speaker B:And we have one Giant, I mean, not a New York Giant, but one giant of the football game that wore the Number that's a Hall of Famer and that's Warren Moon.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:Warren Moon was a big, big time passer.
Speaker C:He had a lot of renown coming out of college.
Speaker C:He had a very successful career.
Speaker C:But when he was eligible for the NFL draft, there was, there weren't a lot of believers.
Speaker C:You know, unfortunately at that time, which wasn't that long ago, there was still somewhat of a stigma.
Speaker C:Was an African American player capable of being a National Football League quarterback.
Speaker C:So Moon went to Canada and he played with the Edmonton Eskimos of the CFL for five years.
Speaker C:And wouldn't you know, he won the CFL title, the Gray cup, five consecutive years.
Speaker C: went to the Houston Oilers in: Speaker C: And in: Speaker C:Throw the ball, you know, regardless of down and distance and field position and game situation.
Speaker C:Just throw it, throw it, throw it.
Speaker C: you know, at the time, in the: Speaker C:Not many people that weren't named Dan Marino did it.
Speaker C: yard game in: Speaker C:So he was very, very, not just capable, but prolific.
Speaker B:Yes, he was.
Speaker B:I can remember watching those Houston Oilers run and shoot teams.
Speaker B:And the offensive coordinator, his name escapes.
Speaker B:Was it Mouse Davis?
Speaker B:Is that who the offensive coordinator was down in Houston?
Speaker C:Yup, he was one.
Speaker C:He also, he had.
Speaker C:Kevin Gilbride was on that staff too.
Speaker B:Yes, that's right.
Speaker C:Loved to throw the ball.
Speaker C:And you know, those receivers had the sight reads or they would change their route according to how they were being covered by the defensive back.
Speaker C:So they're actually changing the play in real time on their running down the field.
Speaker C:Do I stop?
Speaker C:Do I in cut, out cut?
Speaker C:Do I keep running?
Speaker C:And you know, and Warren Moon had to read the defense, he had to read what his receivers were doing and everyone had to be on the same page.
Speaker C:So Warren Moon disproved a lot of, a lot of prejudices with his play.
Speaker B:He sure did.
Speaker B:I mean he was 17 seasons, I believe, in the NFL after his stint in the CFL.
Speaker C:Yeah, he played over, I believe, over 20 years if you include the CFL with the NFL.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:And I mean he was not only with the Oilers, he played a little bit with the Chiefs.
Speaker B:Vikings, I can remember, had A cup of coffee, I think, with the Seahawks.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:So, yeah, very, very big player there.
Speaker B:Now, in our conversation prior to recording this, we had a great tie in, or you had a great tie in to Warren Moon.
Speaker B:It takes us all the way back in history.
Speaker B:We're jumping all over the map here, but I sort of wanted to get this T to Warren Moon in the African American quarterback.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C: Fritz Pollard, the: Speaker C:He was an African American player, and he was.
Speaker C:He was a tailback.
Speaker C:You know, there weren't really quarterbacks because they played the single wing, but he was the primary passer and he was the play caller.
Speaker C:And Fritz Pollard was an extremely talented player, not just as a passer, but he could run and he played defense.
Speaker C:And the first championship in the American Professional Football association was the Akron Pros, with Fritz Pollard being their number one player.
Speaker C: And, you know, being the: Speaker C:And he endured a lot.
Speaker C:But he was a trailblazer, you know, who ended up being enshrined in the Pro Football hall of Fame much, much later through the veterans committee.
Speaker C:But he, like Warren Moon, they both wore the number one, and I think they both did that number a lot of justice.
Speaker C:They wore it very proudly.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker C:He earned the right to wear number one, no question.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were definitely the number one players on their teams.
Speaker B:Now we have another modern quarterback that's still playing the game, Cam Newton, wearing number one, Superman, as they call.
Speaker B: He had a: Speaker B: t Florida for a couple years,: Speaker B:So that's sort of why he transferred.
Speaker B:He transferred to a junior college, I believe it was Blinn College for a year, and then he played his final season of eligibility at Auburn.
Speaker B:But that's his college background.
Speaker B:What can you tell us about Cam Newton and the pros?
Speaker C:You know, it was funny watching Cam Newton play for the New England Patriots this year, which was startling in its own right.
Speaker C:You know, Tom Brady's in Tampa Bay and he's, you know, Cam Newton's in New England.
Speaker C:But watching the way that Bill Belichick ran the team and schemed their offense around Cam Newton's abilities, I think Cam Newton probably would have fit in very well in single wing.
Speaker C: Football in the: Speaker C:He certainly has the size and the athletic ability.
Speaker C:You know, the run pass option, definitely.
Speaker C:You put him in an unbalanced line, you get an extra guard and they pull and they all, you know, student body.
Speaker C:Going to the right.
Speaker C:With Cam Newton, I mean, he could.
Speaker C:He's big enough to truck a linebacker on his own.
Speaker B:Can you imagine?
Speaker C:I'd have no problem putting a leather helmet on that guy.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Can you imagine in this day and age, if you're a cornerback and let's say, you know, the average cornerback is what, maybe 205, 210 maybe, and, you know, Cam Newton gets around the corner, gets into the second level, and you got this guy, you know, 6 foot 5, 245, barreling down on you, and you got to stop him.
Speaker C:Yeah, you have defensive backs that are giving away £30 to him.
Speaker B:Yeah, you got to go.
Speaker C:You got to go low.
Speaker C:You're not going to tackle him up high.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's for sure.
Speaker B:And he is elusive, too.
Speaker B: ou know, he was an all Pro in: Speaker B:So far, he's been in three Pro Bowls and played in a Super Bowl.
Speaker B: layed the Oregon ducks in the: Speaker B:And he was definitely the star of the show in that game, too.
Speaker B:Great, great player.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Who else you got that wore the number one jersey?
Speaker C:Well, we have the man whose statue you see right as you walk in the front doors of Pro Football hall of Fame, Jim Thorpe.
Speaker C: ants for a couple of games in: Speaker C:But he did wear number one when he was on Rock island.
Speaker C: d Grange joined the league in: Speaker C:But Jim Thorpe was the most visible name, and he's probably the marquee player for the NFL's first four or five years and won a couple of titles with Canton.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, he did.
Speaker B:Rock Island Independence wearing number one.
Speaker B: ut, but when The NFL started,: Speaker B:You think about, you know, Tom Brady and Drew Brees playing, you know, into their 40s.
Speaker B:Warren Moon playing in his 40s.
Speaker B:That's a quarterback position.
Speaker B:You see some kickers do it.
Speaker B:Thorpe was, he was taking, you know, taking a beating, carrying the ball, especially back in that day and age, 41 years old.
Speaker C:They played both ways.
Speaker C:They have to play defense, too.
Speaker C:If you're the quarterback, you throw an interception, you're not walking to the sideline, getting on the phone, talking to the coach upstairs, telling you what went wrong.
Speaker C:You're just getting in the defensive huddle, walk off the field.
Speaker B:Oh, geez.
Speaker B:I mean, didn't know, you know, all his success in other sports, you know, too, especially the Olympic sports, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Taking the gold medals and we won't even talk about that tragedy of him losing the medals there for a while.
Speaker C:But yeah, but he was the guy.
Speaker C:He was the biggest name.
Speaker C:He definitely deserved to wear number one.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker B:How about, how are some other hall of Famers that you have that wore the number one that you'd like to talk about?
Speaker C:Patty Driscoll.
Speaker C:Oh, yes, for the Chicago Cardinals and the Chicago Bears.
Speaker C: oth Chicago teams through the: Speaker C:Today he would be considered a quarterback, but in single wing football, you were usually the left halfback.
Speaker C:And he was also an excellent drop kicker.
Speaker C:He holds the record.
Speaker C:He made four successful drop kicks in one game.
Speaker C: the great drop kicker of the: Speaker C:But Patty Driscoll also successfully made a 50 yard drop kick, which I believe is what's recognized as the recorded record.
Speaker C: , the record keychain for the: Speaker C:You typically go through game summaries to find out what's recorded.
Speaker C:So Driscoll has what's recognized as the longest successful drop kick.
Speaker B: elieve that took place in the: Speaker B:We had every day on the Pigskin Disp podcast and on the website we talk about the hall of Famers on their birthdays.
Speaker B:And we just covered him a few weeks ago on January 11th was his birthday.
Speaker B:For Patty Driscoll, the other thing that we have, we're members of the Sports History Network here.
Speaker B:So we have a network of podcasters that get together on the sportshistorynetwork.com and one of our fellow podcasters is Joe Zimba, and he is everything, Chicago Cardinals, everything Chicago football, just like you are with New York.
Speaker B:But Chicago Cardinals really, he is an expert.
Speaker B:He has a book on them.
Speaker B:You know, when Football Was Football.
Speaker B:That's also the name of his podcast.
Speaker B:So he has quite a bit of information on Patty Driscoll.
Speaker B:Driscoll.
Speaker B:How he became a Chicago Bears.
Speaker B:Kind of interesting.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:They were offering him a bunch of money and Halas really didn't want to see him go out.
Speaker B:So he made a deal with, I believe, Mr. Bidwell at the time and got Patty to come over.
Speaker B:Be a Bear.
Speaker C:Yeah, that league had the Bulls in Chicago.
Speaker C:And if I remember correctly, it was.
Speaker C:Who was the assistant coach with the Bears, Because I believe he jumped to the Bulls for a year.
Speaker B:I know who you're talking about.
Speaker B:I think you're definitely right.
Speaker B:I think it was the Chicago Bulls were the ones that were going to take Patty.
Speaker B:So he had a three team, you know, Chicago teams after him.
Speaker C:You know, Joey Sternuman jumped to the Bulls.
Speaker C:I was thinking Dutch Thurneman was his brother, but Joey Sturneman played for the Chicago Bulls for that one season.
Speaker B:That's fascinating.
Speaker B:Different era of football, especially when you have three teams in Chicago.
Speaker B:You know, that's crazy.
Speaker C:A lot of player movement.
Speaker B:All right, who else do we have?
Speaker B:Hall of Famers that were the number one?
Speaker C:We have the founder of the packers franchise, Curly Lambeau, who wore the number one.
Speaker C:And, you know, he's generally recognized, you know, as the packers founder and as a great coach.
Speaker C:But he did play for a number of years, and he was proficient in passing the ball.
Speaker C:And he's considered one of the early practitioners of passing the ball and scheming and strategizing to throw.
Speaker C: unt on third down back in the: Speaker C:You know, Vince Lombardi won five championships with Green Bay, but Curly Lambeau coached them to six.
Speaker B:Curly Lambeau is definitely hall of Fame material.
Speaker B:Part of the original inaugural class of the Pro Football hall of Fame.
Speaker B:Probably more so for his coaching.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he was a great player, too, back in the.
Speaker C: ah, he founded the packers in: Speaker C: They joined in: Speaker C:And then he was a player coach in the beginning of his career.
Speaker C: And then in: Speaker C:They won in 29, 30 and 31.
Speaker B:I guess you do things like that.
Speaker B:They name a field after you, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:And they let you know where the number one.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:How about any other hall of Famers we have that wore the jersey number one?
Speaker C:Another player who is probably better known as a coach, Jimmy Condelman.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, he wore the number one.
Speaker C:And you know, in keeping with the Chicago theme.
Speaker C:And the Cardinals.
Speaker C: the Cardinals to the title in: Speaker C:Oh, no, I take that back.
Speaker C:I apologize.
Speaker C:He wasn't.
Speaker C: He won the title in: Speaker B:Yes, Providence Steamroller, the final, you know.
Speaker C:The final franchise that's no longer with us to win the title.
Speaker C: won it with the Cardinals in: Speaker C:And then he won the east again in 48, but they lost to the Eagles.
Speaker B:You know, they have that 19.
Speaker B:The championship team of the Steamroller have one of my favorite names, especially in college football, but George Wildcat Wilson, he didn't wear number one.
Speaker B:But I just love saying the name George Wildcat Wilson.
Speaker B:So I say anytime I get the chance.
Speaker B:So just threw that in there.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker B: ip season, but the next year,: Speaker B:I don't know if you've ever heard that story.
Speaker C:Cycle drome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At the cyclodrome and it was against the Cardinals, Chicago Cardinals.
Speaker B:So, yeah, very, very lot of history there with Mr. Konzelman.
Speaker B:And he got around in the league a little bit, too.
Speaker B:Played quite a bit and coached quite a bit.
Speaker B:So very important person that wore the number one in the pro football game.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Who else?
Speaker B:Do we.
Speaker B:Do we have any other hall of Famers that we missed on that list?
Speaker C:That covers all of our hall of Famers, you know.
Speaker C:You know, looking at the more contemporary usage of the number one, I think you find probably more than quarterbacks.
Speaker C:You see a lot of kickers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:For the number one, I think Garo Ypremian probably brought the number one.
Speaker C:Just a little bit of infamy with his ill fated pass in the super bowl to cap off the Dolphins almost perfect season.
Speaker C:Everything was perfect except for that pass that was intercepted by Washington and it cost them the shutout in the Super Bowl.
Speaker B:It almost got Washington back in a game.
Speaker B:But that had to be scary for Dolphins fans at that point.
Speaker C:Looked like Smooth sailing.
Speaker C:And then all of a sudden it's a one score game.
Speaker B:He's definitely better with his leg than he was with his hand in the game of football, from what we saw.
Speaker B:How about some other kickers we have that some of our listeners have probably once watched?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, the one thing I remember watching was Rafael Cetien.
Speaker C:When he was for the Cowboys.
Speaker C:He used to have the most precise setup before kicking the ball, where he would be right where the holder was going to spot it.
Speaker C:And he would carefully measure his steps going back one and then two.
Speaker C:And then he would do the same thing, take two steps to the left.
Speaker B:To set the coach for the ball.
Speaker C:And he learned that from Tom Landry.
Speaker C: e coach for the giants in the: Speaker C:And Landry would spend time at practice with Agajanian because Tom Landry wasn't a place kicker, but he was the Giants punter in the early 50s.
Speaker C:And he would talk about kicking and punting with Agajanian.
Speaker C:Landry had the idea to have Ben Agajanian measure the steps.
Speaker C:So you do everything the same way every time.
Speaker C:You know, like perfecting a golf swing where you set up the mechanics and then you just go through the motion.
Speaker B:And what is that?
Speaker B:It's like back three steps to the side, left or right?
Speaker C:1, 2, back 2, left 2.
Speaker C:And then you come, then you come at the ball at almost like a 45 degree angle.
Speaker B:And you see probably a great deal of today's kickers at all levels.
Speaker B:I mean, I know you definitely see it in the high school game, college game, even see some of the pro kickers still practicing that to this day.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:So then it was in the 70s when Tom Landry was the head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker C:He hired Agajanian to be the Cowboys kicking coach.
Speaker C:And then, you know, Agajanian was Raphael Septien's kicking coach.
Speaker C:So then he took the same approach to the ball that Landry had come up with with agajanian in the 50s.
Speaker B:You know something that's kind of interesting about Septien, I always remembered him in a Cowboy uniform.
Speaker B:And I didn't realize this until I was doing some research this week, but he actually played one year with the Rams.
Speaker B:That's who he.
Speaker B:His initial team.
Speaker B:And I'm not sure what happened there, but they must have got a better offer or something and went with the Cowboys as you're talking about.
Speaker C:Yeah, and I remember the Rams had Mike Lansford, who Wore the number one.
Speaker C:And he was a barefoot kicker.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker C: know, in the mid and the late: Speaker B:Yeah, that had to hurt.
Speaker B:You know, it just hurts me thinking about it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I remember going to a Giants game at the Meadowlands against the Rams, and it was late in the year and it was freezing cold, and Lansford is out there on the after turf barefoot, you know, and I mean, you know, and I'm in the stands and I'm wearing two pairs of socks and I have boots on.
Speaker C:What is that guy doing out there in a barefoot?
Speaker B:Yeah, you didn't want to kick the frozen football with your boots on even, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And those Astroturf fields were like.
Speaker C:It was asphalt.
Speaker C:I mean, it was freezing cold.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know how they did it.
Speaker C: here was a few of them in the: Speaker C:He's a Southern California, warm weather.
Speaker C:You know, the grass field in Anaheim probably felt nice with a barefoot, but I don't know about that frozen turf in North Jersey.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't warm, that's for sure.
Speaker C:No, it was not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, staying back in that era, we also had Rafael Ception that were the number one also.
Speaker B:Or do we already talk?
Speaker B:We already talked about.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, Efren Herrera.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Efren Herrera played with Dallas.
Speaker B:My notes are all over the place.
Speaker B:Sorry about that.
Speaker B:Efren Herrera was also a Dallas Cowboy back, I think, right after Rafael Ception.
Speaker C:I think he preceded him because I remember.
Speaker B:Did he?
Speaker C:Yeah, I think Efren Herrera was on Seattle when Septien was on Dallas.
Speaker B:Okay, maybe that's true.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:You're telling my memory.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker B:I guess my memory shot because you couldn't tell, but yeah, Herrera actually had a Super bowl win also, and I failed to mention the premium, had two super bowl titles, both with the Dolphins, I believe.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:72, 73.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The great Dolphins didn't throw a pass.
Speaker C:So that was good.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Don Shul is much happier with him in that game, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:As long as we're staying on this kicker kick, I'd like to go to one of my favorite kickers because he played quite a bit with my team, the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker B:That's Gary Anderson, who's not yet in the hall of Fame, possibly.
Speaker B:I know they've been talking about it the last few years, but had 23 seasons in the NFL.
Speaker B:13 with Pittsburgh, five with Minnesota and had some stops with Philly and Tennessee and San Francisco.
Speaker B:He was in the Pro bowl four times a first team All Pro.
Speaker B:1998 when he was with the Vikings.
Speaker B:His first year with the Vikings, of course I was going from the outdoors of Pittsburgh to the dome.
Speaker B:You know, that certainly helps out a lot.
Speaker B:But his extra point attempts, I thought this was really great.
Speaker B:He only missed seven of his extra point attempts in 23 years out of 827 attempts.
Speaker B:That's some pretty good numbers.
Speaker B:99.2% on that.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I remember he was kicking around the same time, you know, for a long time as Nick Lowery of the Chiefs and they were always going head to head.
Speaker C:As Far as the NFL's active career scoring leaders, it would, you know, would toggle back and forth.
Speaker C:One year it was Anderson, one year it was Larry.
Speaker C:Depending on which team was higher scoring or who kicked more field goals and who kicked more extra points.
Speaker B:And you had Morton Anderson back in that era too, who was, you know, I think that Morton Anderson spelled.
Speaker B:His last name was S E N and Gary Anderson S O N. But they went back and forth too.
Speaker B:I know on who was the most accurate kicker.
Speaker B:You remember when they had those stats going on, you know, I always had.
Speaker C:An affinity for Morton Anderson because he was a left footed kicker.
Speaker B:Yeah, kick it from the wrong side.
Speaker C:I always root for lefty kickers and lefty quarterbacks.
Speaker B:It's interesting.
Speaker B:I was a high school football official for 27 seasons and probably about 15 of those seasons I was a referee.
Speaker B:So the referee, when teams are setting up to go kick a field goal or an extra point, you have to go to one side or the other so you're sort of facing the holder.
Speaker B:And I could remember it's really easy with right footed kickers test but you know, 90% of the kickers aren't at the high school level or they're right footed.
Speaker B:So I'd always line up, you know, where I'm supposed to be.
Speaker B:This one game.
Speaker B:The coach even told me beforehand his kicker was left footed.
Speaker B:And I don't know, I got, I sort of forgot about it.
Speaker B:I get the kids are ready to kick the ball and I look, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm looking at this holder's back, you know, I can't even see the ball when he comes under.
Speaker B:But just one of those little things, nuisance of football games, you know, it.
Speaker C:Would go for the holder if he was lined up on the wrong side for a lefty kicker.
Speaker B:Yeah, he'd probably get kicked in the chops, you know.
Speaker C:Sure would.
Speaker B:All right, how about some other players who wore the number one that you like to talk about?
Speaker B:I've got another kicker in mind if you don't mind.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:One a little bit more contemporary.
Speaker B:Jason Elam.
Speaker B:Seventeen seasons in the NFL, 15 of those with the Denver Broncos, couple with the Falcons.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was another kicking in that high altitude in Denver.
Speaker C:He has the.
Speaker C:He set the record for the 64 yarder, I believe.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Which has since been tied.
Speaker C:But that record of 63 had lasted for a while.
Speaker B:And another stat when I was looking at him, we talked about Anderson missing seven extra points.
Speaker B:Elam only missed four extra points in his 17 seasons out of 679 attempts, only missed four for 99.4 percentage on the extra point.
Speaker B:Of course, everything was a little bit closer back for most of his career.
Speaker B:Not like it is today, where they're kicking just a little bit further on the extra points, but still that's just.
Speaker C:Keep getting longer and longer and the success percentage keeps going higher and higher.
Speaker C:You know, like back in the when players were drop kicking and they were just learning to place kick when it was straight ahead place kicking.
Speaker C:If you made 50% of your kick, you're considered pretty good, you know.
Speaker C:Now the success ratio is if you're under 90.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Not cutting it and you're.
Speaker C:And you're expected.
Speaker C:Like how often do you see players like on a given Sunday attempt and successfully make 50 yard field goals?
Speaker C: You know, even in the: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Then you have disappointments where you have somebody, you know, like Mr. Tucker of Baltimore makes everything, gets in that big game and misses a couple crucial ones and you know, you feel for the guy.
Speaker B:You know, just like Gary Anderson we just talked about a little bit ago with his.
Speaker B:Had that great season where he was, I think he made all of his field goals and all of his extra points that season, got in that NFC championship game and missed that crucial one.
Speaker B:Oh, you had to feel for the guy there, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You don't want to go into the playoffs with a, you want to miss one in the regular season.
Speaker C:Just that out of the way.
Speaker B:You know, I had something I forgot I wanted to add and I forgot about when we were talking about Jimmy Conzelman, we were talking about that night game.
Speaker B:I found this, I found this hilarious.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:When that after they steamroller found the success of having that night game because they had like 6,000 people show up and.
Speaker B:And before that their gates were just horrible.
Speaker B: So: Speaker C:Usually when you work at night, you get hazard pay, you get a little bump and they ended up taking a cut.
Speaker C:Can you imagine that was before the NFL had a union.
Speaker B:The rest of it, can you imagine that going to, you know, 20 some guys that are, you know, used to beating up on people and you're going, hey guys, we have a night game tonight, so I need to take a couple bucks out of your paycheck.
Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I know that in: Speaker C: In: Speaker C:I know the Giants hosted two at the Polo Grounds where they rented floodlights and they brought them into the stadium because they didn't have permanent lights.
Speaker C: Polo grounds until: Speaker C:And they used them, you know, for baseball.
Speaker C:They weren't using them for the football Giants for a long time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And I know what, I think the Giants played a game at Chicago that was a night game that year.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker C:But that was just, you know, it was a one year thing.
Speaker C:I guess it wasn't as big of a hit because they were playing some of those games during the week.
Speaker C: s during the week at night in: Speaker C: ovidence where they did it in: Speaker B:You're probably right.
Speaker B:They saw the success of it, but they probably got paid the same or more though at some point in time like they do now.
Speaker C:I would hope.
Speaker B:Now, one player that fairly significant that wore the number one, he only wore it for two seasons was Jeff George when his first.
Speaker B:Sorry, three seasons with the Atlanta Falcons and after he started off with Indianapolis, played four years there, had three years with the Falcons where he wore the number one, you know, didn't wear it for a long time of his career, but still means pretty significant player at quarterback, pretty good quarterback.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think he wore number 11 with the Colts.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So he wore.
Speaker B:Yeah, he wore number 11 with the Colts and later with Oakley, wore number three.
Speaker B:So we'll probably be talking about him Again in the next few weeks here on this journey through our football numbers.
Speaker B:So who else would you like to talk about?
Speaker B:That we're the number one.
Speaker C:I'm trying to think of another kicker or punter who had worn it.
Speaker C:We haven't talked about punters much.
Speaker B:No, but we had.
Speaker B:Tony Franklin wore it for quite a few seasons.
Speaker C:Oh, that's right.
Speaker C:Another barefoot kicker.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he wore it.
Speaker B:Matt Kirk, I have Wearing it for a lot of seasons.
Speaker B:Almost 16 seasons, I believe he played Mike Hollis, Neal Rackers, Pat McAfee.
Speaker B:Those are some of the ones.
Speaker B:Mike Nugent is another one.
Speaker B:That kicker that WORE the number one for about 12 seasons.
Speaker B:And of course, there's so many players that have wore that number.
Speaker B:I have Lawrence Tynes wearing the number one.
Speaker B:Somebody you're probably familiar with a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah, that must have been when he was on Kansas City or after the Giants.
Speaker C:He was on Tampa Bay.
Speaker B:I can tell you that in just a second here.
Speaker B:Kansas City, his first three seasons in the league, he wore the number one.
Speaker B:That's where they got that from before he was a Giant.
Speaker B:Quick trivia question.
Speaker B:What number did he wear with the Giants?
Speaker B:I'm cheating because I have the answer in front of me.
Speaker C:Lay it on me.
Speaker B:He wore number nine.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:You are all over it.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:Well, of course I know, because he is the only player in NFL history to convert two field goals in overtime, and he did.
Speaker C:He did them both in NFC Championship games.
Speaker C:So his foot sent the Giants to the super bowl twice.
Speaker C: at's one good way to remember: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he did it wearing the number nine with the giants.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You are correct.
Speaker B:All over it.
Speaker C: ired for Ray Flaherty back in: Speaker B:Aha.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Do you have anybody else that you want to talk about with number one?
Speaker B:Gone through most of the significant ones that I had on my list.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Speaker B:Well, we got.
Speaker C:We've got another one on me.
Speaker B:Well, we've got.
Speaker B:We've got one player that hasn't played for very long but could be substantial.
Speaker B:Kyler Murray, quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker B:Very good player.
Speaker C:You look pretty good throwing that Hail Mary against the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:That was something.
Speaker B:That was something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, he runs around.
Speaker C:He's probably a little bit like, you know, Fritz Pollard was back in the day.
Speaker C:Moving, making plays with the feet, running the ball and, you know, with.
Speaker C:With very little time on the clock.
Speaker C:You Know he can uncork, went to the end zone and steal a win.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker B:Now another young player currently in the NFL and I'm going to probably say his name wrong, but Tua Taglagovia.
Speaker B:I know I butchered it.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:But I'm glad you said it, not me.
Speaker B:We'll just go with the money with.
Speaker B:With two of from here on in.
Speaker B:But wearing number one with the Dolphins this past season, another great player I had Don Michalski wearing it for I believe two seasons.
Speaker B:Wasn't with the Packers.
Speaker B:He must have been with somebody else.
Speaker C:He was number seven with the Packers.
Speaker B:Yeah, he played two years with Detroit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B: At the end of his career in: Speaker B:Number.
Speaker B:His first year with Green Bay, he wore number five according to the pro football reference, which I have up in front of me.
Speaker B:Then he changed to number seven in his second year with the Packers.
Speaker C:That was when he was the magic man and when he, when he was, you know, running around and making some last second plays to win games and.
Speaker B:Yep, I think he got hurt and that's when Favre came in.
Speaker B:After they traded for Favre.
Speaker B:I believe that's something along those lines.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There were still people that were clamoring for Makowski to come back in after farm startups.
Speaker B:I look back at that now, you're like going, why?
Speaker C:Everybody loves the backup quarterback.
Speaker B:That's for sure.
Speaker C:He's always the most popular player on the team.
Speaker B:That is for sure.
Speaker B:Okay, I have Randall Cunningham wore for the number one for a season two on the Vikings.
Speaker C:Yes, that's right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:He wore number 12 when he was with the Eagles.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And yeah, he was number 12.
Speaker C:Randy Moss's rookie year.
Speaker C:When Randy Moss came on the scene, that was.
Speaker B:Well, no, you know what?
Speaker B:No, actually it wasn't with Minnesota.
Speaker B:He wore number seven for three years with Minnesota, went to Dallas, were number seven again there.
Speaker B: And then his last season,: Speaker B:So that's, that's a very significant player.
Speaker B:Didn't have significant games with the number one on, I'm sure.
Speaker B:But still, somebody worth talking about had another kicker.
Speaker B: er one for I believe a season: Speaker B: Also Michael Vick in: Speaker B:I think that might have been with the Steelers if I'm mistaken.
Speaker B:But let me make sure about that one.
Speaker B:Nope, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:With the New York jets, He wore number one.
Speaker B: e Steelers in his final year,: Speaker C:I forgot he was even on the Jets.
Speaker B:Yeah, I did too.
Speaker B:Trying to go through.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:I have John Carney wearing the number one for a season that was probably near the end of his career with another team too.
Speaker B:He had wore it for one year in Jacksonville, a partial year in Jacksonville, left Jacksonville and went to Kansas City in the middle of the year.
Speaker B:Kansas City.
Speaker B: mber five, but with the Jags,: Speaker C:Yeah, he wore number five his short time with the Giants.
Speaker C:They had him late in his career.
Speaker B:Yes, he did.
Speaker B:Looks like one season with the Giants for Kansas City.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Lawrence Pines was hurt.
Speaker C:He spent most of the year on ir.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:And then John Carney went to the Pro bowl that year.
Speaker B:I think you're.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, he did.
Speaker B:Some lesser known kickers.
Speaker B: Bryant wore it for a year in: Speaker B:Wore number one pretty much of.
Speaker B:There's a lot of other players that are lesser known and we hate to forget them, but we would be here for, you know, a couple days here talking about everybody that were number one, but I think we covered, if I'm not mistaken, all of the major players that were number one in football history.
Speaker C:We've exhausted my memory bank.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Going down the list here a lot more.
Speaker C:If we go through the old game programs, we'll find a bunch of them.
Speaker B:A bunch of them, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, hey, we know, I appreciate you talking about the number one jerseys here, but you have some activities going.
Speaker B:Like we talked earlier, you are with the Big Blue Interactive.
Speaker B:You're a major contributor with them.
Speaker B:Major contributor with the Gridiron Uniform Database.
Speaker B:Do you have anything that you have going on with either of those great websites that you have something cooking that our listeners could tune into to see some of your work?
Speaker C:Well, there's always activity going on at the Gridiron Uniform Database.
Speaker C:Bill Shafer keeps me busy.
Speaker C:I'm kind of his right hand man and I help him out with a lot of the bigger research projects.
Speaker C:And you know, those big research projects, we always joke, you know, when we go into there looking for something, we find something else and you know, we're looking for face mask clips and then you're going through years and years of photos and then as you're going through the timeline, something else pops like, ah, we got to work on this.
Speaker C:And did you know this team was doing this this year?
Speaker C:We don't have that.
Speaker C:So that's just always Ongoing.
Speaker C:And you know, now that it's.
Speaker C:We're approaching the off season, every after the super bowl, that's when we really get to work on a lot of the historical parts of it, you know, because during the season a lot of it is keeping up with what the teams are wearing and changes and alternate uniforms and all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker C:So there's always something going on at the gridiron uniform database.
Speaker B:You just made me remember a story about you of our interaction.
Speaker B:I mean, early on in our correspondence back email quite a bit.
Speaker B:I asked you a question about.
Speaker B:I believe Tim Marsh had some, some celebration coming.
Speaker B:It might have been his birthday back in the summer.
Speaker B:And I asked you about.
Speaker B:And I didn't really, really know you that well.
Speaker B:And so I asked us, hi, you know, you're in the New York area, you know, what can you tell me about Timara?
Speaker B:And Larry sent me probably within 10 minutes I had probably a dozen newspaper clippings about Tim Mara and a giant and some history with our Rooney.
Speaker B:And it was, I was like, wow, that was overwhelming.
Speaker B:So Larry is very thorough.
Speaker C:Newspaper archives.
Speaker C:It, it's just fascinating.
Speaker C:You never, you never know what you're gonna find in there.
Speaker C:Always.
Speaker C:It's always interesting.
Speaker C:And yeah, so they, Bill and I, you spend a lot of time plundering the archives@newspaper.com and ProQuest and it's, you know, you dig and you dig it.
Speaker C:I liken it a lot to like virtual archaeology.
Speaker C:You dig and you dig and you.
Speaker B:Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker C:And then once in a while you find a gen, like, oh man, look what I.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, you were going to tell us about Big Blue Interactive.
Speaker B:Before I interrupt you, I apologize.
Speaker C:I haven't written an article for the website in a little while.
Speaker C:But what I am doing, which I tried to do a few years ago, was take a lot of the research articles that I wrote for the website and put them into a book.
Speaker C:So a couple of years ago I shopped my book idea around and I did get some interest, but it never quite worked out.
Speaker C:So I actually last weekend started my attempt at rewriting the whole thing.
Speaker C: on the Giants from, you know,: Speaker C:And I really, you know, I love, I love the early history of football.
Speaker C: Everything from: Speaker C:And it, you know, it eclipsed baseball as America's number one spectator sport.
Speaker C:But I just find all the history, the players, the coaches, the evolution of the game from the 20s, the 30s, you know, through the depression and then World War II and the all America Conference, I love it.
Speaker C:And you know, that's half the reason I love doing what I do in the newspaper archives.
Speaker C:It's not just looking at pictures and finding uniforms, but I love to read all that stuff.
Speaker C:I love reading the game summaries and it's just fascinating.
Speaker C:So I really hope to get my book published in it.
Speaker C:You know, it's a long term project.
Speaker C:It's going to be a lot of work.
Speaker C:It's going to take forever, but I want to do it.
Speaker C:And you know, in a couple of years, maybe you'll be interviewing me about my book.
Speaker B:Well, most definitely.
Speaker B:I was just going to say that when you do, when it's, you know, because you're going to do it, I know you, and you're going to be do a great job of it, you know, please let us know.
Speaker B:And we want to have you back on the program then to promote your book and talk about it and where people can get that once it comes out.
Speaker B:Because I'm sure our listeners will be extremely interested in your work after, after hearing this.
Speaker B:And I don't want to take up too much more of your time.
Speaker B:I appreciate the time you've given us today.
Speaker B:And do you have any final words before I let you go?
Speaker C:You do a great job.
Speaker C:I love your website.
Speaker C:I love everything that you do, you know, remembering old time football and players and you know, I'm a huge, huge fan of football history and you know, we just need to keep stuff like this going.
Speaker C:Podcasts and websites and books and, you know, keep it out there.
Speaker C:You know, football is a great game today, but it was great a long time ago too.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:I think we both have that ambition to preserve that great Gridiron history.
Speaker B:I know you and your cohorts over at Gridiron Uniform Database, Big Blue Interactive, Pigskin Dispatch, and all of my partners on the sportshistorynetwork.com, we're trying to preserve that history for future generations.
Speaker B:And plus, it's a lot of fun to talk about, just like we did today.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Yes, it is.
Speaker B:So, Larry Schmidt, I thank you very much again.
Speaker B:Again, you can check out Larry's work on the Big Blue Interactive.
Speaker B:He contributes quite a bit and a lot on the Gridiron Uniform Database.
Speaker B:They have some great stuff on uniforms from all the decades and teams of all the professional football and it's just a good time.
Speaker B:So, Larry, thank you once again for joining us.
Speaker C:Thank you for having me.
Speaker A:A very interesting man, Larry Schmidt.
Speaker A:He's always had some great stories and does his diligence on his research on football history as well as all the other members of the GUD over there.
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