Timothy Brown of Football Archaeology joins us to discuss a unique training method Pop Warner used on his players in preparing to play Dartmouth one year.

This story of course, comes from one of Tim's famous Tidbit Factoid Feasts

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Coming up in this episode, Timothy B. Brown joins us to tell us about a very unique exercise that a very famous coach taught his players to prepare for a game.

Tim's up in a moment to tell.

Us all about it.

This is the Pigskin Daily History Dispatch, a podcast that covers the anniversaries of american football events throughout history. Your host, Darren Hayes, is podcasting from America's north shore to bring you the memories of the gridiron one day at a time.

Hello, my football friends. This is Darren Hayes of pigskindispatch.com dot. Welcome once again to the pigpen, your portal to positive football history.

And welcome to another edition where we get to talk to our friend Timothy P. Brown of footballarchaeology.com dot. Tim, welcome back to the pigpen.

Hey, Darren. Good to chat. And I think we've got a couple of things to talk about this evening.

I think we do. You have a very interesting series that you have that comes up every now and again in your tidbits, and you call it the factoid feast.

Really is an interesting concept. Maybe you could explain a little bit about what your factoid feasts are before we get into some of the stories.

You know, when I'm researching whatever the topic of the day is, oftentimes I stumble across some other article, some other, or, you know, whether it's the adjoining article or within the article that I'm reading, something comes up that's like, oh, that's kind of interesting. And so, you know, I just, I have a way of saving all that kind of information.

It's just little things that I store, some of which then later on turn into a tidbit or an article, but others are just like, it's just this one little thing, you know, that it's worth letting people know that this happened, but it doesn't, you know, it's not, it doesn't warrant a full story. So, so I just kind of combined three of those into these factoidgest piece. It's just dinky little things that came up.

I thought they were kind of interesting, and so I thought I'd share them.

All right. You have another interesting story in this fact toy to a couple other ones, but why don't you tell us about the next one you have on that one?

And, you know, Warner is kind of an interesting guy. You know, sometimes I don't know what to make of him.

You know, I've read a lot of stuff about him, but, you know, this was his second tour of duty at Carlisle, and there are times when, of the whole. The whole structure of these indian schools was kind of all about getting these Indians to act like Americans.

It was like trying to get them to act like good old fashioned Anglo Saxon Americans, right?

And so, you know, so they brought them into these centralized, brought them off the reservation, these central schools, and they actually thought football was a way to kind of, you know, inculcate american values and virtues in these young men. And, you know, and kind of everything you read about Carlisle Indians was these were some. These are smart guys. They're all in good shape.

They weren't the biggest guys, but typically, you know, they just outlast you. They were just. They were in better shape. They were quick, you know, they. And they were clever, right? They were always called clever.

So anyways, so sometimes Warner, I don't know, he kind of sometimes seemed like he played into some stereotypes, but he was there for. I think he coached him for eight, nine years. So he had to love the guys, right? I mean, you know, he had to value them.

So, anyways, they're getting ready to go play Dartmouth, and I think Dartmouth was undefeated, and. And Carlisle, I think, was like seven one and one or something.

So two, you know, at the time, these are two top eastern teams that are getting ready to get ready to meet on a Saturday.

And so, you know, whether he sensed that these guys were maybe a little bit tight or something, you know, it's just the story that he, at the end of practice, rather than putting them through the traditional conditioning drill, he had him play leapfrog for 15 minutes.

And it's just one of those things, like, you know, and, you know, presumably these guys either hadn't, you know, encountered leapfrog before, or maybe they had, but they had a blast, you know? So it kind of lightened the mood. It just, you know, it kind of reinforced for them that they were ready.

You know, they didn't have to do anything special. Now let's just have a good time and, you know, leapfrog over one another's bodies and get ready to play dartmouth.

It's probably pretty good conditioning exercise. Are you sitting thinking about today? They have, like, box jumps and everything.

So you're, you know, you're exercising those muscles in your upper leg to jump high, and, you know, it probably had some. Some of the similar effects.

Yeah, I don't doubt it. You know, because Warner knew what he was doing on that stuff.

But was there any indications that they were jumping over Dartmouth players, as they.

Well, they may have, because they won 35 to ten. So. So whatever. Whatever Warner did, it worked. And so, you know, the now doing leapfrog never really turned into a traditional football exercise.

But, hey, maybe there's some coach out there that's listening, and maybe TCU would.

Be appropriate to put that in there being the horn frogs.

Those horn frogs.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, send that. Suggest, you know, mail. Mail it into them. You know, do it the old fashioned way. No emails or anything.

Just send them a postcard or a nice little handwritten letter, and there you go.

Sign Pop Warner. Yes. That's really snail mail. Took 100 years to get there and.

Postmark it from Carlisle.

Okay, I can do that. It's not too far away. You know who's going to love this? We got to talk to a gentleman a few weeks ago.

He's a native american, and he has a website on native american sports heroes. So we talked a lot about football sports here, talked about the Carlisle team and everything. He is a. He'll get a kick out of us.

I'll send him a link when we put this one out because he'll get it. But he's got a site called the NDN all Stars. NDN, meaning quickly, you say Indian all stars, and I learned a bunch of things from him.

Like, I didn't realize that Jim Plunkett and Johnny Bench were both Native American, so. But it's a. For Native American, they're trying to find people that are like them and from their heritage that are sports stars.

It's really, really cool project he's got going on there. So I learned a lot. It's kind of neat.

I wasn't aware of bench. I didn't know about plunk it. Yeah. Cool, cool stuff.

Yeah, yeah. So, excellent. Excellent job on that story. So, Tim, you have more than just a factoid feast in your tidbits. You have.

You talk just about anything in football history. Maybe you could share with folks how they can enjoy your tidbits.

Yeah, just go out to footballarchaeology.com, subscribe, and if you do that, then you'll get an email. Every. Every time I release a new story, you'll get an email with the story embedded in that email. So that's the best way to do it.

And then alternatively, you can follow me on threads on Twitter or the. Or the substack app. Substack app. Actually, has some, has some pretty cool features now.

So, you know, that's worth taking a look at if, you know, if you read my stuff and or other substack.

Yeah, threads most definitely. They communicate very well.

And sometimes you get an email with everybody you follow on Substack, or a lot of times, you know, just what Tim's got coming out, too. So it's a great, great, uh, device to get information.

So, Tim, we really thank you for, for joining us and sharing this football history with us, and we'll love to talk to you again next week.

Yeah, look forward to it.

Thank you.

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