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227. 5 Smart Ways to Respond to Student Work Refusal
6th October 2025 • Teacher Approved: Elementary Teacher Tips & Strategies • Heidi and Emily, Elementary School Teacher and Resource Designer
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You’ve just wrapped up an engaging lesson, given clear directions, and most of your class is happily working…except for that one student who just will not pick up a pencil. We know how discouraging it feels when this happens, so this week we’re sharing our best strategies for handling those tough moments with empathy and intention. Discover why work refusal isn’t just defiance, what students might really be communicating, and the simple shifts that can turn resistance into engagement.

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Heidi:

This is episode 227 of Teacher Approved.

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You're listening to Teacher Approved, the podcast helping

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educators elevate what matters and simplify the rest. I'm

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Heidi.

Emily:

And I'm Emily. We're the creators behind Second Story

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Window, where we give research based and teacher approved

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strategies that make teaching less stressful and more

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effective. You can check out the show notes and resources from

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each episode at secondstorywindow.net.

Heidi:

We're so glad you're tuning in today. Let's get to

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the show.

Emily:

Hey there. Thanks for joining us today. In today's

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episode, we are sharing practical strategies for

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handling student work refusal, and we have a teacher approved

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tip for creating a simple prevention checklist you can use

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during lesson planning.

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Let's start with a try it tomorrow, where we share a quick

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win that you can try in your classroom right away. Emily,

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what's our suggestion for this week?

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This week try the Choice to Skip strategy. So when you're

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giving an assignment with multiple problems or questions,

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tell your students that they can choose one to skip. You might

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say something like, everyone needs to do problems five and

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eight, but you can choose one of the other problems to skip.

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We know that this sounds counterintuitive, but giving

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kids permission to skip something often makes them way

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more willing to tackle the rest.

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I know, it's such a good strategy. So if you like this

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idea or anything else we share here on the podcast, we would

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appreciate it so much if you would take a second and give us

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a five star rating and review in your podcast app.

Heidi:

Alright, let's talk about one of those classroom moments

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that can make or break your day. That is when a student just will

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not work.

Emily:

Yeah, we all know how it goes. You've taught a great

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lesson, given clear directions, and most kids are happily

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working away. But there's that one student, or, you know, maybe

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a few, that are sitting there with their arms crossed,

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scribbling on their paper or finding every possible way to

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avoid the task.

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As a teacher, this is so triggering, it feels personal

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like they are provoking us on purpose. And I'm not fully

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convinced that they're not.

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Right. But if you only remember one thing from today's

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episode, we want you to remember this, work refusal is

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communication.

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And even if it feels like what they're communicating is

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defiance, I promise that it is much more than that. These kids

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are telling us something, and it's our job, as the grown up,

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unfortunately, to figure out what that something is.

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And that does not mean that it is not frustrating, but

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that does mean there's a lot we can do about it. And let's start

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with the single most effective way to deal with work refusal,

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and that is to prevent it from starting in the first place.

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That is basically our behavior management mantra. What can we

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do to stop it before it starts?

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And with work refusal, that really comes down to this.

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Are your lessons clear, engaging, and broken down in a

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way that supports student success?

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And we promise this can be much simpler than it may

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sound. It just means asking yourself, am I giving students

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enough opportunities to do the work with me before I expect

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them to do it on their own? The more you build that in, the less

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likely you are to hit a wall of refusal when it's time for

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independent practice.

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Now this doesn't mean that you have to hand out a

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worksheet mid lesson for your students to work on. There are

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lots of quick and easy ways to get students thinking and doing

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while you're teaching, without having to get out paper and

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pencil.

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If you want lots of examples, go back and check out

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episode 161 where we talked about how to add active

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responses to any lesson using choral response, signals, signs,

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writing, and technology.

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Now, hopefully this single step of preparing

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engaging lessons magically solves all of your work refusal

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problems before they start.

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Yeah, please, fingers crossed.

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And to help you with that task, at the end of this

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episode, we have a quick checklist that we'll share that

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you can use to evaluate any lesson before you teach it.

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Okay, but let's be honest, even the best, most

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engaging lesson isn't going to prevent every instance of work

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refusal. Sometimes what worked great yesterday may totally flop

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today.

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So let's get you set up with a toolbox for what to do

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when, despite your best efforts, work refusal shows up anyway.

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The first tool is to understand what not to do.

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Yeah, we want to avoid the "don'ts" that can take a

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rough moment and turn it into a full scale disaster.

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But if you see yourself in any of these, please be

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gentle with yourself, because it is so easy for this to happen.

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When kids refuse to work, it triggers some pretty strong

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emotions, and our first instinct might be to double down or to

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start threatening consequences, but don't get caught in a power

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struggle.

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Right. A power struggle is the absolute least helpful

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solution to this problem. We are after cooperation, not

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compliance. The moment it becomes a battle of wills,

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everybody loses.

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Our second "don't" is don't punish, especially by

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taking away recess. Kids need that movement, and the break

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time, and taking it away will likely cause more problems later

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in the day, not fewer.

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And don't assume students are being lazy or difficult on

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purpose, even if it seems like 100% that is what is happening.

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There is usually something else going on.

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Now, in desperate moments, we know it can be so

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tempting to resort to bribes, something like, if you just do

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this page, you can have extra computer time, but don't do

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this. Bribes will work in the moment, but they're not solving

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the underlying issue, and they can actually make work refusal

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worse over time.

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The last "don't" might be the most important. Don't react

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out of frustration. When you feel that emotional reaction

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rising up, you know, the irritation, the anger, pause and

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take a breath before you respond. Regulate yourself

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first, because whatever you do next will either help the

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situation or make it a whole lot harder.

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And really, we know it is so easy to feel triggered in

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this moment. So please, if you have experienced any of these

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"don'ts" in the past, be kind to yourself, because we have all

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done it. Probably we've all done a whole combination of those.

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Yeah, in tough moments, we don't always respond as the

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best version of ourselves. And I can, like, just feel my blood

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pressure rising just talking about this and remembering what

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it feels like in these moments where you want to just get into

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it, like, no, no, you are going to do it, because I said so. But

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now that you have got some clarity about how work refusal

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might trigger you, remind yourself to pause and breathe

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before reacting in the future.

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And then once you have avoided that minefield of

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don'ts, you're in a much better place for the next step in

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managing work refusal, which is to get curious.

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Remember, work refusal is communication, like we said.

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Every time a student refuses, they're telling you something,

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even if it's coming out sideways through crossed arms and

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dramatic size. Our job isn't to win the battle. It's to figure

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out what's going on underneath.

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When you are 10 minutes into writing time and one kid

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still hasn't picked up a dang pencil, shift your focus. Try

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pretending you're a doctor, and challenge yourself to evaluate

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this patient. Start by asking yourself, what might this

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behavior be trying to say, and what does the student need right

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now?

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If one student is refusing to write their

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persuasive essay because they had a fight at recess, and

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another is refusing because they don't understand the assignment,

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they need completely different responses from you.

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So try running through a list of diagnostic questions.

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Does the student have the academic skills to complete this

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task? Maybe the directions don't click, or maybe they're missing

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background knowledge. What looks like defiance might actually be

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a quiet panic.

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And sometimes the issue is attention, not ability. Look

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around the environment. Is it too noisy or distracting? Is the

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student dealing with something outside of school that makes

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focusing nearly impossible in the moment? Maybe their little

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world is crumbling, and the last thing they have the bandwidth

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for is writing a persuasive essay.

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Also consider if the student actually knows how to

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get started. This is an executive functioning challenge.

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The student might have the right understanding, but planning out

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the steps feels overwhelming, so they just shut down instead.

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And don't forget basic needs. Are they hungry, tired,

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uncomfortable? Nobody can do their best work if their body is

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struggling.

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Now, if you can't diagnose the problem from the

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outside, just try asking the student what they need in order

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to get started. When you approach with curiosity instead

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of judgment, the student feels seen instead of shamed, and that

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really changes everything.

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And curiosity also gives you options. If it's a skill

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issue, you can scaffold. If it's planning, you can break down the

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task into smaller steps. If it's focus, you can offer a quick

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regulation break.

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So instead of asking, why won't they just do this work,

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flip it to what's getting in their way right now, and how can

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I help clear that path?

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Of course, kids can't always articulate what's wrong,

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and you'll likely get a response like nothing, or, I don't know.

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And when that happens, use your past history with the

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student to make your best guess about whether the problem is

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academic, emotional, or environmental. Then once you

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have a theory about what's going on, you can respond in a way

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that actually addresses the root issue.

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Once you've managed any outside issues that might be

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impacting the student, you're ready for the next step,

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offering support that helps students re engage.

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Now let's imagine that you have just wrapped up your

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top notch, super engaging geometry lesson. Next is time

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for independent practice. You explain the assignment and you

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turn the kids loose. It seems like everyone is getting to

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work, but then you take a closer look, and you notice one kid is

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drawing Pokemon on his paper, one is playing with the Gibbets

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on her crocs, and another hasn't even noticed there's a paper on

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his desk.

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Ugh, those Croc Gibbets. You can feel your blood pressure

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rising by the second. Why did these kids have to make

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everything so hard? So the first thing is to remember the don'ts,

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don't react, don't get into a power struggle. Take some deep

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breaths and let your brain reset.

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And then while you're breathing, get curious. What

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does each situation need? Use what you know about your past

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interactions with these kids to diagnose the problem. Are there

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any deeper, academic, emotional, or environmental problems at

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play?

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Then address the issues you can and provide the support

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students need to get started. Maybe the girl with the crocs

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just needs a reminder to leave her shoes alone. But if students

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need more support, we're going to use a tool from Fred Jones'

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book Tools for Teaching, called praise, prompt, and leave.

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Now I swear by this technique, it can absolutely

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save you in a tough moment, and it has saved me in plenty of

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them. So let's talk about how this works in action. You walk

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over to the desk nearest you, maybe it's the kid drawing the

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Pokemon pictures, and you find something to praise about what

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they have done right so far. Now this might be tricky if all he's

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done is draw Pokemon pictures.

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Yes, but even if all you can say is, I'm glad you've got

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your pencil ready to go, starting with connection will

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help keep the situation positive.

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The type of praise you use in this moment really does

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matter. Try to focus on effort, not ability. Something like,

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"look how quickly you got started on that first problem"

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is more useful than "you're so smart."

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After praising whatever action they've taken, give them

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one simple prompt about the very next step they should take.

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Don't go over the whole assignment, just the next step.

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Say something like, "the next thing you need to do is circle

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all the angles."

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And then you leave. Don't hover or wait for them to

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complete that step. You will circle back in a few minutes to

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check on progress, but don't wait for them to get started

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before you move on. The goal is to scaffold their independence,

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not make them dependent on you, walking them through every step.

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Now let's say you've calmed your emotions, you've

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gotten curious about what's going on, and you've tried to

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praise, prompt, and leave, but the work still isn't getting

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done. We have all been in those situations, it can leave you

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feeling really stuck.

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But we promise you are not stuck, because you have got

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some more tools to try. When you find yourself in this moment,

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the next step is to make the work feel more manageable. A lot

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of the time, work refusal comes down to the task being too big

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or too out of the student's control.

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Yeah, think about how you feel when someone hands you a 10

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page form to fill out. Oh, the worst. Large assignments can be

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daunting, even to adults, so let's do what we can to limit

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that overwhelm for our kids.

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So how do we shrink that mountain down into a hill that a

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student can actually climb? Two of the best tools we have for

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this are chunking and offering agency. Emily, can you tell us

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more about chunking?

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Yeah, well, when we say chunk an assignment, isn't it

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such an elegant word to describe it? This means we're breaking

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the work down into smaller, bite sized steps. So instead of

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expecting students to face a whole page of math problems,

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cover all but the first one or two and say, work these, then

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we'll check in.

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This also works with other assignments, like writing.

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Instead of "write a paragraph about your favorite animal," you

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can try chunking your directions. "First choose the

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animal you're going to write about, and then write one

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sentence about what it looks like."

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You can also try chunking the time. Use timers to create

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mini deadlines, like, "Work for three minutes, then let's see

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how far you get." Each small win builds momentum, and before you

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know it, the student who couldn't even start five minutes

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ago is suddenly halfway done.

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Besides chunking, you can make work more manageable by

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offering agency. Kids are much more likely to engage when they

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feel that they have some say in what happens.

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Now before you have a heart attack, that absolutely

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does not mean turning your class into a free for all. Think of it

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more like choices within structure.

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Yeah, you're likely to find students much more engaged

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in their work if they have some say in how it gets done. So try

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offering limited options and see how quickly it changes the mood

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in your room. Just make sure that you can live with whatever

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they choose.

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Yeah, don't offer students the choice to either do

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their work independently or with a buddy if you don't want to

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manage partner work at that moment. It's fine, there are

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lots of simple ways to give students options that don't make

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your job harder.

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An easy one, for example, is to try offering students the

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choice of where to work. "You can stay at your desk or take

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your paper to the carpet," or, "You could work at the top of

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your desk, or you could turn around and use your chair as a

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desk." You know, little tweaks make a big difference.

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You can also give students the choice of how they

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work. Can they use pen, pencil or crayon to complete the

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assignment? Or maybe give options about the format of

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their response. "You can write this out, type it, or draw your

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response."

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One of my favorite options for students, and one of

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the easiest was to let them choose the order they do the

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problems. If it doesn't really affect the outcome, just let

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them pick. "You can start with the first three problems or the

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last three problems. It's up to you."

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And that choice to skip strategy from our try it

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tomorrow fits perfectly in this category.

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Kids love that one. Honestly, it will make you their

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favorite teacher.

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Another way to offer choice is to invite the student

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into helping solve the situation. Ask them, "what part

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feels hardest," or "what would make this feel doable?"

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Empowering students to solve their own problems can be just

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the nudge they need to turn things around.

Heidi:

As helpful and powerful and useful as these tools are,

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sometimes the wisest decision you can make is just to do

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nothing.

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Yeah, as a teacher, you need to learn to recognize when

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the battle isn't worth it. If anything you try is just going

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to escalate the situation, just leave it alone. Assuming the

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child isn't in any danger, a short reset or coming back to it

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later can be more effective than forcing compliance right now.

Heidi:

Maybe they need a few minutes to cool down, or maybe

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the timing just isn't right. You can always circle back when

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they're in a better headspace.

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When things have calmed down and it's time to have that

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conversation, the most important thing is to listen. Don't jump

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in with your thoughts about what's happening. Let them talk

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first. You really might be surprised what you learn.

Heidi:

And if work refusal becomes a persistent pattern,

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that's when you might need to involve other support, school

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counselors, administrators or parents. You don't have to solve

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everything by yourself.

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Okay, let's do a quick recap of our strategies for

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handling work refusal. First, prevent it when you can with

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engaging, well-scaffolded instruction that sets students

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up for success. When it does happen anyway, avoid power

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struggles, punishment or bribes. Regulate yourself first, get

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curious about what the behavior is communicating, like, is there

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an academic, emotional or environmental issue at play?

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Next, provide support with praise, prompt, and leave.

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Make the work feel manageable by breaking it down and offering

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choice within structure. Involve students in collaborative

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problem solving, and know when it's better just to let it go

Heidi:

and come back later.

Emily:

Remember, work refusal is communication, not defiance. You

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have tools to respond without burning yourself out. These kids

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aren't trying to make your life difficult. They're trying to

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tell you something, and now you know how to listen.

Heidi:

We would love to hear how these strategies work in your

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classroom. Come join the conversation in our Teacher

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Approved Facebook group.

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Now for our Teacher Approved Tip of the Week, where

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we share an actionable tip to help you elevate what matters

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and simplify the rest. This week's teacher approved tip is

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to create a simple prevention checklist for lesson planning.

Emily:

So tell us about this, Heidi.

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Well, we mentioned earlier in the episode that

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prevention is your best strategy for avoiding work refusal. So we

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want to give you some specific questions that you can ask

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yourself during lesson planning. These literally take one minute

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to run through, but they can save you 20 minutes of

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redirecting and re-teaching during work time.

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Here are the questions. First, academic readiness. Can

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most of your students do this independently after your guided

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practice? Is there a clear model or example they can refer to?

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What's the hardest part of this task, and have you taught that

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piece well enough?

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Next, engagement and motivation. Why would a student

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care about this assignment? Is there any choice, movement or

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novelty built in? Can you explain the why behind this work

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in kid friendly terms?

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Then overwhelm prevention. Does this look

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doable at first glance, or does it look like a lot? Can you

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break this into smaller chunks or steps? How long will this

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realistically take your slowest worker?

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Also consider environment and logistics. Do students have

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everything they need to complete this? Are there too many

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distractions happening during this work time? Is this the

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right time of day for this type of task?

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And finally, differentiation reality check.

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What will your struggling learners do when they get stuck?

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What will your fast finishers do so they don't become

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distractions? Do students understand what being done with

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this assignment looks like?

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And here is my favorite question of all. If you were

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tired and this assignment landed on your desk right now, would

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you want to do it? If the answer is no, your students probably

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won't want to do it either.

Emily:

These questions help you catch potential work refusal

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before it happens, and honestly, they make your teaching more

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engaging for everyone, not just the kids who might refuse to

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work.

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We will put the full checklist in the show notes so

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that you can reference it easily during planning time.

Heidi:

To wrap up the show, we're sharing what we're giving extra

Emily:

I'm giving extra credit to Noco cookie cakes on

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credit to this week. Emily, what gets your extra credit?

Emily:

Instagram. She's also on Tiktok. I randomly stumbled on her

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account like a month ago, and I got sucked in watching these

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videos. So it's this woman who, last year, I believe, lost her

Emily:

job, and I don't really understand why, but she got this

Emily:

idea of making cookie cake. So she's making just like a big

Emily:

chocolate chip cookie, and then using frosting to decorate it.

Emily:

But the best part is she does a voiceover of the recording of

Emily:

But she is not a decorator. She's not really good at writing

Emily:

or drawing anything. So already like the outcome is hilarious.

Emily:

her, the sped up, you know, clip, edited version of her

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making this cake. And it just delights me. She's hilarious. I

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saw on her Instagram, she described herself as a cookie

Emily:

cake comedian. And I was like, yeah, that's accurate. I wish I

Emily:

lived in Colorado. I'd get myself a cookie cake so that she

Emily:

could make fun of me while she makes it. Because she always

Emily:

makes fun of like, what people request on their cake, or

Emily:

laments, why do people keep making me write things, and

Emily:

anyway. And the other funny thing is, she says all the time

Emily:

that she doesn't like frosting, like she would not want to eat

Emily:

one of these cakes, which makes it even funnier. It's so good.

Emily:

If you need a laugh, I will link to it in the show notes. Noco

Emily:

cookie cakes.

Heidi:

Highly recommend. I did see though today, I don't know

Heidi:

if you saw this, she hurt her hand.

Emily:

Oh no.

Heidi:

She hasn't been able to decorate her case.

Emily:

No, I haven't seen that. What a tragedy.

Heidi:

I know. So everyone's a bit concerned. Hopefully Noco

Heidi:

can continue.

Emily:

Yes, please. I'll have to check in on that. What are you

Emily:

giving extra credit to, Heidi?

Heidi:

Well, I'm giving extra credit to the picture book A

Heidi:

Fall Day for Bear by Bonnie Becker. I love these bear books

Heidi:

so much. It's about like a grumpy, surly just want to be on

Heidi:

his own, introvert, bear and a peppy, extroverted mouse who

Heidi:

adopts him as his best friend.

Emily:

Against as well.

Heidi:

Yeah, so they have all kinds of hijinks together. Yeah,

Heidi:

a fall picture book is always a win. And then this is just so

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cute. And this one, though, it's a bit of a role reversal,

Heidi:

because mouse is having a really bad day, and so bear has to step

Heidi:

up to cheer him up. So it's very sweet. It's a perfect book for

Heidi:

fall. I know we did some vocabulary for Christmas for

Heidi:

Bear and Mouse. I think we have a vocabulary resource.

Emily:

Yes.

Heidi:

So if you have not met bear and mouse, this is the

Heidi:

moment you need to jump on that.

Emily:

Yeah, and I did not know about this new book, so I'm

Emily:

excited to check it out.

Heidi:

It's very cute.

Heidi:

That is it for today's episode. Remember, work refusal is

Heidi:

communication. Your job isn't to force compliance. It's to figure

Heidi:

out what your students need and to help them get there.

Emily:

Try our strategies for handling work refusal with

Emily:

curiosity instead of frustration. And don't forget

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our Teacher Approved tip for creating a prevention checklist

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during lesson planning.

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We hope you enjoyed this episode of teacher approved. I'm

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