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(01:52) Opus Dei

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joe.

At the start of this year, I kind of made a sort of a, a resolution

that I would try not to talk about crazy Christians as much as I had.

Well, you said that.

Yeah, yeah.

Cardinal Pell died and not myself, and now a's day.

Premier of New South Wales and all that sort of stuff.

It's, it's all in the news, can help yourself.

It's all about picking a fight with him and nothing to do with what

people need to know about schools.

Yeah.

So we're gonna get into it, but we're gonna get into Opus Day and just

necessarily more crazy Christians.

It's an interesting group, the group, so it's worth looking at.

We'll do a bit of that.

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Hello Brahman and Alison.

Good on you, Alison.

So, ah, right, Joe AK these Christian schools, so part of me, like Four Corners

has done a bit of an expose in talking about some of the unsavory practices

that have been going on in the schools that are run by the Opus Day group.

I don't believe it.

Mm-hmm.

and there's been sort of commentary by parents of students who

are angry at what's happened.

And I just wanna say, you really have a right to comment.

Angry, angry, angry at what had happened in the school.

And it's like you send your kids to an AIST Day school.

What did you expect was going to happen?

Well, yeah, it was, it was a good private school.

We didn't think they were gonna indoctrinate them.

. Yes.

We were just sending our kids there to avoid the riff raff.

Well, exactly.

At the public school.

Yeah.

You know, so it's just that, that's, that's why we were doing it.

And we can't believe that we've, we've, we've had all these

other issues crop up, it seems.

So I just, I, I, I lack some sympathy for these people who who are never complained.

Well, I'm complaining about what happened to their little un Unfortunately,

the system is so screwed up now that unfortunately a lot of state schools

are left with whatever, the public schools won't take the private.

Yeah.

The private schools won't.

Mm.

So there are issues with behavior in what you're right, in that Yeah, it's

harder for state schools to get rid of.

I, unfortunately, because of the huge funding of private schools, it, it

means that what is left in state school is underfunded and generally is less

watered down than in other places.

What do you mean less watered down?

Well, I mean, you have, I dunno, 10% bad kids, right?

If you take all the good kids out of the class, you're left with the bad kids.

Mm-hmm.

. Okay.

And so I think the public schools, by default have become the catchall

and, and the private schools are cherry picking the best students.

Mm-hmm.

, that's all, that's all true.

However, if you've got a kid who's capable and goes to Oh, absolutely.

Private school or a public school, their chances are the same in

terms of success at school.

Because they're a good private and bad private good public.

Absolutely bad private.

It depends.

And yeah.

So anyway, I think you get a much better life experience at a public

school, especially after watching the Four Corners Report and what was

going on at the Opus Day Schools.

Just terrible.

Anyway before we get on to what was going on in those schools,

just a little bit of background.

Of course.

Dominic Perone, new South Wales Premier is, is known as an Opus Day member.

Went to one of the schools in question and, but you know, it's not necessarily

got any, gonna get any better if you get the Labor Party in at the next

election because Chris Mins voted against voluntary assisted dying

laws and is a devout and overt Roman Catholic, so he may not be over stay.

But he's a fairly strong Roman Catholic, which is kind of what Avast Day is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're just an more extreme version of Catholicism, aren't they?

Yes, that's right.

And apparently we'll get into it, but one of the sort of things about Abust

Day is, is secrecy and not letting people know you are a member of Opus Day is

kind of one of the things they're into.

So it's possible possible.

Chris Mins is one and wouldn't even let it on.

So, so I did a little, little bit of Wikipedia research, so it was the

easiest research obviously to do, but it's worth just a quick look at,

with Opus Day because everyone would think of it from the DaVinci novel.

Did you ever see that one, Joey?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've read them and I, I was fairly sure Op day was a,

was it, was it Angels and Demons or was it the other one?

I dunno.

It's one of the albino guy, the, the albino guy was into self-flagellation

and some crazy stuff, which didn't cast the light on, I think.

I think that's Angels and demons.

Mm-hmm.

So that's when they sort of came to the public notice to some extent.

But founded in Spain in 1928, so not that long ago.

Oh, okay.

By Catholic priest.

And he gave it the name Opus Day, which in Latin means work of God.

So that's why the followers, when they're talking about their, what they do refer

to it as the work for the work of God.

So in 2018, there were 95,000 members worldwide.

About 70% of members live in their own homes, living family

lives with secular careers.

And the other 30% are celibate.

And the majority of those live in Opus Day centers.

Mm.

We'll get onto one of those in a moment.

Conent Sea og.

Really?

Yes.

There's, there's a number of similarities with sea OG and the Scientology.

Yeah, there is.

So in 2022, Cape Francis issued an apostolic letter, which seems to

have reduced the influence of Opus Day within the Catholic Church.

One of the central features of the theology is the belief that everyone

should aspire to be a saint, and it stresses the importance of

work and professional competence.

Ops Day exhorts its members and all a Catholics to find God in

daily life and perform their work excellently as a service to society

and as a fitting offering to God.

That's got a bit of the Pentecostalism in it.

To me, is this work really Pentecostal?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

But the Pentecostals are all, it's all about believing in Jesus.

And it doesn't matter what works you do well under,

technically, under Pentecostalism if you are successful in life.

Yeah.

It's because God has favored you, not because of what you've done yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hard.

It's a sign for yourself, not work hard for others.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's a sign that God has favored you if you are successful.

But people have bastardized that and, and have decided, well, if I work

really hard, then God will favor me.

Like even though the doctrine is strictly the other way around, they've

reverted it so they're quite hardworking.

And that whole Methodist thing that it springs from is very hardworking.

Yeah, but I, I think the Catholic is you, your good works for

other people is what saves you.

Yes, yes.

Which is not the case in the Protestants.

Correct.

It's a more selfish one.

Yes.

But there is this emphasis on work and career and climb the ladder

and, and become an important man is definitely part of it.

So, so that's part of Opus day and what else is part of their practice?

Public attention is focused on their practice of mortification, the voluntary

offering up of discomfort or pain to God.

And this includes fasting, self-flagellation, sleeping without

a pillow or sleeping on the floor.

So they're into that sort of stuff.

I.

Just good old fashioned Catholic suffering taken to another level.

Classicism.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I mean the, the Filipinos nail themselves to crosses, don't they?

Yes.

Yeah.

So it's, it's, it's, it's a feature of Catholicism, but taken to another level.

So critics state that Apes Bay Ops Day is ex intensively secretive.

For example, members generally do not disclose their affiliation

with APAs Day in public.

And under the 1950 Constitution, members were expressly forbidden

to reveal themselves without the permission of their superiors.

Mm-hmm.

Ops Day.

Yeah.

I never really myself.

Yeah, that's right.

Well, that's because you're a mason.

Isn't, and you, isn't that it?

No.

Because apparently you have to have a belief in higher power to be a mason.

Yeah.

Has been accused of being deceptive and it's aggressive recruiting practices.

And instructing nuer areas to form friendships and attend social gatherings

explicitly for recruiting purposes.

This is very much the Sea OG sort of feel about it.

And critics allege that they maintain an extremely high

degree of control over members.

For instance past rules required numer to submit their incoming and outgoing

mail to their superiors for inspection.

And members are forbidden to read certain books without

permission from their superiors.

And critics charge that APAs day pressures numer to sever contact with

non-members, including their own families.

Sounds very Joe.

Yeah, I mean the, the not reading books sounds very much like Scientology with

the don't, don't look on the internet.

Mm-hmm.

Everything is out to change your mind.

Warp your mind.

Mm-hmm.

And just deconvert you controlling your information flow.

and, yep.

Sounds pretty nasty.

So anyway, onto the Full Corners Report.

Yes.

So there's stories from, did you see it at all?

No, I've heard about it, but I've yet to see it.

Yeah.

Stories from dozens of former students at Tanga, which is the

Girls School and Redfield College.

The boys school.

So they're both small but powerful Catholic schools.

Interviews with 30 alumni conducted by four corners.

Revealing, disturbing practices.

Students say these were particularly the girls.

Were talking about this in there seem to be more girls

were interviewed on the show.

Students would say they were told watching pornography causes holes

in the brain and they're actually showed them pictures of brain scans

and told, see those marks there?

That's all.

holes caused by watching pornography, it sounds like, the whole no fat movement.

Mm-hmm.

, they, they used the pseudoscience.

Right.

Anyway, these girls did their own Googling and found the exact same pictures on

the internet and the dark patches that they were referring to as holes in the

brain were just normal parts of the brain that appeared dark on a scan.

Like there were just nothing unusual about it at all.

These people are just, funnily enough, it's not true, Joe.

It d pornography doesn't cause holes in the brain.

It seems people lying to instilled guilt around sexual pleasure.

Indeed did shock me.

Indeed.

Yes.

And what else?

Ah, this one, Joe.

Girls were discouraged from getting the lifesaving HPV cervical cancer

vaccine, like actively discouraged.

The ones who got it were shamed.

The girls and their parents say they were told it would promote promiscuity and

they were expected to marry as virgins.

So they didn't, they'd been huge culture wars in the States about this.

Mm-hmm.

So this is going on.

Yeah.

No notice the girls were expected to marry as virgins.

Yes.

Yes.

Well, yes.

In the argument about the vaccine, it's only girls who get that vaccine, isn't it?

One of the girls pointed out it's boys and girls now.

Do they?

Mm-hmm.

Ah, is it really?

Okay.

I believe so.

It's one of the girls, one of the girls pointed out, well,

I might get from a husband.

Yeah.

So that had affect No, no.

My understanding is that whilst it's rare that it's penile cancer,

you get throat and mouth cancer.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

So, what else was in there?

Pages in the curriculum were ripped out or redacted from textbooks.

Homophobia was rife and there were persistent attempts to recruit

school students to Opus Day.

So gosh, send your kid to an Opus Day school and they

might get recruited anyway.

Former students say their schooling was left with psychological damage.

Like, I really feel sorry for these poor kids who don't get any say in it.

And there was one guy who was gay and had a terrible time, obviously locked himself

in the toilet most of his days there, just so he wouldn't get abused by people.

It would've been horrendous.

The poor bugger.

Let's see.

Schools affiliated with obste independent schools.

Joe run outside the Catholic education system.

The funding for the girls school in 2021 reached 5 million.

From state and federal governments.

Yeah.

But think how much money they saved the taxpayer in state schools.

and Redfield received 2.7 million from the Commonwealth.

850 from New South Wales.

You know, goodness sake pouring money into these.

Yeah.

The government would've spent at least $500,000 to educate

them in a state school.

Yeah.

I always tell people about this with Goldman and, you know, mother Mary

Celeste closing the schools because of the threat from the government.

The government said the toilets, you've gotta close this school

cuz the toilets are unacceptable.

And she said, well, if you force me to close this school, I'm gonna close

all of the schools in Goldman and you won't have time to rebuild other

schools and Goldman will be in a mess.

And so that's when they caved in, provided some money for the toilet.

And then that was the thin edge of the wedge that led to.

the situation we are in now with 40% of students going to private schools.

Yeah.

And what I say to people is that the amount that is paid to those private

schools in Goldman now per head mm-hmm.

is almost exactly what he's paid per head to the private school, to the

state school per head in Goldman.

So, that just gives it perspective.

We're not more, we're not saving money by paying these people.

No.

We we're usually paying more.

Mm-hmm.

The other question I've got is government gives them money to

build a new, I dunno, sports Hall.

Mm-hmm.

, and the school shuts down.

Mm-hmm.

, who owns the building.

Right.

Did the school shut down?

No.

No, no.

I'm, I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is what will happen.

So this is, it'll belong to the, it belongs to the school.

It belongs to the school, which is then sold off as a private

thing that the church owns.

Yes, yes.

So we build all this infrastructure, but at the end of the day, we

are funding private churches who own that infrastructure.

Yeah.

There, there's no clause as far as I know, that says if you cease to

function as a business, all of your assets transferred to the state.

No, there wouldn't be no.

Under nine Fisk government, we, we just reclaim that.

Don't worry about it, Joe.

Oh, absolutely.

We should resume them all.

All private schools should be resumed.

Mm-hmm.

We're so radical.

And, and the same with medical facilities.

Mm-hmm.

Mater Hospital.

Yeah.

Where they're refusing to allow women to have an I U D.

Yeah.

Unless it's clearly for a hormonal reason rather than birth control.

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Okay.

Just a little bit more on these guys.

Hopes Day.

Acis is also known as a sack cloth.

Originally a garment or undergarment made of course, cloth

or animal hair, a hair shirt.

So the Opus Day members are big on wearing uncomfortable things.

And so one of the things that they're.

They do in the opus day, particularly the women, is they wear a, a sort of

a chain of metal spikes around their upper thigh to cause discomfort.

And it's an interesting story I found from the daily art male from quite a while

ago, 10 years ago or something like that.

But it reads she's a respectable and intelligent, so why does Sarah

attach a painful barbed chain to her leg for two hours a day?

Sarah Cassidy is the sort of no nonsense capable woman you might expect to find

as a head mistress of a primary school.

But she doesn't do children and she doesn't do husbands either.

She's 43 single celibate, determined to remain so, and each night she

fastens a wire chain known as a sillus around her upper thigh.

It's got sharp prongs that dig into her skin and flesh.

Well, they usually doesn't draw blood.

So she's a member of a yes, she's obviously a member of a day.

And so in a bid to correct false impressions, Sarah agreed to meet

with the journalist to discuss what it is that attracts women

like her to such an austere group.

And this woman says she was brainwashed as a child.

Well, she was actually quite normal and ended up going to an all-girls

school and got indoctrinated.

Hmm.

So every evening, just before she does the washing up, Eileen straps

her strand of barbed wire around her leg and leaves it there for two

whole hours scratching at her skin.

Joe, it sounds like agony, but she insists it's less painful than a bikini wax.

And besides that, how did she know?

Well, obviously gets bikini waxes or did why though She's celibate

Well, doesn't mean she doesn't want have a bikini wax and be celibate.

Yeah.

She says it's an easy way of knowing you're doing penance.

She says if I go swimming I don't wanna leave a mark from where it has been.

So she wears it quite high up on the thigh.

These people are crazy, Joe.

She finds the fasting more difficult than the wearing of the chain.

Hmm.

Finally at the end it says quote, my parents hated me joining Opus Day.

I think they, they'd have been happier if I ran away and joined the gypsies.

They thought I was joining a cult.

They were terrified.

Absolutely Terrifi.

I would agree with her parents.

Yes.

If your daughter said, I'm gonna run off with the gypsies, or I'm gonna run off

with the , you'd, which one do you prefer?

You'd, you'd say the gypsies in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?

Yeah.

But seems a very weird quote.

Anyway, very racist quote.

Join the circus.

I'd be fine with that.

Yeah.

Anyway, that's overstay women of the world.

It doesn't get any better in Florida.

So actually just on the chat we've got Alison says the petition is

by a doctor that you'll be signing when you get to the link and Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm, I think it was a doctor working in the health system that was shocked.

Probably just so pissed off by it.

And, hello Bronn Brahman says, sack cloth shirt sounds like something

out of the devil's playground.

If you've ever seen that film, that was what we were talking about earlier.

Yeah.

Writer not seen the film, but, okay.

Florida.

Joe, did you send me this one?

You've sent me a few.

So the Florida High School Athletics Association said student athletes

should be required to give detailed information about their periods

when they register to play.

The F H S A A announced in October, it was changing its annual physical form for

student athletes to a digital version.

And this form included optional but detailed questions about students

menstruation cycles, including when they got their first period, when

they had their most recent, how many weeks passed between periods.

And previously there was only one page of the paper.

, which a pediatrician would sign off to say a student was allowed to play.

Now this whole electronic form will be submitted to a school and despite

widespread public outcry, even in Florida, Joe, there would be outcry about this.

The fh s a a panel decided on Tuesday to stand by the change, but

also recommended that the menstrual history questions be made mandatory.

Yeah, it's important.

Gotta know when the, when the breeders are breeding.

Yeah.

Well, in the article it says it's unclear why a school needs to know

all that information under his eye.

Mm.

I don't see why school districts need that type of access to information.

Said this.

Pediatric endocrin.

. Now, Joe, since the fall of Roe v Wade, people have been hypervigilant about

third parties tracking menstrual data.

Yeah.

A lot of women with menstrual tracking apps have deleted them.

Yes.

Because if you've got an app that tracks your menstrual cycle, you

fall pregnant, accidentally decide to head interstate to get a mm-hmm.

a termination and somebody reports you and the police confiscate, confiscate

your phone, look at the app data, find out in fact you were pregnant,

and or use it as proof that you were pregnant and charge you with a breach

of the law for terminating a pregnancy.

So, so now people are thinking, well, if I fill in this form and it goes to a

school and it's a private organization, it could be subject to some sort of

subpoena subpoena, and that information could end up in a court somewhere.

I think it's more aimed forbidding transgender girls

from playing on sports teams.

Could be, could be.

I would, I would suggest that that's much more along the lines.

Hmm.

For the moment.

For the moment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure.

Look time, any information is tracked police and not just police.

It will end up getting subpoenaed for a court case.

Yes.

There was, yeah.

Tollway, toll roadways in America are getting subpoenaed for travel information

to prove travel of a spouse for a divorce case, proving that he went to see his

mistress on this toll road at this time.

Oh, oh really?

Yeah.

Ah, okay.

They don't have no fault divorce over there by the sounds of it.

Yeah.

And, you know, we've seen in Queensland with the go-karts mm-hmm.

, if you see the number of police requests per year, and it's not

serious cases, it's not, this person might have been involved in a murder.

This is whatever.

There, there was something like 10,000 requests a year.

It's a ridiculous number.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Any, anytime that your data is tracked it will end up getting mis misused.

Mm-hmm.

Anyway.

Young ladies in Florida have every reason to be concerned.

Yes.

And about what's gonna happen there because Florida, after all, has

banned abortion after 15 weeks.

It's also forbidden transgender girls from playing on girls sports and has banned

state residents from using Medicaid to pay for gender affirming treatments.

. So it was also the don't say gay bill, wasn't there, Florida, was it?

Yeah.

Okay.

I can't keep track of everything in there.

So, well it's where Donald Trump resides and feels comfortable.

So it seems to be the heartland of the Republican.

The current Republican leadership, DeSantis, the Florida government

is probably gonna be the next Republican presidential candidate.

It's been a swing state though, cuz George Bush, the son mm-hmm.

, almost lost Florida in 2000 and it was Jeb Bush who won.

Okay.

Declared it was Fox, I think declared it and after they declared it,

they just went, oh, well fuck it.

We're giving up and Right.

Bush was the president.

This was Al Gore conceded.

Yes.

And then as the votes numbers came in, he said, had to ring up and say, actually

I withdraw my concession, I think.

And then it went all the way to the high court.

Mm-hmm.

. Yeah.

Anyway, I think it's turned even more red since then.

Yeah.

I mean, it was always the retirement state.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You moved down to get away from the harsh windows.

Yeah.

Crazy thing about American politics, the Republicans being their red color as well.

Yeah.

It's always weird.

Yeah.

They've always gotta do things differently.

Backwards you mean?

Yes.

But Joe, as I as I wander around life, Joe and I come across people.

I reckon there's a type that I'm finding it's amalgamation of people I know, but

if you're having discussions with people, and invariably I find that if they kick

off a topic of concern about wokeness or trans people, if they kick that off

as a topic out of the blue, it just, if somebody's prepared to do that, I reckon

I can list a number of other possible beliefs they hold and beliefs that they

hold in common with that one belief.

Mm-hmm.

, not all of 'em, but a fair number of 'em.

And so what media They absorb . Indeed.

That's that too.

Yes.

So if they express an anti-white sentiment, they sort of volunteer.

I would say nearly always.

They're a conservative voter.

Mm-hmm.

, I would say they have a very much an anti-government view of life.

Preferring small government, get outta my way, you know, where tax too high and

there's too much red tape and government regulation, government's just small enough

to fit through your bedroom keyhole.

That's it.

Throw in their sort of anti lockdown, anti-trans bit of

climate change skepticism.

Not necessarily outright denial, but you know, it's all a bit overstated and it's

all a bit overworked and an exaggeration.

And can we use carbon capture and storage instead?

Yep.

Just carry on burdening this coal because you know, that clean

coal is just around the corner.

Yeah.

Alright.

Nuclear.

Yeah, actually, actually if I was in Europe, I'd probably be

pro-nuclear just for Australia.

I'm definitely not nuclear.

Get it right?

Yes.

Nu nuclear.

Yes.

Would they say nuclear, would they or did ISIS say it?

No, no, no, no.

I just generally the sort of people who are pro nu nuclear say nuclear.

Oh.

Oh, okay.

Probably renewable energy skepticism.

Of course anti-China, pro-America, possibly pro

cryptocurrency and anti the voice.

You know, a lot of things will be ticked off.

If I just hear sort of an anti wake sentiment, and I run this as an experiment

now, dear listener, where I just sort of throw these out there and just see where

people are positioned on these topics.

Run your own experiment and tell me how it goes.

so, Because Joe, what you are ending up with, actually, before

I go on no, I won't do that.

This's just gonna for you.

There's a clip.

It's, it's okay.

I think I've played it before, but what what I'm terming this sort of person

would be a boomer, libertarian, be a summary, sort of catchall phrase for the

sort of person who comes to mind that I, it's, it's the circles you mingle in.

Yes.

Well, I'm on the cusp, Joe.

I was born in 1964, depending on what year.

Mm-hmm.

. What subscribe you look at.

I could be a boomer or I could be just off, but mm-hmm.

given my father was in the war and I was, you know, probably, you know, the

boomers were traditionally children born as the soldiers returned.

Returned soldiers.

Yes.

Yes.

The booming population.

And my dad was a returned soldier.

, I probably am a boomer.

Mm-hmm.

, in that sense.

But that doesn't allow, that means I can still criticize.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Alright.

So yeah, a boomer, libertarian Joe, it's, and all of those things that I just listed

as features kind of all can circle back to individual freedom as a core belief

concept, ideology, if you like, of, of being very pro individual freedom.

So a boomer libertarian.

Here's my, this is all a theory, dear listener.

I love theories as you know.

So, a boomer libertarian would think that the foundation of successful

western liberal democracies is based on freedom and So when they look

at issues, they look at it through the prism of individual freedom.

So, just getting back to their thinking on the foundations.

So they would say that the enlightenment was spawned by individual freedom.

Free rational men used the scientific method to overturn superstitious thinking

and enable a secular morality where individuals are free to pursue their own

interests and lead lifestyles of choice, not the predetermined and superstitiously

constrained lives of previous eras, and I don't have a lot to disagree with there.

That is a feature of the enlightenment, was the abandonment of superstition.

And if you like, a new ability, an awareness of figuring things out.

Who's the ability to challenge dogma?

. Yeah.

So I don't disagree that that was a feature of the enlightenment

and that yeah, individual freedom, definitely a good thing in that respect

and an important thing to happen.

But I think a Liber Tower Libertarian will also think the same.

Freedom has enabled rational self-interested individuals to compete and

innovate in a competitive market economy.

And it is this freedom which the West has encouraged, which has led

to the economic success of the West.

So I think a boomer libertarian thinks individual freedom was

a, a major factor in the sort of economic success of the West.

And I've got a few comments to make about that because well, it might've been

freedom for the white people, , there's a lot of, it came at the expense of

the freedom of a lot of brown people.

For starters.

Well, not just brown people, I mean Yeah.

Or any white people, Irish people and whatever.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, I mean the, the poor in any nation indeed.

In indeed, yeah.

All, all this.

Oh yeah.

It's the white, it's, it's not, it was the 1% of the whites

who did very nicely out of it.

Yes, yes.

There's a lot of people who did not enjoy a lot of freedom in that whole Exactly.

Experience.

Yeah.

So for the boomer, libertarian individual freedom is the basis

of our morality and our economy.

And they would think that successful countries are invariably democracies free,

voters of elected leaders who protect individual freedom and run governments

that stay out of people's lives.

That's the way it should be.

But on the other hand dysfunctional countries are invariably run

by dictators or communists.

And if they claim to be democracies, then their elections are sham.

Elections and dysfunctional economies have not developed because individuals

have not been allowed the freedom to drive the economy forward.

Also, their oppressed people are unhappy because they crave the

freedom to vote like westerners, to be socially liberated like Westerners

and to run businesses like Westerners.

And if they don't crave these things, that's because they're

victims of tyrannical propaganda.

This is an all-encompassing generalization of my Beamer Libertarian.

I'll go on.

So the Boomer libertarian judges every moral quandary with a set

of scales that weighs only the impact on individual freedom.

The government bad, obviously tax.

Bad, obviously defense spending good.

It will protect us from foreigners who wanna take away our freedom

juvenile crime, lock 'em up, Joe, to protect the freedom to own property.

Mandatory lockdowns bad, mandatory mass bad.

It's all very anti-free.

Mandatory vaccinations.

Anti-free covid skepticism is part of this, partly based on motivated reasoning

to justify opposition to mandatory laws.

So that's part of Covid skepticism, but mixed in with that is the

individual's right to do your own research and have your own.

The freedom that I have.

Your own scientific theory, Joe, if you want one, and not be duped

by the prevailing orthodox view.

Well, you know, they laughed at Galilea.

Yes.

Renewable energy and restrictions on fossil fuels.

Fuels they would say bad, obviously will result in less freedom.

Can't drive my gas guzzling car and woke.

Also they don't like that because that restricts the freedom of the

individual to say whatever they like.

China, that's bad because the Chinese people are probably fine, but their

leaders are evil and they just wanna invade and take our freedom.

The Chinese would rise up and revolt if they could, anyone not wanting to revolt.

The freedom is a victim of propaganda and the Chinese

government obviously is itching to invade and take away our freedom.

So there bad Cardinal Pearl Joe to be defended.

He, he was found not guilty by the high court, wasn't he?

Yes.

A, a boomer libertarian would be inclined to defend Cardinal Powell

as much as is socially acceptable.

The system tried to jail him on old uncorroborated testimony.

PE may be unlikeable, but Freedom Apostles see this as an opportunity to emphasize

the principle of protecting individual freedom from unjust court proceedings.

I have seen that in online commentary.

The Libertarian Berma Joe is particularly resentful of young female leaders.

Jacinda Ratto, Thunberg.

No, no, no.

You made a typo there.

Great.

Thunberg.

You've got , have I?

Yes.

Oh, I'll fix that, Joe.

But that's the other thing.

If I'm just testing where people stand on issues, you know, when I

was talking before about just feeling the waters with people and, and.

if they say something that's a little bit anti woke, I can pick what I think are

gonna be the, all these characteristics.

The other one would be, what do you reckon?

I have Greta Thunberg . And if you get a strong anti Greta Thunberg,

you'll pick up a lot of those features that I've just mentioned.

All part and parcel.

Well, it's the jci A and it's like I might have problems

with one or two things of hers.

Yes.

Like wearing the hijab, hijab to the funeral, which I get the,

the political expediency or Yeah.

Compassion.

Yeah.

But, but I think you were not being yeah.

You weren't trying solidarity to those people who are

forced into that oppression.

Yes.

You got issues with her.

She's not a saint.

No, absolutely.

Yeah.

But, but there's a particular thing I think where people it, and it's

driven by the Murdoch press Yeah.

Where they really, really dislike young women telling old men what to do, . Yeah.

You think that's it is, and I, I spoke to someone the other day and they were

saying, oh yeah, everyone's moving out of Victoria up to Queensland because

they, they, they were moving prior to dictating Dan getting back in cuz they

couldn't face another term of his.

Right.

Yes.

And, and yeah, I don't think they were moving because of the political regime.

Mm-hmm.

And in fact, from what I've seen, it was, it's new South Wales people moving

up to Queensland, not Victorians.

Mm-hmm.

So, so this real issue they have with young female Jacinda, Dern,

Andre Thunberg, eh, I can't really.

Link back to this whole Freedom theory I've got, but it's just part of it.

I, I don't really have a freedom link to it.

I've only just got a Murdoch link to it where they are.

Yeah.

Well I was just thinking about . Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Which of course the, the courier fail invariably bags are out.

Yeah.

But I don't see much nationally about her.

No, no.

I'm gonna get onto Jacinda.

We're gonna do a fair bit on Jacinda er and the response to her resignation.

So that's coming up.

But they are happy to have a youngish female leader in Jacinta Nappy Jimmer

price, giving her opinion about the voice.

Obviously, yes, it's a topic that they agree with her on, I guess.

They're happy to have one around who they agree with, but they just are

particularly nasty to an opposition figure that is young and female

telling old white men what to do.

I think so, and I can't really link it to freedom, but it just, it's one of

the sort of other common features that you see mixed in with this whole thing.

So, so that's the boomer libertarian, that's what they think and why they think.

And I would say a couple of things is, was the foundation

of successful western liberal democracies really based on freedom.

And I would say that the freedom of thought, which allowed people to discard

superstition was obviously a good thing.

But there's a big difference between freedom of thought and freedom of action.

Freedom of action involves the rights of others and trade offs will apply.

, you can't speed a hundred kilometers an hour in a residential zone.

I, I just think nhs mm-hmm.

has, has a, a brilliant, collective, socialist thing.

Yes.

That was bought in by one of the huge powerhouses of Europe.

Mm-hmm.

And although it's been stripped or shadow of its former elf Yep.

Was just one of those things where the collective good was

deemed to be far more important.

Mm-hmm.

The London Olympics in the either opening or closing ceremony, one of them

heavily featured dances and whatever, pushing hospital beds around mm-hmm.

and patients as a homage to the national health system.

That's how important and how proud the Brits were at.

Absolutely.

The system that it was It was part of the ceremony for the Olympic Games.

So, so, so what the Beamer Libertarian has done has taken the importance of the

freedom of thought from the enlightenment, but, but hasn't and has wanted to apply

it to a freedom of action in a, without a sense of social responsibility and a sense

of give and take in terms of actions that people do for a successful civilization.

So yes, you're free to think whatever you like, but when it comes

to doing stuff, there are others.

People's rights get involved then.

And a libertarian boomer is just freedom, freedom, freedom enlightenment.

And I would say, well, you can have all the freedom of thought you like.

But when it comes to freedom of action there's other people to consider.

So the other thing is that the connection between individual freedom

and economic prosperity is not as strong as libertarian boomers would

think, and much economic progress was at the expense of brown people's

freedom or working class white people.

Mm-hmm.

, much technological progress was the result of government funded collective research.

Absolutely.

The Soviets, even in the us Yeah.

Yes.

So the Soviets were the first to put somebody into orbit.

And even in the us for those of you who have, if you're only new

to this podcast, you may never have heard of Mariana Mascato.

She wrote a book.

She's written various books.

The entrepreneurial state is one of them.

She's really one of the leading economic thinkers in the world.

They're, they're on my to read list.

Mm-hmm.

She's up there with Jannis Furk and and Michael Hudson.

So she wrote a book and I'll just divert briefly cuz this is a really

important argument for people who've never heard it before and who think

that it was private enterprise.

Oh.

It is a private enterprise that is responsible for the wonderful, innovative

gadgets that we have in the world.

Mm-hmm.

and governments have to get outta the way.

And in her book, she made a list of 12 key technologies that make smartphones work.

One tiny microprocesses, two memory chips, three solar state hard

drives, four liquid crystal displays, five lithium based batteries.

That's the hardware.

Six, fast furrier transform algorithms.

Number seven, the internet.

Number eight, HTTP and html nine cellular networks.

10, global positioning system or gps.

Number 11, the touchscreen.

And number 12, Siri voice activated artificial intelligence.

All of these are technologies important in what makes an iPhone or any smartphone.

And she assembled this list and reviewed their history

and found something striking.

And the foundational figure in the development of the iPhone wasn't

Steven Jobs, it was Uncle Sam.

Every single one of the 12 key technologies was supported in

significant ways by governments.

Often the American government.

Well, yeah, I mean, so wifi is regularly claimed to have

been invented by, . CS R R a.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yep.

And of course he, Lamar was involved in frequency hopping radios.

Okay.

She was one of the names on the patent.

He, Lamar ever heard that name from actress?

Yes.

Second War, fairly short.

It was, it was a female actress of 1940s era and she was also a physicist

and her name is on the patent for frequency hopping radios, which is

what modern GSM and whatever else use.

There you go.

Yeah.

Did she do that working for the government or she did that in private enterprise?

Not sure.

I think it was part of the war effort.

Okay.

It would've been so at least it would've been funded by the government.

Yes.

It would've been part of the defense department of some sort.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep.

So, look, the boomer, libertarian forgets that ultimately we're a social species.

And a cooperative group will win over a group of selfish individuals.

So, yeah, so that's the boomer libertarian theory that I'm working on.

Think of when you're approaching somebody new in a dinner party situation, not

on a boat where you're trapped and you can't get off up to 24 hours.

Try to try the if you hear a sniff of anti woke, just explore some of

these topics and, and just throw Greta Thunberg out there and see how people

react to that and see how it goes.

Right.

Just enterprise.

So Joe, I'm gonna have problems as we get to the arguments about the voice.

Mm.

Because, because my, I'm opposed to it, but my reasoning is quite different to.

The, the people you hear about, like just into price in terms of the reasoning.

Before we'll get onto her reasoning, there's a clip of her talking

about she was at the Institute of Public Affairs giving a speech.

And now I skipped that other one.

Let me just find this video and bring this up because this is the kind of

thinking that we get from so, you know, some of the things she says, she obviously

not always wrong about everything.

Some of the things she says are, I think quite right.

But anyway, just for a bit of fun have a listen to Jasinta Nappi, Jim Price.

Here we go.

And of course, Lachlan Murdoch, whose family have provided a beacon

of light in a sea of woke darkness via the necessary media platforms.

That delivered genuine common sense and fact driven news

reporting for our benefit.

What, what planet was.

She said it all with a straight face.

That's the impressive thing that, that, that was

honestly.

And where do you go to from there?

Where do you go to from there?

She's gone down.

In your estimation, has she, has, has she not gone down in every, you know, no

matter how low she was in your estimation, dear listener she had to have dropped.

I think that's right.

Bronwyn Bronwyn's given us the vomit emoji.

What, what Crikey, that's just, ugh.

Anyway.

So beacon of light in a sea of woke darkness via the necessary

media platforms that deliver genuine common sense, fact-driven

news reporting for our benefit.

Oh, thank you Lockman.

. Your idea.

You know, the ABC is not much better.

Joe.

This guy Bruce Hague, who I've often quoted on the, from the John Menard

blog, former diplomat, straight shooter, like interesting guy, well qualified.

He was gonna be on the drum with a ABC on a panel.

And because of lobbying by Jerard Henderson of the I IPA and a

compliant producer at the drum, who he describes as of less than average

ability, he was booted from the drum and replaced with Greg Sheridan.

Graham had, as if we haven't all heard Greg Sheridan saying the same five

things completely wrong for the last 15 years, and he just keeps getting

trotted out onto these ABC panels.

He must just laugh to himself that they keep inviting him onto their panels

to, or possibly he's clueless to not realize he's there because Yeah, the

ABC is scared of being accused of bias.

Yeah, he was a big fan of Jim Mullan who passed away.

Jim Mullan, former, I know the name soldier.

Former senator and dear listener, I have a very close, very good friend who has

worked very closely with Jim Mullen.

In the military, and I can assure you, Jim Mullan was not a smart

man and he was as thick as two planks, did not understand anything.

He was not fluent in Indonesian, as is claimed in the papers.

He could barely order a meal at a restaurant.

And in military, high level military meetings where they were doing sort of

war gaming against the Americans some, some people of equal rank to him just

tore strips off him as being so stupid.

He didn't know what he was doing.

He would've been despised by Angus Houston.

He was not the military marvel that Greg Sheridan wouldn't want you to believe.

So yeah, not that you wanna speak Ill of the dead, but can speak counseling,

living cuz they can see you for Indeed.

Indeed.

So you only get the chance when they're dead.

Exactly.

And I've waited a suitable time.

So yeah, lots of good stories from my friend, some of which

I can't go into, but yeah.

And, and you know, he was in the right place at the right time in terms of

convincing the Indonesian military to get out and let Australia help the East team.

But anyone could have done it.

The.

The military were not hanging around.

They knew Australia would kick their butt if they needed to.

Mm-hmm.

. And so it wasn't a great piece of statesmanship.

We're just lucky Mullan didn't muck it up, is probably how to think of it.

So, ah, there we go.

That's a bit of a bagging of Jim Mullan, but provides some right.

Joe Don.

Yeah, just back to Jinta Nappi Prize and the voice before we get onto Jacinda er.

And actually Roman says, why do we not wanna speak Ill of the

dead, even if they deserve it?

This came up in relation to pill also.

That's true.

And well read between the lines.

Brahman, I obviously did wanna speak ill of the dead and I put on

a facade of politeness, but I was itching to say it wasn't I, anyway.

And that's for P fuck Pal.

Yeah.

. The voice just before we move off that topic altogether, you know, you see online

where people have pushed back against the prevailing orthodox view of being Provo.

Well, in the sort of leftish circles that I'm observing and they're getting

attacked as a racist pretty quickly.

And there was a clip, which I, an old clip, I've just got a little part of

it, which was talking about Brexit and also talking about Donald Trump and

how the Basia does the deplorables.

Yes.

And how the left just calling people who disagree.

You disagree with racist isn't going to help.

No, because all you get is people who go, well, I've already been called a racist.

I might as well go the whole hog.

Indeed.

So, so this is a bit from a previous clip, but it's worth

for showing that sort of idea.

Here we go.

I mean, first of all, Brexit, what the fuck happened there?

Well, the left employed a cunning two prong strategy by one

calling every Lee voter a racist.

And two failing to put forward a positive case for remain right

Weird hound not engaging 17 million Brits and slacking them off instead.

Didn't win them over, but at least yelling racist online, made us

feel good about ourselves and had no bad long-lasting side effects.

The UK has voted to leave the European Union.

Ah, shit.

Well don't worry.

After Brexit, we learned our lesson and then the US election came along.

We thought, Nash, let's just do that again.

You could.

Half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.

Not surprisingly, the left campaign of vote for us, your Peters of

shit didn't pan out so well.

Ah, I don't know what I said.

Ah, but don't worry.

It's not just the big battles.

The left are totally useless on a small scale as well.

This is largely thanks to the foul brick of nightmares.

Yeah.

Vote for the voice.

You useless pieces of shit.

I think, I think that's unfortunately part of what will

happen in the upcoming debate.

So, yes, Brahman a rhetorical question.

So, so yeah, Joe's back vote for us, you useless pieces of shit is, is

possibly the, or vote for the voice.

You useless racist pieces of shit is possibly one tactic that's gonna be

deployed and likely to be unsuccessful.

So, We'll see how that all pans out.

And then they'll be shocked that they've lost the vote.

Yes.

And blame it on.

Yeah.

They'll sit and just blame it on racist.

Yeah.

So right.

Jacinda decided to pull up stumps early instead of hanging

around for 20 or 30 years.

Site I've had enough said, essentially she'd run out of gas and energy to

do the job and wanted to move on.

Mm-hmm.

Completely understandable.

Ah, in that position, you could only keep at that pace for so long and

and she got her fair share of death threats and, and nasty comments that

she would have to deal with as well.

So, that sort of things would not have been helpful.

But Tony Martin.

Tweeted and he showed a two headlines or, or two sort of spreads

from the Australian newspaper.

So, one of which was talking about c saying empty end for the saint of the left

queen of woke leaves chaos in her wake.

That was their headlines of Jacinda.

Meanwhile, the headline on George Pell, God's Strong Man,

this is the, this is the same newspaper Jacinda that Jin Nappi

Dipper Price was, was praising for its even-handed approach to facts and

the absolutely scathing of Jacinda er.

I was gonna say strangely, so supportive of George Pell, but

it's, it's not strange, is it?

Unfortunately.

So completely different approaches.

Tony Cock, who was a former News Corp journalist, said, news Corp.

Drones lining up to slag off at Jacinda a one of the world's great leaders.

They dislike this wonderful woman because she would never allow

disgusting news Corp vomit posing his newspapers into New Zealand.

Look forward to us, UK, and Australia, following her great lead.

There's no evidence for that.

Like there is nothing actually stopping News Corp from buying newspapers

or running media in New Zealand.

They just don't for some reason.

So that's not quite true.

On Sky News, a quote from Douglas Murray.

Who said New Zealand's outgoing Prime Minister Jacinda has a

phoniness and a fakeness about her says Arthur, Douglass, Murray Joe.

I think you could say negative things about Jacinda, but phoniness and fakeness.

I think you, there's nothing phony or fake about her in the, I think I thought

she's, she was a good leader for a country and, and even if you say she was

bad and a whole range of economic Yeah.

Criteria, which we will get into to say she was phony or

fake is completely off the mark.

Like it's nonsense.

But that's Douglas Murray for you.

It's just a prick.

And for those of you who've got a long memory from episode 349, , I at that

time saw the rationalists, did a piece on Douglas Murray and waxing lyrical

about what a wonderful aite man he was.

And it was just a pleasure to listen to him.

And I was sort of countering that saying he's just a prick who's

speaking nonsense most of the time.

And and he's just a a partisan for conservative talking points whose

straw man's left wing views and tries to present the conservative viewers

as the common sense middle path.

And he gets away with it because of a lovely posh etonian accent.

And so, so yeah, that was an article on the rationalist praising Douglas Murray.

And I like to think I've pegged.

Douglas Murray correctly as a conservative prick.

And that article where he accuses Jin of fakeness and fas added to the evidence

list talking of libertarian beers.

London just says, good evening.

Hello Landon.

Everyone's there, Shane.

Everyone's there.

So good on you.

Yeah, and Mike Carlton said, amusing, isn't it?

All the hacks, scribblers babblers, now furiously bagging Jacinda a

are the same clutch of Halfwits.

He thought smirk Morrison was God's gift to democracy.

So true.

Right.

I learned a few things about some of the policies they had.

Oh, Landon says, don't hate on the posh accent,

In a shock move.

The, a LED New Zealand government at some stage announced the repeal of negative

gearing, which took effect for all future purchases, plus a phase out plan of five

years for existing investment properties.

So I never knew that, Joe.

Did you know that?

No.

But New Zealand see how poor our media is.

Like obviously, dear listener, I'm reading a lot of stuff and I had no idea that

the New Zealand government had repealed negative gearing for future purchases

and had done a phase out over a five years for existing investment properties.

Good for them.

Very interesting.

But they did.

It's weird.

I, I grew up on a very wealthy island you know, flat 20% tax.

and negative gearing was not a thing.

Sorry.

Negative gearing for your primary residence was a thing.

Yep.

But not for rental investment properties.

Yeah.

She m it, she mixed it up with another policy, which didn't help.

James says, can we helicopter her into a safe labor seat here?

Yeah.

Well she, she'd actually have probably more constituents

than she had in New Zealand.

Mm-hmm.

. Yeah.

I think I think of politicians we've imported from New Zealand Barnaby

Joyce, I mean, he was a Kiwi, wasn't he?

Was the only one I could think of.

Yeah.

She'd be an improvement on Barnaby.

I think she'd, one of the sheep would be an improvement on Barnaby.

Come.

She'd just have to remember to renounce her citizenship of New Zealand, take

up Australian citizenship, not hold a dual passport and fallow section 44.

Yeah.

Why would she want to.

So okay, I'm gonna give you two competing views on the success of

what she was doing economically.

One.

The first one is going to be from the Sydney Morning Herald, an opinion piece by

Rashina Campbell, Melbourne City counselor and conservative Melbourne City counselor.

Anti is the first one she wrote.

AUR was only able to form government because she was prepared to form

a coalition with New Zealand.

First by agreeing to make Winston Peters her deputy, the Kiwi equivalent

of Pauline Hansen's one Nation.

I think that's a little bit tough to call Winston Peters, Pauline Hansen.

Anyway On the face of it, there were strange bedfellows until

you remember, ER was promising.

If she were elected, labor would cut immigration by 30,000

people from over 70,000 a year.

So, so saying that agreement meant she would cut immigration, her other

policy offering was a promise to tackle housing crisis because she

said in opposition, too many families are missing out on buying homes.

And in this article, this woman says in New Zealand's 2018 census taken six months

after labor came to power, showed 64.5% home ownership lowest level since 1951.

In the five years she was in office, she was unable to reverse that.

And it's predicted to drop 63.

Six.

So she didn't fix home ownership as the argument.

And one reason this person argues was that there was actually

an increase in migration.

Contrary to the promise, there was more migration under aer and there

was a program called Kiwi Build.

2 billion Scheme meant to deliver a hundred thousand

affordable homes within a decade.

Five years in and only 1300 have been built and data showing that in the

first half of last year, New Zealand was demolishing homes at a faster

rate than it was building them.

So failure of supply, increased demand, turbo cha turbocharged house prices,

there's no land tax or stamp duty.

Therefore it's all ER's fault that there was a major property bubble.

And also, what else have we got there at the same time that

she scrapped negative gearing?

AUR also expanded New Zealand's version of capital gains tax on housing

under which profits on the sale of investment properties are taxed at

the seller's marginal income tax rate.

So in order to avoid paying capital gains tax you had, it used to be,

you had to hold it for five years and she said you had to hold it for 10.

And that trapped investors who might otherwise have sold it in year six

and they thought, oh geez, now I've gotta hold it for 10 years, otherwise

I'll pay a capital gains tax.

So that might have been a mistake.

Anyway, that's the gift of a negative.

Review from that person.

And meanwhile, there's a guy called Alan Austin who does talks about economics

and he gives you the opposite version.

And I'm gonna have to just change screens here so I can just see what I'm doing.

Hold on a second.

Expand that one out and just get, oh, there it is there.

Bear with me one second while I get this PowerPoint up.

Nearly there.

Hold on.

Okay.

Yep.

So this is Alan Austin and he said, Murdoch's whaling old white men's scribes

get Jacinda dead wrong again, as the world is thanking Jacinda profoundly

for her 14 years, a large number of white male scribes have joined in a

frenzy of extraordinary bitter attacks.

He quotes different quotes from Greg Sheridan and James McPherson

and Guy Adams in the Daily Mail where they're railing about Jacinda.

And he says, we now have GDP growth of all 38 wealthy O E C D members and New

Zealand now ranks fourth, the highest ranking since records have been kept.

And there's a chart on the screen showing that for the third quarter,

2022, if you like, GDP as a metric, then New Zealand ranked fourth of

the 38 O E C D member countries.

So, people bagging her, never mentioned that statistic.

And in terms of employment actually I'll just see what this chart comes up.

Next one.

Employment jobless rate has been 3.4% or lower since June, 2021.

And in March, 2022, the rate was 3.2% the lowest since records have been kept.

So that's ranked fifth in the O E C D.

So right at this point in time, New Zealand fourth in terms of O

E C D with GDP growth record in terms of low unemployment, and

actually fifth in the O E C D.

So, and he says that wages have increased satisfactorily

from $30.51 per hour to 37.93.

Current inflation in New Zealand, 7.2% below a peak of 7.3.

This is below the O E C D average of 11.6 and healthy budget

surpluses in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Obviously the pandemic recession caused a deficit of 7.3% and he

gives figures of how that improves.

So, so yeah, GDP growth, really good uni unemployment rate, really good

inflation rate, really good comparatively.

And even in housing approvals Sheridan had written in substance.

Dan was a flop.

She promised the government would build a hundred thousand homes.

It built barely a thousand.

And according to Alan Austin, he looks at stats nz.

And total housing starts have risen in every ER year and

boomed over the last two.

And there's a graph there showing number of new dwellings approved

per year, per thousand residents.

That's a good graph from the ER point of view.

So it's an example of right wing Murdoch Media will say all negative

things about the attorney government.

You can take other figures and paint a completely different

picture if you wish, Joe.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Yep.

And people will manipulate them around as they see fit.

But there's a bunch of arguments there for people who want to argue that

AUR was a hopeless economic manager.

There's a lot of good data there to say, well, possibly not.

Right.

That was Jin de Let me just bring this window back so I can get this thing

over here and see what else we've got.

Jim Mullan, I've already talked about.

Are we going for time?

Eight 15.

Another 10 minutes or so.

Pokes.

Joe, we spoke about the blight of poker machines in New

South Wales a few weeks ago.

Mm-hmm.

came across this tweet just about Australian slang and vernacular in

Australia slot slash fruit machines.

And no one is the pokies, but there are several other slang

expressions to describe them.

The most colorful ones that I've heard are the brick layers laptop, the pensioners,

piano , and the plumbers PlayStation.

Ever heard any of those?

No.

Right.

I mean, the first and the last makes sense.

I'm not so sure about the middle one.

Well, the pensioners piano, I thought that was the best one.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Have you heard the slang for uh, you know, you got a barbecue chicken

from Coles or Woollies, you know what that's called other than the choke No.

Bachelor's handbag.

Ah, yeah.

Like that one.

It's too much for a bachelor to eat on his own.

Yeah.

Well, lunch the next day.

Yeah.

Maybe.

Mm.

Ah, stuff from Caitlin Johnston.

There's another mess.

There's a spade of mass shootings in America again.

Oh, Joe, did you?

Terrible scene with the young black fellow beaten by policemen.

I didn't see it.

I figured it was too gruesome to watch, but I heard that it was gruesome.

Yes.

So, and they have been comments that, yeah, great.

They've kicked the police out, but they only kicked him out cuz they were black.

Yes.

And had they been white, it would've taken him a lot longer

to actually do anything about it.

Quite possibly.

I think the evidence is so compelling.

Even white officers would've been immediately dismissed on this one.

Cuz there's just a group of them holding this guy up as another

guy just lands haymakers on him.

Mm-hmm.

, it's, and they, they shut down the entire police task force

that they were members of.

Yes.

Funny thing is Joe, you call a task force operations scorpion.

Mm-hmm.

And.

and they tend out to be quite violent characters.

Maybe next time you have a group, maybe they call 'em an aggressive operation.

Fluffy Teddy Bears,

that's it.

Mm-hmm.

Operation Community Consultants, operation.

We're here to help operation, but just not Operation Scorpio.

Operation Martin Luther King.

Yes.

Apparently the police chief, female black, responsible for that group had

set up a similar group in a different state, which had also had behavior issues.

So, yeah, terrible things.

I mean, if that sort of stuff had happened in China, they'd just

be all over it with the look at those communists and what they do.

But this is just an everyday occurrence in yellow noise matter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Basically there was another mass shooting.

Caitlin Johnston found all his quotes by people, famous celebrities,

politicians, or whatever, like Pete butter, butter cheek.

Oh, what's his mayor Pete.

Mayor Pete.

What's his, Peter Peter, what is it?

Buji Peter?

No, it's no pronounced different than that.

Okay.

He was a typical one who said, I did not, I did not carry an assault weapon around a

foreign country, so I could come home and see them used to massacre my countryman.

And you know, Caitlin Johnson makes a point whenever there's a mass

shooting with a semi-automatic firearm in the us you get a tsunami

of Democrats falling over themselves to proclaim that those weapons should

only be used to kill foreigners.

And it's true, like all these tweets are essentially like boot, boot jag's.

Comment was, well, I, I had one overseas when I was killing foreigners,

but I don't wanna see them here.

Hakeem Jeffries said Weapons of war should be used to Hunt, weapons of

war, used to Hunt human beings have no place in a civilized society.

There's another one here is Hillary Clinton said Weapons of

war have no place on our streets.

Point being from Caitlin is happy to have those weapons in other

people's streets overseas in a war.

Yeah.

Which you are conducting most of the time.

And one of them was gen.

Generally they're not aimed at civilians.

Well, against the rule, it's against the rules of war.

In, in theory, if you were signed up to the Geneva Convention, which

of course the Americans aren't.

Yes.

Or the u un Court of Human Rights or whatever it is.

Yeah.

International.

It's the I cj, isn't it?

There's so many things that they're not signed up to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I mean, the, the war for crimes would be the, I cj Yeah.

I dunno, I dunno.

They in acronyms, I dunno.

Ba basically the Americans have said they won't ho hand

over soldiers to a war crime.

Str or Ah, okay.

Yep.

Yep.

Because they're beyond that.

, this one, this George Taai, he's the guy, ex Star Trek.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sulu, yes.

Quite a presence on social media.

Yes.

Like made a career on Twitter essentially.

and his response to the shooting was crazy thought.

But those 20 million AR fifteens now in this country could

Sure arm a lot of Ukrainians.

Yes, yes.

This is the thing.

Well, you don't want 'em here, but we obviously want 'em overseas.

Can the other people we're just not here.

I, I think they've got more than enough rifles though.

Yeah.

I think Ukrainians want more.

Yeah.

Aircraft and tanks and bigger, bigger stuff.

Yeah.

Bigger boom booms.

Yeah.

Alright.

We're close enough to 8 57 Joe, so I'm gonna call it on that one.

Thanks everyone in the chat room.

I see Tom, the warehouse guy made it at the end there.

So good on you Tom.

Now is everybody reading the Carbon Club, Joe?

No.

To start, not yet.

Right.

I've still got my previous book to finish off and I haven't got around to that, so.

Oh, okay.

So you all have to read the Carbon Club cause we'll be doing book club at the

end of February with that one, with Paul.

I've about a hundred pages into what it's a damning indictment of John Howard so far

and, and just shock horror and, and just the clubby atmosphere of these operatives.

Yeah, I, James is saying he finished the audio book over the weekend.

I looked unfortunately it's in the Brisbane City Library, but it's not

in Morton Bay and I'm in Morton Bay.

Right.

Cuz I looked on whatever the, the library lending overdrive is the library

ebook and audiobook lending service.

Okay.

So if you are a member of Brisbane City, and if you're not.

In Morton Bay, check out whatever your local library is.

They may have an a copy available for you to listen to.

Mm-hmm.

For free.

Mm-hmm.

Very good.

So that's your homework.

Dear listener.

Get a version of that somehow and talk to you next week.

Right?

For now, honey, it's a good night from him.