Laura and Xhafer revisit everyone's favorite other Battlestar. Laura learns some uncomfortable facts about Tobey Maguire. Xhafer explains the South of space. This episode covers the extended cut of Battlestar Galactica: Razor.

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Hello, And welcome to, who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends who are working

their way through Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Jair

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Laura: I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we've got the,

the Pegasus movie.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: was some,

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Laura: about Pegasus.

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Xhafer: the one about Pegasus.

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Sometimes it's a two-parter.

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Sometimes it's a movie depending

on what cut you're watching.

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we watched the extended, at least I

watched the extended two-parter bit.

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I don't know if you wa

with all the extra stuff,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: the director's cut version.

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I assume you watched the same.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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We should probably should have figured

that out before we started recording.

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Um, to be fair, the, the, the shortened,

the short movie version, the like

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90 minute movie version of this is

actually I think, kind of hard to find.

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They, they did it for like syndication

stuff, where they cut this and

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then a bunch of other episodes

in chunks into other two parters

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into movies for a minute, for

like little, like 90 minute guys.

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: And uh, I, I, we're not

watching any of those, so we're

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watching the fulls whenever we can.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well it's a movie, it's movie length.

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So we usually don't do much cold opens.

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We, we try to get into it here.

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Laura: There's a lot

of stuff to talk about.

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Xhafer: There's a lot

of stuff to talk about.

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And we open with Apollo and Starbucks.

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They're flying around and they get

found by two other Viper pilots, one

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of which they're like, Hey, I know

you, but you were with the ninth fleet.

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That's you're all dead.

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What the hell happened there?

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: and they're all

like, you're coming with us

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to the battle star, Pegasus.

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Laura: you, yeah.

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This theme slaps though.

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I love the theme.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Yes.

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The theme slaps for sure.

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all the rotoscoping, I

love the rotoscoping.

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we cut back to the flotilla

here and we get some exposition.

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They are running out of fuel

and also they believe they've

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encountered a civilian cy population.

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Laura: Holy

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Xhafer: you catch that, right?

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Laura: I know.

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I was like, civilian silence.

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What

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: that when you are all robots,

how, how do you decide you are a military

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robot and you are not a military robot?

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Xhafer: I think most of them

just get built that way.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Right?

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Xhafer: I mean, there's mining robots.

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Yeah.

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You're

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: a mining robot, you're a

commerce robot, you're a logistics robot.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: These things need

to get handled, you know?

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Laura: Well, the civilian

robots are a silent city.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That looks a lot like Los Angeles.

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Laura: True.

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True.

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I'm also thinking like when you

are robots, why do you need city?

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Xhafer: I mean.

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This is like not part of the 12 colonies.

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We're far out from the

colonies at this point.

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You know,

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: um, God, what's,

what's the name of Gare?

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Laura: Gare,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They keep calling this place Gare.

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Laura: huh?

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Okay.

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Xhafer: I mean, look, this show's never

been subtle with the symbolism, right?

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Or I don't even wanna say the symbolism,

I should say the appropriation.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I mean there's a character

named Satan, for fuck's sake.

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Laura: Oh, yes.

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That I did not know until

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: watching this.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We'll get to that.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Things are rough

in the fleet though.

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They have to come to a

full stop to conserve fuel.

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Laura: Yikes.

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Xhafer: It seems like a bad time for.

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Laura: doesn't seem like a good idea.

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Xhafer: The Galactica and the

numbered 220 ships in the Flotilla.

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They say that a lot.

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This episode.

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They say a lot of things

a lot in these episodes.

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Laura: some of my favorite

are the made up words.

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Xhafer: there's some made up words

that they just throw around like crazy.

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And also they say warriors a lot.

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Laura: They do.

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I've

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: don't like the word warriors Ears.

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Xhafer: Apollo and Starbuck get taken to

Commander Kane, who is on an offensive

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with no support vessels, raiding the

CYS for supplies to continue fighting,

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and we get to meet Kane, played by

Lloyd Bridges, Jeff and Bo's dad.

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What a treat.

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Laura: Yeah, he definitely

has bridge's face.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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This is definitely a bridges.

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Laura: they all have a look

and uh, I, I don't know.

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I couldn't decide.

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I was like, how do I feel about this man?

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Like, I don't know.

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I feel like this show made some

choices that were not complicated.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, we'll get to it when he's relieved

of command in like an hour and something.

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The show had the option to do

something interesting and chose not to

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: as the show is want to do.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is, this is an interesting show.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: acknowledge the joke at

any point, or do we just keep

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Xhafer: I feel like after we drop

Lloyd Bridges and not Row Larin it's

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pretty obvious what's happening here.

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We watched the original Battlestar

Galactica two-parter, the living legend.

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April Fools.

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this is the first OG Battlestar

Galactica I've ever watched.

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Laura: Same.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I wanted to call it out

earlier, but we were doing the bit.

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I love that it does the same thing

where it shows bits of the episode.

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In the beginning

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I had no idea.

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I thought it was a last time on

thing because I had no idea what

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it was doing, and I was like,

oh, I'm watching the wrong one.

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And then it wasn't until I like

got past the title sequence and saw

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the name of the episode that I was

like, I am watching the right one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I thought that was a fun

little bit of business.

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I like it when, if we're gonna reboot

something, sometimes we take little

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things the original that like this is

kind of a nothing stylistic choice.

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Like there's not a lot of stakes in

it, but we like rebooted that into it.

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That's fun.

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Xhafer: I don't know of

another TV show that did this.

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Like, it, it, it could have been a

thing in from a time period and I

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just haven't watched anything from

that time period besides this now.

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And maybe Batman, like,

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Laura: I feel like maybe we

got some of that in Airwolf.

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Obviously, we didn't watch

a ton of airwolf over on

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: but I feel like there were

some shots of what was gonna happen

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: in the beginning,

but I could be just, I don't

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know, confabulating something.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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What fun?

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Laura: So how do we feel about

our Lauren Green Adama as well?

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Xhafer: Y you know, I love it.

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I actually, I really liked this Adama.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I, I could SI could see

where Eddie Olmos was channeling,

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you know, there, there's bits

of stuff that are very similar.

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now obviously we don't

really have a president here.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: so Adama's kind of both.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: He's like not just the

military leader, but he is also

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the main civilian interest.

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and so that as a one fully formed

character is a little bit of a different

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twist too because as we'll find later Kane

does not outrank Adama quite the opposite.

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Laura: this cane is subordinate

to Adama right from the beginning.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: which was fun.

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There was some stuff that played

out differently, and I'm sure

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that was a fun little twist.

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just like Shiva, who

doesn't exist in Reimagined,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Kane's daughter,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: Who's a fighter pilot I actually

found a blog post from Ron Moore.

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From around the time Pegasus was airing,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: was just like, look, we thought

about it and we tried and we, we really

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tried to make Shiva a character and

there was just no way it would work

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the way we had set things to happen

where it was like going to be a story

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that we could make fit in this show.

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Laura: Yeah.

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If you were gonna have a Sheba

character, she needs to be somebody.

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Totally not related to Cain for one

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: mind.

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Like cane that they built.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yes.

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No, I think Lauren Green

is, is very compelling as

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but I'm not super into the

like, gentle, gentle, paternalistic.

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I am Uber father of everything that I

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Xhafer: Oh, oh,

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Laura: from

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: from that.

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And I was like, yeah, I, I really respect

and appreciate Ron Moore's like turning

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the, the whole gentle patriarch on its

head a little bit and making him more

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like, oh, also there's the dad tropes

of, he can't tell you how he feels.

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And, um, there's a mom too.

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There's a mom now, and

she's got her own agency,

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah, I was like, okay.

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I, I don't know if I could watch

too much of the show without

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rolling my eyes at all of

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Xhafer: that's fair.

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Laura: this.

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Xhafer: You know I totally vibe with that.

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I don't know that I wanna

watch any more of this show.

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Laura: mean, I was really tickled by all

the made up words and how, um, at one

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point we refer toons, I think, and it

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Xhafer: Oh,

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Laura: unit of time, but then

we refer toons again later,

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and it's a unit of distance.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And yarns can't, we can't say years.

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Uh, Everything's in yarns

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Laura: uh.

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Xhafer: Like they try so hard.

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Like if you, if we don't say this

made up word 50 times in this episode,

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you won't know that we made up a

word to know that weren't Space.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Microns are also a unit of distance,

but surprise, it's really long.

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Now

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Xhafer: Space.

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Laura: it's a really big

distance instead of the tiny one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Kane tells 'em that they're

gonna go attack the silence tomorrow.

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It's like, oh, you're here.

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Time to end this fucking war.

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Laura: Uh huh Everyone who's like

a pilot in this show, it seems

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like, is dressed like Han Solo.

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Is that your take too?

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Xhafer: there's a lot of that.

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Yeah.

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Um, there's the, like the whole

like leather jacket, tight pants,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: his stole holder thing going on.

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It's very, yeah, for sure.

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I mean, algo was the coolest.

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So

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: he is not past tense.

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Laura: I feel like somebody told Lloyd

Bridges, like, just bring me your best.

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If you were auditioning for Harrison

Ford's role of Han Solo, bring me that

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Pegasus shows up and after a

couple minutes of impossible

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cut, Kain comes aboard.

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He brings Apollo and Starbuck

with them who they were

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casually like, oh, he's dead.

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Uh, There's no way they made

it and we're out of fuel.

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And then casually mentions that

just like, oh, well it's, you

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know, you have your kids as pilots.

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I've got my kid as pilot.

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Like this is normal,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: wild.

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Like this is just a thing.

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When you command a battle star and you've

got kids who are fighter pilots, then you

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get to have your kid be a fighter pilot

on your ship, which is insane to me.

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Laura: Insane.

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I would never want that.

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I would never want that because

like if I'm going into battle

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and gonna die I would love for my

kid to not be around, but okay,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I'm not a gentle patriarch,

so what the fuck do I know?

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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So we get a little bit more here

about the CYS attacking Gare,

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the seat of the Dolphin Empire.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Who the hell are they?

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Xhafer: We don't know.

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I, I checked the Wiki.

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They're not on any other episodes.

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They are not mentioned, but aliens

are totally a thing in this show.

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Laura: Oh, yes, I, I'm pretty

sure we see one, right?

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Xhafer: I think we see, um, fog it

not in Alien, the dog robot thing.

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Laura: No, no, no.

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Not that

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Xhafer: Oh, you're talking

about imperious leader?

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Laura: yeah.

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Imperious leader.

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We never

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Xhafer: So,

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Laura: what or who imperious

leader is, but I thought that

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sure looked like alien coded.

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Xhafer: okay, well, the cylons

in original Battlestar Galactica,

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I did a little bit of research,

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were not built by humans.

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Laura: oh yeah.

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I think we've had this

conversation before.

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They

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Xhafer: The si

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Laura: like built by aliens.

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Xhafer: they were built by a reptilian

race, also called the Cylon, and

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they rebelled and successfully

wiped out their creators because

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they made a like reptilian silo.

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The imperious leader who is

gonna lead all of the robots.

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And he has a programming flaw that causes

him to want to destroy all organic life.

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Laura: Ah,

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Xhafer: And these sirens have been

waging war against all organic

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life for like thousands of years.

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Like they've been at it and I

guess not terribly successful.

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You'd think you could make enough

robots in a couple thousand years

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to, to really spread, but whatever.

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Um,

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Laura: Well, now I'm wondering, okay,

well we'll have to just get there.

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We have to get to some of the

funniest shit that's coming.

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Xhafer: oh yeah, yeah,

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Laura: going.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Adama tells Kane that he's had it easy.

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He's just had like a silo base that

he's been floating around and Adama has.

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Laura: at,

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Xhafer: Yeah, Adam is like, I've had

220 civilian ships and like the entire

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fleet of all base stars chasing me.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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And Adama feels about GA more

like, Hey, let's just hit it

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and take all their oil and go.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And Kane is like, no.

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Somehow destroying base of GARE

will destroy all of the cys.

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And I'm like, what?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: that math coming from, dude?

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Xhafer: I don't get it.

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It doesn't make sense.

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I don't think it's supposed to.

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Um, it's just like crazy.

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Laura: wants to just like

take, the refinery on Gamo.

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He's like, we'll just get rid of

all these silents here, and then

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we just settle down here and it's

like, I don't that will work either.

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Xhafer: I mean, they allude to

like three bass stars being enough

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to wipe out all of humanity.

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And so it's just like, okay.

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So how were there only

like three battle stars?

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Like what happened here?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Was, what was this ninth

fleet that was lost?

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How many battle stars exactly were in it?

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The audacity on this man is what I'm

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: get at with Commander Kane.

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Xhafer: Oh for sure.

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Ane has some slides.

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He wants to show them.

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He is got some hollow photos

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Laura: For some reason he's got

to show them his daughter first.

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Xhafer: well, he's got two photos.

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He's got his daughter and his girlfriend.

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Laura: And, okay, this

is a legitimate question.

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This is not me trying to just

make, trying to just dunk on the

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original Battlestar Galactica.

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If I accidentally dunk on the

original Battlestar Galactica

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Xhafer: Dunk away.

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Laura: side effect I thought that

it was pronounced Cassiopeia,

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Xhafer: It's,

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Laura: but the whole time

they're pronouncing it

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Xhafer: no, they change different

characters, say it different ways.

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Laura: Okay.

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I was very distracted by

the ones who say it Cassia.

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Xhafer: There's Cassiopeia,

um, there, yeah.

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Cassio, Pia.

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And I think there was some third

weird pronunciation at some point too.

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That was kinda like in between the two.

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Laura: I would believe you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But she's very young and pretty

and I guess she was actually like

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a main character on the show.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, she was.

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So this is Starbucks girlfriend.

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She is a former solicitor, which

is, they don't say it out loud, they

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just call it the oldest profession.

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Laura: No, really?

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Xhafer: Prostitution is

legal in old school, BSG.

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Laura: I didn't catch that.

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Xhafer: That's not in the episode.

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Yeah.

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Laura: okay.

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You, you did that in your research.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That was a research point

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Laura: Okay.

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Wow.

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Xhafer: I'm like, who,

who the fuck is this?

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So,

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Laura: Because there's no other career

for a beautiful young woman than to be a.

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Something for men.

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Xhafer: hey, she trains

to be a combat medic.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, in this episode, I just thought

she was a nurse or a doctor

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: based on all of this, but

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: was like the biggest

thing in the old Wiki I found

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that it wanted to talk about.

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Laura: Hey, Glen.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Laura: What, what

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Xhafer: It's embarrassing.

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Laura: Yeah, no, it, he's like looking

for her because disappeared when all

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the, everything happened and the Silences

Attacked Act and uh, then we find out,

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yes, she's a character on the show.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and that's where we meet Boxy Ryan.

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It happened.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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We meet Boxy.

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Boxy and his robot dog Muffet.

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Laura: It seemed like Boxy is

someone's son, is he Apollo's son?

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Xhafer: Oxy is Apollo's adopted son.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: Okay.

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But for some reason he's,

because Dad has to go do

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Xhafer: Missions.

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Yeah.

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Laura: with Cassiopeia.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: way, this is Muffet two.

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Laura: Buffett two.

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Xhafer: Muffet One was a normal dog that

died in the first episode, and then one

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of the characters made boxy a robot dog.

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Laura: What?

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Why?

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Why was that part of the plot?

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Why was that a thing?

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Oh, my.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Starbucks tells Cassiopeia.

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I like, they call her

Cassie a couple times.

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I think I'm just gonna do

that for my own sanity.

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Tells Cassie the news that Cain is

around and she's immediately just

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like, it's complicated and leaves.

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Laura: visibly upset.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And Starbuck has already,

he's already like kind of

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nervous 'cause he is like uh, oh.

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My

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: hero had a picture

of my girlfriends.

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Yeah.

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So she like immediately goes to see Kane.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, she's just immediately goes to him.

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But uh, first Apollo goes to

Starbuck to be all like, Hey, do you

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want to talk about your feelings,

bro, this is, this is a thing.

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You wanna talk about your feelings.

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And Starbuck is all like, no, I don't

wanna talk about my feelings, Apollo.

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And honestly, if everything that they

brought over from the original series

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to the remaster, this was the least

expected, but the most appreciated.

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Laura: Yeah, I was like that.

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I, I see Starbuck in Like

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Pretty good.

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Uh,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: says something about, I don't like

having attachments, and I was like, oh.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: It is kind of nice to see

that attitude in its original form.

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You know, Uck being male and all that, and

then have them like mirror that straight

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onto this female character of Starbucks.

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And it's just like, yeah,

we've come a long way.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I appreciated

the shit out of that.

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I thought that was one of the,

the better touches of things

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to discover in this episode.

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Laura: Uh uh But they have this

conversation about, hey, it's kind

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of weird that Kane's like old, right?

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Apollo I think is talking about

what, like, hey, the elders of

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cobalt often had very young wives.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: And I was like, oh, it's so icky.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It's real icky.

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It's super icky.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's super gross.

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It's like finding out that Toby

McGuire's dating a 19-year-old,

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you're just all like, Ugh, that

can't possibly be what's happening.

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And it is, and then

you're just like, oh God,

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sorry, did I just ruined

Toby McGuire for you?

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Or did my internet cut out?

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Laura: Well, I am having to grapple

with the fact that I don't actually

515

know how old Toby McGuire is.

516

Xhafer: 50.

517

Laura: What?

518

No.

519

Xhafer: He was Spider-Man in 2004.

520

Laura: But I was like, but he

can't, he he is 50, isn't he?

521

Xhafer: Yeah, he is like 50.

522

Laura: Okay.

523

Xhafer: Yeah.

524

Laura: Well yeah.

525

Really makes you think about stuff like.

526

I don't know.

527

Do the elders of COBOL have

like an island they go,

528

Xhafer: Let's get back to Happy News, like

talking about attacking this country for

529

its oil that they're trying to do here.

530

Oh shit.

531

Laura: huh?

532

Huh?

533

of this has happened before

534

all of this will happen again.

535

Xhafer: damnit.

536

Laura: Yeah.

537

I don't know how to rescue this episode.

538

Xhafer: Yeah, it's uh, I guess we

just move on and uh, Apollo is hanging

539

out with the Pegasus Pilots lounge

uh, including Kane's daughter, Sheba.

540

They're discussing the different paths

and tactics to get where they are.

541

I feel like we had this

scene a little bit.

542

Laura: Yeah, sure.

543

Xhafer: Pegasus Kane walks in with

Cassie and Sheba like immediately leaves.

544

Laura: Oh, yes.

545

Shibas very upset I think,

in the conversation.

546

Oh, have we had that conversation yet?

547

Xhafer: Oh, the one with Sheba and Kane?

548

Yes.

549

I think I glossed over it, but

550

Laura: we had, we have a conversation

with Cassie Oia and Kane, and

551

they're talking about Sheba.

552

And Sheba lost her mother I

assume, because she is young now,

553

so it had to have been younger.

554

And Cassie says something about,

you know, maybe she wanted to

555

step into her mother's role.

556

Xhafer: that was, I don't know what

they meant there because it sounded

557

like they could have been talking about

a couple of things, and I would like

558

to give the show the benefit of the

doubt, but the show has not earned the

559

benefit of the doubt for me at this time.

560

And I'm just like, they can't

possibly mean like, banging your dad.

561

Right.

562

Like that, that that can't be

what this show is talking about.

563

Right.

564

There's no way I I feel

like, I feel like if that was

565

something that was on this show.

566

That, that's all it would be known for.

567

And not even like the Mormonism

stuff that it has its known

568

history and reputation with

569

Laura: It feels like there's

three connotations, right?

570

Like maybe they're talking about

jobs, literal jobs, because

571

Xhafer: Yeah.

572

Laura: does seem like battle

star is a family affair.

573

Like

574

Xhafer: Yes.

575

Laura: our children are our pilots.

576

she's talking about like

emotional closeness.

577

I wanna be dad's

confidants and mom is gone.

578

Or the other thing.

579

But it's, it's so gross because

it's immediately followed

580

with like Cassie acknowledging

581

Xhafer: man has needs, Ooh,

they say that way too many

582

times in this Fuck it episode.

583

Laura: they say something about that,

and then she's like, well, I could

584

be your daughter, basically, like,

585

Xhafer: Yeah.

586

Laura: I'm the same age as

your daughter or whatever.

587

And I was just like, they're saying it.

588

saying the

589

Xhafer: They're kind of saying it.

590

Oh

591

Laura: loud

592

Xhafer: I wonder if we had

watched this like four years ago

593

if we would be digging this

deep into stuff like this.

594

Laura: But it feels like, you

595

Xhafer: feels, it feels fucking weird.

596

Laura: it feels like it's

telling on itself, like at

597

Xhafer: Yeah.

598

Laura: like the dominant

culture of the time.

599

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

600

Laura: Like there's this lip

service to like, oh yes, we have

601

a woman pilot and this woman has

a job of like field medic, but

602

Xhafer: Yeah.

603

Laura: actually they're just like,

the real purpose of women is like

604

for us men, not for anything else.

605

Really.

606

Xhafer: Yeah.

607

Duh.

608

Laura: wow, what an interesting time.

609

Xhafer: Yeah.

610

Listener.

611

If you've asked us if we were gonna

watch the original Battlestar Galactica,

612

and we, we, we have said no, we weren't

particularly interested a number of

613

times to that question when it's come

up I'm gonna really double down on that.

614

No, you're gonna get this one.

615

And I don't think anything else,

616

Laura: I don't think I could do it

for podcasts, like, I don't know.

617

Xhafer: like, I don't know, I've

watched some bad shit for fucking

618

LTO in the past, no names mentioned.

619

And uh, it's tough.

620

Like I have to, at the very least,

enjoy it a little bit to be able

621

to do anything that I feel is

even remotely worth listening to.

622

Laura: Yeah.

623

I feel like it would be a continual

weekly song and dance of Laura

624

Hates The Patriarchy, and that would

just get real tiring for all of us.

625

So.

626

Xhafer: No, it wouldn't.

627

It's a whole podcast, Laura.

628

Laura: Well, but I mean, at least

that podcast we're like skipping

629

through things and it's not the same.

630

Like we'd have to do 20

631

Xhafer: That's what you,

you guys should do it on.

632

Cool Girls.

633

You should watch Ochi.

634

Battlestar on Cool Girls.

635

There we go.

636

Laura: We can skip through

Cool Girls and also

637

Xhafer: a bunch of two Parters.

638

So that will be funny.

639

Laura: Yep.

640

So We're gonna go fly

submissions, I guess.

641

Xhafer: yeah, Adama wants to start

integrating the crews for missions

642

for morale purposes and Kain abides.

643

Ty is like, they treat him like

a god in like one of three lines.

644

He gets in this episode

645

and Adama's like, well, it's been hell

for them, and he's let them survive.

646

It's all like, yeah.

647

Kane decides to go on this strike mission

himself as vipers from both battle stars.

648

Go to attack a tanker and

get some fuel for the fleet.

649

It's in a nebula.

650

But the nebula just a cloud

'cause special effects.

651

Laura: Yeah.

652

Xhafer: it's just a space cloud.

653

Laura: though,

654

Xhafer: Oh.

655

They're like Pharaoh helmets.

656

They're Cobra commander helmets

657

Laura: Yes.

658

Xhafer: the big old eagles up front.

659

Laura: silly helmets, but

the Pegasus ones, they have

660

like an actual Pegasus on the

661

Xhafer: Yeah.

662

Laura: That's pretty cool.

663

That's pretty cool.

664

Xhafer: They didn't know what to

put for Galactica on the helmets.

665

They just didn't bother.

666

Laura: right.

667

Xhafer: Actually, I think

it's a star they have there.

668

Anyways.

669

Uh.

670

Laura: I didn't pay attention.

671

Xhafer: I don't fucking remember.

672

It's way less ostentatious and hence cool.

673

Laura: Yeah.

674

Xhafer: The, the Pegasus helmets

are the Bentleys of helmets.

675

You want that hood ornament?

676

They planted the nebula.

677

They find the fuel tankers

when Raiders approach.

678

Kane's squad makes quick work of them.

679

But then Kane blows up

the tankers himself,

680

Laura: Yeah.

681

Xhafer: he uses this to tell Adama that

mixing the cruise was a mistake and

682

presses to attack Gare like he wanted.

683

Adama is pissed.

684

Cain goes to drink.

685

Laura: Yeah.

686

He, he basically was just like, well,

I'm gonna take away the one thing that

687

you had, you didn't wanna do this,

and you just wanted to get the tankers

688

and, and go and not have to attack

a more, well, now I'm gonna make you

689

have to attack, attack ga morere.

690

So what a fucking dick?

691

And

692

Apollo knows that this is a ruse,

and he's pretty mad about it.

693

Xhafer: Yeah.

694

Paul was like, Hey, Shiba you

want, you wanna talk about that?

695

She's like, fuck no.

696

Fuck off dude.

697

Laura: Yeah.

698

Xhafer: That's my dad.

699

Laura: Yeah.

700

But then her dad spurs her

to go be in Cassias company,

701

Xhafer: Yeah.

702

Adam orders cane to split the

Pegasus, his fuel, he refuses and

703

Adama relieves cane of command and

puts tie in charge of the ship.

704

Laura: which tie seems

to be decently competent.

705

Xhafer: Yeah.

706

This tie I trust with

command of a Battlestar.

707

Laura: Yeah.

708

Xhafer: He's a lot more Riker.

709

Laura: Very much so.

710

Yeah.

711

Xhafer: well, he's probably

actually a lot more, I mean, he's,

712

I, I say he's a competent first

officer who should be a captain.

713

It feels, is the vibe, is what

I'm specifically getting at here.

714

Not to take anything away from any

other first officers who are completely

715

competent and could be captains.

716

Laura: Yeah.

717

Yeah.

718

No, I, I think that this saw tie,

I was like, oh, I, I, again, I'm

719

not sure if it feels like this show

720

I don't know.

721

It's a lot of lip service

722

Xhafer: yeah,

723

Laura: as, not as interesting of choices.

724

How about that?

725

Xhafer: for sure.

726

So, if this tie is Riker,

is reboot Thai Chikota

727

only with alcoholism.

728

Laura: He doesn't talk about the

bones of his people enough, I

729

Xhafer: Well, I mean, that's the thing

is if you just replace bones of my

730

people in a Cooch Moya with doing shots,

they're effectively the same character.

731

Laura: And

732

Xhafer: It's not true at all.

733

I know Discord.

734

I know I'm making jokes.

735

They're different characters.

736

Dramatically.

737

Laura: kind of wish Voyager had

chikota doing shots all the time.

738

Xhafer: It would be less

insensitive somehow.

739

Fuck.

740

Laura: Interesting choices.

741

Yeah.

742

Kane is like, we need victory.

743

And Adama

744

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

745

Laura: we need species survival.

746

Victory is not actually an option.

747

Xhafer: Like, we're not,

we're not gonna win this shit.

748

Believe me, you've just been doing

hit and run rates and you haven't

749

had to fight a fucking base star.

750

I don't wanna fucking hear it.

751

Laura: mm-hmm.

752

Xhafer: Sheba offers to

Mutiny, but Kane won't do it.

753

Zz this could have been fun.

754

Laura: Yeah.

755

Bomber.

756

Xhafer: And then we get Ballar.

757

Laura: I wrote down LOL

get a load of this guy.

758

Xhafer: So the same, you

immediately knew it was Ballar.

759

Laura: It was like, fuck Guy Ballar.

760

Speaking of not, I mean, okay.

761

I don't remember the actor for Guy Baltar.

762

Do you have that name handy?

763

Xhafer: The original or the,

you talking about James Callis?

764

Oh no, I don't.

765

Laura: Okay.

766

Xhafer: I assume it's the doc, the

evil doctor from Lost in Space.

767

I, I know that it isn't,

but I assume that it is.

768

It might be actually.

769

I don't know.

770

Laura: this, this guy is Baltar

is a real snidely whiplash.

771

Like he is

772

Xhafer: yeah,

773

Laura: twirling his mustache

and like I'm so evil and.

774

He's been like he, he's been

specifically hunting Adama.

775

He's got a real beef with Adam dama.

776

I don't know what it is,

and I also don't care.

777

he's also maybe s I couldn't tell.

778

Xhafer: he, he's not silent.

779

God, really?

780

Okay.

781

So this is uh, James Ko which is

worth calling out 'cause he's core.

782

Star Trek.

783

So he's in he's in Deep Space

Nine, has one of the old Klingons

784

and then also the original series.

785

Um, he's been in a ton of this stuff.

786

As soon as I see him not

dressed as Baltar, he is

787

immediately recognizable to me.

788

Laura: Okay.

789

Okay.

790

He is making some real interesting

choices as an actor with how

791

hysterical this character is to me,

792

Xhafer: He is a crazy dude.

793

Laura: If I had not watching any

other episodes of this series, I am

794

guessing that the Gaas baltar of this

series is not nearly as interesting

795

as the Gaas Baltar we have, who is

like, yes, extremely flawed, but he's

796

not quite like, just like mustache

twirling, just constantly evil dude.

797

Xhafer: Yeah.

798

Laura: He's a little more humanesque,

799

Xhafer: for sure.

800

he just seems to like be the dude

who's like, betrayed humanity for the

801

sake of like, I don't understand why.

802

He's like,

803

Laura: sake of his dick, right?

804

Xhafer: yeah, it's, I don't

understand what, I don't know

805

what he's doing with the silence.

806

'cause if the,

807

Laura: Yeah.

808

I don't know.

809

Xhafer: because like if he's, if their

whole thing is wiping out organic life,

810

why are they hanging out with Baltar?

811

Laura: And he's really trying

to impress imperious leader.

812

I feel

813

Xhafer: Yeah.

814

Laura: like we get some stuff here in

this back half of the second half of

815

this episode that like, but if imperious

leader is just like programmed to

816

kill all humans, I don't understand.

817

Xhafer: Yeah.

818

Um, I don't, I don't fucking, I don't

know if there's just exposition that

819

we're missing, which is possible, or if

it's just the way this show fucking is.

820

Laura: But another way this show fucking

is is that they wrote that Gais Baltar's

821

secondhand robot is named Lucifer.

822

Xhafer: Yeah.

823

Yeah.

824

He's a like thinking machine dude.

825

They're the cone heads.

826

Laura: Oh,

827

Xhafer: they're just guys in suits.

828

Laura: One of them has like, like they

have some sort of helmet on that's just

829

like full of twinkle lights and it's

830

Xhafer: Yes,

831

Laura: up.

832

Xhafer: a hundred percent.

833

Laura: Yes.

834

These silences, so intimidating.

835

I don't know what's happening here.

836

'cause what I wrote in my notes is that

Kane's, poor man, baby pride is hurt

837

and they must offend toxic masculinity.

838

Red alert.

839

Xhafer: So Baltar is sending

three bay ships because that can

840

totally blow up one battle stop.

841

Laura: Mm-hmm.

842

Xhafer: And as they're going to start

moving fuel that's when the Cys show

843

up and they're like, oh, well we know

they're there, but they don't know

844

we've got two battle stars yet, so

we're gonna go and ju jump one away.

845

Kane's all like, I got

this big old plan guys.

846

We're gonna do this thing and you're

gonna gimme command on my ship again.

847

And it's almost all like, fuck it.

848

Laura: He is like, okay, yeah.

849

You're a man who's learned his lesson.

850

Take back over the ship.

851

Yep.

852

And Cain for the whatever it's

worth, I guess, is like, oh

853

Xhafer: Yeah.

854

Laura: three bay ships.

855

That's, that's bad.

856

That could have

857

Xhafer: Yeah, that's what killed Caprica.

858

Like Arta vertebra.

859

It's bad.

860

It's too many base ships

for one Battle star.

861

So he like takes a viper and goes

and flies back to Pegasus and so that

862

they can like jump, like jump over to

do them, like piner them and stuff.

863

He's like, they say words that make it

sound like they've got a tactical plan,

864

but they don't show us or demonstrate any.

865

Clan whatsoever, but

they say the right words.

866

Uh, The battle begins, the silence

takeout Galactica Landing Bay, and

867

then Pegasus swoops in to kill al tar.

868

And that's credits, that's the

first episode of the two-parter.

869

Laura: Yeah.

870

Xhafer: But we're gonna do both here.

871

baltar immediately retreats is

how the next episode starts.

872

Laura: Mm-hmm.

873

Mm-hmm.

874

Xhafer: Just like I am

getting the fuck outta here.

875

Laura: just fair, I wrote

these notes late at night

876

Xhafer: Yeah.

877

Laura: don't know why I wrote this,

but I, I was like going through the

878

like last time on, 'cause I think the

second part did have a last time on

879

Xhafer: Yeah.

880

Laura: I wrote that I would

smooch Young Richard Hatch.

881

So I don't know what moment

triggered that, but I guess I do

882

have a crush on Young Richard Hatch.

883

So,

884

Xhafer: He is in touch with his fifis.

885

Laura: yeah.

886

I guess maybe that was it.

887

Where

888

Xhafer: He's got some dad energy.

889

He's taking care of Boxy.

890

He

891

Laura: Mm-hmm.

892

Xhafer: to have a good

head on his shoulders.

893

He seems to be the most put

together character in this show.

894

Laura: Yeah.

895

Xhafer: And he's also not Lee.

896

Laura: he's not a Lee.

897

He's not a total fail son.

898

Xhafer: Yeah.

899

Laura: I don't know.

900

But show is Bongers.

901

Um, yeah.

902

Oh, and it did the actual and

now the exciting conclusion.

903

Xhafer: Kane once again, presses

for an offensive using Pegasus

904

to divert the base ships.

905

He's all like, we can do this

and we can posture aggressively

906

and we can do these things.

907

And Adama was just like, I really don't

want to do this, but you've literally

908

blown up my only other options.

909

So I guess we're doing this.

910

Laura: Yeah, so I guess we're gonna

reward you for that by doing your plan.

911

Xhafer: Yeah.

912

We like to reward people who

make impetuous actions that

913

cause us to get into battles.

914

We don't want to be in,

915

Laura: Mm-hmm.

916

Xhafer: fuck.

917

I did it again.

918

Laura: Damn it.

919

You fair?

920

Is it just that patriarchy is predictable?

921

Xhafer: I mean.

922

I don't know if it's just patriarchy

that's predictable, but yes.

923

Ugh, God.

924

Fuck everything.

925

Uh, Shiba and Boje join in here, which

was the other pilot from the start of

926

the episode because he's a character.

927

We decided to have a name now.

928

Laura: Bring back Bo JI

want him in the reboot.

929

Bo j.

930

Bo j.

931

Xhafer: Starbuck lays down a

little something, something here.

932

With Shiva, like, oh, you know, like, oh,

you know, oh, we're gonna do this mission.

933

Oh, you know, oh, I'm a little impulsive.

934

Oh, well, you know, like, maybe we should

have a bet on uh, you know, who gets

935

their mission done fastest, you know,

and it's all like, maybe, you know, kind

936

of alluding to a date being the prize.

937

And when this comes up, she's

all like I'd rather die.

938

Kay, thanks.

939

Like, I, she literally is like, I would

rather you don't wanna put me in a

940

position where I consider forfeiting the

mission, rather than take this prize.

941

Laura: Hmm.

942

Xhafer: Like, fuck you, Uck

943

Laura: She's like,

944

Xhafer: a plus.

945

Laura: I could just throw

everything and let us all die.

946

That's

947

Xhafer: Yeah.

948

That sounds preferable to

a date with you, Starbuck.

949

Laura: Mm-hmm.

950

Mm-hmm.

951

Cassie Oia wants to talk

about her fifis, about Kane,

952

And she says that if Kane's not

her on his ship and taking her with

953

him, it's because he intends to die.

954

Right.

955

Xhafer: Yeah.

956

Laura: Okay.

957

I don't think women are, are

rational actors in this world.

958

Xhafer: that has,

959

I don't wanna argue with you because

you're correct, but I want to

960

acknowledge that it's a very small

sample size we're working with,

961

Laura: That's true.

962

It is one episode,

963

Xhafer: but you are a thousand

percent correct for everything

964

that we've witnessed, and I

don't want to dismiss that.

965

But an episode and a half of the

show might not be the best judge.

966

But you know what?

967

I'm, fuck it.

968

I mean, it's not like I'm coming back.

969

So here we go.

970

Laura: I suppose you have observed in an

episode of original Battlestar Galactica

971

listener, a woman getting to make a

choice that it start, Hey, find me an

972

episode that passes the Bechdel test.

973

Somebody who's watched OG

Battlestar Galactica before.

974

I'll watch that one.

975

I'll watch it, but you

gotta find it for me.

976

I'm not doing that work.

977

Xhafer: That's fair.

978

We get a bit with Baltar here where he's

refusing to help until he sees a path to

979

victory, and then the pilots are going to

handle the ground invasion, just like in.

980

You know, they're our main soldiers.

981

They do everything and they are dressed.

982

Laura: a great sniper, right?

983

Mm-hmm.

984

Xhafer: They're like, their,

their outfits are absurd.

985

Like they're just straight

up in hockey helmets.

986

They are dressed like OG Tron

had a baby with the all black

987

aesthetics of Tron legacy

988

Laura: Mm-hmm.

989

Xhafer: with none of the cool lights.

990

Laura: Yeah.

991

Yeah.

992

We, we do some cool

parachuting and to a morere.

993

There's like some interstitials of baltar

bitching at his robots, but I didn't.

994

I don't think there was

anything important said.

995

Nothing plot heavy,

996

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

997

Laura: when we find out about

imperious leader, imperious

998

leaders coming to Gamora.

999

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:48,588 --> 00:44:54,113

He's there to inspect the status of

this fully operational battle station.

00:44:55,028 --> 00:44:58,388

On the ground bombs set,

they're getting planted.

00:44:58,388 --> 00:45:02,378

We see Bo j getting got, and then

Cassie helps out as a Field me

00:45:02,648 --> 00:45:06,998

medic to save him, and they make it

out as the bombs start to go off.

00:45:07,698 --> 00:45:09,198

Laura: There was a boomer in the party?

00:45:09,717 --> 00:45:10,137

Xhafer: yeah.

00:45:10,257 --> 00:45:10,467

Yeah.

00:45:10,467 --> 00:45:14,227

Starbuck and Boomer Starbuck and

Boomer were also, who were sent over

00:45:14,227 --> 00:45:16,687

to Pegasus to do the fuel transfer,

00:45:17,338 --> 00:45:17,698

Laura: Okay.

00:45:17,698 --> 00:45:18,208

I thought it was

00:45:18,367 --> 00:45:19,777

Xhafer: or was it Apollo and Boomer?

00:45:19,777 --> 00:45:20,797

It was Apollo and Boomer.

00:45:21,277 --> 00:45:23,557

Yeah, I think it was

a, it was one of them.

00:45:23,557 --> 00:45:24,247

And Boomer,

00:45:24,773 --> 00:45:25,133

Laura: Oh.

00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:26,087

Xhafer: mm-hmm.

00:45:26,213 --> 00:45:27,113

Laura: is very funny.

00:45:27,593 --> 00:45:30,083

So we're like blowing

up the munitions, right?

00:45:30,953 --> 00:45:35,993

As imperious leader is

dedicating the Southern outpost.

00:45:35,993 --> 00:45:40,403

But when they refer to Southern

Outpost, it sounds like they're

00:45:40,403 --> 00:45:48,064

referring to Gare, like as a

location, not like on this planet.

00:45:48,064 --> 00:45:49,174

This is in the south.

00:45:49,174 --> 00:45:52,444

And I was like, I would love to

know more about the south of space.

00:45:54,583 --> 00:46:00,343

Xhafer: Well, Laura, some parts of space

you can just go through any part of time

00:46:00,343 --> 00:46:05,873

a day regardless of the color of your

skin, and sometimes you're in what's

00:46:05,873 --> 00:46:12,907

called a sundown part of space uh, where

you need to be a little bit more cautious

00:46:12,907 --> 00:46:16,177

about what you're doing and be a little

bit more aware of your surroundings.

00:46:16,798 --> 00:46:17,758

Laura: the dark of space.

00:46:17,758 --> 00:46:17,998

Yeah.

00:46:18,367 --> 00:46:20,317

Xhafer: Yeah, in the dark of space,

00:46:21,697 --> 00:46:22,057

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:22,626 --> 00:46:23,076

Xhafer: I don't know.

00:46:23,076 --> 00:46:23,886

I could do more.

00:46:23,946 --> 00:46:28,446

Um, sometimes you're in a

part of space that is more

00:46:28,446 --> 00:46:29,831

historically based in industry.

00:46:30,561 --> 00:46:36,871

You know sometimes you're in a part of

space that is more historically based

00:46:36,871 --> 00:46:40,501

in agriculture, where their label labor

sources might not have been ethical.

00:46:40,651 --> 00:46:43,051

You know, I'm really limiting

this to the United States.

00:46:43,051 --> 00:46:45,841

I shouldn't be doing our

listeners sturdy like that.

00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:50,971

Sometimes you're in parts of space where

when you flush the toilet, it spins

00:46:50,971 --> 00:46:55,291

clockwise and sometimes you're in parts

of space where when you flush the toilet,

00:46:55,291 --> 00:46:59,041

it spins counterclockwise, and also

everything there is trying to kill you.

00:47:00,427 --> 00:47:00,817

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:01,747 --> 00:47:03,007

That was for you Ryan.

00:47:03,067 --> 00:47:03,277

We

00:47:03,451 --> 00:47:03,991

Xhafer: Hundred percent.

00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:10,547

Laura: We're we're, unfortunately,

US and Australia was centric Podcast.

00:47:12,197 --> 00:47:16,637

Xhafer: I, I haven't been very far

south, just like globally speaking.

00:47:17,372 --> 00:47:21,362

Well, yeah, I've been in the south of

the United States, but I've never been

00:47:21,362 --> 00:47:26,192

in South America or Africa or on the

other side of the equator in general.

00:47:26,418 --> 00:47:26,838

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:47:27,002 --> 00:47:33,692

Xhafer: Um, I've done lots of east Westy

stuff, but not so much on the north South.

00:47:34,313 --> 00:47:34,583

Laura: Wait.

00:47:35,273 --> 00:47:35,543

Yeah.

00:47:35,543 --> 00:47:36,623

Longitude, buddy.

00:47:37,352 --> 00:47:40,314

Xhafer: Yeah, I've never

been to Mexico or anything.

00:47:40,947 --> 00:47:41,237

Laura: Yeah,

00:47:41,311 --> 00:47:43,021

Xhafer: Gotta gotta do that at some point

00:47:43,702 --> 00:47:44,152

Laura: sure.

00:47:44,371 --> 00:47:46,141

Xhafer: or, or someplace farther south.

00:47:46,141 --> 00:47:47,461

But I don't know.

00:47:47,461 --> 00:47:49,801

Travel sounds like a nightmare right now.

00:47:49,801 --> 00:47:50,104

Oh,

00:47:50,211 --> 00:47:50,831

Laura: Oh no,

00:47:51,275 --> 00:47:53,495

Xhafer: why is everything terrible?

00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:56,396

Laura: Everything is pretty bad

00:47:56,585 --> 00:47:59,435

Xhafer: God, I hope sometimes like.

00:48:00,318 --> 00:48:03,623

I mean, we don't shy away from talking

about things that are happening in the

00:48:03,623 --> 00:48:08,303

world on this podcast, like some other

podcasts not, I'm not trying to call

00:48:08,303 --> 00:48:14,993

anyone out here but I do feel like it kind

of dates the episodes sometimes, and I

00:48:14,993 --> 00:48:19,283

really wonder if this is gonna be one of

those moment in time episodes because I

00:48:19,283 --> 00:48:22,343

just can't fucking stop doing this today.

00:48:22,544 --> 00:48:23,129

Laura: I don't know.

00:48:24,299 --> 00:48:29,446

the older we get, the more I feel like

the, the creators of this show are right.

00:48:29,446 --> 00:48:32,386

And everything that's happened

before keeps happening again.

00:48:32,416 --> 00:48:32,896

So

00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,120

Xhafer: I mean,

00:48:34,666 --> 00:48:36,196

Laura: again at some point.

00:48:37,166 --> 00:48:37,586

Xhafer: hate that.

00:48:38,552 --> 00:48:39,302

Laura: I hate it too.

00:48:40,022 --> 00:48:40,652

I hate it here.

00:48:42,313 --> 00:48:46,903

picking up disturbances on the surface, so

I guess the muni munitions are going off.

00:48:47,076 --> 00:48:47,366

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:48,436 --> 00:48:50,266

Laura: Are Sheba and Boje a thing?

00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:51,743

Xhafer: I don't know.

00:48:53,189 --> 00:48:53,519

Laura: Seems like

00:48:53,843 --> 00:48:56,513

Xhafer: I, Shiva is in

the rest of this show.

00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:59,170

Shiva is a regular character

in the rest of the show.

00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,190

BOJ is in a ton of other episodes as well.

00:49:03,801 --> 00:49:04,091

Laura: Okay.

00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:05,410

Xhafer: Um, let me see here.

00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:14,020

Shiva is in 12 episodes of this show

and I just saw BOJ on the list here.

00:49:15,056 --> 00:49:15,446

Boj.

00:49:15,566 --> 00:49:17,276

Oh, he's in three episodes.

00:49:18,062 --> 00:49:18,932

Laura: Oh, okay.

00:49:19,382 --> 00:49:20,157

Two of them were these.

00:49:21,566 --> 00:49:25,946

Xhafer: Yeah, he's in these two

and then into episodes from now

00:49:26,337 --> 00:49:26,757

Laura: Oh, okay.

00:49:27,266 --> 00:49:29,486

Xhafer: in War of the Gods.

00:49:29,967 --> 00:49:37,257

Laura: The silos on the surface

of gamo are dudes in silver

00:49:37,257 --> 00:49:39,297

masks and metallic robes.

00:49:39,297 --> 00:49:44,727

Like we didn't even bother trying

to put armor pieces on them.

00:49:45,147 --> 00:49:47,277

They are just a mask and a robe,

00:49:48,251 --> 00:49:48,541

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:49,887 --> 00:49:50,997

Laura: which is very funny.

00:49:51,357 --> 00:49:52,407

I enjoyed it a lot.

00:49:52,943 --> 00:49:59,543

Yeah, so I guess Baltar's decided that

the fleet is unprotected and he's gonna

00:49:59,543 --> 00:50:04,997

go after the fleet, but he's worried

about what imperious leader thinks.

00:50:04,997 --> 00:50:06,077

For some reason.

00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:07,740

Ball terrorism mystery to me.

00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:09,210

I don't understand any of this.

00:50:10,086 --> 00:50:10,376

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:11,758 --> 00:50:11,978

Uh,

00:50:12,059 --> 00:50:14,108

Laura: J's hurt Cassie.

00:50:14,108 --> 00:50:16,178

OP says that,

00:50:16,589 --> 00:50:20,069

Xhafer: Like they, they have to be

careful with moving him and stuff.

00:50:20,165 --> 00:50:20,975

Laura: yeah.

00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,199

Xhafer: not gonna be able to run.

00:50:22,745 --> 00:50:28,565

Laura: that's, that's, it's Bo J is why

we're taking him to Pegasus instead of

00:50:28,584 --> 00:50:28,874

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:29,345 --> 00:50:29,735

Laura: 'cause

00:50:29,754 --> 00:50:30,194

Xhafer: hundred percent.

00:50:30,485 --> 00:50:33,305

Laura: is closer and like

BOJ really needs help.

00:50:33,545 --> 00:50:34,715

And it's not about Kane.

00:50:34,715 --> 00:50:36,095

Don't worry, Starbucks.

00:50:37,134 --> 00:50:37,554

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:50:37,715 --> 00:50:41,165

Laura: be close to Kane even

though I've kind of said that.

00:50:42,329 --> 00:50:42,899

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:44,139 --> 00:50:45,399

Uh, So they go for it.

00:50:45,399 --> 00:50:47,229

They get on Pegasus.

00:50:47,585 --> 00:50:51,935

And Shiva has a moment with her dad

where she's all like, Hey, I just

00:50:51,935 --> 00:50:56,045

saw your girlfriend, like risk her

life to save one of my friends.

00:50:56,255 --> 00:50:58,325

Like maybe I have misjudged her.

00:50:59,948 --> 00:51:00,938

That was nice.

00:51:01,118 --> 00:51:01,808

I guess.

00:51:01,868 --> 00:51:02,528

I don't know.

00:51:03,434 --> 00:51:04,694

Then the attack starts.

00:51:04,694 --> 00:51:05,024

Yeah.

00:51:06,005 --> 00:51:11,975

Laura: yeah, when this attack starts,

somebody says there's an unbelievable

00:51:11,975 --> 00:51:15,035

amount of craft or headed at the Pegasus,

00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:16,019

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:51:16,055 --> 00:51:16,295

Laura: wow.

00:51:16,295 --> 00:51:20,519

We couldn't even, like in the writer's

room, be like, it's a hundred.

00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,730

It's just an unbelievable amount.

00:51:24,489 --> 00:51:24,819

Xhafer: Yep.

00:51:27,183 --> 00:51:28,593

Laura: hundreds, thousands.

00:51:28,593 --> 00:51:31,623

It's just something you wouldn't believe.

00:51:31,623 --> 00:51:35,261

You've very good writing on this show.

00:51:36,012 --> 00:51:38,052

Xhafer: They, they could

have just made up a word

00:51:38,835 --> 00:51:39,015

Laura: right.

00:51:39,915 --> 00:51:41,745

We're so into that in

00:51:41,874 --> 00:51:45,054

Xhafer: a ya hair and

luck of uh, you know.

00:51:45,785 --> 00:51:46,835

Laura: Google Bikes.

00:51:49,734 --> 00:51:50,244

Yeah.

00:51:51,218 --> 00:51:56,918

And at some point Apollo mad at Kane about

getting Warriors killed for no reason.

00:51:57,452 --> 00:51:57,842

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:57,848 --> 00:51:57,938

Laura: I know,

00:51:58,382 --> 00:51:58,982

Xhafer: Warriors.

00:52:00,278 --> 00:52:00,608

Laura: right?

00:52:01,262 --> 00:52:03,452

Xhafer: Your Warriors

need to be Warrior Inc.

00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:04,780

Fucking show.

00:52:06,261 --> 00:52:10,186

Laura: And, and it's like we, we

were just told that an unbelievable

00:52:10,186 --> 00:52:11,626

amount of fighters are had this way.

00:52:11,656 --> 00:52:15,256

We have emotions about

getting Warriors killed.

00:52:16,036 --> 00:52:20,536

We cut to the fighter bay and it's

just like super casual in there.

00:52:20,686 --> 00:52:25,756

It's just like so ca it's just like

we're strolling to our fighters.

00:52:25,756 --> 00:52:25,936

We're

00:52:26,195 --> 00:52:26,485

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:26,806 --> 00:52:29,806

Laura: this is, it's

war o'clock again guys.

00:52:29,806 --> 00:52:30,706

What about it?

00:52:31,935 --> 00:52:32,955

Very, very good.

00:52:32,955 --> 00:52:33,285

Cut.

00:52:33,579 --> 00:52:37,059

Xhafer: We as a society have

not accepted PTSD exists yet.

00:52:38,595 --> 00:52:39,495

Laura: Exactly.

00:52:39,495 --> 00:52:39,945

Yeah.

00:52:40,995 --> 00:52:42,795

Well, there's not even

like a sense of urgency.

00:52:42,795 --> 00:52:45,615

It's just like, yeah, we'll

get, we'll get around to it.

00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:46,779

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:46,779 --> 00:52:47,139

No.

00:52:47,325 --> 00:52:48,585

Laura: ambrosia.

00:52:49,029 --> 00:52:50,799

Xhafer: Everyone's getting

on a pip on this ship.

00:52:51,279 --> 00:52:52,719

No sense of urgency.

00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:53,109

Ugh.

00:52:53,894 --> 00:52:58,214

the Cys break off to go

after Galactica on Kamo here.

00:52:58,214 --> 00:52:59,774

They're not falling for Kane's Roos.

00:53:00,194 --> 00:53:06,614

So Kane decides to go a little suicidal

and Adama is like, bro, just turn back.

00:53:08,369 --> 00:53:08,589

Laura: Uh

00:53:08,838 --> 00:53:13,578

Xhafer: He's all like, no, I'm gonna

take on all three bass stars and I'm

00:53:13,578 --> 00:53:16,158

sending everyone away while I do it.

00:53:17,394 --> 00:53:17,814

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:18,594 --> 00:53:23,154

Everyone, but like a

bunch of his crew, right?

00:53:23,838 --> 00:53:25,068

Xhafer: Oh, they gotta run the ship.

00:53:25,068 --> 00:53:25,428

Yeah,

00:53:25,704 --> 00:53:30,654

Laura: Uhhuh, so like he's dragging a

whole bunch of people into his little

00:53:30,714 --> 00:53:32,604

thing, but he's sending his daughter away.

00:53:32,604 --> 00:53:33,834

So like, okay,

00:53:34,398 --> 00:53:35,508

Xhafer: there's that.

00:53:36,444 --> 00:53:38,874

Laura: and Bo j bo j's, like in bad shape.

00:53:38,874 --> 00:53:40,764

He didn't get to make

his own decisions, so,

00:53:41,208 --> 00:53:41,628

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:42,204 --> 00:53:42,624

Laura: yeah.

00:53:42,834 --> 00:53:43,224

Yeah.

00:53:44,247 --> 00:53:46,737

Vipers go defend Pegasus for a while or

00:53:46,876 --> 00:53:47,296

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:53:47,397 --> 00:53:47,787

Laura: know.

00:53:47,817 --> 00:53:50,594

Everything's, I don't care about anything.

00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:56,369

Xhafer: Baltar realizes he's getting

gunned for, so he pulls back some ships.

00:53:56,369 --> 00:54:00,389

Apollo and Starbuck defend the

crew evacuating from Pegasus, and

00:54:00,389 --> 00:54:03,149

Starbuck really wants to die here.

00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:05,915

He really just wants to go martyr himself.

00:54:05,915 --> 00:54:09,125

Hey, at least it's

consistent across the reboot

00:54:09,476 --> 00:54:10,076

Laura: I guess that's true.

00:54:10,076 --> 00:54:10,356

Yeah.

00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:10,805

Xhafer: and

00:54:10,811 --> 00:54:11,291

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:54:11,405 --> 00:54:15,965

Xhafer: he and Apollo stra some

base ships to give Pegasus a chance

00:54:15,965 --> 00:54:20,405

to take out two of them as it like

flies in between and launches.

00:54:20,435 --> 00:54:24,665

All of its big missiles and there's

so much explosions that they can't see

00:54:24,665 --> 00:54:27,905

anything, and that's just the end of it.

00:54:27,965 --> 00:54:32,105

They're just all like, we don't know

if those bay ships or Pegasus survived.

00:54:32,105 --> 00:54:33,635

We're just getting the fuck outta here.

00:54:33,635 --> 00:54:37,055

Peace, and it's just left open.

00:54:37,055 --> 00:54:39,185

That Pegasus might show up.

00:54:40,391 --> 00:54:44,231

Laura: Yeah, I was like, this was them

planning for Pegasus to show up in

00:54:44,231 --> 00:54:46,571

a later season if they got it right.

00:54:47,045 --> 00:54:48,335

Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

00:54:48,491 --> 00:54:49,541

Laura: think Kane was dead.

00:54:49,811 --> 00:54:52,121

Kane was definitely

gonna be a going concern.

00:54:53,171 --> 00:54:53,411

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:54:53,416 --> 00:54:57,671

If they could afford to pay to get Lloyd

Bridges back, Pegasus was coming back.

00:54:58,097 --> 00:54:58,217

Laura: mm-hmm.

00:54:58,937 --> 00:54:59,357

For sure.

00:54:59,357 --> 00:54:59,867

For sure.

00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:01,367

Yeah.

00:55:01,547 --> 00:55:02,387

So is that it?