Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura introduces Xhafer to the wonders of Gen Alpha media. Meanwhile, the Excalibur crew explores yet another dead alien world with hidden secrets in Crusade: Episode 9 - Racing the Night.

Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're the Babylon 5 watch cast by a

couple of former strangers who are

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now friends, and still getting to

know each other over one of their

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favorite shows from their childhood.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: Ja'far.

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Laura: and today I'm going to ask

Jaffer one of the new questions.

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Who are you?

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Xhafer: Oh no.

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Laura: I guess you can, you could

pick maybe, because we have two

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questions that start with whom.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Whom do you serve,

Ja'far, or whom do you trust?

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I'm not sure that grammar's right.

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Xhafer: the questions are awkward,

the answers are awkward, probably.

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the grammar is awkward.

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It's a whole set of awkward over here.

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Um, I don't know, whom do I serve?

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Probably like, my job?

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feel like that's you know, like, like

my family, my community, my loved ones.

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Thanks.

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I don't know.

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I feel like those are all pretty,

very general answers, exactly.

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I don't, I'm not a, I don't

think I'm a particularly exciting

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dude to answer this question.

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Um,

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, we're

not Matthew Gideon out there

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in space serving the earth.

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So it's like, well, what do you want?

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I, I

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Xhafer: Well, even his answer's generic.

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His answer's like, humanity.

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Like, oh good.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: Earthforce, right?

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His answer's shit too, so I

don't feel too bad about it.

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Uh, Whom Do You Trust?

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I think gives us a little bit more leeway.

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At the very least, gives me

a little bit more leeway.

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Um, because besides fucking nobody.

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Laura: even your podcast partners,

especially not your podcast partners.

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Xhafer: Hard dead cell on the face there.

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Um, no, I, I trust lots of people.

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I don't know.

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It's I uh, I try to be a

very open, trusting person.

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It's something that I

used to not do at all.

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In my twenties, I was notoriously

never trust anybody, you know?

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But it's something that I've definitely

tried to give people a lot more about

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the benefit of the doubt of in my life.

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I've been rewarded for that.

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I feel much more so

than I've been punished.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: it's, I think it's, it's hard

to trust people sometimes, especially

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it depends on the, like, I think

it's easier to trust people with

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big shit than it is a little shit.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: is that weird?

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Is that, is that a weird sentiment?

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Laura: can you provide examples?

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Xhafer: I would much rather trust

someone with like a big life decision

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or a, you know, like, A big financial

goal or something like, okay, you know,

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save up 10, 000 to put a down payment

on a house or buy a car or something

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that that's a lot easier for me to give

to someone than like doing the dishes.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um, I think part of that

is that I'm very driven by like

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a, I can ask someone or I can do

the thing in approximately one

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and a half times it would take to.

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Muster up the energy and ask

the person to do the thing.

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So I just do the thing.

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so I'm, I'm very bad at trusting

people with small stuff.

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A hundred percent.

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Like I, I know that about myself.

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I would much rather just go

in, take care of something very

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quickly if at all possible.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That is a struggle when

you manage people though.

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Xhafer: yes, it, a hundred percent it is.

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Um, but also you're doing

different things, at least

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if you are managing properly.

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I feel like that's the difference

between a manager and a team lead.

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A team lead is actually doing the

same stuff as the rest of the group.

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They're just the senior most person.

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A manager is doing a completely

other, different set of

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shit that has some capacity.

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To impact the people below and just

things feed up the chain that way.

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A

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Laura: I think it might depend on

your size of your organization too.

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Xhafer: hundred, well, a hundred percent,

I think in a smaller organization, you're

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going to find a lot more team leads

who are managers than you are managers.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Um, and I think a manager

should be able to be able to do the job

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of everyone that they're supervising,

but also the manager should be the

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worst person at that job on the team.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I know I am.

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Xhafer: I mean, you've got the

least amount of like hours locked,

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Laura: Yeah,

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exactly.

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Right.

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Xhafer: even if you didn't at

one point and you were the best

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person at that job at one point.

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Laura: Yeah, you left it.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: You left it,

you're out of practice.

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there are things that I've led

people for doing for years.

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That, if you were to throw me

in a situation where I had to do

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it now, years removed, could I?

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Probably.

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Would you want me to?

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No.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Xhafer: so it's a bit different.

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I don't know.

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I feel like I've vamped on this all I Can

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Which is a

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shame,

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Laura: episode for 30 minutes?

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Xhafer: I hope I can vamp on an episode

for 30 minutes because right now our track

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record for Crusade episodes is not great.

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We've been really working to fill

the time like I'm doing right now

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by just blathering on incessantly.

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So that way we have a decent run time

for an episode because we've been

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covering these things in like 20 minutes.

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Laura: You know what we could do

to slow things down a little bit?

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We could uh, do this opening with

a little bit of lag, where, like,

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our words are just a little bit

slower, like, maybe at half X speed.

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Like, kind of like the

open of this episode.

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Xhafer: right.

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Did you know this was

supposed to be the pilot?

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Laura: Huh.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Not in any order.

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It's never the pilot in any order, but

JMS wrote this as the pilot and it was the

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second episode to air on TNT because they

made him go back and make an actual pilot.

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Laura: Uh Huh, right.

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I do remember talking about that.

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This has that kind of money

dumped into it, doesn't it?

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Because there's a lot of CG

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: have.

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Xhafer: Pointless exposition,

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: just like characters reminding

us who they are and what they're

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doing there out loud, in ways that

don't make sense for the fifth episode

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of a show, but make a lot of sense

for the first episode of a show.

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Mm hmm.

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Laura: Yeah Matthew Gideon is

spending a lot of time, like,

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brooding over his mission as well.

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Like, Because we open Oh, should

we tell them which episode this is?

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Xhafer: this is uh, Racing the Night.

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This is the second episode

on the DVD and Air Order.

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Laura: But it is technically number 9

if I'm looking at our spreadsheet right.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: Oh

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Xhafer: It is,

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yeah, it's, it's, this is one of the

reasons, I mean, so a lot of the reading

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that I did today, particularly about

Crusade, was about the like, shit show

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of TNT deciding to can it halfway through

and the fight for sci fi to pick it up.

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Laura: Huh.

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Xhafer: Which apparently was very

close to happening, but because TNT

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had dropped it, like, months into

the year, their all of SyFy's budget

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on, like, production was spent.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Just everything was allocated

for, they were talking about cutting

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episodes of other shows to make

room to pick up Crusade and stuff.

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It was a whole thing.

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Laura: Whew.

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That sounds like a nightmare too.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: It wouldn't have been

great if it had happened.

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Xhafer: No.

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I mean, and it's just like, knowing

the time frame, like, Okay, could we

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have done one less season of Eureka?

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Probably.

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Uh,

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Laura: that show.

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Xhafer: I mean, what, what, what

would have been the actual cost

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for sci fi to pick it up is I think

interesting because it might've been

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like, I think this would have been

around the same time they got SG 1.

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So it

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Laura: a good get, though.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: so there might've been a

universe where Crusade drops before

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SG 1 can get picked up and We end

up with a full five seasons of

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Crusade and SG 1 dying on Showtime.

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I don't know.

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I'm, I'm, I don't, I don't

know the actual specifics.

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I'm just guessing based off of the time

frame from things I remember right now.

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To be clear, listener, I've

put no research into this.

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This is me spitballing.

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Uh, So if I'm super wrong, I don't,

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Laura: It's all a brain exercise, anyway.

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Xhafer: I'm just trying to spend

another four minutes talking

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about something before we get to

this episode and I've done that.

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So, we open on a flashback

to some ambassadors.

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Uh, This is in Lockley's

office on Babylon 5.

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I don't know if you clocked

it from the background.

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Laura: but, no Lockley, though.

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Xhafer: Still no Lockley.

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Laura: Very disappointing.

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Xhafer: Gideon, when talking to the TROC

ambassador and speaking to that kind of

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like, block, There's like, at the end

of season five, there were a couple of

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these races that were really just like

in a group together in the interstellar

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alliance where like, we're the small guys.

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So we're going to all

team up to have some sway.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Used to be the non aligned worlds, now

we're gonna try to align a little bit.

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Xhafer: ambassador is like, look,

we'll give you free passage through.

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Oh yeah.

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Not the Drak ambassador.

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The Drazi ambassador, um, is like, you

got five years, you can spend four.

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With free passage through our space,

and that fifth you're spending

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stopping anyone from getting off Earth.

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Laura: We know now that

people would not wait.

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For that fifth year, right?

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Like, people are trying

constantly to get off Earth.

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They are, like, hurtling themselves

at the sky with anything they can.

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Xhafer: Yeah, some dude in

Oklahoma just built his own rocket

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to prove that the Earth is flat

and to escape the drog plague.

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Laura: Yes,

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exactly.

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Xhafer: Like, you know you're infected!

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That's the whole point, right?

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Like, maybe I'm special and I'm not

infected so I can go live somewhere else.

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It's all like, not gonna help.

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Laura: Nope.

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Uh, We can't wait five years for that.

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The drowsy needs to park his spaceship

outside of Venus right now and just,

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like, start shooting at people.

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Yeah, this scene was real weird.

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It was real, um, I know it's supposed to

be like a dream flashback kind of thing,

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but it looked like, it reminded me of a

video game that's not buffering well the

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Xhafer: It's so sepia,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: and it's

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Laura: And choppy.

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Mm

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Xhafer: awkward first person angles.

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It's just, yeah, the whole, the

whole thing did not, did not

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flow for me particularly well.

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Nor for Gideon, who agrees to this

deal, and gets a slight bitching

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at from a Earthforce whatever.

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Laura: He, he was fine agreeing to

this deal because people are already

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trying to get off earth, in my opinion.

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Like, he's just like,

yeah, whatever, fuck it.

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Like, what are you going to do?

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Make me come back in the, you

know, day 364 of that fourth year?

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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You're gonna make me come back, Drazi?

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Have you seen my ship?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Try.

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Laura: like, okay, whatever.

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I don't know why this general is so upset.

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Why does he care?

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But we see them drop him off

at the Excalibur for the first

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time.

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Xhafer: hmm.

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Um, and then he, he wakes up

from this flashback nightmare.

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They're on a planet, he

goes for a motorcycle ride.

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Laura: I should have made

a bingo card for this show.

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If I I think if I'd had more,

like, Airwolf from Cool Girls Don't

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Look at Explosions under my belt,

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I could have made up a little bingo card

for us of, like, the 90s tortured loner

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In charge of a big, big task tropes

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: you know, he's got his flying

motorcycle because this is space

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Xhafer: Oh,

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Laura: and, you know, he's got his

shades and his hairdo and it's just

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so like that 90s trope of I'm the

tortured guy who's on a big mission.

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I was like, okay,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: neat, neat.

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Oh, well, that, that bingo

card will come soon someday.

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Xhafer: Anyways he's riding around

and some rando who looks like he's

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part of IPX gets got to Thiem.

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After Thiem, Max is working

hard on translating technology.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: There's these tremendous

leaps and bounds here that are

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half written on the wall, but

Gideon just does not give a fuck.

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This mission is much like

Nerf, it's cure or nothing.

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Laura: Why?

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As if we're such an advanced civilization.

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Why are we writing our equations and

stuff on the walls in hieroglyphics?

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Xhafer: Yep, that doesn't make no sense.

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Also, like, one of the things he

rambles off is, like, a way to double

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their current means of propulsion.

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Wouldn't that be worth

your time for this mission?

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Yeah, but Gideon's all like, well,

where's the medical information?

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I need the medical stuff.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: okay.

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Never mind that, you know, science

crossbreeds all the time, and important

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discoveries in one area can lead to

important things in another area.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: warp field thing

makes the disease slow down.

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Or the radiation from the

weapon technology could kill it.

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You know, like, it's all worthwhile.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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We do find out that Eilerson is a Marzi.

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He was a native Martian.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So he's, he considers it

like, I'm doing you guys a favor.

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I'm not even an Earth human

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and

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I'm just here to share.

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Xhafer: Gideon pushes

Max to move on as Dr.

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Chambers confirms a few things.

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Uh, This species died off suddenly

a thousand years ago, but many races

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have visited in the last 50 years.

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She talks about skin, micro skin flakes

being on the, the ground and stuff,

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Laura: That is

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Xhafer: pull DNA samples.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That is kind of interesting.

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Xhafer: I have to go scrub every

surface of my house now, thank you.

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Laura: A thousand years ago, you say?

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: hmm, you think there's

something important in Babylon 5

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history like a thousand years ago?

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Laura: Hmm.

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Maybe.

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Xhafer: That ambiguous thousand years ago.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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I wonder if that will be part of the plot.

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Huh?

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Laura: I do appreciate that Chambers

actually asked the same question

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at a point, so I think that might

have been JMS, like, nodding to

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us who were saying, Why would

they write these in hieroglyphics?

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Because she kind of asked the same thing.

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She's like, Why did they do that?

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Oh, well, moving on.

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Oh, hey.

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We mentioned that other

aliens had been here.

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Well, Darina is about

to find all the bodies.

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Xhafer: Doreena is crawling

around in some tunnels.

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I think this is a drach skull

that drops out on her by the way

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Laura: That's what Aaron said.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm glad that I wasn't

the only one who thought that.

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I didn't see it on any of the

notes anywhere online, but

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to me it looked like a Drax

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Laura: Why would the Drak have been Were

they just, like, there to deliver the

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shit and maybe some of them got, got, or

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Xhafer: We don't even see them, like,

in the flashback sequence where we learn

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what happened a thousand years ago.

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They're not involved.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Maybe they came here to get it.

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Maybe they knew about it and they

were like, Well, we need this shit.

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Xhafer: yeah, but that has some

other interesting implications.

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Like the entire crew is infected.

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Laura: Huh.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Well, is the virus

still alive on the planet?

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Like, cause all the people who had it

are down in those cryo chambers, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, I would think that if

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just fucking the order of the

story goes in the episode, so

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there's the key caretakers who

are like alive for two years,

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Laura: Uh huh.

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Xhafer: So the virus must still be active.

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Like, because these, they're

pulling someone out every two years.

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Even if it's just like in a small

chunk of the planet or something.

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They're not like out spreading

it around the cities, I guess.

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But,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I would think that any planet

that they go to that was impacted by this

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virus, the virus would still be there.

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That's, it's like not

a normal type of thing,

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Laura: Yeah.

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It is an engineered virus.

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We know that for sure.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: They, you know, they call Earth a

dead world afterwards, not a world we have

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to wait 50 years before we can go back to.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: Which is a thing I've brought up

a few times now, is that they keep going

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to all these worlds that they think the

virus has hit, where everyone's dead.

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And it's just like, you're, you're

just gonna pick up mutated fucking

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strains that make things worse, guys.

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Laura: yeah, yeah, don't go there.

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Yeah, so she finds a weird light

in the hole she's crawling through

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these tunnels in the ground, and

she's like staring at it, but she

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gets called back because of murder.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Dun, dun, duuun.

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Laura: This is weird and rude, which

is pretty much all Eylerson is.

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But he, like, tries to throw Chambers

under the bus, because they're like,

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Oh, you know, this planet was supposed

to be uninhabited, and he's like,

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Well, you know, Chambers must have

gotten her data wrong, and then I made

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a bad call because of her bad data.

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And it's just like,

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Xhafer: Rude.

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Laura: he's so rude.

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He's so rude.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: is accepting responsibility?

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I've worked with this guy.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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So they're investigating some drones

show up while they're investigating,

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and Gideon hops on his space motorbike

to lead them away in an epic chase

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scene that's done entirely in

not the worst CGI of the episode,

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: but second

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Laura: huh.

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Xhafer: Galen comes in to save his

life at the last possible moment.

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Laura: Yeah, I honestly did not

realize until I heard Galen's voice

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that that was his ship coming in.

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Like, it was so hard to like, parse

that CGI visually in my brain.

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I was like, oh, oh, I guess that's Galen.

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Mm

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Xhafer: Galen has decided that he'll

help on this mission, but he's gonna be

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a sassy bitch about it the whole time.

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Which, frankly, same.

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Laura: hmm.

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Xhafer: If you ask me to

move, I'm gonna be like, sure.

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But the price you pay for me helping

you move isn't beer and pizza, it's my

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comments about how heavy that dresser is.

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Laura: Galen is my favorite

energy on this show so

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far.

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Xhafer: For sure.

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Laura: techno mage bitch,

that's what I want.

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Xhafer: Uh, We get a quick scene

with Galen doubling down on not

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teaching Jorana Technomagic.

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Laura: Yeah, I didn't even

know she wanted techno magic.

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Xhafer: I mean, if this was supposed

to be the second episode, then she

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might have asked at some other point

in between Call to Arms and now.

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I mean, to be fair, if I meet a

Technomage, I'm gonna be like,

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hey, you guys like recruiting?

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Laura: Yeah, instantly.

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I like to blow stuff up.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I like being

a terrible menace across the

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galaxy and a sassy bitch.

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So, I mean.

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Laura: I look fantastic in

a robe, I'm just saying.

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Xhafer: Yeah, right?

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I have like three already.

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I'm covered.

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Don't even worry about

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Laura: I'll bring my own.

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BYO robe.

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Xhafer: B Y O R.

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That, that, we got to

get that on a t shirt.

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Um, so Galen summons his homunculus

and sends it down to the uh, planet.

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What follows is The

worst CGI of the episode.

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Laura: Erin said, this is

going to live with me forever.

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I do believe it's at the point,

so, you know, this thing.

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Jaffer, are you familiar with the internet

sensation that is Skibbity Toilet?

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Xhafer: I know it's

something the kids say.

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Laura: It comes from some YouTube

videos that I believe use some of the

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models from like Half Life, Half Life 2.

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Like, those kind of Gary's Mod, um,

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Xhafer: I played those games.

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Laura: yeah.

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the, this thing looks like

Skibbity Toilet Man to me.

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Haha.

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Xhafer: I am, I'm pulling up

Skibbity Toilet right now.

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76?

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It's a series?

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Oh god,

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Laura: Ja'far is making some really

great faces, I just want everyone to

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know since this is not a visual medium.

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But they're very animated.

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Xhafer: I, how is this

a, how is this a series?

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It's 76 episodes?

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What is Okay.

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Okay.

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You know what?

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I would say that the graphics in

this are worse than Skippity Toilet.

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But,

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Laura: Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: you're right, this is like

very Garry's Mod Half Life 2, um, man.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We get to watch the homunculus get

vivisected by the drones and beheaded

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and then like staring out the window

as, as he gets like carted away.

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Xhafer: he just like pops his head in

there and he's like, Oh, don't mind me.

491

Laura: And I guess we see through

the homunculus's eyes because it

492

observes a like graveyard of ships.

493

Xhafer: We recognize some of these ships.

494

Laura: There's the flying saucer.

495

Is that the

496

Vrii?

497

Xhafer: Yeah, there's a Gnarn Destroyer

498

Laura: Uh huh, yeah.

499

Xhafer: Bunch of stuff, it's cool.

500

Laura: Mm hmm.

501

Xhafer: Don't recognize all of

them though, which is also cool.

502

Laura: Yeah.

503

I

504

mean, it's been a thousand years.

505

Xhafer: Yeah, there's some Easter

eggs for races that they're gonna

506

encounter later in here, I bet.

507

At the very least, there were

plans for that for when this show

508

was gonna run for five years.

509

Laura: Right, right.

510

Xhafer: Yep, but it's clear now

that this was all a big ol trap.

511

Laura: And then, at this moment, Darina

chooses to tell everyone about the

512

bodies, which is just chef's kiss.

513

Love it.

514

Dramatic timing.

515

She's got that down.

516

Galen, just give her a job.

517

Come on.

518

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

519

I mean That's like a third

of being a Technomage.

520

But she's real good at that third.

521

Laura: Yeah.

522

I mean, it's important.

523

Xhafer: The dramatic timing.

524

You can't be a Technomage unless

you excel at dramatic timing.

525

Laura: Which she makes that

pointed argument to him here.

526

And they decide to go check out

this, well, I guess maybe send

527

some drones to check out this

power source that she found.

528

Xhafer: Yeah.

529

So they start doing some scans

now that they know where this

530

reactor and all these bodies are.

531

The drones come for the

Excalibur in response.

532

They try to escape.

533

They find out that they're in a

gravity well, keeping them in place.

534

So they send out the fighters to

defend the Excalibur and do a little

535

quick bombing run on the gravity well,

but they don't do any damage and the

536

gravity well just speeds up pulling

them down cause you're fucking with it.

537

Laura: I don't know how

gravity Gravity Wells works.

538

Especially because it's sci fi and

it's whatever we want it to be,

539

right?

540

But, I feel like if the gravity well is

pulling your very large ship down slowly,

541

if you launch fighters into it, aren't

the fighters gonna get pulled down faster?

542

Like,

543

Xhafer: I would imagine that the

only way that this would work is if

544

it's like, The, the, the gravity well

can't be centered on the thing that

545

they're trying to blow up, right?

546

Because if you did that, and

it was pulling things in, the

547

city wouldn't exist anymore,

548

Laura: Oh, yeah,

549

Xhafer: right?

550

So you gotta put the gravity well

that's starting its descent up in the

551

atmosphere somewhere, to impact the

ship, but not the stuff on the surface.

552

Laura: Yeah, okay.

553

Xhafer: then you just kind of like, once

it starts going down, you know, maybe

554

you turn it off, let it go a bit more and

then turn it on behind it or something.

555

Or, you know, there's a couple

of ways you could do it.

556

It might be on the other side of

the ship and it's pushing them down

557

as instead of pulling them down.

558

Laura: Uh Huh.

559

Xhafer: Um, that'd be

another safer way to do it.

560

and where the fighters are would all

be impacted a great deal by this.

561

Also like.

562

It's a lot easier to move a

small thing than a big thing.

563

Laura: Yeah, very

564

Xhafer: You know, like, the energy

required to move the small thing.

565

So the ship, the smaller ships might

be able to escape no problem, and

566

the bigger ship might just be fucked.

567

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

568

If you invite Jaffer to come help

you move, and you don't give him the

569

heavy dresser, you just give him some

of your, like, shoe boxes, you're

570

gonna get a lot less complaining

than with the heavy dresser.

571

Yes.

572

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

573

Xhafer: sitting here thinking

about all the heavy shit he asked

574

me to move last time he moved.

575

Laura: Yeah, so as we were examining

stuff, we also found that it's

576

not just like a power source.

577

There is a whole huge

cryo chamber down there.

578

And there's lots of alive bodies, alive

frozen bodies in this cryo chamber.

579

Xhafer: Yeah, this race

isn't dead, they're napping!

580

Laura: So to be fair,

they, they went to it.

581

They thought they were going to a

dead world, but they actually went to

582

a world that still has people on it.

583

They just haven't done the thing.

584

Xhafer: Yeah, they're just sleeping.

585

Laura: They, they haven't figured it out.

586

So yeah, this wasn't super helpful.

587

Xhafer: They're in a thousand year siesta.

588

I'm here for that.

589

That sounds nice.

590

Laura: that.

591

Yeah, that sounds great.

592

Xhafer: Right?

593

Oh, I'm so tired constantly.

594

Laura: Same.

595

Uh, So yeah, they try to

fire the main guns, right?

596

Xhafer: the main gun does the job.

597

The main gun uh, we see, like, obliterate

the city or whatever, like, it's, it's

598

not looking good down there, we see

the explosion from space so whatever

599

was causing that gravity well stops

fucking causing that gravity well.

600

They stabilize, the ships stop attacking,

and then the ship gets scanned.

601

And they note that the computer bases

have been, databases have been downloaded.

602

Laura: Uh Huh.

603

Yeah.

604

Like everything all at once.

605

Xhafer: And then a moment

later they get hailed

606

Laura: They get like a

hollow transmission, right?

607

Xhafer: yeah, they got that thing

from the Bridge of Defiant that

608

they only used for three episodes.

609

They get that installed over here.

610

Laura: Very nice.

611

Xhafer: Yeah.

612

The thing that lets Cisco yell at

Eddington in person and then it was never

613

used again, except once by Golducott.

614

That one.

615

Yeah.

616

Those actors have chemistry.

617

You want to let them do it.

618

It's I get it.

619

Laura: Mm hmm.

620

You just gotta write it in

somehow, you know, sometimes.

621

Xhafer: and this is where we learn

that this planet was attacked by the

622

shadows during the last great war.

623

Laura: Yeah, it was the

shadows, not the Drak.

624

Xhafer: yep.

625

And we see shadow, we see

spider ships and all that stuff.

626

They're spreading the plague, they're

doing the thing, and then they peace.

627

Cause they're just gonna use

this world as a base later.

628

They'll get around to it, and

then they never got around to it.

629

Laura: Yeah.

630

Xhafer: How are the crew of the

Excalibur not infected right now?

631

Laura: like from being on that planet?

632

Yeah,

633

I mean, I guess you could,

like, argue that the virus

634

is only present in the hosts.

635

Mm hmm.

636

and we're not exposed to any

of the hosts at this point.

637

Xhafer: Okay, so what about all

those bodies Doreena was around?

638

Laura: I just assumed

the drones killed them.

639

Xhafer: Now, no one, the

caretaker didn't go inspect and

640

do some science or something?

641

Laura: No, I was thinking

they all got, like, vivisected

642

by the, by the drone thingy.

643

Xhafer: Okay.

644

Laura: Some of them beheaded,

some of them taken away.

645

And then, of course, there's

the ones you don't need.

646

You just shoot those guys, right?

647

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah.

648

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

649

That's, that's my

headcanon to make it work.

650

Xhafer: Okay.

651

Laura: Even though we know that's

not necessarily how viruses work.

652

Xhafer: Yeah, so they did not have

much along the lines of space travel.

653

So they did not have the option of

going and exploring like Earth does?

654

Laura: which is weird.

655

We have this power that could

revolutionize our propulsion,

656

but we don't do space?

657

Xhafer: Well, that's the thing,

is they only had half of those

658

equations written out, remember?

659

They were, there was,

nothing was complete.

660

So, so it's probably just bullshit.

661

That was my assumption.

662

Laura: Yeah, just to like get people

to stay long enough to get guided?

663

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

664

Laura: Hm.

665

Okay.

666

Xhafer: Yeah, it's all like, here

is the secret of the universe.

667

All you have to do is follow these

42 steps, and then it stops at 7, and

668

then you have to find the rest of the

missing tablet, but it's not there.

669

Laura: Here's something I want

to point out about all these

670

dead worlds we've been to.

671

Xhafer: Yeah, let's hear it.

672

Laura: Are all these races literally just

like one type of being on the planet?

673

We have no animals, we have no

reptiles, we have no mammals,

674

we have no other things.

675

Xhafer: I think the implication

is that the Drak Plague will

676

kill all life on the planet,

677

not just humans.

678

Um, but some of these worlds, that

is 100 percent a fair criticism of.

679

Laura: Yeah, like, I mean, it would

be so much more interesting to

680

be like, well there's, you know.

681

These, a whole bunch of different

types of lizards and fish or something,

682

but there's no mammals and no,

683

uh, You know, I'm, I'm using

our human terms, but you

684

could, you can science that.

685

You can make it happen.

686

Xhafer: The logical leap is there.

687

Laura: Yeah.

688

Yeah.

689

And then that would be a lot more

dangerous too, because the virus could be

690

like dormant and some of those things, but

691

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

692

So since they don't have the ability

to travel out, they were planning on

693

luring people in and just vivisecting

them until they found a cure.

694

And this has not gone well.

695

They've been doing this

for a thousand years.

696

And had no luck.

697

Laura: Nothing is working.

698

So he has a deal for Gideon.

699

He says, you know, if you will

Share anything that you find out

700

there with us, we'll share anything

that we find down here with you.

701

Xhafer: Yeah.

702

We clearly have super advanced cryogenic

technology that might be worthwhile.

703

That we didn't have to kill a bunch

of people for, but you know, whatever.

704

Laura: Yeah, I mean.

705

Xhafer: Gideon is just not interested.

706

Laura: Yeah.

707

He's, he's being very lawful something.

708

Xhafer: Yeah.

709

You know, just like, no, that's

no, all that Nazi science that

710

you guys got to progress medicine.

711

We can't, we can't use any of that.

712

Sorry.

713

Um, you're just going to have

to live with what you've done.

714

And if we find the cure, we'll

bring it to you so that you can

715

stand trial for your crimes.

716

Laura: Yeah, a whole civilization that

needs to stand trial for its crimes.

717

I, I just feel like there's some

people in there who maybe didn't.

718

Have any choices at all?

719

Xhafer: Presumably.

720

Somewhere in the billion.

721

Laura: Yeah.

722

Yeah.

723

Do they say how many are down there?

724

Xhafer: All we get is billions with an S.

725

Laura: Okay.

726

Xhafer: Which would lead me to

believe it's under 10 over 1.

727

Laura: Sure.

728

Yeah.

729

Eilerson hates this.

730

He whines about being ethical when

we're just trying to learn stuff.

731

Xhafer: It's like, we didn't actually kill

these people in the last thousand years.

732

Like, we can learn from this

that they're already dead.

733

You know?

734

It's like, that's Fair, that's mental

gymnastics, but it is, it is a viewpoint.

735

Laura: Yeah, that's rough.

736

I don't know.

737

I don't know what you're supposed to do.

738

Xhafer: well I mean, there's a lot of

people who have done terrible shit like

739

this in human history and advanced,

advanced medical science in ways that

740

we wouldn't have otherwise for it.

741

Which fucking sucks.

742

Laura: Amen.

743

Xhafer: Yep.

744

Anyways uh, they leave and they

meet up with a white star, uh,

745

with more potential stops on their

Dead Worlds of the Galaxy tour.

746

Laura: Yeah, we're just gonna

keep hitting that button.

747

Xhafer: Right?

748

Just continuing more, more dead worlds.

749

Galen quotes Job

750

Laura: Yeah, we nailed

this one on the quiz.

751

Xhafer: Yeah, good job.

752

I, I was just gonna pick a random.

753

Maybe, like, you got this.

754

Laura: Yeah.

755

I don't really remember what this quote

from Job was about exactly, though.

756

I don't know.

757

Job

758

was like, Job was like tested by

the Lord or something, I think.

759

I don't know.

760

I'm really the wrong person

to be asking Bible stuff.

761

Like, I feel like every other Oklahoman,

well, except for Aaron excluded, he

762

didn't have to do it, but there's

a big contingent of, religions or

763

Christian denominations here that

like make their children memorize

764

the Bible as they're growing up.

765

And that was not a thing

in my household and family.

766

And so every time people are

like referencing stuff, I'm just

767

like, I, I don't know, it's all

weird and interpreted weirdly.

768

Xhafer: hm.

769

I mean, if, if you, if you made me guess,

I would be like, is that, is that the

770

one where he made him kill his sons?

771

Was that the thing?

772

Hm hm.

773

That's in there somewhere, right?

774

Laura: Yeah.

775

We're always killing sons in the

776

Xhafer: Right?

777

There's a lot of that.

778

Yeah.

779

Anyways Darina and Galen

talk briefly as he leaves.

780

Galen is kind of like, Hey, where'd

you find out about this place?

781

It wasn't in the ranger reports.

782

He's like, don't you

fucking worry about it.

783

And then he goes and talks

to the apocalypse box,

784

Laura: Uh Huh, magic box again.

785

Xhafer: right?

786

Which we found out on the

discord is voiced by the actor

787

who plays Gideon, which is fun.

788

Laura: Yeah.

789

Just like distorted.

790

Xhafer: Yeah.

791

Laura: So he's just talking to himself.

792

That's why he talks to the box so good.

793

Xhafer: Yeah.

794

it's got that natural discourse.

795

Laura: He likes scolds the box a

little bit for making a bad choice,

796

I thought was very

797

funny.

798

Yeah.

799

Come in, come and get me Gideon.

800

Xhafer: Right.

801

I'm a box.

802

What are you going to do?

803

Punch me, you dumb bitch.

804

Laura: So this box has, has been wrong.

805

And this box has also, like,

told us not to trust Galen, who

806

seems pretty cool in my opinion.

807

So, I don't know how I feel about the box.

808

As much as I like the box,

I also don't like the box.

809

Xhafer: I am not on team box right now.

810

Laura: Boo box!

811

Xhafer: Boo box.

812

Maybe we'll change later after we get

more than three lines of dialogue out of

813

it or learn anything about it whatsoever.

814

But until then, boo.

815

Laura: The box just got me so good when

it came out of nowhere at the end of that

816

one episode I was like, fucking box, yes.

817

Xhafer: Well, you rated that

episode high because of that.

818

And this is the end of this episode.

819

So we have to hear, does the

box save this episode, Laura?

820

On a scale of one to four main guns,

where are you putting the would be pilot?

821

Laura: I mean, I have to give

it The, the boost of crackin me

822

up with that fuckin homunculus.

823

So, the last two episodes, you know,

I, I was crackin up at Apocalypse Box.

824

And then, what was the previous episode?

825

Oh, the space porn.

826

That got me really

827

good.

828

Like, just tickled the ol

funny bone really, really good.

829

Then you give me Skippity Toilet

Homunculus, and I'm just rolling.

830

So, I mean, sure, whatever,

it's like three main guns, cool.

831

Like, I think this actually wouldn't

have been a terrible pilot, cause you get

832

like, some reference to Babylon 5 in the

833

opening.

834

Xhafer: Yeah.

835

Yeah.

836

Laura: Like,

837

Xhafer: do think this actually

would be a strong pilot, but

838

it is a miserable not pilot.

839

Laura: Uh Huh.

840

Xhafer: I would rather have just watched

Deathwalker, which asks a lot of similar

841

questions in a much more poignant way.

842

Laura: Sure, yeah, yeah.

843

That's the last time we had

this big conversation, isn't it?

844

Xhafer: Yeah,

845

Laura: Yeah.

846

Xhafer: so.

847

Yeah, if you want to hear me

ramble about Nazi scientists

848

a bunch, go ahead Deathwalker.

849

I'm sure I did it there, I

850

don't remember, it was years ago.

851

Laura: Hey, I have a question.

852

Xhafer: what's up?

853

Laura: What if we'd taken some

of that science from Deathwalker?

854

Do you think, do you think we might

855

Xhafer: Cures all diseases, right?

856

Laura: a cure for the Trach Plague?

857

Xhafer: I think they would have.

858

Yeah.

859

Laura: Oh no.

860

Xhafer: Well, I mean, the whole

thing with that episode was you had

861

to like melt people and take the

essence of their life or whatever,

862

but it wasn't just something

you could make, you had to

863

like actively kill people.

864

Laura: you had to have

sacrifices and stuff.

865

Yeah.

866

But you'd have a cure

for the drach plague.

867

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

868

Laura: Oh no.

869

Hmm.

870

Asking that question at some point

would have been more interesting.

871

I don't know how they would get there.

872

Like, maybe they find a Dilgar

world or something, but.

873

Xhafer: The death Walker to

death Walker juniors hanging out.

874

Like, yeah, I don't know.

875

Laura: Didn't the Earth

government take her?

876

Away?

877

Xhafer: tried

878

Laura: They tried, but the Vorlons

879

Xhafer: four lawns.

880

Yeah.

881

For our loans were like, fuck y'all

882

Laura: Yeah.

883

Xhafer: as they tend to do.

884

Laura: Shouldn't we go

to the Vorlon world?

885

Xhafer: No one can for a thousand

886

Laura: Oh,

887

Xhafer: limits.

888

Otherwise, Lita will melt your brains.

889

Laura: Yeah.

890

Okay.

891

All right.

892

JMS knew I was gonna ask.

893

Damn it.

894

Xhafer: Right.

895

Laura: Lita, what's, no,

Lita's dead now, isn't she?

896

Xhafer: I think Lita is dead by this

897

Laura: Okay.

898

I was like, I feel like Lita

could be really helpful.

899

She should show up in Crusade, but

900

Xhafer: The, the, the telepath

the telepath troubles have

901

happened at this point.

902

The unpleasantness, as

they call it in Ireland.

903

Uh, the, the telepath Unpleasantness.

904

Laura: never,

905

shown anywhere and not

described in the books.

906

Yeah.

907

Yeah.

908

Xhafer: I, I, I get wanting to save

it, to make it a thing, but also.

909

Because it was saved so much to

make it a thing, it was never a

910

Laura: Yeah.

911

Yeah.

912

It's like the, the dress you have in your

closet that you never wear because you're

913

waiting for the right moment to wear it.

914

Xhafer: Yeah.

915

Laura: And then you never wear it.

916

Yeah.

917

I'm sure you know how that feels.

918

Yeah.

919

Xhafer: maybe a tie.

920

You know, not quite the same,

but same, same, but different.

921

Laura: Yeah.

922

Xhafer: Um, I got to imagine

if we get a B5 reboot and

923

it's like the five season arc,

924

Laura: Mm hmm.

925

It's gotta

926

be in there, right?

927

Xhafer: it's, that, that has to be season

five instead of the telepath crisis,

928

Laura: Yeah.

929

Instead

930

of

931

Byron.

932

Xhafer: Yeah.

933

Laura: Do you think he

would scrap Byron entirely?

934

I think he might.

935

Mm hmm.

936

Xhafer: I think you would, yeah.

937

I think in hindsight, that whole,

that whole thing gets axed.

938

Laura: Yeah.

939

Xhafer: Maybe it's an episode.

940

Laura: Yeah.

941

Like, we're in a new world, I think.

942

You gotta let

943

some of that

944

Xhafer: sure.

945

In fact, I would love it if there

was a, like, telepath leader and a

946

similar kind of thing and it takes

place over an episode and at the

947

end you find out his name was Byron.

948

A plus, no notes, but I know, I know

JMS isn't listening to this podcast, so

949

we can, we can pitch story ideas here.

950

It's a safe space.

951

Laura: it's a safe space.

952

He's never coming.

953

Xhafer: No, that's fine.

954

Laura: That is fine.

955

Xhafer: I don't know that I want him to.

956

I don't want the pressure

957

of knowing that he

listens to this podcast,

958

dear God.

959

I can't imagine what it's like over

on Gray17 getting the occasional at.

960

No thanks.

961

Nope, I'm happy here.

962

I'm happy being a fly

on the wall, thank you.

963

Laura: I'd feel embarrassed.

964

I'd be like, man, I probably

said something mean.

965

Oh no.

966

Xhafer: We've made so many stupid dick and

fart jokes about his masterpiece of art.

967

Right.

968

Laura: Yeah, it's all,

it's all crude over here.

969

Xhafer: That's just how we do.

970

Laura: Yeah, that's the, that's

the world I want to live in though.

971

I don't want to take myself too seriously.

972

Xhafer: I think we fill an important

space in the Babylon 5 podcasting.

973

What's the French word that

I'm looking for right now?

974

All encompassing over, is that it?

975

Laura: I was just going to say, like,

976

environment.

977

Xhafer: Yeah.

978

ecosystem,

979

Laura: ecosystem, yes.

980

Xhafer: Yeah.

981

Yeah.

982

Like, there's, there's like your,

your, your plants that, you know, kind

983

of feed everyone else, you know, like

your, your, your older podcasts and

984

you got your newer podcasts that are

like animals walking around, right.

985

And then you got, you're

like, you're really focused.

986

Like Baz is over there doing like

super high end critical analysis

987

stuff, you know, Yum Yum gets into

some of that too, you know, like really

988

like, I think they're like the birds,

989

Laura: Mm.

990

Yeah, okay.

991

Okay.

992

Xhafer: And we are like

the dung beetle, right?

993

Laura: Yeah.

994

So important, though.

995

Like, you can't have an

ecosystem without it.

996

Xhafer: Right, but we smell bad.

997

We, no one likes us.

998

We make stupid jokes, but

we're happy, and that's

999

all

00:45:12,515 --> 00:45:12,745

Laura: hmm.

00:45:13,065 --> 00:45:13,385

Mm

00:45:13,385 --> 00:45:13,845

hmm.

00:45:13,845 --> 00:45:14,255

Yeah.

00:45:15,225 --> 00:45:16,255

And we survive.

00:45:16,475 --> 00:45:17,015

Mm hmm.

00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:17,760

Xhafer: Right.

00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,130

Speaking of surviving, what, assuming

everything goes well on our travels.

00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:25,960

Yikes.

00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,400

Okay, maybe that's too dark.

00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:30,240

Maybe I crossed a line there.

00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,431

Let's cut that and find

00:45:32,745 --> 00:45:34,435

Laura: I don't know, I'm on a Boeing, so

00:45:34,895 --> 00:45:35,645

pray for me.

00:45:37,715 --> 00:45:43,025

Xhafer: So next up we got episode 12

next week, visitors from down the street.

00:45:43,645 --> 00:45:47,706

Um, speaking of which uh, speaking of

coming episodes, we didn't even say it.

00:45:47,736 --> 00:45:51,486

Uh, Scott had a last minute emergency and

wasn't able to join us from gray 17 today.

00:45:51,936 --> 00:45:56,376

Um, we did advertise that we did

say that, um, he'll be joining us

00:45:56,416 --> 00:45:58,136

on an episode in a couple of weeks.

00:45:58,136 --> 00:45:58,926

We're rescheduling.

00:45:59,046 --> 00:46:00,166

We haven't figured it out yet.

00:46:00,546 --> 00:46:03,246

But we hope everyone over

there is doing great.

00:46:03,556 --> 00:46:05,356

Um, and feeling better soon.

00:46:05,511 --> 00:46:05,731

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:06,188 --> 00:46:10,798

Hey, maybe he'll want the, the

upcoming next episode, which

00:46:10,798 --> 00:46:12,888

I believe we nailed it again

00:46:13,558 --> 00:46:20,108

on the quiz, because this was

an episode homaging the X Files.

00:46:20,913 --> 00:46:25,093

Xhafer: Yes, this is episode 12 visitors

from down the street to persecuted.

00:46:25,518 --> 00:46:31,258

Alien investigators based on FBI agents

Mulder and Scully from the X Files believe

00:46:31,268 --> 00:46:33,528

that Earth is covertly invading them.

00:46:34,593 --> 00:46:36,163

Laura: Where are you getting

that description from?

00:46:36,163 --> 00:46:38,213

That was not the iTunes description.

00:46:39,058 --> 00:46:41,408

Xhafer: Um, moviedp.

00:46:41,408 --> 00:46:41,778

org?

00:46:41,803 --> 00:46:42,323

Laura: Okay.

00:46:42,563 --> 00:46:42,873

Yeah.

00:46:42,913 --> 00:46:46,313

Mulder and Scully were not

specifically mentioned in

00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,818

Xhafer: Oh, in mind

they, they were in mind.

00:46:48,838 --> 00:46:49,438

That's fun.

00:46:49,723 --> 00:46:50,053

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:50,123 --> 00:46:50,443

That is

00:46:50,458 --> 00:46:52,658

Xhafer: So yeah, maybe, maybe

Scut will join us next week.

00:46:52,658 --> 00:46:56,538

Probably not though, because I

think next week we're Recording in

00:46:56,833 --> 00:46:58,253

Laura: Oh, that's right.

00:46:58,373 --> 00:47:00,083

You had that brilliant idea.

00:47:00,838 --> 00:47:04,448

Xhafer: We are bringing the recording

set up to Star Trek, Las Vegas with us.

00:47:04,628 --> 00:47:09,418

And for the very first time,

we will be in the same room in

00:47:09,418 --> 00:47:11,358

the same state recording, let

00:47:11,373 --> 00:47:13,563

Laura: God, that's so weird.

00:47:14,253 --> 00:47:14,343

I

00:47:14,343 --> 00:47:15,993

hope it doesn't kill the podcast.

00:47:18,248 --> 00:47:20,658

Xhafer: I don't think it

will kill the podcast.

00:47:20,748 --> 00:47:21,838

I think we'll be fine.

00:47:22,748 --> 00:47:28,453

Um, I mean, we already rely on

video when we record a great deal

00:47:28,563 --> 00:47:32,913

to read each other's facial cues

and context and stuff to make a

00:47:32,913 --> 00:47:34,113

more natural flow of conversation.

00:47:34,113 --> 00:47:36,683

So I don't expect it to be weird.

00:47:36,883 --> 00:47:39,313

The only thing will be weird will be

the first time I've ever podcasted

00:47:39,323 --> 00:47:41,653

wearing pants, but we'll get over that.

00:47:45,148 --> 00:47:46,038

Laura: just bring you a dress.

00:47:46,038 --> 00:47:47,148

You don't have to wear pants.

00:47:47,483 --> 00:47:48,243

Xhafer: thanks.

00:47:49,328 --> 00:47:49,628

Laura: Let's

00:47:49,628 --> 00:47:49,958

not go

00:47:50,063 --> 00:47:50,923

Xhafer: bring one of my own.

00:47:50,923 --> 00:47:51,453

It's fine.

00:47:51,973 --> 00:47:54,838

Um, Yeah, no, so it'll be next episode.

00:47:55,038 --> 00:47:58,368

Uh, We will be recording in

person at Star Trek Las Vegas.

00:47:59,182 --> 00:47:59,892

that'll be fun.

00:48:00,017 --> 00:48:00,577

Laura: can't wait.

00:48:01,402 --> 00:48:01,872

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:01,922 --> 00:48:04,042

Uh, Just like, I can't

wait to say thank you.

00:48:05,042 --> 00:48:05,602

Thank you.

00:48:05,652 --> 00:48:07,652

Jeremy Siegel for our lovely theme music.

00:48:07,702 --> 00:48:09,132

Is Jeremy going STLV?

00:48:09,507 --> 00:48:13,497

Laura: No, he has a big trip for something

else planned later this year, so.

00:48:13,712 --> 00:48:14,122

Xhafer: Okay.

00:48:14,422 --> 00:48:14,812

Bummer.

00:48:15,242 --> 00:48:16,082

That would have been fun.

00:48:16,142 --> 00:48:17,232

Would have been cool hangs.

00:48:17,237 --> 00:48:17,657

Laura: I know.

00:48:18,542 --> 00:48:21,332

Xhafer: Um, but yeah thank you,

Jeremy, so much for our theme music.

00:48:21,392 --> 00:48:23,232

Maybe next year we'll see you at STLV.

00:48:23,322 --> 00:48:26,337

But if not Uh, you can find more

of Jeremy's work at JeremySiegel42.

00:48:26,627 --> 00:48:27,167

bandcamp.

00:48:27,167 --> 00:48:30,647

com and in streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

00:48:30,937 --> 00:48:33,217

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

00:48:33,227 --> 00:48:34,677

for our podcast artwork.

00:48:35,247 --> 00:48:37,567

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this podcast.

00:48:37,567 --> 00:48:40,957

I'm still apologizing for that

last episode and that massive

00:48:40,977 --> 00:48:42,637

bit I made you do at the end.

00:48:43,137 --> 00:48:45,567

Really appreciate all that

time I made you put in there.

00:48:45,747 --> 00:48:46,947

Laura: I think it was fun, though.

00:48:46,977 --> 00:48:48,277

I think he had fun with it.

00:48:48,617 --> 00:48:49,097

We'll see.

00:48:49,967 --> 00:48:53,067

And thank you to you, the

listener, for putting up with

00:48:53,067 --> 00:48:54,707

another episode of Crusade.

00:48:54,767 --> 00:48:55,987

I hope you enjoyed it.

00:48:56,017 --> 00:48:59,657

I hope you had a good laugh at

Skibbity Toilet Man, like I did.

00:49:00,347 --> 00:49:03,707

Because you just gotta, like, look

at the show a little less seriously.

00:49:04,877 --> 00:49:05,307

Xhafer: sure.

00:49:06,245 --> 00:49:06,635

All right.

00:49:06,655 --> 00:49:08,085

Well, we'll see you next week, internet.

00:49:08,645 --> 00:49:09,355

Laura: Bye!

00:49:27,475 --> 00:49:29,285

Xhafer: I am going to go watch

some more Skibbity Toilet though.