Saving Our Community - The Antidote for Anger with Guest Robert Dean Bell

In this episode of Prisoner's Pardon Podcast, host Michi J discusses the pervasive issue of anger in society and its connection to imprisonment. The guest, Robert Dean Bell, a Milwaukee pastor and author of the book '80 Barry White Voices,' shares his transformative journey from a life of violence, anger, and imprisonment to one of forgiveness. Bell recounts the pivotal moments of forgiving the murderer of his brother, reconciling with his mother, and emphasizing the power of forgiveness in changing his life and others. Their conversation delves into how to forgive and the mental, spiritual, and emotional impact of genuine forgiveness, urging listeners to embrace forgiveness as a means to heal and move forward in life.

00:00 Introduction - The Dangerous Impacts of Anger

00:39 Understanding Anger in Society

01:12 The Role of Forgiveness

01:52 Guest Introduction: Robert Dean

02:25 Robert Dean's Journey and Book

04:00 Tragic Loss and the Antidote Forgiveness

08:19 Healing and How it then Transforms and Reconciles Relationships

14:15 The Power of Forgiveness

29:50 The Power of Forgiveness

30:56 Personal Struggles and Redemption

32:03 A Life Changed

33:04 The Impact of True Forgiveness

36:08 The Journey to Self-Forgiveness

38:18 Embracing a New Path

40:12 Overcoming Challenges

43:08 The Rewards of Letting Go

45:36 Final Reflections and Encouragement

Guest Information:

Book: Eighty Barry White Voices: Bell Sr., Robert Dean: 9798884767584: Amazon.com: Books

Church: Milwaukee Campus - Life Church (churchcenter.com)

Hello everyone.

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And welcome to a

prisoner's part in podcast.

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I'm your host Meechie J.

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I'm sure everyone has heard about the

latest incident of a shooting in Georgia.

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This is where a young person.

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Took upon himself to, kill a

number of his fellow classmates.

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What is all of us stemming from?

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I say it's anger.

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We're seeing so much anger in our society.

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We see it in road rage.

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We see it in offices.

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We see it at home.

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Work.

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We're see it.

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Our church.

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We're seeing it in ourselves.

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We're just seeing it everywhere.

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And this is what leads

to why a lot of people.

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Are in prison.

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And when even when they get out,

they're still having this anger.

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So, what do we do about this?

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That is what a prisoner's

pardon podcast is all about.

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It's about a pardon?

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A pardon is an act of forgiveness.

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And that's how we counteract anger.

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We do it with forgiveness.

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I'm pretty sure most of us have been told.

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We need to forget.

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But.

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Did they tell you how to do it?

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Did they explain to you that.

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Forgiven someone doesn't necessarily

mean that there's no accountability.

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We're going to be talking about how

to forgive someone for one of the most

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hardest things to forgive a person for.

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Today we're going to

have as a guest is Mr.

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Robert Dean.

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, he is a Milwaukee native.

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He is a, a O D a counselor.

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He's actually now a pastor as well.

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He's a husband, father.

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Business owner, and now he is an author

and we're going to be talking to him

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about his book because he does talk about

forgiveness . Welcome pastor bell.

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How you doing?

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Me I'm doing great.

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I have you now on the show with

me to talk about your new book.

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80 Barry white voices, I want you

to go into detail about the title.

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You guys, I have the book and I've already

read it and I just highly recommend it to

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the audience because it's going to give

you a good insight , just a lot of things

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in life and how you can overcome it.

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But let's tell us more about you.

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Oh, well, my, my name is Robert bill.

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Like you said, I'm born and raised here.

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, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at

the moment, I'm a pastor.

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I'm the pastor of light church,

Milwaukee here on 56 and burlock.

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I'm a proud and happy husband, uh,

Latrice bill, , seven children.

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Um, just, a new life.

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Oh, yeah.

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I know it's a new life

because I read your book.

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I went through everything and, , yes,

it's definitely a new life and looking

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at you now, most people wouldn't think

that you've been there, but I'm here

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to tell you, no, that's not the case.

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Yes.

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But tell us more about.

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Why did you name the book

80 Barry White Voices?

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I named the book 80 Barry White

Voices because it is what I heard.

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It was the voice of God

that, that changed my life.

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And it's really not giving it away.

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You can still get the book and

you're gonna be like blown away.

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But it was, it was what I heard from God.

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And it sounded like.

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80 barely white voices and

everybody know barely white.

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He was a singer.

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He had a real deep voice, you know,

and I'm talking about it was 80, but

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it was a gentle 80, very white voices

that I heard that changed my life.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Tell us more about, , I know we

don't want to give the book away,

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but, , we had a tragic thing happen.

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You're leaving.

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It was your younger brother.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cause you're the oldest, right?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And he got killed and you had to go

to court and you spoke some about

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forgiving the killer of your brother

, just enlighten us a little bit more.

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What led to that?

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Oh, well, I was in prison.

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I was getting out two weeks later and

you know, when you go on a journey, see

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if you can just keep being a knucklehead

or you can get to catch yourself.

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But I've always been a cat that

was curious about books and getting

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around people that were knowledgeable.

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I always hunt around the older crowd,

even though I was street, straight street.

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Um, this is one of those times.

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It's like, man, I gotta

get my head together, man.

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And I was getting out two weeks later.

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I remember I was getting out February

28th and my brother was murdered

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February 12th and it happened.

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And this is when I was like coming

deep out of the game, you know, things

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were changing in my life, um, for

a point because I went back, but.

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At that moment in my life, God had

been speaking to me like I just didn't

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want to be in the streets no more.

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I was like, I want to be a grown man.

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I want to do grown man things.

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And once I get, I got that news

February 12th, they called me,

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um, to the office that night.

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You know, usually they wait, they

don't tell you nothing because

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they don't want no riots to

take place and nobody go crazy.

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So they'll wait till everybody

go to sleep or whatever.

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But this particular day, it was early.

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Time and they called me down and said,

um, that my brother was murdered, you

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know, uh, at a, at a local, at a bar.

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And there was over a girl, the other

guy, girl liked it, my brother.

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And it was, it was crazy.

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It was just, it made me so mad, but

once I, uh, but I just stayed positive.

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Did I want to kill dude?

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Did I want to go back to the old life?

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Absolutely.

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But it was like, God had his

hands on me and, um, I got out.

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Then they, I think they finally found

him weeks later and, um, probably a

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month, a couple of months out after I

got, I don't know, in Tennessee, brought

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him back and he was, uh, facing trial.

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Wow.

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That happened pretty quick.

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You know, a lot of times they don't

find the person so now did you know him?

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No, I, most of his family though,

everybody was like, yeah, I was pretty

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known in the streets, even to this day.

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And, um, I walked in, our family

sitting on this side, and they

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family sitting on this side.

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And there was, uh, it was like, it was

a few cats like, Oh, what's up, babes?

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I was like, hey, what's up, man?

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And it was crazy.

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They didn't even know how to feel.

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And, and I, you know, I sat on the side

with my family, and we went from there.

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And, um, just remember my family going up.

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And everybody was like, you need to, I

hope you suffer, you know, stuff like

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that, but I, I didn't feel none of that.

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I was, I was.

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I didn't, I couldn't

even explain the feeling.

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God had me at peace.

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He already told me what to say.

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And, um, I knew I had to be

opposite of what was being said.

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And so when I got on the stand, I talked

about my brother and how much I love them.

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And you know, a little stuff when

we was kids, cause I watched all of

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them, you know, I'm the oldest out

of five boys and one girl, um, I told

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them, I said, man, I miss my brother.

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Then at one point I just looked at him.

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I said, man, look, I forgive you, man.

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And I was like, why are you in there?

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I was like, you know,

getting your word, man.

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I said, get in your word.

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I was like, cause Christ

is your only hope.

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And I said, he gonna, he is peace, man.

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Cause you're going to need a man.

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And I was like, God bless you, brother.

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And that was it.

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I walked off court and people

were stopping me and like, man,

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like the lawyer, that was, it

was a lawyer sitting in there.

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She was like, I never heard

nobody, you know, do that.

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And you can feel the power of forgiveness.

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In the room, it wasn't just forgiveness,

but it was the power of interesting , I

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like what you said about, it's a power

in the room was filled with it and God

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was working on you and you couldn't have

done that in my estimation by yourself.

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Is that correct?

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That is correct.

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So you said God was doing,

a work on you, right?

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Yeah.

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I've noticed because of going

through forgiveness myself, that

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this work that he's doing inside.

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Is.

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Where he shows you yourself.

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The work he's doing is where

he's showing you your real self.

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And where you.

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Actually our.

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In life in a lot of times

because of what's going on,

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the speed of what's going on.

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You never really sit down.

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And get a chance to

really look at yourself.

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And you can't.

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Really look at yourself, how you

need to, unless you have help.

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For instance, to look at

yourself, you need a mirror.

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And when God is working on you

at this point, He is showing.

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The inside of you.

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That's part of the work that he's doing.

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In that's needed when

you're going through.

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This process of forgiveness.

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Where he has to help you.

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So You tell him getting your word while

you in there is something you had to do or

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you were doing that prepared you for this.

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So it's a place you have been yourself.

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So you kind of saw

yourself in that person.

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A lot of us think that when we're better

than other people at times and we forget.

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So God has a way of bringing

us back to our senses.

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, so to speak, , and getting us in that

place and where we can see ourselves and,

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, I see your, I know this is a podcast

and people can't see right now and it's

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a powerful moment right now for you.

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Uh, you're reflecting on

that in the power of guys.

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So looking at your

character from before and.

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What you did then was

is totally different.

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It was not the same person.

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Yeah, people like people used to be my

mom's, you know, it hurted my heart.

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Once I got saved, you know, you

know, I accepted Christ in my

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life and I have to both feet in.

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I had a my mind was made up.

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It was I was done and I made my mind

up and man, it transformed my heart.

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I made up mine is powerful and I was done.

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But I but You know, making

up your mind, um, got me into

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relationships that were broken.

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Got me back into relationships

that were broken.

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And it was my mother, you

know, I was the oldest.

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So she would tell me secrets and

stuff when we was little, you

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know, in abusive relationships.

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So I knew how to get out the

house and all that type of stuff.

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Like who to call and stuff, but

all that stopped in my old life.

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But now when I got.

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Back into relationship with my mom's,

you know, until my once I got my life

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right with Christ, my mom started

opening it back up again to me because

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they're all less taken from me.

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So we share things.

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And one day we were sitting in our

house one day and I guess the old

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picture came up and she was like, yeah.

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And then all my guys,

everybody said the same thing.

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They was like, man, they was like, man,

cast was scared when you came around, man.

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It was like, and my mama opened

up her mouth and said, me too.

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She was like, I should

be scared of you, man.

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That broke my heart, man.

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I was like, I didn't even know.

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Cause I used to snap, you

know, I used to go crazy, man.

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You know, not meeting my real father.

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Everybody else had an opportunity for

that in my family, but I was really hurt

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over the years and never met my real

father and I should take it out on my

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mom's, you know, we throw dope together.

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Uh, just, she was a young mother.

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She was 21 with six kids.

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I had to think back.

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I was like, wow.

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I said 21 with six kids and I

actually when she was saying she

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was like, no, I love my kids.

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But what I'm saying is that she

opened up and when she said that

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to me, it broke my heart, man.

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She said she was scared of me.

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And I, I seen that times,

you know, I saw it.

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I never put my hands on my mother, but

the way I would, you know, flex up.

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Like, cause I ain't no little guy,

the way I would flex up and, and the

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whole house would clear or wherever

I was, people would just clear

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out cause I had this anger, man.

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And when she said that,

that broke my heart.

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And that was afterwards, right?

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No, this was before, like,

before I got saved, like.

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Okay.

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Yeah, so when I got saved,

she opened back up to me.

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You know, when you, when you cussing your

mother out, being crazy, acting crazy

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and all that, your parents shut down on

you, you know, they, they start revealing

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things that they have for you, you

know, and um, All that shut down on me.

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And so now that I'm saying my mother, we

talk, it's just like, I'm a kid again.

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She opened up by, she tells me if she

had just called me, like, guess what?

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You know, that, that Avenue has been

opened up, but when you disrespectful to

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your parents, which is an authoritative

level, them doors close on you.

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So a lot of kids out here are

missing out on value, value, valuable

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conversations because of the disrespect.

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And I want to, , just actually

refer that back to forgiveness

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and it's, , reconciliation,

, reconciling those relationships.

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And like you just said, if you don't have

that forgiveness, there's no opening,

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there's no intimate conversations.

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And you I believe you were having

those intimate conversations

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while you were in prison with God.

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And to be able to forgive, you

have to not just know about God.

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You have to know God and have

those intimate conversations.

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And, um, so many of us miss that because

I've seen where he's more apt to listen

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to us than we are to talk to him.

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And being who he is.

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, that's a great opportunity.

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And It's valuable.

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He's the creator of the universe and

he's opening up opportunities for us to

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have these conversations with him and.

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And that was, that was a significant thing

you did and it showed that, that there

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was things going on that you were , in

the business of renewing your mind.

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Yeah.

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Because I was looking into this lately

about transforming and renewing your mind.

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You have to be.

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First transform before you

can even renew your mind.

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So now you're doing this and renewing

your mind was part of Lee, how

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you were able to forgive exactly.

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And then it was so powerful.

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I believe it's, it's, it's.

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It's still having an impact just like

now our, our conversation now, and

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I'm pretty sure everybody that was

in that courtroom was impacted by it

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because you don't see that every day.

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So they're still being impacted by it.

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I'm pretty sure they told

somebody and what you did was.

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Very, um, that was, it was God in

that room and you were being used

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in, , the conversations you had

after that and how, what you're

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saying now with your, your mom, you

were able to, reconcile with her.

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My belief is you first need

to reconcile with God first

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before all other relationships.

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I think that my forgiveness that

God put on my life to help me when

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it came to forgiving others when

I when I knew that I was forgiven.

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I knew that out in the book, but

it was one time like with my mom's.

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Two sections.

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It's like when my mom's, I was

graduating from, uh, adult and teen

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challenges, a ministry program.

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And I was graduating, she

came and my two children came.

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I wasn't married at the time.

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And, um, she's getting my life

together, but, but my mind was made up.

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And I remember grabbing the mic

and they told me, and it's like 200

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people in the room, they said, Hey.

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They said, um, uh, Robert, just,

you know, give you a testimony.

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Like that's all cool.

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I grabbed a mic instantly.

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I knew the Holy spirit was

like, apologize to your mother.

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And we have been kicking it.

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I've been saying it like, mom,

forgive me, you know, for the way

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I used to talk to you and all that.

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But this day it was like, Authentic.

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And I said she was sitting

in the back of the room.

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It's like 200 people, man.

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She's sitting in the back

with my two children.

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And I said, man, before I say my

testimony, I just want to say,

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I said, I'm going to tell my

mother, mom, please forgive me.

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And I could barely breathe.

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Like, I was like, mom, please

forgive me for the way I treated you.

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I said, you didn't deserve none of

that, you know, because I'm honored

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that your father and mother don't come

with stipulations because some people

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think because your mom on drugs or

your mom or your dad or you got to

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write, uh, don't come with stipulation.

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And, uh, I was like,

mom, please forgive me.

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And, uh, and I'll never forget.

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I just, and it was quiet and people, the

power of forgiveness came in the room.

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They understood the power of it because

I was from the back of the room.

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She said, I forgive you, Robert,

like that, man, the whole place.

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erupted, praising God, crying.

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People was just crying all over.

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It was the power of forgiveness.

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Um, and she forgave me.

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And, um, but another time, um,

the forgive, no, just helping me.

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I started to understand

forgiveness as I went along.

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And you know, it was a, it was somebody,

it was people that have done things to me

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in my life that I couldn't forgive, man.

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And I was like, God, how

do you forgive somebody?

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I was like, cause they keep coming

up, you know, the person's face

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keep coming up the next day.

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And God told me one day, literally,

he said, listen, Forgiveness

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don't come with feelings.

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Oh man.

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Mic drop.

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Just told me straight out.

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It was a Ephesians 4 32.

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It talks about forgiveness, but

it also has all the feelings

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that you have in the beginning.

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And it said, you know, show

people kindness and, um, it

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says, show people kindness.

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Here it is right here.

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It says, uh, and be kind to

one another, tender heart,

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just as God in Christ.

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forgave you.

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And so you look at the top part

of saying, be kind to one another

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and be tenderhearted and seek.

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And when you don't forgive, it

takes that from your heart, the

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kindness and being tenderhearted.

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You, when you don't forgive, it's trying

to show you what your heart experiences

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outside of forgiveness, the first part.

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And it said, just know, be kind and

tenderhearted to one another, just

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as God in Christ Jesus forgave you.

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And so I took that verse.

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And I'm telling you, I forgave,

because I not only hurt people, you'll

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see in the book, but it was people.

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And I, it was times I couldn't

sleep like for, for what people did.

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And I took this verse and I said,

Lord, I forgive this person just

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like you forgave me in Christ Jesus.

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And I said, I forgive.

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And it didn't come with feelings.

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And the next day, the same feeling come,

I had the same feeling about the person.

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And I'm telling you, and, and

what God taught me in that moment,

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he said, just say forgiven.

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And I was like, because what me

and you did was real because at

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that moment, it was actually real.

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What I went through, what I, the

forgiveness I did, but the next day it

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comes up, it don't feel like you did it.

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You didn't do it right.

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You like, no, God told

me like you did it right.

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And so soon as that person probably your

mind at the devil, because the devil keep

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bringing it up, you say, forgive him.

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And then you might feel this way, but.

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You speak this way, you respond

this way outside of feelings.

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And man, I'm telling you, it's people

that I have literally , forgave

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people and the wound got so it's

no longer open anymore in my life.

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It's um, it's closed up, it healed and

it got stitches and it's just a scar now.

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And, um, it's a testimony for

me because, and that's what I,

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that's, I just want everybody to

understand feelings don't come.

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But I mean, forgiveness don't come by

feelings, but it comes by, um, with you,

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your trust, uh, forgiveness through the

word of God, because he forgave you.

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I like how you, you put that in.

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Yes.

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That's definitely was a mic drop

to say forgiveness doesn't come

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with feelings because It's a,

that too is a process, I believe.

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And with you, I like how you said,

because it was original at first, and

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it may not feel original because you're

thinking the feelings should align with

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it already when it doesn't at that time.

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It's going to take, it's still going

through the healing process, but I also

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like what you said about that verse,

be kind and tender hearted because the

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opposite of it is unkind and hard hearted.

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Bitterness, bitterness, anger.

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What do we see so much of today?

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Yeah.

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And anger.

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And, , some people don't

even realize they are angry.

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And, but we still, we see the

tell a tale signs a lot of there

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they're scowled all up snap quick.

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, like you were saying, , how

you were reacting to things.

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And that's just how it is when a

person is angry and haven't had

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that experience of forgiveness yet.

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So that's that power, because we need

that power of forgiveness to actually

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help us with the anger and help people.

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Everybody needs this because

it is so much anger out here.

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There's real rage.

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This people want, anything to step on

their toe and they're ready to kill them.

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And then it's, and it can

send you off to prison.

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It can end your life.

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Um, just the description of, you

know, some of those altercations and

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like we all have, , had, or, , what

happened with your brother, but the

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night before he was killed, I mean,

when he was killed, I should say,

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um, if you were not angry, if you had

stuff under control, that could make a

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big difference is it's life or death.

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And when we see the power of

forgiveness and God saved us, right.

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And We see actually repeated in

front of us in our day to day lives.

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We can be saving people saving ourselves,

through allowing God to help us with that.

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So I like how you coupled that

because most people thinking that

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they need to do it by themselves.

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Their feelings should be

aligned with it right now.

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And.

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I, I like how you just debunk that that's

not true and you are a real life case

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of losing a loved one still missing and

showing how the power of forgiveness can

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work on that and how it changed your life.

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And then you talked about.

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Forgiving your mom too.

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And we have another instance of blowing

up the room, like we, who, again, you

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affected a lot of people and I'm not

sure if they knew what they were looking

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at, but forgiveness is what we need.

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That's why I named this show,

a prisoner's pardon, because

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we're looking for answer for.

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Recidivism and most people wouldn't

think about forgiveness or just a pardon

444

and I just want to coincide the two.

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That is still accountability.

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The young man who killed your brother

still went to jail, still had an

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account, but that doesn't negate

forgiveness because some people may

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think, I know you've probably seen it.

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Oh, I thought you forgave me.

450

And they're thinking that

there's no consequences with it.

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If you forgive somebody, Oh, all

the consequences are wiped away.

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What do you think about that?

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I understand.

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That's like, like even God, when

he forgive you, he forgive you your

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sins, but people may not forgive you.

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You get what I'm saying?

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I look at that.

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I thought that once I gave my life to

Christ, that people will forgive me.

459

It's still people working on forgiving

me now because I was so, you know,

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It's people that still see me and

they cautious and like they, you

461

know, you could tell, um, that

just because you've been forgiven.

462

That don't mean everybody forgive

you, you know, um, by the cross.

463

I thought that for a while, but

you still got, sometimes you still

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got consequences, you know, um,

sometimes you just be wiped clean.

465

It's a lot of people that have

been, you know, the power of

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price ain't nothing to play with.

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It'll wipe you clean.

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It'll wipe clean.

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It'll wipe like everything clean.

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But some people.

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You know, God still, you

don't know how he, he moves.

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Sometimes he is still, you'll be forgiven

by him, but sometimes you still got

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to, you know, pay the consequences.

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Um, cause, uh, even when I, when I did

stuff when I was younger, I remember.

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I did that robbery when I was

younger, but I got a chance to

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ask their family for forgiveness.

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You know, you like you talk

that last sentence and day,

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but I still had to go to jail.

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It was like, I still

had, um, my time to do.

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So I totally understand that.

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So what do you think about

when people say, well, not when

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people say, but when the Bible

says, , the truth was set you free.

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How would you.

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How would you align that with forgiveness?

485

The truth will set you free.

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Yeah, it's, um, I think that's personal.

487

Mm hmm.

488

I think that's your heart, you know,

your, um, your sin condition, you know?

489

Mm hmm.

490

I think that's more what it's

talking about, your heart, your heart

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issues, your sin, your sin condition.

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It'll set you free.

493

Um, but does life continue?

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Yeah, it's still gonna be

death and the family, you know?

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You still gonna get like, like I gotta

say, my, my daughter was running away

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from, she was 14 to, and I'm deep in

the ministry after she was running

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away from 14, she was 18 years old.

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You know, life don't stop.

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It has set you free,

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but, but just life don't stop, but

you have a piece God to give you.

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It's just like a special piece that

you have that the world don't give.

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You know, the truth of sexuality is this.

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It's true.

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It's like, even when I lost my

grandmother, I didn't go crazy.

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It was just like, it was, it was keeping

me, you know, grew up with my grandma

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stayed in my grandma's house off and on.

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It was just a piece.

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Um, along with my heart.

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I like that.

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, and also I was thinking too, though,

when I'm talking about the truth of

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set you free, because that power of

forgiveness is setting you free as well.

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And it's, um, it's giving you that peace.

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So part of forgiveness is being,

I believe, truthful, honest, and

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looking at things the way they are.

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And that's how I believe it does

to coincide with how the truth is.

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And you're just not lying to yourself

about just seeing yourself for.

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The limitations that we have and

the things that we've done wrong

518

and not doubling down on it and

just trying to excuse it because

519

I've seen when you double down, you,

you holding on, you holding on to

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things and you can't get that true

forgiveness , having that truth and

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having that forgiveness and that peace.

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And it's, it's a valuable thing.

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Peace is.

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Everybody should know who's listening

how precious pieces is, you know,

525

and God does says is no peace

for the wicked and it is true.

526

That's why I said, I think it's personal.

527

Yeah.

528

A prisoner's.

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Pardon?

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And that it, it's like

unforgiveness is like, you not free.

531

You know?

532

When you hold unforgiveness it's

like you hear people always say that.

533

It's like you drinking

poison and you hope Mm-Hmm.

534

hoping other person die.

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It's, it's true.

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You be captive, man.

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And it was like, man, dude,

the change dropped off me once.

538

Uh, when you read the book, you know,

people read the book How I was forgiving.

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And I was forgiving other people.

540

You know, I was just, I was

just running around like, man,

541

would you please forgive me?

542

If you, when you read the book, you're

like, I want you, I was going to my

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uncle's aunties, friend girls that

I used to date and stuff like that.

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Cause I wasn't in my right mind.

545

I was like, would you please,

and I was actually hurting.

546

And, um, that's just what it was.

547

It was just a life of, please forgive me.

548

After he forgave me and I seen people

and I seen how I was destructive, man.

549

I heard a lot of people.

550

I heard a lot of people and, um, but

everybody I met, they, they, they

551

forgave me and it was a bless at the

moment and it was the power of it.

552

You know, I think that it's not

just forgiving somebody, but it's,

553

it's the power of forgiveness

that the cross, I think.

554

That's the difference between when we

forgive as Christ followers, when we be

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obedient to forgiveness, when God calls

us to, we experienced the power of the

556

cross, the forgiveness of the cross.

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And look how powerful it was, man.

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The blood will be died, will

be dead and gone and the blood

559

will never lose its power.

560

It will still be forgiven.

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So we deal with that.

562

When we obedient, God call us to say, Hey,

forgive this person, or you better do it.

563

Free and set the other person free

because that's what that's what it does.

564

It sets you free and another person free.

565

I like how You were saying

here about you were hurting.

566

, what do you mean you were hurting?

567

How were you, you were talking about

when I was going to the people?

568

Yeah.

569

You said you were hurting.

570

I was very violent.

571

I was a very violent person, you know,

and, and by being the oldest and stuff

572

like that, I just felt obligated.

573

It was like, it was times I wanted out

the game, but I bought the equipment.

574

The gang life home GDs, you

know, I brought it home.

575

We was lynched mob renegades.

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So I feel, I felt bad, uh, over

the years cause I brought it home

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and I lost a brother to a murder.

578

I lost cousins to a murder, all

that type of, I just felt bad.

579

So when I was asking for forgiveness,

I was hurting, man, but and God

580

allowed me to feel, um, uh, the pain,

you know, of, of when you hurt people

581

and you, and you wanted forgiveness.

582

I can't explain it.

583

It was just, I just felt just

like, man, please forgive.

584

I remember I was in a family dollar.

585

It's a long story.

586

I couldn't find a job.

587

And I was, and my sister in law

come up here where I said, man, I

588

ain't working in no family dollar.

589

Man, God was like, go.

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Cause that would turn into my ministry.

591

He didn't know.

592

I remember one of my

guys walked up in there.

593

This guy, I used to always

like bully like, I was, we was

594

cool, but I used to bully him.

595

And, and, uh, he walked in there one

day and I saw me and I walked up to him.

596

I said, Hey, Hey, what's up, man?

597

He's like, what's up base.

598

And I know he remembered, you

know, and I, and I looked at him.

599

And I say, man, what you, I said,

look, I said, you know, the way

600

I used to treat you was wrong.

601

And man, I just started

weeping right in front of him.

602

I said, please forgive me, man.

603

I said, I wasn't in my right mind.

604

I said, but I accepted

Christ in my life, dude.

605

I was like, man, I said,

I'm doing much man.

606

That brother looked at me.

607

And he was like, I forgive

you, but I said, no, no, no.

608

Listen, I need you to forgive

me for the way I treated you.

609

And that there was the power of Christ.

610

It wasn't just forgiven.

611

It was the power of forgiveness

in that, in the, in the aisle,

612

you know, and that brother hugged

me and you could just feel it.

613

I just felt the Holy

spirit all on both of us.

614

Cause he knew that it was authentic, you

know, cause I used to treat him wrong.

615

And I, and he told me, forgive me, man.

616

I hugged him.

617

I got his number to this day, you know.

618

I appreciate that because I, I

want this to come out , talking

619

about the emotions of it too.

620

And what, what people should be seeing

if they truly forgive someone is

621

like, it wasn't what, like you say,

fake, , I wasn't like, Oh, forgive me.

622

And all that.

623

And then, you know, that's not,

True forgiveness, what we're saying

624

here, and what you actually just

put into words, you feel the pain.

625

Now of what you've done, you see the

person now and you feel pain about it

626

and you say what you did because, and

you were hurting, you said you had

627

bust out, you know, crying and stuff.

628

It is nothing wrong with that because

it's showing that it was authentic

629

because it was, it was painful.

630

You now feel pain.

631

Something where before you

were desensitized, I would

632

say you were hard hearted.

633

Now you're tender hearted, tender hearted

people when other people are hurt.

634

Yes.

635

So this is like audience.

636

This is a red flag here.

637

If you're not hurting and feeling

painful for what you've done,

638

I think you should rethink.

639

Look at this again, because

something is not right because

640

you should be tender hearted.

641

Tenderhearted people hurt.

642

They don't, they can't just

do something, , because.

643

It hurts them to do

something that's wrong.

644

Um, so that's a big red flag that if

you don't feel anything, it's nothing

645

like what's what's wrong with it.

646

You know, like we become so desensitized

with this television and social

647

media and in not understanding the.

648

What's the, I would say transformation

that's going on inside of you, like

649

you transformed into what Christ

made you to be, which is to be

650

tenderhearted, forgiving and kind.

651

That means you're not walking around all

exposed and you're going to get hurt every

652

time somebody say something wrong to you.

653

And now it's funny, we'll say

tenderhearted, but on the outside

654

of it, it's like you kind of,

you think more thick skin.

655

You're not as sensitive.

656

As you were the wrong way, but

you're sensitive in the right way.

657

So, and then I like how you describe how

the power again is, I cannot negate this.

658

It is forgiveness.

659

True forgiveness is very powerful.

660

It changes people on the inside.

661

It, it changes.

662

When I say change people, it changes

the heart, the heart, the heart.

663

You become compassion.

664

I think like he can feel like that.

665

That's why Jesus was so compassionate.

666

He could feel, you know, and that's,

that's what, that's what it's all about.

667

I can feel again.

668

That's what happened to me.

669

When I see him in that, that aisle

like that, I feel compassion.

670

And I was just like, man, I just felt so

much compassion for him, but not just him.

671

It was a lot of people, man, that I

remember my uncle down there, man.

672

I used to, me and him got into it all the

time, but you know, I was more aggressive.

673

And, um, when I got, I'm telling you.

674

When I got saved, I seen

him at my mom's house, man.

675

I said, can I talk to y'all, man?

676

Christ was all on me, man.

677

Back.

678

I said, Hey, listen, I said, I love y'all.

679

He said, I love you too, man.

680

I love you too.

681

And, um, I said, but man, I said,

look, please forgive me for the way

682

I was treated and I was like, and I

could see how I treated him in my mind.

683

You know, I can feel it.

684

And I was like, man, I could feel it.

685

And I was just like, and I

just started to weep, man.

686

And it wasn't showing that I was

no punk or nothing like that.

687

It was just showing

like, I could feel again.

688

And I was like, I'm sorry.

689

And he was like, I forgive you, man.

690

And man, the way we

hugged, it was the power.

691

It was the power.

692

See, forgiveness got power to, and

so it'll change your heart, man.

693

I'm telling you.

694

And the way people, the way you see

things and the way people see you,

695

because it forgiveness not only affects

you, but it affects every person.

696

Oh yeah.

697

I like how, again, you.

698

You, you described it perfectly

and how the whole room

699

changes and yeah, I was there.

700

So I was there myself before and, you

know, growing up in tough neighborhoods.

701

Right, Pastor.

702

It can be, you feel you gotta be tough.

703

And it's just, well, you're

going to get ate up and that's

704

just, that was a survival.

705

It was about survival, but, , I

know God showed me another way and

706

I'm sure he, like he showed you,

you don't have to lose your heart.

707

You don't have to lose, um, That's

sensitive nature in because God

708

actually fights your battles for you.

709

I didn't realize that either.

710

So, and because , we're not built to

fight those type of battles and stuff.

711

We do fight battles, but he,

he actually does the work for

712

us and we just follow orders.

713

I should say, and then we're still intact.

714

We were able to.

715

, still be around people be kind hearted and

tender, but also hold people accountable

716

as well and have that good balance

where you don't lose sight of things.

717

So, and again, this, this, I

cannot again, just tell you how.

718

powerful, how much we need forgiveness,

true forgiveness, and but where

719

we don't see it around, you know,

they always saying, be kind.

720

I don't know if you've

been hearing that lately.

721

Yeah, yeah.

722

You hear those words.

723

Yeah.

724

Then it's like, they don't

tell you how to be kind.

725

How do you just be kind?

726

Yeah.

727

And then he's like, okay, I'm gonna try

to be kind when you was trying to be kind.

728

Did you, were you able to do it?

729

No.

730

Good.

731

Be good.

732

All that type of, I think, I think.

733

I think I really think

that you should like Peter.

734

They was like, how many

times you said 70 times 7.

735

The reason why Jesus said that

about forgiveness, when you

736

forgive somebody said 70 times 7.

737

He's like, man, what?

738

They ask for more faith.

739

The reason why is because

Santa's in the world, you know.

740

This world.

741

And so sin needs to be forgiven.

742

And so that, that is very important.

743

So even in my marriage, like the,

the key words is always to my

744

wife, forgive me, I was wrong.

745

And this is not all the time, but

it's, it's just saying, forgive me.

746

I was wrong because you ain't going

to always get it right in relation.

747

So them, them, the key

words and forgive me.

748

And then the other person

should be in place.

749

For forgiveness, because it's

not something you all you all the

750

time doing like hurting or say

something wrong or I said something

751

too loud or something like that.

752

So I always be like, hey,

I stopped myself instantly.

753

So the power of Christ, you

keep flowing in my life.

754

Because unforgiveness, it stops it.

755

So I, I'll be like, Hey

sweetheart, I apologize.

756

I was a little too loud with that.

757

And she, my wife would look at her

and she'd be like, forgive like that.

758

And we get right back to, you know,

letting Christ flow in our lives.

759

Because unforgiveness, it, it, it, it

stops the flow of Christ in your life.

760

It goes back to what you were

saying, like with your mom.

761

You lose that intimacy, that opening

that you have, and you lose it with,

762

it's not even, I think, you know, some

people think you can compartmentalize

763

it, you know, you'll put it in a

certain section and it won't flow

764

into other relationships, but.

765

We're just not made that way.

766

Look at our blood.

767

Look how our blood flows through us.

768

You can't just keep it

in your your hand part.

769

You can't just keep it in one body part

that forgiveness unforgiveness flows

770

into every relationship everything you

do and most effective most importantly,

771

I should say you lose that intimacy

with Christ because he God is not one

772

to overlook stuff, he's gonna, he's

gonna bring it up, call it out, and

773

you're gonna be under this conviction,

and once you're under that conviction,

774

that's when you feel that hurt.

775

And you, and you're actually

seeing people and what they're

776

doing, what you've done to them.

777

And you see yourself as well.

778

I'm talking from experience as well.

779

You see your own sins and you'd

be like, I need forgiveness.

780

And so we, it's, it's actually, it has

to be, it's not just a one time thing.

781

So, and that's, I'm glad you brought up.

782

That how many times he

said seven times tonight.

783

They had some more faith than it

was like, Lord, give us more faith.

784

It's actually like real.

785

You, you have to forgive

as Christ forgave you.

786

So, because, because even Jesus, he was

like, Lord, take this, this bitter cup.

787

It was a bit, it was, that cup was bitter

because that unforgiveness is, it was

788

a bitter cup and he had to take on it.

789

He had to take on our sins because we were

unforgiving and, and, but by his blood,

790

we're forgiving, but the cup itself.

791

And it was unforgiveness, man.

792

We, we, we had Christ paid our debt, man.

793

So that cup that, what he went through,

he suffered, his soul suffered.

794

And so all that has to

do with unforgiveness.

795

Um, your soul suffers and that's your

mind, your emotions and your own will.

796

You'll even make bad decisions through

unforgiveness, just resting in your

797

bones and in your heart like that.

798

You'll, you'll be able

to take you off course.

799

And, but that's, so that's why.

800

Forgiveness is so important and

otherwise, if you don't have this

801

forgiveness, you have this anger.

802

If you have this anger, I mean,

this is most of your story, right?

803

That's most of.

804

Everybody's story, I would think I

would, imagine that if someone's

805

going in and out and of jail, or

they're constantly just in trouble and

806

stuff, it's usually an anger issue.

807

And I'm and we see it every day.

808

Just look at these people look at people.

809

They're angry.

810

And some of the stuff is like over

this, why are you angry for, but it's,

811

it's not because of that one incident.

812

It's something that's been building

other stuff and it's, you have to deal

813

with this is or it's what it's going

to escalate and it's not, can you

814

talk, I like how you brought up too,

is that when you forgive other people.

815

It necessarily doesn't happen where

the other person forgives you,

816

but do you still have this piece?

817

Yeah.

818

Okay.

819

Because you was obedient

to what God told you.

820

Well, that's, that's the, it's

about just being obedient.

821

It don't say that God didn't tell you

that the other person would change.

822

He just told you to, you

just have to do your part.

823

And sometimes people don't.

824

That the other hand don't receive, but

you did your part and that that's it.

825

That that's the key behind it.

826

It's just you, you doing God's will.

827

It's just like when Christ came,

he, he, he was sent for everybody,

828

but he was, he was rejected.

829

He came for the Jews,

but they rejected him.

830

He did his part.

831

He, he did his part.

832

The blood was still for

them as well, you know?

833

And so he did his part and, and we

have to just do our parts in life.

834

And sometimes the other

person won't respond.

835

And you wish they do, but now

you got to just move along.

836

Now, did you have any

problem forgiving yourself?

837

Oh, absolutely.

838

For you, man, for years, for years.

839

Man, I was I think that's

what the problem was.

840

And you know what?

841

Other people forgave me at

times and I may forgive myself.

842

It was a few people that

forgave me and I forgive myself.

843

And I was like, man, you

got to let that go, man.

844

You know, you'd be like

it works that way as well.

845

But I had, I had a huge

problem with forgiving myself.

846

And, uh, when I had been forgiven,

even with God, like, like, how could

847

he forgive me for all the stuff I did?

848

I can't even talk about it.

849

I'd be in prison, but I was

like, how could he forgive me?

850

And so, you know, the devil always

try to manipulate unforgiveness,

851

you know, or forgiveness rather.

852

He, he always tried to

manipulate forgiveness.

853

That comes from Christ, um, like,

no, you ain't worthy and all

854

that, but, but he found me worthy.

855

And so that is what it is.

856

And I stand on that today.

857

And I think, do you think this was part

of when you, my mind is made up, you

858

were saying when you finally got your

mind made up, were you at that point too?

859

Getting past forgiving yourself

and being able to forgive

860

yourself and just do the work.

861

What was going on there?

862

Yeah, I was ready.

863

Once my mind was made up,

I was ready for anything.

864

That's just what it was.

865

It was like, I was, I

was like, I knew my mind.

866

It was something

different that took place.

867

Cause usually when I got, when I was like,

I was going to do something, I had my foot

868

one in the world and one in the church,

one in the program and one in the world.

869

And sometimes I had both feet in,

but I still entertain those thoughts

870

that weren't, weren't right.

871

And I would let you know,

I, I would you, whatever you

872

entertain becomes your reality.

873

So sometimes I kind of entertain You

know, smoking cigarettes again, I get

874

out, go have sex, all that type of stuff.

875

Entertain the morning and he said,

just overtake me as it would anybody

876

and you know, and I'd like to

point that out to people because

877

I see so many times that we, we.

878

We forget that we can't do nothing

without Christ and how powerful

879

sin is, but forgiveness is

powerful, more powerful than sin.

880

And when we start forgiving

people, we can start today

881

forgiving yourself, having that intimate

relationship with God, having him forgive.

882

You, did you ask him

for forgiveness as well?

883

How did that go?

884

I see what a made up mind, just

reading the scriptures, Jesus, his

885

life showed us that we struggled, you

know, cause we got to give up some

886

things and he had to give up his life.

887

And at one point at three times, he

said, father, take this cup away from me.

888

But right after that, he said, not

my will, but your will be done.

889

So it was, I was trapped between both.

890

He was showing us Our life because he had

on the body put on a body and he showed

891

us our struggle and it's the same way.

892

I got to give up this.

893

That's why a lot of people say

because it's uh, they got to give up

894

some things and it was a struggle.

895

But once I, once I made my mind up,

just like Christ, he did, he said,

896

not my will, your will be done.

897

That was the last part when he did it

3 times and it took him to the cross.

898

And see, that's what I told you.

899

Um, well, I don't know if I told you or

not, but we had a sidebar, but it was a

900

lot of scholars believe that the garden

of Gethsemane was the most powerful

901

place, um, because it's the place where

he made up his mind to go to the cross.

902

And so.

903

It was the same way, a made up mind

to take you where you need to be.

904

And so made my mind up and it took

me to the cross and I confessed.

905

I was like, that's when I was honest.

906

I was like, Lord, I'm a sinner.

907

I'm in need of grace.

908

And, and I'm telling you, man,

I never, my mind was made up.

909

And it was open.

910

I promise you, I ain't been back since

I had, I ain't been back since I'm

911

talking about, I haven't been back

912

I haven't been back since

cause I put both feet in him.

913

I made my mind.

914

I said, Lord, I'm done.

915

I said, use me.

916

You know, I said, use

me Lord for your glory.

917

I was like, ah, I don't

want to go back no more.

918

And that was it.

919

And the power of forgiveness

came, boom, it hit me.

920

And I knew I was free and I wept and wept.

921

Man, he just let me know

that I was forgiven, man.

922

And it, and it showed cause man, all

type of doors start opening for me, man.

923

I was about to go into that because you

said, um, a very important thing when

924

everybody thinks you feel like you, um,

given up a lot, but do you gain more?

925

Did you gain?

926

Oh, that's a, that's a,

that's the deception.

927

That is, that's the deception that the.

928

Want us to be like, hold on to our

past because ain't nothing there.

929

It was nothing there.

930

Mm-Hmm.

931

. And I was like, you know, the, the, the,

the sex drugs kicking it party, all that.

932

It ain't even worth compared to what?

933

The, what?

934

He opened doors for me, man.

935

I, he, the first time, the first,

so when I did that, I went on a

936

ministry trip and um, I, we gave

our testimony, I had to give my

937

testimony this one church way up north.

938

All right, this guy walked up to

me and he described his experience.

939

When he first got saved, when God forgave

him of all his sins, he told me, he

940

said, when that, when I received Christ

that day, he forgave me of all my sins.

941

He said, I ain't felt the Holy

spirit like this in years, young man.

942

And he said, he said, um, God told

me to tell you, you need to go back

943

to school and I'm gonna pay for it.

944

And, um, it was the power of forgiveness

that paid for my first year of school.

945

And, and so when I went back to the, to

the treatment center, I came back with

946

a check to go back to school because

they knew how much it cost my books and

947

all that, and they put it in the safe

and this time, God to put something

948

before me so I won't run no more.

949

Okay.

950

And so all that, I, I was in a program

I had, I was waiting to, uh, get out of

951

this just so I can go back to school.

952

It was paid for.

953

That's what I'm talking about.

954

Thank you for, , exposing that lie

and, , feeling like you're going to

955

lose so much when actually you're

going to gain right in its way.

956

It's priceless.

957

And, and right now you're

actually being cheated.

958

Right?

959

When you think you're, you, when you think

you're doing good and you, you can't just

960

give that up and you're not gonna make it.

961

You know?

962

And I hope someone that's listening

and hear that right now, um, at this

963

moment that they feel like they're okay.

964

I don't wanna give this

and that up, right?

965

We are, we are here to tell you that

trust you, trust you gotta gain way more.

966

And once you understand the, the, the

pricelessness of it, you're going to

967

be like, man, I've been cheating all

this time and I've been faked out

968

and I'm going to tell you that.

969

And when I had, like, when I did that,

it was a girl that was kind to me, man.

970

I mean, she was there the whole time,

but once I checked into the ministry,

971

when God had called me in, I had both

feet in my mind, God told me that she

972

couldn't go and it broke my heart.

973

And my wife noticed it broke,

but she didn't do, you know,

974

she, she, she didn't understand.

975

And I was like, but I came into her life

manipulative and God told me it's done.

976

We're done with that.

977

And, uh, it changed everything.

978

And once I, I let, I finally let

that go and cause it took me a while,

979

man, cause I couldn't understand it.

980

But then when I did do

it, I did it by faith.

981

I didn't, I didn't go off my feelings.

982

God was like, I need you to do this now.

983

It was like an urgent call in my spirit.

984

And I just let her know, you

know, and I just stayed away.

985

I was like, she couldn't understand it,

but I'm going to tell you I did that.

986

I went through the repercussions of that.

987

She was calling mad in the center,

you know, doing stuff, saying stuff.

988

It was crazy.

989

But my wife came after that.

990

I promised it.

991

Yup.

992

Somebody to help me carry the

vision that God called me to.

993

Yup.

994

Cause when you give, when you separate

yourself, when you, uh, he said,

995

he who keeps his life will lose it.

996

But he who loses his life for

me, Jesus said, we'll find it.

997

And that's what it was.

998

And I'm telling you what, the

more you, you, you give up things

999

in your life, the things that.

00:54:32,141 --> 00:54:35,591

That don't mean you no good man,

or the thing, it can be some good

00:54:35,591 --> 00:54:36,711

things sometime in your life.

00:54:36,951 --> 00:54:38,641

Don't always think it's the bad things.

00:54:38,651 --> 00:54:41,401

A lot of people always think it's

the bad things God coming after.

00:54:41,731 --> 00:54:43,911

But it's the good things,

because there was some time I

00:54:43,911 --> 00:54:45,321

had to give up a radio station.

00:54:45,321 --> 00:54:46,931

I was teaching on a radio station.

00:54:46,931 --> 00:54:50,221

I heard God say, clear as

day, that give that up.

00:54:50,461 --> 00:54:53,511

And I need you to stop doing this

over here in this ministry part.

00:54:53,511 --> 00:54:54,501

And these were good things.

00:54:54,861 --> 00:54:58,811

And I gave him up and he

opened a door for me over here.

00:54:58,811 --> 00:55:00,171

And I was like, Oh, I see why.

00:55:00,691 --> 00:55:04,611

So it's not always bad things

because that's what it can be.

00:55:04,611 --> 00:55:07,101

Some, some things that

are beneficial as well.

00:55:07,141 --> 00:55:10,571

But when God say, give it up,

give it up because he has a

00:55:10,591 --> 00:55:11,841

perfect plan for your life.

00:55:11,851 --> 00:55:13,041

It's a perfect plan.

00:55:13,361 --> 00:55:14,721

So that means we can't.

00:55:15,156 --> 00:55:16,796

Add to it or take away from it.

00:55:17,956 --> 00:55:18,916

Well, thank you.

00:55:18,936 --> 00:55:19,416

Thank you.

00:55:19,446 --> 00:55:20,636

Thank you for this.

00:55:20,666 --> 00:55:22,506

Um, we're about to wrap this up.

00:55:22,506 --> 00:55:25,556

And thank you for just revealing.

00:55:25,846 --> 00:55:27,746

I don't want to call them secret things.

00:55:27,836 --> 00:55:31,256

I want to call them things that is hidden.

00:55:31,866 --> 00:55:33,786

They're treasures that.

00:55:34,836 --> 00:55:40,516

We need to know about when we thinking

about giving up things for God and how,

00:55:41,336 --> 00:55:44,016

, forgiveness plays a big part of you.

00:55:44,716 --> 00:55:49,826

The biggest part, I believe of you

being able to step away from, , the

00:55:49,826 --> 00:55:54,166

lifestyle you had before that sent

you back and forth to prison, had

00:55:54,166 --> 00:56:00,156

you under those influences and

had you spiraling down in the fun.

00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:05,641

And it's like, I know we You know,

I look at this every day and it's, I

00:56:05,641 --> 00:56:11,781

believe it's a spiritual thing when

we hold on to things that we know.

00:56:12,836 --> 00:56:13,536

It's no good.

00:56:13,536 --> 00:56:17,386

We see where we at and we

still want to hold on to it.

00:56:18,016 --> 00:56:22,716

And again, just thank you telling us

how it was for you to separate from

00:56:22,716 --> 00:56:27,576

those things and how benefits that

you didn't have before started coming

00:56:27,876 --> 00:56:30,216

and how your wife came after that.

00:56:30,246 --> 00:56:32,406

It's like you have to get

through this test in time.

00:56:32,706 --> 00:56:36,726

I'm pretty sure going back to

what you say, it don't feel good.

00:56:37,101 --> 00:56:39,531

Oh, your feelings don't

usually be there yet.

00:56:40,281 --> 00:56:41,216

It's faith.

00:56:41,216 --> 00:56:43,561

This is faith, not feelings.

00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:44,231

Okay.

00:56:45,791 --> 00:56:46,161

Okay.

00:56:46,161 --> 00:56:47,191

Faith over feelings.

00:56:47,191 --> 00:56:47,921

I like that one.

00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:51,051

So is there anything else you

want to tell the audience,

00:56:51,101 --> 00:56:55,021

, we mentioned your book,

80 Barry white voices.

00:56:55,441 --> 00:56:58,061

Um, can they get it on Amazon or?

00:56:58,576 --> 00:57:02,206

Yes, they can get it on 80 Barry

White Voices, Robert Dean Bell,

00:57:02,206 --> 00:57:03,716

it's on Amazon now and it's cheap.

00:57:03,716 --> 00:57:05,086

Everybody's like, man, you got it cheap.

00:57:05,336 --> 00:57:06,466

It's 14.

00:57:06,466 --> 00:57:08,746

99, but it's a, it's an impactful read.

00:57:08,746 --> 00:57:09,326

It's engaging.

00:57:10,636 --> 00:57:12,136

Teenagers should read this book.

00:57:12,256 --> 00:57:17,136

You know, uh, it's really like

a 00, you know, a 007 start.

00:57:17,146 --> 00:57:18,946

It just start off like action packed.

00:57:20,131 --> 00:57:21,591

You will see the story, man.

00:57:21,591 --> 00:57:23,111

I'm telling you, it's a great book.

00:57:23,121 --> 00:57:24,241

00:57:24,321 --> 00:57:28,801

Plus I want to shout out to my church,

Life Church, Milwaukee, and I'm here on

00:57:28,801 --> 00:57:34,451

56th and Burlap, our service times at 9 30

and 11 AM, right on 56th and Burlap, Life

00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:37,571

Church, Milwaukee, 9 o'clock services.

00:57:37,811 --> 00:57:41,981

And I'm here to tell you

that he is who we say he is.

00:57:42,041 --> 00:57:44,921

Christ Jesus is who we say he is.

00:57:45,631 --> 00:57:51,381

All right, I thank you so much for

that shout out and a great show again.

00:57:52,031 --> 00:57:56,691

I really don't get enough times to

talk about forgiveness, but your story

00:57:56,901 --> 00:57:58,821

and what you went through was perfect.

00:57:58,891 --> 00:58:03,431

And you just really gave us

the details about forgiveness.

00:58:04,161 --> 00:58:10,961

Life feelings, how you feel, how

you can get cheated, how, how was

00:58:10,981 --> 00:58:15,251

worth it and just how far you've

come and how God has blessed you.

00:58:15,541 --> 00:58:18,391

But I thank you again for joining me.

00:58:18,551 --> 00:58:23,321

Thank you audience for listening and may

you have a week filled with blessings.