In this episode of the Dudes and Dads Podcast, hosts Joel DeMott and Andy Lehman sit down with their friend, youth pastor Jansen Utech. The trio discusses the benefits and challenges of getting married young, drawing on their own experiences. They then explore the changing landscape of youth culture, including the impact of social media on faith development and mental health. Jansen shares his insights into what young people truly crave from adults and how youth ministry can adapt to meet their needs. The conversation wraps up with a lighthearted Dudes and Dads Pop Quiz, revealing Jansen's most treasured possession, favorite soup, and biggest pet peeve.

On this episode of the Dudes and Dads podcast, we're talking with our friend Hope Stutzman

all about her coffee truck.

Joel.

Andrew.

You know what sounds good right now?

Oh, tell me.

A nice cup of coffee.

You know, I did think about it on the way over here, namely because my morning coffee

was still in the truck when I got in.

Was it warm?

It was no longer warm.

more of an accidental cold brew situation.

But you could still get the,

have you ever walked, like you get into the truck,

the smell of coffee is still in there.

And it did make me think,

you know what I could go for?

A cup of Joe.

- I don't know that I could right now though.

I'd be up all night and I don't think I'd want that.

- We are at that age, Andy,

where a little bit of caffeine can go a long way

at the wrong time of evening.

Hey everybody, welcome to the Dudes and Dads podcast.

Glad to have each and every single one of you

along for the ride.

Gonna have a good conversation this evening.

Looking forward to it.

Andy, I do have to ask.

What is the most fall like thing

that you have done in recent weeks?

What's what's the autumn experience

for the Lehman family?

Anything, anything

autumnal, autumnal?

You heard that's an interesting word.

All right.

Heard me.

We we have

some pumpkin decorations in the house.

Nice.

So nice.

I asked our boys to remove

the jack-o'-lanterns in front of our door because they are beginning to show signs of

their age their age they are.

There's yeah they they don't elicit the same it's kind of more of a like a than it is like

a you know fun whatever.

When they when they start to sink in and turn black on the inside exactly get rid of it's

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Tonight, before we get started with our friend Hope here, I wanted to remind everybody that we

We are live streaming, but we're also in our Zoom room.

So if you want to join us, zoom rooms and as.com/backstage or you could even call into

the studio on your old phone like, oh yeah.

So 574-501-4467.

They can dial in and talk to us.

Oh, I wanted to.

OK, well, that's that sounds exciting and also riddled with problems.

So we'll see what happens.

Yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

Anyways, welcome.

Hope.

Hello, thanks for having me.

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feels like, well, it feels like a decade ago, which is exactly what it was, but also potentially

a lifetime ago.

And Hope has done many things in that period of time.

And so, but one of them that I particularly, and I think probably others would feel the

same way, I'm most proud of, most aware of, most inspired by is sort of her entrepreneurial

efforts post-high school.

Because these days, when we send our kids off after high school, we all hope they don't

end up living under a bridge.

And Hope does not live under a bridge.

No, no.

She actually runs her own business, and that business is Friends at Coffee, which is...

Let's just say Hope's always been in the coffee scene, right?

That's true.

You have.

Ever since I've known you, you have been in the coffee scene.

I've been the coffee snob of our family for the last 10 years.

I hold that proudly.

That's awesome.

That's really good.

Okay.

So Hope, I think there's a few things that we want to talk about tonight because number

one, I'm just, I'm curious as always in any sort of setting with just like kind of the

entrepreneurial spirit, the sense of, hey, I want to go start a business and I am willing

to navigate all the ups and downs, the twists and turns, the uncertainties, the learning

curves, whatever you want to call it, to go toward that goal.

I'm really interested in that.

I'm also interested in how we, this is the Dudes and Dads podcast where Andy and I are

a couple of dudes, a couple of dads, trying to figure out how to encourage our kids in

things that they're passionate about or how to help them find their passion or go out

and pursue their dreams as it were.

And let me just say, you are not the first lady to be on the show.

There you are. You join an elite group.

Yes. Join an elite group of women that have been on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So we we're just excited to have that conversation, too, of,

you know, I think thinking through.

Yeah, how we how we can encourage the way

I think your mom and dad have encouraged you and how they've, you know,

they've kind of been in your corner on this.

And then we also just want to hear the real talk because I just have a feeling, I am willing

to step out on a limb here to say that there's probably been a pretty significant learning

curve in what you've done and probably you are still learning and all the time, right?

And you have some wisdom to share with us about those learnings.

Yeah.

- Yeah, well, I think, I mean, no matter what,

and this is the key thing,

whatever successes or failures that you've experienced,

those all can go into the column of

important things learned, lessons learned, right?

Toward whatever future success you're going towards.

So let's start off with what in the world

got you to start your own business?

How did this thought even come to you?

- You know, people ask me that,

like specifically about Coffee Trailer,

and I'm like, I couldn't tell you what exactly

made me think of, oh, Coffee Trailer would be cool.

I really don't know where it came from.

But growing up, I've been like surrounded by entrepreneurs,

like my grandma Detweiler opened a restaurant

out in Oklahoma, which my uncle now runs.

My grandpa Stutzman owned his own business.

My dad owned a health food store in Goshen here.

And so I've kind of just always been surrounded

by entrepreneurs and been encouraged by them, I think.

So I think that played a big role in it.

And then being a coffee snob,

I think every coffee snob has thought like,

it'd be so fun to own a coffee shop.

- Sure.

- And I think just from there

and just getting more obsessed with it,

somewhere those ideas kind of linked up.

- So when did that idea start for you to go,

hey, I could do this.

- I think it was, I took a gap year

after I graduated high school in '23,

and I think it was like in August, November time

when that idea kind of popped up.

And then some things came out later,

I'm like, oh, okay, I can,

I took an internship out in Ohio

that kind of made me learn more of how it works

'cause I interned at a coffee trailer,

And so I got to learn the ins and outs of that and then from there kind of snowballed and awesome. So

The the internship experience I know you know Andy and I work at

again plugging our good friends at everance

We work in an organization that does that does

you know internships regularly and and I've always been a little bit of a

Because you combine two things you did an internship in a gap year two things

I'm really passionate about, two things that I love talking about with families and young

people and all of that.

But the organization we're part of, what I've noticed is that there are good internships

and there are bad internships.

And there's kind of not a lot of room in the middle.

There's this whole thing of, if you're going to do an internship, that you're actually

gaining real knowledge.

gaining something that you can really hold on to and run with and sort of, you know,

further either if you're in college and you're doing an internship, it's like, "Okay, I'm

going to go back to my coursework with this new kind of new understanding that's going

to help me be a better learner, help me be a better student," whatever the case might

be, and then hopefully going into a degree program.

In your case, like how did you get hooked up with the internship?

Because you like saw that as a value, obviously.

- Yeah, so my dad is,

okay, now I have to think of how this works.

It's my dad's cousin's daughter.

She owns a coffee shop or a coffee trailer

out in Plain City, Ohio.

It's called Rocky Mountain Coffee Company.

Her and her business partner, Michaela,

have been running it for a few years.

And when we were talking to my grandpa about,

oh, Hope has this idea for a coffee trailer.

Have you heard of it?

And he's like, oh yeah,

so-and-so has one out in Ohio.

And we're like, maybe they'd let me like intern.

So we reached out and after some conversation

of what it would look like, we set a date.

And then May of 24, we drove up the four hours

and my parents left me and I worked there.

- How long were you at the internship?

- So I was there beginning of May to the end of July,

like second to last week of July.

came back a few times for certain things.

- Sure, sure.

And so then when you were done with that,

you moved back to the area here, and then what?

- So, yeah, during the last,

the last day I was, the full day I was in Ohio,

and I worked at the trailer,

and I was covering for someone,

I wasn't supposed to work that day,

and one of the regulars that I got to know came through,

And she knew it was my last day the day before.

So she saw me and she's like, "I'm so glad you're here."

I kicked myself 'cause after I left yesterday,

I was gonna pray for you and I totally forgot.

And she had this prayer and it was just kind of

just hitting every check mark that I had been asking God

about like, "Okay, is this the next step?"

'Cause I really enjoyed my time working with Rocky Mountain

and I was like leaning more towards it,

but I didn't have that like-

- Sure.

- Knowing that that was the right step.

and her prayer and everything,

just kind of locked that in place for me.

And beginning of the year,

my parents were in Louisiana for Revive,

and long story short,

they found out that a coffee shop down there

was selling their coffee trailer.

And me and my dad made a trip in March to go see it.

And then I called my dad later that day

after the lady prayed for me,

and I said, "Hey, let's call Bebe,

the owner of the coffee trailer in Louisiana,

and said, "Let's see if we can get it,

because this all happened and I have this feeling

that we need to go now.

And so then from there we made the call

and he's like, I have someone interested

but since you came down, we'll give you first dibs

if you can give us the down payment.

Did all of that and then from there it was just 100%.

No like-- - You're committed then.

- Pass, go, she collect $200, it was all right now.

- Yeah, you're committed.

- Yeah.

So you mentioned earlier the, like you used the word obsessed, and I think an entrepreneur

has to be obsessed, right?

There has to be a level of like, this is really all I can think about.

This is a, you know, was that part of your discernment process as you're figuring, like,

did you really have a sense of, I really want to commit myself to this craft, which is exactly

what it is. How, like, how is it that you feel differently about coffee than you do

other things that maybe you've been interested in in the past? Because I think for young

people that's like, oh, I'm kind of like into some, you know, and how do I know that that's

the one thing?

It's a great question. Um, I don't know. I think I just like, it's one of those things

where I'm like, when I learn a new thing about, I'm like, Oh, that's so cool. And I'll go

into like, it'll be a little video on Instagram. Like, Oh, I've never seen that tool. And then

I continue to look up more videos and more things about it. Whereas other things I'm

like, Oh yeah, that's cool. I could look into that. But yeah. And so I think it's just more

of a, like wanting to expand my knowledge on it rather than being like, Oh, that's cool.

You have, you would say that you, I mean, it sounds to me like you have just a continual

curiosity for these things. Like it's a, it's a, it's a curiousness and, and maybe, I mean,

again, folks listening, if you're, if you, I don't know, if you're trying to help your

young person figure out, um, cause I think this applies, this could apply to entrepreneurship

and other things. I mean, just life direction in general. What are, what are your people

curious about? You know, like what, what sort of like makes them, um, cause I, I've noticed

with my with a few of my own kids, like they have very like,

they're just these certain things that they like are kind of digging into all

the time. Right. And I just try to pay attention to that. You know, it's not now,

you know, you know, right now, uh, like my second son, Josiah, who's our real

mechanic in the house, like he's tearing apart my suburban to help for a good

reason. Well, the reason to put a new engine in the vehicle. And so, but you

You know, I went to get him.

I went to get him today from his grandpa's where the car's getting worked on and there

is in in full bibs and work here and you know, he's tools in hand and like, you know, and

I just it's it's those sort of things like when you pay attention, right?

When you see your kids try to take an interest in something, you want to try and feed that

out.

If that's something or at least feed it out a little more to let them try to experiment

with it.

And it I mean, it sounds to me like your dad was like, OK, Louisiana, here we come.

Yeah, he, both of my parents, I can't, I will never be able to thank them enough for all

the time and effort and help they've given me throughout this whole process.

And I think it's easier because they only have one kid.

So they can put all their love and...

Just pouring it all into you.

So it's easier for them than most people probably.

I know Joel and I both have four kids.

Yeah.

So you have to spread it out.

And they're all, well, and, and they're all so different.

Right?

Like you're really trying to dial into all the in the particulars right?

Yeah, I'm invested for those of you who are just listening as the audio podcast

There are some pictures that hope has given us that I have been playing throughout this thing and kind of yeah

Showing up on our face them up on the face, but yeah, but go go those places so you can see them

Yeah, so okay, so you go and you get this trailer. Mm-hmm you unless you head on down to what part of Louisiana?

So I'm pretty sure it's called Senla

Louisiana which is like central, Louisiana, so it's like right in the middle like four or five different parts

I think right smack dab in the middle middle, Louisiana a state that I have personally not visited yet

Yeah

You go get this trailer mm-hmm and you drive it back mm-hmm and

Then what do you do because you got a trailer now, so yeah, that's a thing it is a thing

So it was a previous coffee trailer, so I guess let me ask this did the inside equipment come with it

Or do you have to purchase that separately no it was great because all the equipment came with it this bristle machine the grinder

The washer thing okay all the stuff

Porta filters all the gadgets and doodads and we needed so it was great for us. It was less work for me

Yes, okay, so you get it back here. What next so the first step

I mean besides doing Goshen City and getting business certified and all the fun stuff of starting a business

I

Cuz it still had the rap from the previous coffee business

Which is Camericano coffee, so if you're ever in that area, and you find Camericano coffee. They have great stuff

Not that anyone who listens to this will be in Louisiana

They might be never know you never know love to see if we have any Louisiana listeners

Hey, listen right now, if you're in the state of Louisiana, either you as a resident or

just passing through, that still counts, you leave a comment, let us know.

Louisiana people, Louisiana, Louisianians, Louisians.

I don't know what you call them.

I didn't, I'm probably close, but not pronouncing it right.

People from Louisiana, we want to hear from you.

Okay, so yes.

So yeah, it was the business paperwork, all that stuff.

And then I, it was mostly me, but my parents did help some.

We had to take the wrap off the trailer, which is a very long and tedious process.

Painstaking process.

Especially, you know, in the summer days of, I guess it was October, so it wasn't summer

days.

But it was still warm.

But it was still hot during that time.

So yeah, we took all that off and then we had our friend, she helped me design the logo

and the wrap stuff.

And so then we sent it to Premier Signs in Goshen and we brought in the trailer and they

did it and it looks amazing.

- That's great.

- And then we had to find our spot in Goshen where we would park during the week.

And that was its own process because they are very picky with their spots for food trucks.

- So tell me a couple of things here.

So you mentioned having to go through and get your business license, your permit and

stuff.

How did you even know about that?

Did you, obviously your family has been entrepreneurial,

you said that, but how did you know what you needed to do?

- Yeah, I knew first thing,

I had to get certified in food safety

and I kind of knew most of the stuff

from my previous fast food job

'cause I worked there for four years,

so I knew a lot of stuff.

And so that was its own thing, so I knew that,

but then we went to some Goshen department

apartment and said, "Hey, this is what we're doing. What do we need to do?" And so then

they gave us this 300 page, I don't know what was in 300 pages, but it was a lot of pages

of business talk and this is what you need to do. And then we found, I forget what it's

called, but certain organizations that kind of break it down for new businesses and say,

here's the easy way to decipher what they gave you. And they helped us a lot in getting

are, um, cause we had to get commissary cause food trucks need a commissary,

even though I don't serve food yet.

It's still considered one to a place to drop your gray water and fill up with

fresh water.

So we needed one of those and we found one only by accident,

but it was a great accident, happy accident. Um, but yeah,

just all that stuff. And so long process.

Great. And then,

And then how did you go about trying to find the locations?

I mean, obviously you are available for like parties and weddings and things like that.

But during the day, you know, you do set up shop

at a certain location depending on on the day.

But how did you go about even starting to find that location?

Because there are a decent amount of food trucks in the Goshen area already.

Yeah. So Goshen.

That would be nice, but Goshen is very, very, very picky and very strict on how everything

works.

But when it comes to food trucks, they only allow one food truck per spot.

And so even if you're not going to be there at the same time, they get that spot for the

whole year if they buy the permit first.

And so then it has to be in a certain zone.

So it has to be in I think zone B3 or B4.

And so we had to look on their map and say, "Okay, these spots are in the right zone.

Let's check these.

Okay, this one's taken and this one's taken and this one's taken."

And at Northside, which is where we are now, it was technically already taken.

But looking at our other options, we're like, "We feel like this could be the best spot

to start off with at least."

And so we went to the city and said, "Hey, we're thinking about this spot.

Can we do that?"

And they're like, "Well, you can do a..."

Oh, shoot, I forget what it's called now.

But essentially we had to pay a lot of money to not argue our case, but ask this group

of people of like, Hey, can we have the same spot even,

but we'll be on here in the mornings and we won't be there when they're here.

And they're only here two days out of the week.

And we're going to be here for,

and only one of those days is the day they're there. And they're like, sure.

So we just had to pay a lot of money for them to say yes. Which they,

the guy we were talking to who worked with us, he's like,

they'll probably say yes. And so we're like, okay,

so we're just paying a bunch of money for them to say yes. Okay.

So it was an obnoxious process.

(laughing)

- Now, is that parking a lot technically,

like private property,

'cause it's owned by Northside, right?

- Yeah.

- So did you have to go to them too and say,

hey, can we park here?

- Yeah, that was a whole thing.

We asked them and they're like, well, we're with them,

or we have these people and we made a contract with them

and some stuff, and they're like, okay, we can do that.

And then, because again, Goshen is so strict,

we had to word a certain document for them to sign a certain way and we messed it up

like three times and had to keep going back. And we took it back and they're like, okay,

you still did it wrong. It was a process, but yeah.

So yeah, I think there's, you know, the learning curve, like the learning curve of business

in general. And we, you know, there, there are a lot of, um, there are a lot of resources

out there, and it's probably if you mentioned this, like, if you're, a great place to start

actually is usually your local, like local business chambers and things like that are

great places to kind of give you some guidance and direction on things, you know, things

which I don't know, sometimes we just think like, I don't know, we have a great, I mean,

here in Gresham, we have a great chamber.

And I think that sometimes we just kind of like, we're like, oh, those business people

that have lunches over, like where do they, you know, we don't really know what they're

doing, but really what they are doing is supporting the development of local business and their

networking businesses together and those sort of those.

So those sort of things can be really, really helpful.

But I do think to myself, you as a young person, like, do you feel like the youngest person

in the room and in situations like that frequently?

For the most part, I can't say I've been to a lot, but for the most part, I'm kind of

like, I mean, whenever you're going into a, you know, into a city office, right to, you

Like whether plead your case or to get a get a permit or whatever

and

You know I think that's I mean while it's really admirable. I'm sure it can be like it kind of a

You feel like the odd person out every every once in a while

Yeah, and and do you ever feel like people look down on you because you are young yeah sometimes

okay, and I mean I kind of felt that like all the time because with

People I hang out with because my parents are older and so I hang out with more adults

And so I'm like I always kind of feel

To me but it's more of a thing sure yeah

I have to ask where did the name come from how did you come up with the name forensic coffee company?

Yeah, so after I graduated in 23. I took the gap year and like okay am I gonna go to college just go to workforce

Start a business. What would that look like?

And I've always been interested in like true crime and forensic. It's always been an interesting topic to like

Look into and all that and so if I were to go to college

It would have been for forensic science or like criminal justice that kind of thing

And so then when I went with start a business and a coffee trailer

I kind of just combined the two interests and the one so

Gotcha easy interesting yeah, and I mean there is within coffee. There's a there's a science to all of this right

so kind of

tracking down

Yeah, I mean tracking down the best way to the best way to do what you're doing the best way for well

And I even experienced that from you to today or if someone would ask you about your winter

Flavors or something like that, and you're like I'm trying to come up with this flavor

But I'm having a really tough time trying to actually figure it out

- Yeah, yeah.

'Cause we make our own syrups and all that stuff,

so I have to figure out, you know,

okay, does this work, does this work,

this doesn't work, and this works.

But yeah, it's fun, but it's a process for sure.

- So when you're doing that,

like are your parents like the guinea pigs,

you're like, here, taste this, tell me this,

or do you have other people in your life

that are your guinea pigs?

- It's mostly my parents, and my dad's like,

I don't wanna try it, and he's always like,

I'm not doing sugar, and I'm like, you are today,

so just try it.

It's this little bit of syrup that you can try.

- You're helping me develop my business.

- So really what we need to do is we need to recruit

a test panel for Hope.

- To test out.

- So yeah, and just we'll do a blind taste test.

You will be sent, I can see it now already.

I can see it in just a vision.

You will be sent a, you have no idea what's in it.

You're gonna taste it without any sort of

preconceived knowledge about what it is

and then you're gonna give a review process.

So how many taste testers would you like?

Blind taste testers would you like?

You need a handful?

You need a committee of five?

- Sure. - Sure, okay.

So we're gonna put this out, we're on it.

We're gonna find you a committee of five taste testers

that may be called upon at, we don't even know,

at random times, whenever she's concocting her new thing.

- So Hope, besides trying to come up

with new syrup flavors, what's been one of the,

like hardest things that you've experienced?

How long have you been, you've been open for two years now?

- No, we only got the trailer last year

and we officially opened January 28th of this year.

- Okay, so not even a full year.

So almost a full year you've been in business.

What's been the hardest thing that you've had to deal with

that you may not have expected?

I mean, obviously the city of Goshen

trying to get that stuff is pretty tough.

- That whole thing for sure.

- Other things?

- There's so many.

I feel like every week there's one new thing about that um I

Think it's just kind of figuring out the crowd

Mm-hmm you know you think you set up there

And you make posts weekly and people are like oh, I'm telling people every every time. I'm out and blah blah blah

But then they don't show up, and you're like and then I'm sitting there in a box for six hours

Yeah, but yeah, it's just trying to figure out

The group to like I guess target audience

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure that out it's I never thought it would be easy

It's just way harder than I'm sure would be well

I think we've even kind of experienced that with the podcast you're trying to say hey

Tell your friends and tell do all this but like some people do but a lot of people don't you know sir yeah

And eventually you find out I mean you do find out who your people are and sometimes they are

There are people you don't expect I'm Andy and I've been caught off guard numerous times and conversations were like they're like I'm

It's like oh you're dudes and dads long time long time listener

And I'm what's even weirder is really walking in a crowd and someone calls you out by name because they've heard you before

It's in and so it's like one of those things of you think you know

but you don't know and there is a little bit of a

We'd like to believe that we can get to all the algorithms not locked in today, right?

Like that like well, we can have certainty about all these things

There is a mystery and an art to to that very thing that you're talking about. I think no Matt, you know

no matter what but

You know, I I do I don't know it's so many and the things that you've said

hope have made sense because sometimes like when I think of your business and I'm sure because I know you're thinking about this all the

time of like how could I improve my location?

How could I improve my exposure?

Right.

But there are certain factors that you're having to navigate because turns out you

can't just set a trailer up in any old place that you would like.

Unfortunately not.

Unfortunately.

And I remember at Northside, like originally you were kind of out by the road, but

facing backwards and now you're closer to the building, but you're facing.

Yeah, it's it's a struggle because from either direction you pass, there's always

somewhere where you can't see it.

And then people are like,

"Well, I didn't know if you were open."

And it's kind of like, okay, I guess I can see that.

But if I'm not there all the time, anyways.

And so then people are like,

"Well, you should face the road so we know you're open."

But then I had someone come up to me or drive up

and they're like, "Oh, I couldn't tell if you were open."

And I was facing towards the road.

So I'm like, it's a struggle.

- You know what I think would really help Hope

one of those those giant air wobbly guys.

- You are not the first person to suggest that.

- I'm not, and I'm a big believer in them, quite honestly.

- You can get one that has a cup of coffee in there.

- Yeah, there you go, perfect.

- Yeah, like, you know, used car lots made them famous,

but I think they can be redeemed and used for other things.

- We have one at the church.

- We do?

- We do.

- Really?

- We have one in the, yeah.

- Oh yeah, because, no.

- Yeah, we do, we have one.

- That's amazing.

Well okay, so that are some flags.

I don't know, we need some forensic flags.

Let me ask you Hope, is there any forensic coffee swag?

Do you have an online store?

- Unfortunately not yet, still working on it.

- Let's get this done.

- I know, I want to get it done.

- Let's get this done, 'cause I will wear forensic stuff.

- All day.

- I'll drink out of forensic stuff.

Forensic underwear, I don't know you know what whatever

I'm not no

Support that one. I'm as your co-host Joel. I'm saying no all right. Well. I just I'm just saying

multiple opportunities to

Multiple more chopper opportunity have you had the experience of kind of

Like you said in your internship you kind of had your regular people

Have you had those regular people here in Goshen that you've kind of become friends with and like yeah

Expected unexpected like how does that work? Yeah?

We like within the first like month

We got some regulars and a few of them still come to this day

And I think the most surprising regular with when we first started

Somebody from South Bend. Oh wow they work in Goshen

So they would call ahead their order and we'd have it ready and you know have a little conversation with them

And they'd go on and we haven't seen them in a while because they moved and all that stuff

But that was one of the most surprising ones that that far and for those who are not from this area

South Bend is probably 45 50 minutes from from the trailer

But I guess depending on which side of South Bend you're on - could be even further so yeah

yeah, I I

Guess hope if you if you were if you were talking to

18 year old hope

What would you like now with kind of what you've learned in this last year in this whole this whole process like?

What would you want to tell like what would you want to tell her at this at this point?

Leave your job

it was a bad job, and I should have left so much faster and

Yeah, for sure that one and just go for just go for it. Just go for it

- Yeah, I'm sure that you had a lot of fears

when starting your business.

You know, like I know I've got a side business,

but I'm always like, how much,

like I'm always fearful of going any further full time

in that because I don't,

I'd have to then support myself full time.

So like, I'm sure you've had, had fears and stuff.

So I'm sure you'd probably tell your same 18 year old,

hope, get over it.

Let's just do it.

- Yeah, just do it for sure.

Yeah, there's being 20,

it's, and with how the world is right now,

It's a scary place to be trying to support yourself

when there's so much going on

and uncertain of how it's gonna all play out,

especially when, yeah, this young

and I decided to do this now

and not when I have enough money

to do it on the side or something.

So, yeah, it's a lot, but it's fun.

- Awesome.

- It's the time to do it.

I mean, it is the time to do it.

The older we get and the more responsibilities that we get

and as family grows and all of that, like our our capacity to take on that kind of risk

just keeps on like kind of dwindling.

Well, and I would even say that the same thing for anyone who is thinking about doing a gap

year between high school and college or high school and what's next, like just do it because

you're not going to have the older you get.

Yeah.

The less the more things you're responsible for, the less free freedom I'm going to use

that you have to just get up and go and do something and experience life for the fun

part.

Yeah.

Hope, what do what do people need to know about forensic coffee?

What are you what are you bringing to the coffee game that I think would just make people

interested or would like would help them know like kind of the heart that you put into the

craft that you that you're a part of?

I think a big thing is that I make our own syrups and put a lot of time and effort into

Finding recipes and then tweaking them to be my standard of perfect

And we get great beans from refinery coffee in Goshen

She gives us a great product that we can use to make an even better product with our stuff

and I

the best consistent cup of coffee you can get.

- And let me just plus one for the teas that you have.

- Oh.

- Like your teas are good.

- Oh, teas.

- Teas, yes.

- I thought you said T's as in T-E-A-S-E.

- No, no.

- Okay, that makes more sense.

- Your T as in like a cup of tea.

- Yeah, gotcha.

- So yeah, the other day,

Julie and I were out and about

and we saw the trailer as we were driving by

and so we whipped a U and it was,

'cause it wasn't at the normal place

and it was somewhere in Middlebury.

And we whipped around and we're both like,

we've had a lot of coffee though already today,

so we're not really hungry or thirsty for coffee.

Oh, she has teas.

- Lovely. - T-E-A.

- Yes. - And we tried them

and they're good.

- Yeah, that's good.

So I would say, like Hope, when you think about,

so we kind of talked about the tough stuff,

the challenging stuff.

What's exciting you the most right now about your business?

- I think kind of just the creativity of it all.

Like coming up with new drinks,

like right now I'm working on the winter menu.

And last year, I mean, we opened up in winter,

but because it was so new,

I didn't really get a chance to like explore more options.

So this year I finally can.

So that's, although I am the person that's at Christmas,

doesn't get celebrated until December 1st.

- Wow, bold take.

- It's not after Halloween.

It's still fall after Halloween.

- It's a reasonable take, but it's a bold take now.

- It's a bold take and I will die on that hill.

- Yeah, you early Christmas celebrators.

- I will die on that hill.

But yeah, it's still fun to be thinking ahead

and getting on schedule and working on

getting them done in time.

- Nice, nice.

And, you know, again, we've talked about, you know, listen, Barb, let's just be very

clear.

These people have, they've helped, they've supported you, Hope, your lovely parents.

If you had the chance to talk to parents out there where they've got a young person who's

thinking about trying something out, like what would you say to parents?

What words of encouragement or guidance would you give to them, you know, as somebody who's

experienced the power of that on your end.

- Yeah.

How do I word it?

I think it's just very important to let people

be passionate about what they love.

'Cause for me, drumming for example,

my parents saw that I had an interest in it

and they surprised me with a kit.

and from there it went on.

And with the coffee thing, with the trailer,

they didn't say, "Are you sure?"

They just said, "Okay, this is what you wanna do.

"We're gonna support you and love you through that."

And they didn't say, "Well, maybe you should do this first."

They said, "Okay, if you know this is what you love

"and this is the step you wanna take, we'll back you up."

And I think that's super important

when you see someone passionate about something

and they're able to explore it,

it's a very powerful thing that can come out of that.

- Yeah.

It's good to be encouraged.

And, you know, our young people right now,

I think now more than ever,

they need actual encouragement,

not just protection from possible bad outcomes

or to try to soften the blow

helicopter parents or lawnmower parents or whatever sort of, you know, but rather to

be like, there is, because there's risk involved.

There is risk.

This whole thing could fail.

Absolutely.

It totally could fail.

And it wouldn't be worth doing it if it couldn't.

If you, if you, if this was just some sort of like slush thing that you were doing and

And I was like, "Well, whatever happens, happens."

That's part of the adventure for sure.

But the idea that anything worth doing is difficult and has an opportunity for failure.

But again, that, yeah, they're gonna walk through those challenges with you and they're

gonna be there for that.

And they recognize that, I mean, no matter what, as a parent, you're always on the cusp.

of something going off the rails, you know, somewhere, somehow.

So yeah, so I hope that's, I mean, those are great words, hope, and I think, I hope that's

an encouragement to parents that are listening, you know, thinking about, "I got a kid who's

got an interest in this, like, what do I do?"

You know, and, "Oh, gosh, it feels like, feels like there's a risk there."

Yeah, there is.

And that's what makes it worth it, I guess, right?

So that's really good.

Well, Hope, we're so grateful that you came out and hung out with us and shared about

Forensic Coffee Company, which by the way, obviously to all of our listeners, you need

to get online.

You need to find out where Hope is at.

And we'll make all that on all the socials painfully obvious over at dudesanddads.com

and on Facebook and all the good stuff.

We'll be sure.

But we obviously can't let you leave the show without what we love to call.

And now it's time for the dudes and dads pop quiz.

Thank you so much.

So the pop quiz, if you've never heard it, is just a random time that we get to ask you

a few questions that have nothing to do with coffee or anything we talked about.

So just to get our listeners to know you a little bit better.

Most people pass.

So I think you can do it.

You can do it.

Hope.

Yeah, we believe we believe in you.

We believe in you.

Hope my first question okay in the event of a zombie apocalypse

less Barb and hope who lasts the longest and

Why?

See I had a phase where I was like I could live in the woods okay if I wanted okay, gotcha

So I feel like I would have from watching those bushcraft videos and primitive

100% things yeah, and I spent so many hours watching those I might have an advantage

Okay, I'm not sure yeah, so

Woodland living might be an asset to you and that might be something that helps you

Make it through his own be copied up

She is and barb and Barb unless if you're listening, and I know you are

Get out get out into the woods. I don't know what to tell you

Sharpen the skills that's that's what we need okay great great answer all right all right

So this is one that we've asked a couple times before but if I was making a sandwich

Oh, yes, we love this named after you what's on it so the hope Stutzman what is on that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey got a golly. I'll have the hope Stutzman

What's happening? What are we getting okay? I think I gotta go sourdough bread

Okay, no, okay

Think some turkey a lot of pickles, okay

Probably too many pickles too many for the best amount my wife is with you on that

she's she's every time I order a sandwich for her at a

Star or not Starbucks Wow at subway. She's always like extra pickles extra pickles same for me

sliced long way or circular

Circular so I had to think of

- I had to imagine.

- It matters, it matters.

- That's okay, I said Starbucks, so I mean.

- It works.

And then Colby Jack cheese, some mustard.

- Okay.

- And then another piece of sourdough, I think.

- All right, that's a great answer.

And I would--

- I support that.

- I would support that sandwich, absolutely.

Hope, what's the, are you a book reader?

- I used to be.

Used to be okay. Tell me what book that I should read that maybe I haven't yet.

I think my when I read a lot, my favorite book was truly devious.

It's a true crime mystery novel.

I think it's the first three books are like the main and then it went off and took way more.

I don't know anything about the last two,

but the first three have a pretty good story

and a lot of plot twists.

So. - All right.

- All right, if you had to delete all

but one app off of your phone, what would you keep?

- I think Messenger. - Okay.

- 'Cause I have a long distance friend,

she lives in Georgia, and that's how we communicate.

- All right. - I feel like,

'cause we communicate via Instagram and all that,

But Messenger is where most chaotic interactions happen.

So I feel like I have to keep that one.

- All right.

My final question, Hope, has more to do with the,

I guess we'll, well, you know what?

We'll make it semi-coffee related

because we did mention,

we talk about gadgets every once in a while.

So talk to me about your favorite coffee-related gadget.

I think I have to go with a WDT tool.

- Which is, can you explain?

- I thought she was gonna say WD-40

and that did not make sense to me.

So, okay.

- So it stands for weight distribution tool

and it's basically just this circular thing with pins in it.

- Okay, I've seen this.

- And so you put it on,

after you put the grounds into the portafilter,

which is the thing that goes in the coffee machine,

before you put it in the coffee machine,

it's put this WDT, WDT, yeah, is that okay?

And you spin it around and what it does

is it prevents the coffee from clumping up

and makes it more so that the water

can evenly extract from the espresso

and not have those clumps and end up with pooling

or all this other stuff.

- All the stuff that you don't wanna happen.

- Sounds scientific. - It does.

- So you want a smooth espresso, not a bitter one.

- Yeah. - Awesome.

- Okay.

Uh my final question would be if you had a personal assistant following you around all

day what would you have them do?

I think do social media for me.

Especially since you wouldn't have it on your phone anymore.

Exactly, so I'm like I can't do it you have to do it for me.

She's outsourcing the social media.

Awesome, well you passed.

Congratulations.

Yay.

Congratulations Hope.

Thank you.

Thanks for hanging out with us, Hope.

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