In this episode Jen + Jane discuss finding Fierce Serenity in everyday choices, living without regret for past decisions, and whether or not you can have forgiveness without self-compassion. 

What does that look like for you? 

Additional Resources/Reading:

●      Dr. Kristin Neff - Self-Compassion Researcher - https://self-compassion.org/

Questions for further guidance: 

●      What do you think? Can you have forgiveness without self-compassion?

●      Where are you already practicing Fierce Serenity in your life?

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Jen Lang

Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.

Jane Stark

Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centered leader, certified health and life coach, and marketing strategist.  She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.

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Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no

halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. Oh, what a topic we

have today. Jane and I have just come off a big conversation of a

different topic, a future podcast topic, but we're not

going to talk about that today. Yeah, and then you'll probably

hear in the background, my snoring dog Lola, she's decided

to join us today. So we get a little too rowdy. We'll just

pause for a minute and you can sink into the sweet tones.

You turn that into a meditation? Maybe Maybe I could.

Ring dog. The latest trending. Zen meditation

I'm kind of curious you know, I have I have a timer

account. Maybe I'll just record my dog's. Paw, the sounds of

home probably would bring comfort to these pets maybe have

passed and you know, might be kind of fun. Well, anyway, but

we digress. Okay. Today, we are talking about aspects of

forgiveness and self compassion, but probably not in the ways

that you might think, initially.

How did we How did we get here? How did we get to

this topic? You? I think you're talking. Go ahead.

Okay. I think we got here because we I was I proposed

it as a topic because it was something we were talking about

earlier this week, and forgiveness as an act of self

love. And Jane wasn't really jiving with it. Oh, you know,

she was like, I'm kind of, you know, I don't think it's, I

don't she was kind of like, I feel the resistance. I'm like,

no, no, there's

something there. And I feel my own resistance. Yeah,

I was like a dog with a bone. I'm like, No, we need to

talk about this and unpack this in our way. And so

then we come around, and that's what I get to where

I'm like, Oh, this is the piece. And it wasn't so much resistance

talking about it. To be honest. It was like landing flat for me.

I was like, Yeah, I don't know. Okay, forgiveness, practice

forgiveness, great. End of story. Like what's also really

talked about a lot in this self help industry and the

personal development industry and the CO opting and what I'm

trying to say like the whole panel, a panel practice, which

is supposedly an indigenous Hawaiian practice. So

technically speaking, it's cultural appropriation, if you

talk to indigenous Hawaiians, so it's like, we're not going to go

there. We're not going into that today. Yeah. But we want to look

at this forgiveness piece, and the self compassion piece, both

both together, and separate entities. So I think you started

with that with the doctor, who was Kristin Neff.

So Dr. Kristin Neff is a researcher on self

compassion. I'm not overly familiar with her work. But I

have seen she's got a couple of TED Talks. And she's written

books. And I believe, a number of years ago, I listened to her

TED talks, and I've sort of very loosely followed her. I haven't

read her books, although I would like to get her latest one

because it ties in a bit to, to our theme. For the month of

February and our program, our group program that we're going

to launch, which is fear serenity, and her latest book is

called the fear self compassion, I believe. And yes, it. And so

it was interesting, because she talks about, oh, my goodness

them and I have to remember what the other there's she talks

about fear, self compassion, and

well, she says, what is self compassion? And then

what is fierce self compassion?

Yeah, but she talked about them in two different

contexts. Anyways, we'll digress on that. But it was interesting,

like self compassion, the sort of gentle or self compassion

talking about you know, asking what you need in the moment

about giving yourself it's kind of that nurturing that like,

okay, just give yourself a breather. Whereas fear self

compassion, as she defines it, she talks about is more about

action taking so she referred to even like, you know, it might be

like, you get into the mama bear mode. And you you know, you You

get out there or like, you know, you take action around

injustice, you speaking things that's like fear, self

compassion, because you're still, you're still, to me

that's like tied into boundaries, which is a form of

Yes, self compassion. So we're kind of unpacking the self

compassion and the forgiveness piece. I think the other the

other question that we wanted to unpack that came up here was Jen

and I were playing with this idea of, well, self compassion

and forgiveness are not the same thing. But I asked you, so you

you said, For I see self compassion as a bigger umbrella

and forgiveness is one piece of or sorry, aspect of self

compassion, or, yeah, of self compassion. And I agree with

that. And then I flipped it to you and said, Can we have

forgiveness? Without self compassion?

Mm hmm. Which, you know, you're like, throwing it

back to me. I'm like, I don't know if there's an answer. This

is a way to unpack. Yeah, this is maybe something for you, the

listener to reflect on for yourself? Can you have

forgiveness without self compassion? And do you? In other

words, do you need to have a self compassion, practice or

awareness in place before you can practice forgiveness? I

don't know that they're mutually exclusive. But we did get into

this aspect of, you know, because Jamie mentioned in our

pre talk, before we hit record that you need to get to a level

of forgiveness, you need to do the work, you need to do like,

work on yourself. And then I started unpacking that further

and going, but if your forgiveness is genuine at the

level that you're at, who are we to say? Who is the observer to

say, what level of forgiveness is, quote, unquote, right? And

if you are forgiving from the level of awareness or self

awareness that you currently have, then that is where you're

at. It's not empty. It is simply an expression of the integrity

of yourself at that moment in time.

Yeah, absolutely. I think for me, what it brought up

was, again, there are so many of these concepts and terms that

are getting thrown around, yeah, in, in the self help side of

things, but I would say even becoming more mainstream. And I

guess that's where sometimes, like, it starts to make it feel

trivial, or when we don't have the bigger context for things.

So one of the things that comes to mind, and I have to sort of

try and think on the fly here to how to unpack this. But

gratitude practice is another one. For me, that kind of feels

like a similar, a little bit of a similar energy. For me, I'm

just talking my own personal experience. But years ago, when

I was sort of in the earlier stages of my journey, and I

kept, you kept hearing about a gratitude practice and how

gratitude was so great and whatever. And to be honest, I

was not in a place that I could find gratitude. And so it

actually made me feel worse. And it frustrated me and it felt it.

And maybe it's because I was bypassing but it felt like

bypassing like, it just, it felt forced. And I would be like,

okay, and try this and the gratitude journal of, you know,

100 days and it just, like, I just was like, yeah, not

connecting to this.

I think there's a drink continue. I

was just gonna say to fast forward. I, oops, sorry,

this big bang. I just talked with my hands and not getting

sober. Okay, okay. So I start doing my digging and peeling

away layers and continuing to start to unpack some things for

myself. And all of a sudden, like, the gratitude thing

clicked for me. And it was like, Oh, this is what people are

talking about. This is what that feels like. I get it now.

Doesn't mean I sit down and have like, I don't have a gratitude

practice per se, like some people do. But I definitely

connect to that concept. Now. I definitely. Something just

clicked for me, but I think it was because I really had to go

through that process. And I had to get to that place. And I

guess all I'm trying to say is for me, the forgiveness piece

feels or felt a little bit the same where I think there was a

time in my life where I just wasn't at a place to be able to

practice self forgiveness or right. And it's taking that time

and peeling those layers away.

Yeah, there's definitely I'm trying to maybe

we can give our audience some real life examples. doesn't have

to be a big thing in the sense of, you know, I ate four squares

of dark chocolate yesterday. And now I feel really terrible about

the fact that I said to myself, I wouldn't eat dark chocolate in

February. And I'm not actually seeing this, but you know what I

mean? It's an example. And then it leads into that spiral of

guilt, despair. You know, whether it's food related, or a

choice you've made or something like that. And then it's more,

the more down that spiral of guilt and despair you go, the

harder it is to find the forgiveness and the compassion

that you need to climb out. But maybe it's just that one step.

Maybe it's like that, like you said, that gratitude practice of

that compassion practice for yourself is like, Okay. I felt

like I needed the piece of chocolate at that time. And then

it was so good, I had a couple more food examples have their

own weight and their own, they deserve their own, you know,

episode. But maybe just by practicing that forgiveness

piece on like, I forgive myself for that choice. And I'm moving

on. And as you practice that forgiveness doesn't necessarily

address some of the underlying feelings. And that is a more

therapy based approach, I would say, would be the underlying

feelings of why you chose the chocolate in the first place.

And why did you spar once you, you know, that's, that's at it's

a different conversation. But I think this aspect of practicing

something, whether it's gratitude, forgiveness,

appreciation, or whatever, self compassion, this that there is

value in the practice, because it does get us to the

destination eventually, even if it's not in that, you know, I've

practiced gratitude for three days, why am I not grateful?

Yep. type of type of world that we often live in, in which case?

Are you bypassing? Or are you actually going through a

practice, that's going to get you to a place where you can

love yourself more fully and more deeply?

So how does So forgiveness as a act of self

love? That was sort of your thought and the topic? Can you

expand on that and how you see that?

So I don't know, I've been doing work like this for, I

don't know, seven plus years, maybe I would say, even since I

started singing, there is an aspect of, you know, the act of

learning to sing. And going through the practice and

learning the pieces. And going through a process is definitely

a Personal Development Act. And sometimes, you know, I wasn't as

prepared as I wanted to be for either a performance or a show.

And so I had to forgive and accept that my actions led me to

that place. And that, rather than dwelling on the past or on

a, you know, the bad feelings of that produced, I just had to get

on with starting the next thing, and starting the next thing. So

the forgiveness is the act of self love, is I couldn't access

an aspect of self love and add the depth that I now have

without first acknowledging the forgiveness that I needed to get

there. So the forgiveness is a step or a practice to deepen the

self love.

So what was I'm curious to, like, unpack is even

a little bit more in terms of the forgiveness piece and like,

and I don't know if there's an answer to this, but just trying

to understand like, how did you? How did you know or how did you

and maybe this was just your your makeup, but like that,

okay, I have to, I have to take the next step, I have to let

that go and move on, versus going down or getting stuck in

that place of self deprecation or self like beating yourself

up. Like how do you find that? That balance for things? That's

a great question. I don't think anybody's ever asked

me that. Well, here you go. So here, real time, real life. I

would say let me start more recently. So over the past year

and a bit, I've been working through a course in miracles,

and with a group of people and it's been wonderful. And so last

year, we did all of the lessons, the daily lessons, and now we're

going into the teachings. And so there's a core group of four of

us and we meet every week and we go through the teachings and a

major aspect of this work is forgiveness. So anybody who's

worked with the Course in Miracles know that forgiveness

is part of the Atonement. And this is not going to be an

episode, of course, miracles, there's a ton of resources out

there. So I would say over the past 15 months, my ability to

move into a space of forgiveness for myself and deepen my self

love has greatly expanded through this work and through

these conversations, bringing in our real life experiences, and

then unpacking them through the lens of forgiveness, and self

love. And that the more we focus on the self love, the easier it

is to love everyone else.

That's beautiful. And that,

the more deeply we can love and accept all aspects of

self organic kind of emotional talking about it, because it is

so moving, the easier it is to see the love and the expansion

and the light and the humanity in everyone. Every, whether you

agree with their actions at the time or not, they may not align

with you, but you can still see the humanity of that person. And

the fact that they were born to a family who, hopefully I would

say love them. They deserve love. Everyone deserves love

everyone. And so this forgiveness as an aspect of self

love is just one aspect of that human journey to deepen the love

for ourselves and therefore the love for everyone else.

Wow. i This episode is over. Okay. So it's

interesting, because what I what was coming to my awareness as

you were sharing that perspective, was this sort of

sense of awareness. Like when we start to step out of this self

identification, and the Me, me, me, the I feel this way I did

this, I'm not a good person. And we can start to facilitate a

practice that allows for an expansion, I guess, of awareness

around that, yeah. That that allows it to come in and, and

that came from me, because that I feel like that is also my

experience, my journey, I have not, I've not studied A Course

of Miracles, yet, but when I reflect on what you're saying,

and the values of that rings, so true to me, and I've been

unpacking this a little bit, in my own life personally in, in

therapy, just reflecting and looking at, you know, my

upbringing, and like you say, somebody's like, yeah, you know,

I was really fortunate to be raised in a house, where, yes,

there was lots of love, but there was also a lot of respect.

I felt like I felt respected as a child, even in my house hold.

And I felt like, yeah, that, you know, I had parents who truly

listened to and cared about what I thought, and I'm now at this

point in my life, having my own children and unpacking this,

I've, I share this, because it's fairly new for me, the actual

realization of how it's impacted me and how, like when you said

that everybody deserves love, and everybody is, you know,

we're all we're all human beings that are just trying to do the

best that we can. And that's a really such a big value for me,

because it's something that I'm so fortunate to have been raised

with. And so yeah, I look at society, generally like that. I

am not perfect, I definitely have judgments and things like

that as well. But it's been really interesting to start to

unpack this more and more and move into a new level of

awareness around that, and I just love what you said about

that, when we love ourselves first, then that expands out and

we start to have that love and compassion for everyone else, as

well.

Thanks. Yeah, it was, that was totally in the moment,

just came through now that's coming through to all of you

listeners, and how, you know, maybe we can look at the way we

operate in this world. And yeah, like, I'm not saying I'm perfect

in any way stretch your forum, it's a practice. There are

moments there are things that piss me off and things that I'm

gonna say like get you riled up, but in a more passionate way,

rather than you know, like, why why is this why is this so I go

into that questioning of like, why is this so but then

sometimes I can defuse the emotional component and take a

more measured approach to that why, and why is this happening?

I think we were also talking about this aspect of social

Media what we share on social media, we would rarely share yes

to face with someone. So, yeah, not gonna say it to someone to

their face and have a conversation about it. Why would

you say it and share it in social media?

Because yeah, when you Why is it protecting? And

why is that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, that that was a big one that

we're sort of unpacking and that it really bothers. Yeah, it

really bothers me. Because it's so true. I look at things and

I'm like, and, you know, and even, even when we ask that

question, I feel like a lot of people, the answer is like, oh,

yeah, I would totally say that to someone's face. And I unlike,

really, I don't believe that we have that. The other thing I

said he was Imagine, imagine if what we say on social media in

the comment session sections of posts and whatnot, if we were

all out there treating each other that way? Yeah, like, I

don't see how this world would be able to we'd be in civil war,

like, yeah, as a humanity, like

much more escalated? Because it would well, it would

be much more confrontational. And then at the same time, to

wind this back to forgiveness, and, like self love and self

compassion. When we've all said stuff that we've regretted, in

the heat of the moment, we've all done that. Really?

No, really, I feel like, that's my husband.

Or we all know people who like orange, or the converse

of that is like, there's stuff that we wish we had said in the

moment.

Oh, yeah, there's a lot of that. There's definitely

I'm really good at thinking through scenarios after the fact

and being like, Oh, that would have been,

yeah, me too. Okay. It's like, I always find it

easier to put my stuff down into writing. After the fact I can

always express myself articulate, articulate myself

more clearly, in the writing afterwards. But in the moment,

it's, it's not always easy. But I digress again. So if we wind

this back to the compassion, and the self love and forgiveness,

peace, even in those moments where you've either said,

Something you've regretted, or you haven't said something, and

you've regretted it, or you'd wished you'd said something.

That's the perfect opportunity for you to apply an aspect of

forgiveness and self compassion. It's like, I didn't have the

words at the time. And that's okay, because I was in this

situation. And now, you can either ask for an opportunity or

create an opportunity to share that again, or to share those

words that you wish you'd said. Or you can just move past it. So

to wind back to your first question, how do I move past it

and not get stuck in that field of self deprecation, I get to

practice again. You can let it weigh you down. And how many

boat anchors are you going to tie to your feet and tie to your

emotions before you weigh down. And or you can choose to move

beyond it and that, you know, if you're looking through the lens

of therapy and counseling, it's usually the emotion that is

triggered by the event that still lives on in you that is

causing the discomfort in the first place. So then go back,

unpack the emotion, through a multitude of means there's many,

many, many different types of therapies. And talk therapy is

only one. You know, there's movement, there's music,

there's, you know, you need a multitude of ways to defuse the

emotion from a situation in order to find the depth and

deepen your self love and compassion.

Yeah, yeah. So I think one of the ways,

especially when we're talking about self compassion for

myself, it's, it's coming back to like, the simplest thing is

asking what you need in the moment. Yeah, right. Like, what

do I need in this moment to help support me? And, and then

allowing yourself that gift of whatever that answer is?

There's, oh, yeah, there's so many. I'm sure

there's some of the real life examples. You know, I can feel

some of the objections already. From that I might hear from

people like what share them like, woman trying to leave an

emotionally abusive partner, or someone trying to leave an

emotionally abusive partner, where they go back multiple

times. And it's a number of factors, and they're like, what

do they need at that time? Maybe there's no space for self

compassion in that moment. But there will be a space for that

later. And maybe you find the you can call it an Earth Angel.

whoever you want. You might find like a social worker or

healthcare worker or someone in your community or trust. A

friend, who is that haven for you? Who is that person for you

who you can say to them? Or they might they might say to you,

what do you need in this moment? If you can't ask it of yourself.

So that might be an objection in that moment. But if it's after

the fact, like if you've, if you're kicking yourself

mentally, yeah, I think hadn't taken an act particular course

of action, then that's the What do you mean? What do I need

right now to feel better about myself? What do I need right now

to move forward? Maybe you need support. Maybe you'd like, in

some form or another? I don't know. What's your take on that?

Well, I mean, I think you're right. Like

there's, again, it's it's tricky to apply one statement or one

concept with a brush, depending on, you know, varying levels of

scenarios. So, you know, I think yes, there's, there's lots of

levels there. I don't really have anything else to add. And,

like

just a funny phrase comes to mind. What do you do

when you're going through hell? You don't stop you keep going.

Yes. Right. And that is it? Is that drive forward?

Yeah. And thinking just, you know, what? Yeah. How

would you treat others? And how can you give yourself a little

bit of that?

Yes, this came up with a client a couple of weeks ago,

where they were questioning, they were asking themselves a

question about why they hadn't taken a particular course of

action. And I say, Well, how does? How do you feel about that

now? And they, they said, Well, you know, I'm, I feel like, I'm

being hard on myself. And I said, so what would if a friend

came to you, one of your best friends or a love family member

came to you and expressed this same situation? What would you

say to them? And sometimes we have to take ourselves outside

of the problem in order to do that, in order to be able to see

the self compassion that's needed for yourself. Right? Yep.

Not for the friend. Yeah. So true.

Yeah. I mean, we're so good at that kind of thing.

Right? Like, I remember years ago, a coach saying to me, I

think this was more about habit change, and health and whatnot.

And I was quite into yoga at the time. And, and she used an

analogy, though, with friends. She's like, you know, if, if you

had planned to say go to a yoga class with your girlfriend, and

she was in your driveway waiting to pick you up to go to class,

and you really didn't want to go? Would you just go out there

and say to her, yeah, sorry, thanks. Actually, I don't want

to go. I'm like, No, I'd probably get in the car and go

because she's there holding me accountable and all the things

and it's like, so why are you treating yourself any

differently? Yeah. I was like, Oh, yeah. Like, why are why? So

like, and it was, this was more in a conversation around self

accountability, but it just feels like similar, right? Where

it's like, right, sometimes I have to step outside of myself

and think like, I wouldn't let a friend down. Why am I gonna let

myself down?

And there's an interesting aspect of that story

is in the same, you know, vein, another, there's always another

option. Yeah. And so another option would be, go to class

with your friend, and just lay on the floor. Yeah. And just ask

your body like bow. And you know, I've done that so many

times, Kirk Kirk, and I used to practice Bikram yoga. And we

were quite into it, you know, like 10 years ago. And, you

know, we would go to class and occasionally I would do a 30 day

challenge and do 30 classes in 30 days. And sometimes I would

go to a class and I would spend most of the classes lying there.

Because I'd hit a stage in my practice where I was like, hey,

body, okay, you're gonna be really messed up if you keep

doing this class. So just just just lay there. And that is

another purchase. It takes courage to do that because

everyone around you

that's hard to do

in one of those classes. Yeah. And that's an

aspect of I Gabbard said act forgiveness as an act of self

love, forgive yourself. For not take pushing through.

Yoga is good, actually, you're right. A good

example of that, and because I've had many of those

situations to where you're in class, and I'm like, just

feeling really tired or whatever. And it's such a, such

an interesting battle of the mind. Because you know, even

even the instructor will say, you know, listen to your body.

If you feel like you just need to get down into child's pose,

do that. But you have all these people around you, you know,

stepping into some power pose. And it takes a lot to be like,

No, I'm actually yeah, I am just gonna lie here. I've had that

situation so many times. And many times I have not listened

to my body and have gone into the position. And it's so

interesting though, when I found the courage to like to not and

to just lay there and like,

and notice what comes up. Yeah, the other like, the

other aspect, I was gonna say like, even before I'd ever read

any Louise Hay or heard about mirror work, you know I'd

practice Bikram yoga for I think it was like six, seven years at

the time. And that class is done with mirrors. And I would

always, whenever I could, I was always take a front row, like be

face to face myself in the mirror, a because it minimizes

distraction, which is great. But be because it's like, it's you,

it's you in the class. And when you focus on yourself, it is the

most powerful mirror work you could ever do. And it's that

unspoken mirror work process that you're confronted with your

body, it's really freaking hot, and you're not wearing a lot. So

you're seeing all of your body, and in a way that can be very

confronting for people. And at the same time, you see, like

somehow how kick ass you are in some postures and how you know

how you're like, Okay, I'm further down this posture than I

was a week ago. So that that's when I think an act of self love

can turn into an act of celebration.

Yeah, like that. So I want to tie this back a little

bit to our our topic, our new February and just this concept

that we've been talking about a little bit about fear serenity

and what it means to us. And, you know, it's interesting, I

hear both fierceness and serenity in this conversation

today. I agree. And what we're talking about, and I think

that's like us the cool kind of juxtaposition of this phrase

that we have taken to that chose us, or chose us. Yeah, you could

say that. So yeah, what, how does that tie for you together

for you?

So I think I, it shifts, I think a little bit day

to day, some kind of feeling fiery, and feisty. So today, I'm

feeling pretty fierce. I'm saying, as the listener, you may

have noticed it in the way I've been speaking, the way that

we've been talking about topics. And there's moments for this

concept to be always imbalance. So sometimes we need to protect

protect our serenity with a fierceness that wouldn't

necessarily lead to Serenity. However, that fear, I'm not

going to say protective, but that fierce boundary or that

fierce? You need to be standing in the power of your serenity.

Without it being you have to do it this way.

Yes. Which is back to that righteous,

righteous, righteous in your rightness conversation

from a couple weeks ago. Yeah, ready pieces. Like when you have

that fierce. When you have that fierce awareness in place, then

the serenity is so much easier to welcome in.

Mm hmm. And I feel like I really I see the yin and

the yang, right, where it's just flowing between like, it's

interesting, because, yes, you brought some fierceness, but

then when you were sharing that, that part about the Course of

Miracles, like it was like serenity came through. So that

being able to flow in and out and there was something else you

said, escape me now. But But yeah, there's sort of this yin

and yang energy and just being able to move between being able

to define it for yourself. Yeah. That for me, it really does feel

like that. That moving between, I feel like I am moving more

into fierce energy right now to more action taking. But with a

softness, like you say, not about righteousness, not about

my way or the highway, just that action taking in that place of

power coming from our own place of personal power. Yep. And I

need to have serenity in order to be in that place of power.

Oh, yes.

So then, how this ties in? How does this tie into what

we envision for serenity?

I think we're really ultimately it's helping. It's

the bigger vision I have of what I see people leaving this

program with is their own definition of what it looks like

for them in there and how that plays out in their lives. And to

so getting tools for that and also identifying where things

might be out of balance or What alignment needs to happen? And

then there's also a container where Jen and I can then

facilitate helping you move. The things that are blocking you

from getting to that point part put that point. But yeah, I

really see like, and that's where for us, I think this idea,

this concept is a term that landed so deeply for us was

like, that's how I want to live my life. I want to live my life,

in fear serenity. For the rest of my days, like, yeah, to me,

that is just so really, that's kind of, again, that's the

bigger picture. Do we have all of the exact methods for how

that's going to come out for everybody? Nope. That's why

we're beta testing this

beta program. So fear serenity is a beta program that

runs six weeks starting the week of February 21. It's $500. And

if you are interested in being one of the 10 Actually, there's

nine spaces now. One of the participants in fear serenity,

then we definitely want to welcome you. Yeah, we want to

hear from you.

Send us a message. We have sales pages going up

soon. But we have the ability to secure spots before sales page

goes up. Who needs a sales page to sell around? I know, this is

how we operate this fear serenity. This is awesome. We've

already sold a spot. And we don't have a sales page up. So

there you go. But yeah, it's, I feel like Jen and I just feel

really good about it. The like, I feel really

the timing is right. People are here. If you're

interested to know more definitely reach out for your

serenity can be yours day in day out for the rest of your days.

How do we embody it, and everybody's gonna embody it

differently? I think that's the biggest piece as I move through

is everybody. So this is not a course. This is not like we're

going to give you tools we're going to support you. But this

is ultimately allowing I think, each participant to show up

authentically, as who they are to peel back all the layers and

to define this concept for themselves and to and then we

support you and how you're going to embody that but that is

absolutely going to look different for each and every one

of us. Yeah, exactly. Well,

I'm excited. Okay.

I don't know. Let's wrap this up.

Let's wrap this up. So if your serenity began begins

first week of February, we are here we're going to keep putting

out these awesome podcast episodes. Like I said, the theme

for this month is for serenity today. We explored that self

compassion and forgiveness topic through this lens. We hope you

had some beautiful takeaways. We'd love to hear from you and

over and out next week. See you soon. Bye. Thanks for joining us

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