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Have you ever been let down, disappointed, frustrated that things take
John:so long and wondering if it's just you?
John:If so, this is your episode.
John:This is Podfluence, the show that helps you to grow your
John:influence and income with podcasts.
John:My name is John Ball and my mission is to help you, the self-employed
John:business coach, to grow your influence and income so that you can have a
John:continuously thriving coaching business.
John:That said, if you are a service-based solopreneur, this content can help you.
John:In this episode, I'm asking the question, is patience still a virtue
John:in the digital business world?
John:And I'll be talking about why or learning to be more resilient and playing the
John:long game are essential not only in podcasting, but also in life and business.
John:We will finally be wrapping up the seven deadly sins of podcasting series.
John:So hurry up, let's get on with the show.
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John:so that you can get the weekly updates of Podfluence as they drop.
John:So pop in your EarPods.
John:Let's start the show.
John:Hey, coach, are you playing the long game in your professional life?
John:What I mean by that is are you thinking long term or short term?
John:One of the things that often sinks professional aspirations really quick
John:is the realization that things nearly always take longer than we think
John:they will sometimes much longer.
John:Your beautiful vision of success can rapidly come undone when
John:faced with real world challenges.
John:This is perhaps one reason why so many people don't ever get past the idea
John:stage, and even if they do, they often fall at the first hurdle when trying
John:to bring their plans into fruition.
John:There genuinely are people who think that if the stars don't fully align and their
John:path to their goal isn't simple and stress free, then it just wasn't meant to be.
John:I know this because I've encountered this mindset many times in my
John:years of coaching, and I also know that I used to think that way too.
John:It's a very poor justification for quitting that excuses us from
John:needing to make any real effort.
John:Perhaps I shouldn't be too hard on myself and others about this.
John:After all, we've been conditioned to want instant gratification to
John:get what we want when we want it.
John:Most of us no longer really consider patience to be much of a virtue,
John:and yet, I would say for myself at least, that so much of life is
John:about learning lessons of patience.
John:I like the way that my friend and mentor T Harv Eker puts it.
John:You can have everything you want, but you can't have it all at once.
John:This is the last of my seven deadly sins of podcasting series.
John:Number seven is, Impatience
John:if you've been following the series.
John:Number one was gluttony and self-indulgence.
John:Number two was selfishness.
John:Number three was ignorance or lack of awareness.
John:Number four was vanity.
John:Number five was inconsistency or unreliability.
John:Number six was unpreparedness, and number seven is impatience.
John:If you want to recap the whole series, I will club them all
John:together into a Captivate playlist.
John:If you go to the show's homepage with Captivate, you'll be
John:able to find grouped episode.
John:If you want to find the written articles group together, you can find those
John:through the Podfluence a weekly LinkedIn newsletter, which again, you'll find In.
John:The show impatience in podcasting is a fast road to quitting.
John:It's just not an industry for the impatient.
John:I can remember when I first got started and back when it was just a project for
John:me rather than a part of my business.
John:I heard Tim Ferriss on his podcast mention that anyone who gets into podcasting to
John:make money is getting into it for the wrong reasons and probably won't last.
John:I do think there are exceptions to this, but for the most part is true.
John:The exceptions are too few and far between to be worth spending much time on.
John:After spending about eight months talking daily with many aspiring new and
John:experienced podcasters, I can tell you that the vast majority of podcast creators
John:are struggling to get listeners even after two to three or even more years of output.
John:Many new podcasters think realistically that they're gonna go
John:from zero to Joe Rogan overnight.
John:You probably have better odds of success from buying a lottery ticket.
John:Shows with corporate or political funding can certainly grow quickly, especially
John:those that pander to more populist views.
John:Shows with celebrities can grow very quickly too.
John:That said, they still need to be good if they're to have any chance of long-term
John:listener retention and long-term success.
John:Getting onto the Apple Podcast's new and noteworthy list does not guarantee
John:podcast success, and people like Neal Veglio have shown it's a system that
John:can be and often is easily gamed.
John:Neil is gonna be a guest on the next episode of Podfluence.
John:My personal preference is towards indie podcasting and podcasters,
John:but I do still enjoy some mainstream entertainment shows with celebrities.
John:One good example of this being French and Saunders Titting
John:about podcast absolutely love it.
John:It would also be true to say that podcast guesting is not
John:a quickfire solution either.
John:It doesn't work like an ad campaign where you would expect to see an almost
John:instantaneous flow of traffic or sales once your ad is launched, provided
John:it's working correctly, it's often a slow burn with a few initial spikes.
John:Many people in their haste to create success and become known through
John:podcasting, take the root of trying to get on as many shows as possible to be
John:able to evangelize their own agenda.
John:In my opinion, that is not the best way to do it,
John:even the quantity over quality approach would take time to have any effect.
John:And in my experience and the experience of feedback I hear from
John:other people, it doesn't do much.
John:The only shows that I've ever personally found to really move the needle for
John:me professionally in terms of getting people registered for my lead magnet and
John:increasing my list size have been the ones who have their target audience dialed in
John:and are already serving them well, and it doesn't need to be a massive audience.
John:If you go on a hundred or more of the wrong shows with the wrong audiences,
John:with podcasters who don't really know what they're doing and are not effectively
John:promoting their shows, what kind of results should you expect to get?
John:The chances are you don't even know that that's what's going on
John:when you are being interviewed.
John:The concept of getting more benefit by going on fewer podcasts seems initially
John:paradoxical, but it isn't at once you add that element of strategic podcast
John:pitching, going on one decent show with the right kind of audience, the right
John:related themes and a well-established host, but someone who you like and who
John:you get along with is going to do much more for you professionally than going
John:on a hundred or more random shows.
John:And it still won't transform your business overnight if you don't have all of your
John:business elements dialed incorrectly.
John:In fact, if you don't have that, it's not gonna help you much.
John:. And what do I mean by business elements?
John:I'm talking about things like your lead magnet, your offer, knowing
John:clearly what you talk about, having a framework and many other things.
John:I'll come back to this a bit later as well.
John:I was speaking at a virtual event a few years back and there was a very
John:well-known speaker and podcaster who heard me speaking at the event, and she loved
John:what I said, and in fact, she loved the whole presentation style so much that
John:she reached out to me like pretty much as soon as I had come off the stage speaking,
John:she offered me an appearance on her podcast and even a job with her company.
John:That's amazing, right?
John:As you can imagine, this was super exciting for me at the time
John:when I was looking for exactly those kinds of opportunities.
John:I hate to say it, and I'm not gonna name the celebrity here.
John:Some of you may or may not know her, but even after multiple
John:attempts of follow up with her, none of those things came to pass.
John:Now, she did eventually throw me a bone with free access to one of
John:her courses, but, well, I shared the story because these kinds
John:of things happen in podcasting.
John:People get the impression that your show's gonna take off because a famous guest
John:agrees to come on, or there are shows that agree to have you on as a guest and
John:then never actually broadcast the episode.
John:If you're not prepared for those setbacks and let downs, you're going
John:to lose heart and probably fairly quickly and maybe even quit altogether.
John:However, I don't want you to quit, especially if it's just
John:because things are sometimes harder than you'd like them to be.
John:the long game of professional promotions through podcast is only gonna pay off for
John:those who are prepared to keep pushing on when it's taking too long, to keep
John:trying to get on bigger shows and who keep working on improving their personal
John:presentation skills as they do so.
John:I've been working on something a bit special recently, and it was
John:inspired by the guys at the email marketing podcast, Rob & Kennedy.
John:I do recommend checking them out.
John:They're really cool.
John:I love their show as well.
John:They're a lot of fun.
John:But what I've created is called the Complete Superstar Podcast Guest
John:Framework, and it contains all of the elements that you need at every stage of
John:your podcast guesting career to maximize your influence, impact, and income.
John:You'll even find all the personal presentation qualities that
John:you need to work on in order to become a superstar guest and a
John:few download bonuses thrown in.
John:And you can get that absolutely free from the link in the show notes.
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John:I'm gonna start releasing some bonus episodes of the show as well, that were
John:recorded before I decided to rebrand and niche down the scope of the show.
John:I think there's still valuable chats for those who are interested.
John:Have some topics still around influence and persuasion
John:around New tropics and more.
John:So do look out for those coming very soon.
John:The next official episode of Podfluence is going to be with a podcasting,
John:coaching some something of an agent Provocateur Neal Veglio, which was so
John:much fun to record, and a very cool chat about the world of podcasting and the
John:professional value of being in podcasting.
John:Definitely worth tuning in for that.
John:That's all for me for this week.
John:Wherever you're going, whatever you're doing, have an amazing rest of your day.