February 20th, 2018 would have been Kurt Cobain’s 51st birthday and it’s hard to believe that he’s been gone for over two decades. Nirvana sold 75 million albums which puts them in the upper echelon of recording artists, but more than that, Kurt Cobain was one of the, if not the, last rock star.
He was aloof and artistic. He hated his fame while being drawn to it. He was the antithesis of the 80s Sunset Strip rocker, eschewing their glammed up hypermasculinity and virtuoso guitarists for dirty sweaters and simple melodies. He seemed to spite the media, but they worshipped him.
Long before we watched every move artists made on Twitter and were a party to their private lives on YouTube and reality television, there was a sense of otherness to our celebrities. Kurt Cobain played guitar simply and sang his heart out with a tuning of his own, but he was not just like us. There was a quality to him that matched the era and he inspired an entire generation that was ready for a change. He was the last of the mainstream rock n’ roll heroes, and just like Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, he died at twenty-seven years old, apparently of a heroin overdose and suicide by shotgun.
And when he died, it ripped people in my generation apart. We were the ones who listened to “Smells Like Teen Spirit” as Freshmen in high school and we made the Alternative Nation the soundtrack of our lives. Kurt Cobain was the John Lennon, he was the epicenter of the movement, and his passing also symbolized a feeling that it was over. The bands that came up in Nirvana’s wake (Bush, Silverchair, etc..) felt like warmed over seconds. The moment had passed. It was the last time that Rock ruled and it was nearly the end of American mainstream culture. By the end of the decade, Hip Hop was the number one genre, MTV only showed videos sometimes, and the alternative movement turned into Nü-Metal. Kurt’s death was the beginning of the end.
Other podcasts and documentary films have covered all the conspiracy theories surrounding his death and those range from his wife Courtney Love hiring a singer to kill her husband (even her wacko father thinks she did it) to the idea that the CIA tried to kill him because he was pro-Clinton (and George H.W. Bush was a former CIA director.)
But what interests us the most is that just because Kurt died doesn’t mean that people haven’t still seen him around. He inspired the kind of loyalty and love in his fans that we just don’t see anymore. He wasn’t just a popular musician, he was a rock deity and he entered the pantheon the only way you can… with his untimely death.
Here are just a few of the Kurt Cobain ghost stories out there, it seems like he’s had a very healthy afterlife so far.
For this episode, we cover the last song off of Nirvana’s breakthrough album, Nevermind. A dark moody classic, “Something In The Way”.
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Speaker:was thinking about that when I woke up today. And then, you know, the next
Speaker:thing I was saying about Wendy was What's that? Nirvana. Oh,
Speaker:it was that kind of day, It was that kind of day. Well, I was
Speaker:trying to think about the first time I heard Nirvana and everything. So for
Speaker:this particular episode, guys, we've been doing some research, and
Speaker:February 20th is Kurt Cobain's birthday.
Speaker:Now he would be I mean, he was 27 in 1994.
Speaker:So born in 67. So Kurt Cobain would be
Speaker:51 years old this year. Wow. That's hard to fathom, isn't it? Yeah.
Speaker:51. And it it's hard to think of him because Dave Grohl's a
Speaker:couple years younger because he still looks I mean, he's beefed up a little bit,
Speaker:but he still looks good. He's still a rock star. You know? I
Speaker:think he looks better now. And I think Dave Grohl is the kinda guy who
Speaker:looks better with a beard too. Like, he looks sharp with that beard. It
Speaker:is a good look for him. Yeah. It's a strong it's a strong look. I
Speaker:mean, because I've been watching old Nirvana videos too. And Nice. Oh,
Speaker:man. And, you know, Chris Young Dave girl. Right. And so Chris Novoselic, the bass
Speaker:player so Nirvana was 3 guys. If you guys so this is gonna be
Speaker:if if you're, like, 20 or, like, you're early twenties, this will probably be
Speaker:the episode where it sounds like we're talking about ancient history.
Speaker:Oh, no. It was a while ago. It was a while
Speaker:Mike, and I was surprised too how long ago it was that it's been
Speaker:I mean, Kurt Cobain has been dead now for
Speaker:24 years or almost 24 years in April.
Speaker:And so That's so hard to believe. Yeah. You're Mike, holy cow.
Speaker:And and the thing is they only have, I mean, 2 major label
Speaker:albums. I mean, you can get you could always get their old album, like, you
Speaker:know, Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, and then they
Speaker:have the Unplugged album that everybody played just in 1995 to death.
Speaker:And and so they were from Seattle, Washington. And the thing is that
Speaker:they made such a lasting impact with so few albums. Yeah. You know,
Speaker:Mike, Jimmy Hendrix had a bunch of albums. The Beatles had a bunch, you
Speaker:know, had had a bunch of albums. The Dolores So many. The Dolores had a
Speaker:lot of albums. And because you think about these other people who were part of
Speaker:the Wendy club. And you think about these bands. And and so
Speaker:Nirvana had relatively few albums with which
Speaker:to create such an amazing impact. Yeah.
Speaker:And okay. So when was the first time you heard Nirvana when? Do you remember?
Speaker:I think it was freshman year of high school. Yeah?
Speaker:Yeah. I think somebody somebody I don't even
Speaker:remember who, but somebody played it or maybe I heard it on the radio.
Speaker:I, I can tell you the moment I first heard the song. Now somebody said
Speaker:to me it was my friend had said to me, we used to jam together
Speaker:on the bass and he was really into Iron Maiden. And, we used
Speaker:to play and Rush. And we used to jam Mike Iron Maiden when I was
Speaker:just when I started on the bass. And See why he got along so well?
Speaker:Yeah. Well, he he really introduced me to Rush. Like, I always liked Rush, but
Speaker:he's the guy that got me, Mike, he's like way into it. I'm like, alright.
Speaker:Like, he'd make mix tapes for me and stuff. Nice. And so,
Speaker:anyway, he's Mike, hey, man. There's this song by a band called Nirvana. I don't
Speaker:know what it is, but you you should hear the song. And I'm like, okay.
Speaker:And this is maybe the Mike, beginning of November in, like, 1991.
Speaker:Okay. And then I remember in the school bus on the way home, the DJ
Speaker:goes, oh, this is Nirvana with Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Speaker:And I mean Oh, man. And immediately all I can think is they named a
Speaker:a song after the deodorant? Exactly. I remember that
Speaker:too. I remember thinking that when I heard that. Now, guys, if you weren't around
Speaker:in the early nineties or let's say you weren't 14 in the
Speaker:early nineties, like we were, then you may have missed
Speaker:this certain kind of deodorant called teen spirit.
Speaker:And what a horrible thing. Right. It was so ridiculous.
Speaker:And the whole idea was that, there was
Speaker:somebody in a different band had wrote us a joke on something Mike Kurt Cobain
Speaker:smells like teen spirit as a joke that he smell he smelled like this
Speaker:girly deodorant or whatever. And there was this, you know, this this
Speaker:riot girl. I think it may have been, the girl from Bikini Kill
Speaker:or something. This Wow. Writes that silly thing about Kurt Cobain. And so he
Speaker:used that as inspiration to write this song, Smells Like Tane
Speaker:Spirit, which became a monster hit. And I I can remember hearing it on the
Speaker:radio and just thinking, this song's
Speaker:awesome. That's cool. You know? Like, I was, like, I was blown away by how
Speaker:it sounded. Uh-huh. You know? And, you know, it's
Speaker:funny because, it it really it didn't sound
Speaker:anything like what else was on the radio at the time. And I I think
Speaker:that's why it made a difference. Yeah. Because okay. So
Speaker:let's go back to, 1991.
Speaker:You got you know, other, like, releases that year were, like, the the
Speaker:second album from Skid Row, you know. Like so, like, hair
Speaker:metal was still there. It was still big. People
Speaker:were still, you know, there was still big hair in the suburbs
Speaker:of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I think I think there is still big hair in the suburbs
Speaker:of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the tale of the show. Yeah. Lots of it.
Speaker:Lots of big hair. Lots of glam metal. All that sunset strip,
Speaker:Motley Crue ish kinda, you know, stuff that was pretty silly. You
Speaker:know, guys dressing up with the makeup and the tights and stuff. And it was
Speaker:fun. I mean, it's fun music, fun party music and everything, but the new
Speaker:generation wanted something different, the the sunset strip music. And so
Speaker:then Nirvana comes in with this song which
Speaker:just, like, sonically and everything. Now people say that Nirvana,
Speaker:like, stole the pixies kind of sound,
Speaker:which was Yeah. The law the, the the soft loud
Speaker:soft like, the like, the soft verse, super loud chorus back to the soft
Speaker:verse. And the Pixies kinda had that same kinda guitar sound and everything.
Speaker:But I think the big difference was the Pixies didn't have Butch
Speaker:Vig as the producer for that first record. That is a big one.
Speaker:Indeed. Yeah. And no. So Butch Vig is a drummer in a band called
Speaker:Garbage, and but he also is a a record producer, and
Speaker:he was based in Madison, Wisconsin. He had smart studios here in in
Speaker:Madison. And he just produced
Speaker:like it it was hard rock, yet at the same Mike, it was
Speaker:poppy enough to be catchy and it was slick and
Speaker:like, the drums pounded. I mean, I just think about the first time that the
Speaker:drums kick in on smells like teen spirit. And there's, like, these there's this couple
Speaker:there's this couple pickup notes that Dave Grohl does. You know? Like, but I'm a
Speaker:he's just Mike, yeah. Like, it sets you up to stand up and go
Speaker:wild. Right. Just like they do in the video. Yeah. Right. Like,
Speaker:all the kids do. And also that video too had a huge impact on
Speaker:people. Because number 1, Kurt Cobain's not dressed up
Speaker:like like, Mike Like, glamour, like, poison or anything.
Speaker:Like, he doesn't he's not wearing a scarf. Not that there's anything wrong with scarves.
Speaker:Obviously, I love him. Yes. But Yes. You do. You know, he's just a dude.
Speaker:He's like a he looks like a junkie. Yeah. You know?
Speaker:He he looks like the character he eventually, you know, he played. And the
Speaker:band, Krist Novoselic, is this 9 foot tall
Speaker:beast on the bass. You know, just, like, looking around, like, is that Bigfoot
Speaker:playing bass? Like, they're from Washington State. Right? That could be actually Bigfoot who
Speaker:plays bass on the Nirvana record. The sasquatch. And then Dave
Speaker:Grohl with his boyish charm in the back, but he just kills. I mean, he's
Speaker:the drummer just kills. Oh, gosh. He is I remember the first time I saw
Speaker:him in the video, and I was like, what is
Speaker:that? So it really did have a huge impact because it it
Speaker:changed everything. And when you when you see behind
Speaker:the music on these old, like, eighties rockers and stuff
Speaker:and I nothing against eighties rock. I love it. You know? I do
Speaker:too. That's exactly what I was listening to before Nirvana hit. And The thing is,
Speaker:when you just heard the name Nirvana, what what came into your
Speaker:head was Mike I was picturing you know,
Speaker:how artists in the sixties were, like, uber spiritual
Speaker:and, you know, like, they are going on vision quests and
Speaker:stuff. Like, when I when my friend said, oh, this band's called Nirvana. I'm like,
Speaker:Nirvana? So are they gonna are they Mike are they like Krishnas or
Speaker:something? You know? And and so that's what I was thinking. Like,
Speaker:what what are they like, what's what's that all about?
Speaker:And and then you real you see them. They're just grungy dudes
Speaker:that are playing, like, you know, big rock songs and stuff. And their
Speaker:second, like, big major label release in utero
Speaker:was actually like, Kurt said that, never Mike.
Speaker:Their their original one was Smells Like Teen Spirit on it, and that has come
Speaker:as you are. And, like, what are they Molly?
Speaker:Not Molly. It's Polly. They have a song called Molly's Lip.
Speaker:Oh my gosh. Kiss kiss Molly's Lip, But it's a song Polly Wants A
Speaker:Cracker. Yes. And so you could listen to it again and again, and
Speaker:you just like, you'll hear you'll know every single song in that album, like, probably
Speaker:just from the radio over the past, you know, 25, 26 years.
Speaker:Mhmm. But the thing is Kurt Cobain thought it was too slick. He's
Speaker:Mike, it's too reduced, man. It's too it was too much. Well, this
Speaker:kinda sets up part of his, dichotomy.
Speaker:And and and part of, I mean, part of the thing about Kurt Cobain was
Speaker:that even on In Bloom, you know, he's the
Speaker:one who likes all those pretty songs, and he likes
Speaker:to sing along, and he likes to shoot his gun. Like, the whole
Speaker:idea is that Kurt was writing a song about how much he hated
Speaker:the rednecks in Aberdeen, Washington or whatever. He likes to shoot his
Speaker:gun, but he don't know what it means. And the idea is he sings along
Speaker:to these songs, but he's a redneck, and he doesn't
Speaker:understand what the music's about. And that you
Speaker:know? But the thing is and so he writes like that, but the idea is
Speaker:the pretty songs. And and Kurt wrote I mean, he wrote pop rock
Speaker:songs, basically. And and so, of course, he wanted to be a
Speaker:rock star. Like and you'd see him in these interviews. He's always complaining and stuff,
Speaker:but, I mean, a lot of money. You know? He he had a pretty good
Speaker:life. And and and that's the thing. Like, if you really didn't want that
Speaker:stuff, then you just wouldn't go on tour. Then you, you know,
Speaker:you you wouldn't Right. Sign the major label record deal. You wouldn't have Butch Vig
Speaker:come in there and then turn your songs into, like, these
Speaker:glittery Pop hits. Yeah. Exactly. And so on
Speaker:the second album, he, had Steve Albini from Electrical Audio
Speaker:in Chicago, and they went up to record at Pachyderm
Speaker:in in Minnesota. And Steve Albini had a more
Speaker:stripped down sound. So In Utero doesn't have that pop sheen,
Speaker:that I think never Mike really set a new standard for the
Speaker:sound of rock recording. And but
Speaker:Nirvana would not have been the hit without that. You
Speaker:know? Like, if Anudora came out, that's my opinion. And you Kurt Cobain fans
Speaker:can come at me come at me bros. But, no,
Speaker:I don't think that, if In Utero came out first,
Speaker:they would not have had the career where Kurt basically
Speaker:became the last rock star. Like, the like, like, the
Speaker:last worshiped rock star. Right. Right.
Speaker:Because if you so think about 1991. It's a
Speaker:time where we still kinda have a mainstream. There's no YouTube where, you
Speaker:know, people can right? I mean, on YouTube, people watch each other
Speaker:play video games. There was no you know, there was none of that. The the
Speaker:video games were crap. We had, like, Super Mario Brothers.
Speaker:I mean, I guess 1991, the Super Nintendo was out. So things were Yeah. There
Speaker:was some cool stuff there. We did have, like, Mario Kart first came out.
Speaker:So there was something. And but it's just we think about
Speaker:today, and there's a niche for everything, You know? That's
Speaker:true. Back then, there was not a niche for every you know? It was just
Speaker:there was a mainstream and then the people who Mike, the weirdos who kinda lived
Speaker:outside it. And Cobain cultivated that king of the
Speaker:losers Yeah. Kind of,
Speaker:image. And and here's the thing. When you think about how
Speaker:the cock rockers were when they, Mike, it was like
Speaker:we are the coolest, the babes love me the most, the you know,
Speaker:that that was the whole thing. Like, I'm the I'm the sweetest guy. I'm gonna
Speaker:do stuff to you. Like, the there's all those songs were about how cool everybody
Speaker:was. Yeah. And Nirvana comes in. First of all, half their lyrics,
Speaker:you're like, I don't even know what this song's about.
Speaker:Right. You know? But then he writes a song like Lithium
Speaker:about how he feels mentally ill sometimes. Yeah. It was a complete
Speaker:one eighty to what had come before, and I think that's what people were really
Speaker:looking for. And that's what set it off. Like, if he didn't have the
Speaker:pretty songs, he wouldn't have been worshiped. Yeah. They wouldn't
Speaker:have heard of him. Right. And it wouldn't caught fire like it did.
Speaker:And man didn't catch fire. Who? I I think just about the people I
Speaker:knew who because first of all, you could play Smells Like Teen
Speaker:Spirit if even if you kinda knew how to play the guitar. Yeah.
Speaker:That definitely helps matters. Right. So you get a 10 and a
Speaker:10. It's 4 chords, and they're just straight up
Speaker:regular. Nothing special chords. Not Eddie Van Halen business or anything.
Speaker:And, well, you know, people talk about The Ramones and how The
Speaker:Ramones influence so many bands that, you know Yeah. That the that
Speaker:some of their shows, like, people are like, yeah. When The Ramones went to the
Speaker:UK to tour, it started, like, 10 different famous UK punk
Speaker:bands. K. Because they saw The Ramones do it, and they're like, if they can
Speaker:do it, we can do it. Yeah. And having so few chords in your songs
Speaker:makes it so that almost anybody can do it. Right.
Speaker:And I think Nirvana was that same Mike of way. It was that
Speaker:kind of thing where it's Mike, I can I love Nirvana? I can play their
Speaker:songs. Yeah. You know? Totally. And you don't have to be there's no 2 handed
Speaker:tapping. Yeah. No shredding. No especially Kirk I mean,
Speaker:Kirkland played, like, a guitar that he I mean, he bought a guitar that he'd
Speaker:destroy on stage whenever he wanted. You know? See, he bought cheap get this
Speaker:Fender Mustangs, whatever. He bought the cheap guitars, so that he could trash
Speaker:them. So he was a persona, and it
Speaker:was a sound, and it was an attitude
Speaker:of he wants to be a serious artist. He wants to be you know, it
Speaker:was important to legitimacy. Like, he's not a sellout kind of guy.
Speaker:Like, today I mean, today's stars and because they need the money,
Speaker:especially in the music business. Today's stars will be in any kind of commercial
Speaker:whatsoever, You know? Or they'll have a thing where they'll you know, like,
Speaker:Walmart will be the sole distributor of their album for 3
Speaker:months or whatever before other people can buy it. That's the complete opposite
Speaker:to what a guy like that would do. So Kurt Cobain, the idea and
Speaker:whether this is another thing that he developed as far as
Speaker:a, part of his marketing, you know,
Speaker:his personal brand or whatever. But integrity
Speaker:and caring about the music and not caring about the fame
Speaker:and, you know, girls and things like that seem that that's part
Speaker:of his persona. That's part of his mystique, and that that ideological
Speaker:purity is very attractive to people too. You
Speaker:know? Because that's then now that's someone you look up
Speaker:to. Right. And it's funny because
Speaker:you think about the other subgenres that start ascending in the early
Speaker:nineties. You take the grunge movement with and the Riot
Speaker:Grrrls and stuff. And and first of all, it also was music that wasn't based
Speaker:around just treating women as sex objects.
Speaker:Yeah. You know? That's the other thing about glam rock. It was just all Mike,
Speaker:oh my gosh. Girls coming to my room. Yeah. You know,
Speaker:all that kind of thing. Like, Kurt
Speaker:Cobain did not look like the kind of guy who is playing music just to
Speaker:get girls. Definitely not. Right? Didn't come across that way
Speaker:anyway. Right. And you always see those, interviews
Speaker:with guys. They're like, oh, why did you pick up the guitar? He's like, well,
Speaker:to get girls. You know? Yeah. I've seen that a million times. Mike, I've
Speaker:started writing songs for the ladies. Right. And the
Speaker:idea that Kurt Cobain played it because he loved the music, and
Speaker:he was looking for an escape and fun, something to get out of Aberdeen, Washington
Speaker:or whatever without having to be, I don't know,
Speaker:some kind of pig. I think it's a very it's an attractive thing.
Speaker:Yeah. Definitely. Plus, he flirted with femininity
Speaker:and stuff. Like, he the makeup he would wear or, like,
Speaker:showing up to a press conference and a dress and stuff in in different ways.
Speaker:Like and and the funny thing is is, like, the, the glam rockers
Speaker:were wearing makeup and stuff all the time, you know, except they were so
Speaker:hypersexual. They're, like, hypermasculine Right. While
Speaker:wearing lipstick. They and teasing their hair. They were hypermasculine.
Speaker:And, you know, this guy could wear kind of a dress, and it'd be it
Speaker:it would mean something completely different That's true. Than than somebody else
Speaker:wearing. So, anyway, we kinda wanna get into why Emmy Kirchovin was
Speaker:probably the last rock star in a way that his death
Speaker:affected millions of people. I mean, to their core
Speaker:too. Oh Mike gosh. So much. In a John Lennon kind of way. Like,
Speaker:when John Lennon died and I mean, who and he was obviously in the biggest
Speaker:band of all time. Or all those sixties rockers and the thing is
Speaker:the sixties rockers had such a bigger audience. You know, they had
Speaker:they had 2 or 3 times the amount of people in the 19
Speaker:sixties as were in generation x who are listening to Nirvana and stuff. And
Speaker:and and so that's that's an interesting thing, that he's
Speaker:there right at the end of the mainstream, and his death
Speaker:turns him from, you know, a rock star
Speaker:into a rock legend. It takes him from being the flavor of the
Speaker:moment to being an immortal,
Speaker:like we think of those 19 like, we talked about the Wendy Club. And we
Speaker:have a whole episode about the Wendy Club by Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix and
Speaker:Janis Joplin and and Kurt Cobain gets thrown in there too.
Speaker:So, you know, there there's a whole thing that, and we won't have to get
Speaker:into this too much because people have really talked about this to death. But,
Speaker:did Courtney Love have Kurt Cobain killed? You know?
Speaker:Because by by 1994, their relationship was on
Speaker:the rocks. She witnessed him Mike an overdose of pills of ruehypnol.
Speaker:He Wendy I don't know why he wanted to give himself ruehypnol, but in Italy,
Speaker:and she said there was his first suicide attempts in Rome. And I remember those
Speaker:reports coming out. And remember, since we didn't have the
Speaker:Internet, you couldn't just check an Internet site and see
Speaker:that was you you can check, like, teeniebop or whatever, 17
Speaker:magazine Right. Dotcom. Yeah. You kinda had to
Speaker:wait for, MTV News. Mhmm. And it was
Speaker:Kurt Loder and, and my girlfriend
Speaker:Tabitha Soren. Oh, geez. And
Speaker:and they would tell you these stories. And it's, like, once a week, you'd have
Speaker:the full thing, but every day, they'd have, like, MTV News Minutes. And,
Speaker:again, if you're young, MTV we you know, we'll beat this to death, but
Speaker:MTV played music videos at the time. It wasn't just a reality show channel.
Speaker:It was bay you mostly played music videos, and they have reality shows every once
Speaker:in a while. And so then you would be excited to see what was happening
Speaker:in the news. And I remember that when the thing came out that, you know,
Speaker:Kurt Cobain had some kind of overdose or some pill thing happened to him in
Speaker:Rome. And this is just a few weeks before his death. You know? And
Speaker:then he goes checks himself into rehab, escapes from rehab 6
Speaker:days later Oh. From Los Angeles, goes back to Seattle, and
Speaker:then a short time after that, he's found dead. And
Speaker:the death was first of all, he's got an OD amount of heroin in the
Speaker:system. So he's overdosed on heroin,
Speaker:gunshot blast to the face, shotgun there with the shells.
Speaker:You know, it's a shotgun, the shells, and then a, like, a
Speaker:suicide note. And so everybody's like, oh, man.
Speaker:Crocobank killed himself. And I remember Wendy that came out, everybody was sitting there talking
Speaker:about it. You know, people are like, oh, man. Croc did you hear Crocobank kill
Speaker:himself? Like, oh, no. And, you know, people were really
Speaker:sad. Yeah. It's terrible. You know, I think that when news came out, I was
Speaker:like, in play practice or something. 1 of the girls started crying.
Speaker:Aw. These little actress types are very dramatic.
Speaker:Right. But this happened. And and
Speaker:so, I mean, Nick Broomfield, made a movie called Kurt and Courtney.
Speaker:There's a book movie that came out called Soaked in Bleach that is
Speaker:also challenging the official story of the death of Kurt Cobain. Courtney loves
Speaker:a father. She had her her estranged father says she
Speaker:did it. Like Wow.
Speaker:Yeah. He, like, goes I mean, he wrote a book and stuff like that, so
Speaker:he claims that Courtney Love but the thing is
Speaker:okay. Now let's say it's true that
Speaker:Courtney Love did you know, she was gonna pay that Il Duce guy
Speaker:$50,000 to go up from Los Angeles. Il Duce, he was a lead singer of
Speaker:a band called The Mentors, and the the Mentors,
Speaker:are horrible. Man, if you listen to their music,
Speaker:their most popular song is called Donkey, d
Speaker:I c anyway. And so it's just it's the usual irreverent,
Speaker:supposed to be funny, but doesn't have the talent to back it up punk rock.
Speaker:Okay. And but the thing is is that this El Duque guy
Speaker:was just a famous crazy man as the lead singers of punk bands often are.
Speaker:And, like, the rumor was he'd do anything for money. He just would do anything
Speaker:for money. Okay. Yeah. I'll take like, if I make money, I'll do it. And
Speaker:so that's why was the idea that Courtney Love offered him
Speaker:$50,000 to off Kurt. Oh, man.
Speaker:And, you know, like his lawyer said that he had called him,
Speaker:or she had he had called her shortly before he died asking about
Speaker:doing a will for the first time. That's
Speaker:interesting. Right. Yeah. And Courtney said
Speaker:that the first time he tried to kill himself, she had said to him that
Speaker:she had considered cheating on him or something. Oh, boy. And she says she's Mike,
Speaker:it made him so upset. That's why he took all those Rohypnol or whatever.
Speaker:And then Nirvana was breaking up at the time too. Like, Dave Grohl talks about
Speaker:it. And part of the reason Nirvana's breaking up is that
Speaker:Courtney realizes that Kurt's only getting a third of the songwriting royalties. Oh,
Speaker:wow. K. Okay. So Chris Novoselic, who plays maybe
Speaker:6 notes in each Nirvana song, like, is
Speaker:gonna make as much as her husband, Kurt Cobain,
Speaker:who wrote all these songs. Yeah. You know? And then
Speaker:Dave Grohl is not even an original member of the band. He didn't join till
Speaker:never mind. And so that's the whole thing. Yeah. Is
Speaker:that, you know, was she trying to get the royalties? Was she try you
Speaker:know, what was she trying to do? But here's something I thought about
Speaker:today. Because I was reading some background of Courtney Love,
Speaker:and, you know, she had, like, a shrine
Speaker:in her house, like, before they were married. And they get
Speaker:married before he becomes, you know, hugely famous.
Speaker:But she is, like, a shrine in her house to wanting
Speaker:wanting her husband to be the most popular rock star in the world. Okay.
Speaker:Like, she does like That's a supportive wife. Yeah. Like, you know,
Speaker:when people do their not not intentions.
Speaker:You say your intentions or you say Sorry. Setting your What's the Stewart's what's the
Speaker:Stewart's Molly thing? The what? I'm good enough. I'm smart enough.
Speaker:Oh, gosh. Darn it. People like me. Yeah. But what what what do they call
Speaker:it? Affirmations. Affirmations. Be like, her affirmation was about
Speaker:how can my husband become the biggest rock star in the world. And so
Speaker:she's really centered on that, and and she's got her own career. Hole is signed,
Speaker:and I think Hole is great. I've been going back and listen to some Korean
Speaker:stuff, and I just forgot. I'm Mike, I always thought The Hole is a great
Speaker:band. Yeah. And I was had a I was Mike Courtney Love too. I was
Speaker:Mike, oh, she's crazy, and she's like, yeah. And I was like, I was actually
Speaker:right. I yes. That that is the appeal. But she
Speaker:I thought she's also extremely talented and ambitious and driven, and
Speaker:there's something to that as well. Yeah. But the thing I was, you know, reading
Speaker:this about her about her. She has this shrine, that she wants Kurt to
Speaker:become incredibly famous. And she's already and she wants to be famous too. Like, she's
Speaker:part of it. But, you know, she also, like, groomed him. Like,
Speaker:she flew out to a concert. She got a guy to fly her out to
Speaker:to a Nirvana concert so that she could try to seduce him or, Mike, she's
Speaker:like, I'm gonna be your girlfriend or whatever. And then they just were very inseparable.
Speaker:Couple of junkies sitting around doing heroin and talking about music
Speaker:and but then
Speaker:she also was known, because she played in bands before. She was a singer of
Speaker:faith no more for a little while. What? Back in the
Speaker:eighties. Yeah. Like, she the thing is she was a rich kid,
Speaker:a trust fund kid. So she she she had a stipend, and she would
Speaker:kinda ingratiate herself into the into the scene by,
Speaker:like, she'd help people fund their albums, or she would show up to band practice,
Speaker:and she'd bring the beer and the food and stuff like that. Like a patron.
Speaker:Like a patron. Yeah. And that's kinda how she got to be into the music
Speaker:scene. She ingratiated herself. But, also, she would
Speaker:find out who the next big thing in the town was and, like, kinda glom
Speaker:onto them or try to she she had a knack for picking who was gonna
Speaker:be successful I see. And then kinda become and become part of their story.
Speaker:And, I mean, from Billy Corgan to
Speaker:I mean, like, she was in faith no more. Yeah. I thought that was interesting.
Speaker:I was Mike, you know, there's that whole that that, like, a feud over who
Speaker:wrote the Mike, the killer in me is the killer in you. Like, you you
Speaker:know, Courtney is, like, I wrote that line for your bass hit, You know?
Speaker:And it's it's funny. She finds her way into all these kind of
Speaker:Mike all these other artists' lives and Kurt's life and ends there. So
Speaker:what if she did have him Mike? Or something,
Speaker:but not to hurt him, not to get,
Speaker:maybe she saw that he was a junkie. $400 a day heroin habit. And I
Speaker:guess it's saying a junkie is wrong, you know, is a is a main thing.
Speaker:He was a heroin addict straight up. And she had a small
Speaker:habit too, but she she said that she spent, like, $20 a day in heroin,
Speaker:and he spent $400 a day. Oh my gosh. This is early 19 nineties. So
Speaker:that is, I mean It's a lot of heroin. Money. It's a lot of heroin.
Speaker:Right. And so what if she saw
Speaker:Nirvana was falling apart? Kurt was basically killing himself,
Speaker:and she knows that once you go,
Speaker:you're no longer just a rock star. You become a legend.
Speaker:She's certified, but what if his death and I'm not I'm not
Speaker:implying her, I'm not implying
Speaker:that she had anything to do with his death because I really don't know. And,
Speaker:Of course not. But what if to me, like, I
Speaker:just thought of, like, well, what if she didn't wanna hurt him? What if not
Speaker:fighting him. She wanted to turn him into a you know, she wanted to
Speaker:turn him into John Lennon. She wanted to turn her husband into
Speaker:really the the last great rock star, and his
Speaker:death solidified that. Oh, man. You
Speaker:know? Because, I mean, you can't talk about Nirvana or Kurt Cobain without
Speaker:including the fact that he shot himself now. It kinda it's kinda it's that's part
Speaker:of the lore. You know? You know? You can talk about the Beatles songs. You
Speaker:can talk about John Lennon's lost weekend when he was, you know, or
Speaker:separated from Yoko, and it and it doesn't have to relate
Speaker:to the fact that John Lennon was shot in 1981.
Speaker:Yeah. But, like, Kurt Cobain, like, it comes to the territory
Speaker:now. So I think about that with Foo Fighters. Their first
Speaker:single was, well, This is a Call. But, like, their their
Speaker:second single might have been Big Me, but the 3rd single I'm going off here
Speaker:if I remember here. The 3rd single was like, I'll stick around.
Speaker:You know, it's like, I'll stick around. I'll stick around the chorus. It's like, I
Speaker:don't owe you anything. I don't owe you anything. When you're listening to it, all
Speaker:you can think of is Dave Grohl's fronting a band, and he's telling that
Speaker:is this a song for Kurt Cobain? I don't owe you anything.
Speaker:You know, I'll stick around. I'm here. Yeah. Like, you did
Speaker:this. And, I mean, they weren't getting along by the end of the like, by
Speaker:Kurt's death anyway. So those kind of things like,
Speaker:we even filter Dave Grohl's music through Kurt Cobain's suicide,
Speaker:or at least we did up until, you know, Dave Dave Grohl became,
Speaker:so huge and beloved. Right. And the drummer for Tenacious
Speaker:d.
Speaker:So those are the kind of the circumstances around his death, and that's just a
Speaker:little bit on Nirvana for for the background. And I kinda wanted to get into
Speaker:that because I wanted to explain what kind of effect he had on people so
Speaker:that we understand why everybody's trying to talk to him
Speaker:in the afterlife. Yeah. You know, that
Speaker:may be a thing with celebrities, but I was just surprised
Speaker:how many people said that they either saw the ghost of
Speaker:Kurt Cobain or they tried to contact, Kurt
Speaker:Cobain after he had like, I'm like, what? I just didn't
Speaker:realize that. Okay. So this is just so somebody's putting
Speaker:ghost stories up on, the, like, the Ghost Radar
Speaker:website. K? Okay. Yeah. So they use the
Speaker:the app Ghost Radar, and Ghost Radar was is an app that says, like, well,
Speaker:you hit there's a ghost nearby. It'll say it, but it also has
Speaker:right. Stupid. But it also has it also
Speaker:has Mike an an EVP kind of thing in there. Okay. Right?
Speaker:So he writes in this is 2013. He's like, I've
Speaker:always been a huge fan of Nirvana, specifically of Kurt. So when I
Speaker:download this app, I put it right next to in utero. And about 6
Speaker:minutes later, I got the word shoot. Then 25 minutes
Speaker:later, I got the name Don. Don was Kurt's middle name,
Speaker:Kurt Donald Cobain. Oh. 8 minutes later, fan
Speaker:came up, and, you know, I'm a fan of Nirvana. Then a few
Speaker:seconds later, I got harmonic. Sorry.
Speaker:Finally, I got shoot kinda, I got shoot about 15 minutes later. He's
Speaker:Mike, could it have been Kurt Cobain trying to talk to me?
Speaker:And, you know, obviously, the story he writes in, it's all, like, the
Speaker:punctuation's off and the spelling's off and everything. So it's it's either
Speaker:a little kid or a guy who's, you know Yeah. He needs to
Speaker:go back to English class. But the thing is, this is obviously a young
Speaker:guy. And Kurt Cobain's been dead for 19
Speaker:years when he sends this in. And so that just he's
Speaker:fascinated. He's like, okay. Did I talk to Kurt Cobain on an EVP session? Because
Speaker:I put I put the thing right next to in utero.
Speaker:Okay. And here's just a few, different Kurt
Speaker:Cobain ghost stories we have.
Speaker:The weirdest one is probably, well, this story.
Speaker:And it it it ran in England, and it was just like a
Speaker:it was just like a paragraph story. But it says, a 24 year old
Speaker:bar manager from Essex, England has finally dealt with the Kurt Cobain ghost
Speaker:that appeared in her compact laptop, The Register reports. Only
Speaker:now it won't boot up. The trouble began when Kurt manifested
Speaker:himself on her screen and demanded that she give us a
Speaker:kiss, love. So the thing is, first of all, give us a kiss, love is
Speaker:a very English thing to say. And so I doubt Kurt Cobain would,
Speaker:like, show up. I mean, he was known to be, you know, a jokester
Speaker:in a lot of Mike. And so him, like, showing up her computer and
Speaker:saying give us a kiss, love. Like, I don't know about
Speaker:that. The funny thing is the manifestation only occurred after turning
Speaker:her laptop off. So that laptop was off and that's when
Speaker:Kurt showed up. That's weird in and of itself. Yeah. Whether it's
Speaker:Kurt or some whatever. The funny thing is the man
Speaker:okay. So in any case, the sightings unnerve the owner who says I'm not a
Speaker:spiritual person. I had to do something. So she said she had your
Speaker:computer exercised. What? Kurt no longer
Speaker:appears on the compact screen, and neither does anything else. The
Speaker:register says that her machine has refused to run since the exorcism, and
Speaker:she blamed excess holy water. Yeah.
Speaker:Okay. So yeah.
Speaker:That's for dicks right there.
Speaker:Like Yep. Yeah. Like, what? I mean, that actually ran in the
Speaker:newspaper, and it was just, like, one of those things, like, one of those side
Speaker:stories. Like, you know how The Onion always has, like, their one paragraph story? This
Speaker:is not an Onion. It was in a real newspaper. Bizarre. Okay. Okay.
Speaker:So and here's people responding to this story, though.
Speaker:Sick Angel, She's a blogger. I was
Speaker:like, I'm not alone anymore. Chris apparition came to me October last year ever since
Speaker:I borrowed the CD from my Wendy, and I soon fell in love with Nirvana.
Speaker:Any of you knows what it's like to wake up shivering and then see his
Speaker:transparent figure staring at me from the frame of my bedroom door. I've
Speaker:been suicidal and depressed ever since, but I feel protected as well.
Speaker:I know how he feels. I would give anything to go back in time to
Speaker:save him and meet him personally. I wish he didn't kill himself the way he
Speaker:did. We all miss him. And then she puts the, you know, you're
Speaker:right, the lyrics from the so when Nirvana's Greatest
Speaker:Hits came out, like, I don't know, like, 15 years ago, it was a while
Speaker:ago, they had a song called, you know, you're right, completed in the
Speaker:studio. Like, it was never released, and so they completed it.
Speaker:Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a hey. Hey. Hey.
Speaker:Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. But the but the lyric is pain. It's I
Speaker:I thought it was hey. It's pain is what he says. Pain.
Speaker:You know you're a wreck.
Speaker:Anyway, I like that song. And other people are
Speaker:writing in, like, my whole life I feel I have a sense to talk to
Speaker:spirits. And I used an online Ouija board last night. It told me that Kurt
Speaker:was in my closet and that I would be here at 2 AM. Oh. I
Speaker:opened Mike closet as soon as I could when I got home that day, and
Speaker:I said, hi. I got no response, but in my head, I felt a
Speaker:sense he was there. Damn. I'd love to see Kurt. By the way, he
Speaker:didn't kill himself. I love you forever, Kurt. I want justice for Kurt.
Speaker:So right. People are really like, you don't think like, you just think, like,
Speaker:you're in Nirvana. Pretty good band. And
Speaker:then other people are like, I love you, Kurt. I want jazz is for
Speaker:Kurt. Yeah. They really feel connected. Yeah. Something's up.
Speaker:Okay. So then there's a guy on, so this comes out,
Speaker:May March 3, 2015. K? So
Speaker:somebody's having a conversation on Tinder. Uh-uh. And he's talking
Speaker:right. Okay. And and so he's talking to somebody, and he keeps
Speaker:referring to his mum. So they think he's in England. But this
Speaker:person's having a a discussion with their this person
Speaker:they, connected with on Wendy, and he's like, I love
Speaker:Nirvana and the Rolling Stones. And she's like, oh, nice. And he goes, I miss
Speaker:Kurt a lot. I once got to meet him. And she's like, what?
Speaker:Seriously? How old are you? I was like, I'm I'm 16. How did
Speaker:you meet him? My mom knew some people who knew him. So you actually met
Speaker:him? Yes. I did. But he died in
Speaker:1994. And he's like, you know those people who are
Speaker:able to get out of their body, and then you're like nothing more than some
Speaker:kind of ghost? I'm able to do that, and don't say I'm crazy.
Speaker:Woah. And she's still playing along, though, at the time. She's like,
Speaker:that's so cool. So you, like, got out of yourself and met him through time?
Speaker:He's like, yeah. Something like that. He goes, it sounds
Speaker:really stupid, but he spends he says he spells really r l l
Speaker:y. So I'm like, no. Actually, that's what sounds stupid.
Speaker:Right. And she's like, that doesn't sound stupid at all. He's like, I swear I'm
Speaker:not lying. She goes, I wish I had that power. He goes, it's not really
Speaker:a power. It's more like a curse. Oh. She's Mike,
Speaker:but you managed to leave your body and go back in time and have your
Speaker:mom's friends organized for you to meet Cor Gauvain. That does not sound like a
Speaker:curse to me. And he goes, when I sleep, I'm able to stand next
Speaker:to Mike, and then my mom comes in and tries to wake me up, but
Speaker:it won't work. But when someone touches my body, I'm not able to get back,
Speaker:and it's really scary.
Speaker:Wow. It's, that voice makes it extra convincing.
Speaker:Thank you. Oh, I should've done it in English accent. When I sleep, I'm always
Speaker:stay next to myself, and then my mom comes in and try to wake me
Speaker:up. There it is. Thank you. That's that's
Speaker:Blimey. Blimey. I met Kakabay through
Speaker:astral Mike travel.
Speaker:Whenever I do an English accent, I just sound like Dick Van Dyke. So
Speaker:but, you know, that's it really is a thing where all
Speaker:these people are, saying the same. So you can just go on YouTube,
Speaker:and people try to contact Kurt Cobain to the spirit box. Oh,
Speaker:there's so many of those. Yeah. Like,
Speaker:this contacting dead scenario. Dial up Kurt Cobain? Yeah.
Speaker:Like, why would he wanna talk to you? Number 1.
Speaker:Like, why would he just, like he he sees you're listening in euro.
Speaker:And he's like, you know what? I'm gonna say this guy shoot
Speaker:Shoot. Through his spirit box. Like, get Right. Get out of
Speaker:town. Kurt Cobain does not care that you're listening to In utero.
Speaker:But people are trying to contact them. Here's one woman. She writes
Speaker:this on the Cafe Mom blog, which I read often.
Speaker:Great paranormal stories on Cafe Mom. Oh. No.
Speaker:I I don't read it often. But well, hey. You know, I'm not gonna judge.
Speaker:Google search. But you no. You do
Speaker:I mean, you have to keep your mind open. Right. But okay.
Speaker:So this is this is from Halloween 2011. And so this
Speaker:woman writes in, and she goes to the psychic.
Speaker:And a psychic Mike, Karen Hollis, in readings
Speaker:readings by karen.com. That's a that's your free plug, Karen Hollis, because you gave us
Speaker:some, some Kurt Cobain stories. But
Speaker:okay. She chooses Kurt Cobain, and she says she's been haunted by his
Speaker:1994 suicide for years. And she wants to talk to him, and
Speaker:she's Mike and she says that Karen is the real deal. You know?
Speaker:So she goes in, and Kurt Cobain seems
Speaker:to show up right away. Like maybe he's standing maybe he's
Speaker:standing next to Jackpot? Maybe he's standing next to her Mike
Speaker:Patrick Swayze stands next to Whoopi Goldberg and goes. So
Speaker:that's I'm picturing Kurt Cobain standing next to Karen.
Speaker:And if I go to Karen's website let's see if I can see her picture.
Speaker:Yep. Okay. So I see Karen. She's just a normal looking, like, soccer
Speaker:mom kind of lady. Okay. So picture Mike a dark room, maybe
Speaker:with a little candles or whatever. Picture a soccer mom
Speaker:sitting there and Kurt Cobain standing next to her and then talking to this woman,
Speaker:and then they and then they start having a conversation. Okay. And
Speaker:Karen says that he regrets that Francis never got a chance to know him for
Speaker:who he was. Francis Bean is his and Courtney Love's daughter.
Speaker:Uh-huh. There were two sides to him. She never got to know the softer side.
Speaker:She's constructed a story in her mind about her father that's not accurate. She's felt
Speaker:limited knowing who she is because of not knowing who he was. He feels badly
Speaker:that she has to live with his legacy, the heaviness of what he did to
Speaker:himself. He felt in life that love was too much
Speaker:hard work. He felt things too deeply. He ran away from Frances emotionally.
Speaker:She's part of his soul. He loves her, and he's with her. He's trying to
Speaker:keep her away from trouble. And we'll get to some more of my Frances Bean
Speaker:getting in trouble. And so is Frances getting married? Karen
Speaker:asked me. And prior to our session, Karen didn't even know that Kurt had a
Speaker:daughter. And then the the lady who went to the psychic is Mike, yeah. Frances
Speaker:Bean just got engaged. And Karen says he really doesn't
Speaker:want her to get married. He doesn't think it's right for her. He doesn't think
Speaker:she's ready. But he says everybody's gotta do their own thing. Now I
Speaker:think it's I mean, this is coming from the man who wrote the rhyme
Speaker:married, buried, and then sang it 6 times in a row.
Speaker:Yeah. Right? Or, you know, in in
Speaker:Heart Shaped Box, he's like, why don't you throw down your umbilical noose so I
Speaker:can climb right back? So, obviously, I mean, he's probably just
Speaker:joking around, but, obviously, he's got some issues that he's expressing
Speaker:in his lyrics. But she says the session was so
Speaker:intense, and had a couple more things he had to say is that
Speaker:he doesn't want Francis to go through depression. His issues with Courtney
Speaker:Love are not yet resolved and won't be until she too passes over. Oh,
Speaker:wow. And they're able to have a conversation. They're gonna have
Speaker:a a posthumous, domestic? Yeah.
Speaker:Totally. That's the He's he says that the idea that Courtney could have been in
Speaker:another relationship was unbearable and that she was involved with a friend of his shortly
Speaker:before he died. He's still angry about people in the music business who
Speaker:stole money from him and later his estate.
Speaker:Francis is not his only child. He also fathered a
Speaker:son, possibly with a woman named Tiffany, but nobody knows
Speaker:about him. So Kurt Cobain's secret child.
Speaker:Now we're talking. Woah. Okay. Here we go. Juicy. Now we're now we're
Speaker:cooking with gayas. Gayas. Besides looking after
Speaker:Francis, Kurt spends his time now helping obscure musicians, at least one of
Speaker:whom is poised to make it big with a song Kurt helped him write.
Speaker:So, Kurt, if you're helping out obscure musicians Yeah. Maybe you can
Speaker:help us. We have open minds. We're open. We we know a couple.
Speaker:He says he doesn't wanna be incarnate anytime soon. It's too harsh here.
Speaker:Anyway, so this woman says that she talked to Kurt
Speaker:Cobain through a psychic. And, also,
Speaker:there was a psychic named doctor Rob Sisna, and he spoke on a
Speaker:radio show in into which he claimed to be speaking to the ghost Kurt Cobain.
Speaker:This is in 2011 as well. Okay. And he does the same kind of
Speaker:thing where he talks about he regrets leaving his daughter,
Speaker:Frances Bean. Aw. So that seems to be a big thing.
Speaker:That's sad. But you and I'm not saying that these guys aren't real
Speaker:psychics or that Karen's not not the not the real deal
Speaker:or or doctor Rob Sysna. But, I mean, that seems like an easy thing
Speaker:to Pretty obvious thing. Yeah. Like, what what what is he upset
Speaker:about? Well, he's upset that, he left his
Speaker:baby daughter and you know? Right. Not that he was a I
Speaker:mean, I I guess he was a very loving father, but I don't know how
Speaker:much attention he could give her when he was strung out in heroin. Yeah.
Speaker:Right? Also, their nanny was a guy named Cali, was
Speaker:one of, Courtney's old boyfriends.
Speaker:So that'd be kinda weird to have her on the house. Yeah.
Speaker:I'd say. You know? But the thing is is that, like, like, that
Speaker:just seems like an obvious thing that a psychic can say. Like, okay. Well, we
Speaker:can say it like this. You know, I'd be interested if,
Speaker:like, he he can tell some kind of story that only the guy from the
Speaker:Melvins will know it's true or something like that, you know. Like, that's Yeah. And
Speaker:the Melvins will be in Madison, so we should we should try to have a
Speaker:spirit box session with buzz from the Melvins maybe and That'd be
Speaker:cool. And Kirk O'Bam, he he might think that's funny because they are they're
Speaker:all very irreverent. You know what I mean? Like, they're not gonna be Mike, oh,
Speaker:man. You're making it for my Wendy. He'll be like, no, man. He'd love this
Speaker:joke. Okay. And then Courtney
Speaker:Love herself was quoted as saying, I'm not Curt, and I have to live with
Speaker:his expletive and his ghost and
Speaker:his kid every day. And then the person is Mike, was she speaking philosophically
Speaker:or she felt his presence as well? It's like, no. Maybe she probably
Speaker:well and and here's the thing too. Like, hundreds
Speaker:of eyewitnesses have seen they spotted Kurt Cobain all over the world
Speaker:that he wanted to leave the famous Mike, and he
Speaker:didn't wanna, you know, he didn't wanna be a rock star anymore. So the idea
Speaker:is is that he faked his own death. And that is a way to escape
Speaker:it. Yeah. He fakes his own death, becomes a
Speaker:legend. But then the thing is, like, you think he wanna leave his daughter behind,
Speaker:Mike, so much so that he wouldn't get to have a relationship with his child,
Speaker:and I I don't buy it. Of course, I don't buy it. That's a pretty
Speaker:huge sacrifice. Yeah. Anyway, so
Speaker:so that's what some of the psychics have said. Now, also, there's
Speaker:a bench in Veretta Park near Seattle,
Speaker:And on April 8, 1994, since Kirkland took his own life, an employee discovered
Speaker:his body in the spare room above the garage. But in the time before his
Speaker:death, Kurt spent most of his days sitting on a bench just outside his
Speaker:house, and people said that they can feel his presence near the
Speaker:bench. That's so cool. Yeah. And others
Speaker:said that they've seen him sitting there or they sit on the bench and they
Speaker:feel like somebody's breathing on them Wow. Or touching them. So I think that
Speaker:Kurt's Mike, you know, I don't know if he's paranormally breathing on them.
Speaker:I got some of that Kurt Cobain I got some of that Kurt Cobain breath
Speaker:all over me. Like,
Speaker:oh, thanks, Kurt. There have
Speaker:been reports of his face appearing in the window of his former home, And
Speaker:the new owner said that during thunderstorms, they can hear whispers from Kurt
Speaker:himself. Now if you go to the site of the
Speaker:bench in Viretta Park, v I r e t t a, just in
Speaker:case you're heading to the Washington area soon, you should probably
Speaker:enjoy enjoy some recreational marijuana and sit on the bench or whatever. It's all
Speaker:legal. If you visit the bench,
Speaker:you'll find a bench full of flowers and cards and running from fans who misses
Speaker:inspirational talents. The city parks department must
Speaker:replace the boards on the bench every so often due to the graffiti left by
Speaker:fans. One guy says he has the original boards that
Speaker:Kurt himself sat on before his suicide.
Speaker:And he says that, after collecting these boards and placing them in his
Speaker:property, he began encountering strange things. He felt a chilling
Speaker:breeze shoot right past him as if someone had run by him. He's heard odd
Speaker:noises and felt a presence, and he believes that Kurt's spirit might be so attached
Speaker:to the boards. Okay. So,
Speaker:that's another, you know, Kurt Cobain ghost story. And, really, Kurt Cobain does
Speaker:have that kind of first of all, he died young. He died in a suicide,
Speaker:and suicides always spawn ghost stories. True.
Speaker:And something else I thought was interesting was that I was looking for, you know,
Speaker:Kurt Cobain stuff, doing research for this article. Lauren
Speaker:Coleman wrote a book called The Copycat Effect. Lauren
Speaker:Coleman is the guy that came up, like, with the word suicide cluster, I think.
Speaker:With the idea that one person kills himself and then other people start. Like, it
Speaker:gives them the idea that suicide's a good idea. And so that's what they always
Speaker:worry when somebody famous kills themselves that other people will do it. I mean, the
Speaker:character arse face from Preacher. And
Speaker:he's not in in the TV show, because it's not set in the 19 nineties.
Speaker:In the TV show, that character shoots himself in the
Speaker:face for a different reason. But in the comic, it's because him and his friend
Speaker:worshiped Kurt Cobain and they were so upset by his death that they thought that
Speaker:shooting themselves is the only way out. Awful. And then he it doesn't work for
Speaker:him. And then he's got a big hole in his face, which is why the
Speaker:name, Arce Face. I mean, it's all very nineties edgy
Speaker:comic kinda thing. And now they're making a they make a TV show of it.
Speaker:But TV show's pretty good. Oh, that's cool. The Preacher. I recommend Preacher. It's
Speaker:fun. Dark. So you gotta be in the mood for dark and dark humor.
Speaker:But, if you listen to this podcast, I have a feeling you might be. Oh,
Speaker:no. So but he said that in Australia, Canada,
Speaker:and France, suicides related to Cobain's death went up.
Speaker:So that the there's he's Mike, there are perhaps 70 copycat suicides
Speaker:directly linked to Cobain, but not in the United States.
Speaker:Because some people say that they handled it really well, like, with all the
Speaker:suicide prevention hotline stuff and everything that came out, after Kurt
Speaker:Cobain was announced that he he killed himself. And,
Speaker:it was not so in other countries. And, you
Speaker:know and the thing is, like, there was just a a story that came out
Speaker:less than 2 weeks ago, maybe just last week, that suicides
Speaker:rose 12% in the period following Robin Williams' death. Wow. That's
Speaker:a lie. So that is Mike a dangerous idea virus. You know,
Speaker:that's the thing. When I worked at the TV station, we would not
Speaker:report, a suicide. Oh. So
Speaker:in, like, the town of Tomah, Wisconsin so Tomah is a small community. There were,
Speaker:like, 3 within a month or 6 weeks or something like that, there
Speaker:were 3, like, middle school suicides. 3 in, like, a town of,
Speaker:like, 20,000 people. Sad. And, you know, and that
Speaker:you you just don't report on the news even though I would be Mike, that's
Speaker:big news because that's something there's something going on. Like, like,
Speaker:send in, like, a team of psychiatrists in there immediately. Yeah.
Speaker:Or, you know, take away the people's forks or whatever you gotta
Speaker:do. But people are killing themselves. I just like, kind of a sad, you
Speaker:know, a sad thing. And I was just surprised that, you know,
Speaker:the the one that Rob Williams thing came out. Anyway, I just wanna mention
Speaker:Lauren Coleman because we also found something on our former a guest of ours
Speaker:on the show. Yeah. We're doing some research about Kurt Cobain. Know? Look at
Speaker:that. You know, people have written, like, fan
Speaker:fiction about the ghost Kurt Cobain. Oh, yeah. Suicide. There is a play
Speaker:called Nevermind, a fictional comedy about a manic
Speaker:depressive NME journalist. NME is an English music magazine who is
Speaker:visited by the ghost of Kurt Cobain when his life reaches a series of new
Speaker:lows. And so Kurt has a discussion with him about killing himself,
Speaker:and that's in the that's in the play. It premiered in London,
Speaker:in 2,009. Then
Speaker:2016, Toronto author, Lynn
Speaker:Crosby, writes, Where Did You Sleep Last Night, which was
Speaker:one of the covers that they performed on, Nirvana Unplugged live
Speaker:in New York is is the name of that. And so that's the name of
Speaker:her book, Where'd You Sleep Last Night. And so what happens is let me read
Speaker:you the the the back cover. Okay. Does true does true love have
Speaker:supernatural power? Where Did You Sleep Last Night is a love story about a
Speaker:teenage girl who embarks on a relationship with Kurt Cobain. Evelyn
Speaker:Gray is a sad and lonely 16 year old from Carnation, Washington who is terrorized
Speaker:by her classmates at school. She spends most of her time in her room reading,
Speaker:writing letters to dead people, listening to old records, and talking to the poster of
Speaker:Kurt Cobain above her bed. Her mother is an alcoholic
Speaker:grunge relic from Seattle whose recollections, books, and music help ignite Evelyn's love
Speaker:for Cobain, a love so painfully strong that it summons a deceased
Speaker:singer to her side. When Evelyn is taken to the hospital after an overdose,
Speaker:she awakens to find Cobain, who has little or no memory of his former life,
Speaker:convalescing in the bed beside. Oh, wow.
Speaker:Okay. Would you go to see that? Yeah. Sounds pretty
Speaker:interesting, I gotta say. Yeah. Yeah. So that's,
Speaker:Where Did You Sleep Last Night, and it looks interesting. And let's see.
Speaker:So it's got a bunch of 5 star reviews and a couple 1 star
Speaker:reviews on Amazon. But, I mean, people is I mean, they're just fascinated with him.
Speaker:You know? Yeah. Even Infowars. Even Alex Jones is fascinated with
Speaker:him. Because they have this whole thing. I mean, first of all,
Speaker:the idea is Kurt Kurt Cobain had been murdered by the
Speaker:CIA because he was a Bill Clinton support.
Speaker:And George Bush was George h w Bush, his job before being vice
Speaker:president was the head of the CIA. So that's that's that's one of the
Speaker:silly That's one of the silly conspiracies because, also, it'd be 2 years after the
Speaker:election. Like, what's Kurt gonna do? Right. Like, they're gonna make Kurt Cobain,
Speaker:like, stump for Bob Dole. Oh. Yeah. Bob Dole is not
Speaker:he's not gonna be, like, a Bob Dole fan. No. But there's also the idea
Speaker:that Kurt was into occult stuff because he was really into this beat
Speaker:writer named William s Burrows. Now William s
Speaker:Burrows wrote Naked Lunch. He just wrote
Speaker:a lot he's really into weird stuff, really into cult stuff. Like, one of those
Speaker:guys who hung out like, the beat poets, Jack Kerouac, all those guys had
Speaker:you know, there's a little bit of occultism in there. Yeah. And so Kurt
Speaker:Cobain's really into to William s Burroughs, and there's
Speaker:this whole thing on prisonplanet.com, which is another one of Alex Jones'
Speaker:Infowars sites. And there's this whole story about how this
Speaker:guy is trying to connect Kurt Cobain to
Speaker:William s Burroughs and, like, strange they, like,
Speaker:they performed a strange sex magic occult.
Speaker:Yeah. Like, ritual. You know, Burroughs is
Speaker:famous for accidentally shooting his wife at a party in Mike
Speaker:in 1951. Courtney Love plays that wife in a
Speaker:movie with Kiefer Sutherland
Speaker:Oh. As, William s Burrows. And it's and Ron
Speaker:Livingston, speaking of the Hey. Alright. We love Ron
Speaker:Livingston from Office Space and Norman Reedus, who's Daryl
Speaker:on The Walking Dead. So I'm gonna have to see that Beat movie because
Speaker:it's it sounds like it'd be really interesting. But the idea is that that he
Speaker:was into what he wanted to be part of 1 you know, Burroughs, like, secret
Speaker:satanic occult society, and so he met him 6 months
Speaker:before his death. They performed some kind of sex ritual and then,
Speaker:you know, he he he died because he was experimenting with too much occult
Speaker:stuff, basically, is is what this guy says. And
Speaker:I still I I still prefer the idea that Courtney Love did it to make
Speaker:Kurt a living legend. I mean, not a nonliving
Speaker:legend, I should say. Okay. And then
Speaker:speaking of satanism, Francis Bean has been hanging
Speaker:around with, like Anton LaVey's Oh, boy.
Speaker:Daughter. So and talk
Speaker:talking about her marriage, there's something weird going
Speaker:on where her estranged husband so they're
Speaker:already estranged. You know, Mike, Francis Bean's, like, you know, 25 or 26 years
Speaker:old. Uh-huh. And he's she's already estranged from her husband, and
Speaker:he was recently kidnapped. What? Yeah.
Speaker:By yeah. By a guy named Sam Lufti. Oh. And,
Speaker:like, Sam Lufti was, like, one of his former like,
Speaker:a former manager. And he was once
Speaker:accused of drugging and emotionally abusing Britney Spears during her public
Speaker:meltdown. Wow. Remember when she took remember when she took the golf club,
Speaker:like, to the paparazzi car and shaved her head and stuff like that? Sad.
Speaker:So it sounds like he's a really nice guy.
Speaker:Yeah. So this is Sam. Look at you guys. But the thing is Oh, it's
Speaker:Tom Grant. Tom Grant is, the private investigator
Speaker:who worked for Courtney Love. When when Kurt Cobain ran away from rehab,
Speaker:Courtney Love hired a private investigator to find him. Oh, okay. She didn't realize it
Speaker:was just at home. Like, she didn't have, like, find my friends in her
Speaker:iPhone, and she could see Kurt's iPhone at the at the ranch. She,
Speaker:you know, it's like, oh, no. And so she hires him. And then Tom Grant,
Speaker:since then, since his death, has said that it's it was a murder. Like, he's
Speaker:a conspiracy theorist totally about Kurt Cobain's death. Oh, wow. And,
Speaker:you know, he's interviewed saying that, you know, something's up
Speaker:that they, they kidnapped Frances
Speaker:Bean's soon to be ex husband. But she's
Speaker:also, saying that she finds Satanist fascinating.
Speaker:So who knows if Frances beat she's a model now, so she's doing alright. Even
Speaker:with Courtney Love as a mom who accidentally admitted to
Speaker:doing heroin, like, in the beginning of her pregnancy. Oh, dear. And the thing with
Speaker:the Courtney Love though, you never know how many of those things are, For attention
Speaker:or Yeah. To to to shock people. Right.
Speaker:You know, to get a to get a rise because but Frances is fine.
Speaker:There was even, there was a movie that came out recently speaking of Courtney
Speaker:Love that she had asked a director to take a whole bunch of home you
Speaker:know, take some of their old home movies, do some new interviews,
Speaker:take Kurt's, like, journals and and and put stuff
Speaker:together, and a movie's called Montage of Heck.
Speaker:And in October of 2015, they made a haunted house
Speaker:with, like, Kurt's nightmares as the
Speaker:haunt house. Wow. Like, that was the instead of, like, having, like, a
Speaker:monster or a ghost That sounds very sad. They had they had,
Speaker:like That does not sound fun. Like, some of his nightmares were, like,
Speaker:you enter a room and someone playing Courtney Love is in a closet
Speaker:and she's yelling at Kurt, like a guy playing Kurt who's on a toilet,
Speaker:like, you're a junkie. You're just a junkie. You're no good.
Speaker:There's a there's a guy dressed like El Duce, that guy
Speaker:from The Mentors, who's, you know, he
Speaker:I mean, he says, like, leering things to the girls who walk by. Mike, I
Speaker:wanna get you, girl. That is, Mike, I mean, it's
Speaker:really sad. But think about the creativity for somebody to come up with something like
Speaker:that And to sit there and try to imagine of all the worst things
Speaker:that he went through. I mean, yeah. That's dark. The thing is in
Speaker:the movie and they talk they talk about this. So one thing Kurt did was,
Speaker:like, he tries to have sex with, like, a special needs girl or
Speaker:something. And he ends up being, like, super ashamed about it and stuff. It doesn't
Speaker:work. But they have, like, her in the she's,
Speaker:and that was, like, his most like, he said, like, it was his worst moment
Speaker:where he did something he didn't want to or he was ashamed of it
Speaker:because he was gonna be, like, just using this girl. And then
Speaker:but the one of the guys from the Melvins said that the story is crap.
Speaker:And he's like, it's not even a real story. He's like, I would've heard about
Speaker:that story if it was real. Because they went to high school together. So he's
Speaker:like, I would've known about that story. He's like, it's not a real thing.
Speaker:But, you know, they have, like, that scene play out where he's, like, putting the
Speaker:moose on her on the bed and stuff like that in the room. And so,
Speaker:like, they put this whole thing together, to make a Kurt Cobain themed
Speaker:haunted house. And the the final nightmare is
Speaker:that, it's supposed to be Francis Bean, as a
Speaker:rapper. Okay. I like her little sense of
Speaker:humor. Not not all of her. And her DJ,
Speaker:has Mike ICP makeup. Oh my god.
Speaker:So that she turns into Mike a Mike a white trash,
Speaker:like his nightmare from Aberdeen, Washington.
Speaker:So, yeah. So people are just fascinated. Mike, Kurt Cobain
Speaker:had as much of his music as possible to people. He he
Speaker:seems to just as much effect on them in death as he had in life.
Speaker:Wow. Definitely very Panama.
Speaker:Anyway, love his music and what part of the reason,
Speaker:that it was so popular is that, it was fun to
Speaker:play, and you could, you know, and you could just pick up guitar and play
Speaker:it. So we're gonna do that right now,
Speaker:with one of my absolute favorite Nirvana songs. And the story behind this song is
Speaker:that he was playing it for Butch Vague on this old guitar. He wanted the
Speaker:full band to do it, like a big rock song, and Butch is like, no.
Speaker:You should do it like this. Just have it be a stripped
Speaker:down acoustic song with some strings and stuff,
Speaker:and it turns into something that sounds like nothing else on the album and I
Speaker:love it. And so here's Sunspot doing Nirvana's
Speaker:Something in the Way.
Speaker:Any feelings.
Speaker:The ceiling. It's okay
Speaker:to fish because they don't have
Speaker:any feelings.
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