February 20th, 2018 would have been Kurt Cobain’s 51st birthday and it’s hard to believe that he’s been gone for over two decades. Nirvana sold 75 million albums which puts them in the upper echelon of recording artists, but more than that, Kurt Cobain was one of the, if not the, last rock star.

He was aloof and artistic. He hated his fame while being drawn to it. He was the antithesis of the 80s Sunset Strip rocker, eschewing their glammed up hypermasculinity and virtuoso guitarists for dirty sweaters and simple melodies. He seemed to spite the media, but they worshipped him.

Long before we watched every move artists made on Twitter and were a party to their private lives on YouTube and reality television, there was a sense of otherness to our celebrities. Kurt Cobain played guitar simply and sang his heart out with a tuning of his own, but he was not just like us. There was a quality to him that matched the era and he inspired an entire generation that was ready for a change. He was the last of the mainstream rock n’ roll heroes, and just like Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, he died at twenty-seven years old, apparently of a heroin overdose and suicide by shotgun.

And when he died, it ripped people in my generation apart. We were the ones who listened to “Smells Like Teen Spirit” as Freshmen in high school and we made the Alternative Nation the soundtrack of our lives. Kurt Cobain was the John Lennon, he was the epicenter of the movement, and his passing also symbolized a feeling that it was over. The bands that came up in Nirvana’s wake (Bush, Silverchair, etc..) felt like warmed over seconds. The moment had passed. It was the last time that Rock ruled and it was nearly the end of American mainstream culture. By the end of the decade, Hip Hop was the number one genre, MTV only showed videos sometimes, and the alternative movement turned into Nü-Metal. Kurt’s death was the beginning of the end.

Other podcasts and documentary films have covered all the conspiracy theories surrounding his death and those range from his wife Courtney Love hiring a singer to kill her husband (even her wacko father thinks she did it) to the idea that the CIA tried to kill him because he was pro-Clinton (and George H.W. Bush was a former CIA director.)

But what interests us the most is that just because Kurt died doesn’t mean that people haven’t still seen him around. He inspired the kind of loyalty and love in his fans that we just don’t see anymore. He wasn’t just a popular musician, he was a rock deity and he entered the pantheon the only way you can… with his untimely death.

Here are just a few of the Kurt Cobain ghost stories out there, it seems like he’s had a very healthy afterlife so far.

• This guy said he astral projected himself through time to meet Kurt
• This English woman said Kurt Cobain was haunting her laptop 
• This investigator thinks he talked to Kurt through the Ghost Radar app
• This woman talked to Kurt’s ghost through a psychic (like Demi Moore in Ghost)
• A “real” spirit box session with Kurt Cobain
• More Spirit Box work with Kurt
• Was Kurt’s voice picked up in this EVP while the investigators were listening to Nirvana?
• People say they see Kurt Cobain’s ghost at Viretta Park near his home
• Here’s a Kurt Cobain-themed haunted house…

For this episode, we cover the last song off of Nirvana’s breakthrough album, Nevermind. A dark moody classic, “Something In The Way”.

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you very much. Yes. Thank you, friends. So that was that was fun. So I

was thinking about that when I woke up today. And then, you know, the next

thing I was saying about Wendy was What's that? Nirvana. Oh,

it was that kind of day, It was that kind of day. Well, I was

trying to think about the first time I heard Nirvana and everything. So for

this particular episode, guys, we've been doing some research, and

February 20th is Kurt Cobain's birthday.

Now he would be I mean, he was 27 in 1994.

So born in 67. So Kurt Cobain would be

51 years old this year. Wow. That's hard to fathom, isn't it? Yeah.

51. And it it's hard to think of him because Dave Grohl's a

couple years younger because he still looks I mean, he's beefed up a little bit,

but he still looks good. He's still a rock star. You know? I

think he looks better now. And I think Dave Grohl is the kinda guy who

looks better with a beard too. Like, he looks sharp with that beard. It

is a good look for him. Yeah. It's a strong it's a strong look. I

mean, because I've been watching old Nirvana videos too. And Nice. Oh,

man. And, you know, Chris Young Dave girl. Right. And so Chris Novoselic, the bass

player so Nirvana was 3 guys. If you guys so this is gonna be

if if you're, like, 20 or, like, you're early twenties, this will probably be

the episode where it sounds like we're talking about ancient history.

Oh, no. It was a while ago. It was a while

Mike, and I was surprised too how long ago it was that it's been

I mean, Kurt Cobain has been dead now for

24 years or almost 24 years in April.

And so That's so hard to believe. Yeah. You're Mike, holy cow.

And and the thing is they only have, I mean, 2 major label

albums. I mean, you can get you could always get their old album, like, you

know, Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, and then they

have the Unplugged album that everybody played just in 1995 to death.

And and so they were from Seattle, Washington. And the thing is that

they made such a lasting impact with so few albums. Yeah. You know,

Mike, Jimmy Hendrix had a bunch of albums. The Beatles had a bunch, you

know, had had a bunch of albums. The Dolores So many. The Dolores had a

lot of albums. And because you think about these other people who were part of

the Wendy club. And you think about these bands. And and so

Nirvana had relatively few albums with which

to create such an amazing impact. Yeah.

And okay. So when was the first time you heard Nirvana when? Do you remember?

I think it was freshman year of high school. Yeah?

Yeah. I think somebody somebody I don't even

remember who, but somebody played it or maybe I heard it on the radio.

I, I can tell you the moment I first heard the song. Now somebody said

to me it was my friend had said to me, we used to jam together

on the bass and he was really into Iron Maiden. And, we used

to play and Rush. And we used to jam Mike Iron Maiden when I was

just when I started on the bass. And See why he got along so well?

Yeah. Well, he he really introduced me to Rush. Like, I always liked Rush, but

he's the guy that got me, Mike, he's like way into it. I'm like, alright.

Like, he'd make mix tapes for me and stuff. Nice. And so,

anyway, he's Mike, hey, man. There's this song by a band called Nirvana. I don't

know what it is, but you you should hear the song. And I'm like, okay.

And this is maybe the Mike, beginning of November in, like, 1991.

Okay. And then I remember in the school bus on the way home, the DJ

goes, oh, this is Nirvana with Smells Like Teen Spirit.

And I mean Oh, man. And immediately all I can think is they named a

a song after the deodorant? Exactly. I remember that

too. I remember thinking that when I heard that. Now, guys, if you weren't around

in the early nineties or let's say you weren't 14 in the

early nineties, like we were, then you may have missed

this certain kind of deodorant called teen spirit.

And what a horrible thing. Right. It was so ridiculous.

And the whole idea was that, there was

somebody in a different band had wrote us a joke on something Mike Kurt Cobain

smells like teen spirit as a joke that he smell he smelled like this

girly deodorant or whatever. And there was this, you know, this this

riot girl. I think it may have been, the girl from Bikini Kill

or something. This Wow. Writes that silly thing about Kurt Cobain. And so he

used that as inspiration to write this song, Smells Like Tane

Spirit, which became a monster hit. And I I can remember hearing it on the

radio and just thinking, this song's

awesome. That's cool. You know? Like, I was, like, I was blown away by how

it sounded. Uh-huh. You know? And, you know, it's

funny because, it it really it didn't sound

anything like what else was on the radio at the time. And I I think

that's why it made a difference. Yeah. Because okay. So

let's go back to, 1991.

You got you know, other, like, releases that year were, like, the the

second album from Skid Row, you know. Like so, like, hair

metal was still there. It was still big. People

were still, you know, there was still big hair in the suburbs

of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I think I think there is still big hair in the suburbs

of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the tale of the show. Yeah. Lots of it.

Lots of big hair. Lots of glam metal. All that sunset strip,

Motley Crue ish kinda, you know, stuff that was pretty silly. You

know, guys dressing up with the makeup and the tights and stuff. And it was

fun. I mean, it's fun music, fun party music and everything, but the new

generation wanted something different, the the sunset strip music. And so

then Nirvana comes in with this song which

just, like, sonically and everything. Now people say that Nirvana,

like, stole the pixies kind of sound,

which was Yeah. The law the, the the soft loud

soft like, the like, the soft verse, super loud chorus back to the soft

verse. And the Pixies kinda had that same kinda guitar sound and everything.

But I think the big difference was the Pixies didn't have Butch

Vig as the producer for that first record. That is a big one.

Indeed. Yeah. And no. So Butch Vig is a drummer in a band called

Garbage, and but he also is a a record producer, and

he was based in Madison, Wisconsin. He had smart studios here in in

Madison. And he just produced

like it it was hard rock, yet at the same Mike, it was

poppy enough to be catchy and it was slick and

like, the drums pounded. I mean, I just think about the first time that the

drums kick in on smells like teen spirit. And there's, like, these there's this couple

there's this couple pickup notes that Dave Grohl does. You know? Like, but I'm a

he's just Mike, yeah. Like, it sets you up to stand up and go

wild. Right. Just like they do in the video. Yeah. Right. Like,

all the kids do. And also that video too had a huge impact on

people. Because number 1, Kurt Cobain's not dressed up

like like, Mike Like, glamour, like, poison or anything.

Like, he doesn't he's not wearing a scarf. Not that there's anything wrong with scarves.

Obviously, I love him. Yes. But Yes. You do. You know, he's just a dude.

He's like a he looks like a junkie. Yeah. You know?

He he looks like the character he eventually, you know, he played. And the

band, Krist Novoselic, is this 9 foot tall

beast on the bass. You know, just, like, looking around, like, is that Bigfoot

playing bass? Like, they're from Washington State. Right? That could be actually Bigfoot who

plays bass on the Nirvana record. The sasquatch. And then Dave

Grohl with his boyish charm in the back, but he just kills. I mean, he's

the drummer just kills. Oh, gosh. He is I remember the first time I saw

him in the video, and I was like, what is

that? So it really did have a huge impact because it it

changed everything. And when you when you see behind

the music on these old, like, eighties rockers and stuff

and I nothing against eighties rock. I love it. You know? I do

too. That's exactly what I was listening to before Nirvana hit. And The thing is,

when you just heard the name Nirvana, what what came into your

head was Mike I was picturing you know,

how artists in the sixties were, like, uber spiritual

and, you know, like, they are going on vision quests and

stuff. Like, when I when my friend said, oh, this band's called Nirvana. I'm like,

Nirvana? So are they gonna are they Mike are they like Krishnas or

something? You know? And and so that's what I was thinking. Like,

what what are they like, what's what's that all about?

And and then you real you see them. They're just grungy dudes

that are playing, like, you know, big rock songs and stuff. And their

second, like, big major label release in utero

was actually like, Kurt said that, never Mike.

Their their original one was Smells Like Teen Spirit on it, and that has come

as you are. And, like, what are they Molly?

Not Molly. It's Polly. They have a song called Molly's Lip.

Oh my gosh. Kiss kiss Molly's Lip, But it's a song Polly Wants A

Cracker. Yes. And so you could listen to it again and again, and

you just like, you'll hear you'll know every single song in that album, like, probably

just from the radio over the past, you know, 25, 26 years.

Mhmm. But the thing is Kurt Cobain thought it was too slick. He's

Mike, it's too reduced, man. It's too it was too much. Well, this

kinda sets up part of his, dichotomy.

And and and part of, I mean, part of the thing about Kurt Cobain was

that even on In Bloom, you know, he's the

one who likes all those pretty songs, and he likes

to sing along, and he likes to shoot his gun. Like, the whole

idea is that Kurt was writing a song about how much he hated

the rednecks in Aberdeen, Washington or whatever. He likes to shoot his

gun, but he don't know what it means. And the idea is he sings along

to these songs, but he's a redneck, and he doesn't

understand what the music's about. And that you

know? But the thing is and so he writes like that, but the idea is

the pretty songs. And and Kurt wrote I mean, he wrote pop rock

songs, basically. And and so, of course, he wanted to be a

rock star. Like and you'd see him in these interviews. He's always complaining and stuff,

but, I mean, a lot of money. You know? He he had a pretty good

life. And and and that's the thing. Like, if you really didn't want that

stuff, then you just wouldn't go on tour. Then you, you know,

you you wouldn't Right. Sign the major label record deal. You wouldn't have Butch Vig

come in there and then turn your songs into, like, these

glittery Pop hits. Yeah. Exactly. And so on

the second album, he, had Steve Albini from Electrical Audio

in Chicago, and they went up to record at Pachyderm

in in Minnesota. And Steve Albini had a more

stripped down sound. So In Utero doesn't have that pop sheen,

that I think never Mike really set a new standard for the

sound of rock recording. And but

Nirvana would not have been the hit without that. You

know? Like, if Anudora came out, that's my opinion. And you Kurt Cobain fans

can come at me come at me bros. But, no,

I don't think that, if In Utero came out first,

they would not have had the career where Kurt basically

became the last rock star. Like, the like, like, the

last worshiped rock star. Right. Right.

Because if you so think about 1991. It's a

time where we still kinda have a mainstream. There's no YouTube where, you

know, people can right? I mean, on YouTube, people watch each other

play video games. There was no you know, there was none of that. The the

video games were crap. We had, like, Super Mario Brothers.

I mean, I guess 1991, the Super Nintendo was out. So things were Yeah. There

was some cool stuff there. We did have, like, Mario Kart first came out.

So there was something. And but it's just we think about

today, and there's a niche for everything, You know? That's

true. Back then, there was not a niche for every you know? It was just

there was a mainstream and then the people who Mike, the weirdos who kinda lived

outside it. And Cobain cultivated that king of the

losers Yeah. Kind of,

image. And and here's the thing. When you think about how

the cock rockers were when they, Mike, it was like

we are the coolest, the babes love me the most, the you know,

that that was the whole thing. Like, I'm the I'm the sweetest guy. I'm gonna

do stuff to you. Like, the there's all those songs were about how cool everybody

was. Yeah. And Nirvana comes in. First of all, half their lyrics,

you're like, I don't even know what this song's about.

Right. You know? But then he writes a song like Lithium

about how he feels mentally ill sometimes. Yeah. It was a complete

one eighty to what had come before, and I think that's what people were really

looking for. And that's what set it off. Like, if he didn't have the

pretty songs, he wouldn't have been worshiped. Yeah. They wouldn't

have heard of him. Right. And it wouldn't caught fire like it did.

And man didn't catch fire. Who? I I think just about the people I

knew who because first of all, you could play Smells Like Teen

Spirit if even if you kinda knew how to play the guitar. Yeah.

That definitely helps matters. Right. So you get a 10 and a

10. It's 4 chords, and they're just straight up

regular. Nothing special chords. Not Eddie Van Halen business or anything.

And, well, you know, people talk about The Ramones and how The

Ramones influence so many bands that, you know Yeah. That the that

some of their shows, like, people are like, yeah. When The Ramones went to the

UK to tour, it started, like, 10 different famous UK punk

bands. K. Because they saw The Ramones do it, and they're like, if they can

do it, we can do it. Yeah. And having so few chords in your songs

makes it so that almost anybody can do it. Right.

And I think Nirvana was that same Mike of way. It was that

kind of thing where it's Mike, I can I love Nirvana? I can play their

songs. Yeah. You know? Totally. And you don't have to be there's no 2 handed

tapping. Yeah. No shredding. No especially Kirk I mean,

Kirkland played, like, a guitar that he I mean, he bought a guitar that he'd

destroy on stage whenever he wanted. You know? See, he bought cheap get this

Fender Mustangs, whatever. He bought the cheap guitars, so that he could trash

them. So he was a persona, and it

was a sound, and it was an attitude

of he wants to be a serious artist. He wants to be you know, it

was important to legitimacy. Like, he's not a sellout kind of guy.

Like, today I mean, today's stars and because they need the money,

especially in the music business. Today's stars will be in any kind of commercial

whatsoever, You know? Or they'll have a thing where they'll you know, like,

Walmart will be the sole distributor of their album for 3

months or whatever before other people can buy it. That's the complete opposite

to what a guy like that would do. So Kurt Cobain, the idea and

whether this is another thing that he developed as far as

a, part of his marketing, you know,

his personal brand or whatever. But integrity

and caring about the music and not caring about the fame

and, you know, girls and things like that seem that that's part

of his persona. That's part of his mystique, and that that ideological

purity is very attractive to people too. You

know? Because that's then now that's someone you look up

to. Right. And it's funny because

you think about the other subgenres that start ascending in the early

nineties. You take the grunge movement with and the Riot

Grrrls and stuff. And and first of all, it also was music that wasn't based

around just treating women as sex objects.

Yeah. You know? That's the other thing about glam rock. It was just all Mike,

oh my gosh. Girls coming to my room. Yeah. You know,

all that kind of thing. Like, Kurt

Cobain did not look like the kind of guy who is playing music just to

get girls. Definitely not. Right? Didn't come across that way

anyway. Right. And you always see those, interviews

with guys. They're like, oh, why did you pick up the guitar? He's like, well,

to get girls. You know? Yeah. I've seen that a million times. Mike, I've

started writing songs for the ladies. Right. And the

idea that Kurt Cobain played it because he loved the music, and

he was looking for an escape and fun, something to get out of Aberdeen, Washington

or whatever without having to be, I don't know,

some kind of pig. I think it's a very it's an attractive thing.

Yeah. Definitely. Plus, he flirted with femininity

and stuff. Like, he the makeup he would wear or, like,

showing up to a press conference and a dress and stuff in in different ways.

Like and and the funny thing is is, like, the, the glam rockers

were wearing makeup and stuff all the time, you know, except they were so

hypersexual. They're, like, hypermasculine Right. While

wearing lipstick. They and teasing their hair. They were hypermasculine.

And, you know, this guy could wear kind of a dress, and it'd be it

it would mean something completely different That's true. Than than somebody else

wearing. So, anyway, we kinda wanna get into why Emmy Kirchovin was

probably the last rock star in a way that his death

affected millions of people. I mean, to their core

too. Oh Mike gosh. So much. In a John Lennon kind of way. Like,

when John Lennon died and I mean, who and he was obviously in the biggest

band of all time. Or all those sixties rockers and the thing is

the sixties rockers had such a bigger audience. You know, they had

they had 2 or 3 times the amount of people in the 19

sixties as were in generation x who are listening to Nirvana and stuff. And

and and so that's that's an interesting thing, that he's

there right at the end of the mainstream, and his death

turns him from, you know, a rock star

into a rock legend. It takes him from being the flavor of the

moment to being an immortal,

like we think of those 19 like, we talked about the Wendy Club. And we

have a whole episode about the Wendy Club by Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix and

Janis Joplin and and Kurt Cobain gets thrown in there too.

So, you know, there there's a whole thing that, and we won't have to get

into this too much because people have really talked about this to death. But,

did Courtney Love have Kurt Cobain killed? You know?

Because by by 1994, their relationship was on

the rocks. She witnessed him Mike an overdose of pills of ruehypnol.

He Wendy I don't know why he wanted to give himself ruehypnol, but in Italy,

and she said there was his first suicide attempts in Rome. And I remember those

reports coming out. And remember, since we didn't have the

Internet, you couldn't just check an Internet site and see

that was you you can check, like, teeniebop or whatever, 17

magazine Right. Dotcom. Yeah. You kinda had to

wait for, MTV News. Mhmm. And it was

Kurt Loder and, and my girlfriend

Tabitha Soren. Oh, geez. And

and they would tell you these stories. And it's, like, once a week, you'd have

the full thing, but every day, they'd have, like, MTV News Minutes. And,

again, if you're young, MTV we you know, we'll beat this to death, but

MTV played music videos at the time. It wasn't just a reality show channel.

It was bay you mostly played music videos, and they have reality shows every once

in a while. And so then you would be excited to see what was happening

in the news. And I remember that when the thing came out that, you know,

Kurt Cobain had some kind of overdose or some pill thing happened to him in

Rome. And this is just a few weeks before his death. You know? And

then he goes checks himself into rehab, escapes from rehab 6

days later Oh. From Los Angeles, goes back to Seattle, and

then a short time after that, he's found dead. And

the death was first of all, he's got an OD amount of heroin in the

system. So he's overdosed on heroin,

gunshot blast to the face, shotgun there with the shells.

You know, it's a shotgun, the shells, and then a, like, a

suicide note. And so everybody's like, oh, man.

Crocobank killed himself. And I remember Wendy that came out, everybody was sitting there talking

about it. You know, people are like, oh, man. Croc did you hear Crocobank kill

himself? Like, oh, no. And, you know, people were really

sad. Yeah. It's terrible. You know, I think that when news came out, I was

like, in play practice or something. 1 of the girls started crying.

Aw. These little actress types are very dramatic.

Right. But this happened. And and

so, I mean, Nick Broomfield, made a movie called Kurt and Courtney.

There's a book movie that came out called Soaked in Bleach that is

also challenging the official story of the death of Kurt Cobain. Courtney loves

a father. She had her her estranged father says she

did it. Like Wow.

Yeah. He, like, goes I mean, he wrote a book and stuff like that, so

he claims that Courtney Love but the thing is

okay. Now let's say it's true that

Courtney Love did you know, she was gonna pay that Il Duce guy

$50,000 to go up from Los Angeles. Il Duce, he was a lead singer of

a band called The Mentors, and the the Mentors,

are horrible. Man, if you listen to their music,

their most popular song is called Donkey, d

I c anyway. And so it's just it's the usual irreverent,

supposed to be funny, but doesn't have the talent to back it up punk rock.

Okay. And but the thing is is that this El Duque guy

was just a famous crazy man as the lead singers of punk bands often are.

And, like, the rumor was he'd do anything for money. He just would do anything

for money. Okay. Yeah. I'll take like, if I make money, I'll do it. And

so that's why was the idea that Courtney Love offered him

$50,000 to off Kurt. Oh, man.

And, you know, like his lawyer said that he had called him,

or she had he had called her shortly before he died asking about

doing a will for the first time. That's

interesting. Right. Yeah. And Courtney said

that the first time he tried to kill himself, she had said to him that

she had considered cheating on him or something. Oh, boy. And she says she's Mike,

it made him so upset. That's why he took all those Rohypnol or whatever.

And then Nirvana was breaking up at the time too. Like, Dave Grohl talks about

it. And part of the reason Nirvana's breaking up is that

Courtney realizes that Kurt's only getting a third of the songwriting royalties. Oh,

wow. K. Okay. So Chris Novoselic, who plays maybe

6 notes in each Nirvana song, like, is

gonna make as much as her husband, Kurt Cobain,

who wrote all these songs. Yeah. You know? And then

Dave Grohl is not even an original member of the band. He didn't join till

never mind. And so that's the whole thing. Yeah. Is

that, you know, was she trying to get the royalties? Was she try you

know, what was she trying to do? But here's something I thought about

today. Because I was reading some background of Courtney Love,

and, you know, she had, like, a shrine

in her house, like, before they were married. And they get

married before he becomes, you know, hugely famous.

But she is, like, a shrine in her house to wanting

wanting her husband to be the most popular rock star in the world. Okay.

Like, she does like That's a supportive wife. Yeah. Like, you know,

when people do their not not intentions.

You say your intentions or you say Sorry. Setting your What's the Stewart's what's the

Stewart's Molly thing? The what? I'm good enough. I'm smart enough.

Oh, gosh. Darn it. People like me. Yeah. But what what what do they call

it? Affirmations. Affirmations. Be like, her affirmation was about

how can my husband become the biggest rock star in the world. And so

she's really centered on that, and and she's got her own career. Hole is signed,

and I think Hole is great. I've been going back and listen to some Korean

stuff, and I just forgot. I'm Mike, I always thought The Hole is a great

band. Yeah. And I was had a I was Mike Courtney Love too. I was

Mike, oh, she's crazy, and she's like, yeah. And I was like, I was actually

right. I yes. That that is the appeal. But she

I thought she's also extremely talented and ambitious and driven, and

there's something to that as well. Yeah. But the thing I was, you know, reading

this about her about her. She has this shrine, that she wants Kurt to

become incredibly famous. And she's already and she wants to be famous too. Like, she's

part of it. But, you know, she also, like, groomed him. Like,

she flew out to a concert. She got a guy to fly her out to

to a Nirvana concert so that she could try to seduce him or, Mike, she's

like, I'm gonna be your girlfriend or whatever. And then they just were very inseparable.

Couple of junkies sitting around doing heroin and talking about music

and but then

she also was known, because she played in bands before. She was a singer of

faith no more for a little while. What? Back in the

eighties. Yeah. Like, she the thing is she was a rich kid,

a trust fund kid. So she she she had a stipend, and she would

kinda ingratiate herself into the into the scene by,

like, she'd help people fund their albums, or she would show up to band practice,

and she'd bring the beer and the food and stuff like that. Like a patron.

Like a patron. Yeah. And that's kinda how she got to be into the music

scene. She ingratiated herself. But, also, she would

find out who the next big thing in the town was and, like, kinda glom

onto them or try to she she had a knack for picking who was gonna

be successful I see. And then kinda become and become part of their story.

And, I mean, from Billy Corgan to

I mean, like, she was in faith no more. Yeah. I thought that was interesting.

I was Mike, you know, there's that whole that that, like, a feud over who

wrote the Mike, the killer in me is the killer in you. Like, you you

know, Courtney is, like, I wrote that line for your bass hit, You know?

And it's it's funny. She finds her way into all these kind of

Mike all these other artists' lives and Kurt's life and ends there. So

what if she did have him Mike? Or something,

but not to hurt him, not to get,

maybe she saw that he was a junkie. $400 a day heroin habit. And I

guess it's saying a junkie is wrong, you know, is a is a main thing.

He was a heroin addict straight up. And she had a small

habit too, but she she said that she spent, like, $20 a day in heroin,

and he spent $400 a day. Oh my gosh. This is early 19 nineties. So

that is, I mean It's a lot of heroin. Money. It's a lot of heroin.

Right. And so what if she saw

Nirvana was falling apart? Kurt was basically killing himself,

and she knows that once you go,

you're no longer just a rock star. You become a legend.

She's certified, but what if his death and I'm not I'm not

implying her, I'm not implying

that she had anything to do with his death because I really don't know. And,

Of course not. But what if to me, like, I

just thought of, like, well, what if she didn't wanna hurt him? What if not

fighting him. She wanted to turn him into a you know, she wanted to

turn him into John Lennon. She wanted to turn her husband into

really the the last great rock star, and his

death solidified that. Oh, man. You

know? Because, I mean, you can't talk about Nirvana or Kurt Cobain without

including the fact that he shot himself now. It kinda it's kinda it's that's part

of the lore. You know? You know? You can talk about the Beatles songs. You

can talk about John Lennon's lost weekend when he was, you know, or

separated from Yoko, and it and it doesn't have to relate

to the fact that John Lennon was shot in 1981.

Yeah. But, like, Kurt Cobain, like, it comes to the territory

now. So I think about that with Foo Fighters. Their first

single was, well, This is a Call. But, like, their their

second single might have been Big Me, but the 3rd single I'm going off here

if I remember here. The 3rd single was like, I'll stick around.

You know, it's like, I'll stick around. I'll stick around the chorus. It's like, I

don't owe you anything. I don't owe you anything. When you're listening to it, all

you can think of is Dave Grohl's fronting a band, and he's telling that

is this a song for Kurt Cobain? I don't owe you anything.

You know, I'll stick around. I'm here. Yeah. Like, you did

this. And, I mean, they weren't getting along by the end of the like, by

Kurt's death anyway. So those kind of things like,

we even filter Dave Grohl's music through Kurt Cobain's suicide,

or at least we did up until, you know, Dave Dave Grohl became,

so huge and beloved. Right. And the drummer for Tenacious

d.

So those are the kind of the circumstances around his death, and that's just a

little bit on Nirvana for for the background. And I kinda wanted to get into

that because I wanted to explain what kind of effect he had on people so

that we understand why everybody's trying to talk to him

in the afterlife. Yeah. You know, that

may be a thing with celebrities, but I was just surprised

how many people said that they either saw the ghost of

Kurt Cobain or they tried to contact, Kurt

Cobain after he had like, I'm like, what? I just didn't

realize that. Okay. So this is just so somebody's putting

ghost stories up on, the, like, the Ghost Radar

website. K? Okay. Yeah. So they use the

the app Ghost Radar, and Ghost Radar was is an app that says, like, well,

you hit there's a ghost nearby. It'll say it, but it also has

right. Stupid. But it also has it also

has Mike an an EVP kind of thing in there. Okay. Right?

So he writes in this is 2013. He's like, I've

always been a huge fan of Nirvana, specifically of Kurt. So when I

download this app, I put it right next to in utero. And about 6

minutes later, I got the word shoot. Then 25 minutes

later, I got the name Don. Don was Kurt's middle name,

Kurt Donald Cobain. Oh. 8 minutes later, fan

came up, and, you know, I'm a fan of Nirvana. Then a few

seconds later, I got harmonic. Sorry.

Finally, I got shoot kinda, I got shoot about 15 minutes later. He's

Mike, could it have been Kurt Cobain trying to talk to me?

And, you know, obviously, the story he writes in, it's all, like, the

punctuation's off and the spelling's off and everything. So it's it's either

a little kid or a guy who's, you know Yeah. He needs to

go back to English class. But the thing is, this is obviously a young

guy. And Kurt Cobain's been dead for 19

years when he sends this in. And so that just he's

fascinated. He's like, okay. Did I talk to Kurt Cobain on an EVP session? Because

I put I put the thing right next to in utero.

Okay. And here's just a few, different Kurt

Cobain ghost stories we have.

The weirdest one is probably, well, this story.

And it it it ran in England, and it was just like a

it was just like a paragraph story. But it says, a 24 year old

bar manager from Essex, England has finally dealt with the Kurt Cobain ghost

that appeared in her compact laptop, The Register reports. Only

now it won't boot up. The trouble began when Kurt manifested

himself on her screen and demanded that she give us a

kiss, love. So the thing is, first of all, give us a kiss, love is

a very English thing to say. And so I doubt Kurt Cobain would,

like, show up. I mean, he was known to be, you know, a jokester

in a lot of Mike. And so him, like, showing up her computer and

saying give us a kiss, love. Like, I don't know about

that. The funny thing is the manifestation only occurred after turning

her laptop off. So that laptop was off and that's when

Kurt showed up. That's weird in and of itself. Yeah. Whether it's

Kurt or some whatever. The funny thing is the man

okay. So in any case, the sightings unnerve the owner who says I'm not a

spiritual person. I had to do something. So she said she had your

computer exercised. What? Kurt no longer

appears on the compact screen, and neither does anything else. The

register says that her machine has refused to run since the exorcism, and

she blamed excess holy water. Yeah.

Okay. So yeah.

That's for dicks right there.

Like Yep. Yeah. Like, what? I mean, that actually ran in the

newspaper, and it was just, like, one of those things, like, one of those side

stories. Like, you know how The Onion always has, like, their one paragraph story? This

is not an Onion. It was in a real newspaper. Bizarre. Okay. Okay.

So and here's people responding to this story, though.

Sick Angel, She's a blogger. I was

like, I'm not alone anymore. Chris apparition came to me October last year ever since

I borrowed the CD from my Wendy, and I soon fell in love with Nirvana.

Any of you knows what it's like to wake up shivering and then see his

transparent figure staring at me from the frame of my bedroom door. I've

been suicidal and depressed ever since, but I feel protected as well.

I know how he feels. I would give anything to go back in time to

save him and meet him personally. I wish he didn't kill himself the way he

did. We all miss him. And then she puts the, you know, you're

right, the lyrics from the so when Nirvana's Greatest

Hits came out, like, I don't know, like, 15 years ago, it was a while

ago, they had a song called, you know, you're right, completed in the

studio. Like, it was never released, and so they completed it.

Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a hey. Hey. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. But the but the lyric is pain. It's I

I thought it was hey. It's pain is what he says. Pain.

You know you're a wreck.

Anyway, I like that song. And other people are

writing in, like, my whole life I feel I have a sense to talk to

spirits. And I used an online Ouija board last night. It told me that Kurt

was in my closet and that I would be here at 2 AM. Oh. I

opened Mike closet as soon as I could when I got home that day, and

I said, hi. I got no response, but in my head, I felt a

sense he was there. Damn. I'd love to see Kurt. By the way, he

didn't kill himself. I love you forever, Kurt. I want justice for Kurt.

So right. People are really like, you don't think like, you just think, like,

you're in Nirvana. Pretty good band. And

then other people are like, I love you, Kurt. I want jazz is for

Kurt. Yeah. They really feel connected. Yeah. Something's up.

Okay. So then there's a guy on, so this comes out,

May March 3, 2015. K? So

somebody's having a conversation on Tinder. Uh-uh. And he's talking

right. Okay. And and so he's talking to somebody, and he keeps

referring to his mum. So they think he's in England. But this

person's having a a discussion with their this person

they, connected with on Wendy, and he's like, I love

Nirvana and the Rolling Stones. And she's like, oh, nice. And he goes, I miss

Kurt a lot. I once got to meet him. And she's like, what?

Seriously? How old are you? I was like, I'm I'm 16. How did

you meet him? My mom knew some people who knew him. So you actually met

him? Yes. I did. But he died in

1994. And he's like, you know those people who are

able to get out of their body, and then you're like nothing more than some

kind of ghost? I'm able to do that, and don't say I'm crazy.

Woah. And she's still playing along, though, at the time. She's like,

that's so cool. So you, like, got out of yourself and met him through time?

He's like, yeah. Something like that. He goes, it sounds

really stupid, but he spends he says he spells really r l l

y. So I'm like, no. Actually, that's what sounds stupid.

Right. And she's like, that doesn't sound stupid at all. He's like, I swear I'm

not lying. She goes, I wish I had that power. He goes, it's not really

a power. It's more like a curse. Oh. She's Mike,

but you managed to leave your body and go back in time and have your

mom's friends organized for you to meet Cor Gauvain. That does not sound like a

curse to me. And he goes, when I sleep, I'm able to stand next

to Mike, and then my mom comes in and tries to wake me up, but

it won't work. But when someone touches my body, I'm not able to get back,

and it's really scary.

Wow. It's, that voice makes it extra convincing.

Thank you. Oh, I should've done it in English accent. When I sleep, I'm always

stay next to myself, and then my mom comes in and try to wake me

up. There it is. Thank you. That's that's

Blimey. Blimey. I met Kakabay through

astral Mike travel.

Whenever I do an English accent, I just sound like Dick Van Dyke. So

but, you know, that's it really is a thing where all

these people are, saying the same. So you can just go on YouTube,

and people try to contact Kurt Cobain to the spirit box. Oh,

there's so many of those. Yeah. Like,

this contacting dead scenario. Dial up Kurt Cobain? Yeah.

Like, why would he wanna talk to you? Number 1.

Like, why would he just, like he he sees you're listening in euro.

And he's like, you know what? I'm gonna say this guy shoot

Shoot. Through his spirit box. Like, get Right. Get out of

town. Kurt Cobain does not care that you're listening to In utero.

But people are trying to contact them. Here's one woman. She writes

this on the Cafe Mom blog, which I read often.

Great paranormal stories on Cafe Mom. Oh. No.

I I don't read it often. But well, hey. You know, I'm not gonna judge.

Google search. But you no. You do

I mean, you have to keep your mind open. Right. But okay.

So this is this is from Halloween 2011. And so this

woman writes in, and she goes to the psychic.

And a psychic Mike, Karen Hollis, in readings

readings by karen.com. That's a that's your free plug, Karen Hollis, because you gave us

some, some Kurt Cobain stories. But

okay. She chooses Kurt Cobain, and she says she's been haunted by his

1994 suicide for years. And she wants to talk to him, and

she's Mike and she says that Karen is the real deal. You know?

So she goes in, and Kurt Cobain seems

to show up right away. Like maybe he's standing maybe he's

standing next to Jackpot? Maybe he's standing next to her Mike

Patrick Swayze stands next to Whoopi Goldberg and goes. So

that's I'm picturing Kurt Cobain standing next to Karen.

And if I go to Karen's website let's see if I can see her picture.

Yep. Okay. So I see Karen. She's just a normal looking, like, soccer

mom kind of lady. Okay. So picture Mike a dark room, maybe

with a little candles or whatever. Picture a soccer mom

sitting there and Kurt Cobain standing next to her and then talking to this woman,

and then they and then they start having a conversation. Okay. And

Karen says that he regrets that Francis never got a chance to know him for

who he was. Francis Bean is his and Courtney Love's daughter.

Uh-huh. There were two sides to him. She never got to know the softer side.

She's constructed a story in her mind about her father that's not accurate. She's felt

limited knowing who she is because of not knowing who he was. He feels badly

that she has to live with his legacy, the heaviness of what he did to

himself. He felt in life that love was too much

hard work. He felt things too deeply. He ran away from Frances emotionally.

She's part of his soul. He loves her, and he's with her. He's trying to

keep her away from trouble. And we'll get to some more of my Frances Bean

getting in trouble. And so is Frances getting married? Karen

asked me. And prior to our session, Karen didn't even know that Kurt had a

daughter. And then the the lady who went to the psychic is Mike, yeah. Frances

Bean just got engaged. And Karen says he really doesn't

want her to get married. He doesn't think it's right for her. He doesn't think

she's ready. But he says everybody's gotta do their own thing. Now I

think it's I mean, this is coming from the man who wrote the rhyme

married, buried, and then sang it 6 times in a row.

Yeah. Right? Or, you know, in in

Heart Shaped Box, he's like, why don't you throw down your umbilical noose so I

can climb right back? So, obviously, I mean, he's probably just

joking around, but, obviously, he's got some issues that he's expressing

in his lyrics. But she says the session was so

intense, and had a couple more things he had to say is that

he doesn't want Francis to go through depression. His issues with Courtney

Love are not yet resolved and won't be until she too passes over. Oh,

wow. And they're able to have a conversation. They're gonna have

a a posthumous, domestic? Yeah.

Totally. That's the He's he says that the idea that Courtney could have been in

another relationship was unbearable and that she was involved with a friend of his shortly

before he died. He's still angry about people in the music business who

stole money from him and later his estate.

Francis is not his only child. He also fathered a

son, possibly with a woman named Tiffany, but nobody knows

about him. So Kurt Cobain's secret child.

Now we're talking. Woah. Okay. Here we go. Juicy. Now we're now we're

cooking with gayas. Gayas. Besides looking after

Francis, Kurt spends his time now helping obscure musicians, at least one of

whom is poised to make it big with a song Kurt helped him write.

So, Kurt, if you're helping out obscure musicians Yeah. Maybe you can

help us. We have open minds. We're open. We we know a couple.

He says he doesn't wanna be incarnate anytime soon. It's too harsh here.

Anyway, so this woman says that she talked to Kurt

Cobain through a psychic. And, also,

there was a psychic named doctor Rob Sisna, and he spoke on a

radio show in into which he claimed to be speaking to the ghost Kurt Cobain.

This is in 2011 as well. Okay. And he does the same kind of

thing where he talks about he regrets leaving his daughter,

Frances Bean. Aw. So that seems to be a big thing.

That's sad. But you and I'm not saying that these guys aren't real

psychics or that Karen's not not the not the real deal

or or doctor Rob Sysna. But, I mean, that seems like an easy thing

to Pretty obvious thing. Yeah. Like, what what what is he upset

about? Well, he's upset that, he left his

baby daughter and you know? Right. Not that he was a I

mean, I I guess he was a very loving father, but I don't know how

much attention he could give her when he was strung out in heroin. Yeah.

Right? Also, their nanny was a guy named Cali, was

one of, Courtney's old boyfriends.

So that'd be kinda weird to have her on the house. Yeah.

I'd say. You know? But the thing is is that, like, like, that

just seems like an obvious thing that a psychic can say. Like, okay. Well, we

can say it like this. You know, I'd be interested if,

like, he he can tell some kind of story that only the guy from the

Melvins will know it's true or something like that, you know. Like, that's Yeah. And

the Melvins will be in Madison, so we should we should try to have a

spirit box session with buzz from the Melvins maybe and That'd be

cool. And Kirk O'Bam, he he might think that's funny because they are they're

all very irreverent. You know what I mean? Like, they're not gonna be Mike, oh,

man. You're making it for my Wendy. He'll be like, no, man. He'd love this

joke. Okay. And then Courtney

Love herself was quoted as saying, I'm not Curt, and I have to live with

his expletive and his ghost and

his kid every day. And then the person is Mike, was she speaking philosophically

or she felt his presence as well? It's like, no. Maybe she probably

well and and here's the thing too. Like, hundreds

of eyewitnesses have seen they spotted Kurt Cobain all over the world

that he wanted to leave the famous Mike, and he

didn't wanna, you know, he didn't wanna be a rock star anymore. So the idea

is is that he faked his own death. And that is a way to escape

it. Yeah. He fakes his own death, becomes a

legend. But then the thing is, like, you think he wanna leave his daughter behind,

Mike, so much so that he wouldn't get to have a relationship with his child,

and I I don't buy it. Of course, I don't buy it. That's a pretty

huge sacrifice. Yeah. Anyway, so

so that's what some of the psychics have said. Now, also, there's

a bench in Veretta Park near Seattle,

And on April 8, 1994, since Kirkland took his own life, an employee discovered

his body in the spare room above the garage. But in the time before his

death, Kurt spent most of his days sitting on a bench just outside his

house, and people said that they can feel his presence near the

bench. That's so cool. Yeah. And others

said that they've seen him sitting there or they sit on the bench and they

feel like somebody's breathing on them Wow. Or touching them. So I think that

Kurt's Mike, you know, I don't know if he's paranormally breathing on them.

I got some of that Kurt Cobain I got some of that Kurt Cobain breath

all over me. Like,

oh, thanks, Kurt. There have

been reports of his face appearing in the window of his former home, And

the new owner said that during thunderstorms, they can hear whispers from Kurt

himself. Now if you go to the site of the

bench in Viretta Park, v I r e t t a, just in

case you're heading to the Washington area soon, you should probably

enjoy enjoy some recreational marijuana and sit on the bench or whatever. It's all

legal. If you visit the bench,

you'll find a bench full of flowers and cards and running from fans who misses

inspirational talents. The city parks department must

replace the boards on the bench every so often due to the graffiti left by

fans. One guy says he has the original boards that

Kurt himself sat on before his suicide.

And he says that, after collecting these boards and placing them in his

property, he began encountering strange things. He felt a chilling

breeze shoot right past him as if someone had run by him. He's heard odd

noises and felt a presence, and he believes that Kurt's spirit might be so attached

to the boards. Okay. So,

that's another, you know, Kurt Cobain ghost story. And, really, Kurt Cobain does

have that kind of first of all, he died young. He died in a suicide,

and suicides always spawn ghost stories. True.

And something else I thought was interesting was that I was looking for, you know,

Kurt Cobain stuff, doing research for this article. Lauren

Coleman wrote a book called The Copycat Effect. Lauren

Coleman is the guy that came up, like, with the word suicide cluster, I think.

With the idea that one person kills himself and then other people start. Like, it

gives them the idea that suicide's a good idea. And so that's what they always

worry when somebody famous kills themselves that other people will do it. I mean, the

character arse face from Preacher. And

he's not in in the TV show, because it's not set in the 19 nineties.

In the TV show, that character shoots himself in the

face for a different reason. But in the comic, it's because him and his friend

worshiped Kurt Cobain and they were so upset by his death that they thought that

shooting themselves is the only way out. Awful. And then he it doesn't work for

him. And then he's got a big hole in his face, which is why the

name, Arce Face. I mean, it's all very nineties edgy

comic kinda thing. And now they're making a they make a TV show of it.

But TV show's pretty good. Oh, that's cool. The Preacher. I recommend Preacher. It's

fun. Dark. So you gotta be in the mood for dark and dark humor.

But, if you listen to this podcast, I have a feeling you might be. Oh,

no. So but he said that in Australia, Canada,

and France, suicides related to Cobain's death went up.

So that the there's he's Mike, there are perhaps 70 copycat suicides

directly linked to Cobain, but not in the United States.

Because some people say that they handled it really well, like, with all the

suicide prevention hotline stuff and everything that came out, after Kurt

Cobain was announced that he he killed himself. And,

it was not so in other countries. And, you

know and the thing is, like, there was just a a story that came out

less than 2 weeks ago, maybe just last week, that suicides

rose 12% in the period following Robin Williams' death. Wow. That's

a lie. So that is Mike a dangerous idea virus. You know,

that's the thing. When I worked at the TV station, we would not

report, a suicide. Oh. So

in, like, the town of Tomah, Wisconsin so Tomah is a small community. There were,

like, 3 within a month or 6 weeks or something like that, there

were 3, like, middle school suicides. 3 in, like, a town of,

like, 20,000 people. Sad. And, you know, and that

you you just don't report on the news even though I would be Mike, that's

big news because that's something there's something going on. Like, like,

send in, like, a team of psychiatrists in there immediately. Yeah.

Or, you know, take away the people's forks or whatever you gotta

do. But people are killing themselves. I just like, kind of a sad, you

know, a sad thing. And I was just surprised that, you know,

the the one that Rob Williams thing came out. Anyway, I just wanna mention

Lauren Coleman because we also found something on our former a guest of ours

on the show. Yeah. We're doing some research about Kurt Cobain. Know? Look at

that. You know, people have written, like, fan

fiction about the ghost Kurt Cobain. Oh, yeah. Suicide. There is a play

called Nevermind, a fictional comedy about a manic

depressive NME journalist. NME is an English music magazine who is

visited by the ghost of Kurt Cobain when his life reaches a series of new

lows. And so Kurt has a discussion with him about killing himself,

and that's in the that's in the play. It premiered in London,

in 2,009. Then

2016, Toronto author, Lynn

Crosby, writes, Where Did You Sleep Last Night, which was

one of the covers that they performed on, Nirvana Unplugged live

in New York is is the name of that. And so that's the name of

her book, Where'd You Sleep Last Night. And so what happens is let me read

you the the the back cover. Okay. Does true does true love have

supernatural power? Where Did You Sleep Last Night is a love story about a

teenage girl who embarks on a relationship with Kurt Cobain. Evelyn

Gray is a sad and lonely 16 year old from Carnation, Washington who is terrorized

by her classmates at school. She spends most of her time in her room reading,

writing letters to dead people, listening to old records, and talking to the poster of

Kurt Cobain above her bed. Her mother is an alcoholic

grunge relic from Seattle whose recollections, books, and music help ignite Evelyn's love

for Cobain, a love so painfully strong that it summons a deceased

singer to her side. When Evelyn is taken to the hospital after an overdose,

she awakens to find Cobain, who has little or no memory of his former life,

convalescing in the bed beside. Oh, wow.

Okay. Would you go to see that? Yeah. Sounds pretty

interesting, I gotta say. Yeah. Yeah. So that's,

Where Did You Sleep Last Night, and it looks interesting. And let's see.

So it's got a bunch of 5 star reviews and a couple 1 star

reviews on Amazon. But, I mean, people is I mean, they're just fascinated with him.

You know? Yeah. Even Infowars. Even Alex Jones is fascinated with

him. Because they have this whole thing. I mean, first of all,

the idea is Kurt Kurt Cobain had been murdered by the

CIA because he was a Bill Clinton support.

And George Bush was George h w Bush, his job before being vice

president was the head of the CIA. So that's that's that's one of the

silly That's one of the silly conspiracies because, also, it'd be 2 years after the

election. Like, what's Kurt gonna do? Right. Like, they're gonna make Kurt Cobain,

like, stump for Bob Dole. Oh. Yeah. Bob Dole is not

he's not gonna be, like, a Bob Dole fan. No. But there's also the idea

that Kurt was into occult stuff because he was really into this beat

writer named William s Burrows. Now William s

Burrows wrote Naked Lunch. He just wrote

a lot he's really into weird stuff, really into cult stuff. Like, one of those

guys who hung out like, the beat poets, Jack Kerouac, all those guys had

you know, there's a little bit of occultism in there. Yeah. And so Kurt

Cobain's really into to William s Burroughs, and there's

this whole thing on prisonplanet.com, which is another one of Alex Jones'

Infowars sites. And there's this whole story about how this

guy is trying to connect Kurt Cobain to

William s Burroughs and, like, strange they, like,

they performed a strange sex magic occult.

Yeah. Like, ritual. You know, Burroughs is

famous for accidentally shooting his wife at a party in Mike

in 1951. Courtney Love plays that wife in a

movie with Kiefer Sutherland

Oh. As, William s Burrows. And it's and Ron

Livingston, speaking of the Hey. Alright. We love Ron

Livingston from Office Space and Norman Reedus, who's Daryl

on The Walking Dead. So I'm gonna have to see that Beat movie because

it's it sounds like it'd be really interesting. But the idea is that that he

was into what he wanted to be part of 1 you know, Burroughs, like, secret

satanic occult society, and so he met him 6 months

before his death. They performed some kind of sex ritual and then,

you know, he he he died because he was experimenting with too much occult

stuff, basically, is is what this guy says. And

I still I I still prefer the idea that Courtney Love did it to make

Kurt a living legend. I mean, not a nonliving

legend, I should say. Okay. And then

speaking of satanism, Francis Bean has been hanging

around with, like Anton LaVey's Oh, boy.

Daughter. So and talk

talking about her marriage, there's something weird going

on where her estranged husband so they're

already estranged. You know, Mike, Francis Bean's, like, you know, 25 or 26 years

old. Uh-huh. And he's she's already estranged from her husband, and

he was recently kidnapped. What? Yeah.

By yeah. By a guy named Sam Lufti. Oh. And,

like, Sam Lufti was, like, one of his former like,

a former manager. And he was once

accused of drugging and emotionally abusing Britney Spears during her public

meltdown. Wow. Remember when she took remember when she took the golf club,

like, to the paparazzi car and shaved her head and stuff like that? Sad.

So it sounds like he's a really nice guy.

Yeah. So this is Sam. Look at you guys. But the thing is Oh, it's

Tom Grant. Tom Grant is, the private investigator

who worked for Courtney Love. When when Kurt Cobain ran away from rehab,

Courtney Love hired a private investigator to find him. Oh, okay. She didn't realize it

was just at home. Like, she didn't have, like, find my friends in her

iPhone, and she could see Kurt's iPhone at the at the ranch. She,

you know, it's like, oh, no. And so she hires him. And then Tom Grant,

since then, since his death, has said that it's it was a murder. Like, he's

a conspiracy theorist totally about Kurt Cobain's death. Oh, wow. And,

you know, he's interviewed saying that, you know, something's up

that they, they kidnapped Frances

Bean's soon to be ex husband. But she's

also, saying that she finds Satanist fascinating.

So who knows if Frances beat she's a model now, so she's doing alright. Even

with Courtney Love as a mom who accidentally admitted to

doing heroin, like, in the beginning of her pregnancy. Oh, dear. And the thing with

the Courtney Love though, you never know how many of those things are, For attention

or Yeah. To to to shock people. Right.

You know, to get a to get a rise because but Frances is fine.

There was even, there was a movie that came out recently speaking of Courtney

Love that she had asked a director to take a whole bunch of home you

know, take some of their old home movies, do some new interviews,

take Kurt's, like, journals and and and put stuff

together, and a movie's called Montage of Heck.

And in October of 2015, they made a haunted house

with, like, Kurt's nightmares as the

haunt house. Wow. Like, that was the instead of, like, having, like, a

monster or a ghost That sounds very sad. They had they had,

like That does not sound fun. Like, some of his nightmares were, like,

you enter a room and someone playing Courtney Love is in a closet

and she's yelling at Kurt, like a guy playing Kurt who's on a toilet,

like, you're a junkie. You're just a junkie. You're no good.

There's a there's a guy dressed like El Duce, that guy

from The Mentors, who's, you know, he

I mean, he says, like, leering things to the girls who walk by. Mike, I

wanna get you, girl. That is, Mike, I mean, it's

really sad. But think about the creativity for somebody to come up with something like

that And to sit there and try to imagine of all the worst things

that he went through. I mean, yeah. That's dark. The thing is in

the movie and they talk they talk about this. So one thing Kurt did was,

like, he tries to have sex with, like, a special needs girl or

something. And he ends up being, like, super ashamed about it and stuff. It doesn't

work. But they have, like, her in the she's,

and that was, like, his most like, he said, like, it was his worst moment

where he did something he didn't want to or he was ashamed of it

because he was gonna be, like, just using this girl. And then

but the one of the guys from the Melvins said that the story is crap.

And he's like, it's not even a real story. He's like, I would've heard about

that story if it was real. Because they went to high school together. So he's

like, I would've known about that story. He's like, it's not a real thing.

But, you know, they have, like, that scene play out where he's, like, putting the

moose on her on the bed and stuff like that in the room. And so,

like, they put this whole thing together, to make a Kurt Cobain themed

haunted house. And the the final nightmare is

that, it's supposed to be Francis Bean, as a

rapper. Okay. I like her little sense of

humor. Not not all of her. And her DJ,

has Mike ICP makeup. Oh my god.

So that she turns into Mike a Mike a white trash,

like his nightmare from Aberdeen, Washington.

So, yeah. So people are just fascinated. Mike, Kurt Cobain

had as much of his music as possible to people. He he

seems to just as much effect on them in death as he had in life.

Wow. Definitely very Panama.

Anyway, love his music and what part of the reason,

that it was so popular is that, it was fun to

play, and you could, you know, and you could just pick up guitar and play

it. So we're gonna do that right now,

with one of my absolute favorite Nirvana songs. And the story behind this song is

that he was playing it for Butch Vague on this old guitar. He wanted the

full band to do it, like a big rock song, and Butch is like, no.

You should do it like this. Just have it be a stripped

down acoustic song with some strings and stuff,

and it turns into something that sounds like nothing else on the album and I

love it. And so here's Sunspot doing Nirvana's

Something in the Way.

Any feelings.

The ceiling. It's okay

to fish because they don't have

any feelings.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

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They named a a song after the deodorant.