It’s been one year since Tali and Scott formally finished homeschooling their kids and left the corporate world. They focus on giving back to homeschoolers, women Bitcoiners, and veterans. Tali and Scott use the week between Christmas and New Years to reflect on the prior year and goals for 2024.
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it was Such a critical component in myself believing that Bitcoin is a
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thing that I should pay attention to
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Scott: it started out with the
game, but throughout the course of
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the year, it became more and more
clear that this was really something
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that was much, much bigger than us.
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And we want to really give that next
generation the tools that they need, and
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multiple generations, like long after
we're We're here and this is how we
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can help contribute to that and that's
the reason for this podcast This is
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just another step in that evolution.
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Tali: as Bitcoiners, we can't
ever take those glasses off again.
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We're now just seeing the
world completely differently.
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Scott: It's another thing when
you actually put yourself in a
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parachute and go up and jump out.
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Right.
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And so when you take a leap,
whether it's to homeschool.
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It's to leave your job and do something
different to start a new adventure
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There's a moment there.
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You have to make a decision I'm gonna
go I'm gonna go forward with this and
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that was our moment back in December
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Tali: Welcome
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everybody to Bitcoin homeschoolers.
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Today is the last episode
we will do in the year 2023.
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And Scott and I thought it would be
fitting for us to do a year end recap,
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just to share with you our journey.
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The reason for The idea came from an
unexpected surprise in our mailbox
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today, I received a handwritten
card from myself that I wrote in
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December 2022 as an exercise that I
did with ,a group of people, and I
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had completely forgotten about it.
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It came in the mail and, I read it and
it's just, it's such a wonderful reminder
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to look back over the last 12 months
and just appreciate all that we have
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gone through all the, all the different,
milestones that we have accomplished.
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I'd like to share with you
something I wrote in my card.
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Uh, I wrote to myself a year ago.
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it says to myself in December 2023,
I hope your year has been filled with
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accomplishments and breakthroughs.
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I hope the other year you have
celebrated your wins more than
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you have pointed out the misses.
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So Scott and I are going to take our own
advice and just look back and share with
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you are some of our wins and losses.
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Scott: Where do you want to start?
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Tali: Well, we can do it chronologically.
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So
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I'll just start with
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the last December.
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That was really when
everything started for us.
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So up until then I have been a full
time homeschooling mom with four
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kids that recently graduated high
school, and I was suddenly done and
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Completely free with my schedule and
Scott has stepped away from corporate
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, It was the first time that I
visited Bitcoin Park, because Scott
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and I had talked about Bitcoin.
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Those of you have heard our story.
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I was orange pill by his
board game huddle up.
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And the problem that we faced was
where we are in Kentucky, we just were
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not able to find other Bitcoiners.
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And even though we were fully convinced
that Bitcoin was something we wanted
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to pursue and invest ourselves
into, we didn't know how to start.
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We were watching YouTube videos, we were
reading books and checking out articles,
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but it was just not the same as having
somebody sitting down next to us and
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telling us face to face how to like step
by step how to, you know, um, buy Bitcoin,
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move things from wallet to wallet, and
just being truly a part of the ecosystem.
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So we visited some local Bitcoin meetups
here, which all unfortunately turned
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out to be crypto investment clubs.
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So we decided to make the
three hour trek to Nashville.
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Scott went there in November and
then brought me there in December.
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And it was the first time that, at
least for me, I Came in to a space
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with just everyday people who are all
interested in the same thing that we were.
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We wanted a better alternative to
what's happening in our fia system.
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And it was the place where we first
met Matt Odell, where we first play
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a game of hollow up with people
who were strangers, not friends and
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families who are doing us a favor.
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And it was the first time We realized
that this was a space that we wanted
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to develop ourselves full time
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Scott: So what comes to mind as you
recall that is I don't think our
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confidence was where it is today.
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If you look at where we are
today, we're just, we're in
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a completely different spot.
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Back then we, we made a decision that
we were going to make a change and that,
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that experience you just described was.
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Like that's stepping off moment for
us stepping out of for you is all the
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homeschooling years because you were done
with all the formal schooling and for
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me it was leaving corporate and to me I
Looked back in that and was a scary time.
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It was like, what are we doing?
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We don't know what we're doing.
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We think this is right
We're gonna go for it.
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And I'm very glad we did but at the
time if you if I would have Answer
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the same question back then I would
have been I would have had a lot of
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fear Fear about what we're doing.
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How are we gonna take care of the family?
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How are we gonna make this work?
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So There's a big moment.
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That was a big moment.
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So
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Tali: I remember having a discussion
with you in the kitchen about whether
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or not We should play it safe and
go back into the corporate world.
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But we chose not to.
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And it was, like you
said, a very scary moment.
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It's actually still scary for me today.
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Because
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Scott: It's a lot more fulfilling though.
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And, and now that another thing that's
happened over the course of years,
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things make more sense than they did.
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So when I hear Jeff Booth say, if
you continue to work at wherever
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you're, you're working, you're just,
but you're, you're helping feed
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the system that you don't like.
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You have to get outside the system.
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Well, that, that makes a lot more
sense to me now because we are doing
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our own thing, but most people.
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It's not easy to say, Oh, okay,
well that makes a lot of sense.
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And then this suddenly change your life.
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This it's, it's one thing
to understand those words.
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It's another thing to try to apply them.
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So it's one thing to say, Oh, I can see
how you skydive and you watch somebody
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on a, on a TV show or whatever it is.
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And then it's another thing when
you actually put yourself in a
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parachute and go up and jump out.
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Right.
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And so when you take a leap,
whether it's to homeschool.
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It's to leave your job and do something
different to start a new adventure Like
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it there's a there's a moment there.
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You have to make a decision I'm gonna
go I'm gonna go forward with this and
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that was our moment back in December
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Tali: that was our
moment back in December.
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Yeah.
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unknown.
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Okay.
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So we'll, we'll cover our year.
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Kind of chronologically so that it would
make sense when we first started our only
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Goal
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was to expose was to introduce HODL up
to as many people as possible because
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it was Such a critical component in
myself believing that Bitcoin is a
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thing that I should pay attention to
and we just felt that if everybody
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Had reluctant family and friends that
they were having trouble reaching.
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Huddle Up could be a really
wonderful tool in their hands
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that they can share Bitcoin with.
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So we've, we basically reached out
to as many Bitcoin meetups as we
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could possibly drive to and just
offer to host Huddle Up game night.
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And we just got in the car and just drove.
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Scott: Right.
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But a year later, or nearly a year
later, what I learned from that is
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throughout the course of the year,
it became more and more clear.
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The game helped open up opportunities
for us to meet people, right?
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That was the, we went out and we talked
to people and we showed them and we
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answer questions or we ask questions.
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This is where I realized somewhere on
that, that journey that what we're doing
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is actually much bigger than ourselves.
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And we now use that expression.
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Frequently.
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I know it comes up, you listen to like
Bitcoin veterans, they'll talk about it.
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We talk about it in the context of
schooling, self custody of education.
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The game is just one piece of that bigger
picture about teaching kids about money,
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teaching even adults about what money is.
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I guess what I'm saying is it
started out with the game, but by,
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if I look throughout the course of
the year, it became more and more
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clear that this was really something
that was much, much bigger than us.
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And we want to really give that next
generation the tools that they need, and
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multiple generations, like long after
we're We're here and this is how we
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can help contribute to that and that's
the reason for this podcast This is
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just another step in that evolution.
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I never ever ever thought I would be
Doing a podcast But you go back and
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it's it started with the game Then it
was the in person events and being in
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person is so so so so critical you got
to get out and and try to find people
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who Who think like you, where it can
help you with that next, the next step.
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And then if you have something,
then to give it back.
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So if we have, we have a lot of
experience with homeschooling and maybe
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games are one piece of that education.
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Great.
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That's our piece.
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Let's go, let's contribute
with, you know, with that.
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So that as a, I know it gets a little
philosophical, maybe I shouldn't go
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that deep on it, but it started as a
game and it's so, so much more now.
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Um, and now look where, I mean,
it's expanded for you for women
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and it's expanding for things
with bringing the kids in.
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It's just, it's getting, it's getting
to be much more than just this,
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this game that people can play.
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Tali: getting, to be much more than
just this game that people can Sort
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of forced me to pay attention to
this whole concept of Bitcoin, which
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is the point of all of this anyway.
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And once you go down that Bitcoin rabbit
hole, and you start to see the world
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completely differently, completely
through a different pair of lens, right?
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So, for example, like, you know
that, that movie with, Ryan
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Reynolds, what's, what's it called?
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Anyway that movie where you know, he put
he put on a pair of glasses and suddenly
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He was seeing signs on buildings and
floating in the air and you take off
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the glasses and, you know, everything
is just the way there was, which is
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the way the rest of the people see it.
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And then he puts it back on again.
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And it's all these words, except
that as Bitcoiners, we can't ever
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take those glasses off again.
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We're now just seeing the
world completely differently.
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And the game.
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The reason, at least for me, when
we started traveling was because I
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really wanted everybody to have the
opportunity to put on those glasses.
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They may choose to look away,
but they're never going to look
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at the world the same again.
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And then at least they have the full
information to make their own decisions.
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Everybody has the right to
make their own decisions.
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They don't all have to be Bitcoiners,
but at least we can show them
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that there's a thing there.
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So, When we started traveling and
sharing HODL up and with people with
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Bitcoiners, what we realized was that
almost every Bitcoiner has family slash
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friends slash people they really care
about who just don't understand Bitcoin
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to the point where they're in the
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They show animosity toward the whole
concept So we see the game as a bridge
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builder between the Bitcoiner and their
family and friends That they can have
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fun and in the fun just pique their
curiosity a little bit because The truth
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is nobody will come to bitcoin unless
they have a real need for it But at least
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like plan to see so this is a bridge
builder This is a c planner and that's
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the way I saw it as we were traveling
and everything else is Brought it from
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our experience from our encounters
with people and even more needs that we
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identified in the industry Which brought
us to create this podcast which brought
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me to create orange hatter, etc They all
stem from this understanding that we're
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just trying to bring awareness to people
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Scott: That's a good segue.
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And if you just look at the year
again, this can be a year in review.
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So December we finally reach out we meet
some other people who are Bitcoiners,
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we get to meet them in person.
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That's the big deal.
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We play our game.
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We start to travel.
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The, the other place besides
Bitcoin park was trying to go to
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the homeschooling conferences and
that message that you're talking
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about trying to reach other people.
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And that's, and that's what inspired me
to write that article that homeschoolers
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are Bitcoiners that don't know it yet.
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There are a lot of people that.
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That are going to benefit from this this
message, but it's not something that you
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just say one time and people understand
and That it was one of the things that
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I look back on last year where Don't
I don't know what the right word is.
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I guess I wasn't I don't know if
it's humility Like I just thought
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hey, look, this is so obvious.
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Look at this this message This is gonna
be awesome these people really really
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are gonna benefit from this and their
kids are gonna benefit from it and And we
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drive and we set up a booth and we have
this, and then we have the, the strange
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looks like we're like aliens, right?
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Like what the hell is this Bitcoin
thing that you guys are talking about?
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And people are steering clear of us.
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that was kind of an eyeopening moment for
me to, to realize just because we see it,
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we need to put ourselves in the shoes of
others on how they're seeing it, if we're
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going to reach them with that message.
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It, it, they're not going to probably get,
get it the same way I came to it one way.
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Like you said, you came
to it a different way.
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Everybody has their own way.
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this, it's just something
that we have to keep in mind.
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All of us, all Bitcoiners
and all parents have to think
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about this with their kids too.
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You have to think about how
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how you're going to reach them.
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And just, you cannot assume that
if you say the words that other
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people are going to understand.
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What you're saying.
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So there was a big lesson there
for me in terms of trying to see
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things from another point of view.
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, Tali: I echo that because even with our
own kids, because we were so mindful
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about teaching them about money when
they were growing up and we homeschooled.
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It's not like we school them and
they never heard about money.
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Like we emphasized money education with
the knowledge that we had pre Bitcoin.
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So our kids grew up with certain
understanding about money, which we
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now know is pretty much all untrue.
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And then suddenly Scott and
I changed our perception.
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And now we're trying to get
our kids to also pivot with us.
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What we realized was that they, even
though they have the money education,
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from homeschooling until they personally
have a need or they see the personal
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effect from the current fiat system.
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Even they don't pivot with us
being our kids being, we're
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a very close knit family.
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Clearly we were their,
their primary teachers.
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And still it was hard for
us to Help them pivot their
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perception with us when we did.
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Scott: and think, it's
extended family too.
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It's parents, it's siblings,
and then it's friends.
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You, and I, I had my reunion this year,
and it's not, the we take for we talk
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to other people in the space frequently
or we listen to the same resources.
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it doesn't mean that this is like
the, the view that everybody has.
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It's not, it's not that obvious.
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There's a lot of noise out there,
lot of noise with social media,
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a lot of noise with the news.
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it's a very contentious time.
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We don't, I don't have
to explain all that.
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People can go with it as they will
with the politics, but we're very
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divided and people get their, their
information from one place or another.
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For me, it was, it was classmates too.
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So it was, it was family.
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It was friends.
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It was colleagues.
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Not everybody sees and understands the
same things that we just take for granted,
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uh, when you're in this space for a while.
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Tali: And so that's why we, Scott and
I, not only have been telling people
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about the board game, which worked for
me, but now we're also trying to create
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other touch points for Bitcoiners to
be able to reach their family members.
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So for example, I started a podcast called
Orange Hatter and it was because I saw a
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gap in the industry where women were not.
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Necessarily being spoken to in a
feminine way, because women talking
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to women, they have very different
conversations than a woman talking to
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a man, and neither is better or worse.
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It's just different.
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And so if we're just if our goal is
to rare to raise awareness, then we
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have to meet people where they are.
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And some people are
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So we can try to reach
them through how to hop.
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Some people are conversationalists.
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Maybe we can reach them through
a woman to woman conversation.
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And then of course we created this
podcast, Bitcoin homeschooler to
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try to simultaneously, um, help the
Bitcoiners with our experience in
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homeschooling our kids over the last
20 years, but hopefully also reach
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the homeschoolers that we haven't been
able to reach with just little tidbits
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that they can pick up along the way.
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And maybe eventually they'll get
to the point where they're ready
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to hop into the rabbit hole.
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So we're just creating different touch
points for people to be able to bring
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their loved ones toward the rabbit hole.
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Scott: Right.
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And even though we're, we're
stumbling trying to figure out how
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to do that, this has been the most.
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fulfilling things.
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So there's the frustration of going,
for example, going to a homeschooling
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conference and being like, how
come these people don't get it?
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Talking to your own kids and saying,
mom and dad, , we have this insight.
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We want to share it with you.
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It's gonna make a big difference.
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And then we struggle with
just reaching our own.
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Our own family.
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On the other hand, when you look at the
game and you look at the in person events
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and you have a conversation with someone
who, for example, they're thinking about
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starting a family or maybe they have
young kids and you can make an impact on
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somebody or someone plays a game and they,
they start to open up to Bitcoin is about,
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or you reach some women that can join
you on whichever ways you guys connect.
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There is something so fulfilling
and again, I'll keep slipping
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back to the philosophical this
is something bigger than us when
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so when I talk with Gabe about
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Operation Bitcoin and what he's doing
with with veterans Same type of thing
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like there's something when you When
you realize the thing that you're
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working on is connected to something
that you are passionate about It is you
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you have purpose And there is, it is
so much more fulfilling than anything
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else that I have ever worked on.
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Yes, we don't know exactly
how to do e commerce.
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We're learning.
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Yes, we don't know how to do podcasting.
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We're learning.
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Technical aspects of Nostra,
Bitcoin, Lightning, etc.
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Get it.
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We're learning.
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But this is so fulfilling knowing
that this is part of a bigger purpose.
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And every time you reach someone
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it
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doesn't have to be that you, you orange
pilled 10, 000 people or a million people.
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If you make a connection with
your family, that's awesome.
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You make a connection with your
spouse, that, that is invaluable.
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Like the priceless, the, the
little priceless video that
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you did for the conference.
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Right?
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I mean, it was like, cost of a
movie or something is, what was it?
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Tali: dinner 000 families
united in Bitcoin
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Scott: priceless
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That captures it.
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And that, that to me is so motivating.
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I'm frustrated that we
made mistakes in the past.
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I'm frustrated we didn't see the
light to get in on Bitcoin earlier.
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I am so grateful though that we're
in the spot where we're in now.
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Where we are part of something bigger.
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And, and we are figuring this thing out.
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Whatever it is.
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With money, with Bitcoin, with
Entrepreneurship, but it's so fulfilling
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and then I I think that shows in
your energy when you talk to people.
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And I also think that shows to your
kids when you're working on something
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you believe in as opposed to going
to a job that you hate, right?
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There's there's so many other
ways that this can, that it's
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more than just the money.
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It's more than just the
technology that it impacts.
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Really how you look at life
and, and how you do things.
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And then, the kids are
looking at us, right?
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So we're setting a personal
example to, by doing this.
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So, anyway, again, I go down
the philosophical stuff.
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This is, um, this is, this
is gonna be a lot of fun.
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Maybe we should, uh, think about how
we wrap up the 2023 and transition
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to what we want to get done in 24.
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What do you think?
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Tali: Yeah, let's talk about 2024.
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Scott: All right.
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So one of the things that I'm thinking
of is we're going to continue to go
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to the homeschooling conferences.
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We're going to do one this year and
each time we're just going to keep
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taking a slightly different tact
on how we, we approach that market.
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I still believe that they're
all, they all have Bitcoin.
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Principles that they have.
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They just haven't, we haven't
been able to, to reach them yet.
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I think we need to continue
to do the orange hatter, reach
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out to women and the Bitcoin
homeschool or reach out to parents.
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I think that's critical.
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And then we absolutely have
to continue in person events.
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That's where, I mean, I get it.
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Audiobooks and podcasts
are great for learning.
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Nothing replaces going to
a conference, like I would
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Tali: not even a meetup where you,
you're in a room with 10, 15 people.
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I love those interactions the most because
you're really getting to know each other.
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And and what we stand for and it's
it's not like you have to interact
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with 100 people at the same time So,
you know an evening of a game night.
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I just I love that I I think I
would like to do more of that.
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The other thing is
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Scott: Now you're recorded on saying that.
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I know how much you love games, so
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Tali: Okay, just so everybody
knows I am NOT a board gamer Scott
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can tell you that he and our son
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they're the
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board gamers, but it is what
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Scott: Orange
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Tali: built me.
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So here I am.
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But anyway, I think from the point
of view of reaching more women,
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which I think is really critical.
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I am in the process of, um, Creating
more touch points for women.
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So one of the things I want to do.
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One of the things that I am doing is
hosting a woman's retreat in Yucatan,
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Mexico in March, March 16th to the 20th.
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And I like to address the need that
women have to remember to recharge
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themselves because we're such we're,
we have a lot of windows open up.
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any one time, you know, as women trying
to take care of ourselves, our career,
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our families, our children, everything
that we sometimes forget that until we
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fill up our own battery, we can't really
be as effective as we would like to be.
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So the woman's retreat is one touch point.
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Other things that are in the
works, which I will announce later.
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Um, just I, my focus for me is to
create more touch points to reach women.
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And, uh, especially moms, because if
you reach one mom, you reach her kids.
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If our kids are
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Scott: young enough.
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Yeah, that's where, I
almost interrupted you.
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That's where I wanted you to get
to is that these are connected.
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You, you've made a comment in the
past, this is what I was going to
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hope you'd expand on and, and that is.
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If we want Bitcoin adoption
to increase, you have to have
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women, you have to have moms.
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Otherwise, you're, you're going to,
you're going to leave out half the
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population there and all their kids.
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Right.
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To me, they're very connected.
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And yeah, if you can, I know
you can expand on it from
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a woman's standpoint, but
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Tali: The majority of the Bitcoin
meetups take place at either a
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restaurant or a bar, mostly pubs.
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For a woman, and some women are okay
with that, but a lot of women would
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prefer more of the homey feeling.
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So like the home parties, like the
Tupperware parties or the, uh, what's
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another party like makeup party,
like Mary Kay parties, you know,
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just,
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Scott: or actually like a play
date kind of let's all meet
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in the park kind of thing.
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You know, you can, well,
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Tali: talking about more like a
home, like almost like a home Bible
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study thing where people, Just kind
of gathering intimate settings.
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You're sitting on a sofa, everybody's
got a cup of coffee or a cup of tea.
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And then they're chatting in
an intimate, casual setting.
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And that's when you really
make that connection.
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Whereas if you're sitting in the pub
and the music is loud, then you're
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having to, you know, order food.
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And you're talking only across
the table to the person who's.
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Close to you, you know,
sitting close to you.
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It's just it's a completely
different environment.
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And so my focus this year is to try
to reach women through the living room
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Scott: Right.
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So I guess 2024.
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For
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2024.
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So to me
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the we, we need to continue the
momentum we've built with, with free
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market kids, reaching out with games,
with lessons, with, and now we've
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expanded it to these, these podcasts
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really
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don't see any other way than to continue
the in person type events, uh, the, the
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experiences we had, for example, at the
UN conference before, what do you call it?
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Adopting Bitcoin in El
Salvador was fantastic.
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I have a personal goal.
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Personal desire to help
with the veteran side.
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So I'm going to be working with
Gabe to try to support everything I
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can for operation Bitcoin as well.
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and then we'll, we'll keep building games.
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We'll keep building content.
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We'd like to, I think we should start
getting, I know we talked about how
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would we do this, but what would be
the right type of lessons that would,
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we could formalize to go with the
games or other things that we've done.
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Especially for the homeschooling audience.
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It's a different audience than
the people that you'll meet at
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a Bitcoin conference or meetup.
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So that's something that
we need to explore as well.
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And the digital huddle up.
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I do think we, we have an opportunity
here to, to break through all
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the friction of supply chains.
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Board games are great, but
they're expensive to ship.
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Not everybody can afford them.
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If you pay two or three times the
value of the game just to pay for
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your import duties and shipping,
people are just not going to buy it.
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And Bitcoin is a global type thing.
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So I'm looking, I'm also looking
for ways to break down those
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barriers and a digital version of
our material is one way to do that
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Tali: covers it.
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That's, that's 2024.
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Scott: Great, let's just
wrap it up there then.
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Say Happy New Year, we're looking
if anybody has specific topics that
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they would like to cover on this.
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We are learning as we go and we're
excited to meet as many people as we can.
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So I hope to meet many of you in
person somewhere along the way in 2024.
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, Tali: if there's any interest in having
a live Q and a session, , for those
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of you who are new to homeschooling or
encountering some specific challenges,
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homeschooling your kids, and you'd
like to pick our brain, let us know.
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And if there's enough interest,
we'll set up a regular time.
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Scott: Why don't you make it
a, we could think about it as a
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panel almost, like the, at TabConf
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Tali: we can, but that's
not what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about Just people having
access to us to ask questions because
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they listen to our podcast and they would
like our opinion, not a topic specific
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panel thing because if they have an issue
and they just have a question, we can
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either invite them to, to send us a, um,
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Scott: We can do a live
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Tali: us a, yeah, exactly.
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If we did a live stream on YouTube,
like YouTube live, we can record it
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Scott: well, I mean, look at
what, look at what, What Matt and
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Marty do with Rabbit Hole Recap.
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, You can record that and listen
to it later, like I usually will
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just because of the schedule.
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There are many people though,
who log in live and if they
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have questions, they just ask..
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the pre
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Tali: they do, um, YouTube live.
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Scott: Yeah, but they also are doing, it's
Nostra, I forget the name of it now, but
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they're, they're doing, there's a, there's
a Nostra nest and you could do both.
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So if, if you, if there's a pre coiner who
hears about us, they're interested in it,
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but they don't have the same background.
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They're not going to know what
a Nostra nest is, but it's a
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Bitcoiner who hears about us.
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Great.
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So you set up both and, and just.
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You make it available, this, this goes
exactly back to our point earlier is,
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we have to put ourselves in the shoes
of those who we're trying to reach and
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what are the ways that they would be
able to, to access and then we, we make
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ourselves available through those means.
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Tali: Yeah, so if there's any
interest in that send us an email
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Scott: Is there any, anybody out
there, anybody who's technically
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competent enough to help us set some
of that stuff up that we need to, you
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Tali: YouTube live I already
know how to set it up
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00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:34,622
Scott: do you, you
know, I do a Nos or Nest
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00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:36,222
Tali: that I don't know.
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And I don't know if he can
record it and host it anywhere.
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Scott: Well, you,
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00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:45,012
Tali: If there's any interest, if you have
any interest in regular office hour or
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00:31:45,052 --> 00:31:51,872
just regular Q and a session, DMS ads,
free market kids on Twitter, or what are
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00:31:51,872 --> 00:31:53,142
other handles that you want to share?
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00:31:53,644 --> 00:31:58,931
Scott: other people
seeing on social media?
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00:31:58,931 --> 00:32:07,743
Yeah, if you're a woman
listening to this, and you
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specifically
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00:32:08,687 --> 00:32:11,817
Tali: if you're, if you're a
woman listening to this and you
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specifically want to talk to me
about Orange Hatter, you can check
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00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:17,547
out the website, orangehatter.
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00:32:17,547 --> 00:32:22,087
com or you can email me
directly, tolly at orangehatter.
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00:32:22,097 --> 00:32:25,117
com or you can reach me at
tolly at freemarketkids.
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00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:25,987
com as well.
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00:32:26,702 --> 00:32:27,132
Scott: Yeah.
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It's gonna be great.
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24 is gonna be, you have the
halving, the ETFs, the election.
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It's gonna be crazy.
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Crazy year.
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It's gonna be a very exciting time.
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So, Happy New Year everybody.
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Can't wait to see you in person.
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Take care.
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Tali: See you next year.
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Bye.