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₿HS015: From Fear to Confidence – Lessons from 2023
Episode 15 • Bonus Episode • 31st December 2023 • Bitcoin Homeschoolers • Scott and Tali Lindberg
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It’s been one year since Tali and Scott formally finished homeschooling their kids and left the corporate world.  They focus on giving back to homeschoolers, women Bitcoiners, and veterans. Tali and Scott use the week between Christmas and New Years to reflect on the prior year and goals for 2024. 

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

  • Tali’s surprise note to herself
  • Last December is when everything really started with this journey.  They finished formal homeschooling and a corporate at the same time.
  • Until visiting Bitcoin Park, they had felt like they were on an island in terms of meeting and talking with Bitcoiners.
  • That is where they first played Hodl Up with Bitcoiners and not just their family and friends.
  • One aspect that changed is going from the stepping-off moment when they committed and today, when they have more confidence.
  • It’s one thing to understand what Jeff Booth has articulated about not working in the system you’re fighting.  It’s another to apply that understanding and take action.  It can be a scary prospect. 
  • The game Hodl Up helped open opportunities to meet people but Tali and Scott learned throughout the year that this is actually part of something that was much bigger than themselves.
  • It is so important to get out and meet people in person.
  • If you have something to give, then give back.  For Tali and Scott, this is with homeschoolers, women Bitcoiners and veterans.
  • Hodl Up has proven to be an effective bridge builder with pre-coiners.
  • The whole journey of 2023 stemmed from an understanding that Tali and Scott are trying to bring awareness of Bitcoin to new people.
  • We need to put ourselves in the shoes of others to understand how they perceive the world in order to reach them with messages about Bitcoin, sound money, etc.
  • People won’t pivot until they personally have a need or they personally  see the impacts of the fiat system.
  • Tali started OrangeHatter podcast because she saw a gap where women were not necessarily being spoken to in a feminine way.
  • Create touch points.  Meet people where they are.
  • With purpose comes fulfillment.  Working on something bigger than themselves has made the past year so rewarding for Tali and Scott.
  • For Bitcoin adoption to continue, we have to reach women and specifically moms.  
  • Brainstorming ways to connect in 2024

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  • Orange Pill App @FreeMarketKids
  • Free Market Kids' games including HODL UP https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/games

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Tali:

it was Such a critical component in myself believing that Bitcoin is a

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thing that I should pay attention to

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Scott: it started out with the

game, but throughout the course of

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the year, it became more and more

clear that this was really something

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that was much, much bigger than us.

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And we want to really give that next

generation the tools that they need, and

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multiple generations, like long after

we're We're here and this is how we

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can help contribute to that and that's

the reason for this podcast This is

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just another step in that evolution.

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Tali: as Bitcoiners, we can't

ever take those glasses off again.

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We're now just seeing the

world completely differently.

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Scott: It's another thing when

you actually put yourself in a

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parachute and go up and jump out.

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Right.

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And so when you take a leap,

whether it's to homeschool.

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It's to leave your job and do something

different to start a new adventure

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There's a moment there.

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You have to make a decision I'm gonna

go I'm gonna go forward with this and

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that was our moment back in December

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Tali: Welcome

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everybody to Bitcoin homeschoolers.

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Today is the last episode

we will do in the year 2023.

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And Scott and I thought it would be

fitting for us to do a year end recap,

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just to share with you our journey.

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The reason for The idea came from an

unexpected surprise in our mailbox

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today, I received a handwritten

card from myself that I wrote in

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December 2022 as an exercise that I

did with ,a group of people, and I

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had completely forgotten about it.

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It came in the mail and, I read it and

it's just, it's such a wonderful reminder

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to look back over the last 12 months

and just appreciate all that we have

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gone through all the, all the different,

milestones that we have accomplished.

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I'd like to share with you

something I wrote in my card.

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Uh, I wrote to myself a year ago.

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it says to myself in December 2023,

I hope your year has been filled with

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accomplishments and breakthroughs.

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I hope the other year you have

celebrated your wins more than

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you have pointed out the misses.

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So Scott and I are going to take our own

advice and just look back and share with

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you are some of our wins and losses.

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Scott: Where do you want to start?

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Tali: Well, we can do it chronologically.

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So

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I'll just start with

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the last December.

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That was really when

everything started for us.

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So up until then I have been a full

time homeschooling mom with four

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kids that recently graduated high

school, and I was suddenly done and

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Completely free with my schedule and

Scott has stepped away from corporate

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, It was the first time that I

visited Bitcoin Park, because Scott

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and I had talked about Bitcoin.

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Those of you have heard our story.

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I was orange pill by his

board game huddle up.

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And the problem that we faced was

where we are in Kentucky, we just were

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not able to find other Bitcoiners.

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And even though we were fully convinced

that Bitcoin was something we wanted

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to pursue and invest ourselves

into, we didn't know how to start.

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We were watching YouTube videos, we were

reading books and checking out articles,

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but it was just not the same as having

somebody sitting down next to us and

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telling us face to face how to like step

by step how to, you know, um, buy Bitcoin,

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move things from wallet to wallet, and

just being truly a part of the ecosystem.

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So we visited some local Bitcoin meetups

here, which all unfortunately turned

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out to be crypto investment clubs.

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So we decided to make the

three hour trek to Nashville.

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Scott went there in November and

then brought me there in December.

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And it was the first time that, at

least for me, I Came in to a space

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with just everyday people who are all

interested in the same thing that we were.

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We wanted a better alternative to

what's happening in our fia system.

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And it was the place where we first

met Matt Odell, where we first play

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a game of hollow up with people

who were strangers, not friends and

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families who are doing us a favor.

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And it was the first time We realized

that this was a space that we wanted

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to develop ourselves full time

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Scott: So what comes to mind as you

recall that is I don't think our

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confidence was where it is today.

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If you look at where we are

today, we're just, we're in

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a completely different spot.

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Back then we, we made a decision that

we were going to make a change and that,

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that experience you just described was.

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Like that's stepping off moment for

us stepping out of for you is all the

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homeschooling years because you were done

with all the formal schooling and for

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me it was leaving corporate and to me I

Looked back in that and was a scary time.

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It was like, what are we doing?

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We don't know what we're doing.

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We think this is right

We're gonna go for it.

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And I'm very glad we did but at the

time if you if I would have Answer

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the same question back then I would

have been I would have had a lot of

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fear Fear about what we're doing.

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How are we gonna take care of the family?

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How are we gonna make this work?

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So There's a big moment.

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That was a big moment.

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So

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Tali: I remember having a discussion

with you in the kitchen about whether

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or not We should play it safe and

go back into the corporate world.

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But we chose not to.

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And it was, like you

said, a very scary moment.

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It's actually still scary for me today.

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Because

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Scott: It's a lot more fulfilling though.

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And, and now that another thing that's

happened over the course of years,

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things make more sense than they did.

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So when I hear Jeff Booth say, if

you continue to work at wherever

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you're, you're working, you're just,

but you're, you're helping feed

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the system that you don't like.

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You have to get outside the system.

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Well, that, that makes a lot more

sense to me now because we are doing

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our own thing, but most people.

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It's not easy to say, Oh, okay,

well that makes a lot of sense.

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And then this suddenly change your life.

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This it's, it's one thing

to understand those words.

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It's another thing to try to apply them.

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So it's one thing to say, Oh, I can see

how you skydive and you watch somebody

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on a, on a TV show or whatever it is.

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And then it's another thing when

you actually put yourself in a

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parachute and go up and jump out.

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Right.

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And so when you take a leap,

whether it's to homeschool.

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It's to leave your job and do something

different to start a new adventure Like

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it there's a there's a moment there.

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You have to make a decision I'm gonna

go I'm gonna go forward with this and

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that was our moment back in December

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Tali: that was our

moment back in December.

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Yeah.

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unknown.

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Okay.

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So we'll, we'll cover our year.

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Kind of chronologically so that it would

make sense when we first started our only

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Goal

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was to expose was to introduce HODL up

to as many people as possible because

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it was Such a critical component in

myself believing that Bitcoin is a

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thing that I should pay attention to

and we just felt that if everybody

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Had reluctant family and friends that

they were having trouble reaching.

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Huddle Up could be a really

wonderful tool in their hands

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that they can share Bitcoin with.

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So we've, we basically reached out

to as many Bitcoin meetups as we

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could possibly drive to and just

offer to host Huddle Up game night.

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And we just got in the car and just drove.

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Scott: Right.

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But a year later, or nearly a year

later, what I learned from that is

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throughout the course of the year,

it became more and more clear.

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The game helped open up opportunities

for us to meet people, right?

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That was the, we went out and we talked

to people and we showed them and we

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answer questions or we ask questions.

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This is where I realized somewhere on

that, that journey that what we're doing

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is actually much bigger than ourselves.

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And we now use that expression.

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Frequently.

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I know it comes up, you listen to like

Bitcoin veterans, they'll talk about it.

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We talk about it in the context of

schooling, self custody of education.

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The game is just one piece of that bigger

picture about teaching kids about money,

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teaching even adults about what money is.

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I guess what I'm saying is it

started out with the game, but by,

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if I look throughout the course of

the year, it became more and more

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clear that this was really something

that was much, much bigger than us.

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And we want to really give that next

generation the tools that they need, and

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multiple generations, like long after

we're We're here and this is how we

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can help contribute to that and that's

the reason for this podcast This is

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just another step in that evolution.

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I never ever ever thought I would be

Doing a podcast But you go back and

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it's it started with the game Then it

was the in person events and being in

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person is so so so so critical you got

to get out and and try to find people

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who Who think like you, where it can

help you with that next, the next step.

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And then if you have something,

then to give it back.

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So if we have, we have a lot of

experience with homeschooling and maybe

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games are one piece of that education.

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Great.

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That's our piece.

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Let's go, let's contribute

with, you know, with that.

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So that as a, I know it gets a little

philosophical, maybe I shouldn't go

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that deep on it, but it started as a

game and it's so, so much more now.

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Um, and now look where, I mean,

it's expanded for you for women

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and it's expanding for things

with bringing the kids in.

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It's just, it's getting, it's getting

to be much more than just this,

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this game that people can play.

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Tali: getting, to be much more than

just this game that people can Sort

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of forced me to pay attention to

this whole concept of Bitcoin, which

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is the point of all of this anyway.

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And once you go down that Bitcoin rabbit

hole, and you start to see the world

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completely differently, completely

through a different pair of lens, right?

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So, for example, like, you know

that, that movie with, Ryan

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Reynolds, what's, what's it called?

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Anyway that movie where you know, he put

he put on a pair of glasses and suddenly

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He was seeing signs on buildings and

floating in the air and you take off

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the glasses and, you know, everything

is just the way there was, which is

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the way the rest of the people see it.

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And then he puts it back on again.

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And it's all these words, except

that as Bitcoiners, we can't ever

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take those glasses off again.

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We're now just seeing the

world completely differently.

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And the game.

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The reason, at least for me, when

we started traveling was because I

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really wanted everybody to have the

opportunity to put on those glasses.

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They may choose to look away,

but they're never going to look

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at the world the same again.

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And then at least they have the full

information to make their own decisions.

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Everybody has the right to

make their own decisions.

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They don't all have to be Bitcoiners,

but at least we can show them

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that there's a thing there.

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So, When we started traveling and

sharing HODL up and with people with

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Bitcoiners, what we realized was that

almost every Bitcoiner has family slash

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friends slash people they really care

about who just don't understand Bitcoin

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to the point where they're in the

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They show animosity toward the whole

concept So we see the game as a bridge

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builder between the Bitcoiner and their

family and friends That they can have

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fun and in the fun just pique their

curiosity a little bit because The truth

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is nobody will come to bitcoin unless

they have a real need for it But at least

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like plan to see so this is a bridge

builder This is a c planner and that's

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the way I saw it as we were traveling

and everything else is Brought it from

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our experience from our encounters

with people and even more needs that we

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identified in the industry Which brought

us to create this podcast which brought

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me to create orange hatter, etc They all

stem from this understanding that we're

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just trying to bring awareness to people

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Scott: That's a good segue.

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And if you just look at the year

again, this can be a year in review.

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So December we finally reach out we meet

some other people who are Bitcoiners,

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we get to meet them in person.

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That's the big deal.

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We play our game.

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We start to travel.

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The, the other place besides

Bitcoin park was trying to go to

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the homeschooling conferences and

that message that you're talking

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about trying to reach other people.

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And that's, and that's what inspired me

to write that article that homeschoolers

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are Bitcoiners that don't know it yet.

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There are a lot of people that.

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That are going to benefit from this this

message, but it's not something that you

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just say one time and people understand

and That it was one of the things that

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I look back on last year where Don't

I don't know what the right word is.

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I guess I wasn't I don't know if

it's humility Like I just thought

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hey, look, this is so obvious.

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Look at this this message This is gonna

be awesome these people really really

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are gonna benefit from this and their

kids are gonna benefit from it and And we

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drive and we set up a booth and we have

this, and then we have the, the strange

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looks like we're like aliens, right?

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Like what the hell is this Bitcoin

thing that you guys are talking about?

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And people are steering clear of us.

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that was kind of an eyeopening moment for

me to, to realize just because we see it,

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we need to put ourselves in the shoes of

others on how they're seeing it, if we're

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going to reach them with that message.

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It, it, they're not going to probably get,

get it the same way I came to it one way.

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Like you said, you came

to it a different way.

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Everybody has their own way.

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this, it's just something

that we have to keep in mind.

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All of us, all Bitcoiners

and all parents have to think

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about this with their kids too.

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You have to think about how

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how you're going to reach them.

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And just, you cannot assume that

if you say the words that other

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people are going to understand.

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What you're saying.

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So there was a big lesson there

for me in terms of trying to see

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things from another point of view.

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, Tali: I echo that because even with our

own kids, because we were so mindful

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about teaching them about money when

they were growing up and we homeschooled.

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It's not like we school them and

they never heard about money.

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Like we emphasized money education with

the knowledge that we had pre Bitcoin.

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So our kids grew up with certain

understanding about money, which we

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now know is pretty much all untrue.

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And then suddenly Scott and

I changed our perception.

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And now we're trying to get

our kids to also pivot with us.

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What we realized was that they, even

though they have the money education,

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from homeschooling until they personally

have a need or they see the personal

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effect from the current fiat system.

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Even they don't pivot with us

being our kids being, we're

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a very close knit family.

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Clearly we were their,

their primary teachers.

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And still it was hard for

us to Help them pivot their

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perception with us when we did.

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Scott: and think, it's

extended family too.

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It's parents, it's siblings,

and then it's friends.

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You, and I, I had my reunion this year,

and it's not, the we take for we talk

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to other people in the space frequently

or we listen to the same resources.

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it doesn't mean that this is like

the, the view that everybody has.

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It's not, it's not that obvious.

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There's a lot of noise out there,

lot of noise with social media,

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a lot of noise with the news.

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it's a very contentious time.

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We don't, I don't have

to explain all that.

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People can go with it as they will

with the politics, but we're very

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divided and people get their, their

information from one place or another.

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For me, it was, it was classmates too.

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So it was, it was family.

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It was friends.

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It was colleagues.

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Not everybody sees and understands the

same things that we just take for granted,

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uh, when you're in this space for a while.

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Tali: And so that's why we, Scott and

I, not only have been telling people

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about the board game, which worked for

me, but now we're also trying to create

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other touch points for Bitcoiners to

be able to reach their family members.

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So for example, I started a podcast called

Orange Hatter and it was because I saw a

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gap in the industry where women were not.

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Necessarily being spoken to in a

feminine way, because women talking

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to women, they have very different

conversations than a woman talking to

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a man, and neither is better or worse.

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It's just different.

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And so if we're just if our goal is

to rare to raise awareness, then we

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have to meet people where they are.

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And some people are

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So we can try to reach

them through how to hop.

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Some people are conversationalists.

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Maybe we can reach them through

a woman to woman conversation.

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And then of course we created this

podcast, Bitcoin homeschooler to

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try to simultaneously, um, help the

Bitcoiners with our experience in

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homeschooling our kids over the last

20 years, but hopefully also reach

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the homeschoolers that we haven't been

able to reach with just little tidbits

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that they can pick up along the way.

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And maybe eventually they'll get

to the point where they're ready

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to hop into the rabbit hole.

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So we're just creating different touch

points for people to be able to bring

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their loved ones toward the rabbit hole.

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Scott: Right.

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And even though we're, we're

stumbling trying to figure out how

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to do that, this has been the most.

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fulfilling things.

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So there's the frustration of going,

for example, going to a homeschooling

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conference and being like, how

come these people don't get it?

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Talking to your own kids and saying,

mom and dad, , we have this insight.

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We want to share it with you.

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It's gonna make a big difference.

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And then we struggle with

just reaching our own.

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Our own family.

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On the other hand, when you look at the

game and you look at the in person events

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and you have a conversation with someone

who, for example, they're thinking about

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starting a family or maybe they have

young kids and you can make an impact on

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somebody or someone plays a game and they,

they start to open up to Bitcoin is about,

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or you reach some women that can join

you on whichever ways you guys connect.

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There is something so fulfilling

and again, I'll keep slipping

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back to the philosophical this

is something bigger than us when

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so when I talk with Gabe about

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Operation Bitcoin and what he's doing

with with veterans Same type of thing

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like there's something when you When

you realize the thing that you're

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working on is connected to something

that you are passionate about It is you

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you have purpose And there is, it is

so much more fulfilling than anything

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else that I have ever worked on.

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Yes, we don't know exactly

how to do e commerce.

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We're learning.

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Yes, we don't know how to do podcasting.

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We're learning.

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Technical aspects of Nostra,

Bitcoin, Lightning, etc.

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Get it.

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We're learning.

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But this is so fulfilling knowing

that this is part of a bigger purpose.

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And every time you reach someone

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it

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doesn't have to be that you, you orange

pilled 10, 000 people or a million people.

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If you make a connection with

your family, that's awesome.

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You make a connection with your

spouse, that, that is invaluable.

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Like the priceless, the, the

little priceless video that

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you did for the conference.

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Right?

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I mean, it was like, cost of a

movie or something is, what was it?

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Tali: dinner 000 families

united in Bitcoin

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Scott: priceless

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That captures it.

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And that, that to me is so motivating.

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I'm frustrated that we

made mistakes in the past.

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I'm frustrated we didn't see the

light to get in on Bitcoin earlier.

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I am so grateful though that we're

in the spot where we're in now.

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Where we are part of something bigger.

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And, and we are figuring this thing out.

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Whatever it is.

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With money, with Bitcoin, with

Entrepreneurship, but it's so fulfilling

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and then I I think that shows in

your energy when you talk to people.

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And I also think that shows to your

kids when you're working on something

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you believe in as opposed to going

to a job that you hate, right?

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There's there's so many other

ways that this can, that it's

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more than just the money.

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It's more than just the

technology that it impacts.

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Really how you look at life

and, and how you do things.

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And then, the kids are

looking at us, right?

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So we're setting a personal

example to, by doing this.

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So, anyway, again, I go down

the philosophical stuff.

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This is, um, this is, this

is gonna be a lot of fun.

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Maybe we should, uh, think about how

we wrap up the 2023 and transition

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to what we want to get done in 24.

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What do you think?

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Tali: Yeah, let's talk about 2024.

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Scott: All right.

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So one of the things that I'm thinking

of is we're going to continue to go

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to the homeschooling conferences.

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We're going to do one this year and

each time we're just going to keep

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taking a slightly different tact

on how we, we approach that market.

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I still believe that they're

all, they all have Bitcoin.

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Principles that they have.

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They just haven't, we haven't

been able to, to reach them yet.

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I think we need to continue

to do the orange hatter, reach

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out to women and the Bitcoin

homeschool or reach out to parents.

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I think that's critical.

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And then we absolutely have

to continue in person events.

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That's where, I mean, I get it.

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Audiobooks and podcasts

are great for learning.

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Nothing replaces going to

a conference, like I would

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Tali: not even a meetup where you,

you're in a room with 10, 15 people.

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I love those interactions the most because

you're really getting to know each other.

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And and what we stand for and it's

it's not like you have to interact

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with 100 people at the same time So,

you know an evening of a game night.

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I just I love that I I think I

would like to do more of that.

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The other thing is

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Scott: Now you're recorded on saying that.

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I know how much you love games, so

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Tali: Okay, just so everybody

knows I am NOT a board gamer Scott

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can tell you that he and our son

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they're the

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board gamers, but it is what

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Scott: Orange

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Tali: built me.

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So here I am.

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But anyway, I think from the point

of view of reaching more women,

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which I think is really critical.

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I am in the process of, um, Creating

more touch points for women.

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So one of the things I want to do.

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One of the things that I am doing is

hosting a woman's retreat in Yucatan,

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Mexico in March, March 16th to the 20th.

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And I like to address the need that

women have to remember to recharge

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themselves because we're such we're,

we have a lot of windows open up.

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any one time, you know, as women trying

to take care of ourselves, our career,

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our families, our children, everything

that we sometimes forget that until we

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fill up our own battery, we can't really

be as effective as we would like to be.

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So the woman's retreat is one touch point.

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Other things that are in the

works, which I will announce later.

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Um, just I, my focus for me is to

create more touch points to reach women.

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And, uh, especially moms, because if

you reach one mom, you reach her kids.

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If our kids are

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Scott: young enough.

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Yeah, that's where, I

almost interrupted you.

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That's where I wanted you to get

to is that these are connected.

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You, you've made a comment in the

past, this is what I was going to

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hope you'd expand on and, and that is.

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If we want Bitcoin adoption

to increase, you have to have

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women, you have to have moms.

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Otherwise, you're, you're going to,

you're going to leave out half the

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population there and all their kids.

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Right.

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To me, they're very connected.

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00:25:57,968 --> 00:26:01,458

And yeah, if you can, I know

you can expand on it from

436

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a woman's standpoint, but

437

00:26:02,758 --> 00:26:06,848

Tali: The majority of the Bitcoin

meetups take place at either a

438

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restaurant or a bar, mostly pubs.

439

00:26:10,088 --> 00:26:13,183

For a woman, and some women are okay

with that, but a lot of women would

440

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prefer more of the homey feeling.

441

00:26:15,353 --> 00:26:20,173

So like the home parties, like the

Tupperware parties or the, uh, what's

442

00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:23,523

another party like makeup party,

like Mary Kay parties, you know,

443

00:26:23,793 --> 00:26:24,173

just,

444

00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,278

Scott: or actually like a play

date kind of let's all meet

445

00:26:26,278 --> 00:26:27,478

in the park kind of thing.

446

00:26:27,863 --> 00:26:28,468

You know, you can, well,

447

00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:31,503

Tali: talking about more like a

home, like almost like a home Bible

448

00:26:31,503 --> 00:26:34,793

study thing where people, Just kind

of gathering intimate settings.

449

00:26:34,793 --> 00:26:37,923

You're sitting on a sofa, everybody's

got a cup of coffee or a cup of tea.

450

00:26:37,923 --> 00:26:42,003

And then they're chatting in

an intimate, casual setting.

451

00:26:42,263 --> 00:26:44,073

And that's when you really

make that connection.

452

00:26:44,303 --> 00:26:47,673

Whereas if you're sitting in the pub

and the music is loud, then you're

453

00:26:47,673 --> 00:26:49,893

having to, you know, order food.

454

00:26:49,893 --> 00:26:54,173

And you're talking only across

the table to the person who's.

455

00:26:54,718 --> 00:26:56,878

Close to you, you know,

sitting close to you.

456

00:26:56,888 --> 00:26:59,028

It's just it's a completely

different environment.

457

00:26:59,028 --> 00:27:02,828

And so my focus this year is to try

to reach women through the living room

458

00:27:04,098 --> 00:27:04,378

Scott: Right.

459

00:27:04,378 --> 00:27:06,608

So I guess 2024.

460

00:27:06,608 --> 00:27:07,278

For

461

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2024.

462

00:27:07,948 --> 00:27:08,468

So to me

463

00:27:10,058 --> 00:27:12,988

the we, we need to continue the

momentum we've built with, with free

464

00:27:12,988 --> 00:27:17,918

market kids, reaching out with games,

with lessons, with, and now we've

465

00:27:17,918 --> 00:27:19,758

expanded it to these, these podcasts

466

00:27:20,868 --> 00:27:21,468

really

467

00:27:21,948 --> 00:27:26,538

don't see any other way than to continue

the in person type events, uh, the, the

468

00:27:26,538 --> 00:27:31,538

experiences we had, for example, at the

UN conference before, what do you call it?

469

00:27:31,638 --> 00:27:35,418

Adopting Bitcoin in El

Salvador was fantastic.

470

00:27:35,418 --> 00:27:36,768

I have a personal goal.

471

00:27:38,193 --> 00:27:40,823

Personal desire to help

with the veteran side.

472

00:27:41,313 --> 00:27:44,633

So I'm going to be working with

Gabe to try to support everything I

473

00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:47,283

can for operation Bitcoin as well.

474

00:27:48,853 --> 00:27:53,033

and then we'll, we'll keep building games.

475

00:27:53,423 --> 00:27:54,543

We'll keep building content.

476

00:27:54,553 --> 00:27:58,173

We'd like to, I think we should start

getting, I know we talked about how

477

00:27:58,173 --> 00:28:01,753

would we do this, but what would be

the right type of lessons that would,

478

00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:06,403

we could formalize to go with the

games or other things that we've done.

479

00:28:07,408 --> 00:28:09,568

Especially for the homeschooling audience.

480

00:28:09,998 --> 00:28:13,468

It's a different audience than

the people that you'll meet at

481

00:28:13,468 --> 00:28:14,898

a Bitcoin conference or meetup.

482

00:28:15,778 --> 00:28:17,768

So that's something that

we need to explore as well.

483

00:28:18,698 --> 00:28:19,848

And the digital huddle up.

484

00:28:20,918 --> 00:28:27,198

I do think we, we have an opportunity

here to, to break through all

485

00:28:27,198 --> 00:28:28,658

the friction of supply chains.

486

00:28:29,018 --> 00:28:31,758

Board games are great, but

they're expensive to ship.

487

00:28:32,258 --> 00:28:33,688

Not everybody can afford them.

488

00:28:34,448 --> 00:28:38,118

If you pay two or three times the

value of the game just to pay for

489

00:28:38,118 --> 00:28:41,758

your import duties and shipping,

people are just not going to buy it.

490

00:28:42,058 --> 00:28:43,728

And Bitcoin is a global type thing.

491

00:28:43,728 --> 00:28:48,238

So I'm looking, I'm also looking

for ways to break down those

492

00:28:48,248 --> 00:28:53,028

barriers and a digital version of

our material is one way to do that

493

00:28:55,142 --> 00:28:56,458

Tali: covers it.

494

00:28:56,488 --> 00:28:57,878

That's, that's 2024.

495

00:29:01,648 --> 00:29:03,218

Scott: Great, let's just

wrap it up there then.

496

00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:08,898

Say Happy New Year, we're looking

if anybody has specific topics that

497

00:29:08,898 --> 00:29:10,438

they would like to cover on this.

498

00:29:10,438 --> 00:29:16,768

We are learning as we go and we're

excited to meet as many people as we can.

499

00:29:17,068 --> 00:29:22,428

So I hope to meet many of you in

person somewhere along the way in 2024.

500

00:29:24,338 --> 00:29:29,708

, Tali: if there's any interest in having

a live Q and a session, , for those

501

00:29:29,708 --> 00:29:34,588

of you who are new to homeschooling or

encountering some specific challenges,

502

00:29:34,738 --> 00:29:38,528

homeschooling your kids, and you'd

like to pick our brain, let us know.

503

00:29:38,678 --> 00:29:41,358

And if there's enough interest,

we'll set up a regular time.

504

00:29:42,438 --> 00:29:45,388

Scott: Why don't you make it

a, we could think about it as a

505

00:29:45,398 --> 00:29:48,778

panel almost, like the, at TabConf

506

00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:50,028

Tali: we can, but that's

not what I'm talking about.

507

00:29:50,118 --> 00:29:56,403

I'm talking about Just people having

access to us to ask questions because

508

00:29:56,413 --> 00:30:01,573

they listen to our podcast and they would

like our opinion, not a topic specific

509

00:30:01,623 --> 00:30:06,693

panel thing because if they have an issue

and they just have a question, we can

510

00:30:06,693 --> 00:30:11,393

either invite them to, to send us a, um,

511

00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:12,323

Scott: We can do a live

512

00:30:12,423 --> 00:30:13,833

Tali: us a, yeah, exactly.

513

00:30:13,833 --> 00:30:17,583

If we did a live stream on YouTube,

like YouTube live, we can record it

514

00:30:18,003 --> 00:30:21,938

Scott: well, I mean, look at

what, look at what, What Matt and

515

00:30:21,938 --> 00:30:23,378

Marty do with Rabbit Hole Recap.

516

00:30:24,048 --> 00:30:27,498

, You can record that and listen

to it later, like I usually will

517

00:30:27,498 --> 00:30:28,548

just because of the schedule.

518

00:30:28,548 --> 00:30:31,218

There are many people though,

who log in live and if they

519

00:30:31,218 --> 00:30:32,328

have questions, they just ask..

520

00:30:33,932 --> 00:30:34,292

the pre

521

00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:35,907

Tali: they do, um, YouTube live.

522

00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:39,717

Scott: Yeah, but they also are doing, it's

Nostra, I forget the name of it now, but

523

00:30:39,717 --> 00:30:46,247

they're, they're doing, there's a, there's

a Nostra nest and you could do both.

524

00:30:46,517 --> 00:30:50,727

So if, if you, if there's a pre coiner who

hears about us, they're interested in it,

525

00:30:50,737 --> 00:30:52,657

but they don't have the same background.

526

00:30:53,207 --> 00:30:56,147

They're not going to know what

a Nostra nest is, but it's a

527

00:30:56,147 --> 00:30:57,627

Bitcoiner who hears about us.

528

00:30:58,177 --> 00:30:58,477

Great.

529

00:30:58,507 --> 00:31:01,877

So you set up both and, and just.

530

00:31:02,232 --> 00:31:06,002

You make it available, this, this goes

exactly back to our point earlier is,

531

00:31:06,542 --> 00:31:12,272

we have to put ourselves in the shoes

of those who we're trying to reach and

532

00:31:12,692 --> 00:31:16,342

what are the ways that they would be

able to, to access and then we, we make

533

00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:17,782

ourselves available through those means.

534

00:31:20,562 --> 00:31:23,932

Tali: Yeah, so if there's any

interest in that send us an email

535

00:31:25,052 --> 00:31:27,812

Scott: Is there any, anybody out

there, anybody who's technically

536

00:31:27,812 --> 00:31:31,247

competent enough to help us set some

of that stuff up that we need to, you

537

00:31:31,282 --> 00:31:32,562

Tali: YouTube live I already

know how to set it up

538

00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:34,622

Scott: do you, you

know, I do a Nos or Nest

539

00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:36,222

Tali: that I don't know.

540

00:31:36,222 --> 00:31:38,602

And I don't know if he can

record it and host it anywhere.

541

00:31:38,902 --> 00:31:39,412

Scott: Well, you,

542

00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:45,012

Tali: If there's any interest, if you have

any interest in regular office hour or

543

00:31:45,052 --> 00:31:51,872

just regular Q and a session, DMS ads,

free market kids on Twitter, or what are

544

00:31:51,872 --> 00:31:53,142

other handles that you want to share?

545

00:31:53,644 --> 00:31:58,931

Scott: other people

seeing on social media?

546

00:31:58,931 --> 00:32:07,743

Yeah, if you're a woman

listening to this, and you

547

00:32:07,743 --> 00:32:08,625

specifically

548

00:32:08,687 --> 00:32:11,817

Tali: if you're, if you're a

woman listening to this and you

549

00:32:11,817 --> 00:32:16,227

specifically want to talk to me

about Orange Hatter, you can check

550

00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:17,547

out the website, orangehatter.

551

00:32:17,547 --> 00:32:22,087

com or you can email me

directly, tolly at orangehatter.

552

00:32:22,097 --> 00:32:25,117

com or you can reach me at

tolly at freemarketkids.

553

00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:25,987

com as well.

554

00:32:26,702 --> 00:32:27,132

Scott: Yeah.

555

00:32:28,042 --> 00:32:28,642

It's gonna be great.

556

00:32:28,672 --> 00:32:32,682

24 is gonna be, you have the

halving, the ETFs, the election.

557

00:32:33,372 --> 00:32:35,672

It's gonna be crazy.

558

00:32:36,062 --> 00:32:37,122

Crazy year.

559

00:32:37,762 --> 00:32:38,842

It's gonna be a very exciting time.

560

00:32:38,962 --> 00:32:40,922

So, Happy New Year everybody.

561

00:32:42,342 --> 00:32:43,532

Can't wait to see you in person.

562

00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:44,172

Take care.

563

00:32:44,437 --> 00:32:45,807

Tali: See you next year.

564

00:32:46,377 --> 00:32:46,877

Bye.

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